cancer is a genetic station that happens whem your cells reproduce wrong.Its got more likelly to happen whem you are old.On the past everybody eles donner and eated less fast food,so furry normaly drop dead before time and cigarettes had effect.
Bill Maher is only wrong on vaccines, other things he's right on, diet, prevention, exercise, but he's right in that western medicine we mostly just treat symptoms and with this he's referring to cancerous former smokers, diabetics, alcoholics with cirrhosis of the liver and the obese....when your body is so damaged, drugs are the only hope to mask the symptoms, and can't fix the root cause that is no longer in place....this "medicine" is unsustainable and will get worse as the population grows.
@doggieGZ you need to read more into it, there's a lot of epigenetics going on that has taken an effect on our DNA in the past 100 years.....1 in 5 people used to get cancer few decades ago, now it's 1 in 3 and nobody wants to answer why...chemotherapy is incredibly toxic on the body, and yes chemotherapy only treats the symptoms because drugs cannot permanently alter one's DNA, that's why you have to keep taking prescriptions each day
@luv4knowledge I think your comment demonstrates the problem. It's the perfect example of how the people who are the most critical about pharmaceuticals are also the ones with the LEAST AMOUNT of basic knowledge ABOUT them. For example, you declare that the drugs only treat symptoms, yet you don't even seem to realize chemotherapy isn't a daily prescription medication. Do you even know how or what chemotherapy targets?
@doggieGZ what makes you an expert? I was a cancer researcher and I left because of how corrupt it is....do yourself a favor and read "The Cancer Industry" and you'll be shocked at how research is done, including the fudging of data....why do you think vioxx killed so many people? chemotherapy is a daily regimen for those who are dying from cancer, and even if it's not given daily, the effects last a lifetime.....a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug....if something is natural, it's not a drug...
@luv4knowledge "chemotherapy is a daily regimen for those who are dying of cancer" -again, no chemotherapy drug is ever given as a daily regimen. Not even for the most deadly forms of cancer.
"a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug....if something is natural, it's not a drug..." -pretty much all major pharmaceutical medications originated from plants. Antibiotics, anticoagulants were originally synthesized from plant alkaloids. Chemotherapy originates from the mustard plant.
@doggieGZ if someone takes chemo for 5 days straight, then that's daily....do you need me to define basic words for you?..."pretty much all major pharmaceutical medications originated from plants...I'm glad you have a PhD, then educate me on viagra, paxil, vioxx, lipotor, ambien, prozac, pepsid AC, and the list goes on .....those "plant based drugs" were used by natives in the natural form, when you isolate something from its natural source it behaves differently in your body chemically...
@doggieGZ do you know the cancer industry's definition of "cure"? If your cancer doesn't come back after 5 years of being in remission then you are considered cured.....so I guess all those people in which cancer comes back after 5 years of remission were never cured...you also didn't answer my question: why are cancer rates going up?
@doggieGZ chemotherapy targets various cell surface CD, and other cytoplasmic proteins, it doesn't target genes, we don't have a drug that targets the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes which lead to familial breast cancer...and you shouldn't be shocked to learn that cancers develop resistance to such regimens....can you justify cancer for me? Why does it exist? What is the evolutionary purpose behind cancer.....and DO YOU READ? I used to do cancer research. Read The Cancer Industry
@luv4knowledge "chemotherapy targets various cell surface CD, and other cytoplasmic proteins, it doesn't target genes" There isn't a single chemotherapy drug that targets a cell's surface Cluster of Differentiation...
I was right, you really have no idea how chemotherapy drugs work.
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what Bill Maher doesn't realize is that in countries that have free healthcare system like France, you go to the doctors and have even more tests than we do here. THe problem is hardly the fact that we use the hospital/doctor system too much unnecessarily. I understand Bill's point, he tends to take these giant generalizations according to his own healthy life experiences. It is quite sweeping and ignorant to say that a healthy person wouldn't have gotten swine flu. It could happen to anyone.
Actually Bill made some intelligent points. Medicines that treats only the symptom are sometimes harmful for the body since the symptoms are often the result of the body's immune system working. Such as fevers, mucus, etc etc. If you forcefully treat the symptoms without treating the cause, it actually slows recovery.
Vaccination is good in life threatening conditions, but rely on it too much hinders the natural auto immune system the longer we depend on it.
@Neosaigo "Actually Bill made some intelligent points. Medicines that treats only the symptom are/.../"
...and how much of evidence based medicine (aka "western" medicine [what evidence and reason are things exclusive to the west now?]) is based on only treating the symptoms, while ignoring the disease?
None.
...thus meaning his arguments are utterly stupid.
"Vaccination is good in life threatening conditions"
Eh, no.
That's not what they're for and not situations where they're sensible.
That was really bad editing. I think you left out information that was vital to the argument. That topics are not explained and they can change quickly. I don't see how he got "pwned."
@RUINERx117 Oh really? Such as what? "That topics are not explained and they can change quickly." Can you clarify what you mean? And first and foremost I wasn't trying to pwn him. I mostly just wanted people to at least be aware that he holds these views (and amidst the healthcare debate and the H1N1 craze, yes i admit it wasn't that dangerous a virus) and then I figured I would at least clear up some misconceptions about vaccines that were beginning to bother me.
@muaddib17 oh, i thought you were trying to make a point against him. i couldnt tell what angle you were coming from with it. i linked to this from a video that WAS trying to pwn him, and skipped to this, and figured it was kind of the same. I didn't realize it was just an "inform people on his views" video. my bad.
Um... so, is everyone commenting that they DON'T agree with Maher's POV on being distrusting of Western Medicine and vaccines as the only option, and that we should be allowed to question it?
Because, honestly, what he is saying sounds pretty... er, logical to me. ??
@Edgehead10075 Actually not all Eastern medicine are quackery. Acupuncture, nutrition, and the use of leech and maggots are actually adopted by western medicine to treat illnesses to great effect.
Leech are capable of treating certain local blood disease by sucking out the bad blood. Maggots can allow people with dead rotten flesh from certain diseases to recover, the reason being maggots only eats the rotten dead flesh and allow for recovery.
@Neosaigo "Actually not all Eastern medicine are quackery. Acupuncture, nutrition, and the use of leech and maggots are actually adopted by western medicine"
Bullshit.
Acupuncture: There is not sufficient scientific backing for it (a few positive studies, a few not positive... nothing solid)
Nutrition: Has ALWAYS been part of health EVERYWHERE. We didn't get it from the east.
Leeches and maggots: ...were used in the west for ages. We didn't get it from the east.
@rainman0915 Honestly could you not have just injected your own opinion on the issues at hand instead of just telling me to withhold my opinion? Furthermore, you can find all the clips in their entirety here on YT. What I figured I would do is to offer some more facts (and some rebuttals to Bill Maher) and in such a way as to facilitate more discussion. Thank you very much for watching
Yea I agree some of his views are a littled skewed but other parts he's right. particularly about the swine flu, look in some medical journals and you'll see that h1n1 was a less virulent strain than most seasonal strains that come along.
@theUSER101 The drugs today work extremely well?? Really? Which ones? What is alternative medicine? do you even know? Saying something is conspiracy theory doesn't make it so. Ask an RA patient how well the drugs work...I have a feeling you have never actually been sick
@jvaish Well from my perspective you asking me which drugs work makes no sense. Why don't you tell me which drugs don't work and I'll tell you how they do. You have your bull shit conspiracies with no evidence what so ever. I know what alternative medicine is and I know its quackery. There is no evidence to support almost everyone of them. Just because we don't know the cure for everything, doesn't mean our medicine isn't better then quackery.
@theUSER101 I don't have enough room to list which drugs don't work. I would suggest you read "The Truth about the Drug Companies" by Marcia Angell, former editor of the NEJM. No evidence my ass. You are either very naive or a corporate shill. I don't know what "health consultant" means, as that is what you list on your profie, but I'm pretty sure it's a misnomer. Keep on repeating to yourself you know what's going on til you actually believe it. Ad-hominem attacks only show your true lack.
@jvaish I guess I could suggest "Trick or Treatment" by: Professor Edzard Ernst and Simon Singh, a few MD, PhD's for ya. Also a few of Michael Shermers Books. A book is not evidence either way. You already have tried to incorporate me as part of the conspiracy "corporate shill". There is difference between you and a holocaust denier, reptilian conspiracy, 911 conspiracy, ext. You have no evidence for your BS and in most cases alternative medicine has been debunked. Name 1 drug that doesnt work
@theUSER101 Mention Shermer and I know you are wasting my time. He's a low-level hack who was previously a religious zealot who lost his little version of God. Vioxx doesn't work. Humira, Methotraxate work no more than placebo effect, by definition. Most chemo drugs are ineffective against most cancers. Please, take all the vaccines and pharma you want. You'll be doing us all a favor.
@jvaish If you think Michael Shermer is a hack then you are a true nut case and everything must be a big conspiracy. The crazy thing about science is that it actually works. Call Shermer what you want, but he debunks quackery with controlled experiments, he even has some on video. Please don't tell me about the placebo effect. That is all alternative medicine is, except in the end the person dies because they didn't get real medical help. Medicine is all we have, your quackery is no better.
@theUSER101 Ok, last post. Not EVERYTHING is a big conspiracy. There are almost always grey areas. I am sure people who work for pharmaceutical companies are varied in opinion and motivation, for example. Science, which seems to you to be work done in a lab, is a great idea. Unfortunately, it is often not conclusive and is corrupted by politics and money. I will gladly lump myself in with so-called conspiracy groups who in reality are typically just people who question the status quo. Word!
@jvaish The book you gave me is complete bull shit. So many Doctors ext. have refuted her half truths and illogical arguments. My point however is that I know there is some corruption everywhere from wall street to the pharmaceutical companies. What is your obsession with RA? Although medicine may not be perfect, we are working on it. Alternative medicine is no better and for the most part is over hyped bull shit. From Acupuncture to L-Arginine, it just doesn't work.
And a lot of the time it is, unfortunately woo woo has a strong presence in medicine. There are simpletons aplenty who think that modern medicine is all wrong that pseudoscience and hocus pocus (often spiritually flavored) are an alternative.
"corrupted"
Such is the case in almost any major human enterprise. Conspiracy nuts aren't about questioning, they're about blind faith in their ideas. Ask any of them for evidence and watch how pissed they get.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 What's woo woo? What's science? I have seen more believers in so-called science who cling to their ideas than any conspiracy theorist. I haven't met that many people who think modern medicine is all wrong. They just think the majority of the people running it are motivated by profit and greed and ignorance. What's evidence? There's more to the world than meets the eye..what more can I say? nada.
@jvaish Woowoo is a broad general term for tripe based on no evidence (ie spiritual piffle, medical quackery, conspiracy theories, etc).
"Cling to their ideas"
You seem to think that ideas are equal in merit regardless of how much supporting evidence they have. Believing that water boils at 212F is not at all irrational, believing that the moon is made of cheese or that demons are the cause of disease are not. As for meeting the eye, that's why we have tools to make up for our limitations.
@jvaish You would think that they are just against the corruption part of it, but take anti-vaccination loonies. Their original complaint was that mercury compounds in vaccines caused autism, this was thoroughly and repeatedly refuted, and superior replacements had already been implemented in many cases. When that tripe was beaten down (though many still cling to it) they simply moved the goalposts, now it's a plot to sterilize people or make them weak. Some people simply believe in twaddle.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 The term "anti-vaccine" crowd is a term created by the media and/or so called skeptics. I have never met anyone who is purely anti-vaccine. This lack of discernment is the real problem that causes a lack of communication. Your criticisms are too general and not backed up by actual evidence. It's good to be skeptical, but not to the point where you cling to ideas and generalities purely out of principle; just put down the mirror ;)
@jvaish "I have never met anyone who is purely anti-vaccine"
How hard can you have looked? It's not like they keep their opinions to themselves. Which criticisms are too general and which of them require further substantiating evidence?
"principle"
Except that skepticism and logic are principles, the facts regarding anti vaccine movements or homeopathic medicine aren't exactly ambiguous, there's a clearly supported side, and one that is almost a self-parody.
Actually most chemo drugs are extremely effective. Killing cancer is easy, the problem is killing the cancer cells without killing the patient. Targeted chemo is making substantial progress in destroying mainly cancer cells without so much "collateral damage" to the body, medicine like all science is a work in progress. On the other hand pseudoscientific piffle marketed by quacks is not only corrupt but ineffective as well.
@theUSER101 Lots of drugs don't work, work badly, or don't work well enough to merit their potential side effects. There are also conditions that aren't fixable with drugs. On the other hand the large majority of them do work rather well. It's not perfect, but then what is? You've got big pharma and the guru/faith healer/snake charmer, both are out to make a buck, only one is medically useful.
@theUSER101 I just don't get the uh "creative" logic of some of these people. Pharmaceutical companies (or big pharma to use the annoying media catchphrase) are out to make money, they sometimes engage in behavior ranging from ethically questionable to downright contemptible, therefore vaccines and/or drugs and medication are dangerous and evil.
This is like thinking that because auto and oil companies are corrupt, cars are therefore an ineffective means of transportation. Total non sequitur.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 Hmm. Cars are pretty primitive machines actually. The violent internal combustion engine is incredibly inefficient. Subscribing a moral attribute to a medicine strikes me as an odd way of putting it. They are simply questioning if there is an issue with the vaccines causing unintended consequences. Many of the medicines we have are overkill; primitive and ineffective. Maybe someday they will get it right, but as for now I will skip them as much as I can. U can have my H1N1
@jvaish Inefficient but practical, and currently the most important means of human transportation.
"simply questioning"
No, skeptics demand evidence, and do not espouse positions couched entirely in belief. Ignoring evidence and clinging to a belief that has no evidence is not the act of an intelligent person, it's simply cultish and silly. Actually the koolaid du jour amongst many anti-vax nuts is that they're a plot to make us ill.
Most medications do their job as well as could be wished. But it's good that you avoid them unless it's necessary, over use of drugs has created many problems, notably with antibiotics and increasingly resistant bacterial strains.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 That's an oversimplification based on an emotional response. Everyone does this it seems and it ignores discernment. Science is a great idea, like capitalism and communism, but the way it operates on a large scale is tainted with human greed and ignorance. Gallileo was made to recant his theories or be excommunicated. Human beings have to evolve beyond their primitive constructs and limitations or science will be forever in the realm of an -ism.
@jvaish I wouldn't say communism was even a good idea, let alone a great one. Actually science is innately opposed to ignorance, the entire point of it being to discern the facts through evidence and observation. You can thank religious nonsense for stifling Galileo (among quite a few other things) and promoting ignorance. Human beings aren't going to evolve beyond their "primitive" constructs, at least not anytime soon. Waiting for a utopia seems like a waste of time to me.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "Evidence and observation". Yep, but you dont need a lab to do this for everything. The meaning of science seems to have been changed to mean this. Religious nonsense has been taken over by scientific nonsense, which is what I referenced before. The death of dogma is the birth of reality.
@jvaish Who is claiming that a lab is required? I think you might simply have been watching too much television and come away with a picture that science solely involves white coats and test tubes.
"scientific nonsense"
Except that science can support it's claims with evidence, religion is notoriously lacking in any kind of supporting evidence. Trying to split the difference so as not to upset ignorant zealots is neither effective nor intellectually honest.
When dealing with a child (or in your case a retard) you have to stoop to their level in order for them to understand, and it seems it worked! LMAO FUCTARD!!!!!! No, I don't need to publish a paper. Many Dr's have already done that in medical journals, but then you don't read much do you FUCKTARD!!!! So the next time someone sneezes in your face, or into their hand then shakes yours without washing it, don't worry! You'll be JUST fine!
@nvieira100 Oh hello again retard. Didnt realise you replied because you were too dumb or scared to address the message to me. What the fuck is your point!? You actually dont even have one now do you? You've either forgotten it or realised that it was complete bullshit. Ergo you responded with another bullshit message that said absolutely nothing. LMAO ROFL LOL ROFLCOPTER! Jesus are you ever dumb! People must fucking hate talkin to u. Id struggle not to hit someone as dumb as you.
@pkearne Oh look !!! The Fucktard is back!! How was the asylum? Did ya get vaccinated? I'm assuming you did. Like all mutts taken to the vet, YOU TOO must be vaccinated before being allowed back into the population. Your rabbies must be controlled!!! LMAO!! Yup, your comment says ALOT ... about YOU! You've just once again proved you're a Fucktard!!! Now, go back to your kennel. I can see you drooling from here! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
@nvieira100 Haha! Wow! I really got to you didnt i? You sound like you're fit to pop! Its always great when the person you're talkin to starts talking absolute shit. Lets me know iv won. You know i was so attracted by your personality that i took the liberty of going on your page. I was most displeased by what i found however. Apart from the fact that its full of absolute shit that no one cares about, it also has a picture of you. Although there is plenty to say, the less said the better.
Bill is ABSOLUTELY correct on this issue. Swine flu vaccine? Yeah, right! Funny thing, in Canada, where health care is free, Dr.'s came out and basically said Swine Flu is as "dangerous" as your regular flu. If you want to prevent catching it, do what you're always supposed to do. Wash your hands OFTEN. The vast majority of people in Canada didn't get the vaccine, and guess what? We're all still alive!!! LMAO!
@nvieira100 You're a moron. Washing your hands won't prevent you from getting the flu for christ sake. Know what will though? A vaccination! And I have a degree in microbiology so dont try to bullshit me.
@pkearne You're the moron fucktard! YES washing hands DOES prevent the flu. WTF do you think kids get sick more often than adults fucktard? Because they play with other kids at school, then put their fingers in their mouths or eat lunch without washing their hands FUCKTARD! Covering your mouth when you cough and sneeze also prevents the flu FUCKTARD! You have a degree in microbiology do you? Well then, you must have got it from a crackerjack box FUCKTARD!
@nvieira100 Haha! Nice use of the words fucktard. You might not have undercut your point if you hadnt resorted to childish namecalling. You dumb twat!
Flu is transferred through the air. Its normally transferred by people breathing in the bacteria. Ergo washing your hands isnt gonna do shit you dumb cunt. Well done on your really intelligent and well thought out hypothesis on eradicating the disease though moron. Really! Have you thought about publishing a paper on your excellent idea?
@pkearne How can you say washing your hands isn't going to do shit. Washing our hands has saved more lives than anything us humans have ever came up with.
@theUSER101 Im saying washing your hands isnt going to prevent you from catching a virus when someone coughs in your face. However a vaccine could prevent this.
Im a holistic nutritionist and bill is absolutly spot on. Ive read mostly all the research hes referenced and i will tell you right now; he is definatly right. We should shift our goals from treating disease; to preventing it and living well.
@soundslave Read about IgF1 and rBGH. Then read about pasturzation and its effects on enzyme content in milk; particularly lactase which is the enzyme found in raw milk that allows us to digest lactose; which is the carbohydrate in milk.
Bill Maher thinks drinking cows milk is dangerous to your health. He should stick to politics, because this views on health and diet are a bit... strange.
This is disgraceful. Bill Maher is one of the stupidest people on TV. I'm sure all of you Liberal leftwing idiots know about Ben Stein's "masterpiece" expelled. I'm sure you like to pat yourselves on the back and say how stupid he is for wanting to "have an open scientific debate" about evolution. Idiot right???
Yet what is Bill doing here?? He wants to "have an open scientific debate" about something totally scientifically proven.
I love the way bill just throws out random bullshit baseless statements like "No progress has been made in cancer". Weird how he claims religious people ignore science when he does just that in regards to health. Bizarre! He thinks he can quote a sixty year old paper on vaccines and no one will notice. And talk as if they pump mercury into vaccines. Thiomersal is gone from vaccines even though there was no proof of toxicity. Leave the science to the scientists bill.
In reality, I did like the initiative taken with this video . Now, can you use it for good and pick any moment on Fox to dissect? That would give you some great material and might be worth watching.
@bradgpierce I don't appreciate being called a dumb-ass (I am happy at least someone had a laugh). Fortunately for you, I have used my initiative to dissect some moments on Fox News. You can Check out my latest vid about BIll O'Reilly's tirade with the ladies at the view and Muslims.
I would rather see these comments in context then have some dumb-ass pick certain parts he can find info on the Internet to discredit. Obviously there is a reason Bill has a show and you don't! You know: believing the Internet is all factual is as brilliant as taking everything Bill says as gospel. Dumb- ass!! At least I got a good laugh and got to call someone a dumb-ass!
@bradgpierce None of it is context. Jesus are you ever stupid! Pretty much the entire conversation with bill frist is in there, while the other clips have bill saying "Nasonex will shove the mucus down your throat". Do you really need context there you fucking idiot!? Are you that dumb that you cant work out what he's saying?
@pkearne ok dumbass... Obviously you are much too thick to comprehend what we are talking about and apparently can only use derogatory terms to attempt to make your point. The one I started this conversation with didn't seem to have any trouble understanding what context is so I'm not going to waste my time with a little bitch who has neither the education nor the class.
@bradgpierce I see you realised what a fucking moron you were when you saw that you couldnt refute anything i just said. So you just said the other guy understood. No he didnt actually. You retard! Cos what you're saying was bullshit. I love when stupid people have no clue how dumb they are, and try to call other people uneducated. Cracks me up!
@pkearne Oh, I have no doubt that my education supersedes your total knowledge base by a factor of thousands. Which is exactly why I my spelling is perfect, my sentences are not fragmented and I can spell. Maybe if you would spend a little more time with these means you would understand this conversation. Anyway, I am sure I will hear another tacky response from an obviously ignorant child so let it rip. For me, my time with you has ended.
@bradgpierce "why I my spelling is perfect, my sentences are not fragmented and I can spell".How ironic!Discussing perfect sentences while shoving an "I" in where it doesnt belong and accidentally mentioning spelling twice in the same sentence. As well as using the phrase- "by a factor of thousands".Remarkable grammar! All the while not being able to come up with one example of why you need context for anything in the video. I hope you realise just how dumb you look right now. Its laughable.
This is the one thing I really disagree with Bill Maher on. He is totally against science in this. What he is right about is that Big Pharma's interests don't necessarily align with an individual's, and Americans turn to drugs too quickly. However to say that is 'Western Medicine' is misleading and misguided. He should differentiate between corporate medicine and western medicine. As western medicine is the only effective medicine because it is the only medicine that is science led.
Well, he's right that the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of political power, and he's right that the source of a lot of American health problems is behavioural. He's a little out in left field on vaccines, though.
There is nothing antithetical to science in what Maher is saying. He is questioning the healthcare system and the motives of the pharmaceutical industry. This is perfectly legitemate and reasonable. How is it antithetical to science to assert that maybe huge corporations might be operating in a nefarious way? It seems antithetical to reason and rationality (not to mention immoral) to dismiss this possibility without examining it. No one thinks the tobacco companies were honest.
@SeekerLancer No, he understands it all too well. It's the naive idealists who think science isn't perverted by financial interests who don't get it. Vaccines are not fool proof and some are just a waste. The CDC schedule of 24 vaccines in 18 months for newborns has never been tested completely. You are rolling the dice either way.
western medicines sucks....they cure symptoms..not causes.....to be frank abrahamic religions are a disgrace to the world.......if you take out caste system from india it has the best to offer in medicine, science
i used to like bill maher because he seems so reasonable. but when he has an agenda he can be just as irrational as the next scumbag trying to sell something. he pushes this crusade against the medical profession and big pharma (not that i necessarily trust either) with a lot of energy and very little sense and since every contrary, illogical position he takes usually ends with israel, i have to assume this one does too. i just haven't figured out how.
As a clinical psychologist he creates actually a good point that not just psychology, but medicine has. We are focusing on symptom and reducing the human illness to a symptom fact check. Much like psychological disorders, medical disorders often have overlap and similar symptoms. Unforunately, for the field of psychology, modern medical models are running stale and other options are being pursued. I don't agree with the conspiracy, but I do agree for psychology it is time for change
alternative medicine is just complete bullshit. If you think peering in your eyes and drinking water works...fine.
Just stay away from other people. Hasnt the lesson of 11 billion dollars (NCCAM's) taught anybody anything.
Bill Maher, sorry mate...dont lie about studies you have made up and your mis informed views of product anaylses. Your alternative medicine products are insanely full of junk
Guys, you can read scientific studies, Nothing Bill quotes comes from a scientific journal
Thank heavens Bill is able to explain the basic functions of the human body to the dimwit general population. He's bang on, it's just unfortunate that so many people aren't educated enough to understand.
Alternative medicine doesn't help no more than drinking soda to quinch your thrist. I'll rather trust the FDA than that crap because it works and have saved lives, true they have side effects but so does too much Vitamin C.
The ironic thing is that, with regard to the global warming debate, Maher has the sense to acknowledge that he isn't a scientist (nor are the scores of climate change denial imbeciles), and we should respect the findings of the scientists who've spent their lives studying the issues; likewise, he isn't a physician, has never been to med school, and is most definitely NOT the one to be preaching on issues like the benefit of vaccinations. It's just as irrational as that dippy actress...(cont)
...(cont). who was going on talk shows trying to suggest that childhood vaccinations lead to autism. We should be taking our lead from scientists, physicians, the CDC, and public officials on these issues, not talk show hosts, failed actresses, pop stars and spokesmodels.
the Council of Europe is formally looking into the frauds committed by Pharma and WHO? Go and tell them that it's a conspiracy theory and they have no proof....
The problem that Bill Maher has with vaccinations is not the vaccination itself but the other chemicals such as thimerosal with comes from mercury (which is poisonous) that they place inside the vaccine as a preservative.
But if you don't take any vaccinations & stick to a healthy diet the incidence of getting sick reduces drastically. Experiments on animals proves this. If you want further evidence try it on yourself. Be your own guinea pig. You'll know what I'm talking about if you try it on yourself. Vaccinations would be completely unnecessary if people could exercise self control over what they eat.
When you add refined white sugar, white flour, deep fried foods, alcohol, caffeine or petrochemicals health problems intensify. Eating foods raw & avoiding refined foods such as sugar & flour as well as deep fried foods & alcohol does reduce the probability of getting all the flus, colds & infections that people routinely take vaccinations for. You can take all the vaccinations you want, but if you eat junk food you will get sick anyway.
Bill Maher's views on both religion & western medicine are correct. There is a dentist namde Dr. Weston Price who did experiments on cats where he gave one group a raw food diet & the other the same food in cooked form. The cats who ate the cooked food developed diseases similar to those found in humans & eventually died. Those that ate the raw diet lived healthy long lives without illness.
Viruses like the flu do mutate very fast, on the order of days. This is why they offer seasonal flu shots because the shot you got last year is no longer effective against the newest strain. It's not offered more frequently because it takes a while for enough people to catch a new strain.
Flu is always prevalent, year round, but flu season is when the most people acquire it. This is when new shots are offered, when there is the greatest demand.
GOP all the way....and I can't help but agree with Bill on many of the points. Big Pharm is a corrupt bunch that shouldn't be trusted. Quacks deserve to be squashed, but there are some forms of "alternative" medicine that FREE PEOPLE living in the USA should be ALLOWED to try if they are burdened with a fatal or near-fatal disease. FREE PEOPLE should have the RIGHT to decide if this is the way they want to go....and Nationalized Health Care will dumb-down the system in the criminal sense.
You've seen the drug ads, with the last half of the commercial listing the horrible side effects and DISEASES that are caused by the drug they are advertising.
Another point Bill was trying to make was that the pharmaceutical companies are trying to eradicate "alternative" medicine, and is true! It is well known that the CAUSE of scurvy is a lack of vitamin C. Logically eating an orange will CURE you of scurvy and it will, but they've made it ILLEGAL for someone selling oranges to claim that!
You know why tumors grow back? Because you haven't corrected what CAUSED IT! This isn't that hard to understand. Modern medicine is just trying to find a way that you can still eat your crappy nutritionally depleted, carcinogenic food from McDicks or even normal food from the grocery store, and watch TV all day sucking down a gallon of coke. You want to be healthy? Stop treating your body like crap! The people who treat their body right DON'T GET SICK. Everyone needs to learn how to be healthy.
Yes.... So that really explains why everybody lived to be 120 years old before we had all of this corporate food. I am not saying those carcinogenic" foods are good for you; however, as modern medicine has improved so has life expectancy.
@muaddib17 Life expectancy increased because we manage sewage, use clean water to drink and wash, discovered antibiotics, and found ways to immunise ourselves from disease. Medicine is the legitimate provider of health care because lawyers and politicians made it law. Their rights to access "fee for service" also made some doctors very rich. This is why health care is so expensive. Their power is so entrenched they are the accepted norm; few question their legitimacy.
@muaddib17 Yes there have been lots of amazing developments in modern medicine that has increased peoples lifespan. The sanitization of hospitals was huge, as well as improved equipment to better detect diseases before they got as serious, and also improved emergency procedures that give a better chance of survival to patients. So I agree with you that credit is deserved there. But the quality of life in terms of health has decreased. People are sicker, sadder, and fatter than ever.
the explosion of microbiological studies in the 19th and 20th century does though. And there is no disagreement that life expectancy has improved, but there is an argument for evolution of technology used in medicine and not medicine itself
@muaddib17 People in general are not living longer. We just have a lot less premature deaths now days. If you think people really only lived until they were 35-50 100 to 200 years ago, thats crazy. Look out the founding fathers and the presidents in the early days. They all lived until they were old as hell. Sanitation plays a huge roll in less premature deaths, same with emergency medicine. Cholesterol lowering drugs ext, are kind of bull shit and should never be long term.
@nagol1000 "People who treat their body right DON"T GET SICK" What do you base that statement on? Healthy people get sick all the time...disease is more complicated than just good nutrition and exercise.
@azbacnikorange That was a revelation for me. I can tell you don't know anyone in great health. I know a few and they really are amazing specimens. And they truly do not get sick. I am not a very good model for eating right, but I avoid the crap and even I haven't gotten seriously ill in 3, maybe 4 years. Yes there more factors to think about than nutrition and exercise, but you are what you eat. You should read up on this stuff, I promise you'll be surprised what your doctor doesn't tell you.
@nagol1000 No sorry you don't know what you are talking about. Three words: congenital cardiac abnormalities. That is, healthy athletes who suddenly drop dead. Also, Atrial fibrillation is a specific example. It's congenital and is associated with a higher risk of stroke. Type 1 diabetes (insulin dependent) diabetes is completely congenital and is NOOOT cured by diet.
@azbacnikorange What about congenital cardiac abnormalities and AF? Do you think that just happens randomly with no cause behind it? Come on you're a man of science aren't you? Just because someone is an athlete doesn't mean they're perfectly healthy. And diabetes can absolutely be controlled by diet to the point where they don't need insulin, the hard part is getting a diabetic to completely change their lifestyle. Watch the documentary "simply raw".
@nagol1000 Very true but you don't need to be raw to achieve that. I'm a Vegan so damn you Raw foodist, just joking. Diet change can help a lot but medicine works faster and can buy you more time.
@HybridD91 Don't get me wrong, if I have a major health problem or I'm in an accident and time is a factor in my survival, get me to a doctor! And save me with drugs and surgery! But these days people often take drugs to stay healthy, when they actually do the opposite. The side effects of taking too much vitamin c are pretty tame compared the side effect "death" i hear in so many drug ads. People have cured cancer by taking high doses of intravenous vitamin c with minimal side effects.
@azbacnikorange Yes we made these things into sciences, but nutrition and exercise did not spontaneously appear when we showed up haha. And guess what? Chances are your doctor has little to NO training in nutrition. Don't you see a problem with that? Know why tumors grow back in so many patients? They haven't corrected the underlying problem. Open your eyes. If you don't see the truth in this, that's your loss. It's not my job to convince you, you have to research for yourself.
@azbacnikorange Oh btw and I was looking at your profile, and you have an excellent taste in music. The beatles, Beethoven to NIN, Mr. Bungle and Skinny Puppy (I'm watching "dig it" right now). That's the way to go. I got to see SP when they came back here to Vancouver for the first time in over a decade. It was outstanding!
@nagol1000 Well, it is truth that when you take off a tumors you do not ruled out the problem... However, 2 things first: one, it does not always grow back; in fact, all benign tumors don't growth back at all; only some malignant tumors grow back once in a while (too often, but on a statistical scheme it is still not so common)... Two, even if diet is an increasing factor, there is some genetic factor not to be forgotten since they are more important in the creation of Carcinoma in situ ;)
@nagol1000 Another fuckwit! You can't CORRECT fucking cancer with healthy living you idiot! A lot of cancer is genetic i.e. nothing you can do about it. If there is recurrence then the only thing you can do is go back on treatments. But if you get cancer and have recurrence then by all means, eat healthy. Im sure the cancer will just DISAPPEAR that way! Jesus!
@nagol1000 Another fuckwit! You can't CORRECT fucking cancer with healthy living you idiot! A lot of cancer is genetic i.e. nothing you can do about it. If there is recurrence then the only thing you can do is go back on treatments. But if you get cancer and have recurrence then by all means, eat healthy. Im sure the cancer will just DISAPPEAR that way! Jesus!
@nagol1000 Whats your point? Are you suggesting that we get rid of all of our western medicine and start relying on prayer, homeopathy, magic and Chi? We have what we have. Its the people fucking choice not to do a little reading. If they want to be lazy fat fucks, then at least they can live longer doing it with our medicine. Do you think Doctors can really treat the Cause? its up to the fucking person. Our medicine is great, be thankful.
BIll Maher is almost right on the button, unfortunately he hasn't done enough research to show these people the evidence. There is a time and a place for drugs and surgery, that is in an EMERGENCY. What western medicine lacks is education in preventing disease. What most people can't seem to grasp is the fact that if you have cancer, something your doing CAUSED IT! Do doctors tell you what causes it? Nope. They give you drugs to cover symptoms and cut out tumors which often grow back anyway.
its true what bill says, ''western medicine shuts down debate about alternatives''. he is dead right. i bet people here havent heard of ozone therapy, a potential cure all therapy. why havent we heard of it? you guessed . shut down by the fda. they dont want to touch it because it would compromise the other medicine that are circulating nd making profits . and the drugs we have today dont even work for the most part and lobbysts are always influencing to keep it that way
So.... would this ozone therapy - or Bill's example, Laetrile - be free? Don't these alternative medicine people really have as much of a profit motive? So, the way I see, it really comes down to which medicine has evidence to back it up.
i am not saying that making profits is bad. its a free country and everyone should do what they want. The point is that for example chemotherapy for cancer has been used for more than half a century and although in some cases it has done some good, for the most part it is useless. and the reason we keep using chemotheraoy its because the manufacturers were smart enough to send out lobbysts to washington so that it stays the drug of choice and block other therapies that show much more promise
* mutation and they not station and furry,this dammed fone
blvalverde 4 months ago
cancer is a genetic station that happens whem your cells reproduce wrong.Its got more likelly to happen whem you are old.On the past everybody eles donner and eated less fast food,so furry normaly drop dead before time and cigarettes had effect.
blvalverde 4 months ago
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Bill Maher is only wrong on vaccines, other things he's right on, diet, prevention, exercise, but he's right in that western medicine we mostly just treat symptoms and with this he's referring to cancerous former smokers, diabetics, alcoholics with cirrhosis of the liver and the obese....when your body is so damaged, drugs are the only hope to mask the symptoms, and can't fix the root cause that is no longer in place....this "medicine" is unsustainable and will get worse as the population grows.
luv4knowledge 5 months ago
Damn i'm kind of sad how dissappointing Bill Maher's knowledge is on basic sciences. I used to look up to him. This is realy dissappointing.
You think Anti bacterials only treat the symptoms? Chemo therapy only treats the symptoms?
doggieGZ 5 months ago
@doggieGZ you need to read more into it, there's a lot of epigenetics going on that has taken an effect on our DNA in the past 100 years.....1 in 5 people used to get cancer few decades ago, now it's 1 in 3 and nobody wants to answer why...chemotherapy is incredibly toxic on the body, and yes chemotherapy only treats the symptoms because drugs cannot permanently alter one's DNA, that's why you have to keep taking prescriptions each day
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doggieGZ 5 months ago
@luv4knowledge I think your comment demonstrates the problem. It's the perfect example of how the people who are the most critical about pharmaceuticals are also the ones with the LEAST AMOUNT of basic knowledge ABOUT them. For example, you declare that the drugs only treat symptoms, yet you don't even seem to realize chemotherapy isn't a daily prescription medication. Do you even know how or what chemotherapy targets?
doggieGZ 5 months ago
@doggieGZ what makes you an expert? I was a cancer researcher and I left because of how corrupt it is....do yourself a favor and read "The Cancer Industry" and you'll be shocked at how research is done, including the fudging of data....why do you think vioxx killed so many people? chemotherapy is a daily regimen for those who are dying from cancer, and even if it's not given daily, the effects last a lifetime.....a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug....if something is natural, it's not a drug...
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doggieGZ 5 months ago
@luv4knowledge "chemotherapy is a daily regimen for those who are dying of cancer" -again, no chemotherapy drug is ever given as a daily regimen. Not even for the most deadly forms of cancer.
"a drug is a drug is a drug is a drug....if something is natural, it's not a drug..." -pretty much all major pharmaceutical medications originated from plants. Antibiotics, anticoagulants were originally synthesized from plant alkaloids. Chemotherapy originates from the mustard plant.
doggieGZ 5 months ago
@doggieGZ if someone takes chemo for 5 days straight, then that's daily....do you need me to define basic words for you?..."pretty much all major pharmaceutical medications originated from plants...I'm glad you have a PhD, then educate me on viagra, paxil, vioxx, lipotor, ambien, prozac, pepsid AC, and the list goes on .....those "plant based drugs" were used by natives in the natural form, when you isolate something from its natural source it behaves differently in your body chemically...
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doggieGZ 4 months ago
@doggieGZ do you know the cancer industry's definition of "cure"? If your cancer doesn't come back after 5 years of being in remission then you are considered cured.....so I guess all those people in which cancer comes back after 5 years of remission were never cured...you also didn't answer my question: why are cancer rates going up?
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doggieGZ 4 months ago
@doggieGZ chemotherapy targets various cell surface CD, and other cytoplasmic proteins, it doesn't target genes, we don't have a drug that targets the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes which lead to familial breast cancer...and you shouldn't be shocked to learn that cancers develop resistance to such regimens....can you justify cancer for me? Why does it exist? What is the evolutionary purpose behind cancer.....and DO YOU READ? I used to do cancer research. Read The Cancer Industry
luv4knowledge 5 months ago
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doggieGZ 4 months ago
@luv4knowledge "chemotherapy targets various cell surface CD, and other cytoplasmic proteins, it doesn't target genes" There isn't a single chemotherapy drug that targets a cell's surface Cluster of Differentiation...
I was right, you really have no idea how chemotherapy drugs work.
doggieGZ 4 months ago
@doggieGZ yes there is....I worked on one...you are fat pharma troll, I knew it...good luck to you...
luv4knowledge 4 months ago
@luv4knowledge really, can you name this chemotherapy drug?
doggieGZ 4 months ago
I can't tell what Bill is for or against b/c of the editing.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Vaccines have always made me sick... and I lived through the Swine Flu. It sucked badly, and led to Bronchitis and nearly Pneumonia, but I lived.
sparkytdg 6 months ago
"we need debate about this"
"the science is not settled"
Yeah, that's what creationists say.
...and those statements are just as wrong for exactly the same reasons, in both cases.
ZarlanTheGreen 7 months ago
what Bill Maher doesn't realize is that in countries that have free healthcare system like France, you go to the doctors and have even more tests than we do here. THe problem is hardly the fact that we use the hospital/doctor system too much unnecessarily. I understand Bill's point, he tends to take these giant generalizations according to his own healthy life experiences. It is quite sweeping and ignorant to say that a healthy person wouldn't have gotten swine flu. It could happen to anyone.
amajelo 8 months ago
Actually Bill made some intelligent points. Medicines that treats only the symptom are sometimes harmful for the body since the symptoms are often the result of the body's immune system working. Such as fevers, mucus, etc etc. If you forcefully treat the symptoms without treating the cause, it actually slows recovery.
Vaccination is good in life threatening conditions, but rely on it too much hinders the natural auto immune system the longer we depend on it.
Neosaigo 8 months ago
@Neosaigo "Actually Bill made some intelligent points. Medicines that treats only the symptom are/.../"
...and how much of evidence based medicine (aka "western" medicine [what evidence and reason are things exclusive to the west now?]) is based on only treating the symptoms, while ignoring the disease?
None.
...thus meaning his arguments are utterly stupid.
"Vaccination is good in life threatening conditions"
Eh, no.
That's not what they're for and not situations where they're sensible.
ZarlanTheGreen 7 months ago
That was really bad editing. I think you left out information that was vital to the argument. That topics are not explained and they can change quickly. I don't see how he got "pwned."
RUINERx117 10 months ago 5
@RUINERx117 Oh really? Such as what? "That topics are not explained and they can change quickly." Can you clarify what you mean? And first and foremost I wasn't trying to pwn him. I mostly just wanted people to at least be aware that he holds these views (and amidst the healthcare debate and the H1N1 craze, yes i admit it wasn't that dangerous a virus) and then I figured I would at least clear up some misconceptions about vaccines that were beginning to bother me.
muaddib17 10 months ago
@muaddib17 oh, i thought you were trying to make a point against him. i couldnt tell what angle you were coming from with it. i linked to this from a video that WAS trying to pwn him, and skipped to this, and figured it was kind of the same. I didn't realize it was just an "inform people on his views" video. my bad.
RUINERx117 10 months ago
Um... so, is everyone commenting that they DON'T agree with Maher's POV on being distrusting of Western Medicine and vaccines as the only option, and that we should be allowed to question it?
Because, honestly, what he is saying sounds pretty... er, logical to me. ??
1208Ebby 11 months ago
"Western medicine" = code for medicine based on science.
"Eastern medicine" = quackery.
There are many diseases where vaccines ARE the only option. Not everything can be treated simply by living an active, healthy lifestyle.
Edgehead10075 10 months ago
Simply eating right isn't going to protect you from the flu.
Edgehead10075 10 months ago
@Edgehead10075 Actually not all Eastern medicine are quackery. Acupuncture, nutrition, and the use of leech and maggots are actually adopted by western medicine to treat illnesses to great effect.
Leech are capable of treating certain local blood disease by sucking out the bad blood. Maggots can allow people with dead rotten flesh from certain diseases to recover, the reason being maggots only eats the rotten dead flesh and allow for recovery.
Neosaigo 8 months ago
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Edgehead10075 8 months ago
@Neosaigo "Actually not all Eastern medicine are quackery. Acupuncture, nutrition, and the use of leech and maggots are actually adopted by western medicine"
Bullshit.
Acupuncture: There is not sufficient scientific backing for it (a few positive studies, a few not positive... nothing solid)
Nutrition: Has ALWAYS been part of health EVERYWHERE. We didn't get it from the east.
Leeches and maggots: ...were used in the west for ages. We didn't get it from the east.
ZarlanTheGreen 7 months ago
honestly could you not have just showed the footage and let people interject their own opinions?
rainman0915 11 months ago 4
@rainman0915 Honestly could you not have just injected your own opinion on the issues at hand instead of just telling me to withhold my opinion? Furthermore, you can find all the clips in their entirety here on YT. What I figured I would do is to offer some more facts (and some rebuttals to Bill Maher) and in such a way as to facilitate more discussion. Thank you very much for watching
muaddib17 11 months ago
@muaddib17 Sorry, i meant to say "interjected" in the first sentence.
muaddib17 11 months ago
The science says otherwise...The definition of science seems to be rather arbitrary and capricious.
jvaish 1 year ago
The science says otherwise...The definition of science seems to be rather arbritary and capricious.
jvaish 1 year ago
Yea I agree some of his views are a littled skewed but other parts he's right. particularly about the swine flu, look in some medical journals and you'll see that h1n1 was a less virulent strain than most seasonal strains that come along.
wtf7733 1 year ago
I doubt that B17 actually causes harm, however I don't believe that it works for curing cancer.
theUSER101 1 year ago
@theUSER101 The drugs today work extremely well?? Really? Which ones? What is alternative medicine? do you even know? Saying something is conspiracy theory doesn't make it so. Ask an RA patient how well the drugs work...I have a feeling you have never actually been sick
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish Well from my perspective you asking me which drugs work makes no sense. Why don't you tell me which drugs don't work and I'll tell you how they do. You have your bull shit conspiracies with no evidence what so ever. I know what alternative medicine is and I know its quackery. There is no evidence to support almost everyone of them. Just because we don't know the cure for everything, doesn't mean our medicine isn't better then quackery.
theUSER101 1 year ago
@theUSER101 I don't have enough room to list which drugs don't work. I would suggest you read "The Truth about the Drug Companies" by Marcia Angell, former editor of the NEJM. No evidence my ass. You are either very naive or a corporate shill. I don't know what "health consultant" means, as that is what you list on your profie, but I'm pretty sure it's a misnomer. Keep on repeating to yourself you know what's going on til you actually believe it. Ad-hominem attacks only show your true lack.
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish I guess I could suggest "Trick or Treatment" by: Professor Edzard Ernst and Simon Singh, a few MD, PhD's for ya. Also a few of Michael Shermers Books. A book is not evidence either way. You already have tried to incorporate me as part of the conspiracy "corporate shill". There is difference between you and a holocaust denier, reptilian conspiracy, 911 conspiracy, ext. You have no evidence for your BS and in most cases alternative medicine has been debunked. Name 1 drug that doesnt work
theUSER101 1 year ago
@theUSER101 Mention Shermer and I know you are wasting my time. He's a low-level hack who was previously a religious zealot who lost his little version of God. Vioxx doesn't work. Humira, Methotraxate work no more than placebo effect, by definition. Most chemo drugs are ineffective against most cancers. Please, take all the vaccines and pharma you want. You'll be doing us all a favor.
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish If you think Michael Shermer is a hack then you are a true nut case and everything must be a big conspiracy. The crazy thing about science is that it actually works. Call Shermer what you want, but he debunks quackery with controlled experiments, he even has some on video. Please don't tell me about the placebo effect. That is all alternative medicine is, except in the end the person dies because they didn't get real medical help. Medicine is all we have, your quackery is no better.
theUSER101 1 year ago
@theUSER101 Ok, last post. Not EVERYTHING is a big conspiracy. There are almost always grey areas. I am sure people who work for pharmaceutical companies are varied in opinion and motivation, for example. Science, which seems to you to be work done in a lab, is a great idea. Unfortunately, it is often not conclusive and is corrupted by politics and money. I will gladly lump myself in with so-called conspiracy groups who in reality are typically just people who question the status quo. Word!
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish The book you gave me is complete bull shit. So many Doctors ext. have refuted her half truths and illogical arguments. My point however is that I know there is some corruption everywhere from wall street to the pharmaceutical companies. What is your obsession with RA? Although medicine may not be perfect, we are working on it. Alternative medicine is no better and for the most part is over hyped bull shit. From Acupuncture to L-Arginine, it just doesn't work.
theUSER101 1 year ago
@jvaish "not conclusive"
And a lot of the time it is, unfortunately woo woo has a strong presence in medicine. There are simpletons aplenty who think that modern medicine is all wrong that pseudoscience and hocus pocus (often spiritually flavored) are an alternative.
"corrupted"
Such is the case in almost any major human enterprise. Conspiracy nuts aren't about questioning, they're about blind faith in their ideas. Ask any of them for evidence and watch how pissed they get.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 What's woo woo? What's science? I have seen more believers in so-called science who cling to their ideas than any conspiracy theorist. I haven't met that many people who think modern medicine is all wrong. They just think the majority of the people running it are motivated by profit and greed and ignorance. What's evidence? There's more to the world than meets the eye..what more can I say? nada.
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish Woowoo is a broad general term for tripe based on no evidence (ie spiritual piffle, medical quackery, conspiracy theories, etc).
"Cling to their ideas"
You seem to think that ideas are equal in merit regardless of how much supporting evidence they have. Believing that water boils at 212F is not at all irrational, believing that the moon is made of cheese or that demons are the cause of disease are not. As for meeting the eye, that's why we have tools to make up for our limitations.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@jvaish You would think that they are just against the corruption part of it, but take anti-vaccination loonies. Their original complaint was that mercury compounds in vaccines caused autism, this was thoroughly and repeatedly refuted, and superior replacements had already been implemented in many cases. When that tripe was beaten down (though many still cling to it) they simply moved the goalposts, now it's a plot to sterilize people or make them weak. Some people simply believe in twaddle.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 The term "anti-vaccine" crowd is a term created by the media and/or so called skeptics. I have never met anyone who is purely anti-vaccine. This lack of discernment is the real problem that causes a lack of communication. Your criticisms are too general and not backed up by actual evidence. It's good to be skeptical, but not to the point where you cling to ideas and generalities purely out of principle; just put down the mirror ;)
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish "I have never met anyone who is purely anti-vaccine"
How hard can you have looked? It's not like they keep their opinions to themselves. Which criticisms are too general and which of them require further substantiating evidence?
"principle"
Except that skepticism and logic are principles, the facts regarding anti vaccine movements or homeopathic medicine aren't exactly ambiguous, there's a clearly supported side, and one that is almost a self-parody.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@jvaish "Most chemo drugs are ineffective"
Actually most chemo drugs are extremely effective. Killing cancer is easy, the problem is killing the cancer cells without killing the patient. Targeted chemo is making substantial progress in destroying mainly cancer cells without so much "collateral damage" to the body, medicine like all science is a work in progress. On the other hand pseudoscientific piffle marketed by quacks is not only corrupt but ineffective as well.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@theUSER101 Lots of drugs don't work, work badly, or don't work well enough to merit their potential side effects. There are also conditions that aren't fixable with drugs. On the other hand the large majority of them do work rather well. It's not perfect, but then what is? You've got big pharma and the guru/faith healer/snake charmer, both are out to make a buck, only one is medically useful.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 I agree with that completely
theUSER101 1 year ago
@theUSER101 I just don't get the uh "creative" logic of some of these people. Pharmaceutical companies (or big pharma to use the annoying media catchphrase) are out to make money, they sometimes engage in behavior ranging from ethically questionable to downright contemptible, therefore vaccines and/or drugs and medication are dangerous and evil.
This is like thinking that because auto and oil companies are corrupt, cars are therefore an ineffective means of transportation. Total non sequitur.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 Hmm. Cars are pretty primitive machines actually. The violent internal combustion engine is incredibly inefficient. Subscribing a moral attribute to a medicine strikes me as an odd way of putting it. They are simply questioning if there is an issue with the vaccines causing unintended consequences. Many of the medicines we have are overkill; primitive and ineffective. Maybe someday they will get it right, but as for now I will skip them as much as I can. U can have my H1N1
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish Inefficient but practical, and currently the most important means of human transportation.
"simply questioning"
No, skeptics demand evidence, and do not espouse positions couched entirely in belief. Ignoring evidence and clinging to a belief that has no evidence is not the act of an intelligent person, it's simply cultish and silly. Actually the koolaid du jour amongst many anti-vax nuts is that they're a plot to make us ill.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@jvaish "get it right"
Most medications do their job as well as could be wished. But it's good that you avoid them unless it's necessary, over use of drugs has created many problems, notably with antibiotics and increasingly resistant bacterial strains.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 That's an oversimplification based on an emotional response. Everyone does this it seems and it ignores discernment. Science is a great idea, like capitalism and communism, but the way it operates on a large scale is tainted with human greed and ignorance. Gallileo was made to recant his theories or be excommunicated. Human beings have to evolve beyond their primitive constructs and limitations or science will be forever in the realm of an -ism.
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish I wouldn't say communism was even a good idea, let alone a great one. Actually science is innately opposed to ignorance, the entire point of it being to discern the facts through evidence and observation. You can thank religious nonsense for stifling Galileo (among quite a few other things) and promoting ignorance. Human beings aren't going to evolve beyond their "primitive" constructs, at least not anytime soon. Waiting for a utopia seems like a waste of time to me.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 "Evidence and observation". Yep, but you dont need a lab to do this for everything. The meaning of science seems to have been changed to mean this. Religious nonsense has been taken over by scientific nonsense, which is what I referenced before. The death of dogma is the birth of reality.
jvaish 1 year ago
@jvaish Who is claiming that a lab is required? I think you might simply have been watching too much television and come away with a picture that science solely involves white coats and test tubes.
"scientific nonsense"
Except that science can support it's claims with evidence, religion is notoriously lacking in any kind of supporting evidence. Trying to split the difference so as not to upset ignorant zealots is neither effective nor intellectually honest.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 1 year ago
Oh, and please DO get yourself vaccinated as much as you can. It'll be good for the world to get rid of another FUCKTARD!
nvieira100 1 year ago
@nvieira100 OMG OMG its a conspiracy.
theUSER101 1 year ago
When dealing with a child (or in your case a retard) you have to stoop to their level in order for them to understand, and it seems it worked! LMAO FUCTARD!!!!!! No, I don't need to publish a paper. Many Dr's have already done that in medical journals, but then you don't read much do you FUCKTARD!!!! So the next time someone sneezes in your face, or into their hand then shakes yours without washing it, don't worry! You'll be JUST fine!
nvieira100 1 year ago
@nvieira100 Oh hello again retard. Didnt realise you replied because you were too dumb or scared to address the message to me. What the fuck is your point!? You actually dont even have one now do you? You've either forgotten it or realised that it was complete bullshit. Ergo you responded with another bullshit message that said absolutely nothing. LMAO ROFL LOL ROFLCOPTER! Jesus are you ever dumb! People must fucking hate talkin to u. Id struggle not to hit someone as dumb as you.
pkearne 1 year ago
@pkearne Oh look !!! The Fucktard is back!! How was the asylum? Did ya get vaccinated? I'm assuming you did. Like all mutts taken to the vet, YOU TOO must be vaccinated before being allowed back into the population. Your rabbies must be controlled!!! LMAO!! Yup, your comment says ALOT ... about YOU! You've just once again proved you're a Fucktard!!! Now, go back to your kennel. I can see you drooling from here! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
nvieira100 1 year ago
@nvieira100 Haha! Wow! I really got to you didnt i? You sound like you're fit to pop! Its always great when the person you're talkin to starts talking absolute shit. Lets me know iv won. You know i was so attracted by your personality that i took the liberty of going on your page. I was most displeased by what i found however. Apart from the fact that its full of absolute shit that no one cares about, it also has a picture of you. Although there is plenty to say, the less said the better.
pkearne 1 year ago
Bill is ABSOLUTELY correct on this issue. Swine flu vaccine? Yeah, right! Funny thing, in Canada, where health care is free, Dr.'s came out and basically said Swine Flu is as "dangerous" as your regular flu. If you want to prevent catching it, do what you're always supposed to do. Wash your hands OFTEN. The vast majority of people in Canada didn't get the vaccine, and guess what? We're all still alive!!! LMAO!
nvieira100 1 year ago
@nvieira100 You're a moron. Washing your hands won't prevent you from getting the flu for christ sake. Know what will though? A vaccination! And I have a degree in microbiology so dont try to bullshit me.
pkearne 1 year ago
@pkearne You're the moron fucktard! YES washing hands DOES prevent the flu. WTF do you think kids get sick more often than adults fucktard? Because they play with other kids at school, then put their fingers in their mouths or eat lunch without washing their hands FUCKTARD! Covering your mouth when you cough and sneeze also prevents the flu FUCKTARD! You have a degree in microbiology do you? Well then, you must have got it from a crackerjack box FUCKTARD!
nvieira100 1 year ago
@nvieira100 Haha! Nice use of the words fucktard. You might not have undercut your point if you hadnt resorted to childish namecalling. You dumb twat!
Flu is transferred through the air. Its normally transferred by people breathing in the bacteria. Ergo washing your hands isnt gonna do shit you dumb cunt. Well done on your really intelligent and well thought out hypothesis on eradicating the disease though moron. Really! Have you thought about publishing a paper on your excellent idea?
pkearne 1 year ago
@pkearne How can you say washing your hands isn't going to do shit. Washing our hands has saved more lives than anything us humans have ever came up with.
theUSER101 1 year ago
@theUSER101 Im saying washing your hands isnt going to prevent you from catching a virus when someone coughs in your face. However a vaccine could prevent this.
pkearne 1 year ago
Im a holistic nutritionist and bill is absolutly spot on. Ive read mostly all the research hes referenced and i will tell you right now; he is definatly right. We should shift our goals from treating disease; to preventing it and living well.
@soundslave Read about IgF1 and rBGH. Then read about pasturzation and its effects on enzyme content in milk; particularly lactase which is the enzyme found in raw milk that allows us to digest lactose; which is the carbohydrate in milk.
FudgeBison 1 year ago
Bill Maher thinks drinking cows milk is dangerous to your health. He should stick to politics, because this views on health and diet are a bit... strange.
soundslave 1 year ago
This is disgraceful. Bill Maher is one of the stupidest people on TV. I'm sure all of you Liberal leftwing idiots know about Ben Stein's "masterpiece" expelled. I'm sure you like to pat yourselves on the back and say how stupid he is for wanting to "have an open scientific debate" about evolution. Idiot right???
Yet what is Bill doing here?? He wants to "have an open scientific debate" about something totally scientifically proven.
Hypocracy of the worst kind
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bradgpierce 1 year ago
I love the way bill just throws out random bullshit baseless statements like "No progress has been made in cancer". Weird how he claims religious people ignore science when he does just that in regards to health. Bizarre! He thinks he can quote a sixty year old paper on vaccines and no one will notice. And talk as if they pump mercury into vaccines. Thiomersal is gone from vaccines even though there was no proof of toxicity. Leave the science to the scientists bill.
pkearne 1 year ago
In reality, I did like the initiative taken with this video . Now, can you use it for good and pick any moment on Fox to dissect? That would give you some great material and might be worth watching.
bradgpierce 1 year ago
@bradgpierce I don't appreciate being called a dumb-ass (I am happy at least someone had a laugh). Fortunately for you, I have used my initiative to dissect some moments on Fox News. You can Check out my latest vid about BIll O'Reilly's tirade with the ladies at the view and Muslims.
muaddib17 1 year ago
I would rather see these comments in context then have some dumb-ass pick certain parts he can find info on the Internet to discredit. Obviously there is a reason Bill has a show and you don't! You know: believing the Internet is all factual is as brilliant as taking everything Bill says as gospel. Dumb- ass!! At least I got a good laugh and got to call someone a dumb-ass!
bradgpierce 1 year ago
@bradgpierce You dont exactly need context for the statements maher is making you moron!
pkearne 1 year ago
@pkearne it's all context...look up the meaning of the word before you claim to not need it!
bradgpierce 1 year ago
@bradgpierce None of it is context. Jesus are you ever stupid! Pretty much the entire conversation with bill frist is in there, while the other clips have bill saying "Nasonex will shove the mucus down your throat". Do you really need context there you fucking idiot!? Are you that dumb that you cant work out what he's saying?
pkearne 1 year ago
@pkearne ok dumbass... Obviously you are much too thick to comprehend what we are talking about and apparently can only use derogatory terms to attempt to make your point. The one I started this conversation with didn't seem to have any trouble understanding what context is so I'm not going to waste my time with a little bitch who has neither the education nor the class.
bradgpierce 1 year ago
@bradgpierce I see you realised what a fucking moron you were when you saw that you couldnt refute anything i just said. So you just said the other guy understood. No he didnt actually. You retard! Cos what you're saying was bullshit. I love when stupid people have no clue how dumb they are, and try to call other people uneducated. Cracks me up!
Kind regards
Your intellectual superior
pkearne 1 year ago
@pkearne Oh, I have no doubt that my education supersedes your total knowledge base by a factor of thousands. Which is exactly why I my spelling is perfect, my sentences are not fragmented and I can spell. Maybe if you would spend a little more time with these means you would understand this conversation. Anyway, I am sure I will hear another tacky response from an obviously ignorant child so let it rip. For me, my time with you has ended.
Gratefully,
Smart enough to know the difference
bradgpierce 1 year ago
@bradgpierce "why I my spelling is perfect, my sentences are not fragmented and I can spell".How ironic!Discussing perfect sentences while shoving an "I" in where it doesnt belong and accidentally mentioning spelling twice in the same sentence. As well as using the phrase- "by a factor of thousands".Remarkable grammar! All the while not being able to come up with one example of why you need context for anything in the video. I hope you realise just how dumb you look right now. Its laughable.
pkearne 1 year ago
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@pkearne it's all context...look up the meaning of the word before you claim to not need it...moron!
bradgpierce 1 year ago
the person who made this video is retarded, they need to do theyre homework.
im glad people dont believe the truth, that way they can weed out the ignorant from the intelligent. NATURAL SELECTION!
amnesia702 1 year ago
This is the one thing I really disagree with Bill Maher on. He is totally against science in this. What he is right about is that Big Pharma's interests don't necessarily align with an individual's, and Americans turn to drugs too quickly. However to say that is 'Western Medicine' is misleading and misguided. He should differentiate between corporate medicine and western medicine. As western medicine is the only effective medicine because it is the only medicine that is science led.
pixxispad 1 year ago
Well, he's right that the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of political power, and he's right that the source of a lot of American health problems is behavioural. He's a little out in left field on vaccines, though.
PoliticsStudent 1 year ago
i like bills stuff but actually lose respect for tactics involving cutting off and re-direction... oh well... the show goes on:),
kahetel13 1 year ago
conspiracy???
no this is real!
effik3 1 year ago
There is nothing antithetical to science in what Maher is saying. He is questioning the healthcare system and the motives of the pharmaceutical industry. This is perfectly legitemate and reasonable. How is it antithetical to science to assert that maybe huge corporations might be operating in a nefarious way? It seems antithetical to reason and rationality (not to mention immoral) to dismiss this possibility without examining it. No one thinks the tobacco companies were honest.
laozi1 1 year ago
I like you Bill but you're out of your element and don't truly understand what you're talking about on this issue.
SeekerLancer 1 year ago 2
@SeekerLancer I like Bill, too for anyone who thought I was being too hard on him!
muaddib17 1 year ago
@SeekerLancer how can u like a person who proudly says that he tells perents not to vaccinate theire children.
i mean, if they take his advice and one child die he is as guilty to the death as a person who try to convince perents to poise theire children.
Uuuurk 1 year ago
@SeekerLancer No, he understands it all too well. It's the naive idealists who think science isn't perverted by financial interests who don't get it. Vaccines are not fool proof and some are just a waste. The CDC schedule of 24 vaccines in 18 months for newborns has never been tested completely. You are rolling the dice either way.
jvaish 1 year ago
western medicines sucks....they cure symptoms..not causes.....to be frank abrahamic religions are a disgrace to the world.......if you take out caste system from india it has the best to offer in medicine, science
howdywest 1 year ago
i used to like bill maher because he seems so reasonable. but when he has an agenda he can be just as irrational as the next scumbag trying to sell something. he pushes this crusade against the medical profession and big pharma (not that i necessarily trust either) with a lot of energy and very little sense and since every contrary, illogical position he takes usually ends with israel, i have to assume this one does too. i just haven't figured out how.
WikeddTung 1 year ago
As a clinical psychologist he creates actually a good point that not just psychology, but medicine has. We are focusing on symptom and reducing the human illness to a symptom fact check. Much like psychological disorders, medical disorders often have overlap and similar symptoms. Unforunately, for the field of psychology, modern medical models are running stale and other options are being pursued. I don't agree with the conspiracy, but I do agree for psychology it is time for change
domineus 1 year ago
GREAT VIDEO!
1jtbt1 1 year ago
alternative medicine is just complete bullshit. If you think peering in your eyes and drinking water works...fine.
Just stay away from other people. Hasnt the lesson of 11 billion dollars (NCCAM's) taught anybody anything.
Bill Maher, sorry mate...dont lie about studies you have made up and your mis informed views of product anaylses. Your alternative medicine products are insanely full of junk
Guys, you can read scientific studies, Nothing Bill quotes comes from a scientific journal
foathkent 1 year ago
Bill Maher is awesome.
WhiteFlowerLei76 1 year ago
Thank heavens Bill is able to explain the basic functions of the human body to the dimwit general population. He's bang on, it's just unfortunate that so many people aren't educated enough to understand.
ALLMYHEROSWEARMASKS 1 year ago
Alternative medicine doesn't help no more than drinking soda to quinch your thrist. I'll rather trust the FDA than that crap because it works and have saved lives, true they have side effects but so does too much Vitamin C.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 *AT helps no more* Disregard the "doesn't", error.
HybridD91 1 year ago
Bill Maher has many great qualities and has done many good things ... but on this subject . he is full of shit
Alucard9692010 1 year ago
The ironic thing is that, with regard to the global warming debate, Maher has the sense to acknowledge that he isn't a scientist (nor are the scores of climate change denial imbeciles), and we should respect the findings of the scientists who've spent their lives studying the issues; likewise, he isn't a physician, has never been to med school, and is most definitely NOT the one to be preaching on issues like the benefit of vaccinations. It's just as irrational as that dippy actress...(cont)
mthivier 1 year ago
...(cont). who was going on talk shows trying to suggest that childhood vaccinations lead to autism. We should be taking our lead from scientists, physicians, the CDC, and public officials on these issues, not talk show hosts, failed actresses, pop stars and spokesmodels.
mthivier 1 year ago
NO progress on cancer!!! Is he fucking retarded? Bill Maher is sounding more and more like an ignorant birther or tea-bagger.
azbacnikorange 1 year ago
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the swine flu was a joke, the media bloadted it up....
TheKamagra100mg 1 year ago
Perfectly healty and got swine flu does not equal perfectly healthy. Can't be healthy if you have swine flu.
HybridD91 1 year ago
So many new and interesting to know! Thank you Liked
farmaciaitalia 1 year ago
hahahaha
the swine flu was a joke, the media bloadted it up....
Boughty86 1 year ago
emotional!
MrTadalafil 1 year ago
maher is spot on........
migo53333 1 year ago
the Council of Europe is formally looking into the frauds committed by Pharma and WHO? Go and tell them that it's a conspiracy theory and they have no proof....
governmentcheese411 1 year ago
haha the swine flu was such a joke. it just shows how bill is right!
jkjl234 1 year ago
The problem that Bill Maher has with vaccinations is not the vaccination itself but the other chemicals such as thimerosal with comes from mercury (which is poisonous) that they place inside the vaccine as a preservative.
robfromvan 1 year ago
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But if you don't take any vaccinations & stick to a healthy diet the incidence of getting sick reduces drastically. Experiments on animals proves this. If you want further evidence try it on yourself. Be your own guinea pig. You'll know what I'm talking about if you try it on yourself. Vaccinations would be completely unnecessary if people could exercise self control over what they eat.
robfromvan 1 year ago
When you add refined white sugar, white flour, deep fried foods, alcohol, caffeine or petrochemicals health problems intensify. Eating foods raw & avoiding refined foods such as sugar & flour as well as deep fried foods & alcohol does reduce the probability of getting all the flus, colds & infections that people routinely take vaccinations for. You can take all the vaccinations you want, but if you eat junk food you will get sick anyway.
robfromvan 1 year ago
Bill Maher's views on both religion & western medicine are correct. There is a dentist namde Dr. Weston Price who did experiments on cats where he gave one group a raw food diet & the other the same food in cooked form. The cats who ate the cooked food developed diseases similar to those found in humans & eventually died. Those that ate the raw diet lived healthy long lives without illness.
robfromvan 1 year ago
Viruses like the flu do mutate very fast, on the order of days. This is why they offer seasonal flu shots because the shot you got last year is no longer effective against the newest strain. It's not offered more frequently because it takes a while for enough people to catch a new strain.
Flu is always prevalent, year round, but flu season is when the most people acquire it. This is when new shots are offered, when there is the greatest demand.
foxfireman188 2 years ago
Bill maher is correct about health, and its the only thing i agree with him about, and the maker of this video seems like a tard
vanityvideo 2 years ago
GOP all the way....and I can't help but agree with Bill on many of the points. Big Pharm is a corrupt bunch that shouldn't be trusted. Quacks deserve to be squashed, but there are some forms of "alternative" medicine that FREE PEOPLE living in the USA should be ALLOWED to try if they are burdened with a fatal or near-fatal disease. FREE PEOPLE should have the RIGHT to decide if this is the way they want to go....and Nationalized Health Care will dumb-down the system in the criminal sense.
colderbeer 2 years ago
You've seen the drug ads, with the last half of the commercial listing the horrible side effects and DISEASES that are caused by the drug they are advertising.
Another point Bill was trying to make was that the pharmaceutical companies are trying to eradicate "alternative" medicine, and is true! It is well known that the CAUSE of scurvy is a lack of vitamin C. Logically eating an orange will CURE you of scurvy and it will, but they've made it ILLEGAL for someone selling oranges to claim that!
nagol1000 2 years ago
You know why tumors grow back? Because you haven't corrected what CAUSED IT! This isn't that hard to understand. Modern medicine is just trying to find a way that you can still eat your crappy nutritionally depleted, carcinogenic food from McDicks or even normal food from the grocery store, and watch TV all day sucking down a gallon of coke. You want to be healthy? Stop treating your body like crap! The people who treat their body right DON'T GET SICK. Everyone needs to learn how to be healthy.
nagol1000 2 years ago 6
Yes.... So that really explains why everybody lived to be 120 years old before we had all of this corporate food. I am not saying those carcinogenic" foods are good for you; however, as modern medicine has improved so has life expectancy.
muaddib17 2 years ago 2
Right on, man.
Thagros 2 years ago
@muaddib17 Life expectancy increased because we manage sewage, use clean water to drink and wash, discovered antibiotics, and found ways to immunise ourselves from disease. Medicine is the legitimate provider of health care because lawyers and politicians made it law. Their rights to access "fee for service" also made some doctors very rich. This is why health care is so expensive. Their power is so entrenched they are the accepted norm; few question their legitimacy.
50gilly57 1 year ago
@muaddib17 Yes there have been lots of amazing developments in modern medicine that has increased peoples lifespan. The sanitization of hospitals was huge, as well as improved equipment to better detect diseases before they got as serious, and also improved emergency procedures that give a better chance of survival to patients. So I agree with you that credit is deserved there. But the quality of life in terms of health has decreased. People are sicker, sadder, and fatter than ever.
nagol1000 1 year ago
@muaddib17
the explosion of microbiological studies in the 19th and 20th century does though. And there is no disagreement that life expectancy has improved, but there is an argument for evolution of technology used in medicine and not medicine itself
domineus 1 year ago
@muaddib17 People in general are not living longer. We just have a lot less premature deaths now days. If you think people really only lived until they were 35-50 100 to 200 years ago, thats crazy. Look out the founding fathers and the presidents in the early days. They all lived until they were old as hell. Sanitation plays a huge roll in less premature deaths, same with emergency medicine. Cholesterol lowering drugs ext, are kind of bull shit and should never be long term.
theUSER101 1 year ago
@nagol1000 "People who treat their body right DON"T GET SICK" What do you base that statement on? Healthy people get sick all the time...disease is more complicated than just good nutrition and exercise.
azbacnikorange 1 year ago
@azbacnikorange That was a revelation for me. I can tell you don't know anyone in great health. I know a few and they really are amazing specimens. And they truly do not get sick. I am not a very good model for eating right, but I avoid the crap and even I haven't gotten seriously ill in 3, maybe 4 years. Yes there more factors to think about than nutrition and exercise, but you are what you eat. You should read up on this stuff, I promise you'll be surprised what your doctor doesn't tell you.
nagol1000 1 year ago
@nagol1000 No sorry you don't know what you are talking about. Three words: congenital cardiac abnormalities. That is, healthy athletes who suddenly drop dead. Also, Atrial fibrillation is a specific example. It's congenital and is associated with a higher risk of stroke. Type 1 diabetes (insulin dependent) diabetes is completely congenital and is NOOOT cured by diet.
azbacnikorange 1 year ago
@azbacnikorange What about congenital cardiac abnormalities and AF? Do you think that just happens randomly with no cause behind it? Come on you're a man of science aren't you? Just because someone is an athlete doesn't mean they're perfectly healthy. And diabetes can absolutely be controlled by diet to the point where they don't need insulin, the hard part is getting a diabetic to completely change their lifestyle. Watch the documentary "simply raw".
nagol1000 1 year ago
@nagol1000 Very true but you don't need to be raw to achieve that. I'm a Vegan so damn you Raw foodist, just joking. Diet change can help a lot but medicine works faster and can buy you more time.
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 Don't get me wrong, if I have a major health problem or I'm in an accident and time is a factor in my survival, get me to a doctor! And save me with drugs and surgery! But these days people often take drugs to stay healthy, when they actually do the opposite. The side effects of taking too much vitamin c are pretty tame compared the side effect "death" i hear in so many drug ads. People have cured cancer by taking high doses of intravenous vitamin c with minimal side effects.
nagol1000 1 year ago
@nagol1000 And this just shows people's ignorance. Nutritional and exercise science came from "western medicine" and "western science."
azbacnikorange 1 year ago
@azbacnikorange Yes we made these things into sciences, but nutrition and exercise did not spontaneously appear when we showed up haha. And guess what? Chances are your doctor has little to NO training in nutrition. Don't you see a problem with that? Know why tumors grow back in so many patients? They haven't corrected the underlying problem. Open your eyes. If you don't see the truth in this, that's your loss. It's not my job to convince you, you have to research for yourself.
nagol1000 1 year ago
@azbacnikorange Oh btw and I was looking at your profile, and you have an excellent taste in music. The beatles, Beethoven to NIN, Mr. Bungle and Skinny Puppy (I'm watching "dig it" right now). That's the way to go. I got to see SP when they came back here to Vancouver for the first time in over a decade. It was outstanding!
nagol1000 1 year ago
@nagol1000 Well, it is truth that when you take off a tumors you do not ruled out the problem... However, 2 things first: one, it does not always grow back; in fact, all benign tumors don't growth back at all; only some malignant tumors grow back once in a while (too often, but on a statistical scheme it is still not so common)... Two, even if diet is an increasing factor, there is some genetic factor not to be forgotten since they are more important in the creation of Carcinoma in situ ;)
therrydicule 1 year ago
@therrydicule yes, you're right, I agree. I don't want to sound too black and white with the things I'm suggesting.
nagol1000 1 year ago
@nagol1000 Another fuckwit! You can't CORRECT fucking cancer with healthy living you idiot! A lot of cancer is genetic i.e. nothing you can do about it. If there is recurrence then the only thing you can do is go back on treatments. But if you get cancer and have recurrence then by all means, eat healthy. Im sure the cancer will just DISAPPEAR that way! Jesus!
pkearne 1 year ago
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@nagol1000 Another fuckwit! You can't CORRECT fucking cancer with healthy living you idiot! A lot of cancer is genetic i.e. nothing you can do about it. If there is recurrence then the only thing you can do is go back on treatments. But if you get cancer and have recurrence then by all means, eat healthy. Im sure the cancer will just DISAPPEAR that way! Jesus!
pkearne 1 year ago
@nagol1000 Whats your point? Are you suggesting that we get rid of all of our western medicine and start relying on prayer, homeopathy, magic and Chi? We have what we have. Its the people fucking choice not to do a little reading. If they want to be lazy fat fucks, then at least they can live longer doing it with our medicine. Do you think Doctors can really treat the Cause? its up to the fucking person. Our medicine is great, be thankful.
theUSER101 1 year ago
BIll Maher is almost right on the button, unfortunately he hasn't done enough research to show these people the evidence. There is a time and a place for drugs and surgery, that is in an EMERGENCY. What western medicine lacks is education in preventing disease. What most people can't seem to grasp is the fact that if you have cancer, something your doing CAUSED IT! Do doctors tell you what causes it? Nope. They give you drugs to cover symptoms and cut out tumors which often grow back anyway.
nagol1000 2 years ago
its true what bill says, ''western medicine shuts down debate about alternatives''. he is dead right. i bet people here havent heard of ozone therapy, a potential cure all therapy. why havent we heard of it? you guessed . shut down by the fda. they dont want to touch it because it would compromise the other medicine that are circulating nd making profits . and the drugs we have today dont even work for the most part and lobbysts are always influencing to keep it that way
marengo08 2 years ago 6
So.... would this ozone therapy - or Bill's example, Laetrile - be free? Don't these alternative medicine people really have as much of a profit motive? So, the way I see, it really comes down to which medicine has evidence to back it up.
muaddib17 2 years ago
i am not saying that making profits is bad. its a free country and everyone should do what they want. The point is that for example chemotherapy for cancer has been used for more than half a century and although in some cases it has done some good, for the most part it is useless. and the reason we keep using chemotheraoy its because the manufacturers were smart enough to send out lobbysts to washington so that it stays the drug of choice and block other therapies that show much more promise
marengo08 2 years ago
like what? Not saying there aren't any.
muaddib17 2 years ago