@SpanishBogatyr I was rather referring to the Marxist-Lenninist view of communism, or the Maoist one, and I believe that is what he is referring to in the video.
@pumpybeanis Actually no in India there where not that many killed. and it was committed by British imperialism under the Monarch. Not exactly out of pure capitalism. Nothing like Joseph Stalin purposely starving 10 million Ukrainians to death, or Pol Pot having everyone tortured who clashed with the revolution.
@Nuclearwarhead357 applying the "black book" methodology of attributing deaths to a political ideology as you have with "communism", there were over 100 million deaths in india from 1947 to 1979, with tens of millions more since, all because of the "democratic capitalist experiment". if we apply that methodology to russia there have been millions of more deaths there since the collapse of communism. i don't think the dead care much which political system they were starved to death under.
@pumpybeanis Can you please give me your source that attributes the deaths of tens of millions in India due to "extreme capitalism". and shows how credible your thoughts are against democracy, wanting some power to take over and have complete control over people's lives. Like you know what is good for humanity.
@Nuclearwarhead357 read "counting the bodies" by noam chomsky and "on measuring 'famine' deaths" by utsa patnaik. if you want to debate over which ideology is superior then you might not want to use body counts to do it, as capitalism has produced its own mountain of skeletons
@pumpybeanis While capitalist governments may have made moves that resulted in deaths. The economic system itself provides more for humanity, communism only results in death and killings. Capitalism may not have worked but it is far better the communism would have been in India. Look what happened in China they decided to attempt communism and nearly 70 million people lost their lives as a result.
@Nuclearwarhead357 sorry i don't think an ideology that has murdered and starved billions to death and which employs slave labor to prop itself up worldwide "provides more for humanity" than another.
@pumpybeanis You want to talk about slave labor? Democratic Kampuchea everyone was forced to be agrarian slaves out in farms run by the Khmer Rouge. Communism has starved far more people to death then capitalism ever has. There is a reason why communist governments have had many famines.
@Nuclearwarhead357 Communism is an ideology, a thought on how an society could work, men like Stalin that made everyone think that communism in itself was the wrong doer. Capitalism is also a thought on how a society could work and it has killed its fair share of people as well, the difference is that the leaders that said they were communists ordered people to be killed while capitalism kills people by making the take suicide instead.
@Nertip Yes, neither system is perfect but capitalism is much more fair, and can set up a non-oppressive, non-famine stricken society. Saying that it drove people to suicide? That was their choice the people murdered by Stalin and Mao had no choice.
@RunAwayFromDangerBoy Furthermore, capitalism cannot ever be truly fair. What do you mean by fair? It's basically the law of the jungle. We compete and those who are more able will thrive, power can be accumulated by individuals and consequently they will impose their will on others. How can you justify, that after 10 thousand years of civilization, we still compete for survival? If you support this crap, we might just as well climb back on the trees.
@RunAwayFromDangerBoy Freedom of markets is strongly positively correlated with standard of living and wealth, though the risk of income inequality is a prudent one, the entire society is by far more well off when you are given the freedom trade freely, you inadvertently fulfill the needs of others when you look out for your own. Look at America from 1850 - 1900, what a boom, that's what true capitalism can do, not this pseudo, Keynesian fascistic crap we have now..
@Nuclearwarhead357 Talk about people being murdered. What about a million people dead in Vietnam? Where the US supposedly waged war against communism. Who gave them a choice?
@RunAwayFromDangerBoy Vietnam was in the middle of a war. It is not the collective policies that resulted in those deaths. In USSR and PRC it was. Furthermore I was referring to a true capitalist society with actual freedom, which Vietnam did not have much of due to US occupation. However what about the nations occupied by Stalin after WW2? What about the invasion of Tibet by the PRC? Those people did not have a choice either.
@InsanePalmNinja "wherever skateboards are broken or menaced by the church, Satan is ready, ready to smash the christians, wipe them up and chop them off the face of the earth. KILL, MAIM, BURN. KILL, MAIM, BURN."
Communism is rasing again... now we can inform for ourselves, so we know how they trick us with their disgusting "freedom" ... freedom to being robbed by capitalist pigs of course.. i will resing a part of my freedom to get more social peace... to be non materialistic and more spiritual... now we know what we are capable of.
@sicoticosandro capitalism is freedom. freedom for the corporations to tell you that you need things that you dont. Freedom for you to have the capacity to say that you do not want those things. Capitalism is the natural order of things. You cannot have effective socialism without complete state control, which is also known as facism. We live in a time when it is more possible than ever for the working classes to make something of themselves.
@austen85 yeah.. the natural order of animals, but we are humans and we are capable of more things than just compete and kill our rivals... we can organize and share...
@sicoticosandro Actually, competition is probably the main driving force behind human progression. But, that aside, i think you have missed my point. In the U.K, you have a 20% tax rate for the average person. That 20% pays for schools, hospitals, policing and government. It also finances a benefit system which supports those who are cant find work or are unable. You do have to pay for university, but this is also loaned from the tax payers money, to be payed back if and when you are able.
This wonderful benefit system, which expects 'from each according to their ability, and to each according to their needs' is all bank rolled by filthy capitalist cash. It keeps families off the street, peforms life saving operations every day, houses people incapable of looking after themselves. It evens gives mone to people who show absolutley no intention of ever putting money back into the system.
as if this wasnt enough, it even sends money outside the state, to less fortunate countries. And the filthy corperations that bankroll all this, with their no doubt ill gotten grubby dollars provid you with sites like youtube. with wich you can express yourself anyway you like, no matter what your political bias without fear of retribution. And facebook with which you can network and organise socialist rallys. Now have a look at all the socialist/communist states that have ever existed.
Really? In any monetary-based economy, you are a wage slave? You go work primarily to donate money to the state and provide in necessities for your own survival, such as food. Whatever you have left, you can enjoy.
That's wage slavery, you'd be surprised how many people go work a lousy job for 50 years just to hope they have some retirement money and some time left at the end to do what they really want for a few more years.
Wage slaves get threatened by starving to death or freezing on the street. Physical slavery requires the masters to house and feed their slaves, so they need a threat also, physical violence. In wage slavery, the slaves are required to house and feed themselves. Wage slaves keep themselves in line.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH The reason slaves didn't get up and escape from their slave masters isn't because they thought they would be worse off. They didn't escape because they'd be fucking shot. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Taking money from someone through physical violence is slavery since you're taking someone's labour against their will. For example, let's say I work a few hours (voluntarily of course) to get enough money to purchase a television. If someone takes that television from me against my will, I have wasted my time and have been forced to work for that thief against my will. That's slavery, not voluntary interactions.
I never volunteered to be either ruled by a government or be part of a debt-based monetary economy. I must have missed the day I got to put an x in front of that option.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH You're only forced to be part of that because the government forces you to use their currency. In a libertarian society there can be competing currencies. You can even start a socialist commune (as long as people enter it voluntarily and you don't enforce your anti property right beliefs on others outside it) although the commune would fail since anarcho socialism is retarded.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I definitely agree that the government is doing evil and uses physical violence for it's own ends, but that's not free market capitalism. Free market capitalism is a economic idea where businesses can't use the state to fund them (at the expense of the tax payer, or those who suffer the effects of inflation of course). Free market capitalism involves businesses having to compete and giving the consumer what they want in order to make profit. It's freedom from fraud and force.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH My problem with libertarian socialism is that it seems to be anti-property rights and based on making people submit to a central plan. While free market libertarianism at the centre of society would allow people to try out ideologies (as long as people enter them voluntarily out of their own will) libertarian socialism at the centre of society would make that quite hard.
In anarcho-communism you have no property. In libertarian socialism, you still have property, as I understand it, just not means of production.
You know damn well that no none-monetary based system can move along in an economy based an anarcho-capitalism. Furthermore, my main problem with capitalism, one which no one seems to want to address to me, is the following: If capitalism demands economic growth, how does it account for the fact that we have limited resources?
Also, how are capitalists going to work on things that don't turn a substantial profit compared to flawed alternatives, like say geothermal power? I like to compare this to Henry Ford first Model T. He had to redesign it, because he had made it to good, it didn't turn a substantial enough profit. Capitalists need their products to be far from perfect, so that they can make a profit of them. That is why we keep drilling for oil, even though better options are available.
What central plan in libertarian socialism? You can still innovate, or choose to do nothing if you like. You just can't chase after nothing but profit at the costs of others.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "You just can't chase after nothing but profit at the costs of others"
Now this is where we have a strong disagreement. You say that a person profits at the costs of others. That is true when force is involved, but when there is mutual consent, both parties profit in an exchange of goods/services. The subjective theory of value is something I recommend you look up :)
I will look that up because I hadn't looked at it that way.
The main difference to me is in anarcho-capitalism I still have to work to survive. In libertarian-socialism I can work because my profession is my passion or I can choose not to work. Some people simply aren't cut out for work. Those people die in anarcho-capitalism. They live in libertarian socialism.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I don't think people not cut out for work would die under anarcho capitalism. While individualism is a key part of "human nature" as they say, people like to help others since it makes them feel nice and fuzzy inside. Plus the fact that we're in a democracy proves that the majority of people want to help the poor, since there's a welfare state etc. Under anarcho capitalism, people would just voluntarily help the poor (although someone couldn't be forced to help the poor).
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH A but if a person chooses to do nothing under libertarian socialism but is still entitled to being taken care of, someone else is forced to give them their labour (and by forced I mean under the threat of offensive coercion, that's the only way a central plan can work).
There would be no people working a factory job for other people because all of this would be automated. Only professions that really require an incentive other than money, like engineering, science, etc. are still human affairs.
Why fight automation, it's not going away. At least that's what libertarian socialists I've met told me.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Oh I certainly don't have a problem with automation XD. I mean we could have 100 % employment tomorrow if we got rid of automation, people could scratch at dirt on farms but we all don't want that of course lol
People would just be retrained for more machine running work instead, or capital would be allocated towards other sectors of the economy.
We seem to agree on that, that it is pointless to keep having people do menial tasks that a machine can do better, just for the sake of them doing it.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH There is one problem with a free economy though. Throughout history, the most free economies have always resulted in a larger state, since the increased productivity which economic freedoms provide feed the power of the state. The Roman Empire, British Empire and the current US empire all had the freest economies in the world at one point, which eventually increased the power of the state, which then destroyed the economic freedoms that fed them, and then they collapsed.
That is TOTAL nonsense. All of the failures of the United States have come about due to misguided restrictions of economic freedom. Look at the late 1800s. When the government subsidized railroads, the railroad companies that WERE subsidized were utterly terrible and hiked prices because they could, because the government was largely paying for it anyway. Whereas, the unsubsidized "free" railroad companies flourished. Also, the 2008 crisis was due to artificial low interest
@TheBoomstickhero The crisis could have been avoided should the state intercede. I am not talking about communism, but the government's hand here and there subtly spares us from such moments of crisis.
This laissez-faire in the end is a cycle. The government interference in economy starts decreasing until it reaches minimal interference, then we have a crisis created by speculation and then we have the government interceding to save the country. After that, it starts all over again.
@TheBoomstickhero "Look at the late 1800s. When the government subsidized railroads, the railroad companies that WERE subsidized were utterly terrible and hiked prices because they could, because the government was largely paying for it anyway. Whereas, the unsubsidized "free" railroad companies flourished. Also, the 2008 crisis was due to artificial low interest"
Well, at least i learned something. I've had debates on serious video's that didn't teach me one fifth of a flying f. I will look into that subjective value-stuff.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH You say that someone can't profit at the "costs" of others. I assume you are referring to the socialist idea that the capitalist steals the "surplus labour" from the worker. What is being missed out on however is the fact that the capitalist provides capital for the worker to work with in return for a percentage of their labour (which both parties agree to in a contract - a document which is evidence of consent).
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I also have a strong disagreement about abolishing private ownership of capital (the means of production). A lot of people call capitalists lazy etc, but their labour involves intellectual and planning.
I wouldn't call capitalists lazy and I've never heard an intelligent libertarian socialist or anarcho-communist or any other idealist make such a low claim. Unfair, yes, I've heard that, but lazy, no.
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Remember that there's a difference between negative rights and positive rights. Negative rights are rights which say that you can do something without interference and physical force from others. Positive rights however are rights which state that a person is entitled to someone else's labour, even without consent (which is slavery of course).
lol i loooove how all the pro-communist comments come from people who have never lived in a communist country with no freedom of speech and under the constant threat of the government. try and live in Cuba for 5 years, as soon as you voice your opinion and disagree with something government-related it's PRISON for you. good times eh?
@Spazerrific Personally, I believe in a Socialist Government, but only in a small group of about 20 people living in a community. It's a bad move for an ENTIRE nation to be Communist or Socialist. That's where the USSR went wrong.
@DrFrohman agreed, it's been done since the beginning of mankind and it has worked out for thousands of native tribes across the globe but as you said, it only seems to work in that type of setting :)
Professor R.J. Rummel (University of Hawai'i) documents that totalitarian/communist governments (e.g., USSR, PRC, PRNK) have been responsible for considerably more unwarranted human deaths ("democides") than politically and economically free republics (like the U.S.) or democracies. hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
I much prefer the woody sort...
xxOakleyrulesxx 2 days ago
What a tinny argument on this video.....
xxOakleyrulesxx 2 days ago
Well, what do you have to say about RBE? Also evil? Will cause famine and whatnot?
And freaking stop it with Stalin, that's all you have to say in defense of capitalism. "Oh yeah? Well what about Stalin and Mao!?"
RunAwayFromDangerBoy 5 days ago
meanwhile at FOX news...
thatkindofguy234 1 week ago
Glenn Beck
SocialistChristian 2 weeks ago
Just like FOX news! :D
thatkindofguy234 1 month ago 26
It's funny cause it (was) true
Errtuabyss 1 month ago in playlist Weitere Videos von GooberPhish
This is exactly how I feel about communism.
Nuclearwarhead357 2 months ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 Sorry, no tea for you though.
dialecticsofterror 2 months ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 You talk about communism like if it ever existed.... xDDDD
SpanishBogatyr 2 months ago
@SpanishBogatyr I was rather referring to the Marxist-Lenninist view of communism, or the Maoist one, and I believe that is what he is referring to in the video.
Nuclearwarhead357 1 month ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 are you a red faced screaming child as well?
pumpybeanis 3 weeks ago
@pumpybeanis No, I just hate an ideology responsible for the deaths of 100 million people.
Nuclearwarhead357 3 weeks ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 democracy and capitalism has killed at least that many just in india, try again
pumpybeanis 2 weeks ago
@pumpybeanis Actually no in India there where not that many killed. and it was committed by British imperialism under the Monarch. Not exactly out of pure capitalism. Nothing like Joseph Stalin purposely starving 10 million Ukrainians to death, or Pol Pot having everyone tortured who clashed with the revolution.
Nuclearwarhead357 2 weeks ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 applying the "black book" methodology of attributing deaths to a political ideology as you have with "communism", there were over 100 million deaths in india from 1947 to 1979, with tens of millions more since, all because of the "democratic capitalist experiment". if we apply that methodology to russia there have been millions of more deaths there since the collapse of communism. i don't think the dead care much which political system they were starved to death under.
pumpybeanis 2 weeks ago
@pumpybeanis wow look at this moron caring about stuff on the internet. u mad? lol
sympathy3k21 2 weeks ago
@sympathy3k21 lol
pumpybeanis 2 weeks ago
@pumpybeanis Can you please give me your source that attributes the deaths of tens of millions in India due to "extreme capitalism". and shows how credible your thoughts are against democracy, wanting some power to take over and have complete control over people's lives. Like you know what is good for humanity.
Nuclearwarhead357 2 weeks ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 read "counting the bodies" by noam chomsky and "on measuring 'famine' deaths" by utsa patnaik. if you want to debate over which ideology is superior then you might not want to use body counts to do it, as capitalism has produced its own mountain of skeletons
pumpybeanis 2 weeks ago
@pumpybeanis While capitalist governments may have made moves that resulted in deaths. The economic system itself provides more for humanity, communism only results in death and killings. Capitalism may not have worked but it is far better the communism would have been in India. Look what happened in China they decided to attempt communism and nearly 70 million people lost their lives as a result.
Nuclearwarhead357 2 weeks ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 sorry i don't think an ideology that has murdered and starved billions to death and which employs slave labor to prop itself up worldwide "provides more for humanity" than another.
pumpybeanis 2 weeks ago
@pumpybeanis You want to talk about slave labor? Democratic Kampuchea everyone was forced to be agrarian slaves out in farms run by the Khmer Rouge. Communism has starved far more people to death then capitalism ever has. There is a reason why communist governments have had many famines.
Nuclearwarhead357 2 weeks ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 Communism is an ideology, a thought on how an society could work, men like Stalin that made everyone think that communism in itself was the wrong doer. Capitalism is also a thought on how a society could work and it has killed its fair share of people as well, the difference is that the leaders that said they were communists ordered people to be killed while capitalism kills people by making the take suicide instead.
Nertip 1 week ago
@Nertip Yes, neither system is perfect but capitalism is much more fair, and can set up a non-oppressive, non-famine stricken society. Saying that it drove people to suicide? That was their choice the people murdered by Stalin and Mao had no choice.
Nuclearwarhead357 1 week ago
Look, Stalin and Mao and by extension all other dictators were bleeding idiots. What they were doing wasn't communism but dictatorship.
RunAwayFromDangerBoy 6 days ago
@RunAwayFromDangerBoy Furthermore, capitalism cannot ever be truly fair. What do you mean by fair? It's basically the law of the jungle. We compete and those who are more able will thrive, power can be accumulated by individuals and consequently they will impose their will on others. How can you justify, that after 10 thousand years of civilization, we still compete for survival? If you support this crap, we might just as well climb back on the trees.
RunAwayFromDangerBoy 6 days ago
@RunAwayFromDangerBoy Freedom of markets is strongly positively correlated with standard of living and wealth, though the risk of income inequality is a prudent one, the entire society is by far more well off when you are given the freedom trade freely, you inadvertently fulfill the needs of others when you look out for your own. Look at America from 1850 - 1900, what a boom, that's what true capitalism can do, not this pseudo, Keynesian fascistic crap we have now..
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 5 days ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 Talk about people being murdered. What about a million people dead in Vietnam? Where the US supposedly waged war against communism. Who gave them a choice?
RunAwayFromDangerBoy 6 days ago
@RunAwayFromDangerBoy Vietnam was in the middle of a war. It is not the collective policies that resulted in those deaths. In USSR and PRC it was. Furthermore I was referring to a true capitalist society with actual freedom, which Vietnam did not have much of due to US occupation. However what about the nations occupied by Stalin after WW2? What about the invasion of Tibet by the PRC? Those people did not have a choice either.
Nuclearwarhead357 6 days ago
@pumpybeanis "lol read this book nerd" *doesn't produce any real arguments* wow now i'm totally convinced thanks
sympathy3k21 2 weeks ago
That was remarkably unfunny.
yington 2 months ago
This is me when talking about satanism.
InsanePalmNinja 3 months ago
@InsanePalmNinja "wherever skateboards are broken or menaced by the church, Satan is ready, ready to smash the christians, wipe them up and chop them off the face of the earth. KILL, MAIM, BURN. KILL, MAIM, BURN."
EfectoMugreee 3 months ago
Sounds like me every time I go off on a rant about Communists.
SuburbanShinobi8000 3 months ago
- AAAAAAAAAAARGHHH!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHH!
- Tea´s ready
- Coming dear!
PishTosh83 3 months ago 19
@PishTosh83 random knight walks by
siskavard 2 months ago
@PishTosh83 you ruined the punchline for me. Why do people do these evil things? You sick, sick, bastard.
andymci2 2 weeks ago
same opininion John.
MultiEvule 3 months ago
The starting scene reminds me too much of a biking trail I went on once near Changi. XD
AnarchisThinker 4 months ago
Funny how the "C" word brings everyone out in a rash... and on a Monty Python sketch of all things lol
othyization 4 months ago
@othyization
No video, not even Monty Python, is safe from political/religious/racial debate.
shoplifting1is1fun 3 months ago
@shoplifting1is1fun What is't salf from political/religious/racial debates?
InsanePalmNinja 3 months ago
Nobody does comedic rage like John Cleese xD
Afterthebattle 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Bill O'Reilly on any given Saturday afternoon?
TheAwakenedHeretic 4 months ago
Reminds me a bit of myself.
CallOfDoughnuts 4 months ago
First thing I thought of when I saw that crushed girl video from China.
Sizednochi 4 months ago
John Cleese is my favorite of all the Python members
beatlemaniac1966 4 months ago 52
@beatlemaniac1966 John Cleese and Eric idle are my favorites.
TheAndrewlawlrence 2 months ago
@TheAndrewlawlrence Eric's great too, they all are
beatlemaniac1966 2 months ago
that is what happends to capitalists with commie neihbours
1945Sovietunion 4 months ago
JC's legs seem to have a mind of there own.
movement26 4 months ago
I noticed everybody loves communists today
kubek 4 months ago
I'm glad this hasn't turned into a full-fledged political discussion, just a couple extremists spouting their garbage.
Love Cleese when he starts screaming xD
theinfectiondrummer 4 months ago 3
I heard one person tell me once "socialists have no sense of humour" I beg to differ :D
ComradeFolski 5 months ago
I use this video to answer the question, "were do you see yourself in the next 30 years?"
edwinfox13 5 months ago
CAPITALIST PIGS. They all deserve to die a slow, painful death. Dislike.
Sunrisemo0n 5 months ago
@Sunrisemo0n agreed but the video was a little funny because he overreacted so hard xD
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i like this video, because i have similar feelings about communism.
IrishMinja 5 months ago
Oh please everyone knows Communism isn't the real problem now a days...
It's Socialism. Communism fails all on it's own without opposition, but Socialism first needs to destroy a society before it naturally fails.
vjm3 5 months ago
@vjm3 They're basically the same thing except in socialism, private property is allowed while in communism, the government owns all property.
Sunrisemo0n 5 months ago
@Sunrisemo0n:
>Socialism
>Private property
vjm3 5 months ago
Communists are evil and should be killed.
democratos89 5 months ago
@democratos89 likewise u democratic wanker
Radioactive897 5 months ago
Unbelievable.
RunAwayFromDangerBoy 5 days ago
This is how I imagine americans in the 50s acted
Dontmakemecomeover5 5 months ago
@Dontmakemecomeover5 This is how I KNOW Americans in the NOW act.
Wraithldr13 5 months ago
@Wraithldr13 I don't act like this. :/
4104jake 5 months ago
Meanwhile, at Fox News..
KingBlue 5 months ago 110
@KingBlue you brute! you've just summed it up better than i could. ( assuming what i've heard about "fox" is right - i've never actually seen it ! )
russinhouse 5 months ago
@KingBlue and CNN !
thatkindofguy234 3 months ago
@thatkindofguy234 and msnbc
DungeonPioneer 2 months ago
Commie fairy faggots.
romanpr1nce 5 months ago
@romanpr1nce
Troll harder
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 5 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH What the fuck are you talking about trolling. It's a line from Cleese in the same episode retard.
romanpr1nce 5 months ago
Well this is more a sketch about it is funny that peole get themselves in to such states over people with different views xD
DSQueenie 6 months ago
@DSQueenie Exactly! XD
The people commenting this video arguing with one another are perfect examples!
CasperKupo 6 months ago
kinda reminds me of the current Greek television.
BTW I ain't a teenager and i ain't privileged.
Stop fooling yourselves
touaregk 6 months ago
Communism is rasing again... now we can inform for ourselves, so we know how they trick us with their disgusting "freedom" ... freedom to being robbed by capitalist pigs of course.. i will resing a part of my freedom to get more social peace... to be non materialistic and more spiritual... now we know what we are capable of.
sicoticosandro 6 months ago
@sicoticosandro capitalism is freedom. freedom for the corporations to tell you that you need things that you dont. Freedom for you to have the capacity to say that you do not want those things. Capitalism is the natural order of things. You cannot have effective socialism without complete state control, which is also known as facism. We live in a time when it is more possible than ever for the working classes to make something of themselves.
austen85 6 months ago
@austen85 yeah.. the natural order of animals, but we are humans and we are capable of more things than just compete and kill our rivals... we can organize and share...
sicoticosandro 6 months ago
@sicoticosandro Actually, competition is probably the main driving force behind human progression. But, that aside, i think you have missed my point. In the U.K, you have a 20% tax rate for the average person. That 20% pays for schools, hospitals, policing and government. It also finances a benefit system which supports those who are cant find work or are unable. You do have to pay for university, but this is also loaned from the tax payers money, to be payed back if and when you are able.
austen85 6 months ago
@austen85 why you tell me that about the UK?? i don't understand... :S
sicoticosandro 6 months ago
This wonderful benefit system, which expects 'from each according to their ability, and to each according to their needs' is all bank rolled by filthy capitalist cash. It keeps families off the street, peforms life saving operations every day, houses people incapable of looking after themselves. It evens gives mone to people who show absolutley no intention of ever putting money back into the system.
austen85 6 months ago
as if this wasnt enough, it even sends money outside the state, to less fortunate countries. And the filthy corperations that bankroll all this, with their no doubt ill gotten grubby dollars provid you with sites like youtube. with wich you can express yourself anyway you like, no matter what your political bias without fear of retribution. And facebook with which you can network and organise socialist rallys. Now have a look at all the socialist/communist states that have ever existed.
austen85 6 months ago
And explain to me, what you prefer so much about that way of life.
austen85 6 months ago
@austen85
You forgot 'free market capitalism is the freedom to be a wage slave'.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH How do you describe a worker in a socialist state? Food stamp slave? Go have a look in your big book of cliches
austen85 4 months ago
@austen85
Really? In any monetary-based economy, you are a wage slave? You go work primarily to donate money to the state and provide in necessities for your own survival, such as food. Whatever you have left, you can enjoy.
That's wage slavery, you'd be surprised how many people go work a lousy job for 50 years just to hope they have some retirement money and some time left at the end to do what they really want for a few more years.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I don't understand your point. Could you clarify? Have you misplaced question marks?
austen85 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Slaves are forced to work with the threat of physical violence. Wage "slaves" don't get threatened with violence from their bosses.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
Wage slaves get threatened by starving to death or freezing on the street. Physical slavery requires the masters to house and feed their slaves, so they need a threat also, physical violence. In wage slavery, the slaves are required to house and feed themselves. Wage slaves keep themselves in line.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH The reason slaves didn't get up and escape from their slave masters isn't because they thought they would be worse off. They didn't escape because they'd be fucking shot. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Taking money from someone through physical violence is slavery since you're taking someone's labour against their will. For example, let's say I work a few hours (voluntarily of course) to get enough money to purchase a television. If someone takes that television from me against my will, I have wasted my time and have been forced to work for that thief against my will. That's slavery, not voluntary interactions.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
"That's slavery, not voluntary interactions."
I never volunteered to be either ruled by a government or be part of a debt-based monetary economy. I must have missed the day I got to put an x in front of that option.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH You're only forced to be part of that because the government forces you to use their currency. In a libertarian society there can be competing currencies. You can even start a socialist commune (as long as people enter it voluntarily and you don't enforce your anti property right beliefs on others outside it) although the commune would fail since anarcho socialism is retarded.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
So you agree that the government forces us to be part of their grand scheme?
What's your problem with libertarian socialism? Why would it fail?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I definitely agree that the government is doing evil and uses physical violence for it's own ends, but that's not free market capitalism. Free market capitalism is a economic idea where businesses can't use the state to fund them (at the expense of the tax payer, or those who suffer the effects of inflation of course). Free market capitalism involves businesses having to compete and giving the consumer what they want in order to make profit. It's freedom from fraud and force.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH My problem with libertarian socialism is that it seems to be anti-property rights and based on making people submit to a central plan. While free market libertarianism at the centre of society would allow people to try out ideologies (as long as people enter them voluntarily out of their own will) libertarian socialism at the centre of society would make that quite hard.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
In anarcho-communism you have no property. In libertarian socialism, you still have property, as I understand it, just not means of production.
You know damn well that no none-monetary based system can move along in an economy based an anarcho-capitalism. Furthermore, my main problem with capitalism, one which no one seems to want to address to me, is the following: If capitalism demands economic growth, how does it account for the fact that we have limited resources?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Explain how a free market economy wouldn't work.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
I ask you how would it work: If capitalism demands economic growth, how does it account for the fact that we have limited resources?
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
Also, how are capitalists going to work on things that don't turn a substantial profit compared to flawed alternatives, like say geothermal power? I like to compare this to Henry Ford first Model T. He had to redesign it, because he had made it to good, it didn't turn a substantial enough profit. Capitalists need their products to be far from perfect, so that they can make a profit of them. That is why we keep drilling for oil, even though better options are available.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
What central plan in libertarian socialism? You can still innovate, or choose to do nothing if you like. You just can't chase after nothing but profit at the costs of others.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH "You just can't chase after nothing but profit at the costs of others"
Now this is where we have a strong disagreement. You say that a person profits at the costs of others. That is true when force is involved, but when there is mutual consent, both parties profit in an exchange of goods/services. The subjective theory of value is something I recommend you look up :)
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
I will look that up because I hadn't looked at it that way.
The main difference to me is in anarcho-capitalism I still have to work to survive. In libertarian-socialism I can work because my profession is my passion or I can choose not to work. Some people simply aren't cut out for work. Those people die in anarcho-capitalism. They live in libertarian socialism.
Actually, libertarian socialists advocate automation.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I don't think people not cut out for work would die under anarcho capitalism. While individualism is a key part of "human nature" as they say, people like to help others since it makes them feel nice and fuzzy inside. Plus the fact that we're in a democracy proves that the majority of people want to help the poor, since there's a welfare state etc. Under anarcho capitalism, people would just voluntarily help the poor (although someone couldn't be forced to help the poor).
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH A but if a person chooses to do nothing under libertarian socialism but is still entitled to being taken care of, someone else is forced to give them their labour (and by forced I mean under the threat of offensive coercion, that's the only way a central plan can work).
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
There would be no people working a factory job for other people because all of this would be automated. Only professions that really require an incentive other than money, like engineering, science, etc. are still human affairs.
Why fight automation, it's not going away. At least that's what libertarian socialists I've met told me.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Oh I certainly don't have a problem with automation XD. I mean we could have 100 % employment tomorrow if we got rid of automation, people could scratch at dirt on farms but we all don't want that of course lol
People would just be retrained for more machine running work instead, or capital would be allocated towards other sectors of the economy.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
We seem to agree on that, that it is pointless to keep having people do menial tasks that a machine can do better, just for the sake of them doing it.
I also agree on human nature with you.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH There is one problem with a free economy though. Throughout history, the most free economies have always resulted in a larger state, since the increased productivity which economic freedoms provide feed the power of the state. The Roman Empire, British Empire and the current US empire all had the freest economies in the world at one point, which eventually increased the power of the state, which then destroyed the economic freedoms that fed them, and then they collapsed.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
That is TOTAL nonsense. All of the failures of the United States have come about due to misguided restrictions of economic freedom. Look at the late 1800s. When the government subsidized railroads, the railroad companies that WERE subsidized were utterly terrible and hiked prices because they could, because the government was largely paying for it anyway. Whereas, the unsubsidized "free" railroad companies flourished. Also, the 2008 crisis was due to artificial low interest
TheBoomstickhero 4 months ago
@TheBoomstickhero Umm...I'm agreeing with you lol
I think my username should give away that I'm a libertarian. What made you think I was criticizing free market capitalism?
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@TheBoomstickhero The crisis could have been avoided should the state intercede. I am not talking about communism, but the government's hand here and there subtly spares us from such moments of crisis.
This laissez-faire in the end is a cycle. The government interference in economy starts decreasing until it reaches minimal interference, then we have a crisis created by speculation and then we have the government interceding to save the country. After that, it starts all over again.
PatentApplied 3 months ago 2
@TheBoomstickhero "Look at the late 1800s. When the government subsidized railroads, the railroad companies that WERE subsidized were utterly terrible and hiked prices because they could, because the government was largely paying for it anyway. Whereas, the unsubsidized "free" railroad companies flourished. Also, the 2008 crisis was due to artificial low interest"
Good one.
Lukege15 3 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Well, the US empire hasn't collapsed yet, but it's pretty damn close.
That's not so much a problem with economic freedoms though, but rather statism.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Oh god we're having a huge philosophical discussion on a Monty Python video XD
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
Well, at least i learned something. I've had debates on serious video's that didn't teach me one fifth of a flying f. I will look into that subjective value-stuff.
I agree with you on statism as well.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH You say that someone can't profit at the "costs" of others. I assume you are referring to the socialist idea that the capitalist steals the "surplus labour" from the worker. What is being missed out on however is the fact that the capitalist provides capital for the worker to work with in return for a percentage of their labour (which both parties agree to in a contract - a document which is evidence of consent).
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH So again, both parties profit.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH I also have a strong disagreement about abolishing private ownership of capital (the means of production). A lot of people call capitalists lazy etc, but their labour involves intellectual and planning.
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist
I wouldn't call capitalists lazy and I've never heard an intelligent libertarian socialist or anarcho-communist or any other idealist make such a low claim. Unfair, yes, I've heard that, but lazy, no.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 4 months ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH Remember that there's a difference between negative rights and positive rights. Negative rights are rights which say that you can do something without interference and physical force from others. Positive rights however are rights which state that a person is entitled to someone else's labour, even without consent (which is slavery of course).
DoctorCapitalist 4 months ago
Glen Beck's dad
fistfulofknowledge 6 months ago 12
@toughguynumberone uuuhh, no.
Treblaine 6 months ago
@toughguynumberone How come it's funny when communists are being ranted at then? Are a anti-communist!?
MrIhatesafetymode 6 months ago
And of course, there goes the knight with the rubber chicken, doin' his pimpin' job....
Jordanationalismtion 7 months ago 4
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@ashlayblues well then you will get that the rest of the world is laughing at you
GerryB1110 7 months ago
Just a typical day watching Fox News....
DonGenarosDog 7 months ago
It's like me, except I hate capitalism.
MrIhatesafetymode 7 months ago
@MrIhatesafetymode Stop using youtube then.
austen85 6 months ago
@austen85 How is youtube capitalist?
MrIhatesafetymode 6 months ago
@MrIhatesafetymode Erm.. if you don't know the answer to that question, you're going to run into some serious problems as a socialist...
austen85 6 months ago
Sounds like my grandfather...
Ermal8711 7 months ago
This is me whenever the word "communist" is said.
racoonknux49 7 months ago
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@racoonknux49 Do you even know what communism is?
Catrionaify 7 months ago
Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck think this sketch is actually a serious documentary.
neil73 7 months ago 73
sometimes i feel like someone is talking about me
communistfun 7 months ago
he needs to admit hes a commie
lukakiwi 7 months ago
I referenced this rant in my fight against the red team on team fortress 2 earlier.
CrapTurret94 8 months ago
hitlers til a live and piss at the ussr
NerfGaming 8 months ago
coal war in a nutshell
Pikazilla 8 months ago
@Pikazilla cold* war?
PCGamerPortal 8 months ago
@Pikazilla I suppose the oil war was also summed up in this clip too.
monkiebrane101 8 months ago
@SocietyofPatriots Well don't complain about a lack of 'relevance' then
totallyirreverent 8 months ago
@SocietyofPatriots ...It's a joke
totallyirreverent 8 months ago
lol i loooove how all the pro-communist comments come from people who have never lived in a communist country with no freedom of speech and under the constant threat of the government. try and live in Cuba for 5 years, as soon as you voice your opinion and disagree with something government-related it's PRISON for you. good times eh?
Spazerrific 8 months ago 6
@Spazerrific So I take it you lived in Cuba then? Or has someone else told you this? Hmm?
admingeneral 8 months ago
@admingeneral i have indeed lived there, my comments come from first-hand experience =/
Spazerrific 8 months ago
@Spazerrific Personally, I believe in a Socialist Government, but only in a small group of about 20 people living in a community. It's a bad move for an ENTIRE nation to be Communist or Socialist. That's where the USSR went wrong.
DrFrohman 7 months ago
@DrFrohman agreed, it's been done since the beginning of mankind and it has worked out for thousands of native tribes across the globe but as you said, it only seems to work in that type of setting :)
Spazerrific 7 months ago
@DrFrohman ...then why does china's communism work so well?
lloydgar01 7 months ago
@lloydgar01 It doesn't. People are completely unhappy.
DrFrohman 7 months ago
@lloydgar01 'cause it's capitalism.
Penumbra505 7 months ago
@lloydgar01 china is one of the most capitalist staes on earth, it exploits the workers so much that it cannot possibly be called a communist state.
qwertyuiopm250 7 months ago
@Spazerrific Communism is a teenage hobby for the priveliged
austen85 6 months ago
Does this remind anyone of Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh at all?
Wanderer787 9 months ago 34
@Wanderer787 it certainly anticipates their style.
grahamlaur 4 months ago
@Wanderer787 No.
Charlem8 4 months ago
That is the voice of the bourgeoisie xD lol
ComradeFolski 9 months ago
Haha I live it how dumb Americans dint get it xD
GerryB1110 9 months ago 2
I still like Ike
czs5056 9 months ago 2
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KILL KILL KILL KILL!!!!
fodmunkio 9 months ago
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Terrifying Air Strike in Brega Libya - Nato Kills Civilians in Brega minimum 16 deaths and 36 injured of a libyan priest meeting
youtube.com/watch?v=Hpy-psuDz6U
NATO bombs meeting of Imams in Brega,Libya (arb. engl.subs)
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US General Wesley Clark about US Government plan to invade 7 arab countries in 5 years
youtube.com/watch?v=5-TZxI8m8ss
edgar0001 9 months ago
Professor R.J. Rummel (University of Hawai'i) documents that totalitarian/communist governments (e.g., USSR, PRC, PRNK) have been responsible for considerably more unwarranted human deaths ("democides") than politically and economically free republics (like the U.S.) or democracies. hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
gschong 9 months ago
He is obviously pretending to be an average American citizen.
SouthernSlavic 9 months ago 5
As a Venezuelan I get pretty pissed off about communist but everytime i see this i realize i have to chill out :P
nicazzo 9 months ago