it appears to people that there is a duality or trinity, then they are the victims of deception, for they do not think logically but according to human knowledge.
But if they think according to the knowledge of the spirit, they find the logic, which is also in the law.
Only human thinking can be incorrect, not the laws of Creation. For this reason, it is said that everything emanates from a unity...
Is the Holy Spirit a person? I think the Holy Spirit is the Blood. Holy Spirit has been poor out for man-kind win you are born of the Spirit by the power of the "Holy Ghost" and "baptize with fire" not water... For water is for repentance
When you know a person, it is easier to believe He is a person. Jesus is is heaven at the right hand of the Father. It is quite technically the Spirit of Christ who we are acquainted with.
Look at that, people can also be IN the Holy Spirit the same way the Holy Spirit can be IN people.
Luke 10:21 In that very hour he became overjoyed in the holy spirit and said: I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes.
Those who are unspiritual do not receive the gifts of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to them, and they are unable to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
Reason and logic are sometimes limited to our undestanding. And if we try to understand something that we don't believe and rejects than we will never be able to grasp it.
Do you understand that if there is a God, he can communicate and reveal himself to people? And God only reveal himself to those who seek him. Once he reveals himself, you cannot deny it. I can only speak for myself. You would need to go through it, except you have to be willing.
Acts (28:25) It says that the Holy Spirit spoke yet it is repeating Isaiah (28:8-10) that says God was speaking. The Holy Spirit is a person Acts (13:2) While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS LYING TO GOD Acts (5:3,4) You have played false, not to men, but to God." THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD
As I answered you at the beginning of the comments, only the H.Sprit is personified in many books of the Bible. Whereas other things are not. The H.Spirit according to the Bible is a person.
P.S. JWs say that He cannot be a person and still indwell us, but God Himself is said to have filled the believers in Ephesus (Eph.3:19). And Christ is also said to fill all things (Eph. 1:23).
Very good. Great background pic. Scripture shows the Holy Spirit to be equal to God, having all of the attributes of God, and doing things that ONLY God has the ability to do. The evidence points to the unmistakable conclusion that the Holy Spirit can be no other than God! He also uses personal pronouns for Himself, as in Acts 13: 2, and in Acts 5:3, 4, lying to Him is the same as lying to God.
MrKattt-WELL DONE!! Sorry I took so long 2 view this..I've been very busy.
I think you've covered all the verses applicable. What really drove it home 4 me when I first learned about the Holy Spirit was that he teaches, grieves for us, guides, speaks for us, AND can be lied to -attributes of a person only. The Bible refers 2 the H.S. as a WHO not a "what". Also, it is considered the sin that leads 2 death if u reject & lie 2 the H.S (obviously not personification). Acts 5:3, Hebrews 6:4-6.
How does just merely quoting every time the Holy Spirit is mentioned personify it?
If the Holy Spirit is God's energy, then everything God does would use that energy. Therefore, if God speaks, then the Holy Spirit speaks, if God creates, then the Holy Spirit creates, etc.
One can be baptized in, filled with, receive, or be anointed with it, or it can be poured out. A person?
Greek (pneuma) and Hebrew (ruach), translated "spirit", mean "breath" or "wind", not always a personage, as you claim.
I did not merely quote when the Spirit was mentioned, but when He is personified (big diff.).
If I speak through a mic and my voice is heard through a speaker; we cannot say that the speaker is speaking, same for the H-Spirit. He must be a person to speak.
The H-Spirit is a "spirit", so yes HE can fill, baptize in, be received/anointed with and poured: H'is not limited like flesh.
Acc. to the Strong's concordance, "ruach" & "pneuma" can mean much more than 2 things, please check it out.
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isa 40:26
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Gen 1:1-2
God created, using "great power and mighty strength" called Holy Spirit.
The comparison is not a very good one. It's not because God had "great power and mighty strength" that this is the Holy Spirit.
God has many other traits, can we say that all of his traits are the H-Spirit?
Check out the verses in the video, they all personify the H-Spirit, thus he is a person. If he is not, then what a great coincidence that all of these authors thought of personifying him. Why didn't they personify anything else to such an extent?
Jesus had no power to perform miracles until he received the Holy Spirit. God's power allowed him this ability. That's how God can take credit for creation in Gen and Jesus is given credit in John. Sure, Jesus did it, but he wouldn't have been able to do anything without God's power. (John 8:28, Prov ch 8, John 1:10)
Obviously, you're a trinitarian. The God of the Bible can't be killed by human hands, so you might want to consider what you're calling your "god". God never died and never will.
Jesus had no power because he hunbled himself (Phil 2:5-9). He was made like us in ALL manner (read why: Heb 2:17, Heb 4:15). This is why he had no power and (like us) he had to gain his power through intense prayer and fasting.
God can't die, but the flesh surely can. God NEVER did die. Only Jesus' body died (his sacrifice for us as a type of the sacrificial lamb in the O.T.) but not the spirit - God is spirit he did not die. My God is Almighty indeed!
Phil 2 refers clearly to 2 different people, God and Jesus. "equality with God", "God exalted him". This scripture points out the different attitude of Jesus, than Satan, who DID grasp at equality in Eden.
Clearly, Jesus was a man, just as the Bible indicates (1Cor 15:21). He didn't get power from fasting, but from his Father (John 8:28), or is Jesus lying about that, too?
Why must you complicate Jesus' relationship with God from a "son" - as the Bible says - to an equal? (2Cor 11:3-4)
Jesus being in the "form" of God means he was God, just as him becoming in the "form" of a servant means he BECAME a servant. Just as we see 2 persons in Phil 2 (which are one), we also see 2 persons in John 1 (which are one God) ... and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. 2 persons in ONE God.
Jesus was both God and man. We see the man Jesus in his life on earth, but the writters show that he was also God.
Of course it is from his Father he got his power, but if he had not ...
Your confusion is blasphemy! Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. He BECAME a servant because he's the Only Begotten Son. The only thing directly created by God, himself (Pro 8). Don't you understand a father/son relationship? Jesus was never referred to as the "conjoined twin" or "cousin".
Jesus was with "ho theos", THE God, and was "theos", the very nature of said God. "Form of" doesn't mean "is" (2Cor 4:4). God SENT his SON (John 17:3) and said son perfectly represented the Father (John 14:9-11).
Perhaps your problem is you're under the impression I'm saying Jesus didn't exist before his Earthly life (1Cor 15:47). He was the "firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15-17), "the beginning of his work" (Pro 8:22), "the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev 3:14).
Jesus is a created spirit person, later sent to Earth by God to live and die as a human, to pay Adam's debt (1Cor 15:21-22). Perfect human life for perfect human life. Jesus DID die and was rewarded for his faithfulness (1Cor 15:27).
Jesus came to be a servant to HUMANS, not God (Mat 20:28).
"did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (Phil 2:6) "God exalted him"(Phil 2:9) - your "proof" text proves separate persons.
Stop adhering to Church dogma and let the Bible teach you the truth. Just read the words that are in it and stop trying to force it to fit your false doctrine.
Jesus refers to himself over and over as God's SON. Why do you keep calling Jesus a liar?
"Stop adhering to Church dogma and let the Bible teach you the truth" or do you mean the Watchtower teach you the truth, not the Bible?
If Jesus becoming in the "form" of a servant means he WAS a servant, well him being in the "form" of God ALSO means that he WAS God.
Pr 8 doesn't say that Jesus was created, but it talkes of wisdom. BUT EVEN THEN, wisdom was NEVER created b/c this would mean that God was without wisdom in the beginning!
Anyway, why are you avoiding the real subject here? This video is about the Holy Spirit not Jesus. If you desire to debate Jesus - God, please go on Shazoolo's videos or James3v6's
Stop believing dogma! You need to read and accept the WHOLE Bible, not just some "proof texts". The Bible doesn't argue contradictory sides of an issue. I'll defend truth (1Pet 3:15), but won't debate (Mat 7:6). I'm about done with you. Examine multiple translations for a full understanding: brought me forth - NIV Or fathered; LXX: created - Footnote ESV sovereignly made me - MSG formed and brought me forth - AMP formed me -NLT made me -NLV made me -ACSB created me -NIRV biblegatewayDOTcom
The Son: "Mighty God", The Father "God Almighty" (Exo 6:3) the one they pierced - CEV the one they have stabbed - NCV Him Whose side they cut - NLV John 1:1 is constantly disputed and you know it. I was, and I am. - CEV I was and am and always will be - NLV I already was - WE "I am" is the wrong tense. so that they may be one as we are one - John 17:11 It was the JEWS that accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus never claimed it. Jesus is a "mighty god" and "Lord of Lords".
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God - Just 3 verses later (John 20:31)
Rom 9:4,5 only implies Jesus is God in a few awkward translations. Most do not. Expand your horizons.
2Cor 5:19 only implies God is actually INSIDE Jesus in awkward translations. Expand your horizons.
Col 2:9 is saying the same thing as John 1:1. The awkward trinitarian translations make it sound like God is inside Jesus, but just like John 1:1 & John 14:9-11, it's saying Jesus is like God. Read John 17:21 to understand this.
1Tim 3:16 is talking about Jesus, if you look in v 13. KJV is wrong to insert "God" in v 16.
Christ was revealed - NLT
Christ came - CEV
Christ came - NLV
Jesus appeared - NIRV
Others just say "he", referring back to the last person mentioned, Jesus.
Titus again agrees Jesus is a "mighty god". No argument from the Bible on that.
Heb 1:8-9 is obviously an awkward translation. Different versions use "your" and "his" in the same place. One recurring item, though, is "your God has anointed you".
2 Pet 1:1 just speaks of both God and Jesus, no implication that they are one and the same.
1Joh 5:18-20 is speaking mainly of God, so saying in 20 the "this" must be referring to Jesus is a stretch.
2Joh 7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. "This" is not Jesus, though he's immediately preceding.
The Bible is the "context". Read it all, not just "proof texts". Get a full understanding.
In my 102 version rom 9:5 says Jesus is God in 80% of versions. You should be honest.
2 Cor 5:19 Take a look at an INTERLINEAR. And sorry I don't blindly trust the Wt. Most versions say that "God was in Christ", thus God is OMNIPRESENT and Jesus!
Col 2:9 - Interlinears don't add "quality". ALL the godhead resides in Christ bodily. God is in Jesus=Jesus is God. "awkward trinitarian translations" ... 95% of version! You are very dishonest.
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. (John 17:21)
If you want to believe God set up residence inside of Jesus, I can't stop you. You also must include Jesus' disciples in your "godhead", since they are to be "in us", too.
Most Bible versions are translated by trinitarians, so they do the same thing you do. They see what they want and interpret within trinitarian parameters.
Chosing the versions that you like? When the great majority say what you don't like? You're good with research, why don't you do an honest one. I have 102 Bible versions and a very small amount, mostly from LIBERAL Bible scholars say very strange things.
God is also called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 10.
Jesus is called the "Alpha & Omega" in Rev 22:12-16.
My research is reading the ENTIRE Bible and making sure ALL scriptures are included in my understanding, not just some "proof texts". The Bible doesn't debate itself.
Jesus is a son, implying he's younger. "I was given birth" (Pro 8:29)
On the other hand, "from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (Psa 90:2)
All through the OT, God demands all honor go to himself. Jesus, all through the NT, directs honor to someone else. Both insist honor go to the Father.
"My research is reading the ENTIRE Bible and making sure ALL scriptures are included in my understanding, not just some "proof texts". The Bible doesn't debate itself."
lol, your research??? You mean the Wt's regurgitated nonsense.
I was given birth? Prov 8:29 doesn't say this and v. 30 says wisdom was brought with him. No births there. Again Jesus is NOT the literal wisdom of Proverbs and God was NEVER without wisdom.
He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. 12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end."
-->Ps 102:25-27 Jesus IS God and there are MANY other examples like this one.
Again, you are avoiding the subject of the Holy Spirit.
Not only this, but you CANNOT deal with the Scriptures given in the video and the conclusion I bring up at the end, because the Watchtower has an other gospel.
I don't recall mentioning the Watchtower once. You're the one who has to keep invoking it, because you're setting up a straw man argument then using a common logical fallacy: Argumentum ad populum. All I've done is use scripture, from many different versions. I've read the Bible, cover to cover. Your understanding is flawed, but you're not interested in the truth; you're only interested in winning a debate. I really don't care if you're confused, but stop confusing other people.
Heb 1:10-12 doesn't tell us anything we don't already know (John 1:3 & Prov 8:30). Using God's power of Holy Spirit, Jesus created everything, obviously, except for himself. If you demand that since Jesus created ALL things and you demand Jesus IS God, then you also demand your Jesus/God created himself. Sometimes the Bible assumes you have at least a room-temperature IQ and can understand simple concepts. Paul made allowance for people like you and spelled things out clearly in 1Cor 15:27.
Sorry... wrong verses. Would you just READ THE CHAPTER? Stop scouring the internet looking for proof texts and READ THE BIBLE. If you'd allow God's word to guide you, rather than some bogus church tripe, you'd understand and I wouldn't have to take you by the hand.
And don't "lol". Are you 9? Grow up.
Prov 8:24-25: When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth (NIV)
Confusing other people??? lol, you are a JW, so by default you believe everything they teach without checking anything for yourself, no confusion here.
YOU are very confusing; Jesus creating himself??? Jesus is NOT created, he is God: Eternal! No confusion here.
1 Cor 15:27, here I go again, explaning this. This is speaking (read the context) of when this system of things will be over. At that time we will have no more need for a mediator (which is what Jesus...
... is. Right now we have the Father who is the head, Jesus who is mediator during this system of things and the Holy Spirit which was sent when Jesus was taken up to heaven. After all is over God will be all in all (v.24, 28), and we will have direct access to the throne. At that time there will be ONE throne for both God and Jesus; Rev 22:1,3 (because God will have no need to manifest himself in 3 persons).
Tell me, why is there ONE throne for 2 (God and Jesus)?
"Stop scouring the internet looking for proof texts and READ THE BIBLE. If you'd allow God's word to guide you, rather than some bogus church tripe, you'd understand and I wouldn't have to take you by the hand.
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Tell me, please. If I read the Bible alone, will I see the Wt's doctrines in it? 1914, 1935, Holy Spirt = electr, Jesus created, no blood transf but I can take blood portions, great crowd stays on earth, Wt is God's org., 1919, Jesus = Michael, the stake, Jehovah not omnipres, etc..
I checked the meaning of the Hebrew word used for "I was given birth". It is in reality 2 different words at each place.
First: Could mean create or other.
7069 qanah kaw-naw' a primitive root; to erect, i.e. create; by extension, to procure, especially by purchase (causatively, sell); by implication to own:--attain, buy(-er), teach to keep cattle, get, provoke to jealousy, possess(-or), purchase, recover, redeem, X surely, X verily.
Second: 5258 nacak naw-sak' a primitive root; to pour out, especially a libation, or to cast (metal); by analogy, to anoint a king:--cover, melt, offer, (cause to) pour (out), set (up).
For the First (7069) the interlinear choses "possessed me" and for the second (5258), it choses "I was set up".
Again, there can be several meanings, the Wt will chose "create" wereas reason acknowledges that the wisdom of God is ETERNAL, so "possessed" and "set up" is a logical choice. Sorry!
mrkattt- great comments here!! i agree wholeheartedly! may GOD continue to use you in mighty ways! keep sharing the TRUE Gospel and Bible truth. Blessings!
MrKattt` Awesome, loved ur explanation of 1 Cor. 15:27 and Rev. 22:1,3. YES, they share the throne at the end of this system. JW's don't know how to explain that one. I never get a response. But it's very clear, they are one bcuz in the Old Test. God says he will not share his glory with another (Isa. 42:8) and in the New test. Jesus says he's going back to the Father to "hhare the Glory we had before the world began." John 17:5 See Rev 5:12 where Jesus gets same glory as the Father. Thx!
i love this video because it speaks the truth the real truth not the watered down version of the gospel that jw teach..see even when they see this kind of stuff they still deny it because they are spiritually blinded by their organization they stick their heads up soo.. high they cant see the little things that show us who god really is thanx for this great video god bless u and ur works for the lord
JWs act like the Bible is soooo complicated that you need a specialy called individual to explain it to others. All things that are evident are not suppose to be. And all the cult's complicated doctrines are supposed to be accepted as obvious.
Hey, if the Bible says 200 times that the Holy Spirit is a person, well, I guess I'll believe the Bible!
"That's why relying on the Bible ALONE is wrong."
I love that response. I can just see Philip using a Watchtower to help the Ethiopian eunuch understand the Book of Isaiah...and then getting back to him when what he taught him changes.
Brothers and sisters, when we see this video and how well it is put together, giving us enough material for bible studies for the rest of the year; then we read comments that we do not like or are even offended by, we tend to be mean or have a gang up mentality. We as christians have to remember what the bible says about "deceiving spirits" and being deceived in these latter times (1Tim4v1;2Tim3v13) and not hold that against those who are being deceived. PEACE
Thank you, james3. Yes, we know the world, especially christendom, is deceived, and rather than try to correct their own false teachings, they'd rather pick on the imperfect, human part of God's organization. It's very sad, really. I wish those that had any kind of hearts would allow Jehovah to "un-blind" their minds to see the truth. We can do what we can do in the service. The rest is up to Jehovah. He will find the sincere, honest-hearted ones out there WHO REALLY WANT THE TRUTH.
I'm not saying that to "pick on" or accuse anybody, but those who desire to exercise true insight as regards God and scriptural teachings will understand what I mean.
JW, I so dearly want to know the truth. The bible says that Jesus is the way and the truth.
The way you capitalized 'WHO REALLY WANT THE TRUTH' makes me think that you would teach me that I should want 'God's organization' more than God's Son. Disreguarding all doctrinal differences, could I live in paradise forever if I picked up the bible, read it, and only accepted Jesus as my Savior but didnt join any organization or church or group of believers?
YES. "Whosoever believeth in Him" does not require joining an organization; though being a member of a local group of believers is important for Christians, it is not required for salvation. JW is incorrect.
Bless you my dear sister. I know what it takes to be saved and I am an active member in a local congregation. I asked JWinCT that question earlier knowing full well what he would say; I just hope that some possible convert to the Watchtower organization will read what he said and the true Holy Spirit works in that one's heart to draw them to the true gospel and the real Jesus
It is possible; some do manage to escape that snare of the enemy. I thought you knew the answer, but wanted to be sure, and to post it for those that read and do not. The opportunity to reach so many is before us; we cannot waste it! The fields are waiting for the sowers.
Thank you for this video my brother I was so blessed. Its amazing that all the authors spoke in harmony; as you correctly said they may not have known each over but they definitely knew the one only wise God and they wrote by his spirit.
Amazing... let us forget the demonic rambling of the deceived and just eat of the pure Word og God
Thanks. This is what happens when people are led of the Spirit of Truth, they are in harmony, like a perfectly tuned orchestra. A thourough study of the Bible brings in light to dispell the darkness of the false gospels out there.
Oh yes, I definitely 'detect' the Holy Spirit because He talks to me. He is subtle, yes, glorifying the Father and the Son rather than Himself, just like Jesus: "Jesus replied, 'If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.'" (John 8:54)
"He" TALKS TO YOU?!?!?! You're actually hearing voices?!?!? BE CAREFUL. THIS IS A TACTIC OF NONE OTHER THAN SATAN THE DEVIL!!! He's got nearly 7 billion people believing what HE wants them to believe----Satanic teachings!!!
GOD IS ONE! In the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God the Spirit is God the Spirit! Equal in all aspects and characteristics. That is biblically clear! This is a VERY good study, my brother. I have made it a Favorite and will send it to my "Friends".
One last thing: People who don't understand what holy spirit is, when the bible talks about that it can be "grieved", cannot conceive what that really means. This is not a proof of a person, but that the one who grieves God's spirit is working in opposition to it, or is not yielding to the subtle influence of it. Peace.
It is very clear if we are not influenced by biased men and we examine all of these passages that the Holy Spirit IS a person. Is sin personified in many books? Is water and blood personified in many books? Or even wisdom? No. But the Holy Spirit just as Jesus and God and any other person, is personified. Conclusion; he is a person!
31 Books of the Bible personify him. This would be a strange coincidence if he was NOT a person, no?
Guess you didn't pay attention to what joerez8 or I taught you, huh? You remain the great unlearned, obstinately? Your choice. Remain in your ignorance if you like. Not I!! God's people know what holy spirit is. His active force, nothing more, nothing less.
Never heard of Joerez8. I'll look him up tomorrow, have to go to work.
You see, if someone relies on the Bible alone, he will see that the Holy Spirit is a person. But you are in a controling organization that tells you what to believe. In fact, if someone reads the Bible alone with no outside influences, he will never believe what JWs believe and will also see that Jesus is God.
Hope the hard yoke of the Wt will be broken from your neck by God. My yoke is easy.
Doesn't matter if he's a JW or not (on this issue). He recognizes the truth that holy spirit is God's active force. If you study the ancient Hebrew and Greek terms, as I have, in line with the rest of the Bible, you'll get just a tiny glimpse of what real accurate knowledge of God's word is!!
That's why relying on the Bible ALONE is wrong. The Ethiopian eunuch was trying to rely on his own understanding of the Bible alone, and was not able to come to accurate knowledge of God's word. That's why Philip was needed, to CORRECTLY expound to him the whole truth of God's word. If 500 people read "the Bible alone", and you asked them what they read, you'd get 500 DIFFERENT responses!! That's why Jesus promised the faithful slave to help keep his disciples in progressive accurate knowledge.
JWinCT: Troughout the inquisition, millions of christians died because they did not want someone tell them what the Bible meant other than God Himself. Sola Scriptura was the shout that echoed in the night when the fires burned. The Bible is the only truth we got. It reaveals to us who Jesus Christ is, He is the one the Bible is all about. You can find the truth if you seek it, from the Bible alone with the aid of the Holy Spirit. You do not need a manmade organisation.
Right.....I guess we should all trust the Watchtower, that changes its mind every few years, over the unchanged perfect Word of God, huh? I think I'll pass.
That's not true. The only reason some translations use the terms "he" and "him" is because of rules of Greek grammar, which Crosscheck seems to know very little of. It's very simple, if you put yourself in line with God's people, His channel of truth. The WT, Awake, and other pubs. are NOT inspired, only the Bible is----HOWEVER....you'll get more accurate understanding out of using both than just the bible alone. Why is that? Joe Average doesn't have a clue what he's reading!! We need the Truth.
Here's the problem, pure and simple: Jehovah has blessed one group, and one group alone (like the ancient Israelites and like the 1st-century Christians) with a means of how to understand and apply His word. In Moses' time, spiritually strong men led the congregation by means of holy spirit. Philip and others in the 1st century led the congregation to correct understanding BY MEANS OF HOLY SPIRIT. And the ONE modern day group of true worshipers are doing the same for all of God's people today.
The problem is: Those on the outside who fail to humble themselves and submit to Jehovah's will and serve him alone with His faithful Witnesses will never-------NEVER!!!! have correct understanding of God's will and Word!!! That's the problem in a nutshell RIGHT THERE!! And it's a serious one. 500 sincere people, reading the bible on their own, STILL come up with 500 different understandings of what they've read---just like the eunuch before he met Philip. We are the modern-day Philip, that's it
He became a true Christian, part of the (then) worldwide body of true worshipers, joined together in one group. Jehovah is a God of order, and he doesn't allow millions of little factions, each with its own ideas to attain to accurate knowledge. Only those humble enough to COME TO HIM.
JW said "He became a true Christian, part of the (then) worldwide body of true worshipers, joined together in one group. " Can you provide a verse to support this?
Jw... the reason no one understands the bible like jws without the help of the WT is because jw doctrine is so unbiblical it is impossible to come up with these ideas from reading scripture alone.
See? There ya go. You have failed to come to the mountain of Jehovah, and go off with the rest of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, into gross error and sin. Well, your funeral. Do what you want. You're going to anyway. You're anything BUT humble. God can't use you in this present state of yours.
Jw, if only you would glorify Jesus the way you Glorify the WT. The Wt is not the way, the truth or the life, Jesus is. You follow men, I follow the Christ.
As far as me being a sinner, that I am, one of the worst......but I am washed clean by the blood of Christ so that he may receive the glory for saving a wretch like me.
JWinCT: Brother, can you answer me why the JW had so many strange teachings back when you claim Jesus Christ chose JW for their truth? Why have the truth that was accepted as truth then, also by Jesus obviously, been changed? Why have the witnesses now again changed the doctrine of the last generation back to what it was in 1927? Why did pastor Russel, Rutherford and Knorr worship Jesus Christ?
We are never to study the Bible on our own, we are always to pray for the Holy Spirit.
I've given satisfying answers to these questions on other video's comments, so, look for those; I won't be commenting to the questions of someone who only wants to ridicule. This too is prophesied.
That's exactly what cult members are programmed say to themselves after they had been programmed with an irrational beliefs, it's triggered when someome points this out to them. Elders instruct cult members to 'knock on more doors' whenever a 'sheep' gets doubts or negative thinking about being in the cult. Thus they actively seek persecution to reinforce their delusion. This is how watchtower sheep are programmed to respond. Sorry but it's true.
Jw, it would appear that the WT knows less about Greek than I do. I can prove that a neuter is used of a person in Greek. Once again the spirit that is directing you and the org has lied to you.
Nonsense. You cannot grieve a force, only a person. The Holy Spirit is spoken of as ONE that comforts us and speaks for us. Of course, since jehovah's witnesses don't even believe in the deity of Jesus, I would not expect the Spirit to get any more respect.
You're right. Unfortunately the world has no concept of what God's holy spirit really is. It emanates from Him personally!! It affects anyone upon whom it rests. It's not like a blow to the head, but rather a very subtle breeze: ANOTHER term used in Scripture to describe holy spirit!! I have to do a little research, but I believe that every time, or nearly every, that holy spirit "seems" to be talked about as a person, the verbs used with it are always neutral---which shows it can't be a person.
The holy spirit works so very subtly, almost unnoticeably, and yet after it's accomplished its purpose, it leaves no doubt that the work it has done is from Jehovah God Himself!! One usually detects the RESULTS of holy spirit, rather than its immediate presence.
Jw, the Wt teaches that because the word "spirit" is neuter it cannot be a person. However this is a false rule of Greek. Here are some other "persons" who would become 'it's" if we followed the Wt grammar rules ......angels, demons, infants, children, girls, John the Baptist and more.
Good point. What does Jesus say of God? "God is a SPIRIT" and we must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. So the JWs want to have it both ways--once again--and call God "Father" yet claim a spirit is neuter. Which is it???
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humans are the measure of all things in life because they are, after all, a part of Creation...
God Bless you all...
charleylugo 4 months ago
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humans should try without ceasing to broaden and deepen their knowledge,
love, truth, logic, true freedom, genuine peace, harmony and wisdom, so that the spirit
may be perfected and lifted up into its true home, becoming one with Creation...
charleylugo 4 months ago
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it appears to people that there is a duality or trinity, then they are the victims of deception, for they do not think logically but according to human knowledge.
But if they think according to the knowledge of the spirit, they find the logic, which is also in the law.
Only human thinking can be incorrect, not the laws of Creation. For this reason, it is said that everything emanates from a unity...
charleylugo 4 months ago
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A person may believe that everything is two or three, but that is not so, because
everything is one
Whatever people believe to be two or three is actually one, so they should make
everything that is two or three into one
Since the spirit in a person is part of Creation, it is one with Creation consequently It is not two.
And since the body is a part of the spirit in a different form and matter, it is
therefore one with the spirit consequently it is not two.The teachings state that...
charleylugo 4 months ago
The Holy Spirit is Creation itself. it is not a person. Creation stands above humanity, above god and above everything.
It appears to be perfect by human comprehension. but this is not so.
Since Creation is spirit and thus lives, even it must forever perfect itself.
But since it is one within itself. it can perfect itself by way of it's own creations,
through the generation of new spirit forms that dwell within humans,
give them life, and evolve towards perfection through their learning...
charleylugo 4 months ago
Holy, Holy, Holy, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, which was, and is, and is to come. rev;4:8. Thank YOU KING JESUS. AMEN.
THEKINGMRMIGHTY 1 year ago
Is the Holy Spirit a person? I think the Holy Spirit is the Blood. Holy Spirit has been poor out for man-kind win you are born of the Spirit by the power of the "Holy Ghost" and "baptize with fire" not water... For water is for repentance
Darkfoster22 2 years ago
When you know a person, it is easier to believe He is a person. Jesus is is heaven at the right hand of the Father. It is quite technically the Spirit of Christ who we are acquainted with.
rhollusstar 2 years ago
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Look at that, people can also be IN the Holy Spirit the same way the Holy Spirit can be IN people.
Luke 10:21 In that very hour he became overjoyed in the holy spirit and said: I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes.
daliesfollies 2 years ago
Holy spirit is fantasy. Evidence is the key.
Philos2006 2 years ago
Logically you will say that has an atheist. You can only know him when you are in Christ.
1 Cor 2:14 -
Those who are unspiritual do not receive the gifts of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to them, and they are unable to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
MrKattt 2 years ago
MrKattt :---because they are spiritually discerned. --
Of course, of course, but we have REASON, and logic on our side.
Philos2006 2 years ago
Reason and logic are sometimes limited to our undestanding. And if we try to understand something that we don't believe and rejects than we will never be able to grasp it.
MrKattt 2 years ago
MrKattt--And if we try to understand something that we don't believe and rejects than we will never be able to grasp it--
Of course, of course, when you believe everything without understanding it`s very easy, isn`t it ?
Philos2006 2 years ago
Do you understand that if there is a God, he can communicate and reveal himself to people? And God only reveal himself to those who seek him. Once he reveals himself, you cannot deny it. I can only speak for myself. You would need to go through it, except you have to be willing.
MrKattt 2 years ago
Acts (28:25) It says that the Holy Spirit spoke yet it is repeating Isaiah (28:8-10) that says God was speaking. The Holy Spirit is a person Acts (13:2) While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT IS LYING TO GOD Acts (5:3,4) You have played false, not to men, but to God." THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD
2 Corinthians (3:17) Now Jehovah is the Spirit:
epidome 3 years ago
Is the holy spirit a person?
Is breath a person?
Is wind a person?
Can Mr. Katt wipe his own nose?
The answer to all of the above is a resounding......
NO.
JWinCT 3 years ago
As I answered you at the beginning of the comments, only the H.Sprit is personified in many books of the Bible. Whereas other things are not. The H.Spirit according to the Bible is a person.
MrKattt 3 years ago
P.S. JWs say that He cannot be a person and still indwell us, but God Himself is said to have filled the believers in Ephesus (Eph.3:19). And Christ is also said to fill all things (Eph. 1:23).
Simon61161 3 years ago
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Thanks and God bless.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Very good. Great background pic. Scripture shows the Holy Spirit to be equal to God, having all of the attributes of God, and doing things that ONLY God has the ability to do. The evidence points to the unmistakable conclusion that the Holy Spirit can be no other than God! He also uses personal pronouns for Himself, as in Acts 13: 2, and in Acts 5:3, 4, lying to Him is the same as lying to God.
Simon61161 3 years ago
MrKattt-WELL DONE!! Sorry I took so long 2 view this..I've been very busy.
I think you've covered all the verses applicable. What really drove it home 4 me when I first learned about the Holy Spirit was that he teaches, grieves for us, guides, speaks for us, AND can be lied to -attributes of a person only. The Bible refers 2 the H.S. as a WHO not a "what". Also, it is considered the sin that leads 2 death if u reject & lie 2 the H.S (obviously not personification). Acts 5:3, Hebrews 6:4-6.
laffy4christ 3 years ago
How does just merely quoting every time the Holy Spirit is mentioned personify it?
If the Holy Spirit is God's energy, then everything God does would use that energy. Therefore, if God speaks, then the Holy Spirit speaks, if God creates, then the Holy Spirit creates, etc.
One can be baptized in, filled with, receive, or be anointed with it, or it can be poured out. A person?
Greek (pneuma) and Hebrew (ruach), translated "spirit", mean "breath" or "wind", not always a personage, as you claim.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
I did not merely quote when the Spirit was mentioned, but when He is personified (big diff.).
If I speak through a mic and my voice is heard through a speaker; we cannot say that the speaker is speaking, same for the H-Spirit. He must be a person to speak.
The H-Spirit is a "spirit", so yes HE can fill, baptize in, be received/anointed with and poured: H'is not limited like flesh.
Acc. to the Strong's concordance, "ruach" & "pneuma" can mean much more than 2 things, please check it out.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isa 40:26
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Gen 1:1-2
God created, using "great power and mighty strength" called Holy Spirit.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
The comparison is not a very good one. It's not because God had "great power and mighty strength" that this is the Holy Spirit.
God has many other traits, can we say that all of his traits are the H-Spirit?
Check out the verses in the video, they all personify the H-Spirit, thus he is a person. If he is not, then what a great coincidence that all of these authors thought of personifying him. Why didn't they personify anything else to such an extent?
MrKattt 3 years ago
Jesus had no power to perform miracles until he received the Holy Spirit. God's power allowed him this ability. That's how God can take credit for creation in Gen and Jesus is given credit in John. Sure, Jesus did it, but he wouldn't have been able to do anything without God's power. (John 8:28, Prov ch 8, John 1:10)
Obviously, you're a trinitarian. The God of the Bible can't be killed by human hands, so you might want to consider what you're calling your "god". God never died and never will.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
Sigh, this will be long!
Jesus had no power because he hunbled himself (Phil 2:5-9). He was made like us in ALL manner (read why: Heb 2:17, Heb 4:15). This is why he had no power and (like us) he had to gain his power through intense prayer and fasting.
God can't die, but the flesh surely can. God NEVER did die. Only Jesus' body died (his sacrifice for us as a type of the sacrificial lamb in the O.T.) but not the spirit - God is spirit he did not die. My God is Almighty indeed!
MrKattt 3 years ago
Phil 2 refers clearly to 2 different people, God and Jesus. "equality with God", "God exalted him". This scripture points out the different attitude of Jesus, than Satan, who DID grasp at equality in Eden.
Clearly, Jesus was a man, just as the Bible indicates (1Cor 15:21). He didn't get power from fasting, but from his Father (John 8:28), or is Jesus lying about that, too?
Why must you complicate Jesus' relationship with God from a "son" - as the Bible says - to an equal? (2Cor 11:3-4)
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
Jesus being in the "form" of God means he was God, just as him becoming in the "form" of a servant means he BECAME a servant. Just as we see 2 persons in Phil 2 (which are one), we also see 2 persons in John 1 (which are one God) ... and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. 2 persons in ONE God.
Jesus was both God and man. We see the man Jesus in his life on earth, but the writters show that he was also God.
Of course it is from his Father he got his power, but if he had not ...
MrKattt 3 years ago
... been seeking the Father (prayer and fasting) he would not have received any power.
It is complicated to you, because you do not know the Father nor the Son. Clearly Jesus is God.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Your confusion is blasphemy! Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. He BECAME a servant because he's the Only Begotten Son. The only thing directly created by God, himself (Pro 8). Don't you understand a father/son relationship? Jesus was never referred to as the "conjoined twin" or "cousin".
Jesus was with "ho theos", THE God, and was "theos", the very nature of said God. "Form of" doesn't mean "is" (2Cor 4:4). God SENT his SON (John 17:3) and said son perfectly represented the Father (John 14:9-11).
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
Perhaps your problem is you're under the impression I'm saying Jesus didn't exist before his Earthly life (1Cor 15:47). He was the "firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15-17), "the beginning of his work" (Pro 8:22), "the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev 3:14).
Jesus is a created spirit person, later sent to Earth by God to live and die as a human, to pay Adam's debt (1Cor 15:21-22). Perfect human life for perfect human life. Jesus DID die and was rewarded for his faithfulness (1Cor 15:27).
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
"He BECAME a servant because he's the Only Begotten Son."
Jesus could not have "BECAME a servant" unless he was also God. Otherwise, he would have *always* been a servant.
fairwhether1 3 years ago
Have you ever even perused the Bible?
Jesus came to be a servant to HUMANS, not God (Mat 20:28).
"did not consider equality with God something to be grasped" (Phil 2:6) "God exalted him"(Phil 2:9) - your "proof" text proves separate persons.
Stop adhering to Church dogma and let the Bible teach you the truth. Just read the words that are in it and stop trying to force it to fit your false doctrine.
Jesus refers to himself over and over as God's SON. Why do you keep calling Jesus a liar?
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
"Stop adhering to Church dogma and let the Bible teach you the truth" or do you mean the Watchtower teach you the truth, not the Bible?
If Jesus becoming in the "form" of a servant means he WAS a servant, well him being in the "form" of God ALSO means that he WAS God.
Pr 8 doesn't say that Jesus was created, but it talkes of wisdom. BUT EVEN THEN, wisdom was NEVER created b/c this would mean that God was without wisdom in the beginning!
Proverbs 8 says: The Lord posessed me, not ...
MrKattt 3 years ago
...created me (v.22). Big difference!
Arius was the first one to interpret this as saying that Christ is a creature. The word or wisdom of God is NEVER said to be created.
Besides, Christ is the creator of all things (not all "other" things), he is not himself created.
Like I said, if God created wisdom at a point in time, it means that he was without wisdom at a point in time and this makes no sense.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Jesus was the first born means he was created?
In Psalm 89:20-27, David is called Firstborn, but he had 7 brothers older than him.
In Jeremiah 31:9, Ephraim is called firstborn, but Manasseh was the firstborn.
In Exodus 4:22, God calls Israel (Jacob) firstborn, but Isau (Edom) was firstborn
They are called firstborn in a sense of preeminence, not birth. Jesus has PREEMINENCE over all the creation of God!
Stop believing the Watchtower!
MrKattt 3 years ago
Jesus was both God and man.
Jesus is called God in the Bible. Check out these verses in a Christian Bible:
Isaiah 9:6 - Jeremiah 23:5, 6 - Zechariah 12:10 - Matthiew 1:23 - John 1:1 - John 8:58 - John 10:30, 33 - John 20:28, 29 - Romans 9:4, 5 - 2 Corinthians 5:19 - Colossians 2:9 - 1 Timothy 3:16 - Titus 2:13 - Hebrews 1:8, 9 - 2 Pet 1:1 - 1 John 5:20
MrKattt 3 years ago
Anyway, why are you avoiding the real subject here? This video is about the Holy Spirit not Jesus. If you desire to debate Jesus - God, please go on Shazoolo's videos or James3v6's
MrKattt 3 years ago
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
lol so God had no wisdom at some point in time?
MrKattt 3 years ago
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God - Just 3 verses later (John 20:31)
Rom 9:4,5 only implies Jesus is God in a few awkward translations. Most do not. Expand your horizons.
2Cor 5:19 only implies God is actually INSIDE Jesus in awkward translations. Expand your horizons.
Col 2:9 is saying the same thing as John 1:1. The awkward trinitarian translations make it sound like God is inside Jesus, but just like John 1:1 & John 14:9-11, it's saying Jesus is like God. Read John 17:21 to understand this.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
1Tim 3:16 is talking about Jesus, if you look in v 13. KJV is wrong to insert "God" in v 16.
Christ was revealed - NLT
Christ came - CEV
Christ came - NLV
Jesus appeared - NIRV
Others just say "he", referring back to the last person mentioned, Jesus.
Titus again agrees Jesus is a "mighty god". No argument from the Bible on that.
Heb 1:8-9 is obviously an awkward translation. Different versions use "your" and "his" in the same place. One recurring item, though, is "your God has anointed you".
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
2 Pet 1:1 just speaks of both God and Jesus, no implication that they are one and the same.
1Joh 5:18-20 is speaking mainly of God, so saying in 20 the "this" must be referring to Jesus is a stretch.
2Joh 7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. "This" is not Jesus, though he's immediately preceding.
The Bible is the "context". Read it all, not just "proof texts". Get a full understanding.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
Tit 2:13 & 2 Pet 1:1 r translated in 3 ways; either "our God & Saviour Jesus", "our God & our Saviour Jesus" or "our God & of our Saviour Jesus"
About 70% in my 102 v. (I compiled them by verse) understand it as saying Jesus is God (Even Moffat: 2 Pet1:1 & Goodspeed: both verses)
1 Jn 5:20 finishes with J-Christ. This is the true God, & eternal life
We both know that Jesus IS eternal life (Jn 5:26, Jn 11:25, Jn 14:6, so this verse in saying "the true God & etern life is speaking of Jesus!
MrKattt 3 years ago
I put 1 Tim 3:16 by mistake, I know it doesn't say God, sorry.
Heb 1:8 - 95%-98% of versions say "Your throne, oh God"
MrKattt 3 years ago
In my 102 version rom 9:5 says Jesus is God in 80% of versions. You should be honest.
2 Cor 5:19 Take a look at an INTERLINEAR. And sorry I don't blindly trust the Wt. Most versions say that "God was in Christ", thus God is OMNIPRESENT and Jesus!
Col 2:9 - Interlinears don't add "quality". ALL the godhead resides in Christ bodily. God is in Jesus=Jesus is God. "awkward trinitarian translations" ... 95% of version! You are very dishonest.
MrKattt 3 years ago
that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. (John 17:21)
If you want to believe God set up residence inside of Jesus, I can't stop you. You also must include Jesus' disciples in your "godhead", since they are to be "in us", too.
Most Bible versions are translated by trinitarians, so they do the same thing you do. They see what they want and interpret within trinitarian parameters.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
Chosing the versions that you like? When the great majority say what you don't like? You're good with research, why don't you do an honest one. I have 102 Bible versions and a very small amount, mostly from LIBERAL Bible scholars say very strange things.
God is also called "Mighty God" in Isaiah 10.
Jesus is called the "Alpha & Omega" in Rev 22:12-16.
MrKattt 3 years ago
My research is reading the ENTIRE Bible and making sure ALL scriptures are included in my understanding, not just some "proof texts". The Bible doesn't debate itself.
Jesus is a son, implying he's younger. "I was given birth" (Pro 8:29)
On the other hand, "from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (Psa 90:2)
All through the OT, God demands all honor go to himself. Jesus, all through the NT, directs honor to someone else. Both insist honor go to the Father.
These are not the same person.
WeaponGuy 3 years ago
"My research is reading the ENTIRE Bible and making sure ALL scriptures are included in my understanding, not just some "proof texts". The Bible doesn't debate itself."
lol, your research??? You mean the Wt's regurgitated nonsense.
I was given birth? Prov 8:29 doesn't say this and v. 30 says wisdom was brought with him. No births there. Again Jesus is NOT the literal wisdom of Proverbs and God was NEVER without wisdom.
MrKattt 3 years ago
"These are not the same person."
Heb 1:10-12:
He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. 12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end."
-->Ps 102:25-27 Jesus IS God and there are MANY other examples like this one.
Jesus was BOTH God AND man.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Again, you are avoiding the subject of the Holy Spirit.
Not only this, but you CANNOT deal with the Scriptures given in the video and the conclusion I bring up at the end, because the Watchtower has an other gospel.
MrKattt 3 years ago
I don't recall mentioning the Watchtower once. You're the one who has to keep invoking it, because you're setting up a straw man argument then using a common logical fallacy: Argumentum ad populum. All I've done is use scripture, from many different versions. I've read the Bible, cover to cover. Your understanding is flawed, but you're not interested in the truth; you're only interested in winning a debate. I really don't care if you're confused, but stop confusing other people.
Karaokephile 3 years ago
Heb 1:10-12 doesn't tell us anything we don't already know (John 1:3 & Prov 8:30). Using God's power of Holy Spirit, Jesus created everything, obviously, except for himself. If you demand that since Jesus created ALL things and you demand Jesus IS God, then you also demand your Jesus/God created himself. Sometimes the Bible assumes you have at least a room-temperature IQ and can understand simple concepts. Paul made allowance for people like you and spelled things out clearly in 1Cor 15:27.
Karaokephile 3 years ago
Sorry... wrong verses. Would you just READ THE CHAPTER? Stop scouring the internet looking for proof texts and READ THE BIBLE. If you'd allow God's word to guide you, rather than some bogus church tripe, you'd understand and I wouldn't have to take you by the hand.
And don't "lol". Are you 9? Grow up.
Prov 8:24-25: When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth (NIV)
Karaokephile 3 years ago
I see you have 2 names.
Confusing other people??? lol, you are a JW, so by default you believe everything they teach without checking anything for yourself, no confusion here.
YOU are very confusing; Jesus creating himself??? Jesus is NOT created, he is God: Eternal! No confusion here.
1 Cor 15:27, here I go again, explaning this. This is speaking (read the context) of when this system of things will be over. At that time we will have no more need for a mediator (which is what Jesus...
MrKattt 3 years ago
... is. Right now we have the Father who is the head, Jesus who is mediator during this system of things and the Holy Spirit which was sent when Jesus was taken up to heaven. After all is over God will be all in all (v.24, 28), and we will have direct access to the throne. At that time there will be ONE throne for both God and Jesus; Rev 22:1,3 (because God will have no need to manifest himself in 3 persons).
Tell me, why is there ONE throne for 2 (God and Jesus)?
MrKattt 3 years ago
"Stop scouring the internet looking for proof texts and READ THE BIBLE. If you'd allow God's word to guide you, rather than some bogus church tripe, you'd understand and I wouldn't have to take you by the hand.
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Tell me, please. If I read the Bible alone, will I see the Wt's doctrines in it? 1914, 1935, Holy Spirt = electr, Jesus created, no blood transf but I can take blood portions, great crowd stays on earth, Wt is God's org., 1919, Jesus = Michael, the stake, Jehovah not omnipres, etc..
MrKattt 3 years ago
I checked the meaning of the Hebrew word used for "I was given birth". It is in reality 2 different words at each place.
First: Could mean create or other.
7069 qanah kaw-naw' a primitive root; to erect, i.e. create; by extension, to procure, especially by purchase (causatively, sell); by implication to own:--attain, buy(-er), teach to keep cattle, get, provoke to jealousy, possess(-or), purchase, recover, redeem, X surely, X verily.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Second: 5258 nacak naw-sak' a primitive root; to pour out, especially a libation, or to cast (metal); by analogy, to anoint a king:--cover, melt, offer, (cause to) pour (out), set (up).
For the First (7069) the interlinear choses "possessed me" and for the second (5258), it choses "I was set up".
Again, there can be several meanings, the Wt will chose "create" wereas reason acknowledges that the wisdom of God is ETERNAL, so "possessed" and "set up" is a logical choice. Sorry!
MrKattt 3 years ago
mrkattt- great comments here!! i agree wholeheartedly! may GOD continue to use you in mighty ways! keep sharing the TRUE Gospel and Bible truth. Blessings!
laffy4christ 3 years ago
MrKattt` Awesome, loved ur explanation of 1 Cor. 15:27 and Rev. 22:1,3. YES, they share the throne at the end of this system. JW's don't know how to explain that one. I never get a response. But it's very clear, they are one bcuz in the Old Test. God says he will not share his glory with another (Isa. 42:8) and in the New test. Jesus says he's going back to the Father to "hhare the Glory we had before the world began." John 17:5 See Rev 5:12 where Jesus gets same glory as the Father. Thx!
laffy4christ 3 years ago
mrkattt - correction, i meant to quote John 17:5 as "share the glory we had before the world began." sorry, it's late. g'nite.
laffy4christ 3 years ago
i love this video because it speaks the truth the real truth not the watered down version of the gospel that jw teach..see even when they see this kind of stuff they still deny it because they are spiritually blinded by their organization they stick their heads up soo.. high they cant see the little things that show us who god really is thanx for this great video god bless u and ur works for the lord
mj4lyfe101 3 years ago
JWs act like the Bible is soooo complicated that you need a specialy called individual to explain it to others. All things that are evident are not suppose to be. And all the cult's complicated doctrines are supposed to be accepted as obvious.
Hey, if the Bible says 200 times that the Holy Spirit is a person, well, I guess I'll believe the Bible!
MrKattt 3 years ago
"..The bible as revealed by Jesus and enlightening power of the holy spirit.." (of Our Heavenly Father) ..
.. is exactly what JW's had promised to themselves when they took their baptism vows. (WT 1973 May 1 p.230)
Today you are not a true JW unless you pledge allegience to a "spirit-directed organization" WT 1985, June 1 p.30
humanityandhistory 3 years ago
Thank you for your comment and support.
MrKattt 3 years ago
"That's why relying on the Bible ALONE is wrong."
I love that response. I can just see Philip using a Watchtower to help the Ethiopian eunuch understand the Book of Isaiah...and then getting back to him when what he taught him changes.
luisap64 3 years ago
Well, by watching the video we can honestly see that the Holy Spirit is a person, not a thing! Let anyone who has eyes to see, see the truth!
But if you who watches are blinded by an organization from the devil, you cannot even see what is evident.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Most Christians I know talk about Jesus all the time when discussing their faith; He is, after all, at the heart of it.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago 2
Brothers and sisters, when we see this video and how well it is put together, giving us enough material for bible studies for the rest of the year; then we read comments that we do not like or are even offended by, we tend to be mean or have a gang up mentality. We as christians have to remember what the bible says about "deceiving spirits" and being deceived in these latter times (1Tim4v1;2Tim3v13) and not hold that against those who are being deceived. PEACE
james3v6 3 years ago
Thank you, james3. Yes, we know the world, especially christendom, is deceived, and rather than try to correct their own false teachings, they'd rather pick on the imperfect, human part of God's organization. It's very sad, really. I wish those that had any kind of hearts would allow Jehovah to "un-blind" their minds to see the truth. We can do what we can do in the service. The rest is up to Jehovah. He will find the sincere, honest-hearted ones out there WHO REALLY WANT THE TRUTH.
JWinCT 3 years ago
I'm not saying that to "pick on" or accuse anybody, but those who desire to exercise true insight as regards God and scriptural teachings will understand what I mean.
JWinCT 3 years ago
JW, I so dearly want to know the truth. The bible says that Jesus is the way and the truth.
The way you capitalized 'WHO REALLY WANT THE TRUTH' makes me think that you would teach me that I should want 'God's organization' more than God's Son. Disreguarding all doctrinal differences, could I live in paradise forever if I picked up the bible, read it, and only accepted Jesus as my Savior but didnt join any organization or church or group of believers?
james3v6 3 years ago 2
No. And I'll tell you why when I have more time. Have to go to (secular) work.
JWinCT 3 years ago
YES. "Whosoever believeth in Him" does not require joining an organization; though being a member of a local group of believers is important for Christians, it is not required for salvation. JW is incorrect.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago 2
You'll never be able to prove it scripturally. Sorry.
JWinCT 3 years ago
If JWCT was a TRue JW he/she would of pledged allegience to an organization, in the baptism vow that all true JW's take.
humanityandhistory 3 years ago
Bless you my dear sister. I know what it takes to be saved and I am an active member in a local congregation. I asked JWinCT that question earlier knowing full well what he would say; I just hope that some possible convert to the Watchtower organization will read what he said and the true Holy Spirit works in that one's heart to draw them to the true gospel and the real Jesus
(2Corinthians11v4).
james3v6 3 years ago
It is possible; some do manage to escape that snare of the enemy. I thought you knew the answer, but wanted to be sure, and to post it for those that read and do not. The opportunity to reach so many is before us; we cannot waste it! The fields are waiting for the sowers.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago
That's a valid point "james3v6" - as I read the Bible, that message shones through.
beardfreak1969 3 years ago
That should be "shines" - curses to my typos LOL !!!
beardfreak1969 3 years ago
When someone puts the prefix: 'true' before a Noun, it usually means there is a denial going on.
Happy = Happy
Truly Happy = Lying about being happy
humanityandhistory 3 years ago
Yea, I had made this study several years ago. Thought I would put it on video.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Cool vid mrkatt!
21crosscheck21 3 years ago
Thanks for your support against the false teachers.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Thank you for this video my brother I was so blessed. Its amazing that all the authors spoke in harmony; as you correctly said they may not have known each over but they definitely knew the one only wise God and they wrote by his spirit.
Amazing... let us forget the demonic rambling of the deceived and just eat of the pure Word og God
VANNOINTED1 3 years ago
Thanks. This is what happens when people are led of the Spirit of Truth, they are in harmony, like a perfectly tuned orchestra. A thourough study of the Bible brings in light to dispell the darkness of the false gospels out there.
"the demonic rambling of the deceived" lol
God bless my friend.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Oh yes, I definitely 'detect' the Holy Spirit because He talks to me. He is subtle, yes, glorifying the Father and the Son rather than Himself, just like Jesus: "Jesus replied, 'If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.'" (John 8:54)
Enoch2 3 years ago
"He" TALKS TO YOU?!?!?! You're actually hearing voices?!?!? BE CAREFUL. THIS IS A TACTIC OF NONE OTHER THAN SATAN THE DEVIL!!! He's got nearly 7 billion people believing what HE wants them to believe----Satanic teachings!!!
JWinCT 3 years ago
GOD IS ONE! In the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God the Spirit is God the Spirit! Equal in all aspects and characteristics. That is biblically clear! This is a VERY good study, my brother. I have made it a Favorite and will send it to my "Friends".
AbaloneKid 3 years ago
Indeed - One God in three Persons.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago 2
One last thing: People who don't understand what holy spirit is, when the bible talks about that it can be "grieved", cannot conceive what that really means. This is not a proof of a person, but that the one who grieves God's spirit is working in opposition to it, or is not yielding to the subtle influence of it. Peace.
JWinCT 3 years ago
It is very clear if we are not influenced by biased men and we examine all of these passages that the Holy Spirit IS a person. Is sin personified in many books? Is water and blood personified in many books? Or even wisdom? No. But the Holy Spirit just as Jesus and God and any other person, is personified. Conclusion; he is a person!
31 Books of the Bible personify him. This would be a strange coincidence if he was NOT a person, no?
MrKattt 3 years ago
Guess you didn't pay attention to what joerez8 or I taught you, huh? You remain the great unlearned, obstinately? Your choice. Remain in your ignorance if you like. Not I!! God's people know what holy spirit is. His active force, nothing more, nothing less.
JWinCT 3 years ago
Never heard of Joerez8. I'll look him up tomorrow, have to go to work.
You see, if someone relies on the Bible alone, he will see that the Holy Spirit is a person. But you are in a controling organization that tells you what to believe. In fact, if someone reads the Bible alone with no outside influences, he will never believe what JWs believe and will also see that Jesus is God.
Hope the hard yoke of the Wt will be broken from your neck by God. My yoke is easy.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Oh, I noticed that Joerez8 is the first one that left a comment.
MrKattt 3 years ago
Hey Joerez8 is not a JW! So why did you say: "Guess you didn't pay attention to what joerez8 or I taught you, huh?"???
MrKattt 3 years ago
Doesn't matter if he's a JW or not (on this issue). He recognizes the truth that holy spirit is God's active force. If you study the ancient Hebrew and Greek terms, as I have, in line with the rest of the Bible, you'll get just a tiny glimpse of what real accurate knowledge of God's word is!!
JWinCT 3 years ago
"Doesn't matter if he's a JW or not (on this issue)."
Hey JW :) Why doesn't it matter on this issue? Are there other issues it doesn't matter on? If so, what?
fairwhether1 3 years ago
That's why relying on the Bible ALONE is wrong. The Ethiopian eunuch was trying to rely on his own understanding of the Bible alone, and was not able to come to accurate knowledge of God's word. That's why Philip was needed, to CORRECTLY expound to him the whole truth of God's word. If 500 people read "the Bible alone", and you asked them what they read, you'd get 500 DIFFERENT responses!! That's why Jesus promised the faithful slave to help keep his disciples in progressive accurate knowledge.
JWinCT 3 years ago
JWinCT: Troughout the inquisition, millions of christians died because they did not want someone tell them what the Bible meant other than God Himself. Sola Scriptura was the shout that echoed in the night when the fires burned. The Bible is the only truth we got. It reaveals to us who Jesus Christ is, He is the one the Bible is all about. You can find the truth if you seek it, from the Bible alone with the aid of the Holy Spirit. You do not need a manmade organisation.
Mekelsior 3 years ago
Right.....I guess we should all trust the Watchtower, that changes its mind every few years, over the unchanged perfect Word of God, huh? I think I'll pass.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago 2
That's not true. The only reason some translations use the terms "he" and "him" is because of rules of Greek grammar, which Crosscheck seems to know very little of. It's very simple, if you put yourself in line with God's people, His channel of truth. The WT, Awake, and other pubs. are NOT inspired, only the Bible is----HOWEVER....you'll get more accurate understanding out of using both than just the bible alone. Why is that? Joe Average doesn't have a clue what he's reading!! We need the Truth.
JWinCT 3 years ago
Here's the problem, pure and simple: Jehovah has blessed one group, and one group alone (like the ancient Israelites and like the 1st-century Christians) with a means of how to understand and apply His word. In Moses' time, spiritually strong men led the congregation by means of holy spirit. Philip and others in the 1st century led the congregation to correct understanding BY MEANS OF HOLY SPIRIT. And the ONE modern day group of true worshipers are doing the same for all of God's people today.
JWinCT 3 years ago
The problem is: Those on the outside who fail to humble themselves and submit to Jehovah's will and serve him alone with His faithful Witnesses will never-------NEVER!!!! have correct understanding of God's will and Word!!! That's the problem in a nutshell RIGHT THERE!! And it's a serious one. 500 sincere people, reading the bible on their own, STILL come up with 500 different understandings of what they've read---just like the eunuch before he met Philip. We are the modern-day Philip, that's it
JWinCT 3 years ago
Jw....did the eunuch join the WTBTS or any other org... perhaps you could provide the verse that says he did.
21crosscheck21 3 years ago
He became a true Christian, part of the (then) worldwide body of true worshipers, joined together in one group. Jehovah is a God of order, and he doesn't allow millions of little factions, each with its own ideas to attain to accurate knowledge. Only those humble enough to COME TO HIM.
JWinCT 3 years ago
JW said "He became a true Christian, part of the (then) worldwide body of true worshipers, joined together in one group. " Can you provide a verse to support this?
21crosscheck21 3 years ago
Jw... the reason no one understands the bible like jws without the help of the WT is because jw doctrine is so unbiblical it is impossible to come up with these ideas from reading scripture alone.
21crosscheck21 3 years ago 2
See? There ya go. You have failed to come to the mountain of Jehovah, and go off with the rest of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, into gross error and sin. Well, your funeral. Do what you want. You're going to anyway. You're anything BUT humble. God can't use you in this present state of yours.
JWinCT 3 years ago
Jw, if only you would glorify Jesus the way you Glorify the WT. The Wt is not the way, the truth or the life, Jesus is. You follow men, I follow the Christ.
As far as me being a sinner, that I am, one of the worst......but I am washed clean by the blood of Christ so that he may receive the glory for saving a wretch like me.
21crosscheck21 3 years ago 2
JWinCT: Brother, can you answer me why the JW had so many strange teachings back when you claim Jesus Christ chose JW for their truth? Why have the truth that was accepted as truth then, also by Jesus obviously, been changed? Why have the witnesses now again changed the doctrine of the last generation back to what it was in 1927? Why did pastor Russel, Rutherford and Knorr worship Jesus Christ?
We are never to study the Bible on our own, we are always to pray for the Holy Spirit.
Mekelsior 3 years ago
I've given satisfying answers to these questions on other video's comments, so, look for those; I won't be commenting to the questions of someone who only wants to ridicule. This too is prophesied.
JWinCT 3 years ago
"This too is prophesied"
That's exactly what cult members are programmed say to themselves after they had been programmed with an irrational beliefs, it's triggered when someome points this out to them. Elders instruct cult members to 'knock on more doors' whenever a 'sheep' gets doubts or negative thinking about being in the cult. Thus they actively seek persecution to reinforce their delusion. This is how watchtower sheep are programmed to respond. Sorry but it's true.
humanityandhistory 3 years ago
Jw, it would appear that the WT knows less about Greek than I do. I can prove that a neuter is used of a person in Greek. Once again the spirit that is directing you and the org has lied to you.
21crosscheck21 3 years ago
Nonsense. You cannot grieve a force, only a person. The Holy Spirit is spoken of as ONE that comforts us and speaks for us. Of course, since jehovah's witnesses don't even believe in the deity of Jesus, I would not expect the Spirit to get any more respect.
LadyGreenEyes964 3 years ago
the JWs are right on this one folks! the HS is the force of God not a person.
joerez8 3 years ago
You're right. Unfortunately the world has no concept of what God's holy spirit really is. It emanates from Him personally!! It affects anyone upon whom it rests. It's not like a blow to the head, but rather a very subtle breeze: ANOTHER term used in Scripture to describe holy spirit!! I have to do a little research, but I believe that every time, or nearly every, that holy spirit "seems" to be talked about as a person, the verbs used with it are always neutral---which shows it can't be a person.
JWinCT 3 years ago
The holy spirit works so very subtly, almost unnoticeably, and yet after it's accomplished its purpose, it leaves no doubt that the work it has done is from Jehovah God Himself!! One usually detects the RESULTS of holy spirit, rather than its immediate presence.
JWinCT 3 years ago
Jw, the Wt teaches that because the word "spirit" is neuter it cannot be a person. However this is a false rule of Greek. Here are some other "persons" who would become 'it's" if we followed the Wt grammar rules ......angels, demons, infants, children, girls, John the Baptist and more.
21crosscheck21 3 years ago 2
Good point. What does Jesus say of God? "God is a SPIRIT" and we must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. So the JWs want to have it both ways--once again--and call God "Father" yet claim a spirit is neuter. Which is it???
Simon61161 3 years ago