It must be realized that the separation between church and state was established and put into place with the intention of keeping the state out of the Church and not the other way around.
Many people actually believe the "myth of separation" Its been widely spread by the media and schools for many years. Repeated so much, that people now believe it.
It began in 1947 when radical judges began a new interpretation of a letter by Jefferson. They ruled that "separation" would be the new standard, and cited ZERO legal precedents. (how could they find a precedent, there were NONE)
Prior to 1947, church/state were mixed often, for >150 years. Anyone can research and find the truth
Having watched John Lennox debate Dawkins and get him to admit that deism could be an option,although it's not one he agrees with and then beat Hitchens in a debate in Edinburgh,are you telling me he isn't a free thinker?There are two problems with the new atheism,1 it isn't new and 2 it's arrogant and arrogance invariably leads to violence.
Right, because so many atheists are convicted of crimes and incite violence. Most people in the "new atheism" take humanist philosophies, including me.
Any assertion that absolutely God does not exist,is as absurd as an assertion that absolutely God does exist,as both statements,in order to have any validity,would need,as a precondition,for the claimant to be un-limited,omniscient (God) and aware of all time (past,present,and future) and space.The only truly honest statement is "I don't know" if God exists (the agnostic position) or not...but "i believe......." Get your fucking head on straight,before making claims of "rationality"!
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Imagine the irrational thoughts one must entertain in order to believe that science hums along just fine and then seems to stumble ONLY on just the very issues touched on by the Bible. Everywhere else, creationist are perfectly happy with the products of science. But everywhere their Bible has made claims, science just seems to fall flat on its face.
How does one maintain such a belief without noticing the irrationality necessary to hold it?
Why not? You apparently have a better explanation for the observed correlation between galactic redshift and distance, the distribution of elements in the universe, and the formation and structure of the cosmic microwave background radiation?
The correlation between the red shift and the distance itself is debatable and has been debated,however,scientists completely ignore the opposing arguments,like they don't exist.The formation and structure of cosmic microwave background,all that proves is that there is microwave background,that's it.How does knowing this things,prove they created themselves?Now,open your brain for a second.All scientists have proved is this,the universe was CREATED,which the Bible has been saying from day 1.
demoniclordwizard, - RE: "red shift and the distance itself... has been debated"
Unsuccessfully. - RE: "scientists completely ignore the opposing arguments"
Because they violate the evidence and science methodology. In science the conclusion must follow the evidence. In what you're promoting, the evidence is sought only if it supports a pre-conceived conclusion. - RE: "all that proves is that there is microwave background"
No, it shows the pattern matches calculations based on Big Bang.
Evolution and the big bang violates and outright rapes the science methodology,and scientists are perfectly fine with it.And about all this scientific gay shit , didn't earth just have a close encounter with an asteroid a couple of days ago , an asteroid the scientific method had not seen , untill only around a week before it was to pass by us.
If scientists cannot even see asteroids which are floating around us in space , how can you trust God's existence on their ability to see/detect him.
Evolution is backed by more evidence than the theory of gravity and not refuted by a single piece of credible evidence. In science methodology, that places it at the top of the credibility scale.
Big Bang seemed a bit shaky a few decades ago, but still coincided with all of the evidence, qualifying it as a "theory". Since the actual mapping of MBR, the evidence is irrefutable and completely in accord with science methodology.
Look into the sun and tell me how many asteroids you can see.
No it isn't. All of the evidence for evolution is really nothing more than circumstantial evidence , and most of it is BIASED. Have you heard of the new theory where supposedly the cromagnums(i think it was those) shrunk to mini humans , and now they say we do not come from them , but rather gigantos something. I mean , are you serious man , you believe this shit ? Now they say there were many types of humanoids back then , but only we made it. Yeah , this is true science , right ? LMFAO
The reason you see so much evidence for evolution is because scientists have put a lot of effort into it's promotion,and have accepted it since before the evidence.Thus,any research and findings they have , they always find a way to fit into the evolution theory which they already hold as true , therefore any finding has to explain evolution in one way or another. If you look at all the findings themselves , without that bias , the story the facts present is a much different one. OPEN YOUR EYES.
So you're another who believes that somehow, scientists all over the globe, are inter-connected and secretly plotting to promote evolution, rather than doing so because it's sound, fully evidenced and demonstrable?
Start by explaining why humans and chimpanzees have several identical viral insertions (ERVs), in their DNA, at exactly the same places with over 220-million pairs from which to choose. See how well you do with that single piece of evidence. Then maybe we'll move on.
that is just as much evidence for the same creator, not that we come from common ancestry. We are 86-98% similar to chimpanzees in our DNA structure, 50% similar to a banana! The 2% of our DNA which is different has nothing to do with the way our physical features develop (our phenotype) and so the question arises of why we are so physically, psychologically, anatomically different to apes, despite our similarities, this is one of many questions that evolutionists don't/can't answer.
I'm not sure from where you have received this "information" but it's very clear that it's not from a source of any credibility. Everything about our physical features is encoded in DNA. Even the number of replications of the first neuron in a developing embryo is encoded in DNA. In a sea slug, the number is 12. In a chimp it's 35 and in a human it's 37 - a mere two extra replications. You need to do some real research before you come forward with more creationist falsehoods.
1) the fossil record of change in earlier species 2) the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms 3) the geographic distribution of related species 4) the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations - ALL PROOVE that EVOLUTON is as much a FACT as GRAVITY! which by the way is also a theory.
Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof. ~ Ashley Montague
It's not your fault that your knowledge of the evidence is so sparse. That's pretty common among creationists. But there's nothing circumstantial about observed speciation and I think even you can see that, no matter how much you wish you couldn't.
As for the rest of your claimed "theories", it's clear you don't understand what constitutes a 'theory" in the science realm as nothing you mentioned even begins to qualify. The real evidence and theories are so compelling that you avoid them.
I agree. I have 2 scientist, 2 MD's. and an archeologist between my dad, sister and brothers. They all say a theory is a theory and it is bad science when it's sold as fact. Which is what all these uneducated pseudo intellectuals do. They read a few books and take a biology class in college an think they know it all.The fact is that when the equation does not match their theory, they simply throw in a few extra billion years to make sense of it. Then they throw a few more billions just in case.
The equation is not my relatives. It comes from your side of the table buddy. My relatives simply point that out. Read the context and stay within it's bounds.
"The fact is that when the equation does not match their theory, they simply throw in a few extra billion years to make sense of it."
They refer to the equations of your fellow apes.
Hence, it is your fellow apes who fiddle with bad science and fling the poo and everyone else. Do you need billions of years to make sense of it?
Tho I have a degree, where in my comments did I mention ME having science degrees? hmm? You need to read carefully & respond accordingly & stay withing the boundaries of the text and think before you wright anything. I said nothing about me having any science degrees you silly rabbit. I see you lack the rational to even begin to fathom the concept to beginning a Junior college course in science & English for that matter. The only way you'll step into college is to clock in and mop the floors.
Lol, what does that have to do with the argument? You don't really have a good argument, so that's why you spend your time trying to divert attention elsewhere.
What ever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better. I addressed the issue at hand in relevance to your last comment. The rest was just Icing on the cake.
When you show a glimpse of intelligence I will give way and shut up. But as of this writing I would only be insulting the extinct species of arthropods if I were to call you an Unevolutionized Trilobite.
He IS bald, evidence 1, Exhibit A- look at his vids and confirm. What more proof moron? You are the worst unevolutionized Trilobite in this post. See, I DO have proof of my theory. He's got none. YOU LOSE goofy, now return to play your video games and ghost and goblins role plays.You obviously did no research before your post. Typical Idiot, no surprise here. Pffff. "canibalgofer" LOL, what a name what a name... I bet YOU are a virgin Trekkie, no theory, just observation, and yes I'm an asshole.
A religious person making fun of a man for being crippled in sight and loss of hair...how Godly of you...Maybe you should get on your dinosaur and go to church and pray fro forgiveness.
Straw man argument with a hint of guilt trip. Let be clear son. Tho I do believe in a creator, I never said I was a good christian , catholic or Jew. Get out of here with those comments. They are observations and rebuttals to his . Even Jesus would agree that my theory on his baldness is true. Wow, I wonder where you got the religious part from. LOL.... BTW, Rabidape and I had a small chat back and forth and I believe we're cool now. As stated below, he has a good sense of humor. Now hush......
@8av8today I probably shouldn't get into this, but I have a nit-pick. That's not the way theory works in science. You don't make a theory and say it's right until proven wrong. A theory is when you have evidence and you explain that evidence and make predictions. What you did, was make a guess. It is closer to a hypothesis (and educated guess), but it's only a hypothesis if you've made a previous observation that youtubers are lifeless trekkie nerds.
By equation I meant the Big bang theory, and evolution.
Who are they? Well many scientist that eat a theory as truth but personally, the other scientist my siblings work along sides. And at a deep personal level, most of my college professors who then had to cancel class because an astronomy theory was just debunked and now have to come up with a new one. That happens all the time in science buddy. We are fed theories as truth but forget that they are just theories. THEORIES! Not fact.
i would love to hear your thought on the schooling taking out creationism in schools and teaching out kids about we are evolved from apes.. First i would like to point out that creationism is just a theory such as being evolved from apes.there is NO prof that we are from apes and if we where from apes would there still be apes around. so that's just a theory same as science that's just all best guess no prof how we know a atom is not real. there is NO prof of anything so it should not be removed
i just strongly believe in facts and there is no facts that we have evolved from apes to man as well as there is not proof from creationism but i do believe in god. i respect your choice im not trying to change you that's your choice. but i was just wondering about that if you can hit me back i would really like to discuss this with you.
That is completely NOT how evolution works. Evolution is merely the adaptive response to a being's surroundings. Would a tropical bird evolve to have blubber like their penguin cousins? Of course not, they're in the tropics! So why is that EVERY ape must have turned into a human for evolution to be true? No there is no proof, just nearly 99% identical genomes, that's all. Evolution is NOT just a theory (anymore), we see it working all the time. Ever wonder why the flu changes nearly every year?
true the flu does change i have been reading it but i belive that the big bang theory is well just a theory as well. and evolution i still don't quite understand but i am trying to wideing my mind and try to understand everything. yes our Genomes are 99% the same but what about pigs tho did they not say that we are more the same to pigs then apes? im just trying to understand im not trying to make fun or anything in that nature. thanks a mil.
Yes I will definitely agree that the Big Bang is a theory, however, we are finding new and supportive evidence for its confirmation ALL the time. Timothy Ferris' book "The Whole Shebang" does a beautiful job of explaining how/when/why the Big Bang is what it is today. I would need to do some research into the human-pig genome similarities, sorry I can't address that right now. Evolution actually has a staggering amount of data to be able to move it away from being just a "theory" is what I mean.
aww i get you mate i think i will pick up that book. i am not going to say there is no evolution or there is because to be honest to both of us we don't really know anything. we may think we do but we truly don't know jack shit. you must agree with me on that. but im trying to make my own option on the subject and i thank you for your help mate.
Brilliant. My respect for you has grown yet more! Free thinking and rational thaught should ALWAYS take place over religouse dogama. This is what we need to remind the US and many other countries.
Atheists may succeed in abolishing our freedom to practice religion in America, but the victory will be short lived. Just when it appears that the last vestiges of that "primitive superstition" has faded from view, it will rise once again and speak to those who will be willing to listen (Rev. 11:7-11).
Christianity blossoms and thrives, not during economic prosperity, but in tribulation. Paradoxically, the harder it's suppressed and resisted, the more likely it will overcome.
"Freedom of religion", in the context of the U.S. Constitution, means freedom to practice religion without government interference. It also means that government not take preference for any one religion since that will lead to the very conditions the Founding Fathers had fled Europe to begin with.
"Freedom from religion" will mean that I can't freely practice my religion in your presence...and so I couldn't really be free if you had your way..that will mean that we are back to Europe 1700 A.D.
Let's hypothetically say my religion was actively disbelieving in a god.
How would this be protected under the constitution?
Freedom from religion does not mean that you cannot practise your religion. It means: Nothing that you do because of your religion should have any effect on my life, whatsoever. You are to make no laws based on your religious beliefs, you cannot claim something true or false solely on your religion.
to each of His disciples, Jesus simply said 'follow me.' that was an invitation, not a reqirement. an invitation respects the freedom of the invitee to accept or decline. indeed, the 'no' answer is perhaps the greatest expression of human dignity possible. that men and women can go to heaven is an expression of God's love; that they can go to hell is an expression of the value he places on their freedom.
so you are free to think as you wish, no restraints from us.
This issue is so tedious and hardly anybody ever gets it right, so here goes: The First Amendment prohibits a state religion, which also means prohibiting any laws or policies that imply endorsement of religion(s). It has nothing to do with the involvement of religious persons or groups in politics. Whether someone votes or advocates for laws, etc from a secular or religious perspective is constitutuionally irrelevant--it is the POLICIES or LAWS that may be unconstitutional. Got it, everyone??
When youre trying to push your nonbeliefs to other people its really the same old same old.. You want to be "freeminded" and a free thinker. You dislike that religious people push there beliefs on other people (correct me if im wrong) .. And at the same time theres people holding up signs like "Stop belief now" ?
Whats up with that? . Separate church from state - YES!
But people should be able to think whatever they want. If someone wants to believe in something crazy, they should be able to.
Oh, yes I totally agree. We in sweden dont have the same kind of christianity as in the states, religion isnt in any way mixed into politics or our culture.. If others beliefs are interfering with your life - Nevermind my first comment :P
Its too bad thou that you have the view that christianity is the same thing as being a republican. Jesus was very political, but not in that direction I would argue, quiet the opposite.
Very glad that you guys got Obama as president now, hope he can fix that broken country of urs.
christians have to pray for a brain... still, thinking rational depends entirely of ourselves... soo , is there still hope for this individuals ??
actually, i don't give a shit if they do or don't, as long as they keep their retarded serial killer god to themselves.
MY ONLY CONCERN is for this fuckers to stop the abuse and the inquisitional behavior they are still inflicting in the politics of our society and the world.
You're wrong on two fronts, Pro. First, Jefferson was President when the Danbury Baptist Association wrote their letter to him. Second, Congress voted to have 10,000 Christian Bibles printed and distributed to the people. Arno Press, in 1968, printed a reproduction of this Bible. Inside the front cover was an endorsement of the Bible by Congress. Go ahead. Check it out.
Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
The "wall of separation between church & state" was a line delivered by Thos. Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists Assoc. to assure them that the STATE wasn't going to establish a church a la King Henry VIII. Mr. Jefferson held no office at the time. Christianity has no influence on members of Congress, quite the contrary. Christians have lost every major court case since 1947: school prayer, Sunday laws, homosexual "marriage," & aborticide.
Jesus no doubt did exist as a man, and he brought an element of kindness and compassion to religion so i respect him for that. I'm pretty much an agnostic though, i believe in a energy based soul, that changes form when you die. Just as energy does, it doesnt just dissapear and i like to think there may be other forms of life experience again after death to i admit that youre life as you understand it is over upon death.
I am a Christian who believes in the separation of chruch and state and evolution. True Christians do not judge other people, unless they be judged by the same measure!! The basic Christian believes in the saving on humanity by the grace of our lord and savior Jesus. It's just that simple. I will not judge you for being athiest or agnostic. I will only pray for you. No hatred here.
No he was being honest and straight forward - the problem is that he picked illiterate sheep herders to voice his word...hence the nonsensical, contradictory nature of the Bible.
if god is all knowing why did he pick these illeterate sheep herders? After all, he made them, so he should have know they would mess up his words right?
He actually meant to talk to the sheep, but the herders were always around and they hijacked the message. As it stands, the sheep are actually living their lives as God intended and we primates are just making a fool of ourselves. Why are members of a church called "sheep" or "flock"? Therein lies the truth.
So the next time you sit down and have a lamb chop, realize that every bite you swallow equates to about 10,000 years in hell.
ok, let me get this straight, god meant to tell all the stories that are now in the bible, to a bunch of sheep. so, had all that gone to plan their would be no bible right? and if their is no bible how is their religion? if their is no religion how would one know of god?
He forgot to tell the sheep how to write, otherwise we would have the sheep bible, which would be a lot shorter than the current one - focusing on eating, sleeping and reproducing. It's not like god is expected to remember EVERYTHING...he has a very busy schedule - what with the "Creatures of Mythological Origin Beauty Pageant" and the expensive time spent script writing for "24".
It's pretty easy for me. I don't believe that the Bible is a scientific book. I am a Christian because I believe that Jesus Christ is the lord and savior of mankind. That's pretty plain and simple. Now I believe in evolution, because I am a scientist. I even believe in the big bang!!! Evolution does not stop at the beginning of life on this planet. It continues back though time in the creation of elements in stars and creation of matter from the big bang. Behind that is God!
whats hard for me to understand is how one can believe in jesus and god because of the bible but everything after isnt "scientific" therefore can be interpreted in any convieniant way
I understand where you are comming from. I am a scientist; a chemist to be exact. If you look at the universe with a scientific eye, then yes there is no "proof today" for a God. As a scientist I would say that would be a correct statement. I would also agree that most of the old testiment is historically FALSE. It just didn't happen that way. The main part of the Bible for me is the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus. I guess that is why they call it faith.
Yes, I think that is what I said. I think the purpose of my original post is to say that there are educated scientists that believe in God and science at the same time. I too believe in the seperation of Church and State. I can accept you the way you are and your beliefs. Can you accept me?
I believe if you don't attend church your not really religious your just kidding yourself. Also your more Atheist than you'd like to admit, probably because in the back of your mind your thinking what if there is a god I might go to hell. Not gonna happen and in your rational brain you know it but the brainwashing you've had since birth has filled you with doubt. Admit it there is an Atheist in us all! The leaders classical history are dead they can't control you with these myth's anymore.Peace!
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A recent study found that the overwhelimng percentage of self proclaimed atheists found to actually believe in God when taking a lie detector test. Atheists are truly the anti God religion.
A recent study found that the overwhelming percentage of self proclaimed followers of Way of the Master found to have actually wanted to initially be part of a kung fu fan club when taking a lie detector test. The Way of the Master just fooled them after wards to become creationists. I mean, how do you explain the name VenomFangX?
HAHA, your joking aren't you. You have to be. Most people would like to believe in a being of such power that he could bestow eternal life upon us, but that doesn't mean that we actually believe he exists. Also if this test was accurate all it would prove to the Atheist is that he's Agnostic which basically means they hasn't quite lost the fear of the brainwashing that he might go to hell if he doesn't believe. Don't worry though his children will be Atheist :-)
I haven't seen anything God has done, the years I have lived. I can't see God, I can't hear what he says. God is imaginary.
Btw when you listen to what a person says, you shouldn't follow it blindly, you should use your brain and use logic. This is what christians do not do. You just read the bible and go "yep, God is probably right" You read Leviticus 20:13 and go "yiiihoo!! I'ma kill me some fags now, 'cause that's what God wants. BILLY! Go get my shotgun" redneck fuck!
I have a question, and its just a question, I myself am an Aignostic.
Lets say that ~500 years from now the Human race is a race of Space Explorers, and in our travels we meet many species of Aliens. But in our journey, we run across a creature that doesn't live on a planet, it drifts through space under its own power because it attained sentinence. It was the first thing to realize " I think therefore I am".
You would have found the space going creature from episode 90 (season 4) of star trek: the next generation. it existed completely independent of any planet and fed off of energy.
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True atheism does NOT exist. So-called atheists are either angry at God and therefore say he's non-existent or they deem themselves a god. Either way, the concept of a superior being is involved.
Go to Youtube and type in "Dsouza Dennett debate".
Atheists don't believe they are gods. That would be ridiculous, as we are all human, and nothing else. Not believing in a god does not make us gods.
Atheists also cannot have the capacity to be "angry" with something that they do not believe exists. I can't be mad at radioactive space bunnies, because radioactive space bunnies don't exist.
you are quite possibly the stupidest person i have yet to encounter on the whole of the internet. to be angry at something would require that you acknowledge that something's existence. secondly, atheists don't deem themselves god, we simply put human logical faculty above the mindless babbling of idiots and charlatans from thousands of years ago. our only real anger is at the unfounded superior attitudes of the morons who follow the simpleton's doctrine of religion.
Christians are the ones with "superior attitudes" yet you're calling people "idiots" & "morons" just because they have the temerity to believe differently than you?
first off, not just christians. all religious people have a level of condescending arrogance that is completely untenable. second, i do respect peoples' differences in opinion about things like politics, philosophy, art and other esoteric, humanist disciplines. however, when it comes to the heartless, thoughtless twattle of 'religion' i simply can't muster up the supposedly requisite respect. i don't respect outdated, wildly contradictory, evidenceless idiocy concocted by madmen.
Ok,18 minutes and 42 seconds of...what? What did you disprove about my assumptions, now confirmed, of you? 18 minutes of you talking about your BELIEF that no god exists, and you shouldn't be called atheist....even though, you don't believe any god exists, just for the sake of soundbites in a religous debate. It's honestly as if I watched Bill O'Reilly talk about his support for the Iraq war. It's just.....amazing is a rather dissapointing way. By the way, was loving the generalizations.
"Dare I".....oh my, the almighty dare! Err no. I'm Christain, who leans towards some of Buddha's teaching's, some mind you. Given that Buddhism is more about morals then religon. Now...how would you say that you believe that no god exists, but not be considered atheist? Unless, for some reason, the definition changed?
"Now...how would you say that you believe that no god exists, but not be considered atheist?"
That depends on what one means by 'god' - I don't write off the possibility of a "mysterious something", but I have yet to be convinced by the doctrinal claims of any religion.
I feel that it is a fairly apt description, but I am discovering that it is riddled with 'strategic difficulties' - as this conversation is beautifully illustrating.
But, for the time being, you would indeed say you had no current belief in any god, therfore you'd be classed as such. I don't care if you nit pick at it all you want, just don't go talking about generalizations when "Religon" has become the umbrella in which all beliefs, except for atheism, have gone under, according to the main contingent of atheists.
I think the funniest part about the "atheist" movement is how they bunch every religon together. Are you catholic? Doesn't matter to atheists, you're shoved up against Islam who has the worst track record of any religon for violence. Christain? We don't care! Let's stick you near Catholics, who persecuted Christains under Nero. This is what we call a stereotype. It's a well known sign of ignorance.
I sure hope you don't consider yerself a Christian puresrtrash cause if you do then you have broken a Christian rule by judging athiests AND Muslims in one fail swoop with this comment - Judge not lest ye be judged !
You wouldn't know really. Just as you judge anyone with more knowledge then yourself as crazy. Of course, you will answer "I don't care, I'm atheist...lulz". But, that's a representation of your fundamentalist group. So yeah...
Which would be what, exactly? Can you tell me the mailing address of the headquarters? What is the central dogma?
"3. strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles"
If you're gonna frame it that way, who ISN'T a fundamentalist? If you stretch the meaning of a word to where it can mean anything, then it effectively means nothing.
No...no...that wouldn't be atheist. Do I need to pull up the definition of atheist for you? Because I don't seen any atheist saying Islam is false and Christains are right. Or Catholics are right and Christains wrong. That doesn't make sense. If you are an atheist, you simply BELIEVE there is no god or higher power.
(I'm going to assume that you do believe that Elvis is dead, that you don't believe in astrology, and lack a belief in the Great Flaptarjankuon, who I just made up.)
Are you a fundamentalist Dead-Elvisist?
Are you a fundamentalist non-astrologer?
Are you a fundamentalist aflaptarjankuonist?
Does the fact that you BELIEVE that Elvis is dead really say anything about you?
Well one problem with your conception is you think I actually care whether Elvis is dead, alive, or walking around half dead. That aside, I suppose I would be a fundamentalist. See, you seem to think "Fundamentalist" is some media sponsored word for evil, terror, or negative groups. I see it as a universal term, which, it is.
"See, you seem to think "Fundamentalist" is some media sponsored word for evil, terror, or negative groups. I see it as a universal term, which, it is."
If it's a universal non-evil term, why do you throw it around like it's an insult?
My point is, if it's NOT negative, if it IS 'universal', then you're not really saying or explaining much when you throw it around like that, and we are wasting our time quibbling over the finer points.
I'm done yapping at you for now. I think anyone who takes the time to click "see all comments" can put two and two together.
Please watch this video and get back to me before you try to argue with me about what my position is:
"I think the funniest part about the 'atheist' movement is how they bunch every religon together"
There isn't a cohesive, central, defined 'atheist movement'.
Your comment is particularly ironic because you are effectively bunching every atheist together, when the only thing we all have in common is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
(I fight against false beliefs and dogmatism, which tends to bring me into conflict with particular claims of various religions.)
That's one of your followers....so said the other one. You haven't denied this form of collevtivism either. If Atheism denied collectivism, then they would acknowledge religon based on the category, and not "Religon" as a whole.
Damn I fell for it.
GoSuMonSteR 1 year ago
It must be realized that the separation between church and state was established and put into place with the intention of keeping the state out of the Church and not the other way around.
MrOphachew 1 year ago
Many people actually believe the "myth of separation" Its been widely spread by the media and schools for many years. Repeated so much, that people now believe it.
It began in 1947 when radical judges began a new interpretation of a letter by Jefferson. They ruled that "separation" would be the new standard, and cited ZERO legal precedents. (how could they find a precedent, there were NONE)
Prior to 1947, church/state were mixed often, for >150 years. Anyone can research and find the truth
romansten9 1 year ago
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'" (Psalm 14:1)
GaryLyons 1 year ago
@GaryLyons Ignorant people follow sheep herder manuals from thousands of years ago.
csnowutube 6 months ago
Having watched John Lennox debate Dawkins and get him to admit that deism could be an option,although it's not one he agrees with and then beat Hitchens in a debate in Edinburgh,are you telling me he isn't a free thinker?There are two problems with the new atheism,1 it isn't new and 2 it's arrogant and arrogance invariably leads to violence.
Breedoe 2 years ago
Right, because so many atheists are convicted of crimes and incite violence. Most people in the "new atheism" take humanist philosophies, including me.
unearth19 1 year ago
YouTube has made all idiots "think" they're somebody because their video has been watched by others...???
35 on this video.
Delparm 2 years ago
Any assertion that absolutely God does not exist,is as absurd as an assertion that absolutely God does exist,as both statements,in order to have any validity,would need,as a precondition,for the claimant to be un-limited,omniscient (God) and aware of all time (past,present,and future) and space.The only truly honest statement is "I don't know" if God exists (the agnostic position) or not...but "i believe......." Get your fucking head on straight,before making claims of "rationality"!
godot93 2 years ago
I can has greydon square?
canibalgofer 2 years ago
if these "free thinkers' were so smart they could get up and give a speech not read a bunch of jibber jabber.
DrHogfan 2 years ago
That's what the bible is...jibber jabber....
axeman7000 2 years ago
Wow, there was like 12 people there...what a rally!!
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Catesdsd 2 years ago
Imagine the irrational thoughts one must entertain in order to believe that science hums along just fine and then seems to stumble ONLY on just the very issues touched on by the Bible. Everywhere else, creationist are perfectly happy with the products of science. But everywhere their Bible has made claims, science just seems to fall flat on its face.
How does one maintain such a belief without noticing the irrationality necessary to hold it?
Beastt17 2 years ago
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Separation of state and church , don't we already have that ? What are this baboons making such a fuzz about ?
Should religion be taught in schools ? No
Should evolution be taught in schools? No
Should the big bang be taught in schools ? No
Should our knowledge of planets and our universe be taught in school ? Yes
There is no need to mix science with religion (evolution) and teach it to our children.
Evolution = New age religion
demoniclordwizard 2 years ago
"Should the big bang be taught in schools ? No"
Why not? You apparently have a better explanation for the observed correlation between galactic redshift and distance, the distribution of elements in the universe, and the formation and structure of the cosmic microwave background radiation?
Do tell. I'm all ears.
(and don't even get me started on evolution...)
RabidApe 2 years ago
The correlation between the red shift and the distance itself is debatable and has been debated,however,scientists completely ignore the opposing arguments,like they don't exist.The formation and structure of cosmic microwave background,all that proves is that there is microwave background,that's it.How does knowing this things,prove they created themselves?Now,open your brain for a second.All scientists have proved is this,the universe was CREATED,which the Bible has been saying from day 1.
demoniclordwizard 2 years ago
demoniclordwizard, - RE: "red shift and the distance itself... has been debated"
Unsuccessfully. - RE: "scientists completely ignore the opposing arguments"
Because they violate the evidence and science methodology. In science the conclusion must follow the evidence. In what you're promoting, the evidence is sought only if it supports a pre-conceived conclusion. - RE: "all that proves is that there is microwave background"
No, it shows the pattern matches calculations based on Big Bang.
Beastt17 2 years ago
Evolution and the big bang violates and outright rapes the science methodology,and scientists are perfectly fine with it.And about all this scientific gay shit , didn't earth just have a close encounter with an asteroid a couple of days ago , an asteroid the scientific method had not seen , untill only around a week before it was to pass by us.
If scientists cannot even see asteroids which are floating around us in space , how can you trust God's existence on their ability to see/detect him.
demoniclordwizard 2 years ago
Evolution is backed by more evidence than the theory of gravity and not refuted by a single piece of credible evidence. In science methodology, that places it at the top of the credibility scale.
Big Bang seemed a bit shaky a few decades ago, but still coincided with all of the evidence, qualifying it as a "theory". Since the actual mapping of MBR, the evidence is irrefutable and completely in accord with science methodology.
Look into the sun and tell me how many asteroids you can see.
Beastt17 2 years ago
No it isn't. All of the evidence for evolution is really nothing more than circumstantial evidence , and most of it is BIASED. Have you heard of the new theory where supposedly the cromagnums(i think it was those) shrunk to mini humans , and now they say we do not come from them , but rather gigantos something. I mean , are you serious man , you believe this shit ? Now they say there were many types of humanoids back then , but only we made it. Yeah , this is true science , right ? LMFAO
demoniclordwizard 2 years ago
The reason you see so much evidence for evolution is because scientists have put a lot of effort into it's promotion,and have accepted it since before the evidence.Thus,any research and findings they have , they always find a way to fit into the evolution theory which they already hold as true , therefore any finding has to explain evolution in one way or another. If you look at all the findings themselves , without that bias , the story the facts present is a much different one. OPEN YOUR EYES.
demoniclordwizard 2 years ago
So you're another who believes that somehow, scientists all over the globe, are inter-connected and secretly plotting to promote evolution, rather than doing so because it's sound, fully evidenced and demonstrable?
Start by explaining why humans and chimpanzees have several identical viral insertions (ERVs), in their DNA, at exactly the same places with over 220-million pairs from which to choose. See how well you do with that single piece of evidence. Then maybe we'll move on.
Beastt17 2 years ago
that is just as much evidence for the same creator, not that we come from common ancestry. We are 86-98% similar to chimpanzees in our DNA structure, 50% similar to a banana! The 2% of our DNA which is different has nothing to do with the way our physical features develop (our phenotype) and so the question arises of why we are so physically, psychologically, anatomically different to apes, despite our similarities, this is one of many questions that evolutionists don't/can't answer.
Alexbonaro 2 years ago
Alexbonaro,
I'm not sure from where you have received this "information" but it's very clear that it's not from a source of any credibility. Everything about our physical features is encoded in DNA. Even the number of replications of the first neuron in a developing embryo is encoded in DNA. In a sea slug, the number is 12. In a chimp it's 35 and in a human it's 37 - a mere two extra replications. You need to do some real research before you come forward with more creationist falsehoods.
Beastt17 2 years ago
demoniclordwizard-OPEN YOUR EYES!
1) the fossil record of change in earlier species 2) the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms 3) the geographic distribution of related species 4) the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations - ALL PROOVE that EVOLUTON is as much a FACT as GRAVITY! which by the way is also a theory.
Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty without any proof. ~ Ashley Montague
notjustatheory. com
meow1964 2 years ago
demoniclordwizard - If you could your religion aside for 1 minuet, you would see THE TRUTH! OPEN YOUR EYES 2 the FACTS!!!
meow1964 2 years ago
It's not your fault that your knowledge of the evidence is so sparse. That's pretty common among creationists. But there's nothing circumstantial about observed speciation and I think even you can see that, no matter how much you wish you couldn't.
As for the rest of your claimed "theories", it's clear you don't understand what constitutes a 'theory" in the science realm as nothing you mentioned even begins to qualify. The real evidence and theories are so compelling that you avoid them.
Beastt17 2 years ago
I agree. I have 2 scientist, 2 MD's. and an archeologist between my dad, sister and brothers. They all say a theory is a theory and it is bad science when it's sold as fact. Which is what all these uneducated pseudo intellectuals do. They read a few books and take a biology class in college an think they know it all.The fact is that when the equation does not match their theory, they simply throw in a few extra billion years to make sense of it. Then they throw a few more billions just in case.
8av8today 2 years ago
which equation(s) are you referring to, and who are "they"?
I think the process isn't nearly as ad-hoc as you seem to imply.
Didn't your relatives tel you that fiddling with an equation solely to make it fit a preconceived and unsupported notion is bad science?
RabidApe 2 years ago
Mr. Ape.
The equation is not my relatives. It comes from your side of the table buddy. My relatives simply point that out. Read the context and stay within it's bounds.
"The fact is that when the equation does not match their theory, they simply throw in a few extra billion years to make sense of it."
They refer to the equations of your fellow apes.
Hence, it is your fellow apes who fiddle with bad science and fling the poo and everyone else. Do you need billions of years to make sense of it?
8av8today 2 years ago
"The equation is not my relatives. It comes from your side of the table buddy. "
I don't know what equation you're talking about. Sorry.
RabidApe 2 years ago
I don't believe that you have a degree in science. No scientist I've ever met would utter the stupid nonsense coming from your mouth.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Tho I have a degree, where in my comments did I mention ME having science degrees? hmm? You need to read carefully & respond accordingly & stay withing the boundaries of the text and think before you wright anything. I said nothing about me having any science degrees you silly rabbit. I see you lack the rational to even begin to fathom the concept to beginning a Junior college course in science & English for that matter. The only way you'll step into college is to clock in and mop the floors.
8av8today 2 years ago
Lol, what does that have to do with the argument? You don't really have a good argument, so that's why you spend your time trying to divert attention elsewhere.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
What ever you need to tell yourself to make you feel better. I addressed the issue at hand in relevance to your last comment. The rest was just Icing on the cake.
8av8today 2 years ago
And again, you said absolutely nothing worth consideration. You should remain quiet and let smart people do the debating.
Atheistjeremy 2 years ago
Athiestjeremy...
You're as dumb as a cock. And I don't mean the rooster.
8av8today 2 years ago
Athiestjeremy..
When you show a glimpse of intelligence I will give way and shut up. But as of this writing I would only be insulting the extinct species of arthropods if I were to call you an Unevolutionized Trilobite.
8av8today 2 years ago
8av8today, PLEASE reread our exchange, and answer me:
1) which equation(s) are you talking about?
2) who are "they"?
RabidApe 2 years ago
(I have a theory that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You can prove it wrong by answering those two simple questions.)
RabidApe 2 years ago
RabidApe.
In response to the theory you made about me I will suggest mine.
I have a theory that you are a social lifeless Trekkie who's half bald and half blind, and who's life revolves around his Youtube channel.
(Prove it wrong by providing evidence against my theory.) Wigs and contacts don't count.
8av8today 2 years ago
You're right on the half bald and blind part, but that's about it.
I DO spend a lot of time on teh YT, but it's certainly not ALL I do.
RabidApe 2 years ago
You're a sport and I see you have a sense of humor.
8av8today 2 years ago
Burden of proof 8av8today you lose.
canibalgofer 2 years ago
He IS bald, evidence 1, Exhibit A- look at his vids and confirm. What more proof moron? You are the worst unevolutionized Trilobite in this post. See, I DO have proof of my theory. He's got none. YOU LOSE goofy, now return to play your video games and ghost and goblins role plays.You obviously did no research before your post. Typical Idiot, no surprise here. Pffff. "canibalgofer" LOL, what a name what a name... I bet YOU are a virgin Trekkie, no theory, just observation, and yes I'm an asshole.
8av8today 2 years ago
You make fun of him being bald?????! Wow, such love from a religious person.
You have a lot of horrible comments.
axeman7000 2 years ago
A religious person making fun of a man for being crippled in sight and loss of hair...how Godly of you...Maybe you should get on your dinosaur and go to church and pray fro forgiveness.
axeman7000 2 years ago 5
Straw man argument with a hint of guilt trip. Let be clear son. Tho I do believe in a creator, I never said I was a good christian , catholic or Jew. Get out of here with those comments. They are observations and rebuttals to his . Even Jesus would agree that my theory on his baldness is true. Wow, I wonder where you got the religious part from. LOL.... BTW, Rabidape and I had a small chat back and forth and I believe we're cool now. As stated below, he has a good sense of humor. Now hush......
8av8today 2 years ago
First off, I'm not your son....
I'm not religious either.....
Get out of here with those comments?...you're the only one who can comment on YT?...
Now zip it or I'll bitch slap your ass.
axeman7000 2 years ago
Sure I'll zip it. Now please excuse the brief comment as I have to run to the kennel and put water on your mommas bowl.
8av8today 2 years ago
My Mom died of cancer last week.
axeman7000 2 years ago
@8av8today I probably shouldn't get into this, but I have a nit-pick. That's not the way theory works in science. You don't make a theory and say it's right until proven wrong. A theory is when you have evidence and you explain that evidence and make predictions. What you did, was make a guess. It is closer to a hypothesis (and educated guess), but it's only a hypothesis if you've made a previous observation that youtubers are lifeless trekkie nerds.
chuckinator0 1 year ago
By equation I meant the Big bang theory, and evolution.
Who are they? Well many scientist that eat a theory as truth but personally, the other scientist my siblings work along sides. And at a deep personal level, most of my college professors who then had to cancel class because an astronomy theory was just debunked and now have to come up with a new one. That happens all the time in science buddy. We are fed theories as truth but forget that they are just theories. THEORIES! Not fact.
8av8today 2 years ago
OK, I have confirmation. You don't know what you're talking about. Saying "just a theory" illustrates that.
No further questions.
RabidApe 2 years ago
Wow , you responded right away. You just confirmed MY theory. No further questions.
8av8today 2 years ago
Automatic email notifications and SMS technology are wonderful things.
RabidApe 2 years ago
Wow, I see you erased MY theory right away. Selective evidence is Bad science.
8av8today 2 years ago
If you are suggesting that I have deleted one of your comments, you are mistaken. The YT comment system is atrociously buggy.
RabidApe 2 years ago
Hey, that's great.
8av8today 2 years ago
The constitution is on the table and has taken its last breath. I think it's time to start cpr and revive it.
KENDAWGZEROZERO 2 years ago
I came here cause the thumbnail had titties as expected
RedDaVincy 3 years ago
they made me fall for that too -_-
sj2685 3 years ago 2
BOOBIES!
just2w4tch 3 years ago 2
i would love to hear your thought on the schooling taking out creationism in schools and teaching out kids about we are evolved from apes.. First i would like to point out that creationism is just a theory such as being evolved from apes.there is NO prof that we are from apes and if we where from apes would there still be apes around. so that's just a theory same as science that's just all best guess no prof how we know a atom is not real. there is NO prof of anything so it should not be removed
needtobelazy 3 years ago
i just strongly believe in facts and there is no facts that we have evolved from apes to man as well as there is not proof from creationism but i do believe in god. i respect your choice im not trying to change you that's your choice. but i was just wondering about that if you can hit me back i would really like to discuss this with you.
Thank you.
needtobelazy 3 years ago
That is completely NOT how evolution works. Evolution is merely the adaptive response to a being's surroundings. Would a tropical bird evolve to have blubber like their penguin cousins? Of course not, they're in the tropics! So why is that EVERY ape must have turned into a human for evolution to be true? No there is no proof, just nearly 99% identical genomes, that's all. Evolution is NOT just a theory (anymore), we see it working all the time. Ever wonder why the flu changes nearly every year?
Orbix19 3 years ago
true the flu does change i have been reading it but i belive that the big bang theory is well just a theory as well. and evolution i still don't quite understand but i am trying to wideing my mind and try to understand everything. yes our Genomes are 99% the same but what about pigs tho did they not say that we are more the same to pigs then apes? im just trying to understand im not trying to make fun or anything in that nature. thanks a mil.
needtobelazy 3 years ago
Yes I will definitely agree that the Big Bang is a theory, however, we are finding new and supportive evidence for its confirmation ALL the time. Timothy Ferris' book "The Whole Shebang" does a beautiful job of explaining how/when/why the Big Bang is what it is today. I would need to do some research into the human-pig genome similarities, sorry I can't address that right now. Evolution actually has a staggering amount of data to be able to move it away from being just a "theory" is what I mean.
Orbix19 3 years ago
aww i get you mate i think i will pick up that book. i am not going to say there is no evolution or there is because to be honest to both of us we don't really know anything. we may think we do but we truly don't know jack shit. you must agree with me on that. but im trying to make my own option on the subject and i thank you for your help mate.
needtobelazy 3 years ago
Brilliant. My respect for you has grown yet more! Free thinking and rational thaught should ALWAYS take place over religouse dogama. This is what we need to remind the US and many other countries.
Nightmare060 3 years ago
Atheists may succeed in abolishing our freedom to practice religion in America, but the victory will be short lived. Just when it appears that the last vestiges of that "primitive superstition" has faded from view, it will rise once again and speak to those who will be willing to listen (Rev. 11:7-11).
Christianity blossoms and thrives, not during economic prosperity, but in tribulation. Paradoxically, the harder it's suppressed and resisted, the more likely it will overcome.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
Nobody wants to abolish any of your freedoms. But you have to realize that your freedoms end where my freedoms begin, and we live in a SECULAR nation.
You are free to do as you wish in the privacy of your home and mind. Nobody wants to take that away from you. I don't, at least.
You can keep your religion, but keep it where it belongs. Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion.
RabidApe 3 years ago
"Freedom of religion", in the context of the U.S. Constitution, means freedom to practice religion without government interference. It also means that government not take preference for any one religion since that will lead to the very conditions the Founding Fathers had fled Europe to begin with.
"Freedom from religion" will mean that I can't freely practice my religion in your presence...and so I couldn't really be free if you had your way..that will mean that we are back to Europe 1700 A.D.
cognitivemagic 3 years ago
"I couldn't really be free if you had your way"
Free to do what? What do you think "my way" is? What is it that you're able to do now that you wouldn't be able to if I had "my way"?
(because I'm pretty sure you're mistaken)
RabidApe 3 years ago
Let's hypothetically say my religion was actively disbelieving in a god.
How would this be protected under the constitution?
Freedom from religion does not mean that you cannot practise your religion. It means: Nothing that you do because of your religion should have any effect on my life, whatsoever. You are to make no laws based on your religious beliefs, you cannot claim something true or false solely on your religion.
That's it.
Aaberg123 2 years ago
to each of His disciples, Jesus simply said 'follow me.' that was an invitation, not a reqirement. an invitation respects the freedom of the invitee to accept or decline. indeed, the 'no' answer is perhaps the greatest expression of human dignity possible. that men and women can go to heaven is an expression of God's love; that they can go to hell is an expression of the value he places on their freedom.
so you are free to think as you wish, no restraints from us.
19marino61 3 years ago
what is that song please?
smokeytuesday 3 years ago
It was written and recorded by a couple friends of mine. You can't find it anywhere! :P
RabidApe 3 years ago
This issue is so tedious and hardly anybody ever gets it right, so here goes: The First Amendment prohibits a state religion, which also means prohibiting any laws or policies that imply endorsement of religion(s). It has nothing to do with the involvement of religious persons or groups in politics. Whether someone votes or advocates for laws, etc from a secular or religious perspective is constitutuionally irrelevant--it is the POLICIES or LAWS that may be unconstitutional. Got it, everyone??
booker1959 3 years ago
When youre trying to push your nonbeliefs to other people its really the same old same old.. You want to be "freeminded" and a free thinker. You dislike that religious people push there beliefs on other people (correct me if im wrong) .. And at the same time theres people holding up signs like "Stop belief now" ?
Whats up with that? . Separate church from state - YES!
But people should be able to think whatever they want. If someone wants to believe in something crazy, they should be able to.
nitarna 3 years ago
"(correct me if im wrong)"
Keep in mind the kind of "pushing" that's being done, and by whom.
Nobody is trying to get "God is Dead" printed on our currency.
Nobody is trying to put the words "over God" in the pledge.
Nobody gets a tax-write off for being an atheist.
No atheist is trying to LEGISLATE what is allowed in the privacy of your own home or body.
We are free to speak. You are free to not listen and go on about your day.
Need I say more?
RabidApe 3 years ago
Oh, yes I totally agree. We in sweden dont have the same kind of christianity as in the states, religion isnt in any way mixed into politics or our culture.. If others beliefs are interfering with your life - Nevermind my first comment :P
nitarna 3 years ago
Its too bad thou that you have the view that christianity is the same thing as being a republican. Jesus was very political, but not in that direction I would argue, quiet the opposite.
Very glad that you guys got Obama as president now, hope he can fix that broken country of urs.
nitarna 3 years ago
christians have to pray for a brain... still, thinking rational depends entirely of ourselves... soo , is there still hope for this individuals ??
actually, i don't give a shit if they do or don't, as long as they keep their retarded serial killer god to themselves.
MY ONLY CONCERN is for this fuckers to stop the abuse and the inquisitional behavior they are still inflicting in the politics of our society and the world.
luxunity 3 years ago
You're wrong on two fronts, Pro. First, Jefferson was President when the Danbury Baptist Association wrote their letter to him. Second, Congress voted to have 10,000 Christian Bibles printed and distributed to the people. Arno Press, in 1968, printed a reproduction of this Bible. Inside the front cover was an endorsement of the Bible by Congress. Go ahead. Check it out.
Doowopharmony 3 years ago
Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live.
-Thomas Jefferson
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
The "wall of separation between church & state" was a line delivered by Thos. Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists Assoc. to assure them that the STATE wasn't going to establish a church a la King Henry VIII. Mr. Jefferson held no office at the time. Christianity has no influence on members of Congress, quite the contrary. Christians have lost every major court case since 1947: school prayer, Sunday laws, homosexual "marriage," & aborticide.
procommenter 3 years ago
Jesus no doubt did exist as a man, and he brought an element of kindness and compassion to religion so i respect him for that. I'm pretty much an agnostic though, i believe in a energy based soul, that changes form when you die. Just as energy does, it doesnt just dissapear and i like to think there may be other forms of life experience again after death to i admit that youre life as you understand it is over upon death.
BVargas78 3 years ago
did reason make those delicious breasts?no!GOD did!thank you LORD GOD!
gibsongold1970 3 years ago
Jefferson seems to the favorite founding father among freethinkers.
LordMalice6d9 3 years ago
I think TJ is a pretty cool guy, eh builds that wall and doesn't afraid of anything.
RabidApe 3 years ago
Great speech. Expertly done, and some excellent points put accross to the fairy-tale believers :)
Has anyone got any idea what that funky tune is that comes in half way through, by the way??
KarateCritic 3 years ago
thanks!
(the music is an original recording done by a couple of my friends)
RabidApe 3 years ago
Boobies !!!!!
KarateCritic 3 years ago
Nice tits, honey.
RedDaVincy 3 years ago
I am a Christian who believes in the separation of chruch and state and evolution. True Christians do not judge other people, unless they be judged by the same measure!! The basic Christian believes in the saving on humanity by the grace of our lord and savior Jesus. It's just that simple. I will not judge you for being athiest or agnostic. I will only pray for you. No hatred here.
reagan01 3 years ago
thats great!
where does it say that in the bible?
sum1unxpected 3 years ago
how can a christian believe in evolution? it contradicts absolutely everything in the bible
abard123 3 years ago
only if you take it all literally
RabidApe 3 years ago
its "literally" the word of god isnt it? or was the big guy just being sarchastic?
abard123 3 years ago
depends on who you ask...
XD
RabidApe 3 years ago
if its not the word of god why believe it?
abard123 3 years ago
No he was being honest and straight forward - the problem is that he picked illiterate sheep herders to voice his word...hence the nonsensical, contradictory nature of the Bible.
1n354a 3 years ago
if god is all knowing why did he pick these illeterate sheep herders? After all, he made them, so he should have know they would mess up his words right?
abard123 3 years ago
He actually meant to talk to the sheep, but the herders were always around and they hijacked the message. As it stands, the sheep are actually living their lives as God intended and we primates are just making a fool of ourselves. Why are members of a church called "sheep" or "flock"? Therein lies the truth.
So the next time you sit down and have a lamb chop, realize that every bite you swallow equates to about 10,000 years in hell.
1n354a 3 years ago
ok, let me get this straight, god meant to tell all the stories that are now in the bible, to a bunch of sheep. so, had all that gone to plan their would be no bible right? and if their is no bible how is their religion? if their is no religion how would one know of god?
abard123 3 years ago
He forgot to tell the sheep how to write, otherwise we would have the sheep bible, which would be a lot shorter than the current one - focusing on eating, sleeping and reproducing. It's not like god is expected to remember EVERYTHING...he has a very busy schedule - what with the "Creatures of Mythological Origin Beauty Pageant" and the expensive time spent script writing for "24".
1n354a 3 years ago
It's pretty easy for me. I don't believe that the Bible is a scientific book. I am a Christian because I believe that Jesus Christ is the lord and savior of mankind. That's pretty plain and simple. Now I believe in evolution, because I am a scientist. I even believe in the big bang!!! Evolution does not stop at the beginning of life on this planet. It continues back though time in the creation of elements in stars and creation of matter from the big bang. Behind that is God!
reagan01 3 years ago
whats hard for me to understand is how one can believe in jesus and god because of the bible but everything after isnt "scientific" therefore can be interpreted in any convieniant way
abard123 3 years ago
I understand where you are comming from. I am a scientist; a chemist to be exact. If you look at the universe with a scientific eye, then yes there is no "proof today" for a God. As a scientist I would say that would be a correct statement. I would also agree that most of the old testiment is historically FALSE. It just didn't happen that way. The main part of the Bible for me is the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus. I guess that is why they call it faith.
reagan01 3 years ago
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
RabidApe 3 years ago
Yes, I think that is what I said. I think the purpose of my original post is to say that there are educated scientists that believe in God and science at the same time. I too believe in the seperation of Church and State. I can accept you the way you are and your beliefs. Can you accept me?
reagan01 3 years ago
"Respecting your right to believe as you see fit" isn't quite the same as "respecting your beliefs".
I'm not going to advocate outlawing your religion or locking you up for believing in Jesus or anything like that.
But I'm also not going to stop speaking my mind, especially at times like these.
I'm not going to stop asking people to be able to justify their beliefs.
I'm not going to stop arguing against "faith".
RabidApe 3 years ago
who is asking you to stop speaking your mind?
reagan01 3 years ago
nobody, apparently.
;D
RabidApe 3 years ago
HURRAY... for AUSTIN..
cutmeupandown 3 years ago
Joe Zamecki is the best!
Swa6543 3 years ago
I believe if you don't attend church your not really religious your just kidding yourself. Also your more Atheist than you'd like to admit, probably because in the back of your mind your thinking what if there is a god I might go to hell. Not gonna happen and in your rational brain you know it but the brainwashing you've had since birth has filled you with doubt. Admit it there is an Atheist in us all! The leaders classical history are dead they can't control you with these myth's anymore.Peace!
frostyuk2007 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A recent study found that the overwhelimng percentage of self proclaimed atheists found to actually believe in God when taking a lie detector test. Atheists are truly the anti God religion.
crb4059 3 years ago
citation? who conducted the study? have the results been verified?
RabidApe 3 years ago
A recent study found that the overwhelming percentage of self proclaimed followers of Way of the Master found to have actually wanted to initially be part of a kung fu fan club when taking a lie detector test. The Way of the Master just fooled them after wards to become creationists. I mean, how do you explain the name VenomFangX?
eddygoombah 3 years ago 9
HAHA, your joking aren't you. You have to be. Most people would like to believe in a being of such power that he could bestow eternal life upon us, but that doesn't mean that we actually believe he exists. Also if this test was accurate all it would prove to the Atheist is that he's Agnostic which basically means they hasn't quite lost the fear of the brainwashing that he might go to hell if he doesn't believe. Don't worry though his children will be Atheist :-)
frostyuk2007 3 years ago
that was too crb4059 oops
frostyuk2007 3 years ago
Joe is the man!
neveruse513 3 years ago
It's sad to see people who give up on God because of what they've seen HUMANS do. Dumb, right?
VeggieTrunks 3 years ago
I haven't seen anything God has done, the years I have lived. I can't see God, I can't hear what he says. God is imaginary.
Btw when you listen to what a person says, you shouldn't follow it blindly, you should use your brain and use logic. This is what christians do not do. You just read the bible and go "yep, God is probably right" You read Leviticus 20:13 and go "yiiihoo!! I'ma kill me some fags now, 'cause that's what God wants. BILLY! Go get my shotgun" redneck fuck!
DonQuixotec 3 years ago 3
Rabid Ape For President!!
I wish I had been there.
scaplins 3 years ago 3
I have a question, and its just a question, I myself am an Aignostic.
Lets say that ~500 years from now the Human race is a race of Space Explorers, and in our travels we meet many species of Aliens. But in our journey, we run across a creature that doesn't live on a planet, it drifts through space under its own power because it attained sentinence. It was the first thing to realize " I think therefore I am".
What have we found?
ZombieRyushu 3 years ago
You would have found the space going creature from episode 90 (season 4) of star trek: the next generation. it existed completely independent of any planet and fed off of energy.
I am such a fucking nerd....
clutterfish 3 years ago
thats funny
jimmymastiff 3 years ago
You found one of the c'tan. RUN! Seriously, you just found some unfortunate creature that probably lacks sensory organs.
exnihilomyass 3 years ago
Atheist activism is the argument for the existence of a big nothing. Its a rather stupid religion.
Craighill9 3 years ago
atheism isn't a religion, you dolt. educate yourself before you speak.
JoeBWebb 3 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
True atheism does NOT exist. So-called atheists are either angry at God and therefore say he's non-existent or they deem themselves a god. Either way, the concept of a superior being is involved.
Go to Youtube and type in "Dsouza Dennett debate".
benzride 3 years ago
Uh huh... no. Both assumptions are wrong.
Atheists don't believe they are gods. That would be ridiculous, as we are all human, and nothing else. Not believing in a god does not make us gods.
Atheists also cannot have the capacity to be "angry" with something that they do not believe exists. I can't be mad at radioactive space bunnies, because radioactive space bunnies don't exist.
DeadlyChinchilla 3 years ago
you are quite possibly the stupidest person i have yet to encounter on the whole of the internet. to be angry at something would require that you acknowledge that something's existence. secondly, atheists don't deem themselves god, we simply put human logical faculty above the mindless babbling of idiots and charlatans from thousands of years ago. our only real anger is at the unfounded superior attitudes of the morons who follow the simpleton's doctrine of religion.
clutterfish 3 years ago 2
Christians are the ones with "superior attitudes" yet you're calling people "idiots" & "morons" just because they have the temerity to believe differently than you?
2pages 3 years ago
first off, not just christians. all religious people have a level of condescending arrogance that is completely untenable. second, i do respect peoples' differences in opinion about things like politics, philosophy, art and other esoteric, humanist disciplines. however, when it comes to the heartless, thoughtless twattle of 'religion' i simply can't muster up the supposedly requisite respect. i don't respect outdated, wildly contradictory, evidenceless idiocy concocted by madmen.
clutterfish 3 years ago 3
BOOBS!
just2w4tch 3 years ago
Atta? Atta!
DeadlyChinchilla 3 years ago
Atta? Atta!
DeadlyChinchilla 3 years ago
god bless atheism
carpet2008 4 years ago 3
HAHAHA... Yeah, we atheists rule!
ThePolitikMan 3 years ago
Um.. ok?
j0nb0y5 4 years ago
Ok,18 minutes and 42 seconds of...what? What did you disprove about my assumptions, now confirmed, of you? 18 minutes of you talking about your BELIEF that no god exists, and you shouldn't be called atheist....even though, you don't believe any god exists, just for the sake of soundbites in a religous debate. It's honestly as if I watched Bill O'Reilly talk about his support for the Iraq war. It's just.....amazing is a rather dissapointing way. By the way, was loving the generalizations.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
dare I ask which god YOU believe in?
RabidApe 4 years ago
"Dare I".....oh my, the almighty dare! Err no. I'm Christain, who leans towards some of Buddha's teaching's, some mind you. Given that Buddhism is more about morals then religon. Now...how would you say that you believe that no god exists, but not be considered atheist? Unless, for some reason, the definition changed?
puresrtrash 4 years ago
"Now...how would you say that you believe that no god exists, but not be considered atheist?"
That depends on what one means by 'god' - I don't write off the possibility of a "mysterious something", but I have yet to be convinced by the doctrinal claims of any religion.
I feel that it is a fairly apt description, but I am discovering that it is riddled with 'strategic difficulties' - as this conversation is beautifully illustrating.
Look at how much we've spent nitpicking the word!
RabidApe 4 years ago
But, for the time being, you would indeed say you had no current belief in any god, therfore you'd be classed as such. I don't care if you nit pick at it all you want, just don't go talking about generalizations when "Religon" has become the umbrella in which all beliefs, except for atheism, have gone under, according to the main contingent of atheists.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
O'reilly also was known for intolerance..
puresrtrash 4 years ago
I think the funniest part about the "atheist" movement is how they bunch every religon together. Are you catholic? Doesn't matter to atheists, you're shoved up against Islam who has the worst track record of any religon for violence. Christain? We don't care! Let's stick you near Catholics, who persecuted Christains under Nero. This is what we call a stereotype. It's a well known sign of ignorance.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
Religions are just false information, meant to unify a group of people. Therefore, they are all alike.
juliajade 4 years ago
I sure hope you don't consider yerself a Christian puresrtrash cause if you do then you have broken a Christian rule by judging athiests AND Muslims in one fail swoop with this comment - Judge not lest ye be judged !
amccrory1 4 years ago
You wouldn't know really. Just as you judge anyone with more knowledge then yourself as crazy. Of course, you will answer "I don't care, I'm atheist...lulz". But, that's a representation of your fundamentalist group. So yeah...
puresrtrash 4 years ago
please tell me wtf you mean by 'fundamentalist' in this context...
RabidApe 4 years ago
2. the beliefs held by those in this movement.
3. strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles: the fundamentalism of the extreme conservatives
puresrtrash 4 years ago
"2. the beliefs held by those in this movement."
Which would be what, exactly? Can you tell me the mailing address of the headquarters? What is the central dogma?
"3. strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles"
If you're gonna frame it that way, who ISN'T a fundamentalist? If you stretch the meaning of a word to where it can mean anything, then it effectively means nothing.
RabidApe 4 years ago
You mean the belief that ther eis no god.....is not a belief? Well, well, well....contradiction at last.
Fundamentalist-group. Is ther eonly one atheist on earth?
puresrtrash 4 years ago
"You mean the belief that ther eis no god.....is not a belief?"
Depends on how you slice it - some people actively assert that "X does not exist", and some merely "lack a belief in X".
Let's not muck about with semantics, please.
RabidApe 4 years ago
No...no...that wouldn't be atheist. Do I need to pull up the definition of atheist for you? Because I don't seen any atheist saying Islam is false and Christains are right. Or Catholics are right and Christains wrong. That doesn't make sense. If you are an atheist, you simply BELIEVE there is no god or higher power.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
(I'm going to assume that you do believe that Elvis is dead, that you don't believe in astrology, and lack a belief in the Great Flaptarjankuon, who I just made up.)
Are you a fundamentalist Dead-Elvisist?
Are you a fundamentalist non-astrologer?
Are you a fundamentalist aflaptarjankuonist?
Does the fact that you BELIEVE that Elvis is dead really say anything about you?
RabidApe 4 years ago
Well one problem with your conception is you think I actually care whether Elvis is dead, alive, or walking around half dead. That aside, I suppose I would be a fundamentalist. See, you seem to think "Fundamentalist" is some media sponsored word for evil, terror, or negative groups. I see it as a universal term, which, it is.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
"See, you seem to think "Fundamentalist" is some media sponsored word for evil, terror, or negative groups. I see it as a universal term, which, it is."
If it's a universal non-evil term, why do you throw it around like it's an insult?
You brought up 'fundamentalism', not me!
RabidApe 4 years ago
Where did I use it as an insult? I acknowledged that he was part of the atheist group. You ASSUMED it was negative.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
Sure.
My point is, if it's NOT negative, if it IS 'universal', then you're not really saying or explaining much when you throw it around like that, and we are wasting our time quibbling over the finer points.
I'm done yapping at you for now. I think anyone who takes the time to click "see all comments" can put two and two together.
Please watch this video and get back to me before you try to argue with me about what my position is:
watch?v=RAcAIi6E_8c
RabidApe 4 years ago
"I think the funniest part about the 'atheist' movement is how they bunch every religon together"
There isn't a cohesive, central, defined 'atheist movement'.
Your comment is particularly ironic because you are effectively bunching every atheist together, when the only thing we all have in common is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
(I fight against false beliefs and dogmatism, which tends to bring me into conflict with particular claims of various religions.)
RabidApe 4 years ago
Just as you open a book, right every religon in it, and close it shut in essence.
"Religions are just false information, meant to unify a group of people. Therefore, they are all alike."
Quoted. Are you going to white wash words now? Come on...
puresrtrash 4 years ago
I didn't say that, bucko!
RabidApe 4 years ago
That's one of your followers....so said the other one. You haven't denied this form of collevtivism either. If Atheism denied collectivism, then they would acknowledge religon based on the category, and not "Religon" as a whole.
puresrtrash 4 years ago
"You haven't denied this form of collevtivism either."
If you would watch some of my fucking vids before trying to put me in a box based on SOMEONE ELSE'S comments, you'd see just how wrong you are:
watch?v=RAcAIi6E_8c
RabidApe 4 years ago
Do you really mean to take a comment posted by some random person (no offense, juliajade), and apply that to the entire 'atheist movement'?
Who is generalizing, now?
If you want to argue with me, argue with what I say, not what you think I think.
RabidApe 4 years ago