FDR Confers w/Middle East Chiefs 1945/2/21

[saxondog2001]

it looks that, by the end of WWII, Roosevelt is a world emperor.

[ILHG2357235]

i cant watch this video

lovin this video!! leave me a comment Np

[DjUtah09]

MR. LINDSTROMS CLASS!

[thebig1]

This is great old coverage.

[mc0558]

This meeting between Ibn Saud (aka King Abdulaziz) of Saudi Arabia and Roosevelt is where Roosevelt secured for US oil companies control of Saudi oil reserves, and thereby, US control of the world's oil supplies.

Roosevelt also promised Abdulaziz that the US would not support a Jewish state in Palestine, a promise that Truman fortunately went back on.

Roosevelt's great weakness is that he played the odds. He played the odds on American Blacks, on de Gaulle and on Israel.

[biginengland]

Did you notice that the american president did not stand to greet any of his guest??!!

[Psychosis1013]

Are you not aware he was a paraplegic and was in a wheel chair?

[biginengland]

I must admit I was not aware of that! So if that was the case he had an excuse! However what excuse do those clowns, so called leaders, had to meet the american president on his warship?! That does not reflect any kind of respect or independence! I believe it is so humiliating, bearing in mind it came after world war 2. The purpose of those meetings was to pave the road for the americans to take over from Great Britain. i.e. dominance over the region.

[mikescircus]

You should try to better understand historical facts before spewing out your amateur analysis. Roosevelt was handicapped. Get over it. Would you have preferred that Hitler won WWII? The US had made many mistakes in mideast policy since WWII. But the biggest mistakes were made by the corrupt Arab regimes themselves. I am tired of hearing cry babies blaming it all on big bad Uncle Sam. By the way, I am not a Republican and think Bush is an idiot.

[biginengland]

1) I might be an ameteur, but if you were not one too, you wouldnt have jumped to conclusions without reading my past two comments.

2) I did post an excuse for Roosvelt, and I do believe he was one of the very few american presidents with a strategic peaceful world vision.

[biginengland]

3) For people outside america and Europe, Asia and Africa, the allies were as bad as hitler if not worse, they won the war only to occupy, shed blood and divide more nations. So Please look from their perspective.

4) Whilst I agree with you on how corrupt the arab regimes are, you need to understand that their survival till now is fully based on american support.

[biginengland]

3) For people outside america and Europe, Asia and Africa, the allies were as bad as hitler if not worse, they won the war only to occupy, shed blood and divide more nations. So Please look from their perspective.

4) Whilst I agree with you on how corrupt the arab regimes are, you need to understand that their survival till now is fully based on american support.

[mikescircus]

I saw all your previous posts (including the Roosevelt correction). Point number 3 is a joke. "The Allies were as bad as hitler if not worse." You really think a world under a Hitler victory would have been better than the Allies? That is a crazy statement. I agree with point 4 (but only up to a limited point).

[biginengland]

1) Algeria alon lost over one million citizens to librate its lands from French occupation! Millions more everywehre else in Africa and Asia to revolt against Britain and France! History never jokes my friend!

2)'under' hitler or 'under' the allies?!! why should those nations be 'under' either camps? who are you, as a free human, 'under'?

[biginengland]

3) The US tells us 19 saudi terrorists attacked its land! Then the US goes to bombard Afganistan and Iraq!! Why not Saudi for gods sake? You do know the answer my freind!

4) The Sudi embassador to the US Bandar Bin Sultan received $2 billion in commisions from weapons deals with Britain according to a British invistigation commity, however people like him and the saudi royal family members are way beyond the reach of the law 'long' arms! why?

[biginengland]

5) I wish you could get the chance to go work and live for sometime in one of those guld states (saudi and the likes) to see the disgraceful amount of wasted wealth and how they slave and opress their own people! Then the Amreicans ask 'why do they hate us'?

Well those nations do realise they are indirectly slaved throug some corrupt proxy regimes.

6) We can be truly be humans if and only if we wish for the others what we wish for ourselves.

[mikescircus]

Let's remember what the Americans did in Germany and Japan after WW II. They allowed democracy to develop and in the process made sure neither of these war machines came back to haunt the world again. Now, I am no flag waving idiot. I know the US is far from perfect. But we can NOT fix all the problems in the world. The problems in the Arab world pre-date US hegenomy after WW II. The date back at least to the end of the Ottoman Empire (and really well before that).

[biginengland]

Those two so called 'democracies' did cost 50 million lives and two neucler bombs! War machines go, war machines come. Every war machine has its day, includin the the US.

Yes you are right the middle east was messy after WWI cos UK and France took over from Ottmen Empire and divided/shredded the region. The US inherited the region from them but only cared for their own strategic interest, i.e. OIL!

[mikescircus]

Look, you know and I know the US did NOT start WW II. We helped finish and the end result is both Germany & Japan are peaceful, successful democracies. Can you even stomach it for a second and give the US any credit for doing the right thing? It so simplistic to blame uncle sam for everything. I think you are smarter than that.

[biginengland]

And what worked in Europe never worked in Asia, or the Middle East. Different cases different cultures and histories! Anyway at least we agree in essence that at present the US policies towards the middle east are wrong and are ruled by one rule: secure the oil, so support the corrupt regimes, so oppress and forget about their nations, which subsequently nourishes terrorism.

[mikescircus]

I never claimed the Middle East was the same. The USA's only interest is oil? Nope. We are the biggest supporter of the only real democracy in the entire region (Israel). And they do NOT HAVE ONE DROP OF OIL!! If we only wanted oil we'd drop Israel and only kiss ass to the arab regimes. And don't tell me we use Israel to divide the Arabs. That's bullshit and igngores hitory.

[biginengland]

Come on man! The UN just said that 700,000 iraqis were killed by the US invasion! and one million childeren in the 12 year embarog preceeding the invasion. And you think The US is the angel of mercey. Wake up for bananas sake! You destroyed 2 countries Iraq and Afghanistan, and the world is not a safe place!

[mikescircus]

Hello, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WW II. And you can't counter my point about Israel. I am sorry for the bad manners but you are a pig headed European. Yes, the United States has fucked up in Iraq! At least I am man enough to admit it. You are a European cry baby that wants to blame all the world's ill's on the USA. As for Aghanistan, U are wrong, the Taliban fucked that country up. THe USA is merely trying to prevent it from sliding further into chaos.

[biginengland]

Thanks for the 'american' complements. As for Israel I refer you to my last comment. It's you choice to believe your 'foaax news' media, however according to Afgani people now swear by the days of safetey under Taliban. Eventhough I never liked Taliban but who are you or me to decide (then 'fuck up'!) for other nations.

[mikescircus]

1) I think you mean "faux" media. Unless you spell it differently in England. I don't pretend that the situation is good in Afghanistan. The American media has reported this fact.

[biginengland]

Sorry I was only taking the mickey by spelling the fox news in a rather odd way. So let's say we agree the afgani people were happier and safer under Taliban. Well that's what reports from there tell us. That was there choice of course. Even if we hated it!

[mikescircus]

Sorry, but the Taliban allowed Al Qaeda to set up shop. The US has a right to defend itself. I wish Bush was not president and we did a better job in helping the Afghan's rebuild and have a legitimate self-government. I am sure crime was very low when Hitler was in power. Doesn't mean he should be back in power. Same for the Taliban.

[biginengland]

We can't fix problems by causing more problems, whether it's Bush or Clinton, the US, like the UK, was not honest with its people when they went to war with Afghanistan, just like iraq when they lied about weapons of MD.

1) Taliban offerend handing BinLaden and his men if the US presents any evidence against them, but the US refused.

[biginengland]

2) Taliban offered handing Binladen and his men to a 3rd country where they can be trialed, the US refused seized the opportunity to establish a base near Russia.

3) AlQaeda and the 19 men of Sep11 and their ideaoloty comes from Saudi. Since the US keeps protecting that regime, it means they need it as excuse to wage more wars to attain more political and economic gains. Just like in Iraq.

[biginengland]

We obviously think very differently but it has been useful to exchange views with you. Thanks for that! Just if you have the time, type "the truth about 9 11" in the search bar of youtube and watch some of the documentaries there. You dont have to believe them, just use your own judgement. Also watch Fahrenheit 9 11 if you can.

[mikescircus]

I have to disagree. Michael Moore and Fox News are the flipside of the same coin. Very good propagandists for their own point of view. They are both very biased sources. As you said in a previous post, you have to read between the lines to reach your own conclusion.

[biginengland]

I couldnt agree more! Simply and logically there can't be a supernman who can live in a cave and wage a war on all the sophisticated high tech western intelegince! However that big lie called Binladen has to live long to justify more of the Wars that make few tacycoons and corporates more rich! no?

[boazrg]

YES. Both Fox commentators and Michael Moore are "hired guns" for their pet causes. There is some truth to what both these sources say, but it is not the whole truth.

[Stefcui]

The cure is worse than the problem.

[biginengland]

I blame the UK foreign policies as much as the US's, and our media here does try to spoon-feed us like yours does, however I choose to be resourceful and search into history as well as other news sites around the globe, let alone speaking directly to native people from the respective regions. Good luck to you buddy!

[mikescircus]

Hey, I take back the pig headed comment. You are willing to concede Europe is NOT perfect either. All your other posts are only critical of the USA. So thank you for being self-critical.

[biginengland]

The main foucus of critisism was the US cos the Youtube video on this page, remember?! Let me also remind you that I pointed some blaming fingers to UK and France in the beginning.

[mikescircus]

I never said the MidEast was the same. USA's interest is only about oil? I don't think so. We are the biggest supporters of the only "real" democracy in the region (Israel). And they do NOT HAVE A DROP OF OIL! If USA only wanted oil, they'd drop Israel and only kiss ass to the arab regimes. And don't say US supports Israel to divide the arabs. That ignores common sense and history.

[biginengland]

According to the United Naitons, after the collapse of the Pretoria regime in south africa, Israel is the only regime of racial segregation left in the world. Israel is a key ally to keep balance of power in the region, again to protect oil. The US also supports Jordan and Egypt both of which have no oil and are dectatorships!

[lalusa]

OMG! my dad will LOVE to see this!

[skyflex]

Your Dad would love to be like Ibn Saud, marry various women, sire 100 children and create his own dynasty and kingdom. If you type' Ibn Saud' on wikipedia you will see how mayn sons he had. Many of those sons are talked about on wikipedia.

[lalusa]

lol no, thats YOUR fantasy...

my dad he just loves history.

[rbassaf2]

I wounder if the grand kids of this 2 men knows that this vedio is excited.

[joyo1955]

I am also glad to see this!

[Bennybunny]

haile selassie a.k.a. Ras Tafari