The author, or littleiamful, whichever this person might be, is apparently as ignorant of manners as of facts and true knowledge and critical thinking. Why does this not surprise me?
As for Julius Caesar, I do not know why you think he was a blood thirsty Tyrant whos prefered method of maintaining popularity was Death. Julius Caesar only killed peopel on the Battlefeild, never in civic life, and was beloved in ROme precicely because he wss so generious. You can't name an example of anyone hwo had killed to maintain popularity.
Sory this took a while, I seldom use Youtube, but to answer up, if you think the old "If the heir is a nutcase" argument works, pleae consider your examples more carefully. Adolph Hitler was duely elected and was the product of Democracy. He proves that elected Leaders aren't always good.
That they are endowed by their "Creator," not "God." The two terms were not synonymous then, as they are not now. There was a reason the word "Creator" was used and not Yahweh or Jehovah or Jesus. And just where in the Constitution does it talk about the family? We see through your "make my church the President" game.
This is a confused mix of biblical theory, constitutional misunderstanding, and occasionally bad English, with pet ideas thrown into the mix and labeled as "constitutional." Critical thinking could help here a lot. As would a good book on grammar. In the end it looks like just another commercial to sell another book.
This is a confused mix of biblical theory, constitutional misunderstanding, and occasionally bad English, with pet ideas thrown into the mix and labeled as "constitutional." Critical thinking could help here a lot. As would a good book on grammar.
@luvzgb That "theocratic crap" is what the people who produced the greatest free civilization known on earth based this nation on; and guess what? It worked.
@luvzgb The founders could have established a theocracy, dictatorship, monarchy or whatever they wanted. Funny how it was a group of mostly Christians that formed a nation where people of all faiths or persuasions could believe as they chose. How is that fascism?
That "dangerous crap" is what is allowing you to sit at a computer right now to express your opinion. If we had been given a monarchy, we would probably be commenting via snail mail right now.
@stevereedtv Oh yeah, just like they're "commenting" in England right now! Thanks for englightening me on that point! And we were not "given" anything, we fought for it. And if you like what you saw, and you want to see more of how great life is in a theocracy, which is what this clip espouses, go and spend a few days in a place like Iran or perhaps Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. Even better, make sure you spend your time there as a woman - you will absolutely love what religion has done to them.
@luvzgb Nobody is espousing that we create a theocracy. The founding fathers said that the government they created works best with a moral and religious people, but NEVER advocated the establishment of a state religion. Neither you or I would ever stand for such a thing, it is tyranny, and on that point we agree completely.
And yes, we were "given" something in that our representatives chose to not impose a monarchy on us, but did the right thing by opting for a free republic.
The only thing 'dangerous' are ignoramuses like yourself who know absolutely nothing about how this nation was founded. It certainly did not get founded on 'socialism' that's for sure. It was founded upon moral principles that make it very difficult for tyrants to hide or collude. The only way tyranny could have its time with us for 150years was through the corruption of our currency and because we supposedly owed the Crown a loan that could never be paid back b/c of usury!
Attitudes like yours are certainly not 'American'. They are more 'old world' thinking that allows you to believe that debauchery in all its forms is just fine...in Europe it is. It is the nature of your programming that will attract your own destruction.
Many of our founding fathers were NOT agnostic, they were christians or Masons.
They had prayer at every meeting, our money has reference to God, they left God out of things because it was implied because most of them believed in him. Hello, people came to this country to rpacrice their religion. Now they no longer pray, have the ten commandements posted etc so sad.
You are right and the Capitol Bldg. was used as a place of Christian Prayer and Worship before it was used as The House. There are many more things to learn about our Christian Heritage and how our country was built upon Christian Principals by many Christians (Amost ever one were at least theists...)
Its called 'legal activism' when lawyers attempt to read their own interpretation into legislation. This is a similar process in which a sectional political interests are trying to gaake ownership of foundational
One must understand the philosophy of liberty before one can understand the structure of our republic and the meaning of the constitution. Most of our laws on the federal level are unconstitutional. Including some of the amendments. To understand liberty one must understand good vs. evil at it's most fundamental level. Our totally federally controlled schools do not teach the philosophy of liberty nor does our society recognize evil. We are doomed to fall like the Romans.
"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
~Cleon Skousen taking the Mormon Oath of Vengeance against America
@TLydon007 Then read the FIRST principle!!.. You have a problem with the timing..namely, when the Founding Fathers were writing the Constitution Mormonism was not even around at that point.. You are so negative on the subject.. you cant even see through all the bull that you are advocating. Chow... i wont waste another second with the likes of your dribble.
@TLydon007 Then read the FIRST principle!!.. You have a problem with the timing..namely, when the Founding Fathers were writing the Constitution Mormonism was not even around at that point.. You are so negative on the subject.. you cant even see through all the bull that you are advocating. Chow... i wont waste another second with the likes of your dribble.
Cleon Skousen is right!! Lets be a Muslim Country! Or a Mormon Country?? First one makes more sense since they don't take an Oath of Vengeance, though..
Nevermind, lets just be a secular country and ignore all the lies that came from Cleon Skousen and his assclown protege Glenn Beck....
Thank goodness our Founding Fathers were Enlightenment individuals who wrote a Constitution and a Bill of Rights free of the man-made concepts of a god. Most of our Forefathers were secular humanists who recognized the dangers of entangling government with the false virtues of blind faith. That is why there is no mention of a god, let alone the Christian faiths, in our founding legal documents. Keep that church-state wall very, very high.
@FaganRobertsThe First Amendment :"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;or abridging the freedom of speech,or of the press;or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." NO such thing as separation of church and state.Thomas Jefferson in a personal letter referred to that amendment to separate the government from interfering with religious practice.READ the truth!
@juda4praise In order to uphold the government establishment clause whilst recognizing the freedom of religion clause, how can this right be excercised, based upon these two overiding aspects inherent in the 1st Amendment, without an implied existence of a strict high wall of separation between church and state as it's core fundamental principle? (Please inform me?)
@FaganRoberts Quite simply Govt does NOT rule religious establishment with regard to worshiping God.That is the wall to stop govt from telling Christians how and where they can worship. If you read ALL the documents the "church" they are referring to is Judeo-Christian. Jesus Christ followers. Sorry if that messes with your beliefs or "feelings" but people came from England to worship Jesus Christ freely without govt restraints. All this information is easy to obtain if you really want to know
@juda4praise Again s-l-o-w-l-y........ how can you maintain the right to worship or prohibit the establishment of a state religion without that "wall of separation between church and state?" Why would Thomas Jefferson, a non-Christian deist, state such a thing when referencing the underlying principle behind the 1st Amendment?
Hint! Google "Treaty of Tripoli" and get back to me.
@FaganRoberts C a n y o u u n d e r s t a n d E n g l i s h?? Have you read Jefferson's writings? Do you know what he did? Do your homework. And if you can't understand the wall to separate the GOVT from dictating to the church then you're on your own... I can't help you.
@juda4praise If you state there is NO "wall of separation between church and state." That this principle does not exist in the 1st Amendment, then by sheer consequence, you seem to be advocating that the church can dictate precepts to the state or interfere with said State, or that the State can recognize certain religions (ie your Christianity). This wall protects both entities from each other. Can you not understand the entire reason for this (finally, you admitted!) separation?
@juda4praise The Amendment was designed to protect ALL religions. From government interfering with religion as well as to keep ALL religions from interfering in the affairs of a Constitutionally secular government. There is nary one word of a particular religion mentioned in the 1st Amendment and you know it. Sometimes, my friend, just because you believe in something really really hard doesn't necessarily make it so.
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Not very many people have read the words written by our founding fathers. We listen to what others "think".I challenge anyone who doesn't believe our founders were Christ following people to read THEIR own words. Our country has been blessed beyond any other in such a short period of time. Why? because this country was founded on biblical foundations. The United States is unlike any other country.Huge reason for that.As we abandon our foundations we will be like any other country.
@juda4praise Our Constitution and Bill of Rights fails to even mention your god(s). We were not founded on religious principles. Our nation was founded on secular humanist, Enlightenment principles. Not on Bronze Age biblical mythology. I urge you to stop spreading misinformation.
@juda4praise Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his God, that he owes acct. to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of govt. reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole Amer. people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church & state
This book (The 5,000 Year Leap) should be required reading by ALL high school students before they graduate! The benefits from such a requirement would be immense. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD READ THIS BOOK!!!
How about the "freedom" to not worship christian gods? How about the "freedom" to marry who you want? How about the "freedom" of not having government involved in any aspect of a citizens daily life? How about the "freedom" to reject these so called principles.
@KingScuzzo You have the freedom to not worship any god of your choosing. Just remember who's house (country) you are in and remember you also have the freedom to leave if you don't like it. there are plenty of places (countries) where you will fit in just fine. Do they have the same "TOLLERANCE" principals as America? You have the freedom to marry who you want! What you intentionaly refuse to realize is Marriage is a religious term. Heterosexual's unity is ordained by GOD, not homosexuality!
@Saxxyman Very simple.....love the sinner hate the sin! Do you actualy think Jesus would condone and go along with sin? I think not! I'm not judging anyone so don't put words in my mouth. How about reading and comprehending?
@Saxxyman Marriage is also a legal term in the United States. You can be legally married with the exact same marital rights as anyone else and be an atheist and be married in court. Homosexuals should have that same right, as this is a country of religius freedom, with an establishment clause that haults congress from making any law that respects an establishment of religion.
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One need only know a few things to become a good person and be able to discharge his duty to support and defend the constitution. What is pain, what is trust and what is covet. All else is rational and hinges upon the inexplicable creation of those few things/ emotions. To never harm another intentionally is the crux of all law.
@olboney1 - True - The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights are fundamental in our country's ability to maintain its pursuance of liberty, prosperity, and freedom. However, the founding fathers also knew that if 'principals' changed, or the mindset of the people's elected officials, that the Constitution could be usurped. This is evident in the 16th amendment, created by central bankers who lobbied for the Federal Reserve (passed in 1913). The Great Depression was to come soon thereafter.
It seems that the constitution was founded on princicples that come from God. Freedom is a key term. Seems that now a days the founding fathers look more and more like terrorists and religous fools. Maybe why our country is falling apart. We have deviated so far from the constitution that its hard to say we will ever go back to it. I support the constitution and freedom. Thumbs up
@Origin305 It seems that "god" is no where mentioned in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Let alone Christianity or the bible. Our principles come from the laws of nature and are recognized as rights by men.
The "Creator" is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and "Supreme Judge of the World", and was used under the premise of Natural Law philosophy. I feel and think it is appropriate to invoke the name of God in a political setting, but to promote any singular religious point of view or form of worship is not.
The U.S.A is a Republic Democracy, blended government principles based on the Roman Republic as well as Greek States. The advancement of the Constitution above other government philosophies revolves around the protection of human rights, insulation from government interference and the strong defense of a nation. Separation of Church and State correctly infers the separating of "religious" influence in government, not to the exclusion of Natural Law where the recognition of a "Creator" applies.
Actually, the USA was founded as a Constitutional Republic, governed by the rule of rightful law!. Nowhere within the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independence, does the word "democracy" appear. The democratic process was simply for the purpose of electing officials. Many people don't know that "democracy" is mentioned & loved much within the "Communist Manifesto". Our authoritarian rulers have "brainwashed" voters into believing that they possess the rightful power to
demand taxation monies from me, on every occasion in which I purchase cigarettes. It is through such brainwashing, in combination with democracy, that the authoritarian rulers beguile the people into permitting the government to possess powers which "we the people" do not possess. The instituted government was never supposed to possess greater power than the power possessed by "we the people".
The founders never intended to insulate government from the influence of Christianity. To the contrary,
they spoke plenty of the need for Christianity, within both the government & the people, in order for liberty, prosperity & the republic to flourish. Amongst the first 4 Presidents, it is generally understood that the 1st two, Washington & Adams, were definitely Christians & wrote plenty to prove it. The 2nd two, Jefferson & Madison are usually perceived to have been more secular minded & even in opposition to religion. However, never has the US government ever been nearer to being the church
@Chuichupachichi Funny that need is not included in the Constitution of the U.S. And in fact their are few references of a need for "Christianity" from the founding fathers to keep our liberty. I would love to see a reference to those claims.
On their search engine type; "religion and the founding of the American Republic".
Read Articles 1 - 7
What's not funny is that although the 1st amendment definitely mentions religion & protects it, while nowhere is there any mention of a mandated secularism or atheism. Still, precisely due to people like yourself, has the support for such things been found.
@Chuichupachichi The constitution only mentions religion to say that "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"...this part means that the government can't make any laws regarding religion, meaning religion can't be involved in government. The other part..."or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" protects the exercise of religion without the government being involved. One can not interact witht he other.
@Chuichupachichi Since no religion is mandated in the constitution, and religion is not neccesary for law, then that means that the government is secular by defenition. There is no mandated atheism, and standing up for the constitution does not endorse atheism, that is you and yours creating an agenda.
@Chuichupachichi Been looking through those articles and I have yet to see anything that shows a need for christianity in our government or why it is necessary for government to run.
than during their combined 16 yrs in office. J. Madison continued with the practices initiated by T.Jefferson of having Sunday church services every week within any one of either the House of Representatives, The Treasury or the Supreme Court chambers. Following this precedence, the President did it again during the years immediately after the Civil War. The House of Representatives held the largest church congregation in the country. Do you think we've been lied to... just a bit?
@Chuichupachichi Doesn't matter that was a convention of the time. It is written into the constitution that Congress shall not ESTABLISH or PROHIBIT religion. These words are what separate us from fundamentalist regimes.
@KingScuzzo Congress has never established or prohibited Religion, but are currently engaguged in intefering with Christian values. This country was founded by Christians, for the purpose to be free from religious persecution. There are countries where other religions are the main cultural influence. They all were fought for and preserved by it's citizens. Perhaps the homosexual community should go conquer their own land for their own values. Can't please everyone and neither should you try.
@Saxxyman What is your hang up with homosexuals? Why would you care who someone loves? These days I almost hate to admit it, but I am a Christian. Perhaps you should take a closer look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, especially his views on tolerance. If Christ came back today you would call him a socialist hippie and ask him to leave your country. Judge not... right or did you forget that line.
@Saxxyman Not all of the founders were Christians, many were deists. But it doesn't matter because marriage in the United States doesn't require a religion of any kind, I could be married in court right now by an atheist judge and have the same rights as any other married couple in the US. Certain christians are interfering with the rights of other U.S. citizens, not the other way around, they could be married in a court and have nothing to do with your religion.
@masterfushi89 Many of the founders were in fact not deists. There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. 29 held seminary degrees and were pastors, the rest were all religious. It's well-documented in their writings. But let's assume you're correct. Please provide the list of which ones were deists and the evidence supporting that claim. I'll be waiting. . . likely for eternity.
@79Janosik Seminary degrees are not the same then as pastors, that means they went to seminary "school" they were not ordained ministers, only two of the signers were.
@79Janosik Thomas Jefferson was a deist, he wrote the Jefferson Bible taking out the divinity of Jesus Christ in the process, he was not a Christian in that since.
Benjamin Franklin: ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
@masterfushi89 Benjamin Rush was proclaimed by John adams as one of the 3 most important founding fathers. Benjamin Rush is known for the Benjamin Rush Bible which was the first mass-produced Bible in America. He started the Sunday School. . . doesn't sound like a deist to me.
@79Janosik Irrelevent, I didn't say anything about Benjamin Rush, I'm sure he was just as important as your argument needed him to be. I wonder if he was one of the majority who denied Ben Franklins prayer request?
@masterfushi89 Jefferson and Franklin were the two least religious of the founding fathers. Why are they emphasized so much today? Deconstructionism is the answer. That's a word describing the method of teaching whereby you over-emphasize the exception to the rule to distort history. Still, Jefferson attended public service in the Capitol for years. He sent christian missionaries to the Native Americans using Federal funding.
@79Janosik James Madison: "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
@masterfushi89 Where is separation of Church and State referred to in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, or even in the abolished Articles of Confederation? The answer is NOWHERE! It first pops up in Jeffersons' letter in 1802, but it is not even a Constitutional principle. Freedom of relgion is a Constitutional principle, separation of Church and State is not.
@masterfushi89 The bondage Madison refers to is when you have a theocracy, such as was experienced in England for centuries. Why do you think the pilgrims came to the new world? James wasn't indicating that all religion or any belief in a Christian God is bondage. And I agree with Madison and Jefferson that a state sponsored religion is not what we are after. But to take the other extreme and say that religion can't be mentioned in any public forum is ridiculous.
@79Janosik James Madison and George Washington are believed to be as well. I would love to post links to half a dozen pages that reference specific quotes and actions but I am not able to in youtube comments.
Not quite an eternity. How about the list of ministers or pastors. It is arguable how religious even the Christians were. But regardless, if they wanted religion in government, maybe they should have mentioned that.
@masterfushi89 I agree with you that Jefferson and Ben Franklin were probably deists. George Washington was most definitely not. You need to read George Washington's Scared Fire if you believe that he was a deist. I can reference and quote just as many quotations which indicate the vast majority of the founders were not deists. Ben Franklin may have "become a thorough" deist at one point in his life, but he was the one calling for prayer on the floor of the Constitutional Convention.
@79Janosik When he was thoroughly denied by the majority of people present? Would that be the time you refer? You can read a book by a man with an agenda all you want. There are also books about how we didn't land on the moon, and how the holocaust didn't happen and that space alien lizards run the country behind closed doors. George Washingtons's actual writing very frequently challenge Christianity. Also, you are aware deists don't deny God right?
@masterfushi89 I have never denied the holocaust or denied the moon landing. The debate was whether the founding fathers were deists. A deist believes in God, and believes that God is not involved and does not interfere or interact in the affairs of mankind. This is why deists are often cited as believing in a "clockmaker" God, who "wound up" the universe, and is not just letting it play out without any intervention.
@masterfushi89 There is no doubt that many of the founding fathers challenged christianity and especially the Anglican Church or established religion. That doesn't mean they were deists. Your points don't even support your original claim. The quotes and stories I posted were merely to suggest there is plenty of evidence indicating the founding fathers weren't deists, which was your original statement, and the statement that sparked this debate.
@masterfushi89 Jefferson appears to have been a deist. Ben Franklin seems to have vascilated on religion his entire life. If he was a deist who believed in clockmaker God, why was he calling for prayer at the Constitutional Convention? Washington was ABSOLUTELY no deist. Read George Washington's Sacred Fire. Do you also propse that Sam Adams, John Adams, Benjamin Rush, and many, many others were deists? That's laughable.
@79Janosik "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." -John Adams
Oh yeah, that doesn't sound like a deist at all.
". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind." - John Adam
@masterfushi89 John Adams wrote that the general principles on which the nation was founded were the same general principles of Christianity. A belief in Christ and Christianity runs contrary to deism.
@masterfushi89 Charles Carroll was the last signor of the Declaration of Independence to pass away. Before his death he wrote: "On the merits of salvation I rely . . . not on the works. . . in obedience to His precepts. . . I am grateful to Almighty God for the blessings conferred upon my country." Does that sound like a Deist?
@masterfushi89 William Rogers was the pastor who prayed over the Constitutional Convention based upon the appeal by Benjamin Franklin. Why would a bunch of deists who believe in an uninvolved clockmaker God, appeal to Him for help, when their supposed deists beliefs would run contrary to the very notion that he would intervene on their behalf?
@79Janosik "There can be no legitimate government but what is administered by the Holy Ghost." ~John Adams
Actually John Adams was mocking that mindset, this is what he said right after, in reference to the above belief.
"Although this is all Artifice and Cunning in the secret original in the heart, yet they all believe it so sincerely that they would lay down their Lives under the Ax or the fiery Fagot for it. Alas the poor weak ignorant Dupe human Nature."
@masterfushi89 I've done a lot of reading and not books by people with agendas. Again the original argument you made was that most of the founding fathers were deists. You're wrong on that point. Now you want to shift the argument to whether they were Christian or whether they believed in organized religion. At this point, their writings are really to vague for us to know the most sincere depths of their hearts regarding religion, so the debate to me is over. They weren't all deists.
@79Janosik Actually the original argument stemmed from you saying the vast majority were Christians and I said that many were deists, I would consider 6 or 7 of the most well known and timeless of the founding fathers, including the first presidents to be pretty close to that. I got a very "they were all good christian vibe" from your post. My bad.
@masterfushi89 There were over 1400 National Days of Prayer And Fasting, or National Days of Prayer and Thanksgiving authorized by Congress by the year 1815. Again, why would deists attempt to appeal to God for help?
@79Janosik Do national days of prayer insinuate the Christian religion? As I thought other religions prayed as well. Meaning this was a day left for all to practice their religious freedom in the U.S. What's your point?
@masterfushi89 Again the argument wasn't whether they are Christian or what Christian sect they belong to, it's about whether they were deists. My point was valid. Why would those who believe in a non-intervening God seek to invoke His help through prayer? It's a very valid point disproving your original argument that "most founding fathers were deists". It's time for you to recant on your statment that most of them were deists.
@79Janosik I never said most were deists, I said many. And I don't think envoking prayer says anything, you can't doubt that Franklin described himelf as a deist. End of story. I don't recant statements I don't make.
@masterfushi89 Jefferson may have been a deist, but he borrowed the entire Declaration of Independence from the writings of John Locke. John Locke's Two Treatises of Government are the bases for the Declaration of Independence. Locke's treatises cite the Bible over 1,500 times to explain the proper role of God in government.
@79Janosik He got a lot from Thomas Paine, who was quite the opposite as well. But it's actually irrelevent because most philosophy got it's roots from the greek school of thought, which was pagan. So how far back do you want to go? They even laid the foundations for a republic.
@masterfushi89 That's right! John Locke, Montesquie, Voltair, and many others, can trace some of their philosophies back to the Romans, most notably Marcus Tullius Cicero (I recommend you read his works if you haven't). Also, it traces back to Aristotle and Plato on the Greek side. Much of the framework for the founding fathers' ideas on government and a republic comes from those great ancient thinkers. Still. . . the ORIGINAL ARGUMENT. . . that doesn't prove they're deists.
@79Janosik No, but your argument didn't disprove those that are considered to be. It was just, "So and so got their ideas from a Christian" and I am countering that saying "well that Christian could very well get his ideas from a pagan" I didn't initiate that part of the argument.
@masterfushi89 On the lighter side, masterfushi89, I think that you and I are the type of people who could go to lunch and have a great conversation together. I've appreciated your comments. You were very far from persuading me that the founding fathers were deists. That's because they weren't. I wish you the very best in life an all you do!
@79Janosik Same here, I would completely agree that you seem very interested in actually having a conversation and not try to just stick it to me. Best of luck to you as well.
@masterfushi89 Jefferson signed many of his documents with "in the year of our Lord Christ". Pretty good, considering deists don't believe in Christ. Most other founders like Adams, Madison, and Washington singed their documents simply: "in the year of our Lord".
@Saxxyman: Many of the founders were in fact not deists. There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. 29 held seminary degrees and were pastors, the rest were all religious. It's well-documented in their writings. But let's assume you're correct. Please provide the list of which ones were deists and the evidence supporting that claim. I'll be waiting. . . likely for eternity.
Why must we be a Republic? Freedom can eist in a Monarchy, which I find preferable. Also,it says Gods Laws shoudl revail, yet God never established a Republic.
@ZARIYL and who might choose your monarch? Upon passing the monarchy would it be a danger should the heir/ heiress be a psychologically afflicted as was Adolf Hitler, Julius Cesar or any number of rulers that had decided death was the simplest method of maintaining popularity?
@Holly1389 "Separation of Church and State? Please"
ME TOO! This video appears to be slanted toward a religiosity having NOTHING to do with the Constitution and ALL about religious control over our government, the OPPOSITE of what America's founders intended. Today's Religious Right would like to ban abortion and force their narrow belief system down our throats in many other ways, and that is the OPPOSITE of the Constitution's guarantee of personal freedom and liberty. Shitcan this video.
To be honest, the reason for the Sep of Church and State wasnt to protect the State from Religious intervention, but to prevent the State from controling what people beleived by cintrolling the Churches. They had no concept of the odern Reigious Right tryign to control the Government.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights is what our country was built upon. It was working fine and the Great Depression would have happened regardless. Why did we change something that works? I can't help but think of the old adage, "Don't fix something that ain't broke!"
@olboney1 The founding fathers built a government that has an incredible ability to change with the times. As they knew very well that things weren't going to stay the same forever, we have built upon their original work, but I doubt anyone would argue against freeing slaves and establishing equal rights through further law. Because while the constitution endorsed equality, many of the men who wrote it had slaves until they died. Change happens, and a strong nation should remain relevant.
This reminds me of 'Godly Minds, Bold Hearts,' a cult classic book that has become highly collectible but not talked of much in the mainstream. (Both books together are dynamite power & knowledge!) Neither book themes that America can be separated from her belief in God. Liberals put forth that our rights come from gov't so that they can control us and rights given us. I'd rather live in a country, our country, who knows gov't cannot take away rights given to us because they come from God.
@Holly1389 you do realize it wasn't the original intent to have biblical principles banned from government right? The phrase "separation of Church and State" meant that the Government could not interfere with the body of the church. The constitution puts very few restrictions on the church, yet many restrictions on the Government. And by no interference in the church, I mean outside of basic laws of the land. If the government read and applied the 10 commandments, would that be bad?
@Holly1389 "Separation of Church and State? Please"
ME TOO! This video appears to be slanted toward a religiosity having NOTHING to do with the Constitution and ALL about religious control over our government, the OPPOSITE of what America's founders intended. Today's Religious Right would like to ban abortion and force their narrow belief system down our throats in many other ways, and that is the OPPOSITE of the Constitution's guarantee of personal freedom and liberty. Shitcan this video.
It would seem that you know very little of what the founders originally intended by the way imply that they would actually go for killing kids in the womb. You cannot see through your own hypocrisy, by the way you libtards have been forcing your narrow humanistic world-view down everyone else's throat.
Maybe try reading this book or some other book on the founding fathers with some facts in it and keep you're delusional drivel to yourself (:
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"All men are created equal" That is the biggest false statement. Not all have rights to freedom, the pursuit of happiness and liberty either. Not all are given those rights. It should say all spirits are created equal. So an Ethiopian with no legs born in Ethiopia is born equal to me in the United States?? Silliness. Some famous quotes are about as communistic as they can get....
You obviously don't get the statement. It means we are all entitled to the same freedom and rights no matter what race, religion or background. It doesn't mean that because he was born in Ethiopia with no arms or legs is the same as you born in America, healthy.
Regarding our rights coming from God; the point is that our rights are our rights because we are human, and not because we created some government. As it goes: that to protect these rights, governments are instituted among men. We need to return to a republic where we will have equality under the law. A republic is only a republic if you keep it that way. If you don't watch closely it turns into a democracy. Every democracy in history has turned into tyranny.
If you read the constitution, you will realize that we have 2 rights regarding religion. Freedom of and freedom from. We have lost our way any no one has freedom from religion any more. Religion has a lot broader meaning than just what denomination you are. It can be any belief that someone or some group holds to strongly.
It's strange to me how religious types see no conflict between their claimed belief in freedom and their wish for their religious rules to be imposed on everyone else, or their belief in equality and the cr*p way they treat those less empowered than themselves such as women or those who look different or have less money.There's got to be more to an ethical belief system that being willing to dismount from your horse and look all serious while internalising a chat with an imaginary friend.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have." ...Such is the historical pattern of atheistic secularist amoral Totalitarian rule (from the Feudalist Lords; to the Marxists; to the National Socialists - the Nazis; to the present Progressive Liberals and Neo-Cons - which happily cohabit the various committees of the Council on Foreign Relations) who will ALWAYS promise 'security' yet deliver a theft of freedom, mass-murder and slavery!
What amazes me about the plot that is unfolding before our eyes is that it is going perfectly along w/ the script(ures). The arrogance of the cabal - the avaricious elitist oligarchy - that seek to enslave all men under the guise of secularism and collectivist redistribution (manipulatively turning men into coerced subservient heads of cattle - who no longer value their economic freedom, constitutional liberties or divinely endowed rights) is incomparable. Their narcissism knows no bounds!
Seek firs to understand, then to be understood. People, do your homework before you waste your time and others with so little of substance. Read the book. Read the Constitution. read the Bible.
ummm, nope, constitutionally, we're the first most secular nation in the world. No religion is either endorsed nor prohibited by our government. therefore our government is neutral in its stance with religion. It does not support any particular religion more than the other, in the constitutions eyes, Islam, and Christianity are pretty much the same thing. Remember that the founding father's we're escaping a theocracy. An example of modern day theocracy the likes you describe would be Iran
Think of the 120 million people killed from communism. The top people telling the people they deserve more, and all the stuff the government can give. 120 million people later the liberals are still saying the same thing and in the end it always ends in violence. Learn history and you can see the future. Stop liberals that are in office and return to the constitution.
Religion is not forced by the goverment therefor you have the rigth to beleive what ever you want if any but the nations stands one nation under god and the need of a religion in a goverment is needed to the politicaly correct arguments are supressed with Morality and morality has no specific religion but it is a very Christian beleive. you dont have to beleive it the nation was founded on it you have to respect it remember thas one miniscule reason why you can write here today!!!!
Passing on their debts to the next generation would be forcing the children of the future to be born into a certain amount of bondage or involuntary servitude - something for which they had neither voted nor subscribed. It would be, in a very literal sense, "taxation without representation."
from The 5000 Year Leap by W. Cleon Skousen on the Founding Fathers principle of Avoiding the Burden of Debt
The religion arguements are nice but your right end where mine begin. If you want to be a christian great but do not force your beliefs on me. I actually like my job and would not mind working on December 25th.
Religion is not forced by the goverment therefor you have the rigth to beleive what ever you want if any but the nations stands one nation under god and the need of a religion in a goverment is needed to the politicaly correct arguments are supressed with Morality and morality has no specific religion but it is a very Christian beleive. you dont have to beleive it the nation was founded on it you have to respect it remember thas one miniscule reason why you can write here today!!!!
@appledroplarry ch takes you to Goodness and make things right remember the things that are actually bad on any society God wrote thousands of years ago and till today no matter whatt country it is the bad things to do are still bad!!!
Christianity never will be a part of the common law.
The Constitution of the United States is so POWERFUL because it lacks the infringement of a religion; EVERYONE has a choice of religious beliefs, or the lack of it in America and that is what made it great.
Why the FUCK would the American fight off CHRISTIAN Red Coats to be Christian themselves? Fucking flawed.
Wake the fuck up, America, before your minds are put to sleep for real by this religious hypocricy.
Seems very convenient that the Christian God has somehow replaced The Deist, Naturist and Humanist Deity in this new Theocratic Movement. Christianity is by Doctrine Theocratic Communism!!! Keep you Religion out of the Country where Liberty Reigns above all!
This is awesome. Thank you for making it!
vaisforlibery 1 month ago
You are quite a piece of religious work. I'd suggest you turn the other cheek but you show too many faces as it is.
TheOleProfessor 1 month ago
The author, or littleiamful, whichever this person might be, is apparently as ignorant of manners as of facts and true knowledge and critical thinking. Why does this not surprise me?
TheOleProfessor 4 months ago
@TheOleProfessor Take your ad hominem comment and look in the mirror.
ibsd 2 months ago
As for Julius Caesar, I do not know why you think he was a blood thirsty Tyrant whos prefered method of maintaining popularity was Death. Julius Caesar only killed peopel on the Battlefeild, never in civic life, and was beloved in ROme precicely because he wss so generious. You can't name an example of anyone hwo had killed to maintain popularity.
How would Julius Caesar be a bad Monarch?
ZARIYL 5 months ago 2
Sory this took a while, I seldom use Youtube, but to answer up, if you think the old "If the heir is a nutcase" argument works, pleae consider your examples more carefully. Adolph Hitler was duely elected and was the product of Democracy. He proves that elected Leaders aren't always good.
ZARIYL 5 months ago
That they are endowed by their "Creator," not "God." The two terms were not synonymous then, as they are not now. There was a reason the word "Creator" was used and not Yahweh or Jehovah or Jesus. And just where in the Constitution does it talk about the family? We see through your "make my church the President" game.
TheOleProfessor 5 months ago
@TheOleProfessor ....yawn
littleiamful 4 months ago
This is a confused mix of biblical theory, constitutional misunderstanding, and occasionally bad English, with pet ideas thrown into the mix and labeled as "constitutional." Critical thinking could help here a lot. As would a good book on grammar. In the end it looks like just another commercial to sell another book.
TheOleProfessor 5 months ago
This is a confused mix of biblical theory, constitutional misunderstanding, and occasionally bad English, with pet ideas thrown into the mix and labeled as "constitutional." Critical thinking could help here a lot. As would a good book on grammar.
TheOleProfessor 5 months ago
@Ultranothing: No thanks; not interested in theocratic fascism.
luvzgb 6 months ago
Theocratic fascism wrapped in the flag, pages of the Bible and the Constitution. What a pile of crap. Dangerous crap though.
luvzgb 7 months ago
@luvzgb That "theocratic crap" is what the people who produced the greatest free civilization known on earth based this nation on; and guess what? It worked.
stevereedtv 7 months ago
@luvzgb The founders could have established a theocracy, dictatorship, monarchy or whatever they wanted. Funny how it was a group of mostly Christians that formed a nation where people of all faiths or persuasions could believe as they chose. How is that fascism?
That "dangerous crap" is what is allowing you to sit at a computer right now to express your opinion. If we had been given a monarchy, we would probably be commenting via snail mail right now.
stevereedtv 7 months ago
@stevereedtv Oh yeah, just like they're "commenting" in England right now! Thanks for englightening me on that point! And we were not "given" anything, we fought for it. And if you like what you saw, and you want to see more of how great life is in a theocracy, which is what this clip espouses, go and spend a few days in a place like Iran or perhaps Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. Even better, make sure you spend your time there as a woman - you will absolutely love what religion has done to them.
luvzgb 7 months ago
@luvzgb Nobody is espousing that we create a theocracy. The founding fathers said that the government they created works best with a moral and religious people, but NEVER advocated the establishment of a state religion. Neither you or I would ever stand for such a thing, it is tyranny, and on that point we agree completely.
And yes, we were "given" something in that our representatives chose to not impose a monarchy on us, but did the right thing by opting for a free republic.
stevereedtv 7 months ago
@luvzgb Sounds like you should read the book.
Ultranothing 6 months ago
@luvzgb
The only thing 'dangerous' are ignoramuses like yourself who know absolutely nothing about how this nation was founded. It certainly did not get founded on 'socialism' that's for sure. It was founded upon moral principles that make it very difficult for tyrants to hide or collude. The only way tyranny could have its time with us for 150years was through the corruption of our currency and because we supposedly owed the Crown a loan that could never be paid back b/c of usury!
Indexanimisermo 6 months ago
@luvzgb
Attitudes like yours are certainly not 'American'. They are more 'old world' thinking that allows you to believe that debauchery in all its forms is just fine...in Europe it is. It is the nature of your programming that will attract your own destruction.
Indexanimisermo 6 months ago
Many of our founding fathers were NOT agnostic, they were christians or Masons.
They had prayer at every meeting, our money has reference to God, they left God out of things because it was implied because most of them believed in him. Hello, people came to this country to rpacrice their religion. Now they no longer pray, have the ten commandements posted etc so sad.
vhilton40000 8 months ago
@vhilton40000 ~
You are right and the Capitol Bldg. was used as a place of Christian Prayer and Worship before it was used as The House. There are many more things to learn about our Christian Heritage and how our country was built upon Christian Principals by many Christians (Amost ever one were at least theists...)
imaginarythings 7 months ago
America is like Germany. America killed indians. Germany killed jews. There is no difference. Both countries are guilty forever.
forenschwafler 8 months ago
Its called 'legal activism' when lawyers attempt to read their own interpretation into legislation. This is a similar process in which a sectional political interests are trying to gaake ownership of foundational
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Cioppa182 1 year ago
One must understand the philosophy of liberty before one can understand the structure of our republic and the meaning of the constitution. Most of our laws on the federal level are unconstitutional. Including some of the amendments. To understand liberty one must understand good vs. evil at it's most fundamental level. Our totally federally controlled schools do not teach the philosophy of liberty nor does our society recognize evil. We are doomed to fall like the Romans.
nearkolob 1 year ago
The 5000 Year Leap!!! Great book, have read it half a dozen times. I think it should be on the curriculum for all those in High school.
spydey550 1 year ago
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"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
~Cleon Skousen taking the Mormon Oath of Vengeance against America
TLydon007 1 year ago
@TLydon007 Then read the FIRST principle!!.. You have a problem with the timing..namely, when the Founding Fathers were writing the Constitution Mormonism was not even around at that point.. You are so negative on the subject.. you cant even see through all the bull that you are advocating. Chow... i wont waste another second with the likes of your dribble.
spydey550 1 year ago
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@TLydon007 Then read the FIRST principle!!.. You have a problem with the timing..namely, when the Founding Fathers were writing the Constitution Mormonism was not even around at that point.. You are so negative on the subject.. you cant even see through all the bull that you are advocating. Chow... i wont waste another second with the likes of your dribble.
spydey550 1 year ago
Cleon Skousen is right!! Lets be a Muslim Country! Or a Mormon Country?? First one makes more sense since they don't take an Oath of Vengeance, though..
Nevermind, lets just be a secular country and ignore all the lies that came from Cleon Skousen and his assclown protege Glenn Beck....
TLydon008 1 year ago
@TLydon008 Its apparent you do not have a clue what is in the book. Read it first so your not hanging your....as you put ....clown out there
spydey550 1 year ago
@spydey550
"Its apparent you do not have a clue what is in the book."
Let me take a guess.. A bunch of word games that seemingly reveal that our forefathers wanted a Christian Theocracy but never said it directly???
Hmmm.. Maybe some selective quotations that seem to convince morons that economic inequality will always make everyone richer.(especially Skouse)
And perhaps Brigham Young's Oath of Vengeance against the US for killing Joseph Smith??(Just kidding.. Skouse kept that a secret)
TLydon008 1 year ago
@spydey550
" Many of our Founders were agnostic, maybe aetheist. The one thing they all understood is the NATURAL laws of the universe.."
I think principle number 5 in the book disagrees with you there,,
TLydon008 1 year ago
Inspiring. Thank you.
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fartonmeee 1 year ago
@fartonmeee Wrong. Get your facts right.
SomeKindOfMonster32 1 year ago
One nation under a god? One nation under a spell.
Thank goodness our Founding Fathers were Enlightenment individuals who wrote a Constitution and a Bill of Rights free of the man-made concepts of a god. Most of our Forefathers were secular humanists who recognized the dangers of entangling government with the false virtues of blind faith. That is why there is no mention of a god, let alone the Christian faiths, in our founding legal documents. Keep that church-state wall very, very high.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRobertsThe First Amendment :"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;or abridging the freedom of speech,or of the press;or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." NO such thing as separation of church and state.Thomas Jefferson in a personal letter referred to that amendment to separate the government from interfering with religious practice.READ the truth!
juda4praise 1 year ago
@juda4praise In order to uphold the government establishment clause whilst recognizing the freedom of religion clause, how can this right be excercised, based upon these two overiding aspects inherent in the 1st Amendment, without an implied existence of a strict high wall of separation between church and state as it's core fundamental principle? (Please inform me?)
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts Quite simply Govt does NOT rule religious establishment with regard to worshiping God.That is the wall to stop govt from telling Christians how and where they can worship. If you read ALL the documents the "church" they are referring to is Judeo-Christian. Jesus Christ followers. Sorry if that messes with your beliefs or "feelings" but people came from England to worship Jesus Christ freely without govt restraints. All this information is easy to obtain if you really want to know
juda4praise 1 year ago
@juda4praise Again s-l-o-w-l-y........ how can you maintain the right to worship or prohibit the establishment of a state religion without that "wall of separation between church and state?" Why would Thomas Jefferson, a non-Christian deist, state such a thing when referencing the underlying principle behind the 1st Amendment?
Hint! Google "Treaty of Tripoli" and get back to me.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts C a n y o u u n d e r s t a n d E n g l i s h?? Have you read Jefferson's writings? Do you know what he did? Do your homework. And if you can't understand the wall to separate the GOVT from dictating to the church then you're on your own... I can't help you.
juda4praise 1 year ago
@juda4praise If you state there is NO "wall of separation between church and state." That this principle does not exist in the 1st Amendment, then by sheer consequence, you seem to be advocating that the church can dictate precepts to the state or interfere with said State, or that the State can recognize certain religions (ie your Christianity). This wall protects both entities from each other. Can you not understand the entire reason for this (finally, you admitted!) separation?
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts This really is as hard as you are making it. The amendment was made to protect Christianity.
juda4praise 1 year ago
@juda4praise The Amendment was designed to protect ALL religions. From government interfering with religion as well as to keep ALL religions from interfering in the affairs of a Constitutionally secular government. There is nary one word of a particular religion mentioned in the 1st Amendment and you know it. Sometimes, my friend, just because you believe in something really really hard doesn't necessarily make it so.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
with religion a government of a free people cannot be maintained. Its called a theocracy!!!
jfraas1 1 year ago
@jfraas1 So true. A priest ridden society cannot suffer freedom for very long.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
Lets Start Over! "You tread on me Radio" Join us for a gentle shoving out of the corrupt be replacing this mutanted system for the Original American system.
lonewolfmilitia 1 year ago
Not very many people have read the words written by our founding fathers. We listen to what others "think".I challenge anyone who doesn't believe our founders were Christ following people to read THEIR own words. Our country has been blessed beyond any other in such a short period of time. Why? because this country was founded on biblical foundations. The United States is unlike any other country.Huge reason for that.As we abandon our foundations we will be like any other country.
juda4praise 1 year ago
@juda4praise Our Constitution and Bill of Rights fails to even mention your god(s). We were not founded on religious principles. Our nation was founded on secular humanist, Enlightenment principles. Not on Bronze Age biblical mythology. I urge you to stop spreading misinformation.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
@FaganRoberts Just read it and keep quiet till you know what is true. Just because YOU don't know better doesn't make truth go away.
juda4praise 1 year ago
@juda4praise Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his God, that he owes acct. to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of govt. reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole Amer. people which declared that their Legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church & state
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
This book (The 5,000 Year Leap) should be required reading by ALL high school students before they graduate! The benefits from such a requirement would be immense. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD READ THIS BOOK!!!
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TedDGPoulos 1 year ago
How about the "freedom" to not worship christian gods? How about the "freedom" to marry who you want? How about the "freedom" of not having government involved in any aspect of a citizens daily life? How about the "freedom" to reject these so called principles.
KingScuzzo 1 year ago
@KingScuzzo You have the freedom to not worship any god of your choosing. Just remember who's house (country) you are in and remember you also have the freedom to leave if you don't like it. there are plenty of places (countries) where you will fit in just fine. Do they have the same "TOLLERANCE" principals as America? You have the freedom to marry who you want! What you intentionaly refuse to realize is Marriage is a religious term. Heterosexual's unity is ordained by GOD, not homosexuality!
Saxxyman 1 year ago
@Saxxyman Very simple.....love the sinner hate the sin! Do you actualy think Jesus would condone and go along with sin? I think not! I'm not judging anyone so don't put words in my mouth. How about reading and comprehending?
Saxxyman 1 year ago
@Saxxyman Marriage is also a legal term in the United States. You can be legally married with the exact same marital rights as anyone else and be an atheist and be married in court. Homosexuals should have that same right, as this is a country of religius freedom, with an establishment clause that haults congress from making any law that respects an establishment of religion.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
I got goose bumps!
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layankimbrel192 1 year ago
One need only know a few things to become a good person and be able to discharge his duty to support and defend the constitution. What is pain, what is trust and what is covet. All else is rational and hinges upon the inexplicable creation of those few things/ emotions. To never harm another intentionally is the crux of all law.
MrReadandlearn 1 year ago
@olboney1 - True - The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights are fundamental in our country's ability to maintain its pursuance of liberty, prosperity, and freedom. However, the founding fathers also knew that if 'principals' changed, or the mindset of the people's elected officials, that the Constitution could be usurped. This is evident in the 16th amendment, created by central bankers who lobbied for the Federal Reserve (passed in 1913). The Great Depression was to come soon thereafter.
TheReaganfan 1 year ago
It seems that the constitution was founded on princicples that come from God. Freedom is a key term. Seems that now a days the founding fathers look more and more like terrorists and religous fools. Maybe why our country is falling apart. We have deviated so far from the constitution that its hard to say we will ever go back to it. I support the constitution and freedom. Thumbs up
Origin305 1 year ago
@Origin305 It seems that "god" is no where mentioned in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Let alone Christianity or the bible. Our principles come from the laws of nature and are recognized as rights by men.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
The "Creator" is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and "Supreme Judge of the World", and was used under the premise of Natural Law philosophy. I feel and think it is appropriate to invoke the name of God in a political setting, but to promote any singular religious point of view or form of worship is not.
quantumtronics 1 year ago
The U.S.A is a Republic Democracy, blended government principles based on the Roman Republic as well as Greek States. The advancement of the Constitution above other government philosophies revolves around the protection of human rights, insulation from government interference and the strong defense of a nation. Separation of Church and State correctly infers the separating of "religious" influence in government, not to the exclusion of Natural Law where the recognition of a "Creator" applies.
quantumtronics 1 year ago
@quantumtronics Where is separation of Church and State mentioned in the Constitution?
brainerdrebel 1 year ago
@brainerdrebel The first amendment. Congress shall not establish or prohibit religion. In other words religion is an entity seperate from the state.
paulaegraham 1 year ago
@quantumtronics
Actually, the USA was founded as a Constitutional Republic, governed by the rule of rightful law!. Nowhere within the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independence, does the word "democracy" appear. The democratic process was simply for the purpose of electing officials. Many people don't know that "democracy" is mentioned & loved much within the "Communist Manifesto". Our authoritarian rulers have "brainwashed" voters into believing that they possess the rightful power to
Chuichupachichi 1 year ago
demand taxation monies from me, on every occasion in which I purchase cigarettes. It is through such brainwashing, in combination with democracy, that the authoritarian rulers beguile the people into permitting the government to possess powers which "we the people" do not possess. The instituted government was never supposed to possess greater power than the power possessed by "we the people".
The founders never intended to insulate government from the influence of Christianity. To the contrary,
Chuichupachichi 1 year ago
they spoke plenty of the need for Christianity, within both the government & the people, in order for liberty, prosperity & the republic to flourish. Amongst the first 4 Presidents, it is generally understood that the 1st two, Washington & Adams, were definitely Christians & wrote plenty to prove it. The 2nd two, Jefferson & Madison are usually perceived to have been more secular minded & even in opposition to religion. However, never has the US government ever been nearer to being the church
Chuichupachichi 1 year ago
@Chuichupachichi Funny that need is not included in the Constitution of the U.S. And in fact their are few references of a need for "Christianity" from the founding fathers to keep our liberty. I would love to see a reference to those claims.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89
Go to the Library of Congress website.
On their search engine type; "religion and the founding of the American Republic".
Read Articles 1 - 7
What's not funny is that although the 1st amendment definitely mentions religion & protects it, while nowhere is there any mention of a mandated secularism or atheism. Still, precisely due to people like yourself, has the support for such things been found.
Chuichupachichi 1 year ago
@Chuichupachichi The constitution only mentions religion to say that "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"...this part means that the government can't make any laws regarding religion, meaning religion can't be involved in government. The other part..."or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" protects the exercise of religion without the government being involved. One can not interact witht he other.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@Chuichupachichi Since no religion is mandated in the constitution, and religion is not neccesary for law, then that means that the government is secular by defenition. There is no mandated atheism, and standing up for the constitution does not endorse atheism, that is you and yours creating an agenda.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@Chuichupachichi Been looking through those articles and I have yet to see anything that shows a need for christianity in our government or why it is necessary for government to run.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
than during their combined 16 yrs in office. J. Madison continued with the practices initiated by T.Jefferson of having Sunday church services every week within any one of either the House of Representatives, The Treasury or the Supreme Court chambers. Following this precedence, the President did it again during the years immediately after the Civil War. The House of Representatives held the largest church congregation in the country. Do you think we've been lied to... just a bit?
Chuichupachichi 1 year ago
@Chuichupachichi Doesn't matter that was a convention of the time. It is written into the constitution that Congress shall not ESTABLISH or PROHIBIT religion. These words are what separate us from fundamentalist regimes.
KingScuzzo 1 year ago
@KingScuzzo Congress has never established or prohibited Religion, but are currently engaguged in intefering with Christian values. This country was founded by Christians, for the purpose to be free from religious persecution. There are countries where other religions are the main cultural influence. They all were fought for and preserved by it's citizens. Perhaps the homosexual community should go conquer their own land for their own values. Can't please everyone and neither should you try.
Saxxyman 1 year ago
@Saxxyman What is your hang up with homosexuals? Why would you care who someone loves? These days I almost hate to admit it, but I am a Christian. Perhaps you should take a closer look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, especially his views on tolerance. If Christ came back today you would call him a socialist hippie and ask him to leave your country. Judge not... right or did you forget that line.
KingScuzzo 1 year ago
@Saxxyman Not all of the founders were Christians, many were deists. But it doesn't matter because marriage in the United States doesn't require a religion of any kind, I could be married in court right now by an atheist judge and have the same rights as any other married couple in the US. Certain christians are interfering with the rights of other U.S. citizens, not the other way around, they could be married in a court and have nothing to do with your religion.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Many of the founders were in fact not deists. There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. 29 held seminary degrees and were pastors, the rest were all religious. It's well-documented in their writings. But let's assume you're correct. Please provide the list of which ones were deists and the evidence supporting that claim. I'll be waiting. . . likely for eternity.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik Seminary degrees are not the same then as pastors, that means they went to seminary "school" they were not ordained ministers, only two of the signers were.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@79Janosik Thomas Jefferson was a deist, he wrote the Jefferson Bible taking out the divinity of Jesus Christ in the process, he was not a Christian in that since.
Benjamin Franklin: ". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Benjamin Rush was proclaimed by John adams as one of the 3 most important founding fathers. Benjamin Rush is known for the Benjamin Rush Bible which was the first mass-produced Bible in America. He started the Sunday School. . . doesn't sound like a deist to me.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik Irrelevent, I didn't say anything about Benjamin Rush, I'm sure he was just as important as your argument needed him to be. I wonder if he was one of the majority who denied Ben Franklins prayer request?
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Jefferson and Franklin were the two least religious of the founding fathers. Why are they emphasized so much today? Deconstructionism is the answer. That's a word describing the method of teaching whereby you over-emphasize the exception to the rule to distort history. Still, Jefferson attended public service in the Capitol for years. He sent christian missionaries to the Native Americans using Federal funding.
79Janosik 1 year ago
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@79Janosik James Madison: "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Where is separation of Church and State referred to in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, or even in the abolished Articles of Confederation? The answer is NOWHERE! It first pops up in Jeffersons' letter in 1802, but it is not even a Constitutional principle. Freedom of relgion is a Constitutional principle, separation of Church and State is not.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 The bondage Madison refers to is when you have a theocracy, such as was experienced in England for centuries. Why do you think the pilgrims came to the new world? James wasn't indicating that all religion or any belief in a Christian God is bondage. And I agree with Madison and Jefferson that a state sponsored religion is not what we are after. But to take the other extreme and say that religion can't be mentioned in any public forum is ridiculous.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik James Madison and George Washington are believed to be as well. I would love to post links to half a dozen pages that reference specific quotes and actions but I am not able to in youtube comments.
Not quite an eternity. How about the list of ministers or pastors. It is arguable how religious even the Christians were. But regardless, if they wanted religion in government, maybe they should have mentioned that.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 I agree with you that Jefferson and Ben Franklin were probably deists. George Washington was most definitely not. You need to read George Washington's Scared Fire if you believe that he was a deist. I can reference and quote just as many quotations which indicate the vast majority of the founders were not deists. Ben Franklin may have "become a thorough" deist at one point in his life, but he was the one calling for prayer on the floor of the Constitutional Convention.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik When he was thoroughly denied by the majority of people present? Would that be the time you refer? You can read a book by a man with an agenda all you want. There are also books about how we didn't land on the moon, and how the holocaust didn't happen and that space alien lizards run the country behind closed doors. George Washingtons's actual writing very frequently challenge Christianity. Also, you are aware deists don't deny God right?
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 I have never denied the holocaust or denied the moon landing. The debate was whether the founding fathers were deists. A deist believes in God, and believes that God is not involved and does not interfere or interact in the affairs of mankind. This is why deists are often cited as believing in a "clockmaker" God, who "wound up" the universe, and is not just letting it play out without any intervention.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 There is no doubt that many of the founding fathers challenged christianity and especially the Anglican Church or established religion. That doesn't mean they were deists. Your points don't even support your original claim. The quotes and stories I posted were merely to suggest there is plenty of evidence indicating the founding fathers weren't deists, which was your original statement, and the statement that sparked this debate.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Jefferson appears to have been a deist. Ben Franklin seems to have vascilated on religion his entire life. If he was a deist who believed in clockmaker God, why was he calling for prayer at the Constitutional Convention? Washington was ABSOLUTELY no deist. Read George Washington's Sacred Fire. Do you also propse that Sam Adams, John Adams, Benjamin Rush, and many, many others were deists? That's laughable.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it." -John Adams
Oh yeah, that doesn't sound like a deist at all.
". . . Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind." - John Adam
How religious...
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 John Adams wrote that the general principles on which the nation was founded were the same general principles of Christianity. A belief in Christ and Christianity runs contrary to deism.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Charles Carroll was the last signor of the Declaration of Independence to pass away. Before his death he wrote: "On the merits of salvation I rely . . . not on the works. . . in obedience to His precepts. . . I am grateful to Almighty God for the blessings conferred upon my country." Does that sound like a Deist?
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 William Rogers was the pastor who prayed over the Constitutional Convention based upon the appeal by Benjamin Franklin. Why would a bunch of deists who believe in an uninvolved clockmaker God, appeal to Him for help, when their supposed deists beliefs would run contrary to the very notion that he would intervene on their behalf?
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 John Witherspoon, a founding father published the 1st Family Bible in 1791. Deist? I'm afraid not.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 "There can be no legitimate government but what is administered by the Holy Ghost." ~John Adams
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik "There can be no legitimate government but what is administered by the Holy Ghost." ~John Adams
Actually John Adams was mocking that mindset, this is what he said right after, in reference to the above belief.
"Although this is all Artifice and Cunning in the secret original in the heart, yet they all believe it so sincerely that they would lay down their Lives under the Ax or the fiery Fagot for it. Alas the poor weak ignorant Dupe human Nature."
Somebody didn't do their homework
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 I've done a lot of reading and not books by people with agendas. Again the original argument you made was that most of the founding fathers were deists. You're wrong on that point. Now you want to shift the argument to whether they were Christian or whether they believed in organized religion. At this point, their writings are really to vague for us to know the most sincere depths of their hearts regarding religion, so the debate to me is over. They weren't all deists.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik Actually the original argument stemmed from you saying the vast majority were Christians and I said that many were deists, I would consider 6 or 7 of the most well known and timeless of the founding fathers, including the first presidents to be pretty close to that. I got a very "they were all good christian vibe" from your post. My bad.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 There were over 1400 National Days of Prayer And Fasting, or National Days of Prayer and Thanksgiving authorized by Congress by the year 1815. Again, why would deists attempt to appeal to God for help?
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik Do national days of prayer insinuate the Christian religion? As I thought other religions prayed as well. Meaning this was a day left for all to practice their religious freedom in the U.S. What's your point?
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Again the argument wasn't whether they are Christian or what Christian sect they belong to, it's about whether they were deists. My point was valid. Why would those who believe in a non-intervening God seek to invoke His help through prayer? It's a very valid point disproving your original argument that "most founding fathers were deists". It's time for you to recant on your statment that most of them were deists.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik I never said most were deists, I said many. And I don't think envoking prayer says anything, you can't doubt that Franklin described himelf as a deist. End of story. I don't recant statements I don't make.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Jefferson may have been a deist, but he borrowed the entire Declaration of Independence from the writings of John Locke. John Locke's Two Treatises of Government are the bases for the Declaration of Independence. Locke's treatises cite the Bible over 1,500 times to explain the proper role of God in government.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik He got a lot from Thomas Paine, who was quite the opposite as well. But it's actually irrelevent because most philosophy got it's roots from the greek school of thought, which was pagan. So how far back do you want to go? They even laid the foundations for a republic.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 That's right! John Locke, Montesquie, Voltair, and many others, can trace some of their philosophies back to the Romans, most notably Marcus Tullius Cicero (I recommend you read his works if you haven't). Also, it traces back to Aristotle and Plato on the Greek side. Much of the framework for the founding fathers' ideas on government and a republic comes from those great ancient thinkers. Still. . . the ORIGINAL ARGUMENT. . . that doesn't prove they're deists.
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik No, but your argument didn't disprove those that are considered to be. It was just, "So and so got their ideas from a Christian" and I am countering that saying "well that Christian could very well get his ideas from a pagan" I didn't initiate that part of the argument.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 On the lighter side, masterfushi89, I think that you and I are the type of people who could go to lunch and have a great conversation together. I've appreciated your comments. You were very far from persuading me that the founding fathers were deists. That's because they weren't. I wish you the very best in life an all you do!
79Janosik 1 year ago
@79Janosik Same here, I would completely agree that you seem very interested in actually having a conversation and not try to just stick it to me. Best of luck to you as well.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
@masterfushi89 Jefferson signed many of his documents with "in the year of our Lord Christ". Pretty good, considering deists don't believe in Christ. Most other founders like Adams, Madison, and Washington singed their documents simply: "in the year of our Lord".
79Janosik 1 year ago
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@Saxxyman: Many of the founders were in fact not deists. There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. 29 held seminary degrees and were pastors, the rest were all religious. It's well-documented in their writings. But let's assume you're correct. Please provide the list of which ones were deists and the evidence supporting that claim. I'll be waiting. . . likely for eternity.
79Janosik 1 year ago
Why must we be a Republic? Freedom can eist in a Monarchy, which I find preferable. Also,it says Gods Laws shoudl revail, yet God never established a Republic.
ZARIYL 1 year ago
@ZARIYL and who might choose your monarch? Upon passing the monarchy would it be a danger should the heir/ heiress be a psychologically afflicted as was Adolf Hitler, Julius Cesar or any number of rulers that had decided death was the simplest method of maintaining popularity?
MrReadandlearn 1 year ago
@Holly1389 "Separation of Church and State? Please"
ME TOO! This video appears to be slanted toward a religiosity having NOTHING to do with the Constitution and ALL about religious control over our government, the OPPOSITE of what America's founders intended. Today's Religious Right would like to ban abortion and force their narrow belief system down our throats in many other ways, and that is the OPPOSITE of the Constitution's guarantee of personal freedom and liberty. Shitcan this video.
ObamaDerangement 1 year ago
To be honest, the reason for the Sep of Church and State wasnt to protect the State from Religious intervention, but to prevent the State from controling what people beleived by cintrolling the Churches. They had no concept of the odern Reigious Right tryign to control the Government.
ZARIYL 1 year ago
@ZARIYL Tell me Pelosi didn't just tell the Catholic church to involve itself against immigration control.
MrReadandlearn 1 year ago
The Constitution and Bill of Rights is what our country was built upon. It was working fine and the Great Depression would have happened regardless. Why did we change something that works? I can't help but think of the old adage, "Don't fix something that ain't broke!"
olboney1 1 year ago 8
@olboney1 The founding fathers built a government that has an incredible ability to change with the times. As they knew very well that things weren't going to stay the same forever, we have built upon their original work, but I doubt anyone would argue against freeing slaves and establishing equal rights through further law. Because while the constitution endorsed equality, many of the men who wrote it had slaves until they died. Change happens, and a strong nation should remain relevant.
masterfushi89 1 year ago
This reminds me of 'Godly Minds, Bold Hearts,' a cult classic book that has become highly collectible but not talked of much in the mainstream. (Both books together are dynamite power & knowledge!) Neither book themes that America can be separated from her belief in God. Liberals put forth that our rights come from gov't so that they can control us and rights given us. I'd rather live in a country, our country, who knows gov't cannot take away rights given to us because they come from God.
TomS917 1 year ago 3
Separation of Church and State Please.
That's where I want my Freedom.
Holly1389 1 year ago
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"Separation of Church and State Please. That's where I want my Freedom."
in the USA - you already have that!
sboy1955 1 year ago
@Holly1389 you do realize it wasn't the original intent to have biblical principles banned from government right? The phrase "separation of Church and State" meant that the Government could not interfere with the body of the church. The constitution puts very few restrictions on the church, yet many restrictions on the Government. And by no interference in the church, I mean outside of basic laws of the land. If the government read and applied the 10 commandments, would that be bad?
Camaro6310 1 year ago 2
@Holly1389 "Separation of Church and State? Please"
ME TOO! This video appears to be slanted toward a religiosity having NOTHING to do with the Constitution and ALL about religious control over our government, the OPPOSITE of what America's founders intended. Today's Religious Right would like to ban abortion and force their narrow belief system down our throats in many other ways, and that is the OPPOSITE of the Constitution's guarantee of personal freedom and liberty. Shitcan this video.
ObamaDerangement 1 year ago
@ObamaDerangement
It would seem that you know very little of what the founders originally intended by the way imply that they would actually go for killing kids in the womb. You cannot see through your own hypocrisy, by the way you libtards have been forcing your narrow humanistic world-view down everyone else's throat.
Maybe try reading this book or some other book on the founding fathers with some facts in it and keep you're delusional drivel to yourself (:
yabruf 1 year ago
Im in the middle of reading this book. Hard to believe that men from 200 plus years ago seemed SO much smarter than the ones today
clintonio23 1 year ago 2
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"All men are created equal" That is the biggest false statement. Not all have rights to freedom, the pursuit of happiness and liberty either. Not all are given those rights. It should say all spirits are created equal. So an Ethiopian with no legs born in Ethiopia is born equal to me in the United States?? Silliness. Some famous quotes are about as communistic as they can get....
zebfullmer 1 year ago
You obviously don't get the statement. It means we are all entitled to the same freedom and rights no matter what race, religion or background. It doesn't mean that because he was born in Ethiopia with no arms or legs is the same as you born in America, healthy.
princessjenny01 1 year ago 4
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RonPaul4Pres2k8 1 year ago 2
Good job; 5 stars
ScarlettKnights 1 year ago 2
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The majority on both sides of the aisle in Washington DC. The RCC.
The majority on the Supreme Court 6-3...RCC.
The majority on Obama's Cabinet...RCC.
So, when you wonder why your country is being subverted and swept far from her founding principles...it is only a very old enemy of this Republic.
abbesieyes 1 year ago
Regarding our rights coming from God; the point is that our rights are our rights because we are human, and not because we created some government. As it goes: that to protect these rights, governments are instituted among men. We need to return to a republic where we will have equality under the law. A republic is only a republic if you keep it that way. If you don't watch closely it turns into a democracy. Every democracy in history has turned into tyranny.
mechfabs 1 year ago 3
If you read the constitution, you will realize that we have 2 rights regarding religion. Freedom of and freedom from. We have lost our way any no one has freedom from religion any more. Religion has a lot broader meaning than just what denomination you are. It can be any belief that someone or some group holds to strongly.
mechfabs 1 year ago 2
It's strange to me how religious types see no conflict between their claimed belief in freedom and their wish for their religious rules to be imposed on everyone else, or their belief in equality and the cr*p way they treat those less empowered than themselves such as women or those who look different or have less money.There's got to be more to an ethical belief system that being willing to dismount from your horse and look all serious while internalising a chat with an imaginary friend.
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johnnyu2123 1 year ago
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have." ...Such is the historical pattern of atheistic secularist amoral Totalitarian rule (from the Feudalist Lords; to the Marxists; to the National Socialists - the Nazis; to the present Progressive Liberals and Neo-Cons - which happily cohabit the various committees of the Council on Foreign Relations) who will ALWAYS promise 'security' yet deliver a theft of freedom, mass-murder and slavery!
johnnyu2123 1 year ago
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What amazes me about the plot that is unfolding before our eyes is that it is going perfectly along w/ the script(ures). The arrogance of the cabal - the avaricious elitist oligarchy - that seek to enslave all men under the guise of secularism and collectivist redistribution (manipulatively turning men into coerced subservient heads of cattle - who no longer value their economic freedom, constitutional liberties or divinely endowed rights) is incomparable. Their narcissism knows no bounds!
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johnnyu2123 1 year ago
Seek firs to understand, then to be understood. People, do your homework before you waste your time and others with so little of substance. Read the book. Read the Constitution. read the Bible.
striperfish1 1 year ago 10
How in any way are the founding fathers referring to the bible, please bless us with your "intellectual" argument.
DefPoet100 1 year ago
plus there's no god, it was all fairy tales, you know that.
grimwatcher 1 year ago
ummm, nope, constitutionally, we're the first most secular nation in the world. No religion is either endorsed nor prohibited by our government. therefore our government is neutral in its stance with religion. It does not support any particular religion more than the other, in the constitutions eyes, Islam, and Christianity are pretty much the same thing. Remember that the founding father's we're escaping a theocracy. An example of modern day theocracy the likes you describe would be Iran
grimwatcher 1 year ago
Think of the 120 million people killed from communism. The top people telling the people they deserve more, and all the stuff the government can give. 120 million people later the liberals are still saying the same thing and in the end it always ends in violence. Learn history and you can see the future. Stop liberals that are in office and return to the constitution.
camarosam 2 years ago 2
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how does the constitution Starts please read it !!!!
In Congress, 20 September in the year of "our Lord" 1787
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
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Religion is not forced by the goverment therefor you have the rigth to beleive what ever you want if any but the nations stands one nation under god and the need of a religion in a goverment is needed to the politicaly correct arguments are supressed with Morality and morality has no specific religion but it is a very Christian beleive. you dont have to beleive it the nation was founded on it you have to respect it remember thas one miniscule reason why you can write here today!!!!
JAG
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
I like the video!
dkaw1 2 years ago
Passing on their debts to the next generation would be forcing the children of the future to be born into a certain amount of bondage or involuntary servitude - something for which they had neither voted nor subscribed. It would be, in a very literal sense, "taxation without representation."
from The 5000 Year Leap by W. Cleon Skousen on the Founding Fathers principle of Avoiding the Burden of Debt
changewedontneed 2 years ago
Inspiring video!
Declarationist 2 years ago
The religion arguements are nice but your right end where mine begin. If you want to be a christian great but do not force your beliefs on me. I actually like my job and would not mind working on December 25th.
appledroplarry 2 years ago
Religion is not forced by the goverment therefor you have the rigth to beleive what ever you want if any but the nations stands one nation under god and the need of a religion in a goverment is needed to the politicaly correct arguments are supressed with Morality and morality has no specific religion but it is a very Christian beleive. you dont have to beleive it the nation was founded on it you have to respect it remember thas one miniscule reason why you can write here today!!!!
JAG
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
This nation was ot founded on religion. It was founded on the fact that rich plantation owners didn't want to pay their taxes.
appledroplarry 2 years ago
@appledroplarry ch takes you to Goodness and make things right remember the things that are actually bad on any society God wrote thousands of years ago and till today no matter whatt country it is the bad things to do are still bad!!!
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
I'm gonna say, Okay.
appledroplarry 2 years ago
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law. ~Thomas Jefferson
Our Constitution makes no mention whatever of god. The omission is all too obvious to have been anything but deliberate!
USConstitutionVote 2 years ago
Christianity never will be a part of the common law.
The Constitution of the United States is so POWERFUL because it lacks the infringement of a religion; EVERYONE has a choice of religious beliefs, or the lack of it in America and that is what made it great.
Why the FUCK would the American fight off CHRISTIAN Red Coats to be Christian themselves? Fucking flawed.
Wake the fuck up, America, before your minds are put to sleep for real by this religious hypocricy.
xXshinzoXx 2 years ago
@USConstitutionVote Ugh... you need to read it again then.
ThePatriot213 2 years ago
how does the constitution Starts please read it !!!!
In Congress, 20 September in the year of "our Lord" 1787
Jxtreeme1 2 years ago
Seems very convenient that the Christian God has somehow replaced The Deist, Naturist and Humanist Deity in this new Theocratic Movement. Christianity is by Doctrine Theocratic Communism!!! Keep you Religion out of the Country where Liberty Reigns above all!
USConstitutionVote 2 years ago
Can you uphold the Constitution, and say "keep you Religion out of the Country"?
Do you seek to squash my freedom of religion?
Is the Pledge of Allegiance (one nation under God), part of the new movement? Is our dollar (In God we trust