Bujinkan Ninpo Taijutsu - Belgium Taikai 2009 - Hanbo Jutsu

[k1tsum3]

This is ridiculous. Embarrassment to the art. It's no wonder people talk trash about the art.

[slapupchrist]

recoveringangels, one of my teachers used to say that he'd rather grab a weapon than use hand-to-hand techniques; that is a device that is used by Bujinkan teachers so as to come across as 'honest'.

The reality, though, is that every official video of Bujinkan training, and every seminar and class I've ever seen, and every clip on You Tube shows the same thing: LARPing.

It's all very well to THEORISE (a very important word, here) about self defence, but how you train is what really counts.

[slapupchrist]

recoveringangels, I'm not confusing you with anyone; I'm questioning your claims about the Bujinkan.

I don't mean to be rude (I've been called that plenty of times before); I simply disagree that the Bujinkan is either an effective self defence system or a collection of proven Samurai and Ninja arts.

You asked "are you saying its of no use at all?" The answer is this: I am saying that locks, throws, chokes, etc need to be trained properly in order to be skilled in applying them in combat.

[slapupchrist]

recoveringangels, here are two things that I would like you to consider:

1. Are you basing your assumption that Bujinkan taijutsu is 'pretty effective' on actual experience of it being used against a fully resisting opponent?

2. You said "its hard training where i go not pussyfooting about"; can and will you upload some footage of the 'hard training' at your dojo, so that the first ever footage of realistic Bujinkan training can be seen on You Tube?

[slapupchrist]

Firstly, recoveringangels, you are NOT training in ninjutsu. The word 'ninjutsu' means stealth, espionage, etc by ninja.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ONE ON PLANET EARTH WHO IS TEACHING REAL NINJUTSU; IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

What you are learning is called 'taijutsu'.

Secondly, I was in the Bujinkan for ten years. I trained in Japan, as well as various other countries. THERE WAS NEVER ANY 'HARD TRAINING'.

If you train Bujinkan-style techniques against resistance, please upload some video.

[slapupchrist]

recoveringangels, taijutsu is just another term for jujutsu. Jujutsu is locking, throwing, choking and grappling. Effective taijutsu/jujutsu skills are valid for self defence.

Slow motion role playing with compliant training partners who attack in unrealistic ways, and fall over when they are breathed on, are NOT valid ways of learning self defence.

Does that make things clearer for you?

[isjtarjr]

Ah, I never take part in youtube discussions, so pointless, but anyway.

This exercise is not a combat technique, it's a didactic way of learning how to take an opponents' balance in an enlarged, exaggerated form.

He'll be the first to say that you should never use a technique like this in a combat situation. It's about footwork and changing an opponents posture. If that's not the way you think martial arts should be learned, fine, but it has nothing to do with larp or whatever.

[ninpo4me]

@isjtarjr well said

[Myrmonden]

yeah this is sad. When we train with hanbo I will hit my oponent several times harder then they are and thats with a real oak stick this looks like some soft one. And he doesent even contact him with it. If u are gonna do a movie showing moves at least then use some strenght in the jutsu.

[MyoushinRyuNinjutsu]

WTF?

[ninjanerd8]

From 1:00 onward. WtfAmILookingAt.jpg

[slapupchrist]

ninjanerd8, you're looking at LARPing (Live Action Role Playing). It's what the Bujinkan does to try to make its ineffective techniques look realistic.

[ninjanerd8]

@slapupchrist The fact that your comment has been neg rep'd is a testament to the intellectual thuggery of YouTube watchers. Keep spreading the truth.

[slapupchrist]

I certainly will keep spreading the truth,

ninjanerd8.

Hopefully, the odd intelligent individual will see what a load of rubbish the Bujinkan is and decide to leave (if they're a member) or find something effective (if they're thinking of joining Hatsumi's scam).

[kenninast]

@slapupchrist

Train with those few people in the Bujinkan who DO know what they talk about, and you will talk differently. It's not that 97% of the teachers are bad, as well as the organisation, that the system is bad.

[slapupchrist]

kenninast, I was in the Bujinkan for ten years. I trained at Honbu and was graded to sixth dan. I've trained with most of the Japanese shihan and quite a few Western 15th dans also. Although some were better than others at taijutsu, they ALL LARPed from start to finish. Even Hatsumi was totally unrealistic and relied on play-acting from his ukes.

Please tell me who these so-called 'few people in the Bujinkan who DO know what they talk about" are.

[kenninast]

@slapupchrist

Have you trained with Ishizuka sensei and people from that corner?

[slapupchrist]

kenninast, I have seen Ishizuka teaching. I have watched Muramatsu thumping his uke. I have felt Bill Atkins apply a few gyakus. I have trained with Tim Bathurst and Ed Lomax. I've been choked out by Alex Mordine.

The facts in all these cases were the same: LARPing. Slow Motion Role Playing. Unrealistic Set-Ups. Uke and Tori. Nothing alive. Just form and/or function IN ISOLATION.

Sure, the techniques hurt. But, they were not EVER done against a resisting, attacking opponent.

[kenninast]

@slapupchrist

Well, I know one of Ishizuka senseis students quite well. He ALWAYS goes to people from other martial arts (and yes, also MMA and the likes) to see if it works.

But then, you are entitled to your opinion. I accept that.

But please, be so decent to show the respect to not be calling it "LARP". If you really have been training with Ishizuka sensei and the likes, it must be that you are a grown up person, who can appreciate some things like "respect".

[kenninast]

@slapupchrist

Besides: there once was this Thai boxer who disrupted a seminar of a high ranked teacher in the Bujinkan (name known to me, from direct witness, but I won't say the name out of respect for the individual). After quite a long time of him forcing the teacher to spar, the teacher accepted... sending the Thai boxer home on a stretcher. He did a low-kick, and the teacher took it with a boshiken to the groin. End of the story.

[kenninast]

I do NOT say that this is a right, good and proper way to get rid of trouble makers by far! It's not the right spirit! But it worked, and that's the bottom line in this discussion here.

I myself defended myself with a plain ura gyaku as taught in kihon happô against an attacker with a screwdriver. Worked perfectly neat.

I trained with MMA's, jûdôka, karateka and the likes. Never did I get the reply that it wouldn't work. Only critics I received is that it's not intensively enough for them.

[slapupchrist]

Anecdotes and more anecdotes, kenninast. that's all Bujinkan supporters have to support their ridiculous so-called martial art. All modern martial arts have realistic training on video for people to see.

The Bujinkan just has anecdotes. Don't bother, son. Only preaching to the converted will make your anecdotes worthwhile.

Video evidence, please. Otherwise, have fun with your LARPing and leave the rational thinking to people who prefer to believe in proven things, rather than anecdotes.

[kenninast]

@slapupchrist

Ok... go and have your peace. 

[rab877]

@slapupchrist @slapupchrist Charles Daniel? Bud Malmstrom? Jack Hoban? Phil Legare? So you were graded to Rokku Dan? How did it feel to take the Sakki test? Post a video of it I would like to see it please

[slapupchrist]

rab877, you ask how it felt to take the sakki test.

Well, firstly, it felt like kneeling in front of an old man who was holding onto a pretend weapon and the rolling to the side when I'd decided he was about to cut. Secondly, there is no such thing as sakki. It is a myth that is just as silly as levitation and astral travel.

In the real world, we use our physical senses to avoid danger and only lucky guesswork can get us out of trouble any other way.

[rab877]

@slapupchrist maybe it really wassnt the Bujinkan that is the problem as much as it was yourself.

[slapupchrist]

rab877, I suppose you could apply the same logic to anything that anyone criticises.

[slapupchrist]

mrdubcrazy, the whole of the Bujinkan is just totally ridiculous.

The Bujinkan gets its notoriety by being unproven and unrealistic. Yet, it also gets its support by being unproven. You see, the thousands of deluded guys out there who love Hatsumi support him and his teachings based on the following: "He's Japanese, he's old, he trained with Takamatsu, and THERE'S NO PROOF THAT HIS DENSHO DON'T EXIST"...

So, Buj ninjers use NO PROOF as a means of... um... proof???

Ninjers... LOL!!!

[ninjutsuHH]

no wonder that nobody takes ninjutsu for real.

what a shame.....

thats not ninjutsu

[fureisenjin]

@ninjutsuHH Check this watch?v=wJop1_U2lq8

[ninjutsuHH]

@fureisenjin thank you so much. you made my day. thats awesome hahah

[mdiem]

@ninjutsuHH

Could you please point out where what was shown in that video was claimed to be ninjutsu?

You might accidentally be responding to a different video, or...

just spamming up the comments of every Bujinkan related video.

[ninjutsuHH]

@mdiem  we dont spam videos,. to make it cle

ar you kill the name of ninjutsu

with the things you present here. call it bujinkan budo taijutsu but please not ninjutsu

[bizitch71717]

are they actually serious? i was kind of having a bad day. this makes it better.

[Rich0008]

more Bujinkan larping. so sad. It's amazing so many people have fallen for this fraudulent art that passes itself off as effective self-defense.

[slapupchrist]

Surely the uke wouldn't move like he's doing if this was real life combat.

His arm can move independently of his body, so the only think that would move is his arm. He wouldn't go for a dive just because someone pushed his arm with a stick.

I'm afraid this is pure LARPing.

[mdiem]

If he moves his arm without moving his body, he's going to get that stick in the face.

[slapupchrist]

mdiem, the point is that the uke is moving his whole body as if it is being manipulated by the stick touching his arm. It's silly and it is not at all realistic. In real life, he would straighten his body and either grab the stick or take his arm away.