Trenches wouldn't Be that clean. In flandres they would Be muddy and Full of water, at Somme destroyed by Arty and the Whole trench would just Be a crater
The British Trenches rarely were that deep, a German trench was more likely because the trenches marked the German Borders... but the British and French were convinced that they would retake all of the lost ground and so they're trenches were shallow! the Germans had large elaborate trenches while the British didn't waste much time on they're trenches
@Airman450123 That was only true in certain circumstances. By 1916 the Anglo-French trenchlines were increasing in complexity for much of the front. The Allies as the main attackers from late 1916 to 1917 launched a series of successful attacks which did see their line moving more with less time to consolidate- that said their trenches did benefit and were actually this deep (I have stood in them). From late 1917 to end of the war with the rapid allied advances trenches became less important
Lol, I know that they felt him down for bombs, that German. But for a second I thought, feeling him down for guns? Jeese, he has one on his right hip.
why can,t our world stop FIGHTING,this seems to be the only thing humans can sure do with out fail,so much hate and greed,I really do not understand why we can not all put all this wealth and might together,and live in peace,can we not just share the world and teach one another new cultures without killing to make a point,FFSAKE
I'll probably get FP No.1 for saying this, but it seems to me the real lesson to be learned from WWI is to be extremely sceptical towards politicians who insist on dragging us into unwinnable wars for dubious reasons.
Unfortunately, judging from the comments here, all this re-enactment malarkey has achieved is to get the console addicts drooling over the high-definition gore they could enjoy in Call of Duty: Passchendaele.
@thisisnev the war only unwinnable because they had no idea what to do with the technology. Also the real political struggle was after the war with the treaty of Versailles. BTW Nobel dreamed dynamite would end war. The sad fact is that the only things achieved is the end to millions of men's lives. I read that it was common in Europe in the years following the war to see men shaking(shellshock) and with missing limbs. The sad fact of this useless war
@Trustehspork You're right about the shellshock cases - my dad was taught by several in his schooldays in the 1930s, and worked alongside others when he was a dockyard apprentice.
His father lied about his age to enlist, and served in France as a Royal Army Midical Corps ambulance driver on the Western Front. He drove maimed and dying Canadians back to clearing stations after the Battle of Vimy Ridge in 1918. For the rest of his life, he'd often wake up shouting with his recurrent nightmares.
@thisisnev My grandparents lived by a man who had a dad who served as a driver for generals in france. He told me that the car got stuck in the newly bombed soil and when they tried to dig the tires out they would find dead men. he also had to drive through clouds of mustard gas sometimes without a gas mask because his passengers needed them more.
Well, Mr Videos, thank you for giving us all the benefit of your unrivalled expertise. What were we all thinking of, eh?
I would be fascinated to hear how you re-enact death by gas, trench mortar, tunnel mine, liquid fire, phosphorus shell, creeping barrage, being buried alive in a dugout and all the other great crowd-pleasers of the most senseless slaughter in history. After all, I only heard about it second-hand from two grandfathers who were there - what do I know?
Thanks for the very interesting information! but I was being very general about how awful life in the trenches were. I am sorry but the wonderful duplicate was just a little TOO clean to be 100% believable. I am pretty sure everything else was accurate. thanks again for the extra bits of info they were enlightening!
@samipso, Too fancy, and a bit unrealistic. For one, if an attack came, civilians would be rushed back from the frontlines at once. Also, not to mention gas attacks. The brits didn't have that fancy of a trench, though the germans were luckier in that department.
That's what i was thinking too. But i suppose they had better built trenches further back from the frontlines. Obviously not with machinegun emplacements. Maybe artillery pits or something.
The video isn't very realistic. In the reality of WW1, the german soldiers, who appeared at the edge of the trench would have thrown hand grenades into the trench.
@maxielane this wasnt just a video it was actualy a tour/reinactment, what there going to throw a granade down into a bunch of people? - hmm good one.
wonder if they add the part of the tour where he lives the rest of his life with shell shock and post war trauma. becomes a alcoholic and dies in the street poor and alone and forgotten.
Yeah I know, the Germans go into a retreat back to well constructed trenches strategy in 1915. Thus they chose their ground carefully. But by and large most Anglo-French trenches were dry most of the year.
I hate how these actors representing soldiers always seem to have Cockney accents.
Let's not forget, they were recruited from all around England, Scotland, Wales and more so, Ireland. The Irish were used terribly; literally made to walk as screens for non-Irish soldiers.
The Commonwealth dominions also fought, not just Londoners ffs.
The reason being is that people's modern (and false) perception is that he working classes fought the war. Thus they use cockney accents to communicate that connotation. Further since the Great War countries have tried to only represent themselves in the conflict. Australia and Canada are the two worst countries for doing this. So this is filmed in England so it will only acknowledge English people and perceptions of the war. Historiography is a real bastard for looking accurately at the past
I know it's a perception based thing; sadly a conformist style of representing things too.
It still annoys me though; it annoys me just as much over the fact that you mentioned, that it wasn't just the working-class who fought in the war. Let us note, even the higher classes weren't all officers.
My Great Grandfather was working-class though, and he fought in WWI, so I'm not doubting the working class in anyway at all.
I can appreciate that he might have felt that way - but many units, of all nationalities and on both sides, felt they were being used as cannon fodder while others had cushy numbers in quiet sectors.
Units with a 'good fighting record' (and this includes Irish, Canadian and ANZAC battalions) were often chosed to spearhead assaults, with inevitably high casualty rates. Perhaps your great-grandfather was in one such unit.
Well the GWS were/are predominantly from the London/Essex area. If you had a video of other groups (my old group for example), we're all from the Midlands and "oop Nurth" so naturally, we'd have different accents. In fairness, you'd rather hear someone speaking with their actual voice than someone doing a bad impression of someone else, right?
Yeah I suppose I'd rather hear a genuine accent, but even in documentaries on TV it's quite sickening to hear the cockney accent all the time, more or less.
Oh i agree totally, the media (especially Hollywood) seems to forget the rest of Britain exists and any time an Englishman appears on screen, hes a cockney.
Well, the Birmingham Pals (my old group) have been doing more film work of late, so expect to hear more brummies in the trenches in future :)
When I say walk I mean like 'the big push'. And I know the tactic your thinking of where the British advance under their own artillery fire so that they arte hidden by the smoke. And there was something that I don't remember it's name or use but was used to blind soldiers. Further more 4 years in a trench, it can drive a soldier barmy.
What is it thats not right? The purpose of this display is to demsontrate to you the tactical evolution that trenchlife represent by 1917. Yes its unpleasant but hey WW2 exhibits glorify the war too. What is it that is inaccurate here, do you feel?
It's not nearly unpleasant enough! It looks like what it is - a nice, tidy, sanitised mock-up of a luxury trench, with incredibly efficient drainage. But then I suppose the paying punters wouldn't want to wade through mud and hidden sump-holes, would they?
1. The mudfilled trench is actually a gross overstatment. Trenches in the North of France and Belgium were mud prone in Winter. However for much of the year dry conditions prevailed. We know of the mudfilled trench from the last few months of Somme and Passcendaele offensives. Water filled trenches are not the rule.
Drainage was always poor, you hit the water table.
TV programmes are indeed selective. That's why I prefer written first-hand accounts - e.g. Sassoon, Graves, Blunden, Manning - and reliable historians like John Terraine.
Where the water table was high, as in the Belgian sector, the trench was waterlogged - even in good weather.
Sassoon is not reliable and is increadiblyt biased, Blunden is a twat also. the others....so so. Sassoon became popular in the 50s and 60s with the beetnik and hippy movments most ww1 vets thought he was a ratbag sentimentalists. John Terraine isnt a bad historian but is from a by gone age read up on Hart, Steele and Sheffield they will show you the real deal.
Trenches were only waterlogged in so0me parts of western front its a myth they all filled with water all year round.
Terraine is indeed from a bygone age - an age when historians were less inclined to revise history in order to attract the attentions of TV producers, and in which there were plenty of WW1 veterans to comment on his work.
Sassoon's poetry might have been picked up by the beat generation, but his 'Sherston' memoirs were published in the thirties and sold well enough to warrant three volumes and a collected single edition. As for Blunden, your scholarly opinion is noted...
Well actually every time a revisionist historian goes on television the station ususally recieves complaints. When Dr. Garry sheffield went on a Briiths documentary about the Somme he received personal threats for being ..so wrong, so sympathetic to hague and generally an idiot. Here in Australia a revisionist program series was alost howled off the air. The fact is people like the orthdox black armband view of the war. TV stations like it too.
Sassoon's works only recieved a small readership in the 30s, some veterans claimed he was overboard.
Most WW1 historiography is based around our perceptions- stupid war, poorly managed and worthless. Whilst some truth to these statments exists it has marginislised our range of interpretations. Schools now show black adder as how the war really was- that shocked me. But we have historians like Terraine, Laffin and Taylor to thank
Having reread Terraine's 'The Great War' recently, I wouldn't say he was particularly harsh on the generals. He makes the point several times that the sheer scale of the stalemate on the Western Front simply had no precedent, leaving them damned whatever they did.
As for Blackadder,: yes, I found it trite and facetious. But the 'lions led by donkeys' view wasn't just a child of the 60s; it was current in the 20s, too.
Yes but i believe the term coined in the 20s was actually something along the lines of a former soldier looking at the better generalship of the British over the Germans. I will have to look it up, but i dont think it was the same as say Laffin's use of the pharse.
Terraine is into systems and doesnt view human agency too much- thus he paints a very bleak picture. Same with Taylor , if not more so.
No its really only Laffin who builds upon these ideas but turns it on the Generals
@thisisnev this was a reinactment! uhh some people it was just to demonstrate the warfare not the conditions, just like all the other great reinactments fort nelson does
@ChrisDonaldsonVideos in fact this originaly is a part of the fort where the mortars are and the stairs lead up to a firing deck for defence in the war against napolian, trust me if you knew what this origanly is you would NOT be complaining about how clean/ or how "unrealistic" i is they obviously didnt want to cause damage to the fort but sticking mud to the walls ar letting rats in or whatever, its not ebvn dug into the ground, seriously - where have you seen better?
Yeah but by end 1916 they started to develop new tactics and in 1917 is the year taht the worlds armies learn to fight an effective modern war. It was tactics that resulted in the final victory
All wars are terrible and tragic. However the first great war I beleive is the worst one of all. Biological warfare (disformities and disabilities) Barb wire on trenches, no mans land, the maggots and other insect life including disease and bacteria in the trenches, shrapnel flying past your head, trench foot, spend the entire war in a ditch occassionly being ordered to walk across no mans land just to be cut up by the enemy macheine guns. Those are terrible things to endure.
1. No chemical weapons were used that us moderns are used to- it was gas whilst a chemical doesnt have the same effect as bio hazard mutigens.
2. Trench warfare actually reduces your causualties compared to open warfare like ww2.
3. WW1 was first war where battle casualties exceeded those from disease.
4. Walking was used only where it was wise to do so. After the first day of the somme new tacitcs emerged to make the advances safer and more profitable.
I find it hard to believe that soldiers would have been in such high spirits in the trenches as this actor makes out. Secondly where are the dead bodies of other soliders on the trench floor?
They werent always miserable people, often they were in high spirits at other times extreme lows. Also they have a tendancey to remove the dead from the trench when not in the middle of a battle. A few would be in no mans of course.
Why does everyone think ww1 shooter would be boring. Say Call of Duty how it does the two storylines?
1. Could be in the Middle Eastern theatre, Egypt, Sinai, Palestine and Syria> Semi trench warfare, cavarly, dismounted cavarly, mobile warfare, field battles and bursting narrow siege/trench ilnes.
Western front- 1915 terror trenchwarfare, 1917 set piece battels and 1918 resumption of open warfare. Not to mention capturing towns, redoubts and trenches
you make good points and i would like to play a call of duty WW1 game the only thing that might get boring is the arsenal of wepons not that much to pick from in the early 1900´s i´t will be say 60% boltacktion rifels and the ocation lewis gun and fixed vickers but i think it will have potensial and i would love to play it
@fp470 Half the game would be watching the virtual friends getting blown up by artillery while you were getting mowed down buy a German gun 75 feet away from you
@Trustehspork The fact is WW2 had horrible battles, bigger blunders and a higher fatality and casualty rate-we still make games out of it dont we? Also if you knew a bit about the Great War you would know it would be possible to make a WW1 game.
@fp470 um if there was a ww1 cod game then the guy you would play as would die every time the only thing that seems possible is you being in the ottoman empire fighting the british. I know a lot more bout this war than you btw
@Trustehspork No mate I sincerely doubt that. The Battles of the Frontiers, a number of WW1 battles could be turned into a game. Especially once you get to 1917 with set piece battles and then the resumption of semi-static warfare and 100 days campaigns
@fp470 ok so they will also add the piles of dead bodies blown up clouds of gas burning your throat, though there may be battles that you can recreate but they major battles that dragged on for months like verundum will be impossible to capture the real story. i am sorry if you really want the thrill of getting hammered by bombs and torn apart by a maxium gun.
@Trustehspork Well when you think about it even in ww2 the battles go for months, but in game they take the counteroffensie portion and turn it into a series of tightly controlled missions.
its cuz trench warfare limits u to wut u can do where u can go. plus it gets boring for online play. i dont mind all that, i think it would be awesome to play a ww1 game, but sadly it aint gunna happen. not at least for a major gaming company... :(
Mud? Mud only occured for a few months of the year, in the North of France and Belgium mainly. The entire front wasnt mud filled. For the British army the battles around Ypres and the last 2 months of the Somme were the only reall big mud battles, and even then only parts of the battle were mud clogged.
Rats- Well they exist surely but wouldnt be sitting on the guys hat?
Also the Dead were often not left in the Trench. Extracted to casualty clearing stations and buried or in no mans.
beautiful video I live in South America, specifically Chile santiago but my paternal grandparents were Englishmen who came to this side of the world reacts to life after a great war dela greeting to all the British people land of my ancestors greetings from chile the end of the world
Pretty good video. Not keen on the GWS though, bunch of tossers when i tried to join up. I dare say theres some good uns in that lot, but the leadership. Foul. Anyways, can't fault it for content, well done!
They are defo for real. trench raiding parties used to go out at night and club each other to death...and bring back a prisoner for intel. They used these because they could move faster at night also reducing noise and no chance of an ND (negligent discharge either). They would have been fucked if they were spotted in no mans land as no chance of defending themselves from rounds incoming.
This looks awesome! That's definently a tour I got to go on! I really wish they made a WW1 game, there realy is a lot of originality with that, they've pretty much used up WW2 in the movies and games industries.
tell me about it, ww1 games would be great, its just some nerds complain that theirs not enough machine guns, and one idiot said there was no tanks lol
Really, there would be nothing fun about a game on ww1 if it were based on reality because all that happened in ww1 was sitting in a trench waiting for the other side to run out of supplies. that's what i really came down to for who won and who lost. games on ww2 would be much more entertaining since stragey is involved
What a crock of BS! WW1 was intensely exciting. Being shelled by artillery barrages sometimess poison gases. The giant massive body wave attacks/counter attacks across no-man's land. The onslaugt of close quarters hand to hand combat in the trenches. German strumtruppen attacking with huge sacks of grenades about their necks.Blazing into a tench with an MG 08/15 .or a MP-18. trying to fend them back with Enfield rifle, Webley pistol, Mills grenades & a trench knife. YEAH BORING AS HELL!
I would love to have gone there and done that when it was still up, ive been in some good trench mock ups before but not with live events, thx for loading
Nice! I went to Fort Nelson a few years back and saw some WW1 Brits firing at German aircraft flying over. Thats when i first got interested with ww1 and 2 and reenacting, i also saw a display of militaria in a big indoor area with lots of cannons in it... i thinks :D
Cool.
CreeperFaceGaming 1 month ago
Trenches wouldn't Be that clean. In flandres they would Be muddy and Full of water, at Somme destroyed by Arty and the Whole trench would just Be a crater
xyvvz 1 month ago
@xyvvz This is a museum due to health and safety pretty sure they couldn't fill the trench with water and mudd
ScreamingEagle29 4 weeks ago
stronzata
bugna1968 3 months ago
The British Trenches rarely were that deep, a German trench was more likely because the trenches marked the German Borders... but the British and French were convinced that they would retake all of the lost ground and so they're trenches were shallow! the Germans had large elaborate trenches while the British didn't waste much time on they're trenches
Airman450123 11 months ago
@Airman450123 That was only true in certain circumstances. By 1916 the Anglo-French trenchlines were increasing in complexity for much of the front. The Allies as the main attackers from late 1916 to 1917 launched a series of successful attacks which did see their line moving more with less time to consolidate- that said their trenches did benefit and were actually this deep (I have stood in them). From late 1917 to end of the war with the rapid allied advances trenches became less important
fp470 9 months ago
@fp470 NOOPE Dumbass
corius737 7 months ago
@corius737 Thank you for your insightful and I am quiet sure, well researched answer.
fp470 7 months ago
Sir yes Sir. Even though you probably have the toughness of one skin flake of the men who really fought in the trenches.
BallsInYourJawsBitch 11 months ago
Many trenches had machinegun redoubts and pits. Trenches were often supported with corrugated steel, but mostly wood.
tony1234872 1 year ago
Many trenches had machinegun redoubts and pits.
tony1234872 1 year ago
Lol, I know that they felt him down for bombs, that German. But for a second I thought, feeling him down for guns? Jeese, he has one on his right hip.
tony1234872 1 year ago
WTF why so unfriendly that German only ask the British guy if he has an Facebook Account!
Batner112 1 year ago
lol they dug in DEEEP
SatoTM3 1 year ago
I want to go there
lukefromdownunder 1 year ago
hate the accent, understand nothing
Kikikaification 1 year ago
@Kikikaification haha, at least it's authentic mate. Where you from? I'm an aussie and I understood him fine
lukefromdownunder 1 year ago
Really Good Job
edttex 1 year ago
1:43 "stand-to" has changed meaning since WW1, seems to me LMAO
or according to what you guys are doing
SS13E3 1 year ago
why can,t our world stop FIGHTING,this seems to be the only thing humans can sure do with out fail,so much hate and greed,I really do not understand why we can not all put all this wealth and might together,and live in peace,can we not just share the world and teach one another new cultures without killing to make a point,FFSAKE
tiedupsmurf 1 year ago
the guy in the video is a pussy, he wouldnt have lasted a minute on a real trench
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that's not real but funny
MH681001 1 year ago
A slight taste of it.
michaelwright999 1 year ago
I'll probably get FP No.1 for saying this, but it seems to me the real lesson to be learned from WWI is to be extremely sceptical towards politicians who insist on dragging us into unwinnable wars for dubious reasons.
Unfortunately, judging from the comments here, all this re-enactment malarkey has achieved is to get the console addicts drooling over the high-definition gore they could enjoy in Call of Duty: Passchendaele.
I'm off to find a better 'ole.
thisisnev 1 year ago
@thisisnev the war only unwinnable because they had no idea what to do with the technology. Also the real political struggle was after the war with the treaty of Versailles. BTW Nobel dreamed dynamite would end war. The sad fact is that the only things achieved is the end to millions of men's lives. I read that it was common in Europe in the years following the war to see men shaking(shellshock) and with missing limbs. The sad fact of this useless war
Trustehspork 1 year ago
@Trustehspork You're right about the shellshock cases - my dad was taught by several in his schooldays in the 1930s, and worked alongside others when he was a dockyard apprentice.
His father lied about his age to enlist, and served in France as a Royal Army Midical Corps ambulance driver on the Western Front. He drove maimed and dying Canadians back to clearing stations after the Battle of Vimy Ridge in 1918. For the rest of his life, he'd often wake up shouting with his recurrent nightmares.
thisisnev 1 year ago
@thisisnev My grandparents lived by a man who had a dad who served as a driver for generals in france. He told me that the car got stuck in the newly bombed soil and when they tried to dig the tires out they would find dead men. he also had to drive through clouds of mustard gas sometimes without a gas mask because his passengers needed them more.
Trustehspork 1 year ago
Well, Mr Videos, thank you for giving us all the benefit of your unrivalled expertise. What were we all thinking of, eh?
I would be fascinated to hear how you re-enact death by gas, trench mortar, tunnel mine, liquid fire, phosphorus shell, creeping barrage, being buried alive in a dugout and all the other great crowd-pleasers of the most senseless slaughter in history. After all, I only heard about it second-hand from two grandfathers who were there - what do I know?
thisisnev 1 year ago
i went to this it was so good :)
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
fake and AWESOME!!!
tar464 1 year ago
every man in my family has been in the service my grandpa's dad's uncel was a cavarly officer in ww1
ccbc0110 1 year ago
i had ALOT of family in ww1, only one great uncle that volunteered to fly for the british in 1915, i have his wings!!! really cool!
emachines007 1 year ago
my great great uncle was in ww1 in the american army
honortheallies 1 year ago
@honortheallies same here but two uncles for me
breagyfamily 1 year ago
my Great Grandad was in WWI. he was only 15 when he voulenteered for the Canadian army.
Litterboxer529 1 year ago
nice video but I dont think that the trenches were so clean or made out of sheet metal either :)
MrEarth444 2 years ago
1. Trenches were rarely this clean, however when newly constructed they would look something like this.
2. The British from early 1917 started to invest money and material in improving thier trench building materials. So yes corragated tin was a feature.
3. The water table was only high during the long winter in the North of France, although some exceptions applied.
fp470 2 years ago
Thanks for the very interesting information! but I was being very general about how awful life in the trenches were. I am sorry but the wonderful duplicate was just a little TOO clean to be 100% believable. I am pretty sure everything else was accurate. thanks again for the extra bits of info they were enlightening!
MrEarth444 1 year ago
Well its not real, nor has it been through war.
MisterSymo1 1 year ago
nice impression. Seems like a fancy trench though.
samipso 2 years ago
@samipso, Too fancy, and a bit unrealistic. For one, if an attack came, civilians would be rushed back from the frontlines at once. Also, not to mention gas attacks. The brits didn't have that fancy of a trench, though the germans were luckier in that department.
SamPD2 1 year ago
That's what i was thinking too. But i suppose they had better built trenches further back from the frontlines. Obviously not with machinegun emplacements. Maybe artillery pits or something.
samipso 1 year ago
@samipso Maybe, maybe not.
But the tanks has been invented since then, making trench warfare obsolete.
SamPD2 1 year ago
lol this is probably how a real tommy would react, hey guys givem a closer look!
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
wow, you guys have a great public event, i applaud you!
Oggie389 2 years ago 2
@Oggie389 woo and i went ;P
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
cool
Boyskieryaya2232 2 years ago
world war one was a massacre on both sides, brave souls
AbsoluteMetal91 2 years ago 2
The video isn't very realistic. In the reality of WW1, the german soldiers, who appeared at the edge of the trench would have thrown hand grenades into the trench.
maxielane 2 years ago
thats because it isn't real, can't expect it to be.
AbsoluteMetal91 2 years ago
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I was in World War One....this is exactly what war was like back then :-/
Migs4000 2 years ago
Bet you where
birdman631 2 years ago
yes where?
Migs4000 2 years ago
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birdman631 2 years ago
lol
Migs4000 2 years ago
how old are you then?
fiskerlord 2 years ago
over 9000 years old
Migs4000 2 years ago
Lolz
lundholm4 2 years ago
Frank Buckles?
ele90 2 years ago
@maxielane yes because you've seen many movies thus you know what it was like cuz u were sorta there
kylejones7 2 years ago
thats just wasting grenades
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Jeffronto 1 year ago
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SakuChanofthesand 1 year ago
@maxielane this was a reinactment just to show a trench and how do you know they wouldhave, maybe nowadays but back then they were less experienced
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
@maxielane this wasnt just a video it was actualy a tour/reinactment, what there going to throw a granade down into a bunch of people? - hmm good one.
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
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wonder if they add the part of the tour where he lives the rest of his life with shell shock and post war trauma. becomes a alcoholic and dies in the street poor and alone and forgotten.
sacrificialtotem 2 years ago
well i think in the time permitted they showed a fair share of the story.
jimmy202500 2 years ago 12
Haha, perfect tour ! :-D
ZemplinTemplar 2 years ago
fp, german trenches were better because they got the chance to choose higher grounds, so not so much water.
BaFUD 2 years ago
Yeah I know, the Germans go into a retreat back to well constructed trenches strategy in 1915. Thus they chose their ground carefully. But by and large most Anglo-French trenches were dry most of the year.
fp470 2 years ago
I hate how these actors representing soldiers always seem to have Cockney accents.
Let's not forget, they were recruited from all around England, Scotland, Wales and more so, Ireland. The Irish were used terribly; literally made to walk as screens for non-Irish soldiers.
The Commonwealth dominions also fought, not just Londoners ffs.
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
The reason being is that people's modern (and false) perception is that he working classes fought the war. Thus they use cockney accents to communicate that connotation. Further since the Great War countries have tried to only represent themselves in the conflict. Australia and Canada are the two worst countries for doing this. So this is filmed in England so it will only acknowledge English people and perceptions of the war. Historiography is a real bastard for looking accurately at the past
fp470 2 years ago
I know it's a perception based thing; sadly a conformist style of representing things too.
It still annoys me though; it annoys me just as much over the fact that you mentioned, that it wasn't just the working-class who fought in the war. Let us note, even the higher classes weren't all officers.
My Great Grandfather was working-class though, and he fought in WWI, so I'm not doubting the working class in anyway at all.
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
The Irish "literally made to walk as screens for non-Irish soldiers"? Where on earth did you hear that?
thisisnev 2 years ago
One of two Great Grandfathers of mine, who both fought in WWI, was Irish.
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
I can appreciate that he might have felt that way - but many units, of all nationalities and on both sides, felt they were being used as cannon fodder while others had cushy numbers in quiet sectors.
Units with a 'good fighting record' (and this includes Irish, Canadian and ANZAC battalions) were often chosed to spearhead assaults, with inevitably high casualty rates. Perhaps your great-grandfather was in one such unit.
thisisnev 2 years ago
Maybe so, but I do appreciate the fact that all troops were used as cannon fodder - after all, it was a battle of attrition sadly.
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
Well the GWS were/are predominantly from the London/Essex area. If you had a video of other groups (my old group for example), we're all from the Midlands and "oop Nurth" so naturally, we'd have different accents. In fairness, you'd rather hear someone speaking with their actual voice than someone doing a bad impression of someone else, right?
Qorlan 2 years ago
Yeah I suppose I'd rather hear a genuine accent, but even in documentaries on TV it's quite sickening to hear the cockney accent all the time, more or less.
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
Oh i agree totally, the media (especially Hollywood) seems to forget the rest of Britain exists and any time an Englishman appears on screen, hes a cockney.
Well, the Birmingham Pals (my old group) have been doing more film work of late, so expect to hear more brummies in the trenches in future :)
Qorlan 2 years ago
Especially Hollywood!
Are the videos on your channel?
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
Unfortunately not. While several were taken, we never got around to putting them anywhere public.
Qorlan 2 years ago
Well if you ever upload them, and I add you as a friend, could you notify me please, if possible?
mrrmancunian 2 years ago
no I disagree, the cockney accent is a rarity in hollywood. Michael Caine is the only one I know.
NJRocks281 2 years ago
@Qorlan this wasnt just a video it was a reinactment in a fort near portsmouth, i went :P that man was crazy :s lol
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
@ChrisDonaldsonVideos
I know that, I am a First World War re-enactor myself and i've been to Fort Nelson on re-enactment before. Preaching to the converted...
Qorlan 1 year ago
@Qorlan cool
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
When I say walk I mean like 'the big push'. And I know the tactic your thinking of where the British advance under their own artillery fire so that they arte hidden by the smoke. And there was something that I don't remember it's name or use but was used to blind soldiers. Further more 4 years in a trench, it can drive a soldier barmy.
grobo11 2 years ago
Yea, this is very cool video. Demonstrates what it really was to be in trench war. 5 Stars
Bonne123 2 years ago
It's a lovely clean trench, full of lovely clean soldiers. Roll up, roll up for the WW1 Theme Park...
Doens't tally with the accounts I've read by those who endured it - or, indeed, what I remember my grandfathers telling me.
thisisnev 2 years ago
What is it thats not right? The purpose of this display is to demsontrate to you the tactical evolution that trenchlife represent by 1917. Yes its unpleasant but hey WW2 exhibits glorify the war too. What is it that is inaccurate here, do you feel?
fp470 2 years ago
It's not nearly unpleasant enough! It looks like what it is - a nice, tidy, sanitised mock-up of a luxury trench, with incredibly efficient drainage. But then I suppose the paying punters wouldn't want to wade through mud and hidden sump-holes, would they?
And the actor's a bit keen,too...
thisisnev 2 years ago
Well I agree on the actor
1. The mudfilled trench is actually a gross overstatment. Trenches in the North of France and Belgium were mud prone in Winter. However for much of the year dry conditions prevailed. We know of the mudfilled trench from the last few months of Somme and Passcendaele offensives. Water filled trenches are not the rule.
Drainage was always poor, you hit the water table.
fp470 2 years ago
But us moderns imagine all trenches as being permamentaly water filled. History programs are selective in the accounts they quote
True: British trenches had higher rates of water seepage than German (better built) and French (dryer country with lower water table).
True: Water Seepage was a seasonal phenomenom.
Any other oddities with the Trench. I think the purpose is to demonstrate the tactical innovations of 1917.
fp470 2 years ago
TV programmes are indeed selective. That's why I prefer written first-hand accounts - e.g. Sassoon, Graves, Blunden, Manning - and reliable historians like John Terraine.
Where the water table was high, as in the Belgian sector, the trench was waterlogged - even in good weather.
thisisnev 2 years ago
Sassoon is not reliable and is increadiblyt biased, Blunden is a twat also. the others....so so. Sassoon became popular in the 50s and 60s with the beetnik and hippy movments most ww1 vets thought he was a ratbag sentimentalists. John Terraine isnt a bad historian but is from a by gone age read up on Hart, Steele and Sheffield they will show you the real deal.
Trenches were only waterlogged in so0me parts of western front its a myth they all filled with water all year round.
fp470 2 years ago
Terraine is indeed from a bygone age - an age when historians were less inclined to revise history in order to attract the attentions of TV producers, and in which there were plenty of WW1 veterans to comment on his work.
Sassoon's poetry might have been picked up by the beat generation, but his 'Sherston' memoirs were published in the thirties and sold well enough to warrant three volumes and a collected single edition. As for Blunden, your scholarly opinion is noted...
thisisnev 2 years ago
Well actually every time a revisionist historian goes on television the station ususally recieves complaints. When Dr. Garry sheffield went on a Briiths documentary about the Somme he received personal threats for being ..so wrong, so sympathetic to hague and generally an idiot. Here in Australia a revisionist program series was alost howled off the air. The fact is people like the orthdox black armband view of the war. TV stations like it too.
fp470 2 years ago
Sassoon's works only recieved a small readership in the 30s, some veterans claimed he was overboard.
Most WW1 historiography is based around our perceptions- stupid war, poorly managed and worthless. Whilst some truth to these statments exists it has marginislised our range of interpretations. Schools now show black adder as how the war really was- that shocked me. But we have historians like Terraine, Laffin and Taylor to thank
fp470 2 years ago
Having reread Terraine's 'The Great War' recently, I wouldn't say he was particularly harsh on the generals. He makes the point several times that the sheer scale of the stalemate on the Western Front simply had no precedent, leaving them damned whatever they did.
As for Blackadder,: yes, I found it trite and facetious. But the 'lions led by donkeys' view wasn't just a child of the 60s; it was current in the 20s, too.
thisisnev 2 years ago
Yes but i believe the term coined in the 20s was actually something along the lines of a former soldier looking at the better generalship of the British over the Germans. I will have to look it up, but i dont think it was the same as say Laffin's use of the pharse.
Terraine is into systems and doesnt view human agency too much- thus he paints a very bleak picture. Same with Taylor , if not more so.
No its really only Laffin who builds upon these ideas but turns it on the Generals
fp470 2 years ago
@thisisnev this was a reinactment! uhh some people it was just to demonstrate the warfare not the conditions, just like all the other great reinactments fort nelson does
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
@ChrisDonaldsonVideos in fact this originaly is a part of the fort where the mortars are and the stairs lead up to a firing deck for defence in the war against napolian, trust me if you knew what this origanly is you would NOT be complaining about how clean/ or how "unrealistic" i is they obviously didnt want to cause damage to the fort but sticking mud to the walls ar letting rats in or whatever, its not ebvn dug into the ground, seriously - where have you seen better?
ChrisDonaldsonVideos 1 year ago
lol bayonets "they dont like it up them" cpl jones :D
BHDmalarkey 2 years ago
Technology was so far ahead of tactics their only option was to walk across an open field.
mauser3846 2 years ago
Yeah but by end 1916 they started to develop new tactics and in 1917 is the year taht the worlds armies learn to fight an effective modern war. It was tactics that resulted in the final victory
fp470 2 years ago
All wars are terrible and tragic. However the first great war I beleive is the worst one of all. Biological warfare (disformities and disabilities) Barb wire on trenches, no mans land, the maggots and other insect life including disease and bacteria in the trenches, shrapnel flying past your head, trench foot, spend the entire war in a ditch occassionly being ordered to walk across no mans land just to be cut up by the enemy macheine guns. Those are terrible things to endure.
grobo11 2 years ago
1. No chemical weapons were used that us moderns are used to- it was gas whilst a chemical doesnt have the same effect as bio hazard mutigens.
2. Trench warfare actually reduces your causualties compared to open warfare like ww2.
3. WW1 was first war where battle casualties exceeded those from disease.
4. Walking was used only where it was wise to do so. After the first day of the somme new tacitcs emerged to make the advances safer and more profitable.
5. Artillery more dangerous than MGs
fp470 2 years ago
cool
jlathe3 2 years ago
Very cool idea for bringing the past alive. I like how immersive it is for the museum visitor.
Gwynarra 2 years ago
I find it hard to believe that soldiers would have been in such high spirits in the trenches as this actor makes out. Secondly where are the dead bodies of other soliders on the trench floor?
importedmusic 2 years ago
They werent always miserable people, often they were in high spirits at other times extreme lows. Also they have a tendancey to remove the dead from the trench when not in the middle of a battle. A few would be in no mans of course.
fp470 2 years ago
awesome set
AUGER96 2 years ago
Call of duty should start doing WW1 That would be pretty Epic
RobloxFreak122 2 years ago 3
thing is you'd probably end up dying ... and you'd only be able to walk towards the enemy
JamesMH1993 2 years ago
Why does everyone think ww1 shooter would be boring. Say Call of Duty how it does the two storylines?
1. Could be in the Middle Eastern theatre, Egypt, Sinai, Palestine and Syria> Semi trench warfare, cavarly, dismounted cavarly, mobile warfare, field battles and bursting narrow siege/trench ilnes.
Western front- 1915 terror trenchwarfare, 1917 set piece battels and 1918 resumption of open warfare. Not to mention capturing towns, redoubts and trenches
fp470 2 years ago 6
WW1 Was Very Intresting
RobloxFreak122 2 years ago 2
Air battles.
Gwynarra 2 years ago
you make good points and i would like to play a call of duty WW1 game the only thing that might get boring is the arsenal of wepons not that much to pick from in the early 1900´s i´t will be say 60% boltacktion rifels and the ocation lewis gun and fixed vickers but i think it will have potensial and i would love to play it
joebryer 2 years ago
@fp470 Half the game would be watching the virtual friends getting blown up by artillery while you were getting mowed down buy a German gun 75 feet away from you
Trustehspork 1 year ago
@Trustehspork The fact is WW2 had horrible battles, bigger blunders and a higher fatality and casualty rate-we still make games out of it dont we? Also if you knew a bit about the Great War you would know it would be possible to make a WW1 game.
fp470 1 year ago
@fp470 um if there was a ww1 cod game then the guy you would play as would die every time the only thing that seems possible is you being in the ottoman empire fighting the british. I know a lot more bout this war than you btw
Trustehspork 1 year ago
@Trustehspork No mate I sincerely doubt that. The Battles of the Frontiers, a number of WW1 battles could be turned into a game. Especially once you get to 1917 with set piece battles and then the resumption of semi-static warfare and 100 days campaigns
fp470 1 year ago
@fp470 ok so they will also add the piles of dead bodies blown up clouds of gas burning your throat, though there may be battles that you can recreate but they major battles that dragged on for months like verundum will be impossible to capture the real story. i am sorry if you really want the thrill of getting hammered by bombs and torn apart by a maxium gun.
Trustehspork 1 year ago
@Trustehspork Well when you think about it even in ww2 the battles go for months, but in game they take the counteroffensie portion and turn it into a series of tightly controlled missions.
fp470 1 year ago
ya,maybe.i never seen a ww1 game befor,i don't know wy?any body know a ww1 game?anyway,nice video!
Haddockxyz300 2 years ago
its cuz trench warfare limits u to wut u can do where u can go. plus it gets boring for online play. i dont mind all that, i think it would be awesome to play a ww1 game, but sadly it aint gunna happen. not at least for a major gaming company... :(
Pockets215 2 years ago
this would be a good call of duty experience.
Legokink1 2 years ago 10
That event looks fun,but it would not be fun if it's real;Anyway the event looks really interesting.....
tea789456123 2 years ago
where was the mud? Water ? Rats? Dead people?
unddyin 2 years ago
Mud? Mud only occured for a few months of the year, in the North of France and Belgium mainly. The entire front wasnt mud filled. For the British army the battles around Ypres and the last 2 months of the Somme were the only reall big mud battles, and even then only parts of the battle were mud clogged.
Rats- Well they exist surely but wouldnt be sitting on the guys hat?
Also the Dead were often not left in the Trench. Extracted to casualty clearing stations and buried or in no mans.
fp470 2 years ago
@ unddyin
I doubt there would be dead people just lying there, I think they'd have moved the dead
denis1110 2 years ago
wat was missing was fear thn it wouldve looked more real
lnlnja 2 years ago
thanks this will help alot in my history project
jimmythecool911 2 years ago
beautiful video I live in South America, specifically Chile santiago but my paternal grandparents were Englishmen who came to this side of the world reacts to life after a great war dela greeting to all the British people land of my ancestors greetings from chile the end of the world
nelsoneukz 2 years ago 3
you must be like 70 years old if they experienced the war.
88pie88 2 years ago
actually around 110 years old!!
jhkhiykhiykh 2 years ago
jajajaj nooo not me but my ancestors
greetings
cawerza 2 years ago
Interesting... I just hope it's all authentic and was able to give something that could get as near to an acual trench experience as possible...
I wasn't impressed. Looked too polished and picnic-ish.
Zeanu 2 years ago
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KingPerro81 2 years ago
Pretty good video. Not keen on the GWS though, bunch of tossers when i tried to join up. I dare say theres some good uns in that lot, but the leadership. Foul. Anyways, can't fault it for content, well done!
Qorlan 2 years ago
Just without a trench full of water, foot-rot and rats
Birdmanofbrize 2 years ago 4
abs your a star mate..wasted in reenactment..
nice work
mashbury 2 years ago
you could get som much money if you used this place for airsoft.
craiglbphelps123 2 years ago
or paint ball
ghostplanes 2 years ago
Yeah...but paintball would ruin the authenticity
zzman305 2 years ago 2
Is he for real when he introduce those 2 trench clubs or were those just a joke, cause laughen when he introduce the spike club.
HiroSuen 3 years ago
I think the last one is a joke
666Zombiekill 2 years ago
No, those were decidedly real. Lots of hand weapons around, easier to use in the tight quarters than those big bolt action rifles.
TurbineDogSevenFour 2 years ago
They are defo for real. trench raiding parties used to go out at night and club each other to death...and bring back a prisoner for intel. They used these because they could move faster at night also reducing noise and no chance of an ND (negligent discharge either). They would have been fucked if they were spotted in no mans land as no chance of defending themselves from rounds incoming.
Damo3445 2 years ago
theres a call of duty world at war thats WW2 they should make a hole new game call WWI or just make a new call of duty based on WWI.
pureamir8 3 years ago 4
This looks awesome! That's definently a tour I got to go on! I really wish they made a WW1 game, there realy is a lot of originality with that, they've pretty much used up WW2 in the movies and games industries.
armormaster 3 years ago 2
tell me about it, ww1 games would be great, its just some nerds complain that theirs not enough machine guns, and one idiot said there was no tanks lol
redfan45x 3 years ago 4
Yeah! you know what would be great, A Call of Duty WWI mod.
RollandB 3 years ago
oh man that sounds good. In the COD5, all i do is use a rifle anyway, but to use it in a trech would be awesome
MarcianoMMA 3 years ago
The trench gun was the deadliest gun used in trench warfare.
UnknownAccount0 3 years ago
they really need to make a video game about WW1
MajorWinters91 3 years ago 8
That's what I was thinking!
UnknownAccount0 3 years ago
Really, there would be nothing fun about a game on ww1 if it were based on reality because all that happened in ww1 was sitting in a trench waiting for the other side to run out of supplies. that's what i really came down to for who won and who lost. games on ww2 would be much more entertaining since stragey is involved
Funkdb 3 years ago
What a crock of BS! WW1 was intensely exciting. Being shelled by artillery barrages sometimess poison gases. The giant massive body wave attacks/counter attacks across no-man's land. The onslaugt of close quarters hand to hand combat in the trenches. German strumtruppen attacking with huge sacks of grenades about their necks.Blazing into a tench with an MG 08/15 .or a MP-18. trying to fend them back with Enfield rifle, Webley pistol, Mills grenades & a trench knife. YEAH BORING AS HELL!
DragonsTailSlayer 3 years ago
it would be a good idea for a video game :)
Pereira360 3 years ago 4
I would love to have gone there and done that when it was still up, ive been in some good trench mock ups before but not with live events, thx for loading
MattSharpe95th 3 years ago
Nice! I went to Fort Nelson a few years back and saw some WW1 Brits firing at German aircraft flying over. Thats when i first got interested with ww1 and 2 and reenacting, i also saw a display of militaria in a big indoor area with lots of cannons in it... i thinks :D
BOT101st 3 years ago
great! :D
scaryhans5 3 years ago
Brilliant,Just amazingly brilliant
airborne1940 3 years ago
bravo
ww2FAN121 3 years ago
Great video and it was also good for those educators that it was deprived of ankle deep rain water, human excrement and rats the size of footballs.
hollywoodwerewolf 3 years ago
absolutely fantastic, hope to see more video's from the fort this year
UBIQUEROL 3 years ago
Much better!
englishwarbow 3 years ago
That was great.
brucey1970 3 years ago
Bloody brillaint, really enjoyed it.....more please. Paul M
DUTYFIRSTDUTYFIRST 3 years ago
Great stuff - Stephen, you're a bloody genius!
stewmorr 3 years ago