i dont know anything about wing chun but same concepts for muay thai. this is a push kick or teap. we just go a little higher and use the ball of the foot. but i can say this is good technique
@forbryderalbum funny, im not in wing chun, but my style has a similar kick, i was practicing lightly with a cop, and this kick made him have to take a week off from cop duties, and it certainly did stop him
@forbryderalbum haha, well i was just saying, this kick is very underestimated, this cop kinda laughed it off like it was some pussy kick, and i did it a couple more times, and the next day he was so surprised to see he couldnt walk, haha
@kapoof2 surely he is a stupid cop, compare to the `ubber-estimated` round house kick this kick is waaay more dangerous, try to locate it on the opponents knee-cap and knee joint , it will be a fight-ender kicks
Hi Jin, In your lineage of Wing Chun, do you use pendulum footwork like in JKD. I used to do that when I learned JKD, Now that I'm doing more traditional Wing Chun (Moy Yat), we don't practice that. I still practice it on my own though and I think it's very useful. Are there any disadvantages to it that you can think of?
stop kick is one of the most lethal self defense technique around it is a shame that most tae kwon do and other korean styles instructors does not teach that technique. that technique can stop an attack before it even begins!
is actually true if you only use your legs you don't have no power instead if you use your body with speed equals mass and power so you should work your body through every section of practice you do
A slap alone will never do against a strong opponent. For it to be effective it will be accompanied by another attack and supported by structure. "If" faced against someone with faster hands, it would be very difficult. I think Jin mentioned in one(or more) of his videos, that one of the mistakes some WCpractitioners do is chasing hands. However if you managed to do it, more power to you!
Please do have in mind, Sarah, that Wing Chun as by classic design, works against an opponent who is stronger/faster than you. Having fast punches, targeting his elbows is easier than his knuckles. Not contradicting what you said, just saying its more risky.
ah, yes, you did say the wrist. pak sau is a very versatile movement, that can be done not only on different areas, but can also be done at different angles, which has to be "felt" or "seen" to determine which you should use. but i do agree with you that targeting the fist is a very good way of deflecting your opponents punch.
Hi, Yin, I saw a video where a master hits a woden dummy. He actually did a side kick and I saw a backkick in a wing Chun movie long time ago. So, if those kicks are used, the same principle applies, right? Like n sidekick, u tilt side way and back u tilt to the opposite direction of the kick, right?
a classic wing chun side kick doesn't rotate as much as say a tae kwon do side kick. because the primary focus of a classic wing chun practitioner is to get to "medium range" as soon as possible. we'll get into more kicking methods for both classic and modified wing chun down the road. peace!
I have been taught that even in kicking you can't lean your body at all because it compromises your structure, like if you miss the kick then you've broken your structure for someone to attack you. The way I've been taught to connect the body into it is by initiating the movement from your center into the first joint of your leg. With the momentum of the first joint opening the 2nd joint swings and opens so that both joints are combined to generate force. Anyway I find this video very good!
Hi, Jin, I've seend some old WC movies and the sifu inside always says that the kicks should be at the belt height at most because high kicks is out of balance. But I just saw Ip man movie and there is a high right at the head of the opponent. So, I just want to know if there are high kick in WC?
nah i will change that fact .. i will make tolio chakki neryo chakki. banda ti chakki (high one) and and my favorite tornado kick to the head ... is this wrong?(i am kiding dude )
well, first off, don't kick too high or else your opponent can catch your kick. but let's assume he catches my hook kick, then i would most likely do a shooto throw or just jump guard and pull him down.
good job explaining your point of view. i agree with all of it!
Just understand that there are two different structures for kicks, one for "close in" range and the other for "distance fighting" range.
i'll work on putting a video together to explain the similarities and differences between the two structures, which will hopefully explain when the "stop kick" is used in a "see saw" manner and when you should keep your back straight, as you pointed out.
so i bet my kicks are considered in your distance fighting range.... but i see no video.... you thought you would be so great on youtube and we dont have expectations from you? hell no!!! i want a video with distance fighting.(please)
All reasons are referring to the stepping on stairs example. Try stepping up stairs doing a " see saw", I don't think it will work... lol (TRY IT : D)
3. Keeping your back straight lets you basically take a step while kicking. This is useful when you want to close the gap. If you "see saw", you can't do this.
2. If your back is straight, you are leaning forward slightly and have more forward pressure. This lets you recover quickly if your opponent kicks at the same time and he is much stronger than you.
So, imagine walking up some stairs in the wing chun stance. You step onto the stair (with your back straight), then push your entire body up using the knee. In a kicking view, you are forcing your body mass into the persons leg.
i admire how you critics the moyyat-i dunno guy. usually people would be like "what are you talking moron!?" or something like that. lol. anyway i like your videos.
just understand that i'm not trying to bash Moy Yat students or their method. And to be honest, i really am hoping he has a valid point because then it would mean that i am learning something positive.
He has his reasons for not putting up a video and i respect that, but you can't expect me to blindly believe contradictory comments without proving it to me first.
i'm always up for a good debate. of course i don't know everything, but you have to be able to show not tell me why your method is valid. and so far, you've only shown me that you keep contradicting yourself. if you have a good point and can show me, then of course i'll be open to improvement.
but to tell me one thing and show me another just doesn't make any sense. take care
Kicking... this is not Ving Tsu for one thing the kick is never a pock. You all-ways use the ball of the foot. Now dipping the body, never let anyone see your shoulders drop.
In VT the kick is called the shadow kick, or the gentleman a kick that you don't see comming. Al kicks are from on the two VT/WC forms.
you should put some of your thoughts up on video and demonstrate the "real" wing chun so that I and the rest of the martial arts community can share in your vast wisdom.
i'm confused, you say to always use the "ball of the foot" when kicking, but in your only video on the mook jong, you don't adhere to this. i'm curious why. peace!
you also say not to "dip the body" or let the "shoulders drop" yet in your only video on the mook jong you don't adhere to this either. i'm curious why.
I did see very old footage on television of Bruce Lee doing this "intercept" against an oncoming kick, he used it as an example of what he named Jeet Kun do (the way of the intercepting fist).
My question is, if someone were to do an oncoming front kick towards me at a 90 degree angle towards my stomach (so their body is at the furthest distance away from me - even worse if they have long legs) how would stop this? my stop kick would not reach his knee or him? sounds like a silly question...
the range you are referring to is "distance fighting". i'll be posting a video on "distance fighting kick drills" and will try to answer your question there. peace!
If sifu young doens't mind I have found a fairly high eprcentage method of dealing with side kicks aimed for the body. A simplified version fo it would be the muay thai response. Your scoop the kick at the back of the heel or the calf and it will move it off to the side. at the same time grab his shoulder and drive a thai leg kick into the back of the leg. I was shown 2 other wing chun responses that were similar but involved simultaneously breaking the knee and thekicking the other knee.
no, we don't choreograph stuff. there are mirrors along the wall. =D
think of it as a "see saw". when one side lowers, the other rises. this maintains balance in the middle. that's why you have to focus on the "lever" behind you as you kick or else you will compromise your balance because you are only focusing on one side.
snap kicks are very useful. but it goes against the concepts and principles that i study which is why i don't rely on them. same goes for snap punches. i always gauge the value of a technique by asking this question...
"does the movement rely on speed or muscle to make it work?"
if the answer is yes, then i don't put much emphasis on it. if the answer is no, then i mine the movement for the nuggets of gold.
Jeet Kune Do is Bruce Lee's personal philosophy and not his martial arts method. Jun Fan (Bruce Lee's Chinese name, he named his martial art after himself) is the actual nuts and bolts of his method. Many people claim they teach Jeet Kune Do just because they read his books on his philosophy. don't be fooled by this nonsense.
They get away with this "false advertising" because they are claiming to teach his martial arts philosophy (JKD) and not his actual martial arts method (Jun Fan). That's why you don't see them claim to teach Jun Fan or Jun Fan JKD or else they would get sued.
I know i'm going off the subject, it's because i've studied Jun Fan with some great instructors. But whenever i drive by martial arts schools that put "we teach Jeet Kune Do" on their signs or windows, it makes me wanna go in there and punch the crap out of the instructors.
this is not an attack on you personally, so please don't get offended but rather just in general. okay..rant over. -_o now back to your question.=D
Bruce Lee's martial art method (Jun Fan) IMO is an honest look at the "distance fighting" aspect of combat and how to "close the gap", which is primarily driven by speed, deception and body conditioning.
think of his martial art method (Jun Fan) as a Ferrari. it's built for high performance but requires lots of fuel and tons of maintenance. but when it's running on all cylinders, it's very very effective. but it's strength is also it's weakness, because when you get older, it gets harder and harder to maintain that kind of performance.
i dont know anything about wing chun but same concepts for muay thai. this is a push kick or teap. we just go a little higher and use the ball of the foot. but i can say this is good technique
muaythaigenius28 3 months ago
3 people don't like physics :D
AaronSmith3 4 months ago
thank you jin.simple is good.
mrascoop 8 months ago
lol, Wing Chun people suck at kicking
forbryderalbum 8 months ago
@forbryderalbum funny, im not in wing chun, but my style has a similar kick, i was practicing lightly with a cop, and this kick made him have to take a week off from cop duties, and it certainly did stop him
kapoof2 7 months ago
@kapoof2
hey, the style i practise has stop kick almost similar too
and i often do sparring with cop too lol
just meant wing chun people dont do much kicking
gotta admit Im always thinking irl use of styles, mma, vale tudo etc
forbryderalbum 7 months ago
@forbryderalbum haha, well i was just saying, this kick is very underestimated, this cop kinda laughed it off like it was some pussy kick, and i did it a couple more times, and the next day he was so surprised to see he couldnt walk, haha
kapoof2 7 months ago
@kapoof2
hehe
hey if u kick to knee he wont be walking for long time...
i messed up my ribs this winter, got stopkick to chest when attacking. Pretty stupid ;)
forbryderalbum 7 months ago
@kapoof2 surely he is a stupid cop, compare to the `ubber-estimated` round house kick this kick is waaay more dangerous, try to locate it on the opponents knee-cap and knee joint , it will be a fight-ender kicks
MrSolitude14 5 months ago
@forbryderalbum so do boxers..
hitter1 1 week ago
Amazing how similar Wing Chun is to Joseph Cowles' Chinese Gung Fu. Guess its because of Bruce Lee's Wing Chun background.
sniper244 1 year ago
you're a really good teacher.
Ryandidenow 1 year ago
nvm
thegreek32 1 year ago
THANK U MY FRIEND ALWAYS DOSE THAT WHEN WERE PLAY FIGHTING FINALY SUMTHING THAT HELPS GREAT VID!
thegreek32 1 year ago
Mmkay =D
kirecorp 1 year ago
Hi Jin, In your lineage of Wing Chun, do you use pendulum footwork like in JKD. I used to do that when I learned JKD, Now that I'm doing more traditional Wing Chun (Moy Yat), we don't practice that. I still practice it on my own though and I think it's very useful. Are there any disadvantages to it that you can think of?
hulkout666 1 year ago
stop kick is one of the most lethal self defense technique around it is a shame that most tae kwon do and other korean styles instructors does not teach that technique. that technique can stop an attack before it even begins!
mrcharles007 1 year ago
wow.u r the best u tell everything in details.
tigrakumar 1 year ago
what s wrong whit this blond man:D??
ukaszuniek 2 years ago
hahah this is steve urkel position hahaah cool
lukaqota 2 years ago
@SarahSunwalker i prefer to pak sao the wrist/forearm because if my opponment is slow or feints i might slip past the hand and get killed xD
kotekotekitty 2 years ago
is actually true if you only use your legs you don't have no power instead if you use your body with speed equals mass and power so you should work your body through every section of practice you do
fricckkinngbboy 2 years ago
hey... i do agree with what you say about the hips. cheers!! =)
thelaughtilldeath 2 years ago
A slap alone will never do against a strong opponent. For it to be effective it will be accompanied by another attack and supported by structure. "If" faced against someone with faster hands, it would be very difficult. I think Jin mentioned in one(or more) of his videos, that one of the mistakes some WCpractitioners do is chasing hands. However if you managed to do it, more power to you!
peposo7 2 years ago
Please do have in mind, Sarah, that Wing Chun as by classic design, works against an opponent who is stronger/faster than you. Having fast punches, targeting his elbows is easier than his knuckles. Not contradicting what you said, just saying its more risky.
peposo7 2 years ago
ah, yes, you did say the wrist. pak sau is a very versatile movement, that can be done not only on different areas, but can also be done at different angles, which has to be "felt" or "seen" to determine which you should use. but i do agree with you that targeting the fist is a very good way of deflecting your opponents punch.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
pak sau should be practiced on many different areas including the wrist as you point out.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Hi, Yin, I saw a video where a master hits a woden dummy. He actually did a side kick and I saw a backkick in a wing Chun movie long time ago. So, if those kicks are used, the same principle applies, right? Like n sidekick, u tilt side way and back u tilt to the opposite direction of the kick, right?
supertarzan12 2 years ago
a classic wing chun side kick doesn't rotate as much as say a tae kwon do side kick. because the primary focus of a classic wing chun practitioner is to get to "medium range" as soon as possible. we'll get into more kicking methods for both classic and modified wing chun down the road. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Thank you very much. my last message has a typo for your name. It should be Jin not Yin. Sorry about that.
supertarzan12 2 years ago
no problemo, as long as you don't call me Jen! -_o
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I have been taught that even in kicking you can't lean your body at all because it compromises your structure, like if you miss the kick then you've broken your structure for someone to attack you. The way I've been taught to connect the body into it is by initiating the movement from your center into the first joint of your leg. With the momentum of the first joint opening the 2nd joint swings and opens so that both joints are combined to generate force. Anyway I find this video very good!
jackpwn 2 years ago
yea, i agree, i've been taught both ways and i'm still researching both methods. take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Hi, Jin, I've seend some old WC movies and the sifu inside always says that the kicks should be at the belt height at most because high kicks is out of balance. But I just saw Ip man movie and there is a high right at the head of the opponent. So, I just want to know if there are high kick in WC?
supertarzan12 2 years ago
well, i can only speak for the lineage of WC that i train under and the answer is "no", there are no high kicks (above the waist).
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Thank you, Jin.
supertarzan12 2 years ago
no problemo! =D
chinaboxer 2 years ago
nah i will change that fact .. i will make tolio chakki neryo chakki. banda ti chakki (high one) and and my favorite tornado kick to the head ... is this wrong?(i am kiding dude )
HermesDo 2 years ago
jin what if someone catches your leg while you do a hook kick?
archers101 2 years ago
well, first off, don't kick too high or else your opponent can catch your kick. but let's assume he catches my hook kick, then i would most likely do a shooto throw or just jump guard and pull him down.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
thanks sifu jin!:)
archers101 2 years ago
k cool, i'm gonna look forward to it : D!
shadowminer2 2 years ago
Hope I made a valid point . It would be great if you learned something new from me, because I've learned so much from you :D
shadowminer2 2 years ago
good job explaining your point of view. i agree with all of it!
Just understand that there are two different structures for kicks, one for "close in" range and the other for "distance fighting" range.
i'll work on putting a video together to explain the similarities and differences between the two structures, which will hopefully explain when the "stop kick" is used in a "see saw" manner and when you should keep your back straight, as you pointed out.
take care and peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
so i bet my kicks are considered in your distance fighting range.... but i see no video.... you thought you would be so great on youtube and we dont have expectations from you? hell no!!! i want a video with distance fighting.(please)
HermesDo 2 years ago
All reasons are referring to the stepping on stairs example. Try stepping up stairs doing a " see saw", I don't think it will work... lol (TRY IT : D)
shadowminer2 2 years ago
3. Keeping your back straight lets you basically take a step while kicking. This is useful when you want to close the gap. If you "see saw", you can't do this.
shadowminer2 2 years ago
2. If your back is straight, you are leaning forward slightly and have more forward pressure. This lets you recover quickly if your opponent kicks at the same time and he is much stronger than you.
shadowminer2 2 years ago
Hmm, i have tried to post this comment 2 times, but it never shows o.0, guess i'll break it up...
I like how you answered Moy's response so politely. He was a bit rude : O.
Here are some reasons why you should kick with your back STRAIGHT and not "see saw".
1. Refer to the stepping on stairs example; This lets you punch and kick at the same time.
shadowminer2 2 years ago
So, imagine walking up some stairs in the wing chun stance. You step onto the stair (with your back straight), then push your entire body up using the knee. In a kicking view, you are forcing your body mass into the persons leg.
shadowminer2 2 years ago
i admire how you critics the moyyat-i dunno guy. usually people would be like "what are you talking moron!?" or something like that. lol. anyway i like your videos.
sild123 2 years ago
just understand that i'm not trying to bash Moy Yat students or their method. And to be honest, i really am hoping he has a valid point because then it would mean that i am learning something positive.
He has his reasons for not putting up a video and i respect that, but you can't expect me to blindly believe contradictory comments without proving it to me first.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
i dont understand why shoulders must be down.when you try to attack you must defend your mandible with shoulders.
pauld87787121 2 years ago
hey Paul, i like this question. in the wing chun "structure" we rely on the "forward triangle" to keep everything out of our center.
try taking a look at my video "siu nim tau" part 2 and also "forward triangle" part 1,2 which might help answer your question.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Check-out Moyyat ,there are some of the infor I got learned over the years. I've been around from 91 on 2009
moy4you2 2 years ago
Besides this is an open formum
moy4you2 2 years ago
look at the forms all the vast wisdom is there.
I don't and won't have a pissing contest with you. I have pit bulls doing that for me.
moy4you2 2 years ago
i'm always up for a good debate. of course i don't know everything, but you have to be able to show not tell me why your method is valid. and so far, you've only shown me that you keep contradicting yourself. if you have a good point and can show me, then of course i'll be open to improvement.
but to tell me one thing and show me another just doesn't make any sense. take care
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Kicking... this is not Ving Tsu for one thing the kick is never a pock. You all-ways use the ball of the foot. Now dipping the body, never let anyone see your shoulders drop.
In VT the kick is called the shadow kick, or the gentleman a kick that you don't see comming. Al kicks are from on the two VT/WC forms.
If you have good form then youget it.
moy4you2 2 years ago
you should put some of your thoughts up on video and demonstrate the "real" wing chun so that I and the rest of the martial arts community can share in your vast wisdom.
looking forward to your videos. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
i'm confused, you say to always use the "ball of the foot" when kicking, but in your only video on the mook jong, you don't adhere to this. i'm curious why. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
you also say not to "dip the body" or let the "shoulders drop" yet in your only video on the mook jong you don't adhere to this either. i'm curious why.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
my tkd teacher was telling me the same thing u sai d about people only useing there legs
staone1 2 years ago
I did see very old footage on television of Bruce Lee doing this "intercept" against an oncoming kick, he used it as an example of what he named Jeet Kun do (the way of the intercepting fist).
My question is, if someone were to do an oncoming front kick towards me at a 90 degree angle towards my stomach (so their body is at the furthest distance away from me - even worse if they have long legs) how would stop this? my stop kick would not reach his knee or him? sounds like a silly question...
freestyle6699 2 years ago
the range you are referring to is "distance fighting". i'll be posting a video on "distance fighting kick drills" and will try to answer your question there. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
If sifu young doens't mind I have found a fairly high eprcentage method of dealing with side kicks aimed for the body. A simplified version fo it would be the muay thai response. Your scoop the kick at the back of the heel or the calf and it will move it off to the side. at the same time grab his shoulder and drive a thai leg kick into the back of the leg. I was shown 2 other wing chun responses that were similar but involved simultaneously breaking the knee and thekicking the other knee.
gageX2z 2 years ago
let us know how it goes. peace!
chinaboxer 2 years ago
no, we don't choreograph stuff. there are mirrors along the wall. =D
think of it as a "see saw". when one side lowers, the other rises. this maintains balance in the middle. that's why you have to focus on the "lever" behind you as you kick or else you will compromise your balance because you are only focusing on one side.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
snap kicks are very useful. but it goes against the concepts and principles that i study which is why i don't rely on them. same goes for snap punches. i always gauge the value of a technique by asking this question...
"does the movement rely on speed or muscle to make it work?"
if the answer is yes, then i don't put much emphasis on it. if the answer is no, then i mine the movement for the nuggets of gold.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
Would it be accurate at all to describe Jeet Kune Do as a modernized, and possibly simplified Wing Chun?
drewnwalker 2 years ago
Jeet Kune Do is Bruce Lee's personal philosophy and not his martial arts method. Jun Fan (Bruce Lee's Chinese name, he named his martial art after himself) is the actual nuts and bolts of his method. Many people claim they teach Jeet Kune Do just because they read his books on his philosophy. don't be fooled by this nonsense.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
They get away with this "false advertising" because they are claiming to teach his martial arts philosophy (JKD) and not his actual martial arts method (Jun Fan). That's why you don't see them claim to teach Jun Fan or Jun Fan JKD or else they would get sued.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
I know i'm going off the subject, it's because i've studied Jun Fan with some great instructors. But whenever i drive by martial arts schools that put "we teach Jeet Kune Do" on their signs or windows, it makes me wanna go in there and punch the crap out of the instructors.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
this is not an attack on you personally, so please don't get offended but rather just in general. okay..rant over. -_o now back to your question.=D
Bruce Lee's martial art method (Jun Fan) IMO is an honest look at the "distance fighting" aspect of combat and how to "close the gap", which is primarily driven by speed, deception and body conditioning.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
think of his martial art method (Jun Fan) as a Ferrari. it's built for high performance but requires lots of fuel and tons of maintenance. but when it's running on all cylinders, it's very very effective. but it's strength is also it's weakness, because when you get older, it gets harder and harder to maintain that kind of performance.
chinaboxer 2 years ago
very true
Its been said before how many people out there today can do that close to 90 to 100 percent of the time and that is "close the gap" or intercept.
it takes ALOT of work
drklight2000 2 years ago