Any one else forced to experience the dark side ending? I play as a light side character, but have gotten the dark side ending both times I've played the game.It's really pissing me off.
Wow, I've never seen the DS ending of Kotor 2 before, but this totally makes me understand why people want a Kotor 3 so badly. This is the ultimate cliffhanger!!! IMO the real (or canon) story of Kotor 2 should be this- the exile going to the Dark Side. Can't wait for SWTOR!!!
A lot of people are saying this was a bad ending, I do not know why if you payed attention you would have saw that the ending was going to preview the next game. It is such a rich ending that it almost makes you cringe once you watch it after you have visited SWTOR.com the game designers were practically telling you what happened to revan what would happen with the exile what would happen with the series in general.I think they could have delivered the ending better though, rather then a lecture
@FinalFrontierWoW I think a lot of people say that this was a bad ending actually because of the beginning. Unlike Kotor 1 there is no clear enemy in the beginning, although it's fairly easy to tell that Kreia is Sith. What I personally hate about the ending is that you have no interaction with your party members after you leave Malachor- And there is no celebration like the LS Kotor 1 ending, nor a cutscene with the Sith bowing down to you like the Kotor 1 DS ending. Can't wait for SWTOR tho =)
you made all of the people hideous! atton looked like a dead man mical like an old man bao dur a...lesser model of darth maul. and made visas suicide.
@davidho4 If you're on the Dark Side, you need to gain influence with Bao-Dur to pull him towards your side to make him darker.
You can watch (DS) 58: Bao-Dur the Jedi when I turned him the Dark Jedi. It's one of the most interesting part, because you can actually see his Sith tattoo's changes from mono-tone to two colours :)
Have him in your party and do things which gain influence with him. Then when he's not in your party, go mad and go around killing innocent people or doing other dark things to make up for the light side points you get for the deeds he likes you doing.
Oh, and I'm starting a 'neutral' run on kotor 2. I'm a ds male consular. (this is kind of my own special way of being neutral. =) ) I make brianna a dark jedi, and everyone else, yadda yadda. When I head to narshadda, I'mgoing to use the infinite light or darkside cheat to get lighto I can get mira. Then, I'll head back to dantooine, and get infinite ds points, and make her a dark jedi. I also wont kill jedi
@fre2e2 think youve figured it out by now but using the light side or darkside alighnement cheat will change your characters alighnments randonmly. its pretty annoying
Kreya is prob my favorite character of all times. From NWN to Dragon Age i still find it hard to find a character so well written, voiced, deep and interesting.
i always perferred to be a male so i could have handmaiden. but i'd be LS and go to nar shaddaa first. get mira then be evil muhahaha. great walkthrough. its like watching and interactive movie
does anyone else feel that both the ds and the ls ending is a bit abrupt? i mean compared to kotor 1 where its shows reven commanding a huge army of sith in the ds ending and there is a big ceremony in the ls ending, kotor 2 endings seem just a little, i dont know, disappointing. all kotor 2 shows is kreia falling into malachor for ds side and the ebon hawk flying out of malachor for ls.
if you become a dark side ,is a different missions and stuff be different and same for being jedi will have different missions than dark side has?cas boring if dark side me vs another dark side
i finnally beat kotor II like half an hour ago. i love your videos. but i didnt watch all of them. someone told me that theres a part in the game where you can destroy a planet with the force...is that true?? and if so can you tell where i can find that video?
Congrats on beating the game - Do you know which planet your friend is talking about?
There are two planets which will be destroyed in the game: Peragus & Malachor V, but not through the Force.
If you order Atton to fire at the Harbinger (Episode 18), Peragus will be destroyed through your action. But even if you haven't, Peragus will be destroyed regardless of your choice.
As for Malachor V, it will be destroyed if you choose the Light Side path.
idk he just said that theres a cutscene were it looks like ur meditating or something then you wave your hand and a planet explodes...i also heard that along time ago in a review on this game. and thanks. it took me bout 2 and a half weeks and it was well worth my time =)
The ending of the actual game is when the last music begins at 0:45. I summarized my journey of this walkthrough in the end - so it's my ending in a way, and yours will be your own.
Your question, 'Sith is beter than Jedi?' is an universal question throughout the game - and many characters will mention it too & you'll learn a lot about it :)
virtualcatz your the best ! thanks you for the videos thats help me a lot i used it 3 times ! and in the light side visas dont suiside :) i have end it like 2 minutes ago :)
.....that was awesome gave me goose bumps well done i particularly like the last bit with kerias mono log and the exile just standing there, well done and then some
they are but its an mmorpg thingy but apparently most of the story can be completed on your own but some missions will require other players, i say shame on them for making it an mmorpg :(
No, I wasn't going to, as he doesn't give you any bonus (XP, extra abilities, etc) aside from 30 seconds brief talk about Revan... That's not to say it wasn't important, but I wanted to show all real bonuses, including making Force Sensitives fully on the Dark Side.
So when I planned the order of planets, I considered these factors. But I have recorded the scene with Mandalore when I was preparing for the walkthrough, so I will upload it as an extra video after I complete LS walkthrough.
Force Crush is available as default in KOTOR2 - You'll learn it in Jedi Enclave if you are on the Dark Side (You'll learn Force Enlightenment if you're on the Light Side).
hey there is a quite easy but long way to do it first way is at the beginning when your on telos before you talk to that trader who owns the shop near the cantina save it then see what he got and if he doesnt got it then load other option is on nar sharda there is this twilik trader who wants help makin her bissness *sorry for bad spelling it is half 3 in the morning and my brain is dead* on other worlds and once you help dantoine become stable she will sell you a silver crystal
I kept all good clips while I was making the walkthrough - now I can delete them to make lots of space in my computer! (oh, I must admit, it'll be so sad to see them go... lol)
where did you get some of the music??
weeeepp 1 month ago
Any one else forced to experience the dark side ending? I play as a light side character, but have gotten the dark side ending both times I've played the game.It's really pissing me off.
6netfire 3 months ago
K2's real ending was so empty :/
MyQwerty678 6 months ago
Wickedly awesome!!
DNAngel988 6 months ago
how did you get the black droid
OMGthepie 6 months ago
Congrats on 40k views
Blacksmithii5 7 months ago
Well virtualcat2010, did you prefer the Dark Side or the Light Side?
AzZa2289 7 months ago
You are Revan the Sith Lord
SpiritRecon 7 months ago
Kreia is the best above all else.
DarthRalek 7 months ago
The first dislike this is Darth Nihilus!
MrTommymcgowan 8 months ago
I like how you added you're parts into it. I fucken hated that game though, gave me so much trouble.
ShakenFoe 9 months ago
i was so disappointed with this game...screw obsidian
Mustarpevinyl 9 months ago
@McChang117 yeah i know it has been scrapped, but it would have been good if it was made.
THERIGBOSS 9 months ago
whats the music at the end??? pls...
53535ify 9 months ago
whats the music at the end???? pls...
53535ify 9 months ago
i think it is obvious but an ACTUAL Knights of the Old Republic 3 needs to be made
THERIGBOSS 11 months ago
is this a real ending? cuz it lks so realistic
blueguy81 11 months ago
@blueguy81 No, the actual ending was when the credit roll starts. The rest is my own ending of this walkthrough I put together :)
virtualcat2010 11 months ago 2
k2 got pwned
blueguy81 11 months ago
IT WOULD BE AWESOME IF THEY MADE A LIVE ACTION MOVIE OF KOTOR 2 IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN THE PREQUELS AND THE SEQUELS
blueguy81 11 months ago
kotor is the best game i ever had it's beter on xbox360
habiger40 1 year ago
Obsidian should hire you.
mawriz 1 year ago
these kotor games are the awesomest games just like starwars r the awesomest movies..............
nicotipro1 1 year ago
:O
that was awesome
Mechanix135 1 year ago
Stupid Darkside. Makes everyone look like shit !
GamerzCreed01 1 year ago
how did you get there at 8:07
JCLMfamily 1 year ago
@JCLMfamily I am not this video maker but it's a ledge over Malachor.
jpl188 1 year ago
Nice ending!
JMDub89 1 year ago
Wow, I've never seen the DS ending of Kotor 2 before, but this totally makes me understand why people want a Kotor 3 so badly. This is the ultimate cliffhanger!!! IMO the real (or canon) story of Kotor 2 should be this- the exile going to the Dark Side. Can't wait for SWTOR!!!
Rednasyl28 1 year ago
Your playing on the xbox right?
blackpanther10109 1 year ago
wow that was very good i might play dark side now see where it leads
Ambienttz 1 year ago
Luved this game but one was btr. If only Bioshock did 2 also Stupid Obsidian > : |
KMKoriKM 1 year ago
A lot of people are saying this was a bad ending, I do not know why if you payed attention you would have saw that the ending was going to preview the next game. It is such a rich ending that it almost makes you cringe once you watch it after you have visited SWTOR.com the game designers were practically telling you what happened to revan what would happen with the exile what would happen with the series in general.I think they could have delivered the ending better though, rather then a lecture
FinalFrontierWoW 1 year ago
@FinalFrontierWoW I think a lot of people say that this was a bad ending actually because of the beginning. Unlike Kotor 1 there is no clear enemy in the beginning, although it's fairly easy to tell that Kreia is Sith. What I personally hate about the ending is that you have no interaction with your party members after you leave Malachor- And there is no celebration like the LS Kotor 1 ending, nor a cutscene with the Sith bowing down to you like the Kotor 1 DS ending. Can't wait for SWTOR tho =)
Rednasyl28 1 year ago
yay we follow the cannon xD
Xkittydkiss 1 year ago
you made all of the people hideous! atton looked like a dead man mical like an old man bao dur a...lesser model of darth maul. and made visas suicide.
beobrandt 1 year ago
loved every minute of it!!!
iluvregenon 1 year ago
What an odd ending. Up until the credits; beyond that, I'm not sure if you made it or if it's original.
Banzay27 1 year ago
i appulade you a more epic ending one cant find. how did you convert bao
davidho4 1 year ago
@davidho4 If you're on the Dark Side, you need to gain influence with Bao-Dur to pull him towards your side to make him darker.
You can watch (DS) 58: Bao-Dur the Jedi when I turned him the Dark Jedi. It's one of the most interesting part, because you can actually see his Sith tattoo's changes from mono-tone to two colours :)
virtualcat2010 1 year ago
@davidho4
Have him in your party and do things which gain influence with him. Then when he's not in your party, go mad and go around killing innocent people or doing other dark things to make up for the light side points you get for the deeds he likes you doing.
SnakeOnAPlane 1 year ago
what skills and attributes did you end with?
Oh, and I'm starting a 'neutral' run on kotor 2. I'm a ds male consular. (this is kind of my own special way of being neutral. =) ) I make brianna a dark jedi, and everyone else, yadda yadda. When I head to narshadda, I'mgoing to use the infinite light or darkside cheat to get lighto I can get mira. Then, I'll head back to dantooine, and get infinite ds points, and make her a dark jedi. I also wont kill jedi
fre2e2 1 year ago
@fre2e2 My final stats at Level 30 are; 13-14-21-13-20-10, skills 5-1-0-13-32-25-1-16. You can also see the final powers in Episode 156 =D
virtualcat2010 1 year ago
@fre2e2 think youve figured it out by now but using the light side or darkside alighnement cheat will change your characters alighnments randonmly. its pretty annoying
1tacoman17 1 year ago
Kreya is prob my favorite character of all times. From NWN to Dragon Age i still find it hard to find a character so well written, voiced, deep and interesting.
americandream112 1 year ago
how come Bao-Dur has face paint in DS but not on LS
TheLegorock 1 year ago
@TheLegorock All Jedi sensitive members will get facial change once they become darker, but in Bao-Dur's case, his Sith Tatoo becomes more vivid :D
virtualcat2010 1 year ago
@virtualcat2010 he might end up like darth maul
TheLegorock 1 year ago
this ending makes no sense
Darth305 1 year ago
Is there a way to continue playing after end?
brokensteellord 1 year ago
i want to see the planet revan is on
TalkHardDammit 1 year ago
what if this game had online pvp and stuff lol. that would be so sweet.
Nubleeblub 1 year ago
It's too bad that they had to release the game before they finished it.
OnyxKing332 2 years ago
its a shame that they are ruining this franchise by making it an mmorpg only on the pc...
italiandude6789 2 years ago
@italiandude6789 Im sceptic of an mmrpg Kotor as well. However it is a bit harsh to judge a game that isn´t out yet.
Who knows. It might become the next WoW (slim chances). It is Bioware remember?
americandream112 1 year ago
the entrance to trayus acadamy,looks like an angry trandoshian.
greendragonable 2 years ago
rly good you should make a video like this but light side
eman3nt 2 years ago
Thanks! I'm just about to upload the ending of the Light Side walkthorugh hopefully tomorrow :D
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Who was the old guy with white hair at 7:09
UnboundFilmsNY 2 years ago
Disciple, with Dark Side face, and his young
JMasterVlad 2 years ago
Oh. I never add him to my party.
UnboundFilmsNY 2 years ago
I see
JMasterVlad 2 years ago
I hated K2's ending
loganstarr96 2 years ago 23
@loganstarr96
I think it was voted 2nd worse ending ever.
Sounds like there's a few other hints out there that give at least some closure to the characters though.
Usul573 1 year ago
@Usul573 Yep, Obsidian were rushed to finish it :(
loganstarr96 1 year ago
this is also for the DS?
theshadowalberto789 2 years ago
i always perferred to be a male so i could have handmaiden. but i'd be LS and go to nar shaddaa first. get mira then be evil muhahaha. great walkthrough. its like watching and interactive movie
3dayzgrace2280 2 years ago 11
Impressive, very impressive walkthrough. I really enjoyed it.
hitdude47 2 years ago
Thanks so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it :(
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
I enjoyed it. You sure know how to make videos.
visorak168x 2 years ago
great ending! :)
loganstarr96 2 years ago
i dont get it why does visis kill herself?
skyhawk629 2 years ago
You can watch Episode 151 to learn what happened :D
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
does anyone else feel that both the ds and the ls ending is a bit abrupt? i mean compared to kotor 1 where its shows reven commanding a huge army of sith in the ds ending and there is a big ceremony in the ls ending, kotor 2 endings seem just a little, i dont know, disappointing. all kotor 2 shows is kreia falling into malachor for ds side and the ebon hawk flying out of malachor for ls.
demonpeak 2 years ago
you know what is going to happe at the end.
elnumbrotres 2 years ago
AWES
PivotLord21 2 years ago
This should have been te tailer of kotor 2 Once again good job :D
SuperQuack123 2 years ago
Thanks so much! =P
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Dark..
LDtheBrachio 2 years ago
excellent work 8)
roxaskeybladebearer 2 years ago
If they told me to give my saber I would be like "Bye Bye Basterds!! (the finger)"
NextGeneration247 2 years ago
if you become a dark side ,is a different missions and stuff be different and same for being jedi will have different missions than dark side has?cas boring if dark side me vs another dark side
richiebutterton 2 years ago
great work ! thanks for this video !:)
svp1973 2 years ago
u make a good movie :)
SuperQuack123 2 years ago
Thanks so much!
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
ur walkthrough helped alot,thanks!
blarvi2green 2 years ago
You're welcome, glad it helped!
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
I like the dark side ending better.
NO11YOU 2 years ago
took me exactly 24hrs and 15mins to beat with a lightside Jedi guardian
GhostLeader217 2 years ago
did you get to 50 by the time the game ended?
ayresinator 2 years ago
I ended the game at Level 30. You can only get to Level 50 if you use cheats such as Infinite XP bugs.
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
i finnally beat kotor II like half an hour ago. i love your videos. but i didnt watch all of them. someone told me that theres a part in the game where you can destroy a planet with the force...is that true?? and if so can you tell where i can find that video?
torpedotoad 2 years ago
Congrats on beating the game - Do you know which planet your friend is talking about?
There are two planets which will be destroyed in the game: Peragus & Malachor V, but not through the Force.
If you order Atton to fire at the Harbinger (Episode 18), Peragus will be destroyed through your action. But even if you haven't, Peragus will be destroyed regardless of your choice.
As for Malachor V, it will be destroyed if you choose the Light Side path.
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
idk he just said that theres a cutscene were it looks like ur meditating or something then you wave your hand and a planet explodes...i also heard that along time ago in a review on this game. and thanks. it took me bout 2 and a half weeks and it was well worth my time =)
torpedotoad 2 years ago
I have not seen that you can destroy a wolrd through the Force...Sorry.
greene1100 2 years ago
After game 'ends' You can just walk around on the world? :o
And sith is better than jedi? :P
I have bought this game few days ago, so im not in telos - planet, and im trying to get my ship back:D
PikkupoikaQ 2 years ago
The ending of the actual game is when the last music begins at 0:45. I summarized my journey of this walkthrough in the end - so it's my ending in a way, and yours will be your own.
Your question, 'Sith is beter than Jedi?' is an universal question throughout the game - and many characters will mention it too & you'll learn a lot about it :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
virtualcatz your the best ! thanks you for the videos thats help me a lot i used it 3 times ! and in the light side visas dont suiside :) i have end it like 2 minutes ago :)
tubeunpaj 2 years ago
Glad my vids helped your journey! Congrats for beating the game in the Light Side :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
music??
StratProductions 2 years ago
Ha umm I really dont know umm but all I have to say is that you have a gift of making vids!! =D
Revan40seven 2 years ago
Thanks so much for saying! :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Now thats how you make a video.
Katlhell 2 years ago
Dang you need to make movies or something when ur older cause that was perfect! nice!
Revan40seven 2 years ago
Thanks very much! Lol how much older should I be before I can think about making movies?
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Canderous is really Mandalorian?
Mesina2 2 years ago
Yup. Same voice actor and everything.
ammuine 2 years ago
he talks about it in the first game
JoshTheAngryViewer 2 years ago
im trying to kill darth traya i keep dying i really need help
MrFutbolista1 2 years ago
wtf?
visas suicide?
at 6:54
santobijarro 2 years ago
i enjoyd your videos and the ending was nice =)
paliho123 2 years ago
Thanks for much for watching :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Excellent video, virtualcat! I enjoyed it! Good job
1998alisa 2 years ago
Thanks so much!
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
.....that was awesome gave me goose bumps well done i particularly like the last bit with kerias mono log and the exile just standing there, well done and then some
nathanbb 2 years ago
Thanks very much, I've worked on the ending for a looong time, so I'm glad you enjoyed it.
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
me too were raven as gone if she is gone to the out-there-rim i hope they make a kotor 3.
jared4wally 2 years ago
they are but its an mmorpg thingy but apparently most of the story can be completed on your own but some missions will require other players, i say shame on them for making it an mmorpg :(
oOoBARTONoOo 2 years ago
i wonder what happend to raven?
undeadmanwalking 2 years ago
there really is guna be a kotor 3 in 2010? well if so can you tell me the proof because i would like to see it myself.
hockeysnipes9 2 years ago
KOTOR 3 FOR HOME CONSOLES 010 WOOT1
Yatzeeeidunno 2 years ago
kotor 3 in 2010. gonna have much better graphics. expect the game around December
LimpLoser 2 years ago
I only wish you didn't need to pay every month or so :|
StarWars12496 2 years ago
i can't wait for the light side walkthroughs
Arnest123 2 years ago
why do have to stop being dark side it was fun watching your videos
weto4 2 years ago
wow thats quite the endin
sharkshot2 2 years ago
thus concludes kotor 2 ds walkthrough!
hockeysnipes9 2 years ago
did you ever get full infueas on manalore
daemonsole 2 years ago
spelled wrong Mandalore!
JMasterVlad 2 years ago
so i can't spell everyone knows what i mean
daemonsole 2 years ago
huh
JMasterVlad 2 years ago
No, I wasn't going to, as he doesn't give you any bonus (XP, extra abilities, etc) aside from 30 seconds brief talk about Revan... That's not to say it wasn't important, but I wanted to show all real bonuses, including making Force Sensitives fully on the Dark Side.
So when I planned the order of planets, I considered these factors. But I have recorded the scene with Mandalore when I was preparing for the walkthrough, so I will upload it as an extra video after I complete LS walkthrough.
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
you did it kitty! amazing walkthrough!
connorkwl 2 years ago
Thanks so much!
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
How did u get force crush for the x-box version???
D0H3RTY42 2 years ago
Force Crush is available as default in KOTOR2 - You'll learn it in Jedi Enclave if you are on the Dark Side (You'll learn Force Enlightenment if you're on the Light Side).
It's shown in Episode 144.
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
I like the most the ending! How you showed Visas is... very scary and great for DS! And at Disciple, the music is great!
All the vid is exellent!
JMasterVlad 2 years ago
One word for how you done this walkthrough - CARNAGE!!!!
DJlord001 2 years ago
I ABSOLUTELY can not wait for your light side walkthrough!! It's gonna' be fantastic!!!
DancingNinjaKiwis 2 years ago
where did you get a silver lightsaber crystal
podda55 2 years ago
hey there is a quite easy but long way to do it first way is at the beginning when your on telos before you talk to that trader who owns the shop near the cantina save it then see what he got and if he doesnt got it then load other option is on nar sharda there is this twilik trader who wants help makin her bissness *sorry for bad spelling it is half 3 in the morning and my brain is dead* on other worlds and once you help dantoine become stable she will sell you a silver crystal
kotor1and2 2 years ago
amazing! this captures kotor 2 so well!
Alan123123123 2 years ago
Very, very nice! Love that last scene with Exile staring across her domain.
Can't wait to see more...and makes me want to finish mine asap!
padawanmage71 2 years ago
Thanks so much! I went around the whole Malachor to find the location for the last scene, so I'm glad you liked it.
Yes, I can't wait to see your vids, too =D
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Great job.
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67thCloneSquadron 2 years ago
nice video.
zvMalakvz 2 years ago
If only I had clips like this...then I could make something awesome out of it. great video 5/5 u made it feel like the end and made it legendary =D
wassup1578 2 years ago
I kept all good clips while I was making the walkthrough - now I can delete them to make lots of space in my computer! (oh, I must admit, it'll be so sad to see them go... lol)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
xPuR3TaLenTx: She is going to be a Light Side, male, Guardian in the next walkthrough.
DancingNinjaKiwis 2 years ago
are you going to be a sentinel or guardian in the new walkthrough
xPuR3TaLenTx 2 years ago
I'm going to be a Guardian next :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Freakin 100-100 yo that was a great story lets play. Dark side rules.
Krunk115 2 years ago
Wow!!! Wouldn't it be cool if they did a comic series of Revan and the Exhile fighting the True Sith?
DogoHalibar 2 years ago
What are you going to do after the Light Side walkthrough?
SWTantiveIV 2 years ago
I'll make extra vids of KOTOR and KOTOR 2, to cover everything I couldn't do during these walkthroughs. Then I may move on to the new game :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
very nice walkthrough im playing kotor 1 right now ls
then im play kotor2 ls
evilmikewwe 2 years ago
Now that was epic.
DarthMagoose 2 years ago
so.....EPIC thank you
insertawesome 2 years ago 2
great job on your walkthroughs
astrojeet 2 years ago
Fantastic job, Catz! I am incredibly proud of your success! YOU ROCK! I AM SUCHHHHHHA FAN!!!!!
DancingNinjaKiwis 2 years ago
Thanks so much for watching! Glad it's done =D
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
Good Job to you ! Wonderful Walkthrough !
Char091Leclerc 2 years ago 2
Thank you :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago
as one journey ends, another begins.
justinweithers 2 years ago 3
epic!!!!!!!!! 100000/5
kotorgamer88 2 years ago 3
Woot! Darkness continues to reign >:D
good job
Xesan 2 years ago 3
dont forget mass effect xDDDDDD cant wait 4 the light side walkthroug
Arcadia117 2 years ago
I love Mass Effect, I've been playing it for a while now. Well, let's wait & see when my next walkthrough reaches towards the end :)
virtualcat2010 2 years ago