Dr. Simeons HCG Protocol Update Aug. 28th 2007

[mamasparks]

yeah, fortress maximus seems like a douchebag.

[JustSom3dud3]

And your point would be....what exactly? Yeah, didn't think you had one.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Furthermore, since you've already trashed the AMA and FDA who have all censored HCG use as a diet aid...I'll tell you this. Doctors, yes those mean ole' money grubbers, use to love HCG diet because it ensured them a steady clientel.

[JustSom3dud3]

I just banned Fortress Maximus as several of my subscribers requested.

[TheFortressMaximus]

God, I mean you'd figure you would have at least read the the wikipedia on HCG

"As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary."

[JustSom3dud3]

Are you insane? Or just plain stupid? I never said that bodybuilders dont use it. Do you really think that something can only have 1 use and thats it? By the way, the first thing I did when I first read Simeons book was look up the definition of HCG.

[Sheepra]

If Wikipedia, the FDA, & the AMA all have your confidence, I have some swampland in Florida you may be interested in.

Peace.

Shalom

[Sheepra]

Also tends to make one think you may be what is known as a troll - someone who will benefit from trashing another's point, i.e., your faith in the government may be due to a connection with it. You are possibly a plant. I advise the VLOGer to ban you as you are contributing nothing but seeds of doubt based on sources that would prefer there is no cure & will benefit from dissuading those who may climb out of their trap.

[TheFortressMaximus]

BTW, my friend in med school uses HCG to induce ovulation in women...it's screws.with.your.hormones. That is the use.

[TheFortressMaximus]

And there is no weight loss cure. You cannot 'eat what you want and not get fat'. If your prone to storing fat, the only way to alter that condition would be to a) increase your muscle mass or b) manipulate your genetics (i.e. as a friend of mine used to say 'get born again').

[TheFortressMaximus]

Dude, I know what I'm talking about. I've been an athlete longer than Trudeau has been halking diet books. I eat 700 calories, 6-7 times a day...and metabolize every last bit of it.  My body is profoundly efficient at burning fat, and it wasn't always.

[TheFortressMaximus]

And looking at the picture is this particular video you can tell while he isn't carrying as much weight, his definition and shape really hasn't changed much.

[JustSom3dud3]

Umm... Have you looked at the difference in my belly and the definition difference around my ribs? How many times to I have to point out to people that the HCG releases calories from body fat. My body is not going into a famine state.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Sure you are (going into a famine state), and everybody has ribs...I know of no diet that will metabolize your ribs. But what I don't see is any muscle definition...which supports my point. You've metabolized your lean body mass..meaning you've fucked up your metabolism.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Your body is becoming super efficient right now, at using that 500 calorie diet wisely. This is great in a famine, not great for losing weight. Because while you think you may be getting a proper amount of food, your body is also depleting your lean tissue and protiens from your internal organs.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Yeah you do realize it's the "fasting" that's making you lose the weight, kill the cravings and not the HCG. The HCG isn't doing anything really, except playing around with your hormones.

[JustSom3dud3]

I give up. You people just don't listen.

[thejaguarr]

Listen to what? You haven't cited any sources. I gave you one below that discusses how HCG affects the hormonal profile. Are you disputing that it does? All you've said so far is "I've researched this". Share your research links and sources so they can be read by all.

[Sheepra]

Your source states:

Effective dose: 1500-7500 IU every 5-6 days (=7500 IU/wk min, 4500 IU/wk max)

Even sublingually, which is highest dosing for weight release, we will only take 333 IU/day X 7 days=2331 IU/wk max. That is only 30% of the minimum dosage, so seems unlikely that the warnings would apply in this case.

Shalom

[JustSom3dud3]

Are you going mad? Since when does fasting kill cravings?

[TheFortressMaximus]

Since the dawn of man.

[thejaguarr]

Shooting HGH and fasting to lose weight? You have absolutely NO idea what you are doing to your body, do you? You're in for some very bad times down the road; endocrine system and hormonal imbalances, metabolic shutdown, possible kidney failure, and gaining all that weight back and then some. Good times. Repeat after me: there are no shortcuts to weight loss.

[JustSom3dud3]

Repeat after me, "Don't preach to people about things you know NOTHING about"

[thejaguarr]

Errr...I use HCG for low testosterone, jackass. I'm infinitely more well informed on it than you are. It does not burn fat. Fasting like you are will make anyone drop weight, no HCG required. At least monitor your hormonal panel, liver, kidney and thyroid functions with regular bloodwork if you're going to play with HCG.

[thejaguarr]

Here's a good primer on HCG. It's from a bodybuilder's perspective but the info on how it manipulates the hormonal profile is spot on:

bodybuilding dot com / fun / cathcg dot htm

You are playing with hormone altering drugs. Period.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Funny, I'm studying HCG right now because I'm competing next year, and I may have to take it to restore my hormone imbalance if (in all likelyhood) I take some anabolics.

[TheFortressMaximus]

I meant 1950s BTW.

[TheFortressMaximus]

...if you did the "diet" without the HCG (HGH) you'd still lose the weight. Restricting calorie intake always produces that result. And the drastic 500 calorie a day diet will eliminate your apetite because you've driven your body into starvation mode. Bad news bud.

[JustSom3dud3]

Yet another person who did not properly do their research. I'm only gonna say this one more time. HCG is the reason you can do a 500 calorie diet with no ill effects. HCG burns about 2000 caloried per day from your fat. THAT means you are actually getting about 2500 calories of nutrition per day.

[TheFortressMaximus]

And Kevin "Grand Larceny" Trudeau is? How about when he sold tape that was suppose to cure pain, which in fact did nothing. Or the expensive Mega Memory. He was trying to "protect you". As for 1962, this diet was developed in the 1930s to treat a disease. The 1930s. Geez. lol. What you're buying into is snake oil, but worse than that

[JustSom3dud3]

I am not a Kevin Trudeau Advocate. I am meerely following something the he has put a book out on, he didn't invent this.

[TheFortressMaximus]

In 1962, the Journal of the American Medical Association warned against the Simeons diet, saying "continued adherence to such a drastic regimen is potentially more hazardous to the patient's health than continued obesity."

[JustSom3dud3]

Ooohhh, It's so good to know the AMA is there to "protect us" :)I'm sure they have our best interests at heart. lol In 1962 huh? Geez

[ifetayo73]

I've been watching your HCG videos for a while, but I haven't checked in since you first started your injections. First let me say... You look amazing! Your face is really thinning. I really want to show your videos to my husband. You started at about his weight, and I know you would be an inspiration to him. I'm not starting the protocol until after football season, but I'm definately going to stay tuned to your progress.

[Lostboy451]

I've very curious about the sublingual HCG drops you mentioned. Please elaborate is you would (name, where you found them, dosage) Also please tell us how well they work. Your pics are great.

[editor36]

You mentioned that you mix the solution every 4 days or so...I'm sure I read either in Trudeau's book or Simeons that it MUST be mixed Daily - that it loses all potency after 24 hours...didn't you read that?

[JustSom3dud3]

I did read that, although I do not know how that is possible. I don't understand how you would mix it daily. It comes in 1500 IU ampules (the smallest they make) I guess you could mix up a new batch a day and throw this rest away, but then you'd be spending about $16 per day. Seems like a big waste to me.I don't know of anyone who ever did that. Must have been a typo or mis-understanding.

[editor36]

Hey there.  It's not a typo...from pg.119 of KT's book: Simeons was very clear that hcg should be mixed daily. It CANNOT be mixed and stored for later use. Once hcg is mixed it begins to lose potency very quickly. Within 24 hours the potency of the hcg is completely gone.....SO not sure how one can do it properly????

[mgvf16]

No he doesn't. In the paragraph entitled "Preparing the Solution" he states "Once HCG is in solution it is far less stable. It may be kept at room-temperature for two to three days, but if the solution must be kept longer it should always be refrigerated." Later he then talks about 8 injections. Also if Trudeau contradicts Simeons on something then Simeons (who tested 1000's of people and was a medical doctor) takes precedence in my mind and everyone else I've heard discuss this.

[JustSom3dud3]

I totally agree.

[editor36]

You are correct...I re-read both authors, and Trudeau does seem to *completely* contradict what Simeons wrote..which makes no sense? Simeons DOES state, however that it does de-stabalize in solution, and if it MUST be kept longer than a couple days...refrigerate..so although clearly not "useless" after 24 hours as KT states...still seems like you wanna use the stuff right away, no?

[JustSom3dud3]

I can tell you from personal experience that it does not lose it's potency in 24 hours.

[poochcastilon]

Thanks for your sharing, way to go on loosing the weight . did you change your diet before the injections and did you do colonics and if so where dod you go and what did they use. Is it different than an enema and if so did you loose any weight from this alone

[mamasparks]

YAY for you!!! hey, i know you're not a gal, so you might not have researched it, but does HCG do anything to a womans reproductive system at all? i'm just curious because i wouldn't want to have it ruin my lady parts! anywho, just let me know if you know :) thanks! and congrats!!!

[JustSom3dud3]

No, the only thing it will do is make you positive for a pregnancy test :)

[mrsw93555]

Wow, you look great. I am currently using a liquid also. Keep up the great work!

[BizAdventure]

Oh yeah! Thanks for sharing the pics! I am so happy for you!  There is remarkable progress!!! Congrats! Would love to hear a report on your mom!!!

[JustSom3dud3]

Thanks Biz, nice to hear from you again!

[themoon73]

Part 1

Thank you so much for doing this! I have done quite a bit of research on Dr. Simeons Protocol as well. I never purchased Kevin Trudeau's Weight Loss Cure, however, after reading and enjoying his first 2 books, I was naturally interested in learning about the core component (HCG) in his latest book. After many hours of internet research, I decided to order my HCG. I found a great site that sells HGC in preloaded syringes.

[themoon73]

Part 2

They provide a full diet program, instructions, and a counselor who is available via phone and email. The cost is also very reasonable. I'll be starting the program this weekend. Anyway, I'm 6' and weigh in at 215 lbs and I'm looking to lose 35-40 pounds on this diet. I found your videos after I ordered the program and they are certainly very encouraging and supportive. They also help me combat my wife's skepticism.

[poochcastilon]

did you do the pre program for a month with the colonics etc.... did you already change your diet.

[themoon73]

I'm not doing the "Trudeau" phase 1, nor have I read the book. I am doing another HCG program that is modeled after the Simeons protocol. I did do an herbal colon clense about 1 month ago, but that was not associated with, or in preparation of this diet. I have not yet changed my usual diet or caloric intake. I will be starting the 500 calorie per day diet on Monday along with my HCG injections. My load-up and first injection begins on Friday.

[TheFortressMaximus]

You see this is the problem here.  The body needs 1200 calories a day to function normally. That's just to sustain the organs and vital functions. What you're doing is called "fasting", and it's as old as the Bible and about ten times as dangerous. You see Fasting doesn't differientiate between lean tissue (muscle mass), fat or vital organs. It will break down anything available to sustain they body...and eventually will make your heart very unhealthy.

[Veroplaygurl06]

TO: TheFortressMAximus

What do you care what justsom3dud3 is doing? Obviously you have nothing better to do than come on here and critique. I really dont want to hear what you have to say and i can bet that no one else here wants to here what you have to say. Thats fine if you dont agree but all ive heard is positive comments about this diet and how its helped others. Justsom3dud3 is doing a great thing by coming on here and giving his input on his experience which alot of people appreciate.

[TheFortressMaximus]

He's also f**king his body up, and if anyone on here had an ounce of sense, or at the very least researched this stuff before they bought into it they wouldn't just post "great job dood, this stuff really work der!!!". As Thejaguarr said, there are no shortcuts to weight loss. That and people ought to no what a douche Kevin Trudeau is.

[JustSom3dud3]

Once again, another person who did not do their research on HCG

[thejaguarr]

HCG manipulates your hormonal profile. Are you debating this? It's prescribed as a treatment for low testosterone. Bodybuilders use it as a way to bring back their test and sperm production after running an anabolic steroid cycle, which supplants the test function. See my next response (damn 500 word limit)

[thejaguarr]

Look, I'm not trying to be negative or attack you, man. But I've been a bodybuilder and nutrition fanatic for many years and have had to use HCG to treat hypogonadism for over a year now. The things you are doing have potentially harmful side-effects and I hate to see someone mucking themselves up needlessly. I applaud your wanting to improve your health, but this approach is dangerous. There are better, healthier, safer ways.

[thejaguarr]

Could you please post your research links on HCG? I'd like to review it. Thanks.

[Sheepra]

hCG allows the body to access the nutrients from the abnormal fat stores so that one is utilizing 2000-3000 additional calories daily as that fat is released. Elegant process that totally has prevented hunger for me and most others, BUT protocol has to be followed explicitly. This is how you don't end up with the emaciation that normally follows highly restricted caloric intake diets. Note his visage is not sunk in nor are there dark circles below his eyes. He is getting plenty of calories!

[TheFortressMaximus]

There is no such animal as an "abnormal fat store". The body sheds fat from different areas depending on the individual. What you are talking about is called Spot reduction and it's the biggest myth in fitness. To reduce bodyfat from on area you must reduce it overall...and the body will decide from where it pulls.

[Sheepra]

Please actually read Dr. Simeons' Protocol before commenting further as until then you are discussing a subject you haven't thoroughly researched. He is the knowledgeable source of this information. I am currently on the protocol and have NO HUNGER & NO WEAKNESS. I know no other way to account for these facts.

[TheFortressMaximus]

I can. When you deprive the body of food as drastically as you are you go into 'starvation mode'. Meaning you trick your body into thinking food is not readily available.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Think of it this way (and yes I am quite familiar with Pounds and Inches)...if you were out in the wild and you didn't have food for like a week (a common occurance) it would be a detriment to you to be constantly craving nourishment....it would paralzye your ability to find food. So your body, not sensing any food around, shuts off that part of your hunger.

[JustSom3dud3]

Dude, why do you keep ignoring the fact that HCG releases calories from your fat. This point alone blows your whole "starvation mode" theory out of the water. You CLEARLY have very little knowledge on the topic and my opinion is that you just like to argue about things you know NOTHING about.

[TheFortressMaximus]

HCG is not a diet aid, you've simply bought into that myth. They debunked the claim back in the 60s. HCG is what bodybuilders and Athletes use to return their balls to normal size after steroid cycles. It affects your hormonal panel (which also have affects on food cravings einstien).  They do not release calories from fat stores...the only way to do that is exercise.

[JustSom3dud3]

We obviously do not agree with you and we certainly are not alone. So, are you trying to say that because bodybuilders use it for something else, then it must not have any other use right? It is VERY clear you have never used HCG have you? I understand we are TOLD that HCG does not work for fat loss, but I can assure you through actual EXPERIENCE that it does.

[JustSom3dud3]

and YES I HAVE tried a 500 calorie per day diet WITHOUT HCG and it is totally and completely different! So I KNOW it was the HCG that made the difference.

[TheFortressMaximus]

You've proven that starving yourself causes dramatic weight loss...brillant discovery Sherlock Holmes. You've also proven that taking something that screws around with your hormonal panel can mess with your food cravings and hunger. Most of us already knew that. And yes, I told you already I'm doing bodybuilding...we've all done HCG at some point.

[JustSom3dud3]

ok, dude, keep your head in the sand. I give up on you. I won't be responding to you again. I agree that you obviously disagree with all of us. P.S. I was NEVER starving. P.P.S. Bodybuilding and using HCG will not work the same as a VLCD with HCG. Done with you-

[TheFortressMaximus]

P.S. HORMONES AFFECT HUNGER. Therefore messing with your hormones could falsely eliminate your hunger...which is not a good thing.

P.P.S Yes it will. HCG affects your hormonal and endocrine panels. Your eating habits won't change this in the slightest. Bodybuilders eat a lot to support their musclemass, however not everybody who has ever used the drug recreationally for hormonal treatments is a bodybuilder.

[themoon73]

Part 3

I also completely share in your frustration of these ignorant morons that have the nerve to blast this protocol without ever trying it. The very best of luck to you and keep up the good work!

[pirucreek]

It sounds like your on some sort of diet too. According to Trudeau you don't have to do anything to your diet it is a cure. Also fish sounds like a low-carb diet. I tried atkins once, don't know why I stopped, but I shed pounds like you.

[JustSom3dud3]

You obviously have not read the book.

[TheFortressMaximus]

Just an FYI, speaking as a health professional, fitness model and bodybuilder in training in additionally to being a former fat kid...the diet you're undertaking is very dangerous. The effects of HCG aside, what you're doing is essentially fasting and it destroys your lean tissue and damages the heart.

[JustSom3dud3]

Really? What proof do you have of these "Dangers" you speak of? Do you even know what HCG does? It doesn't sound like you do if you are woried about my calorie intake.

[kainedamo]

500 calories a day is whats called fasting, my friend. Losing weight is a good idea, but not at the expense of your health. You're gonna screw up your body.

[Sheepra]

hCG allows the body to access the nutrients from the abnormal fat stores so that one is utilizing 2000-3000 additional calories daily as that fat is released. Elegant process that totally has prevented hunger for me and most others, BUT protocol has to be followed explicitly. This is how you don't end up with the emaciation that normally follows highly restricted caloric intake diets. Note his visage is not sunk in nor are there dark circles below his eyes. He is getting plenty of calories!

[TheFortressMaximus]

Actually I notice a distinct drop in skin tone. But say what you will, you know nothing of the human body. The body doesn't 'release' fat fyi.

[Sheepra]

My perception is different. He looks quite healthy to me. Insults are used by those who can win no other way. Peace.

[stretchmose]

I want to thank you for your progress videos they are truly insipiring. My question to you is how is your moms progress? Has she lost alot as well?

[JustSom3dud3]

She has, but does not want to post pictures or anything. She has lost almost exactly as much as I have

[barrett203]

So please answer back to my question... This (HCG PREGNYL 1500 I.U.) will last how long? It is three ampules. It's from the site you suggested. So how long will each ampule last? Am I right when I say that each ampule lasts 8 days for one person? Thank you.

[JustSom3dud3]

That is correct. If you use 175 IU per day, one 1500 IU ampule will last for 8 injection days.

[JCL2170]

What is your weight? Big difference for not even three weeks!

[gingerkat66]

Wow, great job! You are making fantastic progress. My HCG should be arriving Thursday. I am very inspired by watching you, and expecting some real results for myself as well.  Thanks for sharing your progress with us.