Verdadera destreza looks very different from the german school of fighting. I am wondering if this type of fencing is better with lighter, tapered thrusting swords, whereas german longsword fencing is better with the heavy german bastard swords. The movements seem to suggest this.
Does anyone know where I could learn this stuff? All the sites I find are for places outside the US. I'm REALLY interested. I would prefer a place near Florida.
@WickLTAT I believe that there are chapters of ARMA (Association of Renassaince Martial Arts) in Florida. There may be some independent groups in your area. You can google western martial arts or eurpean swordsmanship. HEMAA( Historical European Martial Arts Alliance) is an umbrella organization that is less structured than ARMA and has many resources. I would recommend them. as well. Good luck.
Well it is translated. But yes the terms are still in german. Like Absetzen and Winden, which are somewhat comlpicated to translate (at least for me). If you wants to know more about them I can try to explain them. Is there anyone in particular?
@jimmy202500 This is, of course, if you were fighting a highly trained swordsman =) For example Fiore dei Liberi is thought to have fought and won five duels against other masters in the art, without receiving a single scratch himself.
Then again, fighting against a typical soldier, they did rarely know any techniques like this, since they're assuming that there are more enemies, and thus rely more on numbers than skill.
@pochazet Most certainly they did. However, what remains are Iberian manuscripts on the Montante, which is larger than a longsword. This group uses German techniques, often incorporates footwork from later Spanish Destreza.
there are records of several spanish authors on older and broader styles of fencing, but aparently the masters of the new, renaissance techniques managed to defame the older methods to the point in which they were considered inferior, anyways, the only very small texts have been discovered as of now, I know of three undiscovered books that were written on the so called "vulgar fencing", there are suppositions that there might be surviving copies of them in Italy though...
Gracias por el video, hermosa técnica. yo practiqué Iaido un tiempo, me gusta, pero también me gustaría tener una escuela como la suya cerca de aquí (Chile). Saludos!
I always kindof felt bad for european broadsword practitioners because i thought that it was basically a dead and lost art, I was obviously wrong. Nice vid, thanks for posting.
Hi Delmo, but for the forward thinking of some medieval and renaissance fencing masters, it would have become dead beyond all hope. Fortuntely, they left their teachings in the manuals they left behind. Some are quite cryptic, others are very detailed and clear. Between them, modern practicioners have been able to start reconstructing the arts, which is constantly under revision as new evidence comes to light.
In real fight most of these techniques are lethal. It's hard to do it when you have two skilled warriors because for every techniques you have contr-techniques. Then you have to hunt for mistakes of opponent.
But if you have one skileld warrior against newbie fight is ended by one clear shot.
@Jarvensen also, during a battle most people will be tired and distracted, causing their effectiveness to take a big hit, but a good warrior would remain cool and be able to pull off the counters that the others wouldn't even be able to remember.
Realmente una muy buena ejecución de los movimientos. En esta clase de videos se suele echar de menos un zoom detallado de manos y algo de camara lenta heheh, pero me imagino que eso es ya mucho curro con el editor.
This looks good. The fluidity is nice. My only criticism would be that the fencer on the left has a habit of looking down/away at the completion of almost every exercise. We can't afford to get lazy on the recovery even if the hit is made. I'm sure though that this is only a minor oversight. Keep up the good work!!!
Intent as defined by whom? Some people mistake excessive exertion (often as a result of poor biomechanics) for "intent". That's an easy enough mistake if we never stop to examine our form and the amount of energy expended vs the results provided. If I've learnt anything in HEMA, it's that swordsmanship at the highest levels is about efficiency. The video demonstrates lethal techniques performed with efficient mechanics. Carlos' longsword videos are some of the best out there.
Intent as defined by someone making an attempt to actually cut some one. This is not over exertion. this is not enough exertion to cut someone. Tappy tap will not cut. The two are way to close to start techniques from. Remember this is a fight, with a sword.
Ofcousrse effieintcy is what Martial Arts is about.
The video demonstrates lethal techniques performed with in-efficient body mechanics. If you want to practice a Martial Art in slow motion fine. You will fight the same way you practice.
It depends on the situation. Remember that swords are not ideal battlefield weapons... polearms ruled the field a lot of the time. There is a French manual called "Jeu de le Hache" which details poleax techniques, for example. However, the principles of swordsmanship apply to all other hand weapons, and were trained using that philosophy. Join a group near you and see for yourself! :)
la aparente falta de equilibrio es intencional? por que aqui se trabaja el footwork mas pesado ,pretendo viajar a europa para aprender de aquellos q arrastran tardicion .todos en america se proclaman expertos y muchos son fieros peleadores .mas estan combecios que a la espada la invetaron en alemania ,ya que solo practican german longsword from a 10 dollars book.perdon por mi castellano ,lo aprendi en mi casa
wow! will definately get my students to watch this. I just made the point that liechtenauer longsword has as much in common with rapier as it does with cutting techniques (ie 'the noble war'), and this really showcases it.
Wow! This whole time I assumed you guys studied the Italian tradition because of your graceful footwork and finesse. I'm fascinated by your interpretation of German Longsword. Awesome video!
Came here for the swordfighting, did not expect to hear Anathema! Pleasant surprise :)
endaemion 2 months ago
Felicidades es raro ver un tutorial de esgrima medieval, bien hecho explicado y con una muestra de buena destreza =D
MrMayeya 5 months ago
Verdadera destreza looks very different from the german school of fighting. I am wondering if this type of fencing is better with lighter, tapered thrusting swords, whereas german longsword fencing is better with the heavy german bastard swords. The movements seem to suggest this.
bsparks5232 5 months ago
For the ones that asked how this footwork and all of that works in combat just search for Verdadera Destreza in YouTube, and check newer videos.
ElArteDeLaFuga 6 months ago
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ElArteDeLaFuga 6 months ago
Obi Wan has taught you well.
cjeanrond 6 months ago 3
great moves.its not much of a fight if you kill on the first shot
trialsrider001 7 months ago
Danke für dieses schöne und lehrreiche Video.
jookerhead 7 months ago
Does anyone know where I could learn this stuff? All the sites I find are for places outside the US. I'm REALLY interested. I would prefer a place near Florida.
WickLTAT 10 months ago
@WickLTAT
I will send you a link for "the HEMA alliance training partner finder" map, many of the groups are listed there.
There are some groups in Florida and I hope one of them is near your home.
Have a nice day.
gurkfisk89 8 months ago
@WickLTAT I believe that there are chapters of ARMA (Association of Renassaince Martial Arts) in Florida. There may be some independent groups in your area. You can google western martial arts or eurpean swordsmanship. HEMAA( Historical European Martial Arts Alliance) is an umbrella organization that is less structured than ARMA and has many resources. I would recommend them. as well. Good luck.
tdb1964 2 months ago
Did you speed up some parts here? Looking at the background people I'm thinking so.
DiabolusIgnis 10 months ago
What happened to the old music?
TheVoraciousSnapmare 10 months ago
This is Thrand!!!
Excellent video awesome techniques!!!!
Be sure check out my videos on Viking sword and shield here on youtube!!!!!
ThegnThrand 11 months ago 4
I love the castle in the background
BrianDWalker3445 11 months ago
Can someone please translate this video into english? Please? Thanks :)
1Celebrindor 1 year ago
@1Celebrindor
Well it is translated. But yes the terms are still in german. Like Absetzen and Winden, which are somewhat comlpicated to translate (at least for me). If you wants to know more about them I can try to explain them. Is there anyone in particular?
gurkfisk89 1 year ago
Nice video. There should be some slowmotion for us to see better, though.
Catetas 1 year ago
its scary how easy it would have been to die before you could react in a sword fight.
jimmy202500 1 year ago
@jimmy202500 This is, of course, if you were fighting a highly trained swordsman =) For example Fiore dei Liberi is thought to have fought and won five duels against other masters in the art, without receiving a single scratch himself.
Then again, fighting against a typical soldier, they did rarely know any techniques like this, since they're assuming that there are more enemies, and thus rely more on numbers than skill.
DiabolusIgnis 10 months ago
did the spanish have their own style of longsword?
pochazet 1 year ago
@pochazet Most certainly they did. However, what remains are Iberian manuscripts on the Montante, which is larger than a longsword. This group uses German techniques, often incorporates footwork from later Spanish Destreza.
Kunstdesfechtens 1 year ago
@pochazet
there are records of several spanish authors on older and broader styles of fencing, but aparently the masters of the new, renaissance techniques managed to defame the older methods to the point in which they were considered inferior, anyways, the only very small texts have been discovered as of now, I know of three undiscovered books that were written on the so called "vulgar fencing", there are suppositions that there might be surviving copies of them in Italy though...
Supertomiman 11 months ago
thanks for the videos Darkfury I will study them
jettarulz 1 year ago
Excellent my students (evil laugh)
swordmaster1716 1 year ago
precioso. como se llama la cancion?
666xArly666 2 years ago
whats the name of that song?
mikeinsanity 2 years ago
eso fue genial parce muchisimas gracias
Desayunobabe 2 years ago
Gracias por el video, hermosa técnica. yo practiqué Iaido un tiempo, me gusta, pero también me gustaría tener una escuela como la suya cerca de aquí (Chile). Saludos!
solnegrolunaroja 2 years ago
do it like a jedi !!!
Driscoll61289 2 years ago
watch the feet folks
that should help in your learning this techniques faster
These guys are amazing pure text book classic stuff
eddiedaskull 2 years ago 2
I always kindof felt bad for european broadsword practitioners because i thought that it was basically a dead and lost art, I was obviously wrong. Nice vid, thanks for posting.
Delmo67 2 years ago 2
Hi Delmo, but for the forward thinking of some medieval and renaissance fencing masters, it would have become dead beyond all hope. Fortuntely, they left their teachings in the manuals they left behind. Some are quite cryptic, others are very detailed and clear. Between them, modern practicioners have been able to start reconstructing the arts, which is constantly under revision as new evidence comes to light.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
Thanks for good techniques video
WingDrakos 2 years ago 2
Are those fencing tunics or are they gambesons?
Jebbis 2 years ago
NICE!
PuddingblendeR 2 years ago
The techniques would work, but would look a lot less clear and beautiful. And harder to understand if you're watching.
Ranziel1 2 years ago
Do any of these techniques realy work if the other person doesn't stop moving?
AfricanBaby18 2 years ago
of course they do, you may need to alter your footwork but the effect wiil be the same and remember to come back to a cover defence after the attack.
Arkapok81 2 years ago
In real fight most of these techniques are lethal. It's hard to do it when you have two skilled warriors because for every techniques you have contr-techniques. Then you have to hunt for mistakes of opponent.
But if you have one skileld warrior against newbie fight is ended by one clear shot.
Jarvensen 2 years ago 3
@Jarvensen also, during a battle most people will be tired and distracted, causing their effectiveness to take a big hit, but a good warrior would remain cool and be able to pull off the counters that the others wouldn't even be able to remember.
Altonahk 1 year ago
Realmente una muy buena ejecución de los movimientos. En esta clase de videos se suele echar de menos un zoom detallado de manos y algo de camara lenta heheh, pero me imagino que eso es ya mucho curro con el editor.
Un saludo desde Navarra, y a seguir así.
Knort
Knort 2 years ago
Yeah, sounds like steel. Although techniques look very graceful. shouldn't movements be a tad harsher?
It's blossechten and all, but people don't fight naked and these stikes like ferocity.
Ranziel1 2 years ago
That's technique presentation for teaching purpose, that's not real time fighting.
Irrehaare 2 years ago
This looks so intricate.
I'd love to see some full on competition duels.
moggott 2 years ago
what kind of sword they use (the material)?
championofgods 2 years ago
Steel, blunted for practice.
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
I love how the spanish sun touches the blades...
dermitemschwerttanzt 2 years ago 3
The Sun doesn't belong to spain.
R-tard.
Kryptoslol 2 years ago
This looks good. The fluidity is nice. My only criticism would be that the fencer on the left has a habit of looking down/away at the completion of almost every exercise. We can't afford to get lazy on the recovery even if the hit is made. I'm sure though that this is only a minor oversight. Keep up the good work!!!
Lafaugere 3 years ago 3
nice technique indeed,but what I like most is (I'm guessing Carlos on the left)his footwork...the foundation of good technique.
mortuary3 3 years ago
Nice vid!
A bit short for the ammount of info and demonstrations, it gets a bit too fast for a slow reader like me. Good technique though.
Tehinke 3 years ago
An old saying (I forget who said it but the guy had some battles under his belt) 'never hand a man, who can't dance, a sword.'
compupack 3 years ago
Very impressive demonstration of your technique. It doesn't have to look like it has 'intent' in order to be lethal.
johhnytrash 3 years ago 2
Not Bad. It lacks any real intent but it is not bad.Remember its not a dance, its a fight.
MacUladh 3 years ago
Agreed, intent isn't there, and I don't see Ochs, Pflug, Alber, Vom Tag, or Tail.
Nazgrol 3 years ago
isnt theleft guy using pflug in 00:30?
argonald 3 years ago
Well, actually this isn't a fight. It's a demonstration. :>
Caliburnis 3 years ago
Intent as defined by whom? Some people mistake excessive exertion (often as a result of poor biomechanics) for "intent". That's an easy enough mistake if we never stop to examine our form and the amount of energy expended vs the results provided. If I've learnt anything in HEMA, it's that swordsmanship at the highest levels is about efficiency. The video demonstrates lethal techniques performed with efficient mechanics. Carlos' longsword videos are some of the best out there.
CollegiumInArmis 2 years ago 2
Intent as defined by someone making an attempt to actually cut some one. This is not over exertion. this is not enough exertion to cut someone. Tappy tap will not cut. The two are way to close to start techniques from. Remember this is a fight, with a sword.
Ofcousrse effieintcy is what Martial Arts is about.
The video demonstrates lethal techniques performed with in-efficient body mechanics. If you want to practice a Martial Art in slow motion fine. You will fight the same way you practice.
MacUladh 2 years ago
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waaeaa 2 years ago
It depends on the situation. Remember that swords are not ideal battlefield weapons... polearms ruled the field a lot of the time. There is a French manual called "Jeu de le Hache" which details poleax techniques, for example. However, the principles of swordsmanship apply to all other hand weapons, and were trained using that philosophy. Join a group near you and see for yourself! :)
Kunstdesfechtens 2 years ago
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no match for a lightsaber.
Godsmasher22 3 years ago
la aparente falta de equilibrio es intencional? por que aqui se trabaja el footwork mas pesado ,pretendo viajar a europa para aprender de aquellos q arrastran tardicion .todos en america se proclaman expertos y muchos son fieros peleadores .mas estan combecios que a la espada la invetaron en alemania ,ya que solo practican german longsword from a 10 dollars book.perdon por mi castellano ,lo aprendi en mi casa
conqueror101 3 years ago 3
Nice...yet another to add to the favorite long-sword videos to watch repeatedly.
mortuary3 3 years ago 3
Another great video from you guys, thanks for sharing. By the way, good choice of locales to film this as well.
Your control and form look great to me but I would be interested to see these at full speed with committed attacks.
blambell 3 years ago 9
I agree, I would love to see some contact. It would be interesting to see how the techniques apply to things without a plan.
Maerokane 3 years ago
wow! will definately get my students to watch this. I just made the point that liechtenauer longsword has as much in common with rapier as it does with cutting techniques (ie 'the noble war'), and this really showcases it.
MarkHolgate 3 years ago 3
Hi all, we use at present federschwert of Ensifer.
The castle is Loarre (XI century), Spain.
loarresknight 3 years ago
Yes! Das ist gut! ;) Smooth and small = efficient and effective.
CollegiumInArmis 3 years ago 2
Wow! This whole time I assumed you guys studied the Italian tradition because of your graceful footwork and finesse. I'm fascinated by your interpretation of German Longsword. Awesome video!
Djemps 3 years ago
indeed, a very different approach to the German system compared to ARMA isn't it?
tiamat9989 3 years ago
Nice work! I like the zwerchau counters.
What swords do you guys use?
tiamat9989 3 years ago