@danijelramljak What!? So you know someone who went through school with a brain cortex of a fetus?haha I seriously doubt that.What I said was A PERSON has a"developed brain cortex,and is aware of it's environment and itself." I think your school friends meet those requirements to be a person,don't you? and I really dont think a fetus can make it's way through school. do you?
SO sorry people you know not comparable to a fetus. A fetus is a potential person, the woman is not so she comes first.
A person is an organism that is self-aware, it has even developed brain cortex, and is aware of it's environment and itself. Because a fetus does not fulfill these requirements, it is NOT a person!. abs because it's not a person, it's not murder, which is defined as: the unlawful killing of one human by another.
SO I know people who are not self-aware and not aware of environment. Does this make them organic waste? Some of them finished schools. But still not fulfilling your requests for being person.
So if it is nothing, when it is not person, why make aboriton? Why not leaving it there?
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tell me how many people women must die becuse they cant save them selves and the argument agenst abortions is like saying using a condom is murder becuse its killing the baby you could of had as well as the deseses you could of had and what if the mother will die to have this baby is that your call to make or hers
are you really using that as an argument? How is using a condom killing something that was never created? When you abort a child, a human being has already manifested, it has already been created and is GROWING. Abort means to stop something that is existing. Using a condom prevents something that never was.
@Vakdra a condom is killing cells cells that are alive cells that could become baby's if they when into an egg so as long as a baby dose not get inside its mothers overy its fine to let it die. and tell me when dose the sperm cell magical turn into a human??? that right when the women water breaks not when its growing inside an egg
are you serious??? condoms kills cells?? ha. Condoms block the sperm from reaching the egg. No cells are "killed" in this process. A sperm's cell is still "alive" whether it fertilizes an egg or not. Otherwise men are killing their cells everyday when they masturbate.
@Vakdra dud cell can only live after 48 hrs unless you try and soop up all the cells and try and put them into an egg you are still killing children and if you do make abortions ileagle this would be incredibly bad for society becuse people will still have abortioons but they will be much more dangerous for society povaty will rise mured will increase pedafelia would be arise this would all come from not being able to not have a child once you are fertalised
This is not about making abortion illegal. I;m not even advocating for that per se. I'm advocating for mothers to make the choice to not kill their unborn children. simple.
@Honyi1 First, abortion is (unfortunately) legal. I do not see that there is LESS poverty, murders or pedophilia because of that. Second, theft, murder, drug abuse etc. are also illegal and, yes, people still do it. Should they be legalised? Do you really believe there would be less of these crimes if they were legal?
@HowardSternn Unborn children can feel pain at 16 weeks. Even if they can't feel pain, does that mean that it's okay to kill somebody if they can't feel pain?
You are free to murder anyone you wish. Sure, you'll face the consequences for it (imprisonment, possible execution, ect. ect.). Just like women who choose to terminate their fetuses. They have to live with that conscious decision. Some care a lot, some not at all. It is not your place to decide.
@randomenesslover No you are absolutely NOT free to murder whoever you want. How would you feel if somebody in your family got murdered, and the murderer told you "I can kill whoever I want to as long as I face the consequences, and it's not your place to decide whether I can kill or not."?
@smstewopinion1 I understand your viewpoint, but that doesn't change my mind. You can kill whomever you like, but you will most likely go to jail. Abortion is the same thing, only the consequences are different. You face more social and psychological consequences with abortion than you do murder. Furthermore, no one can decide whether/who you kill. It's how you like your life. You just have to take responsibility for your crimes and deal the repercussions of your decisions. :)
JACKING OFF AND WASTING SEMEN IS MURDER, LOOK AT ALL THOSE PERFECTLY GOOD BABIES YOU'RE WASTING THERE. Oh well, now we have a bunch of delicious stem cells we can use to actually help society, instead of having another dumpster baby brought into the world.
The fetus, embryo what ever life cycle you want to end is still a human being endowed with all it's inalienable rights. Tell me by your personal opinions from which your standards arrive from when does a embryo stop being an embryo and becomes a human being who has the right to live?
See with me it's pretty simple.. the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg human life has begun and to stop it from growing by killing it is murder. No debate, no rationalizing, it's sacred.
This is sick! I used to believe in a womans right to choose then I heard a talk by none other then Christopher Hitchens brother Peter, God bless him. This is what he said that opened my eyes and this is out of quote
Murderes dehumanize their victims "oh he isn't human he is a black, jew, etc". We do the same in the womb, "oh it isn't human it's just a fetus". That struck me like a bolt of lightning! I've been using the same excuse, strip away it's humanity THEN KILL IT! God forgive me
Why is it when a woman that is carrying a baby and she is in an automobile crash and she and the baby dies. Why then is the person in the other car charged with two counts of vehicular homicide if abortion is not killing?
you say that a baby has a right to live, but the mother does not have the right to do what she wants with her life. she does not have the right to have a better life that she would have had without an unwanted baby. i agree that if you dont want a kid, use protection, but what about rape? what defines us as a person"being genetically human or being born and having emotions and memories. wouldnt it be better for the baby no to have to grow up in such a crappy, unloving , overpopulated enironment?
@deparinge If a woman is rapped she should go straight to the police and also the hospital and be cleaned out. That way no chance of becoming pregnant. If someone causes an accident where there is a woman that is pregnant and the woman dies or the baby dies that she is carrying then the person that causes the death is charged with vehicular homicide. Is that not the same. The baby dies in both cases.
@deparinge Excuse me but since when is a womans convenience and love for more money more important then a human life growing inside a womb? Also a better life? By what standards by the standards of material wealth? Maybe the better life is raising a new life, nurturing, guiding it to be it's mother, gaurdian to fall in love with the child then look back and CRY OUT OF SHAME, GUILT!!! for ever even thinking of murdering your child in your womb and never knowing his smile, his love, his legacy!!!!
@Theism411 more often then not, women who get abortions dont "cry out in shame" they are relieved that they didnt ruin their life or the life of what could have been their child and have learned from their mistakes and will wait to have a child untill they're ready. there is a difference between "murdering a child" and aborting a fetus. there is a difference between a person and a fetus, they are both humans but there is a difference. I would explain more but I have run out of room.
@deparinge So that's what it means to be human. It's ok for me to end a human life as long as I can't see it and it can't defend itself all because I want convenience. A fetus is merely a name for a human being in a early growth cycle. It's a human being growing up, maturing inside the womb IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT DAMN NAME YOU GIVE IT, IT'S HUMAN!
A newborn is just as intelligent and selfaware as a fetus, why don't we take an axe chop it into pieces and throw it in the garbage?
@Theism411, you are overexaggerating things because your point is weak. I'm not talking about fully-formed fetuses here: I'm talking about the first two trimesters where its brain isnt fully formed. Is something a human being when it is only a zygote or is it a human being when it has thoughts, emotions, and memories? A fetus isnt a name for a human"BEING" but a name for a pre-mature, not fully-formed human embryo. In no way is abortion fimilar to chopping up a baby with an axe and you know that
@Theism411 I have never heard of an early term fetus being as intelligent and self-aware as a newborn child...
Do you know why I've never heard such a thing, because it's in no way true. The whole point of being inside the mother during the development is so the organs can develop, mental abilities are saved for after birth.
Without abortion women would be trying in any way possible to have a mis-carriage, or would simply dspose of the newborn after having it...
@Toastyfire45 It's self-evident a newborn is as intelligent and self-aware as a fetus. They're both equally mentally capable of performing same intelligent functions which are none that I know of. Besides what are you saying that humans with lesser intelligence are not humans and don't deserve to live? Not even 1 year olds are self aware so how can you say a newborn is more self-aware then a fetuse both their self-awareness is at zero.
@Theism411 No, an early term fetus is developing brain tissue, no real mental capabilities are being developed. I'm sorry to say, one year olds do have a simple self-awareness, that's how they are able to determine their parents and their siblings. You can not compare the rapid mental development of an infant to a fetus who is still developing organs, which is the primary function of being a fetus.
Yes i said humans don't deserve to live, that's a fallacy to take my speech out of context, stop.
@Toastyfire45 Baby ducks can determine their mother in 1 day simply by smell, it has nothing to do with intelligence. Also how intelligent does a human being have to be inorder to have the right to live?
I think every human being has the right to life it even says so in our constitution. If you're an athiest then that may explain why you think humans have no right to life.
@Theism411 Okay, infants are easily able to determine their mother due to the development of hearing in the womb and they recognize their voice. That doesn't refer to the other family members in which scientists have seen that infants of 8 months can determine their closest family members.
What a petty thing to say, because i'm an atheist that explains it. I don't want to go into how completely stupid that comment was. You want to deny women a civil right to choose to do with THEIR body.
@Toastyfire45 What does intelligence have to do with a humans right to live? Dogs aren't self-aware does that mean they deserve to die?
You said human beings don't have the right to life and if I was an atheist I would agree with you. I'm a Christian and I believe every life is sacred because it is ordained by God and we are his children, I don't have the right to kill my brothers and sisters we are all one family under God.
@Theism411 Where do you get your information, i would love to see if these sudies are funded by any of the 4000 pro-life pregnancy clinics, compared to the 800 or so abortion clinics in which 4 or 5 are shut down every year due to threats, assault or murder. some pro-lifers are so pro-life they would take life to defend life.
Now does that not seem like an obscenely stupid justification for murder?
@Toastyfire45 My information is common knowledge, pick up a book and read. I don't support murder of any kind, killing abortionists is not the way to solve the problem.
@Theism411 Actually its not common knowledge, Early developmental psychology isn't a very well known subject among the general public. Again the intellectual development of an infant is absolutely extraordinary, no fetus of an type of animal has time to develop metal capabilities in the womb because its a race to develop fully in order to survive. Evolution is wonderful.
@Theism411 AGAIN a human is only a human with some sort of intelligence, meaning personality and conciousness, THIS is common knowledge.
No thaat was no what I said, and it is still rather petty of you to bring my non-belief into something such as this.
Do you feel the same way about the execution of your so called brothers and sisters? It's absolutely pathetic to have someone from a religion built on violence preach to me about life, quite disgusting.
@Theism411 Listen, an early term fetus (the most commonly aborted) has no mental development only physical development. As of this time they are technically unrecognizable compared to any other type of mammal fetus, it's only when that mental development starts and noticable mental activity begins to take place is a human actually come into being. Infants have minds and personality, fetuses don't, therefore, at the time, they aren't human...
@Toastyfire45 What does intelligence have to do with a humans right to live? Dogs aren't self-aware does that mean they deserve to die too?
You're repeating the same argument about intelligence but me let add this about your womans right to chose. A woman has no right to end the life of her unborn child. The child she carries is not of her body but inside her body, it's also the child of the father it shares his DNA.
@Theism411 What if that fetus is dying inside the mother's womb and is also threatening to kill the mother or what if the child is the product of rape or incest and mother is threatening suicide?
This isn't as black and white as you see it, there are many variables a for the situation and reasons why a woman would need an abortion, before medical abortion for instance, self induced mis-carriages were rather high considering the God fearing time period...
@Chamborant Wow where did you get that statistic? Fetal problems combined with problems for the mother makes up 25% of all abortion cases. Even if your statistics were true, so what? Fuck those women who have health problems, who were raped, who don't feel they can take care of their child, who have too many children, and who are way to young to have a child?
Ya who gives a shit about those women, what an asshole...
We resent that the value of a woman is determined by whether some man wants us, yet we declare that the value of an unborn child is determined by whether someone wants him. We resent that as women we have been 'owned' by our husbands, yet insist that the unborn are 'owned' by us. We believe that a man's right to do what he pleases with his own body cannot include the right to sexually exploit women, yet proclaim a our similar right means we can kill our unborn child
BOTTOM LINE: Murder is killing against the law. Abortion is legal so it is NOT murder. You may WISH it WERE murder, but it is not. Plain and simple. To call it this just shows ignorance.
@SillyNeNe There is little that is physically different or cognitively different,&the child remains dependent on the mother’s care for survival. The location of the child has changed,but why should that matter?It’s not as if the child becomes something else entirely simply because it has moved from one place to another. Where’s the magic?
You cannot argue that your right to life is made null and void because of your location. Are you any different a person if you’re in one country over another? You’re still you, right? That you are you as an unborn child inside the womb of your mother no more cancels out your human beingness than a car ceases to be a car when it leaves the garage.
Talking of rights doesn’t even come into the picture and nor should it. Society expects mothers to care for their offspring – there is an obligation that they do so.
Medical practitioners cannot knowingly provide a pregnant mother a drug that will cause the deformation of her unborn child, even if the use of that drug will be a great convenience to the mother (i.e. ease her morning sickness).
The question is why this is the case.The answer is that the unborn are human beings&are deserving of our nurturing&protection.This is not to say that pregnant mothers aren’t to be cared for-they are&they are to be supported in instances where the pregnancy is burdensome&unexpected..
Moreover,it is to say that where innocent life hangs in the balance,there is a greater obligation (not charity,nor an act of goodwill,but obligation!) to forego one’s own “right” to privacy&bodily autonomy for the sake of the most defenseless in our society.Our children.At the end of the day, a pro-choicer must aptly put forward sound reasons for stating why an unborn human being has no right to life and that its mother has every right to terminate its life for any reason she so desires.
He must further demonstrate why it is okay to kill a perfectly innocent human.These, to me,sound like very unpalatable&overly problematic positions to defend as I’m sure many of you will agree&on which I believe prodeathers fault.Interestingly,if prodeathers believe that the mother is responsible for the child after it’s born because she chose to birth the child,I wonder why she believes the mother has no responsibility to the child when she engaged in the sexual activity that created him?
Surely,if no child was desired,she ought to have refrained from such activity?Seems perfectly logical to me. BTW, how in the world does the mother cause that (baby) part of her body to move?? That is some control huh?
@excelmaster7 so sad...too bad...abortion is legal! THANK GOD! Thank the Lord that women still have control over their own bodies and crazy people like you cannot dictate what we should or shouldn't do with regards to own reproductive rights. AMEN!
@SillyNeNe Here you make two stupidities: The first one is to think that laws are static and society can not change'em. In some countries it is legal to whip adulterous women. But sooner or later society will change that legislation. Same will happen with unpunished fetal murder.
The second stupidity you make, is to talk about god and religion. That's not scientific.
@SillyNeNe In effect,the bodily autonomy argument declares that,in certain situations,it is morally permissible to terminate the life of an innocent human being.(Am I the only one to whom that sounds crazy?Name any other situation in which we would deem it ok to kill an innocent human?)Never mind the fact that what is created at conception is,as a statement of scientific&medical fact,a distinct human being
Peace! The child has a right to life. Neither the father nor the mother have the right to take the life of the child, whether a boy or a girl, by killing it or burying it alive. Allah says :
" And do not kill your children out of fear of poverty; We shall provide for them and for you. Truly, the killing of them is a great sin." (Quran ,17:31)
how about the one that dont have any choise to aborsion that baby?==a if she still geting birth the baby both of them will die? how about that condition?
@SillyNeNe My real world does not consist of having sex, helping to create a new living human being, then hiring a hit man to forcibly enter my uterus with the cold hard insturment of the trade, to dismember my baby. Then dump the contents into a steel colander,got to make sure all the tiny arms,legs etc. are out, and incenerate the baby. That is reality in the REAL world, as you say! Get your tubes tied or a vasectomy, don't create a life just to legally murder him/her.
@angelshoulders Sensationalizing and fabricating. is there a class for that at PLU? S&F101? lmao The vast majority of abortions done on first trimester EMBRYOS. There is nothing to dismember! Tiny arms and legs? Try BUDS. I have had a miscarriage at 13 weeks...it was NOT a baby. TRUST me on this.
"Get your tubes tied or a vasec"...REALLY??! CONTROLLING again? WHY should I or my husband have surgery to suit YOUR beliefs? LMFAO!
@angelshoulders OOOHHH>>and BTW...I wanted my tubes tied during my last c-section. Once again...41, already had 4 children...and guess what?! I COULDN'T. My uterus was right there on the table. WHY you ask??!! Because I was in a Catholic Hospital. See idiots want it BOTH ways...no birth control but no unwanted pregnancy. RIDICULOUS! So THAT is why my tubes aren't tied and I am NOT going under the knife again FOR YOU. IDIOTIC of you to ask it. (or demand it.)
your only looking at one side of the argument by making this video.
1.yes abortion is wrong, it should be used as a form of birth control or used to get out of the consequeces of getting pregnant.
2. however there are "rare" cases where abortion is acceptable. what about insest and rape victims, they should have a right to choose because it was not their choice.
3. what if the unborn baby has a Disease which is killing the baby and the mother?
I don't agree with you at all. Who are you to decide what is right or wrong for a woman? There are many who would say that raped or not, it still isn't the unborn's fault. If the woman doesn't want the baby, she should give it up for adoption.
FREEDOM isn't FREE if you start judging and putting restrictions on it.
Regardless of HER reasons, it is still HER right to make the choice for her own body.
1. sorry typo it "shouldnt" be used as a form of birth control.
2. ya, the woman didnt get to make the choice to have sex, so why should she get a choice on birthing a baby she didnt want.
3. i never said it wasnt her choice, im just saying she should have the "opinion" of aborting in the cases of rape, incest, or serious medical problems. its still her choice if she uses the opinions given to her.
For the record, I am PRO-CHOICE so I agree with you...sort of. My point is that why should it end there? YOU think it is okay for certain reasons but who has that right to judge & decide? It's ether legal or it isn't. You have to take the good with the bad. Whether it is forced sex or consentual, if the end result is IDENTICAL (unwanted pregnancy) then BOTH women should have the RIGHT to CHOOSE what is right for HER - without your beliefs (or judgement) as a consideration.
1. only god deals in absolutes. if a man kills another man (in any circumstance)is it a crime?
2. if a woman has sex she is giving in to the possibility (how ever slight) of having a child. in consentual sex there is no such thing as an accidental preganacy.
1.WRONG. GOD has NO PLACE in this argument. Because there are those who do not believe in your God or my God or any God. That is a belief NOT a fact. Each man must live his/her life based on one's OWN beliefs not that of another and he/she will meet his/her maker some day to answer. (or not...)
2. WRONG. If I use birth control and it fails, I DID NOT WANT A BABY. Again, to believe sex is only used in cases of procreation is a BELIEF. Grow up, okay?
@AceofDimonds0 "when they can just get an abortion to not deal with the bad choices..." You act like the woman has no sorrow or regret. LIke choosing to have an abortion is something they take lightly. Do you even know anyone who has had one?
"you made your bed now lie in it"... so in other words, take responsibility! Who says I don't believe that, too? Getting an abortion IS being responsible and ONE option for a fix. Just because you dont' like it, doesn't make it less of one.
@SillyNeNe Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.There’s no addressing the morality of the issue of abortion–supposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mother’s right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,we’re talking about rights–&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
@SillyNeNe Our founding fathers,in the charter of this republic spoke clearly,stating"we hold these truths to be self evident,that all men are created equal & that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights-of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness."
But this is not a religious issue,it is primarily a human rights issue,a civil rights issue, &our nation & other western nations, make laws to protect civil and human rights."
@angelshoulders I could NOT agree with you MORE! This is a human rights issue for humans who are BORN & living within our society thus governed by our laws. A fetus' rights cannot supercede a woman's. If you are dying and need MY BLOOD...something that will not hurt me to give you... NO GOVERNMENT or MAN can FORCE me to give it to you. Period. You cannot take my rights AWAY to give them to the fetus. THAT goes against the civil rights you are distorting to TRY and prove your cause.
@SillyNeNe A mother's rights you mean. Have you thought about how many women are maimed,even killed through LEGAL & SAFE abortions.How many young women are sterile or suicidal after abortions? That was their 'choice'. I stand up for the life of the mother & baby.I do not want the young woman to undergo hysterectomy after the abortionist perforates her uterus,or bowel repair after he pulls her bowel out of her vagina.
@angelshoulders YOU.ARE.DESPERATE.AND.HIT.A.NEW.LOW. PRETENDING to care about the woman's 'rights"? LMAO! c'mon. Have you thought about how many women DIED and were sterile after botched illegal abortions? How many women are suicidal when forced into an abusive relationship with the man who raped them and forced to carry their baby? (Because a GIRL under 18 is most certainly RAPED! Consent my ass!) These women are told of the risks and still CHOOSE (there's that word) to have one.
@angelshoulders I wonder...being so concerned with the woman's rights and how they can be harmed during the procedure... do you champion them against ALL elective surgeries then? Are you on plastic surgeon sites ranting away at how these women can be maimed and even killed? LOL Nah... so why pretend that is even an issue or concer of yours. As nonsensical as it is.
@Sueezee1 It's all they can do, Suez. oh no...their true answer...don't have sex! lmao Ya...doesn't that happen in marriages enough?? If I AM RESPONSIBLE and use birth control and it FAILS, I then have options. NO ONE else should decide what that option should be for MY body, but ME!
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed.You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body.
@angelshoulders Well if you would stop TRYING to sound smart and use English, I might be able to understand what you are saying. But I THINK you are trying to say that I presume there is a person's right to be in charge of their own body? And that no one can violate or use their body. I would say I do believe this and if I am wrong, then I think I need to leave this country. Am I wrong? The government has the right to tell you what to do with or to your own body??
@SillyNeNe "Choice" is a misnomer.Choice is only relevant within the context it is used.So called pro choice group ARE pro abortion.Is it a rapists right to choose to rape or a killers to murder.Of course not.So how is it a womans choice to have her baby mutilated&killed? Pro Choice just assumed if a child is born into less than perfect circumstances they are better off not being born.There plenty of people in prison who would like to murder you and me.Should we let them out?
@angelshoulders OF COURSE it is a rapists CHOICE to rape. No one forced them to do it. In no way is this word - even in that case - a misnomer. Nice try. You are completely WRONG to say that because someone is pro-choice they are pro-abortion. In a perfect world, if "I" were in control, I would love nothing more than to see abortions illegal and extinct. But I don't control people, or their beliefs, or their bodies. Once again...you compare apples and oranges. You really must like fruit
@SillyNeNe Who are you to decide who lives and dies? Who are you to decide whether the baby ,you yourself, helped to create,has the right to live once you gave the child the life? FREEDOM isn't FREE if you start judging & putting restrictions on child pornography or pediphilia either!?! If the mother did not want the baby,she should never have helped to create him/her!! Regardless of HER reasons, abortion is still legal murder. Killing!
@angelshoulders WHO ARE YOU to decide what I can do with my body? What beliefs I should have?
See here is where you twist words and make no sense. "I" am not trying to control or decide anything. "I" believe in each woman to make that CHOICE for herself. YOU are deciding ...YOU are controlling... YOU take a woman's freedom away for YOUR beliefs and YOUR ideals. So WHO ARE YOU to DECIDE this??
@SillyNeNe Who are you to decide what living unborn child should live or die? Unless you have 4 eyes,4ears,2hearts& penis in the case the baby is a boy, this newly created life is NOT YOUR BODY!! You are controlling in your support of killing millions of living human beings. Where is your humanity? Where are your morals, standards etc. You don't have to be Christian to know abortion is wrong!
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
@angelshoulders WHY? Because one is actually living and breathing outside of the womb, thus governed by our laws. The other is incapable of sustaining life outside of the womb, has not been born yet and so has no rights. BUT even if the fetus did have rights, you have take away the woman's rights to give them to the fetus. No one is saying the woman HAS to do anything to her own body in order for her 2yr old to live. You compare apples and oranges. Not the same scenerio.
@excelmaster7 Nice belief...but not legal or true. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. Tell me, if an EMT gets to the scene of an accident and can save a child but only if he kills the adult in the way first, he would kill the adult? There isn't enough time to save both. AND if it comes down to saving a woman or her unborn child, a doctor/EMT/medical person will save the woman EVERY TIME! UNLESS the woman is able to speak for herself and CHOOSES to save the unborn's life. There's that word again.
@angelshoulders FURTHERMORE... you speak in such absolutes. (Typical of bible thumpers.) So if the woman did not try to create a baby, it is THEN okay to abort it? REGARDLESS of YOUR reasons you have NO RIGHT to dictate what another should believe. You JUDGE and DECIDE for them. I am 42 and have 4 kids. I use birth control and *gasp* am still intimate with my husband. I use birth contr. because I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE KIDS. If it fails, I HAVE THE CHOICE to discard the unwanted pregnancy
Because of the NATURE OF the mother’s"SAY“, the unborn loses his/herLIFE!The right we are campaigning to remove from its mother is much less fundamental than her right to life.Most of us don't have a problem with abortion when her life actually is in danger.When an independent doctor who has no financial stake in whether or not that abortion is performed can clearly state in his/her expert medical opinion that the mother would likely not survive if she had to carry the pregnancy to term.
@angelshoulders BUT you are putting the mother's life before the fetuses then. WHY? Why not leave it up to God. Is it the fetuses fault the mother might die? Did the fetus ask to be put there? It's either morally wrong or it isn't. You start making exceptions...and JUDGING...what a concept.
@SillyNeNe The typical response is,“Because it’s inside the mother’s body!”What’s a poor unborn child to do?Inside the womb it is at the mercy of its mother;outside of the womb, it is protected by law,even from its mother.How strange.And how inconsistent!Totally
Unsatisfactory&is nothing more than an attempt to avoid the reality of what abortion does:kills a defenseless child.What of a mother who want to kill her 2yr.old crippled child.
@angelshoulders You compare apples and oranges. And THAt is a typical response of your kind. If it is an unborn child as you say, then I say - let it be born. Pull it out and let it live. The difference is that in order for it to sustain life, it must be in the womb of the woman carrying it. So once again the fetus' rights over the woman's. A 2-yr-old child can be cared for by ANYONE. The mother only need give it up for adoption. But of course you know this and choose to be ignorant.
@SillyNeNe Who are you to decide what is right or wrong for the new life you helped to create. The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances, you had all the choice in that! Who put the baby in your womb?Did the baby hijack your body,forcibly entering your womb?How did the baby get there?What could the baby have done to prevent his/her creation?What could you have done to prevent the creation?Freedom isn't free if you put restrictions on rape,pediphilia,child pornography,burglary
@angelshoulders Well actually, as the mother of the children I have, I DO have the right to decide what is right and wrong for them. I am the sole person who shapes their lives and the first and most imporant teacher they will ever have.
The FETUSES (not babies) that are in a woman's womb depend solely on her choices as well. NO ONE else's. NATURE gave a woman this right. You cannot compare rape, pediphilia, etc. (once again all over the place w/ur thoughts) completely unrelated.
@excelmaster7 That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You are NOT pro-life? You are pro-childhood and pro fetal rights? WTF does that even mean? So everyone else - screw 'em. KILL them ALL! They have no rights ...their life means nothing? c'mon! By your standards, your thoughts aren't even worth my 3 seconds of pity...
@excelmaster7 LMAO You are all over the place with this...typical. WHY assume a liberal pro-choice would be pro-AZ? Shows you truly don't understand our politics...NOT to mention that no one is KILLING immigrants. RIDICULOUS! Well I suppose in 3rd world countries this still happens, true. But in the U.S. they are sent back where they came from ...LEGALLY. There are proper channels to follow. MY GRANDPARENTS did it & so can everyone else. You rant, rave & incorrectly compare apples & oranges.
I owe a pig farm. I can sell you one of its brains, if you want. They have some bladder worms included -for free.
I'm not prolifer, because that's an ambigous term. Certainly, there's some butchers and pigs (like those bitches who have abortions) who must be sent to the wall and shooted.
You can visit my channel and watch my documentary "cerdas preñadas" ("pregnant pigs"). It depicts some women planning to have an abortion.
Nope, it is not. Not even in your country. Remember the Erica Basora's case. She ask her boyfried to hit her in the womb when she was pregnant in order to kill the baby, to abort it.
You know what happened? He was charged with murder, and she was left in freedom...
There's no doubt that decision was extremely feminazi.
@excelmaster7 Here is where you are showing YOUR ignorance. Tsk Tsk. Abortion IS legal in this country. The reason someone punching a woman and killing her fetus is murder is because it is not YOUR body nor yours to control or damage. It is not legal to kill another's fetus. So it was murder.
But kudos for the clever "feminazi" trigger word. It's what lifers do when they have no actual credible or logical argument. Misdirection, fear and sensationalize... it's what you do best!!
@excelmaster7 If a woman chooses to not want to be pregnant and carry a fetus to term, she has the right to terminate it. HER RIGHT over her own body. YEP! A man has no control over another's body. Though many men try... some even treat their significant other as a slave... legally, he cannot make that choice for her. He cannot FORCE an abortion any more than he can FORCE her to carry the birth to term. THAT would be the old school chauvinistic man-controlling world you WISH you lived in.
@excelmaster7 ... I'm so sorry you have this need and problem to be dominant and control others. Well at least women. It truly does infuriate you that you cannot control a woman or what she does with her own body, doesn't it? Well, get over it little man. This is 2010, not 1940.
@SillyNeNe The mother allegedly has every right to crush&dismember or poison to death an innocent human being for the sake of her“right”to bodily autonomy.
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).
@SillyNeNe Don't tell us that you are prochoice and not prodeath when you are all over these vids condoning,defending,supporting and even encouraging the legal killing of millions of living unborn human beings. You are such a hypocrite! The mother had the choice of not giving birth when she chose not to have sex! The mother's body ends where her baby's body begins. Bodily autonomy does not work when you are the one that helped to create the new body with you.
@SillyNeNe Paid to legally kill living unborn human beings. Could you do the killing?? What type of person can forcibly enter the mothers womb with the sole intention of killing her unborn baby?Could you do it? Dismember the baby with the cold hard tools of the trade, suck the tiny body pieces out, throw them into a steel colander, rinse. Got to make sure none of the baby remains within the mother,that is where many abortionists fail, leaving the mother infected. Could you sleep at night?
@angelshoulders As you KNOW, shoulders, I am anti-abortion. But as it is, I could not perform an abortion any more than I could perform ANY surgery. I hate blood and needles. I could never be a doctor at all. So, pretty dumb question. To further my point, I could NEVER kill an animal. BUT, I sure do enjoy a good steak or chicken parmesan. I often wonder if hunters can sleep at night, also. But I would not stop them from their hunt. CONTROL is what YOU do my dear. Not I.
@SillyNeNe If you were as you say, "anti-abortion", you would not be here condoning, supporting, defending a mother's 'right' to kill the living unborn human being that she herselp helped to create.I teach 2&3yr.olds to accept responsibility for their actions, apparently,you on the other hand believe that adults should flee any responsibility for their actions.Even if that means they kill another person to do so!! FAULT & BLAME,JUSTIFY,EXCUSE!!
@angelshoulders DO NOT presume to even think you know anything about me or what I believe. I believe in a person's right over his/her own body. PERIOD. To make that choice for him/herself. YOU on the other hand believe in twisting and sensationalizing words in order to control others and bully them into YOUR beliefs. I am anti-abortion, so I WILL NOT HAVE ONE. I am anti-guns SO I DO NOT OWN ONE. I don't tell others they can't own guns. YOU CAN'T CONTROL OTHERS! TRY again...
@SillyNeNe The typical response is,“Because it’s inside the mother’s body!”What’s a poor unborn child to do?Inside the womb it is at the mercy of its mother;outside of the womb, it is protected by law,even from its mother.How strange.And how inconsistent!Totally
Unsatisfactory&is nothing more than an attempt to avoid the reality of what abortion does:kills a defenseless child.What of a mother who want to kill her 2yr.old crippled child.
@angelshoulders ".I teach 2&3yr.olds to accept responsibility for their actions" NOPE! You teach children how to live like YOU do and think like YOU do.
I, on the other hand, teach children to THINK for themselves. To not be bullied or pushed around by the likes of controlling freaks like you. Just because someone's solution isn't YOURS doesn't mean it is not taking responsibility. An abortion is ONE SOLUTION to a problem. Just not one you would choose.
@SillyNeNe You are happy to contend that a mother could not terminate the life of her 2 year-old,citing that the mother had made her decision&was now responsible,but she doesn’t suggest why the mother is now morally obligated nor why the same responsibility &obligation didn’t exist prior to birth.How is it exactly that a child,two days before exiting the womb is any less deserving of life than a child two days out of the womb?
(Or,for that matter,just minutes either side of the birth canal?)
@SillyNeNe The mother allegedly has every right to crush&dismember or poison to death an innocent human being for the sake of her“right”to bodily autonomy.
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).
@SillyNeNe When a pregnant mother gets punched and kills the baby, it is no different then a mother getting an abortion. The realism here lies within whether the baby was 'wanted' or not!! An abortionist would kill the baby if not 'wanted, or inconvenient', so does the individual punching the mother.
@angelshoulders Do you ever re-read what you write? Nonsensical. There IS a huge difference between an abortion and someone getting punched. Does one need to be a doctor to know this? I'm pretty sure my 5-yr-old can even tell you the difference. You are sinking lower ... and lower... you really must try harder.
~~~~~~~ Very smart of you to add that AFTER I told you that you NEVER mentioned the kids. You cant fool me ex...and abortion is still legal no matter what you believe..there is NO debating the issues.
@SillyNeNe Women are mislead by organizations such as Planned Parenthood into believing that the fetus is subhuman. Abortion is disrespectful to women as an industry. It denies them their unique biological identity and violates their right to informed consent.
@angelshoulders Women are misled and CONTROLLED by religious nuts like you. PROJECTING and FORCING your BELIEFS on them. YOU deny a woman her unique and biological right to control HER OWN BODY. I have not ONE misconception about what a fetus or an abortion or a child or a woman is. I have given birth to 4 beautiful children and lost (at the hands of the ULTIMATE abortionist, GOD) 3 fetuses. ONE SIDED information is NOT informing nor giving a CHOICE.
Regardless of religious affiliation (or lack there of) abortion hurts... it is ugly. Pick apart this video if you want but it doesnt change the fact that abortion hurts the most vunerable.
P>S> why are you lyaing and showing photos of fetues that died in utero. Thats why they are black. Ever see a fetus turn black from an abortion? It dosent happen. fetuses who die in utero, before birth, turn black because their skin actually rots away as it lies dead in amneotic fluid. Education will keep you all from being fooled
@danijelramljak What!? So you know someone who went through school with a brain cortex of a fetus?haha I seriously doubt that.What I said was A PERSON has a"developed brain cortex,and is aware of it's environment and itself." I think your school friends meet those requirements to be a person,don't you? and I really dont think a fetus can make it's way through school. do you?
SO sorry people you know not comparable to a fetus. A fetus is a potential person, the woman is not so she comes first.
Idontlikedogs1010 1 month ago
A person is an organism that is self-aware, it has even developed brain cortex, and is aware of it's environment and itself. Because a fetus does not fulfill these requirements, it is NOT a person!. abs because it's not a person, it's not murder, which is defined as: the unlawful killing of one human by another.
Idontlikedogs1010 1 month ago
@Idontlikedogs1010
SO I know people who are not self-aware and not aware of environment. Does this make them organic waste? Some of them finished schools. But still not fulfilling your requests for being person.
So if it is nothing, when it is not person, why make aboriton? Why not leaving it there?
danijelramljak 1 month ago
horrible music.
GyselleWezep 2 months ago
Women need to realize what they are doing when they choose abortion.
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@mysunflower29 says" Women need to realize what they are doing when they choose abortion.
~~~~~~~~~~ A woman finds out shes pregnant...she dosent want a child... she makes a decision to abort...she makes the appointment...she keeps the appointment. Now, what in the hell do you think she THOUGHT she was ding??? getting a lube job on her damned car? Where did you learn women were stupid? From your mother?
Sueezee1 1 month ago
Women should stop having sex with men, this will all go away. There would be no abortion.
jones6119 2 months ago
@jones6119 Lesbians for the win.
CatchMeInYourNet15 2 months ago
@jones6119 How about men keeping it in their pants that works better or castration! now I like the sound of that.
Idontlikedogs1010 2 months ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 Women consent to this childcreating sex!!!
reviewreviewer1 1 month ago
Ignore reviewreviewer1 they are just a idiot troll who also has multiple accounts so he can berate poor women for his own entertainment.
Idontlikedogs1010 1 month ago
@Idontlikedogs1010 I berate murderers, for morality!!!!
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Abortion it's murder
Mariieee13 3 months ago
tell me how many people women must die becuse they cant save them selves and the argument agenst abortions is like saying using a condom is murder becuse its killing the baby you could of had as well as the deseses you could of had and what if the mother will die to have this baby is that your call to make or hers
Honyi1 3 months ago
@Honyi1
are you really using that as an argument? How is using a condom killing something that was never created? When you abort a child, a human being has already manifested, it has already been created and is GROWING. Abort means to stop something that is existing. Using a condom prevents something that never was.
Vakdra 3 months ago
@Vakdra a condom is killing cells cells that are alive cells that could become baby's if they when into an egg so as long as a baby dose not get inside its mothers overy its fine to let it die. and tell me when dose the sperm cell magical turn into a human??? that right when the women water breaks not when its growing inside an egg
Honyi1 3 months ago
@Honyi1
are you serious??? condoms kills cells?? ha. Condoms block the sperm from reaching the egg. No cells are "killed" in this process. A sperm's cell is still "alive" whether it fertilizes an egg or not. Otherwise men are killing their cells everyday when they masturbate.
Vakdra 3 months ago 2
@Vakdra dud cell can only live after 48 hrs unless you try and soop up all the cells and try and put them into an egg you are still killing children and if you do make abortions ileagle this would be incredibly bad for society becuse people will still have abortioons but they will be much more dangerous for society povaty will rise mured will increase pedafelia would be arise this would all come from not being able to not have a child once you are fertalised
Honyi1 3 months ago
@Honyi1
This is not about making abortion illegal. I;m not even advocating for that per se. I'm advocating for mothers to make the choice to not kill their unborn children. simple.
Vakdra 2 months ago
@Vakdra And thats your opinion and I respect it but I disagree.
travellingartistfilm 2 months ago
@Vakdra says: I'm advocating for mothers to make the choice to not kill their unborn children.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ What in the hell do you think pro choice is?? That includes CHOOSING not to abort.
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Yes but that shouldn`t be a chose all human beings have the moral right to live so it iis not your choice too kill em!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 1 month ago
@Honyi1 First, abortion is (unfortunately) legal. I do not see that there is LESS poverty, murders or pedophilia because of that. Second, theft, murder, drug abuse etc. are also illegal and, yes, people still do it. Should they be legalised? Do you really believe there would be less of these crimes if they were legal?
Kosjenkaiva 3 weeks ago
@Honyi1 says: a condom is killing cells cells that are alive cells that could become baby's if
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ knowledge is power...and you have neither.
Sueezee1 1 month ago
This is the most badass video ever.
shawngreene1 3 months ago
this music is so uneccessary.
chrisbrownlov1 3 months ago
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MrChubbington1 4 months ago
How about that song huh??
Littlemexicano 6 months ago
The fetus feels no pain at all
HowardSternn 7 months ago
@HowardSternn Unborn children can feel pain at 16 weeks. Even if they can't feel pain, does that mean that it's okay to kill somebody if they can't feel pain?
smstewopinion1 4 months ago
@smstewopinion1 I only favor Abortion to the 7th month
HowardSternn 4 months ago
You are free to murder anyone you wish. Sure, you'll face the consequences for it (imprisonment, possible execution, ect. ect.). Just like women who choose to terminate their fetuses. They have to live with that conscious decision. Some care a lot, some not at all. It is not your place to decide.
randomenesslover 8 months ago
@randomenesslover No you are absolutely NOT free to murder whoever you want. How would you feel if somebody in your family got murdered, and the murderer told you "I can kill whoever I want to as long as I face the consequences, and it's not your place to decide whether I can kill or not."?
smstewopinion1 4 months ago
@smstewopinion1 I understand your viewpoint, but that doesn't change my mind. You can kill whomever you like, but you will most likely go to jail. Abortion is the same thing, only the consequences are different. You face more social and psychological consequences with abortion than you do murder. Furthermore, no one can decide whether/who you kill. It's how you like your life. You just have to take responsibility for your crimes and deal the repercussions of your decisions. :)
randomenesslover 4 months ago
JACKING OFF AND WASTING SEMEN IS MURDER, LOOK AT ALL THOSE PERFECTLY GOOD BABIES YOU'RE WASTING THERE. Oh well, now we have a bunch of delicious stem cells we can use to actually help society, instead of having another dumpster baby brought into the world.
Pacmanghost 8 months ago
Lmao abortion is not murder.It's a womans choice
brandonthewildman 8 months ago
reatared people abortion is murder and wrong.
supergothvampire1 1 year ago
I only favor Abortion until the 8th month
HowardSternn 1 year ago
The fetus, embryo what ever life cycle you want to end is still a human being endowed with all it's inalienable rights. Tell me by your personal opinions from which your standards arrive from when does a embryo stop being an embryo and becomes a human being who has the right to live?
See with me it's pretty simple.. the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg human life has begun and to stop it from growing by killing it is murder. No debate, no rationalizing, it's sacred.
Theism411 1 year ago
This is sick! I used to believe in a womans right to choose then I heard a talk by none other then Christopher Hitchens brother Peter, God bless him. This is what he said that opened my eyes and this is out of quote
Murderes dehumanize their victims "oh he isn't human he is a black, jew, etc". We do the same in the womb, "oh it isn't human it's just a fetus". That struck me like a bolt of lightning! I've been using the same excuse, strip away it's humanity THEN KILL IT! God forgive me
Theism411 1 year ago
Why is it when a woman that is carrying a baby and she is in an automobile crash and she and the baby dies. Why then is the person in the other car charged with two counts of vehicular homicide if abortion is not killing?
titansful 1 year ago
Pro-choice or nothing
Do not let anyone tell you what to do with your life
darklorddogg 1 year ago
you say that a baby has a right to live, but the mother does not have the right to do what she wants with her life. she does not have the right to have a better life that she would have had without an unwanted baby. i agree that if you dont want a kid, use protection, but what about rape? what defines us as a person"being genetically human or being born and having emotions and memories. wouldnt it be better for the baby no to have to grow up in such a crappy, unloving , overpopulated enironment?
deparinge 1 year ago
@deparinge If a woman is rapped she should go straight to the police and also the hospital and be cleaned out. That way no chance of becoming pregnant. If someone causes an accident where there is a woman that is pregnant and the woman dies or the baby dies that she is carrying then the person that causes the death is charged with vehicular homicide. Is that not the same. The baby dies in both cases.
titansful 1 year ago
@deparinge Excuse me but since when is a womans convenience and love for more money more important then a human life growing inside a womb? Also a better life? By what standards by the standards of material wealth? Maybe the better life is raising a new life, nurturing, guiding it to be it's mother, gaurdian to fall in love with the child then look back and CRY OUT OF SHAME, GUILT!!! for ever even thinking of murdering your child in your womb and never knowing his smile, his love, his legacy!!!!
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 more often then not, women who get abortions dont "cry out in shame" they are relieved that they didnt ruin their life or the life of what could have been their child and have learned from their mistakes and will wait to have a child untill they're ready. there is a difference between "murdering a child" and aborting a fetus. there is a difference between a person and a fetus, they are both humans but there is a difference. I would explain more but I have run out of room.
deparinge 1 year ago
@deparinge So that's what it means to be human. It's ok for me to end a human life as long as I can't see it and it can't defend itself all because I want convenience. A fetus is merely a name for a human being in a early growth cycle. It's a human being growing up, maturing inside the womb IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT DAMN NAME YOU GIVE IT, IT'S HUMAN!
A newborn is just as intelligent and selfaware as a fetus, why don't we take an axe chop it into pieces and throw it in the garbage?
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411, you are overexaggerating things because your point is weak. I'm not talking about fully-formed fetuses here: I'm talking about the first two trimesters where its brain isnt fully formed. Is something a human being when it is only a zygote or is it a human being when it has thoughts, emotions, and memories? A fetus isnt a name for a human"BEING" but a name for a pre-mature, not fully-formed human embryo. In no way is abortion fimilar to chopping up a baby with an axe and you know that
deparinge 1 year ago
@Theism411 I have never heard of an early term fetus being as intelligent and self-aware as a newborn child...
Do you know why I've never heard such a thing, because it's in no way true. The whole point of being inside the mother during the development is so the organs can develop, mental abilities are saved for after birth.
Without abortion women would be trying in any way possible to have a mis-carriage, or would simply dspose of the newborn after having it...
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 It's self-evident a newborn is as intelligent and self-aware as a fetus. They're both equally mentally capable of performing same intelligent functions which are none that I know of. Besides what are you saying that humans with lesser intelligence are not humans and don't deserve to live? Not even 1 year olds are self aware so how can you say a newborn is more self-aware then a fetuse both their self-awareness is at zero.
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 No, an early term fetus is developing brain tissue, no real mental capabilities are being developed. I'm sorry to say, one year olds do have a simple self-awareness, that's how they are able to determine their parents and their siblings. You can not compare the rapid mental development of an infant to a fetus who is still developing organs, which is the primary function of being a fetus.
Yes i said humans don't deserve to live, that's a fallacy to take my speech out of context, stop.
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 Baby ducks can determine their mother in 1 day simply by smell, it has nothing to do with intelligence. Also how intelligent does a human being have to be inorder to have the right to live?
I think every human being has the right to life it even says so in our constitution. If you're an athiest then that may explain why you think humans have no right to life.
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 Okay, infants are easily able to determine their mother due to the development of hearing in the womb and they recognize their voice. That doesn't refer to the other family members in which scientists have seen that infants of 8 months can determine their closest family members.
What a petty thing to say, because i'm an atheist that explains it. I don't want to go into how completely stupid that comment was. You want to deny women a civil right to choose to do with THEIR body.
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 What does intelligence have to do with a humans right to live? Dogs aren't self-aware does that mean they deserve to die?
You said human beings don't have the right to life and if I was an atheist I would agree with you. I'm a Christian and I believe every life is sacred because it is ordained by God and we are his children, I don't have the right to kill my brothers and sisters we are all one family under God.
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 Where do you get your information, i would love to see if these sudies are funded by any of the 4000 pro-life pregnancy clinics, compared to the 800 or so abortion clinics in which 4 or 5 are shut down every year due to threats, assault or murder. some pro-lifers are so pro-life they would take life to defend life.
Now does that not seem like an obscenely stupid justification for murder?
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 My information is common knowledge, pick up a book and read. I don't support murder of any kind, killing abortionists is not the way to solve the problem.
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 Actually its not common knowledge, Early developmental psychology isn't a very well known subject among the general public. Again the intellectual development of an infant is absolutely extraordinary, no fetus of an type of animal has time to develop metal capabilities in the womb because its a race to develop fully in order to survive. Evolution is wonderful.
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 What does intelligence have to do with a humans right to live? Dogs aren't self-aware does that mean they deserve to die too?
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 AGAIN a human is only a human with some sort of intelligence, meaning personality and conciousness, THIS is common knowledge.
No thaat was no what I said, and it is still rather petty of you to bring my non-belief into something such as this.
Do you feel the same way about the execution of your so called brothers and sisters? It's absolutely pathetic to have someone from a religion built on violence preach to me about life, quite disgusting.
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Theism411 Listen, an early term fetus (the most commonly aborted) has no mental development only physical development. As of this time they are technically unrecognizable compared to any other type of mammal fetus, it's only when that mental development starts and noticable mental activity begins to take place is a human actually come into being. Infants have minds and personality, fetuses don't, therefore, at the time, they aren't human...
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 What does intelligence have to do with a humans right to live? Dogs aren't self-aware does that mean they deserve to die too?
You're repeating the same argument about intelligence but me let add this about your womans right to chose. A woman has no right to end the life of her unborn child. The child she carries is not of her body but inside her body, it's also the child of the father it shares his DNA.
Theism411 1 year ago
@Theism411 What if that fetus is dying inside the mother's womb and is also threatening to kill the mother or what if the child is the product of rape or incest and mother is threatening suicide?
This isn't as black and white as you see it, there are many variables a for the situation and reasons why a woman would need an abortion, before medical abortion for instance, self induced mis-carriages were rather high considering the God fearing time period...
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Toastyfire45 You're right, it's not black and white. It's 4 % white or grey (cases of rape, incest, or dabger for the mother) and 96 % black.
Chamborant 1 year ago
@Chamborant Wow where did you get that statistic? Fetal problems combined with problems for the mother makes up 25% of all abortion cases. Even if your statistics were true, so what? Fuck those women who have health problems, who were raped, who don't feel they can take care of their child, who have too many children, and who are way to young to have a child?
Ya who gives a shit about those women, what an asshole...
Toastyfire45 1 year ago
@Theism411 yeah well, he doesn't go through the physical hardships of carrying a child to term, therefore he gets no say.
artgeek707 1 year ago
We resent that the value of a woman is determined by whether some man wants us, yet we declare that the value of an unborn child is determined by whether someone wants him. We resent that as women we have been 'owned' by our husbands, yet insist that the unborn are 'owned' by us. We believe that a man's right to do what he pleases with his own body cannot include the right to sexually exploit women, yet proclaim a our similar right means we can kill our unborn child
angelshoulders 1 year ago 2
BOTTOM LINE: Murder is killing against the law. Abortion is legal so it is NOT murder. You may WISH it WERE murder, but it is not. Plain and simple. To call it this just shows ignorance.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe There is little that is physically different or cognitively different,&the child remains dependent on the mother’s care for survival. The location of the child has changed,but why should that matter?It’s not as if the child becomes something else entirely simply because it has moved from one place to another. Where’s the magic?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
You cannot argue that your right to life is made null and void because of your location. Are you any different a person if you’re in one country over another? You’re still you, right? That you are you as an unborn child inside the womb of your mother no more cancels out your human beingness than a car ceases to be a car when it leaves the garage.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Talking of rights doesn’t even come into the picture and nor should it. Society expects mothers to care for their offspring – there is an obligation that they do so.
Medical practitioners cannot knowingly provide a pregnant mother a drug that will cause the deformation of her unborn child, even if the use of that drug will be a great convenience to the mother (i.e. ease her morning sickness).
angelshoulders 1 year ago
The question is why this is the case.The answer is that the unborn are human beings&are deserving of our nurturing&protection.This is not to say that pregnant mothers aren’t to be cared for-they are&they are to be supported in instances where the pregnancy is burdensome&unexpected..
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Moreover,it is to say that where innocent life hangs in the balance,there is a greater obligation (not charity,nor an act of goodwill,but obligation!) to forego one’s own “right” to privacy&bodily autonomy for the sake of the most defenseless in our society.Our children.At the end of the day, a pro-choicer must aptly put forward sound reasons for stating why an unborn human being has no right to life and that its mother has every right to terminate its life for any reason she so desires.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
He must further demonstrate why it is okay to kill a perfectly innocent human.These, to me,sound like very unpalatable&overly problematic positions to defend as I’m sure many of you will agree&on which I believe prodeathers fault.Interestingly,if prodeathers believe that the mother is responsible for the child after it’s born because she chose to birth the child,I wonder why she believes the mother has no responsibility to the child when she engaged in the sexual activity that created him?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Surely,if no child was desired,she ought to have refrained from such activity?Seems perfectly logical to me. BTW, how in the world does the mother cause that (baby) part of her body to move?? That is some control huh?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Abortion is murder.
To jail with bitches who have had abortions.
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excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 so sad...too bad...abortion is legal! THANK GOD! Thank the Lord that women still have control over their own bodies and crazy people like you cannot dictate what we should or shouldn't do with regards to own reproductive rights. AMEN!
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Here you make two stupidities: The first one is to think that laws are static and society can not change'em. In some countries it is legal to whip adulterous women. But sooner or later society will change that legislation. Same will happen with unpunished fetal murder.
The second stupidity you make, is to talk about god and religion. That's not scientific.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe In effect,the bodily autonomy argument declares that,in certain situations,it is morally permissible to terminate the life of an innocent human being.(Am I the only one to whom that sounds crazy?Name any other situation in which we would deem it ok to kill an innocent human?)Never mind the fact that what is created at conception is,as a statement of scientific&medical fact,a distinct human being
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Peace! The child has a right to life. Neither the father nor the mother have the right to take the life of the child, whether a boy or a girl, by killing it or burying it alive. Allah says :
" And do not kill your children out of fear of poverty; We shall provide for them and for you. Truly, the killing of them is a great sin." (Quran ,17:31)
SolidSufi 1 year ago
i think about abortion 3 times a day. it makes me horny
5T3V1L 1 year ago
how about the one that dont have any choise to aborsion that baby?==a if she still geting birth the baby both of them will die? how about that condition?
Silkitte 1 year ago
Abortion is Murder!!! If you dont want to be a parent its as easy as this: Keep your frikkin legs closed!!!
faaaaairydust 1 year ago 2
@faaaaairydust
These comments always crack me up. Every time.
I'm MARRIED, already a parent of FOUR CHILDREN (one is 9mos old)
and 41. So you are saying I should keep my legs shut because I
don't want any more children? WOW my husband will LOVE that
comment! ha ha Come live in the REAL world. Really. You'll love it.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe My real world does not consist of having sex, helping to create a new living human being, then hiring a hit man to forcibly enter my uterus with the cold hard insturment of the trade, to dismember my baby. Then dump the contents into a steel colander,got to make sure all the tiny arms,legs etc. are out, and incenerate the baby. That is reality in the REAL world, as you say! Get your tubes tied or a vasectomy, don't create a life just to legally murder him/her.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Sensationalizing and fabricating. is there a class for that at PLU? S&F101? lmao The vast majority of abortions done on first trimester EMBRYOS. There is nothing to dismember! Tiny arms and legs? Try BUDS. I have had a miscarriage at 13 weeks...it was NOT a baby. TRUST me on this.
"Get your tubes tied or a vasec"...REALLY??! CONTROLLING again? WHY should I or my husband have surgery to suit YOUR beliefs? LMFAO!
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@angelshoulders OOOHHH>>and BTW...I wanted my tubes tied during my last c-section. Once again...41, already had 4 children...and guess what?! I COULDN'T. My uterus was right there on the table. WHY you ask??!! Because I was in a Catholic Hospital. See idiots want it BOTH ways...no birth control but no unwanted pregnancy. RIDICULOUS! So THAT is why my tubes aren't tied and I am NOT going under the knife again FOR YOU. IDIOTIC of you to ask it. (or demand it.)
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
your only looking at one side of the argument by making this video.
1.yes abortion is wrong, it should be used as a form of birth control or used to get out of the consequeces of getting pregnant.
2. however there are "rare" cases where abortion is acceptable. what about insest and rape victims, they should have a right to choose because it was not their choice.
3. what if the unborn baby has a Disease which is killing the baby and the mother?
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0
I don't agree with you at all. Who are you to decide what is right or wrong for a woman? There are many who would say that raped or not, it still isn't the unborn's fault. If the woman doesn't want the baby, she should give it up for adoption.
FREEDOM isn't FREE if you start judging and putting restrictions on it.
Regardless of HER reasons, it is still HER right to make the choice for her own body.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe
1. sorry typo it "shouldnt" be used as a form of birth control.
2. ya, the woman didnt get to make the choice to have sex, so why should she get a choice on birthing a baby she didnt want.
3. i never said it wasnt her choice, im just saying she should have the "opinion" of aborting in the cases of rape, incest, or serious medical problems. its still her choice if she uses the opinions given to her.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0
For the record, I am PRO-CHOICE so I agree with you...sort of. My point is that why should it end there? YOU think it is okay for certain reasons but who has that right to judge & decide? It's ether legal or it isn't. You have to take the good with the bad. Whether it is forced sex or consentual, if the end result is IDENTICAL (unwanted pregnancy) then BOTH women should have the RIGHT to CHOOSE what is right for HER - without your beliefs (or judgement) as a consideration.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe
1. only god deals in absolutes. if a man kills another man (in any circumstance)is it a crime?
2. if a woman has sex she is giving in to the possibility (how ever slight) of having a child. in consentual sex there is no such thing as an accidental preganacy.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0
1.WRONG. GOD has NO PLACE in this argument. Because there are those who do not believe in your God or my God or any God. That is a belief NOT a fact. Each man must live his/her life based on one's OWN beliefs not that of another and he/she will meet his/her maker some day to answer. (or not...)
2. WRONG. If I use birth control and it fails, I DID NOT WANT A BABY. Again, to believe sex is only used in cases of procreation is a BELIEF. Grow up, okay?
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe but why should they have to use birth control? when they can just get an abortion to not deal with the bad choices they have made.
that is my problem with abortion, people using it a "cure" for the problems they got themselves into.
and it is not a belief it is an opinion, one i am entitled to. but i know you dont like my "you made your bed, now lie in it" way of thinking.
AceofDimonds0 1 year ago
@AceofDimonds0 "when they can just get an abortion to not deal with the bad choices..." You act like the woman has no sorrow or regret. LIke choosing to have an abortion is something they take lightly. Do you even know anyone who has had one?
"you made your bed now lie in it"... so in other words, take responsibility! Who says I don't believe that, too? Getting an abortion IS being responsible and ONE option for a fix. Just because you dont' like it, doesn't make it less of one.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Those of you familiar with pro-choice rhetoric will of course recognize such a response as an appeal to personal,bodily autonomy&privacy.There’s no addressing the morality of the issue of abortion–supposedly,whether or not there is a moral concern,it is trumped by a mother’s right to the use of her own body as she deems fit.(So instead of talking about morals,we’re talking about rights–&the two are not necessarily synonymous.)
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Our founding fathers,in the charter of this republic spoke clearly,stating"we hold these truths to be self evident,that all men are created equal & that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights-of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness."
But this is not a religious issue,it is primarily a human rights issue,a civil rights issue, &our nation & other western nations, make laws to protect civil and human rights."
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders I could NOT agree with you MORE! This is a human rights issue for humans who are BORN & living within our society thus governed by our laws. A fetus' rights cannot supercede a woman's. If you are dying and need MY BLOOD...something that will not hurt me to give you... NO GOVERNMENT or MAN can FORCE me to give it to you. Period. You cannot take my rights AWAY to give them to the fetus. THAT goes against the civil rights you are distorting to TRY and prove your cause.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
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@SillyNeNe A mother's rights you mean. Have you thought about how many women are maimed,even killed through LEGAL & SAFE abortions.How many young women are sterile or suicidal after abortions? That was their 'choice'. I stand up for the life of the mother & baby.I do not want the young woman to undergo hysterectomy after the abortionist perforates her uterus,or bowel repair after he pulls her bowel out of her vagina.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders YOU.ARE.DESPERATE.AND.HIT.A.NEW.LOW. PRETENDING to care about the woman's 'rights"? LMAO! c'mon. Have you thought about how many women DIED and were sterile after botched illegal abortions? How many women are suicidal when forced into an abusive relationship with the man who raped them and forced to carry their baby? (Because a GIRL under 18 is most certainly RAPED! Consent my ass!) These women are told of the risks and still CHOOSE (there's that word) to have one.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@angelshoulders I wonder...being so concerned with the woman's rights and how they can be harmed during the procedure... do you champion them against ALL elective surgeries then? Are you on plastic surgeon sites ranting away at how these women can be maimed and even killed? LOL Nah... so why pretend that is even an issue or concer of yours. As nonsensical as it is.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
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@AceofDimonds0 says:. in consentual sex there is no such thing as an accidental preganacy
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Twist it all you like.....when birth control fails...its an accident.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 It's all they can do, Suez. oh no...their true answer...don't have sex! lmao Ya...doesn't that happen in marriages enough?? If I AM RESPONSIBLE and use birth control and it FAILS, I then have options. NO ONE else should decide what that option should be for MY body, but ME!
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed.You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).The basic premises of this argument,as I understand it,are two-fold:1)a person has a right to do what they wish with their body;2)no one else has a right to violate or to use another’s body.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Well if you would stop TRYING to sound smart and use English, I might be able to understand what you are saying. But I THINK you are trying to say that I presume there is a person's right to be in charge of their own body? And that no one can violate or use their body. I would say I do believe this and if I am wrong, then I think I need to leave this country. Am I wrong? The government has the right to tell you what to do with or to your own body??
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe "Choice" is a misnomer.Choice is only relevant within the context it is used.So called pro choice group ARE pro abortion.Is it a rapists right to choose to rape or a killers to murder.Of course not.So how is it a womans choice to have her baby mutilated&killed? Pro Choice just assumed if a child is born into less than perfect circumstances they are better off not being born.There plenty of people in prison who would like to murder you and me.Should we let them out?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders OF COURSE it is a rapists CHOICE to rape. No one forced them to do it. In no way is this word - even in that case - a misnomer. Nice try. You are completely WRONG to say that because someone is pro-choice they are pro-abortion. In a perfect world, if "I" were in control, I would love nothing more than to see abortions illegal and extinct. But I don't control people, or their beliefs, or their bodies. Once again...you compare apples and oranges. You really must like fruit
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Who are you to decide who lives and dies? Who are you to decide whether the baby ,you yourself, helped to create,has the right to live once you gave the child the life? FREEDOM isn't FREE if you start judging & putting restrictions on child pornography or pediphilia either!?! If the mother did not want the baby,she should never have helped to create him/her!! Regardless of HER reasons, abortion is still legal murder. Killing!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders WHO ARE YOU to decide what I can do with my body? What beliefs I should have?
See here is where you twist words and make no sense. "I" am not trying to control or decide anything. "I" believe in each woman to make that CHOICE for herself. YOU are deciding ...YOU are controlling... YOU take a woman's freedom away for YOUR beliefs and YOUR ideals. So WHO ARE YOU to DECIDE this??
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Who are you to decide what living unborn child should live or die? Unless you have 4 eyes,4ears,2hearts& penis in the case the baby is a boy, this newly created life is NOT YOUR BODY!! You are controlling in your support of killing millions of living human beings. Where is your humanity? Where are your morals, standards etc. You don't have to be Christian to know abortion is wrong!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
But if the bodily autonomy advocate is true to their stance,this argument in favor of abortion must give way to other scenarios in which they themselves would be horrified at.
If mom decides best could she not kill her crippled 2 year old toddler and still claim her right to choice?Killing a child who is inside the womb is permissible,while killing a child outside of the womb is not.The big question is,“Why?”
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders WHY? Because one is actually living and breathing outside of the womb, thus governed by our laws. The other is incapable of sustaining life outside of the womb, has not been born yet and so has no rights. BUT even if the fetus did have rights, you have take away the woman's rights to give them to the fetus. No one is saying the woman HAS to do anything to her own body in order for her 2yr old to live. You compare apples and oranges. Not the same scenerio.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe "you have take away the woman's rights to give them to the fetus"
If there's a conflict between an adult's and a child's right, child's right must prevail.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 Nice belief...but not legal or true. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. Tell me, if an EMT gets to the scene of an accident and can save a child but only if he kills the adult in the way first, he would kill the adult? There isn't enough time to save both. AND if it comes down to saving a woman or her unborn child, a doctor/EMT/medical person will save the woman EVERY TIME! UNLESS the woman is able to speak for herself and CHOOSES to save the unborn's life. There's that word again.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe What is "EMT"?
Are you saying that all abortions are practiced due to dead risk for the mother?
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@angelshoulders FURTHERMORE... you speak in such absolutes. (Typical of bible thumpers.) So if the woman did not try to create a baby, it is THEN okay to abort it? REGARDLESS of YOUR reasons you have NO RIGHT to dictate what another should believe. You JUDGE and DECIDE for them. I am 42 and have 4 kids. I use birth control and *gasp* am still intimate with my husband. I use birth contr. because I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE KIDS. If it fails, I HAVE THE CHOICE to discard the unwanted pregnancy
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
Because of the NATURE OF the mother’s"SAY“, the unborn loses his/herLIFE!The right we are campaigning to remove from its mother is much less fundamental than her right to life.Most of us don't have a problem with abortion when her life actually is in danger.When an independent doctor who has no financial stake in whether or not that abortion is performed can clearly state in his/her expert medical opinion that the mother would likely not survive if she had to carry the pregnancy to term.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders BUT you are putting the mother's life before the fetuses then. WHY? Why not leave it up to God. Is it the fetuses fault the mother might die? Did the fetus ask to be put there? It's either morally wrong or it isn't. You start making exceptions...and JUDGING...what a concept.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe The typical response is,“Because it’s inside the mother’s body!”What’s a poor unborn child to do?Inside the womb it is at the mercy of its mother;outside of the womb, it is protected by law,even from its mother.How strange.And how inconsistent!Totally
Unsatisfactory&is nothing more than an attempt to avoid the reality of what abortion does:kills a defenseless child.What of a mother who want to kill her 2yr.old crippled child.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders You compare apples and oranges. And THAt is a typical response of your kind. If it is an unborn child as you say, then I say - let it be born. Pull it out and let it live. The difference is that in order for it to sustain life, it must be in the womb of the woman carrying it. So once again the fetus' rights over the woman's. A 2-yr-old child can be cared for by ANYONE. The mother only need give it up for adoption. But of course you know this and choose to be ignorant.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Who are you to decide what is right or wrong for the new life you helped to create. The baby had no way of avoiding his/her circumstances, you had all the choice in that! Who put the baby in your womb?Did the baby hijack your body,forcibly entering your womb?How did the baby get there?What could the baby have done to prevent his/her creation?What could you have done to prevent the creation?Freedom isn't free if you put restrictions on rape,pediphilia,child pornography,burglary
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Well actually, as the mother of the children I have, I DO have the right to decide what is right and wrong for them. I am the sole person who shapes their lives and the first and most imporant teacher they will ever have.
The FETUSES (not babies) that are in a woman's womb depend solely on her choices as well. NO ONE else's. NATURE gave a woman this right. You cannot compare rape, pediphilia, etc. (once again all over the place w/ur thoughts) completely unrelated.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe "Well actually, as the mother of the children I have, I DO have the right to decide what is right and wrong for them. "
Now it turns out that killing an intrauterine baby is right for it.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
abortion is fine geez you all just hate it cuz u have never had to make that descision
Emilayyhdw 2 years ago
the image at 1:05 is totally fake. a fetus does not have limbs at those proportions.
dragonpat666 2 years ago
ABORTION IS MURDER.
They should shoot all abortionist bitches, in a televised execution, and upload the video to YouTube.
MURDERERS.
excelmaster7 2 years ago
@excelmaster7
Actually ABORTION is NOT murder because it is legal. It's just killing.
"They should shoot abortionist bitches..."
So it is safe to say you are NOT "PRO-LIFE"??
Or you only care about the PRE-born...once they come outta' the va-j-j...who cares, right?
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe In my country is not legal.
And I'm not prolife. I'm pro childhood and pro fetal rights.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You are NOT pro-life? You are pro-childhood and pro fetal rights? WTF does that even mean? So everyone else - screw 'em. KILL them ALL! They have no rights ...their life means nothing? c'mon! By your standards, your thoughts aren't even worth my 3 seconds of pity...
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Nope, I'm not "prolife". In fact, I think paedophiles, kidnappers and bitches who have had abortions must be sent to the wall and shooted.
But... I guess you would kill all those immigrants in Arizona... because they have no rights...
We are not prolifers, then.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 LMAO You are all over the place with this...typical. WHY assume a liberal pro-choice would be pro-AZ? Shows you truly don't understand our politics...NOT to mention that no one is KILLING immigrants. RIDICULOUS! Well I suppose in 3rd world countries this still happens, true. But in the U.S. they are sent back where they came from ...LEGALLY. There are proper channels to follow. MY GRANDPARENTS did it & so can everyone else. You rant, rave & incorrectly compare apples & oranges.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
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@SillyNeNe Because they have no rigths...
You said: "KILL them ALL! They have no rights "
Now explain me why you don't allow immigrants to be murdered, if they have no rights...
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 says,,,We are not prolifers
~~~~~~~ Thats right, your prochoices that just havent grown up yet...we'll wait.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 My filthy butcher:
I owe a pig farm. I can sell you one of its brains, if you want. They have some bladder worms included -for free.
I'm not prolifer, because that's an ambigous term. Certainly, there's some butchers and pigs (like those bitches who have abortions) who must be sent to the wall and shooted.
You can visit my channel and watch my documentary "cerdas preñadas" ("pregnant pigs"). It depicts some women planning to have an abortion.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 says: i own a pig farm
~~~~~~ And, abortion is stil llegal......
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 says: "And, abortion is stil llegal."
Nope, it is not. Not even in your country. Remember the Erica Basora's case. She ask her boyfried to hit her in the womb when she was pregnant in order to kill the baby, to abort it.
You know what happened? He was charged with murder, and she was left in freedom...
There's no doubt that decision was extremely feminazi.
And, your brain is still lost...
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 Here is where you are showing YOUR ignorance. Tsk Tsk. Abortion IS legal in this country. The reason someone punching a woman and killing her fetus is murder is because it is not YOUR body nor yours to control or damage. It is not legal to kill another's fetus. So it was murder.
But kudos for the clever "feminazi" trigger word. It's what lifers do when they have no actual credible or logical argument. Misdirection, fear and sensationalize... it's what you do best!!
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe haha So, if a man kills his intrauterine child is murder, but if a woman kill it, it is not? haha.
Feminazi world.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 If a woman chooses to not want to be pregnant and carry a fetus to term, she has the right to terminate it. HER RIGHT over her own body. YEP! A man has no control over another's body. Though many men try... some even treat their significant other as a slave... legally, he cannot make that choice for her. He cannot FORCE an abortion any more than he can FORCE her to carry the birth to term. THAT would be the old school chauvinistic man-controlling world you WISH you lived in.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Yeah. I see: if a man kills a fetus of his own, it is a murder. If a woman kill a fetus of her own, it is not. hehe...
Feminazi-controlling world.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 Now you've got it. Glad you understand.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago 2
@SillyNeNe Yes, this is a feminazi world. You understand this, too.
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 ... I'm so sorry you have this need and problem to be dominant and control others. Well at least women. It truly does infuriate you that you cannot control a woman or what she does with her own body, doesn't it? Well, get over it little man. This is 2010, not 1940.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe I don't want all women to be controlled. Only the killer ones.
I infuriate as much as you do with rapist and what they do "with their own penises".
excelmaster7 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe The mother allegedly has every right to crush&dismember or poison to death an innocent human being for the sake of her“right”to bodily autonomy.
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Don't tell us that you are prochoice and not prodeath when you are all over these vids condoning,defending,supporting and even encouraging the legal killing of millions of living unborn human beings. You are such a hypocrite! The mother had the choice of not giving birth when she chose not to have sex! The mother's body ends where her baby's body begins. Bodily autonomy does not work when you are the one that helped to create the new body with you.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Then let's take the baby out and LET IT LIVE! Oh it can't? bummer.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago 2
@SillyNeNe Paid to legally kill living unborn human beings. Could you do the killing?? What type of person can forcibly enter the mothers womb with the sole intention of killing her unborn baby?Could you do it? Dismember the baby with the cold hard tools of the trade, suck the tiny body pieces out, throw them into a steel colander, rinse. Got to make sure none of the baby remains within the mother,that is where many abortionists fail, leaving the mother infected. Could you sleep at night?
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders As you KNOW, shoulders, I am anti-abortion. But as it is, I could not perform an abortion any more than I could perform ANY surgery. I hate blood and needles. I could never be a doctor at all. So, pretty dumb question. To further my point, I could NEVER kill an animal. BUT, I sure do enjoy a good steak or chicken parmesan. I often wonder if hunters can sleep at night, also. But I would not stop them from their hunt. CONTROL is what YOU do my dear. Not I.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago 2
@SillyNeNe If you were as you say, "anti-abortion", you would not be here condoning, supporting, defending a mother's 'right' to kill the living unborn human being that she herselp helped to create.I teach 2&3yr.olds to accept responsibility for their actions, apparently,you on the other hand believe that adults should flee any responsibility for their actions.Even if that means they kill another person to do so!! FAULT & BLAME,JUSTIFY,EXCUSE!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders DO NOT presume to even think you know anything about me or what I believe. I believe in a person's right over his/her own body. PERIOD. To make that choice for him/herself. YOU on the other hand believe in twisting and sensationalizing words in order to control others and bully them into YOUR beliefs. I am anti-abortion, so I WILL NOT HAVE ONE. I am anti-guns SO I DO NOT OWN ONE. I don't tell others they can't own guns. YOU CAN'T CONTROL OTHERS! TRY again...
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe The typical response is,“Because it’s inside the mother’s body!”What’s a poor unborn child to do?Inside the womb it is at the mercy of its mother;outside of the womb, it is protected by law,even from its mother.How strange.And how inconsistent!Totally
Unsatisfactory&is nothing more than an attempt to avoid the reality of what abortion does:kills a defenseless child.What of a mother who want to kill her 2yr.old crippled child.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders ".I teach 2&3yr.olds to accept responsibility for their actions" NOPE! You teach children how to live like YOU do and think like YOU do.
I, on the other hand, teach children to THINK for themselves. To not be bullied or pushed around by the likes of controlling freaks like you. Just because someone's solution isn't YOURS doesn't mean it is not taking responsibility. An abortion is ONE SOLUTION to a problem. Just not one you would choose.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe You are happy to contend that a mother could not terminate the life of her 2 year-old,citing that the mother had made her decision&was now responsible,but she doesn’t suggest why the mother is now morally obligated nor why the same responsibility &obligation didn’t exist prior to birth.How is it exactly that a child,two days before exiting the womb is any less deserving of life than a child two days out of the womb?
(Or,for that matter,just minutes either side of the birth canal?)
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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@SillyNeNe The mother allegedly has every right to crush&dismember or poison to death an innocent human being for the sake of her“right”to bodily autonomy.
Why do you believe a woman has an inalienable right to bodily autonomy when such a “right”tramples over the inalienable right to life of the human being who is killed
You presume that there exists a right to bodily autonomy(as well as to privacy).
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe When a pregnant mother gets punched and kills the baby, it is no different then a mother getting an abortion. The realism here lies within whether the baby was 'wanted' or not!! An abortionist would kill the baby if not 'wanted, or inconvenient', so does the individual punching the mother.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Do you ever re-read what you write? Nonsensical. There IS a huge difference between an abortion and someone getting punched. Does one need to be a doctor to know this? I'm pretty sure my 5-yr-old can even tell you the difference. You are sinking lower ... and lower... you really must try harder.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
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@Sueezee1 "Thats right, your prochoices that just havent grown up yet...we'll wait"
I loved that...because it is too true. They always change their tune after living in the real world.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
@excelmaster7 says: I'm pro childhood
~~~~~~~ Very smart of you to add that AFTER I told you that you NEVER mentioned the kids. You cant fool me ex...and abortion is still legal no matter what you believe..there is NO debating the issues.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@SillyNeNe Women are mislead by organizations such as Planned Parenthood into believing that the fetus is subhuman. Abortion is disrespectful to women as an industry. It denies them their unique biological identity and violates their right to informed consent.
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@angelshoulders Women are misled and CONTROLLED by religious nuts like you. PROJECTING and FORCING your BELIEFS on them. YOU deny a woman her unique and biological right to control HER OWN BODY. I have not ONE misconception about what a fetus or an abortion or a child or a woman is. I have given birth to 4 beautiful children and lost (at the hands of the ULTIMATE abortionist, GOD) 3 fetuses. ONE SIDED information is NOT informing nor giving a CHOICE.
SillyNeNe 1 year ago
Regardless of religious affiliation (or lack there of) abortion hurts... it is ugly. Pick apart this video if you want but it doesnt change the fact that abortion hurts the most vunerable.
Content2B 2 years ago
P>S> why are you lyaing and showing photos of fetues that died in utero. Thats why they are black. Ever see a fetus turn black from an abortion? It dosent happen. fetuses who die in utero, before birth, turn black because their skin actually rots away as it lies dead in amneotic fluid. Education will keep you all from being fooled
Sueezee1 2 years ago
Sueezee1 says:
"Ever see a fetus turn black from an abortion?"
Always. Everyone turn black after dead, because their skin rots away.
Go back to school, please.
excelmaster7 2 years ago