Actually....since you stated that you should use the bible as means to prove that God doesn't exist proves that you really have no clue what your talking about. In reality, the bible does not have any contradictions and every prophecy up to the present day has happened for there is evidence and proof. Christianity is not a blind faith my friend. It is a logical and common sense faith. so dont try and use the bible as a crutch since the bilbe is actually what proves God exists
@checkeredbunns44 im from a christian family, i read the bible multiple times. there are alot of contradictions and inconsistencies. the simple dillusion of god proves the bibles worth and consistency
I have noted a distinct difference between atheists and theists - atheists seems to have a real small vocabulary - consisting basically of "fucking", "idiot" and "retarded." Come on guys - if you want to be taken seriously, please present some sort of on argument!
I was an atheist for over 20 years. Then I actually faced death, and I needed to know if God was real and the truth about it all. I asked Him to help me find truth, and He changed me in an instant! It WAS magically, and sounds silly I know, but how do you explain something you have no words to describe? God IS REAL..I promise you all that. I have a relationship with Him daily and now I profess JESUS IS ALIVE AND LORD AND SAVIOR! I was wrong. Search for yourself!!!...don't listen to this world.
Hello!!! I LOVE your videos, and your posts. I'm having great difficulty dealing with an over the top christian in my family. She is small minded/closed minded and doesn't want to hear reason. It's driving me insane that i'm constantly explaining my "reasons" for being atheist...and FACTS! but when I try to ask questions, I get the same circular answers.
this video was made to train atheist how to convert christians, you would never bother converting someone who believes in the easter bunny, this tells me that you believe god is real but you hate him and want to fulfill satans work and draw people away from god...
you must have had a bad experience with god and now you hate him for not answering a prayer...
dude! you show nothing on how to convert. how to act and how to talk aint shit. that dont help no one. i thought you ha some magic pill or at least a verse we could use to prove a point. you are no help!
@iglesiamamqv They have just as much right to spread their ideas as we do. Though I do have to say, I hate having Fundamental christianity shoved down my throat just as much as an aggresive out spoken atheist.
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from your sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
I have got to say there man you not being a christian any more (which really you never were) and now being an athiest has got to be really different for you. I mean you came from helping individuals in their lives change, feeding the poor helping children and spreading love in SOOO many different ways of God to NOW, your a individual who does nothing but put up youtube videos about how to fight Christians and talk about how god cant be real. I guess to heck with the ones who need help and you.
Who then is Jesus Christ? of course by your own understanding then? He was a REAL man not one person in this world can deny that. Prove to me he wasnt God?
How does that ONE mans actions account for the Morals of what Jesus Christ laid for us all to live by. That man obviously was not living by his word but by his own understanding. Just as you and your world view is created by your own understanding. It takes more faith to believe in nothing then to believe in a creator. Your a man that seems to have given up his faith all due because of the actions of others. We are not pefect everyone fails, Being a christian doesnt make us a God!
Thanks for the intelligent lecture. I really gotta agree with your "I became an atheist through the bible". And I really respect how you take an open perspective to view this topic. Thanks for the video!
@oreowizard1 You became an athesit through the bible im curious to ask how so and what is your reasoning to make a decision like that. What is your view on Jesus Christ?
@7051kevin Thanks for asking me without provoking an argument that was very nice of you! (not being sarcastic lol) I won't lie to you, I've been a very religious person. But as I read the bible more and more, I found out the bible had things I could not agree to. I'm not gay, but God's punishment of Gays are one thing that can be viewed unjustifiable. There are passages in the bibles that says to kill a man who works during sundays.
@7051kevin The bible emphasizes God's mightiness and his willing to forgive. However it seems like there's a great contradiction to that. When God creates a human, is it not possible for God to see into the man's future? If he can, that means he already knows that the baby he is about to create will go to heaven or not. Basically, he allows criminals to exist despite the fact that he already knew that they would become criminals in the future. and punish them regardless.
@7051kevin Morality is another issue. The bible tends to look at what is right or wrong from an extremely strict point of view. But you and I already both know that there are exceptions to those strict rules. Let's say you hurt someone's feelings. You feel bad and pray to God and repent your sins. Tell me, is it better to tell that person that you feel terrible for mistreating them or to tell the sky that you are sorry about your actions? Helping others is not based around religion.
@7051kevin It seems like many people tend to believe what they want to believe. They want to believe in the "good side" of the bible. The part where there is forgiveness and salvation. My opinion of Jesus Christ? Why couldn't we all born to be like Jesus Christ? He still had his free wills, and yet he was the "chosen one", so much for being fair. Why is it that we are all sons and daughters of God, but why are we so different from Jesus?
@7051kevin Reasoning, thank you for asking me that. According to the Bible, in genesis, adam and eve was born in a wonderful garden. ok. But to tempt them, God plants a tree (which DOES NOT have to be there if he wishes) that he forbids. It is obvious that there is no trust for the humans, and that he wishes to test them. Then he CREATES the snake to tempt them. Then in the end, adam and eve end up as sinners. For 2 people's sin, humanity is kicked out of the paradise. Sounds fair?
@7051kevin This is much like saying that a child of a person should suffer for what the person had done, which is absolutely ridiculous. But the real question should be focused on human's ability to sin. Why did God grant the ability to sin to Humans and tempt them knowingly that they will be tempted? I know many answer that he wished us to have free will, but you already know that with the power to create the universe, giving a man both free will and the will to be good is possible.
@oreowizard1 I would talk about the unjustifiable behavior of Christians' calling Gay people sinners, but I'll stop here for now. Thank you for the question, and I hope I did not offend you. I believe that people should believe whatever they wish to, and have nothing against it. But you before you say anything, I hope you understand that I've been in the christian community for a very long time. And was not a "fake believer". Thank you
I don't understand why you called yourself a Christian or were one, see that is the huge reason why individuals don't believe in god is because there are way to many fakes or professing Christians so called in our churches. That is the main problem, a real Christians is a truly changed individual, you talked the talk but never walked the walk
@7051kevin Your right hes not in a trance anymore he now is a free thinker.AKA real christians dont think outside the box the only thing thier head is at is in the bible and live by the bible like on the news a "real christian" kick has 24 year old daughter out the house and said "your not now daughter anymore only a christian could be in my family and your never welcomed back" after that her little brother and sister hated her and she fell in tears. christian morals are bullshit.
Why do you all focus mostly on challenging Christians? Why not other beliefs, what I love most is that after 2000yrs and a 3 yr ministry Jesus is still intimidating you all. Rather you like it or not you all believe in something, what atheist group in the world does more for the good of this world then christianty? God cares for you all
Atheism is not a group. It's not a statement. It's not a political system. It's a number of individuals that happen to share an opinion. Some people agree that a banana is ripe when it's green.
If you want examples of non-religious well doers: Medecins Sans Frontieres,
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, International Humanist and Ethical Union etc.
I just made some speed research. Christianity is currently involved in 16 wars around the world.
@9N8X What usually ends up happening is they either ask for proof of atheism, nature is the proof, bible is proof, or some long William Lane Craig diversion that answers nothing.
DEBATING A FELLOW HUMAN BEING ON THEIR IDEAS SEEMS RIDICULOUS. IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE WHY DONT YOU ARGUE OVER WHO GIVES TO THE POOR AND HELPS THE WOMAN WHO JUST LOST HER HOUSE OR HER KIDS ARE SICKLY. WHY DONT YOU ARGUE ABOUT HOW TO HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS. WHO CARES WHAT YOU CALL GOD JESUS ALLAH BHUDDAH. DOESNT MATTER ONE BIT AND DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING. DOES NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. THE CREATOR WILL EXIST AND CONTINUE TO EXIST WHETHER HIS NAME IS ROCK SAND SKY CLOUDS OR A PERSONS NAME.
@ericdisney1 dude he's not arguing what the name is, he's arguing about religion and people's beliefs by themselves. Why argue about all those things? Nothing to argue about, it's a good thing to help the poor, it's a good thing to help your fellow human being at almost all costs. I think it's sad that you feel that everyone has the same views as you do, which would be that you feel you are such an immoral and wicked animal, that you use such a form of paranoia to keep yourself in check.
@IBelieveinProgress i dont care who you are or what woman gave birth to you. all i care about is giving to the poor. being kind to others. taking care of the animals. i care about nature. donating to charities. visiting people in jail. talking to the elderly about their past. picking up trash on the streets from irresponsible people.
revhowardgoss here told me god invented science (!) the discoveries required and mental challenges needed to be won here to prove that claim are nothing less stunning and would make him one of the most famous people on earth for centuries to come. however i think we can all agree that that will NEVER happen.
what's that you say howard...faith is all you need? hmmm, a theists favorite hiding place is the word faith....maybe not, let's see. .howard.? howard? howard?
@directtalk1 Your entire screed is based on a faulty premise, that the Bible and Christianity are mutually exclusive. There are many Christian scientists, regardless of the puke you spit up insisting otherwise.
It's interesting how Christians view this video and argue, they feel the need to do so as clearly they doubt their beliefs, that doubt is called intelligence. The universe is 6000 years old, the earth is flat, the sun goes around us, Eve was made from a rib from Adam.! C'mon.! Once upon a time everyone believed in (a) god and believed all the bullshit that they were fed....that time was called..'The Dark Ages'
The more we hear from preachers, the more we all want to learn from teachers.!
@directtalk1 The Dark Ages ended when the Bible began to be printed and distributed to the masses who had previously had no access to its instruction. Knowledge exploded, the majority of advancements in science and medicine were due to Christian established universities,;just because some believed the earth was flat doesn't mean that came from the Bible. So you believe that single celled organisms crawled out of the musk, developed lungs, grew hair, and became truck drivers? THAT'S a fairy tale!
@revhowardgoss looks like someone's a little off on their history... XD the dark ages was a time literally ruled by christianity.. the crusades-holy wars, coverting the many germanic pagan tribes to christianity..it was during this time that christianity began to spread like a wildfire.. sure this was precursor to the printing press advancements in the 1400s.. but through centuries of conquer the average joe of the time just believed whatever he was told... :P
@mikesytoria Yeah, you are WAY off on a lot of things. First, the Catholic church is a false religion. All the things you mention were done by Catholics. So your point is irrelevant
@revhowardgoss guess what? your entire first statement that i replied to was done by the catholic church, want to know why? lol because the protestant revolution had not yet occured! :P btw i'm not off on anything, YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE MISTAKEN ONE :) in addition not all this was done by catholic churches LOL. after the protestant revolution guess who was in charge? yes the protestants.. now take in mind pratically overnight entire nations that were catholic since their foundation..
@mikesytoria There are some things regarding church history you do not know, regardless of how much you pat yourself on the back for your intelligence. My church, the Apostolic Pentecostal church, never went astray with the Catholic church. We never subscribed to its heresy. Therefore we did not come out of it with the Protestants, because we were never part of it. The Catholics were not the true church after the time the Apostolic fathers all passed off the scene.
@revhowardgoss are now protestant... this is the cause for the chaos.. catholics were being rooted out and put to death because they no longer believed the same interpretation/practice as the king/queen of their nation...yeah...don't argue with a history book... you'll typically lose everytime
wall street? you call that utopia? that's a mockery...
nothing but a bunch bafoons running around trying to one up each other :P they are devoid of the morals and values that i hold close to heart
@revhowardgoss when i say kindness and respect, i mean kindness and respect.. and i'll be the first to tell you that that day is far away.. but the tides of change start with just one person.. if i could give my life for people to see things straight i would do it 1000 times over and just be getting warmed up.. this goes for people of religion as well as hopeless non-believers..and there are just so many just vile-backwards people of both theology and atheism.. but hey gotta start somewhere ^.^
@mikesytoria, you are posting some very accurate and interesting facts but remember; arguing with some theists is often a waste of time as they have 2 golden rules:
1. Ignore all rational thought
2. When forced to face rational thought, refer to rule 1
Personally, I have patience with stupidity, but not from theists who choose to be stupid.!
@revhowardgoss however a truly great period of history was the renaissance..which occured after the middle ages.. it was a period of time where people in general looked away from religion and began to look at the world in a scientific manner..it was during this time that intellectual greats began to look away from the church supported concept of the humors and other silly "cosmic" occurences that they had relied on to convert the germanic tribes in previous centuries.. :P
@revhowardgoss unfortunately after this brief time of absolute advancement..what does the church do? they adapt the ideas of the scientific advancements (quietly of course) and during this time it is when the churches first begin to really stress the idea of hell, eternal damnation, and the devil living on earth... it existed prior but prior to this time period a good education was non-existant, thus people believe what ever you tell them.. (lack of critical thinking skills)
@revhowardgoss why you say? because an outside force called science and intellectual innovation is threatening the authority and power of christianity... and this still being during the 1600s, the average joe is still not that educated...needless to say uneducated people tend to be very superstitious... and superstitions usually are backed by fear...and people who have not been alowed to persue their intellectual potential on these new scientific topics are very susceptible to let fear rule them
@revhowardgoss thus religion resurfaces... leading into a series of civil wars in europe over how to interpret the scripture.. ironically each of the various sides saying if you worship anyway but how we worship you are going to burn in hell for eternity... you find that fear is a very reoccuring theme in religion.. even to this day... the easiest way to make a dog obey you is to make them fear the wrath of punishment.. same applies for people who are ignorant to certain domains in life..
@revhowardgoss i take it you're a very religious person.. but it's time for mankind to advance to the next level.. it's time for each and everyone of us to live our lives to be the very best we can be, learning everything we can from those who came before us, from day one till the day we die... then after aquiring a life time worth of invaluable knowledge we pass it down to our children..
@revhowardgoss insted of teaching our kids that a pefrect and pure creater of everything sends people to burn in the fiery debts of hell for eternity simply for personal disbelief, we teach them to be kind, generous, and understanding of each and everyone living this life together.. we learn from those who came before and pass everything down to those who will inherit this planet after we're gone.. we live our lives striving to be the very best we can be..
@revhowardgoss we can reach a level of humanity where no one starves, where there is no more sickness, where each and every human being shows total and compete respect, kindness, and understanding for each other...but this will not happen if 'false hope' continues to make the masses content with living a mediocre life, never pushing themselves to be the very best they can be, and overall wasting their potential to advance mankind....only because a book said at the end of it all is eternal bliss
@mikesytoria And all of your kind protesting on Wall St are examples of your utopian paradise? They pretty much all have the same beliefs as you, and look at them. They are the end result of your way of thinking. Trashy, immoral, unkempt, lazy, narcissistic, dregs of humanity. NO, THANKS, I'll keep my beliefs that inspire me to work hard, be honest, and respect the law, and be clean and decent human beings.
@revhowardgoss Wall St...! Let's put an order on issues that effect mankind, and near the top of that list is aids in Africa, fueled by catholic mental midgets advising them not to use condoms.! Like all theists, your views on reality are very warped.
@revhowardgoss i'm a young man, but one day i strive to achieve a society where each and every person treats each other with absolute respect and shows kindness out of the bottom of their heart...not for fear of punishment..
80% of why people believe is fear of punishment, the other 20% is hope of reward.. the fact that billions of people will burn forever doesn't bother christians..just as long as them and everyone they know go to heaven.
and my vision is something greater.sure when we die..we die..but as a matter of fact we were dead for billions and billions of years before we were ever born.interesting we simply return to the same state we were at since the beginning of time
people will learn that it is ok to live a life without a god
people will learn that is ok to show complete and total kindness for all human beings without a god
it is this mindset that will raise humanity to the next level
@revhowardgoss it will make life on earth truely limitless devoid of the boundaries and intellectual poisons of religion
i am aware that i will never see this reality-but the sheer fact that one day my descendants will walk this earth with a complete understanding of things-showing each and every human being kindness-respect-and an unconditional understanding, will make devoting my life to this vision truely a small price to pay indeed
knowledge is power, and kindness is the key to the future(:
@mikesytoria You are right, you will never see it, neither will anyone else, because it exists only in the minds of idiots. Oh, yeah , let's all hold hands and wear flowers in our hair. You are full of poppycock.
@revhowardgoss, religious beliefs are based on faith. Science, on empirical evidence. Your failure to grasp evolutionary biology is only a problem for theists. The hands of 1 chemist does more to save life than a million hands clasped in prayer. How's cholera cured, how do glasses help you see? Science does not pray for results. Theists induce fact & rely on faiths to believe them, science deduces fact & the masses went to church to hear the bible before it went to print..think man, think!
@directtalk1 Your entire point is based on a lie. Christianity does not reject science and medical research. Who told you that? TV? Preposterous! Yet you keep spouting it. God created science. The Scripture promotes knowledge and research. There is not one proven scientific fact that contradicts the Bible. It takes a boatload of faith to swallow evolution, to believe we are all random accidents. Your way of thinking is the epitome of blind ignorance.
It is not acceptable or intelligent to believe that the a God who supposedly gave us our senses, reason, intelligence & wisdom...would wish for us to abandon their use.!
@directtalk1 It is irrelevant whether you laugh at my beliefs. I don't form beliefs based on the approval of fools. What an asinine way of looking at things you have, my dear!
@revhowardgoss, Ha, fools you say.! Well, it's a statistical fact that all religions are loosing followers. Why? Because fortunately gods are fragile and delicate things; they can be killed by a whiff of science or a tiny dose of intelligence thus Christian rules have constantly changed to fit scientific discoveries...or do you still think the earth is still flat and the sun goes around us..?
@directtalk1 exactly right! the people who find inspiration in that decrepit book obviously have no idea what they are reading, or have completely shut down their ability to use logic and critical thinking.. :P
it will make life on earth truely limitless devoid of the boundaries and intellectual poisons of religion..
sure i am aware that i will never see this reality..but the sheer fact that one day my descendants will walk this earth with a complete understanding of things, showing each and every human being kindness, respect, and an unconditional understanding, will make devoting my life to this vision truely a small price to pay indeed..
knowledge is power, and kindness is the key to the future. :)
and my vision is something greater..sure when we die..we die..but as a matter of fact we were dead for billions and billions of years before we were ever born..interesting we simply return to the same state we were at since the beginning of time :)
people will learn that it is ok to live a life without a god..
people will learn that is ok to show complete and total kindness for all human beings without a god
it is this mindset that will raise humanity to the next level..
i'm a young man, but one day i strive to achieve a society where each and every person treats each other with absolute respect and shows kindness out of the bottom of their heart...not for fear of punishment..
80% of why people believe is fear of punishment, the other 20% is hope of reward.. the fact that billions of people will burn forever doesn't bother christians..just as long as them and everyone they know go to heaven..
Why would you want to "reach out" to christians? To drag them down to your level? What does atheism Possibly have to offer? Hopelessness? Despair? Nothingness?
what does a secular thinking progressive lifestyle have to offer? CIVIL RIGHTS. you are the one that is hopeless. what does your religion have to offer? hope and fear??...nothingness?? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. "atheism" doesnt HAVE to offer anything. that is just YOUR WEAK MIND trying to think, well try harder. we've gone from polytheism, to monotheism, to atheism. we are progressing our minds, you all are stuck believing your primitive fairy tales. HAHA.
@ironlung1028 After looking at your channel, interests, etc., I just wonder what would make you think anyone else would even listen to anything you have to say. Punk rock? Chronic smoker? Watching a lot of movies? Get real. No wonder you think the way you do. Garbage in- garbage out.
I would add, one strength of many religions is the fact that they do seem kind of silly in the light of day. If you make someone look foolish in the process of the discussion, that person will shut down, get angry, and avoid similar discussions for a long time.
On the other hand, my own peace of mind requires that I sometimes taunt people who are really asking for it, but, hey, pick your battles!
Free from faith? More like please chain me up again. If the bible contradicts itself like you say. where? you say you know the word so well. why dont you give scriptural examples? simply because there are none. I will pray for you. Satan has such a tight grasp on your life. I will pray for you.
free from faith....He's creating his own faith. By saying he believes so strongly in absolutely no religion...He's making his own religion. And by saying their is no God he's acknowledging God.
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Why go out of your way to strip people of their beliefs, it doesnt hurt you. Even if they are annoyingly stupid, you preaching to them about atheism is just as annoying for them, even though you are actually right. Just a thought, seems like wasted energy thats all
@bexlerartois1 - actually, christianity - GOD & JESUS has hurt me. my language and culture are at near extinction .. and everytime one of my people gives themselves to the lord .. thats one more person who could have helped save our ways .. and that happened to a lot of indigenous cultures throughout the world .. so, an all out campaign against your god and jesus needs to happen to save us ..
@jerjern - ? - I see your reasoning behind that. True enough.
Christianity as a whole include God, Jesus & Christians though. You can not have a christian without God.
I guess I'm looking at it like a business structure. Gods at the top - Upper Management. Christians are his servants - employees. Why would I blame an individual employee of a company when it's the companies policy aka the bible that drive them?
@knobsworth I understand your reasoning. However, I don't believe the two necessarily go hand in hand. Preservation of culture and languages can happen along with changes in faith.
No disrespect, but I liken the perspective you presented to racism, in that the character of a whole is judged by the actions of individuals not representative of the group. It's also easy to declare that things are done in the name of God when God doesn't directly rebuke those claims. That's all.
@jerjern - yes - it's complicated .. bad example .. at the same time - the direction of our living genocide stems solely from all things god, jesus and bible .. it doesn't matter if there are good intentions or bad apples .. our ways and teachings have been disseminated by greed, government, and god .. what initiatives has god or his follower's given to the native man to help maintain his ways and teachings?
@knobsworth Much like the crusades of the past, I think what transpired in the past was driven by greed for power, for resources, etc. God was just used as an excuse. Basically I blame people. I'm not trying to defend the faith here, but rather to point out that people are capable of countless callous acts, especially when they can justify their actions in their heads, whether it be a religious motivation, or patriotic, or whatever have you.
I was sharing my issues with the Bible with my Mother tonight, particularly the slaughter of the Egyptian firstborns in the story of Moses vs. Pharaoh (the tenth plague upon Egypt). "Thousands of innocent babies probably died, how is that just? Why not just kill Pharaoh?" I queried. She responded, "Yeah, but Pharaoh was hard-hearted. That's what got Pharaoh to change his mind." *sigh*
While I appreciate your sensibility, the 'nice' approach is quite ineffectual. The basis of such delusional thinking as Christian Mythology is a fundamental contempt for INTELLECTUAL HONESTY. Our History (even up to today) overwhelmingly demonstrates the blatant harm 'Believers' commit (directly and indirectly). No, it is a scourge of Mankind, and needs to be eradicated, not by force, but by making people feel humiliated for choosing NON-SENSE over Reason! It's not mean...it's NECESSARY!!!
@3:32 "If all else fails, just pretend to [love them] in order to get your foot in the door."
You lost me when you started advocating dishonesty in our approach to dealing with Christians. This reminds me of the Muslim cleric who approved of lying in order to convert Jews to Islam.
Sad sad sad, I will debate you on your science. Btw, THE BIBLE SAYS, hatred is in the hearts of man, its in our nature and that nature has to be put down. It doesnt just go away. You admit you are a phony and encourage others to follow that patter. Sad
@Micahthetatter the bible isnt true though, its completely contradictory and false. Mark-16 17:18 it says that if you believe in Jesus you can drink poisen and you will not die. Luke 19:27 "Jesus" tells you to kill non believers. in John 14:14 it says ask for anything and "he will do it" then why doesnt he "jesus" cure cancer patients, amputees, couples who cant have kids etcetc. Thats just a LITTLE handfull of stupid claims made by the bible,
@Mutatedsoul Did you actually read the bible or are you just regurgitating something you read or saw on some website called bible contradictions or something of the like? I cant explain all the things said by jesus because I know that you have to have a receptive heart to understand. Sort of like when he says you can move mountains, can you explain this? btw the lord does heal people, just not all of them. He owes us nothing and we should rejoice in the mercies that we do recieve.
@Micahthetatter why doesnt he heal all of them? jesus sez ask and you WILL recieve.. your response, oh he only heals "some" is crap because the "some" are natural remmisions. and yes i did read the bible thats why im ana theist to the bible god fyi. why would he makea book so complicated were half is "allagorical" and half is "non allagorical" and if you get it wrong you deserve hell. total crap
@Micahthetatter also the bible is scientifically not true,it speaks of the world being a circle likea dinner plate, let me explain, Isaiah 40:22.he used the word"circle"when the word"ball" which is a sphere in my opinion was used at the time,in Isiah 22:18-Without fail he will wrap you up tightly,like a BALL for a wide land.Also we can also say that they meant the earth is a flat circle coz of Luke 4:5.How else could satan show jesus a kingdom from israel and a kingdom from rome at the same time
@Mutatedsoul It says he sits enthroned above the circle of the earth and its people are like grasshoppers. Must be TOTALLY wrong cause im not a grasshopper....yeeesh. Dont grasp at straws. Also it says in luke he showed him all the kingdoms of the world, he didnt say he showed him the whole planet, but take that how u want to.
@Mutatedsoul You must remember God has a will of his own that is not the same as ours. About the killing non believers, again I dont think he is saying to kill them but speaking on the evil of not submitting yourself to god and the penalty due. Remeber the wages of sin is death, and all have fallen short of the glory of God, Therefore we should recognize our need for salvation and accept gods forgiveness, which is not of ourselves.
@Micahthetatter Jesus sez point blank "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me". thats in Luke which is a gospel of jesus... if god can bring Eternal Burning, pain suffering you recon his "son" wouldnt be as disgusting? trust me ive read the bible and i did "pray" for the faith but its only blind, and i cant rely on blind faith, its total crap.
I just want to know, without trying to convince you from anything or turn you away from your believes:
Why would god punish billions and billions of people, all born as innocent babies, for a sin that some woman, who got tricked by the devil, made thousands of years ago?
And why would you call him a loving god if he will toss you into a searing pit to leave you there to burn and suffer forever if you don't pay your church taxes and visit some materialistic "god-house" every sunday?
@CaptainKacknup where does it say that god will throw you into hell if you dont pay your "church taxes" or visit a god house every sunday. Salvatoin comes through jesus christ alone and not how much you pay or visit. Those thing are just a reflection of where your heart is.
If god is omnipresent and above anything on this earth, why do you have to go to the church anyway? Couldn't you praise him wherever you go, since he's everywhere and within everything?
Also why do hardcore christians say something like the evolution theory is wrong and all life is like 10000 years old when there clearly is evidence of prehistoric life millions of years ago?
People do mistakes, why can't the church admit theirs?
@CaptainKacknup The church does admit mistakes, (flat earth, sun around earth etc.). But, evolution is theory and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. That has nothing to do with age of the earth or prehistoric life, only the nature by which life started. Take a look at all the evidence before you so quickly come to a conclusion. I hear people all the time say things like "game over" "creation proved wrong" based only on minimal info. PLEASE LOOK FURTHER at dna evidence.
@wearemodular contrary evidence is in the complexity of the cell. DNA is info, ribosome required for rna synthesis, among many other organelles required for proper cell function. Now this is not debated among scientist rather just the ability for these things to happen as a result of natural process or requiring all the parts at one time. Look up irreducible complexity. Scientist and creationist use same info. just debate on cause and effect. all the evidence is the same. thats my best answer
@Micahthetatter Ribosomes read mRNA to synthesize polypeptides. The origins of the cell organelles have theories one of which is a symbiotic relationship between protozoan bacteria (mitochondria, chloroplasts, flagella), archaea (cytoplasm, membrane) and possibly a virus (nucleus). I fail to see how any of this is contrary evidence to evolution? Irreducible complexity is widely unaccepted by the scientific community.
@wearemodular why did you tell me ribosomes read rna, I already said that. I have seen all the theories about chloroplast, mitochondria, cell membranes etc. These are all hypothesis, which, if you choose to believe is your decision but not gonna try to convince you they are untrue, would rather stick to what is known, which is what the evolutionist say "look at the facts". Cellular complexity is a fact which has not been able to broken down by facts, only theories.
@wearemodular Therefore how can irreducible complexity be widely unaccepted if it hasnt been disproven. Anybody with a brain can come up with theories about something but that does not make something so. Ive already stated that what is known and accepted is not under dispute, it is cause and effect. I have not seen anything even remotely conclusive to explain complexity of living organisms.
@Micahthetatter Irreducible complexity is psuedoscience, which will never be disproven because it is untestable. The symbiotic relationship is just one explantation that is being studied at this very moment. It's also one small part of cellular biology and an even smaller part of evolutionary biology. Refuting the validity of evolution based on that one small point is like saying the universe doesn't exist because we don't know where gravity came from.
@wearemodular Do you see how you so easily reject an idea but say something like "the validity of evolution". Based on what? how is irreducible complexity pseudoscience rather than an idea that somethings are to complex to be broken down? Seems like some people are so stuck on the idea that god didnt create that they will just believe theories and reject anything to the contrary based not on facts but rather assumption. Do you believe in panspermia? Thats a thoery that is being thrown around?
@Micahthetatter I can easily reject irreducible complexity. It goes against scientific principle.
Evidence for evolution is easily found. Searches in any scientific journal such as jstor, plos or science etc. will give you a wealth of information regarding the topic.
To make it easier for you search this:
Bridgham JT, Carroll SM, Thornton JW (April 2006). "Evolution of hormone-receptor complexity by molecular exploitation". Science 312 97–101. doi:10.1126/science.1123348.
@Micahthetatter Based on what? Thousands of individual scientists doing individual testing. Peer reviewed work which is scrutinized to the highest degree, tested and re-tested and proven in ALL fields of scientific study. Gravity is "Just a Theory" as well. Science IS facts, and a fact finding quest. Irreducible complexity has been debunked time and time again by scientific study, with evidence. "Panspermia" is a hypothesis, not a fully accepted scientific Theory.
@Micahthetatter science cannot honestly answer that question. No one can, not even your holy book. Science is trying to close in on it though. And yes, you can reduce the complexity of a living cell. It would take you a few minutes searching the web for those facts to find them. You can spill a cells "guts" if you will, and study its components. You can also go back and trace through you know, fossils, of how eyes, and other systems developed. Its not rocket science.
@lebeaubastion so if you can tell me how to reduce the complexity of a cell I would like to know how. Dont tell me to look it up, I have, I want you to tell me what you think you know. Sure you can study all the organelles, but how do you get a cell to work without them, that is the question? If you dont know how life started then how can you say with certainty that god didnt do it, or is it that you just dont want God to be true? That would be my guess.
@Micahthetatter It would be great if God were true, fascinating too. But there just is no proof for it, I'm sorry. I won't look things up for you, you are not a preschooler needing me to hold your hand..... or are you? I do my own research on everything that I question, and so should you, and further and longer than Christian sites or quote mined pages.
@lebeaubastion And ya, duh...I didnt think it was rocket science, its called biology. Also, the development of biological mechanisms is all theoretical, there is no factual proof of these ideas. If there is please let me know what it is. You sound very condascending but you have not provided any information except to say things along the lines of "smart people said so". Think harder
@Micahthetatter Telling me to "think harder" because I research my own stuff and "listen to smart people" is about the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard. Biology and other sciences are hardly theoretical. If they were all the things you enjoy for modern life wouldn't be possible. You know, Technology, the love child of science. If you wish to believe in a bronze age book over time tested repeatable proofs, go for it. Just dont expect the rest of us to ignore knowledge in favor of superstition
@lebeaubastion Are you telling me abiogenesis is not theoretical? How about panspermia? It seems to me, according to your former comments, that you dont even know what irreducible complexity is. It is not the inability to brak down an organism, but the inability for an organism to function without all components. So do you think that you should just listen to what any smart person says, lots of smart people are still wrong about many things. Still waiting for your so called proofs.
@kram83au what exactly are you refering to? You wanna just call me ignorant without backing it up. If you care to debate my claims I have no problem with that cause im certain i will make you look ignorant.
@Micahthetatterwhy would i need to back up any sort of claims/evidence against such, weak minded, insecure, perhaps victimised, self deceiving, indoctronated,fool.now if you have all this wonderful evidence, im sure the science community would love to hear from you. just think of all that fame when sagen,dawkins, einstien, are held over a barrell by your nuggets of genius.hey im rooting for you kid, fingers crossed. think of all that fame and legendary status.so come on champ, the world awaits u
@kram83au nice copout, clearly indicative of your intillectual capacity and inability to debate. You cant even tell me what my extraordinary claims are, you just default to insults. Your comments are completley dismissive to me, I study, it is obvious you do not. thanx for grand expression of ignorance. oh, and why are you calling me a kid, im 36 years old and have 7 kids so thanks for another expression of your sheer stupidity. Btw sagen thinks there are aliens, thats not a grand claim at all.
@kram83au cont. dawkins believes in abiogenesis, which is completley unfounded, and einstein was a theist sooooo...... which one of these scientists claims are you defending, genius. until you back up a claim or refute any of mine (which you have not even stated yet) i will consider you incompetent and a troll. have a nice day
@Micahthetatter such a dissapointment, the science world was hodling its breath there for a moment. lol .not very observant, im older than you son, so get over it. i would never go down the science road, i know my limitations and so should you . the sagen claim, is distortored. not more than what id expect from an indoctronated mind. so come on make history, you v got the answers. fingers crossed for you son. hey and a double post. oh the smell of desperation in the morning.lol.
@kram83au Really, yousaying sagen doesnt believe in aliens? I will go down the science road, not my fault you cant. How is double post desperation? I had more to say than could fit in 1 post, so what. You seem so sure of yourself but cannot back anything up, you just insult out of ignorance. Until you actually have an educated, meaninful commemnt to say I wont respond to you. P.S. not sure how age has anything to do with it, just says youve been ignorant for a longer period of time
@Mutatedsoul Faith by default is blind otherwise it wouldnt be faith anymore now would it. God and his son are of the same nature, thats not hard to figure out
it sad to see people that were just like me.. i just gotta say man, DONT teach people your unbeleif.. i cant imagine how angry god will be on judgement day.. :(
get saved man, its were you belong. and trust me its possible for you to get saved from this path you've chosen, cause i was a worse backslider than you.
@sunnyallstars sorry to hear taht you were "worse" and im glad and hope you are a better person now.But dont wory because the Judea christian god is "worser".10th plague of Egypt he killed ALL the first borns "even babies" to prove a point.in2 Kings 2:23 god orded 2 bears to MAUL 42 little boys for teasing a bald head man.Numbers 21:18 Moses comanded the killing of all the Mediates and for the soldiers to keep all the firgin women. Also to stone Adulters/Homosexuals.many more were thatcame from
As a Christian who likes to discuss my faith I am very grateful for your thoughtful approach to this issue. I don't agree with some things you say, but your point about debating the Bible is so important! Also, I totally agree with what you say about respectfulness, too many from both sides are failing to address this debate with any grace. Thanks for this video mate, keep up the great work.
@knowwaie You're fat. Lose some weight. See, I can spew ad hominem non sequitars too! What's it like being a shameless troll? Seems like a sad existence. A conservatard christian too, how surprising... Suck my cock loser, and have fun being... you. I don't envy ya.
@AnonymLonen wow...you envy homeless, and ask other men to suck your cock? o__O go ask ur dad to suck ur cock, and go give a homeless man 50 cents, thats all ur good at
@IwarnU1617 wow.. call yourself a christian, would jesus say that? Mathew 22:39, love thy neighbour as yourself? Luke 6:31 Treat other same way you want to be treated. if anything you should be going off scripture in 1 Peter 3:15 to be ready to give an answer about the bible. by you saying that you recon you are changing his mind? such hippocracy?
@Mutatedsoul actually no i dont consider myself a christian for your information.. "treat others the way you want to be treated" umm last i checked, homeless people strive and live off of our money .. that we work hard for! its so easy to just ask for it, ask him to get a job and see what hell answer you.. just like churches.. its so easy to ask for others money.. but do they know what those people had to do for that money..no they dont! god dosnt need your money.. an ill person does
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Felix6512924 2 days ago
@legomaster I've been trying to find some. Where are they ?
Felix6512924 2 days ago
Actually....since you stated that you should use the bible as means to prove that God doesn't exist proves that you really have no clue what your talking about. In reality, the bible does not have any contradictions and every prophecy up to the present day has happened for there is evidence and proof. Christianity is not a blind faith my friend. It is a logical and common sense faith. so dont try and use the bible as a crutch since the bilbe is actually what proves God exists
checkeredbunns44 2 weeks ago
@checkeredbunns44 im from a christian family, i read the bible multiple times. there are alot of contradictions and inconsistencies. the simple dillusion of god proves the bibles worth and consistency
legomastr1 6 days ago
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I have noted a distinct difference between atheists and theists - atheists seems to have a real small vocabulary - consisting basically of "fucking", "idiot" and "retarded." Come on guys - if you want to be taken seriously, please present some sort of on argument!
heinno777 2 weeks ago
I was an atheist for over 20 years. Then I actually faced death, and I needed to know if God was real and the truth about it all. I asked Him to help me find truth, and He changed me in an instant! It WAS magically, and sounds silly I know, but how do you explain something you have no words to describe? God IS REAL..I promise you all that. I have a relationship with Him daily and now I profess JESUS IS ALIVE AND LORD AND SAVIOR! I was wrong. Search for yourself!!!...don't listen to this world.
regularjoez 3 weeks ago
Hello!!! I LOVE your videos, and your posts. I'm having great difficulty dealing with an over the top christian in my family. She is small minded/closed minded and doesn't want to hear reason. It's driving me insane that i'm constantly explaining my "reasons" for being atheist...and FACTS! but when I try to ask questions, I get the same circular answers.
italksalot2u 3 weeks ago
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mikkwik 1 month ago
Christ fulfilled way to many prophacies for Him to be false. To many witnesses too. But, go ahead and do your thing. You'll believe sooner or later.
mccartherable 1 month ago
this video was made to train atheist how to convert christians, you would never bother converting someone who believes in the easter bunny, this tells me that you believe god is real but you hate him and want to fulfill satans work and draw people away from god...
you must have had a bad experience with god and now you hate him for not answering a prayer...
i'll pray for you sir
sanctifiedbytruth 1 month ago
dude! you show nothing on how to convert. how to act and how to talk aint shit. that dont help no one. i thought you ha some magic pill or at least a verse we could use to prove a point. you are no help!
123adrspain 1 month ago
Its funny how atheist are turning in to evangelist, they seem so worried to prove thier point. Dont beleive, keep it to your self.
iglesiamamqv 2 months ago
@iglesiamamqv They have just as much right to spread their ideas as we do. Though I do have to say, I hate having Fundamental christianity shoved down my throat just as much as an aggresive out spoken atheist.
ligonater 2 months ago
@iglesiamamqv a christian complaining about others pushing their beliefs, too funny...
rnicholsshsu 1 month ago
Great video
RhakaiWest 2 months ago
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from your sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
mamainmancj 2 months ago
2:23 i'd say he's just well rounded, too =P
rodrommel 2 months ago
I have got to say there man you not being a christian any more (which really you never were) and now being an athiest has got to be really different for you. I mean you came from helping individuals in their lives change, feeding the poor helping children and spreading love in SOOO many different ways of God to NOW, your a individual who does nothing but put up youtube videos about how to fight Christians and talk about how god cant be real. I guess to heck with the ones who need help and you.
7051kevin 2 months ago
Who then is Jesus Christ? of course by your own understanding then? He was a REAL man not one person in this world can deny that. Prove to me he wasnt God?
7051kevin 2 months ago
How does that ONE mans actions account for the Morals of what Jesus Christ laid for us all to live by. That man obviously was not living by his word but by his own understanding. Just as you and your world view is created by your own understanding. It takes more faith to believe in nothing then to believe in a creator. Your a man that seems to have given up his faith all due because of the actions of others. We are not pefect everyone fails, Being a christian doesnt make us a God!
7051kevin 2 months ago
Thanks for the intelligent lecture. I really gotta agree with your "I became an atheist through the bible". And I really respect how you take an open perspective to view this topic. Thanks for the video!
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@oreowizard1 You became an athesit through the bible im curious to ask how so and what is your reasoning to make a decision like that. What is your view on Jesus Christ?
7051kevin 2 months ago
@7051kevin Thanks for asking me without provoking an argument that was very nice of you! (not being sarcastic lol) I won't lie to you, I've been a very religious person. But as I read the bible more and more, I found out the bible had things I could not agree to. I'm not gay, but God's punishment of Gays are one thing that can be viewed unjustifiable. There are passages in the bibles that says to kill a man who works during sundays.
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@7051kevin The bible emphasizes God's mightiness and his willing to forgive. However it seems like there's a great contradiction to that. When God creates a human, is it not possible for God to see into the man's future? If he can, that means he already knows that the baby he is about to create will go to heaven or not. Basically, he allows criminals to exist despite the fact that he already knew that they would become criminals in the future. and punish them regardless.
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@7051kevin Morality is another issue. The bible tends to look at what is right or wrong from an extremely strict point of view. But you and I already both know that there are exceptions to those strict rules. Let's say you hurt someone's feelings. You feel bad and pray to God and repent your sins. Tell me, is it better to tell that person that you feel terrible for mistreating them or to tell the sky that you are sorry about your actions? Helping others is not based around religion.
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@7051kevin It seems like many people tend to believe what they want to believe. They want to believe in the "good side" of the bible. The part where there is forgiveness and salvation. My opinion of Jesus Christ? Why couldn't we all born to be like Jesus Christ? He still had his free wills, and yet he was the "chosen one", so much for being fair. Why is it that we are all sons and daughters of God, but why are we so different from Jesus?
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@7051kevin Reasoning, thank you for asking me that. According to the Bible, in genesis, adam and eve was born in a wonderful garden. ok. But to tempt them, God plants a tree (which DOES NOT have to be there if he wishes) that he forbids. It is obvious that there is no trust for the humans, and that he wishes to test them. Then he CREATES the snake to tempt them. Then in the end, adam and eve end up as sinners. For 2 people's sin, humanity is kicked out of the paradise. Sounds fair?
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@7051kevin This is much like saying that a child of a person should suffer for what the person had done, which is absolutely ridiculous. But the real question should be focused on human's ability to sin. Why did God grant the ability to sin to Humans and tempt them knowingly that they will be tempted? I know many answer that he wished us to have free will, but you already know that with the power to create the universe, giving a man both free will and the will to be good is possible.
oreowizard1 2 months ago
@oreowizard1 I would talk about the unjustifiable behavior of Christians' calling Gay people sinners, but I'll stop here for now. Thank you for the question, and I hope I did not offend you. I believe that people should believe whatever they wish to, and have nothing against it. But you before you say anything, I hope you understand that I've been in the christian community for a very long time. And was not a "fake believer". Thank you
oreowizard1 2 months ago
I don't understand why you called yourself a Christian or were one, see that is the huge reason why individuals don't believe in god is because there are way to many fakes or professing Christians so called in our churches. That is the main problem, a real Christians is a truly changed individual, you talked the talk but never walked the walk
7051kevin 3 months ago
@7051kevin Your right hes not in a trance anymore he now is a free thinker.AKA real christians dont think outside the box the only thing thier head is at is in the bible and live by the bible like on the news a "real christian" kick has 24 year old daughter out the house and said "your not now daughter anymore only a christian could be in my family and your never welcomed back" after that her little brother and sister hated her and she fell in tears. christian morals are bullshit.
a084123 3 months ago
@a084123 and sorry for the typos lol
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a084123 3 months ago
Why do you all focus mostly on challenging Christians? Why not other beliefs, what I love most is that after 2000yrs and a 3 yr ministry Jesus is still intimidating you all. Rather you like it or not you all believe in something, what atheist group in the world does more for the good of this world then christianty? God cares for you all
7051kevin 3 months ago
@7051kevin "what atheist group in the world"
Atheism is not a group. It's not a statement. It's not a political system. It's a number of individuals that happen to share an opinion. Some people agree that a banana is ripe when it's green.
If you want examples of non-religious well doers: Medecins Sans Frontieres,
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, International Humanist and Ethical Union etc.
I just made some speed research. Christianity is currently involved in 16 wars around the world.
DrHowbeit 3 months ago
To beat a christian or any other thiest in a religious debate just ask for proof of their god. Easy as pie.
9N8X 3 months ago
@9N8X What usually ends up happening is they either ask for proof of atheism, nature is the proof, bible is proof, or some long William Lane Craig diversion that answers nothing.
mistereveready 3 months ago
I agree with you 100%! I am not an Xtian, or Athiest but I have had my fair share of talks with the Xtian community!
KingOystar 4 months ago
DEBATING A FELLOW HUMAN BEING ON THEIR IDEAS SEEMS RIDICULOUS. IF YOU WANT TO DEBATE WHY DONT YOU ARGUE OVER WHO GIVES TO THE POOR AND HELPS THE WOMAN WHO JUST LOST HER HOUSE OR HER KIDS ARE SICKLY. WHY DONT YOU ARGUE ABOUT HOW TO HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS. WHO CARES WHAT YOU CALL GOD JESUS ALLAH BHUDDAH. DOESNT MATTER ONE BIT AND DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING. DOES NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. THE CREATOR WILL EXIST AND CONTINUE TO EXIST WHETHER HIS NAME IS ROCK SAND SKY CLOUDS OR A PERSONS NAME.
ericdisney1 4 months ago
@ericdisney1 dude he's not arguing what the name is, he's arguing about religion and people's beliefs by themselves. Why argue about all those things? Nothing to argue about, it's a good thing to help the poor, it's a good thing to help your fellow human being at almost all costs. I think it's sad that you feel that everyone has the same views as you do, which would be that you feel you are such an immoral and wicked animal, that you use such a form of paranoia to keep yourself in check.
IBelieveinProgress 4 months ago
@IBelieveinProgress i dont care who you are or what woman gave birth to you. all i care about is giving to the poor. being kind to others. taking care of the animals. i care about nature. donating to charities. visiting people in jail. talking to the elderly about their past. picking up trash on the streets from irresponsible people.
ericdisney1 4 months ago
Howard, regarding "the puke I spit up"
Yes or no; Adam & Eve were created by god & were the first humans on earth..?
directtalk1 4 months ago
revhowardgoss here told me god invented science (!) the discoveries required and mental challenges needed to be won here to prove that claim are nothing less stunning and would make him one of the most famous people on earth for centuries to come. however i think we can all agree that that will NEVER happen.
what's that you say howard...faith is all you need? hmmm, a theists favorite hiding place is the word faith....maybe not, let's see. .howard.? howard? howard?
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 Your entire screed is based on a faulty premise, that the Bible and Christianity are mutually exclusive. There are many Christian scientists, regardless of the puke you spit up insisting otherwise.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
have an excellent day! :) i have to go now this weather is irresistible :P
mikesytoria 4 months ago
It's interesting how Christians view this video and argue, they feel the need to do so as clearly they doubt their beliefs, that doubt is called intelligence. The universe is 6000 years old, the earth is flat, the sun goes around us, Eve was made from a rib from Adam.! C'mon.! Once upon a time everyone believed in (a) god and believed all the bullshit that they were fed....that time was called..'The Dark Ages'
The more we hear from preachers, the more we all want to learn from teachers.!
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 The Dark Ages ended when the Bible began to be printed and distributed to the masses who had previously had no access to its instruction. Knowledge exploded, the majority of advancements in science and medicine were due to Christian established universities,;just because some believed the earth was flat doesn't mean that came from the Bible. So you believe that single celled organisms crawled out of the musk, developed lungs, grew hair, and became truck drivers? THAT'S a fairy tale!
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss looks like someone's a little off on their history... XD the dark ages was a time literally ruled by christianity.. the crusades-holy wars, coverting the many germanic pagan tribes to christianity..it was during this time that christianity began to spread like a wildfire.. sure this was precursor to the printing press advancements in the 1400s.. but through centuries of conquer the average joe of the time just believed whatever he was told... :P
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@mikesytoria Yeah, you are WAY off on a lot of things. First, the Catholic church is a false religion. All the things you mention were done by Catholics. So your point is irrelevant
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss guess what? your entire first statement that i replied to was done by the catholic church, want to know why? lol because the protestant revolution had not yet occured! :P btw i'm not off on anything, YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE MISTAKEN ONE :) in addition not all this was done by catholic churches LOL. after the protestant revolution guess who was in charge? yes the protestants.. now take in mind pratically overnight entire nations that were catholic since their foundation..
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@mikesytoria There are some things regarding church history you do not know, regardless of how much you pat yourself on the back for your intelligence. My church, the Apostolic Pentecostal church, never went astray with the Catholic church. We never subscribed to its heresy. Therefore we did not come out of it with the Protestants, because we were never part of it. The Catholics were not the true church after the time the Apostolic fathers all passed off the scene.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss are now protestant... this is the cause for the chaos.. catholics were being rooted out and put to death because they no longer believed the same interpretation/practice as the king/queen of their nation...yeah...don't argue with a history book... you'll typically lose everytime
wall street? you call that utopia? that's a mockery...
nothing but a bunch bafoons running around trying to one up each other :P they are devoid of the morals and values that i hold close to heart
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss when i say kindness and respect, i mean kindness and respect.. and i'll be the first to tell you that that day is far away.. but the tides of change start with just one person.. if i could give my life for people to see things straight i would do it 1000 times over and just be getting warmed up.. this goes for people of religion as well as hopeless non-believers..and there are just so many just vile-backwards people of both theology and atheism.. but hey gotta start somewhere ^.^
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@mikesytoria You are wasting your time and energy. What you envision is not possible without God.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@mikesytoria, you are posting some very accurate and interesting facts but remember; arguing with some theists is often a waste of time as they have 2 golden rules:
1. Ignore all rational thought
2. When forced to face rational thought, refer to rule 1
Personally, I have patience with stupidity, but not from theists who choose to be stupid.!
Best to you
directtalk1 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss however a truly great period of history was the renaissance..which occured after the middle ages.. it was a period of time where people in general looked away from religion and began to look at the world in a scientific manner..it was during this time that intellectual greats began to look away from the church supported concept of the humors and other silly "cosmic" occurences that they had relied on to convert the germanic tribes in previous centuries.. :P
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss unfortunately after this brief time of absolute advancement..what does the church do? they adapt the ideas of the scientific advancements (quietly of course) and during this time it is when the churches first begin to really stress the idea of hell, eternal damnation, and the devil living on earth... it existed prior but prior to this time period a good education was non-existant, thus people believe what ever you tell them.. (lack of critical thinking skills)
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss why you say? because an outside force called science and intellectual innovation is threatening the authority and power of christianity... and this still being during the 1600s, the average joe is still not that educated...needless to say uneducated people tend to be very superstitious... and superstitions usually are backed by fear...and people who have not been alowed to persue their intellectual potential on these new scientific topics are very susceptible to let fear rule them
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss thus religion resurfaces... leading into a series of civil wars in europe over how to interpret the scripture.. ironically each of the various sides saying if you worship anyway but how we worship you are going to burn in hell for eternity... you find that fear is a very reoccuring theme in religion.. even to this day... the easiest way to make a dog obey you is to make them fear the wrath of punishment.. same applies for people who are ignorant to certain domains in life..
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss i take it you're a very religious person.. but it's time for mankind to advance to the next level.. it's time for each and everyone of us to live our lives to be the very best we can be, learning everything we can from those who came before us, from day one till the day we die... then after aquiring a life time worth of invaluable knowledge we pass it down to our children..
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss insted of teaching our kids that a pefrect and pure creater of everything sends people to burn in the fiery debts of hell for eternity simply for personal disbelief, we teach them to be kind, generous, and understanding of each and everyone living this life together.. we learn from those who came before and pass everything down to those who will inherit this planet after we're gone.. we live our lives striving to be the very best we can be..
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss we can reach a level of humanity where no one starves, where there is no more sickness, where each and every human being shows total and compete respect, kindness, and understanding for each other...but this will not happen if 'false hope' continues to make the masses content with living a mediocre life, never pushing themselves to be the very best they can be, and overall wasting their potential to advance mankind....only because a book said at the end of it all is eternal bliss
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@mikesytoria And all of your kind protesting on Wall St are examples of your utopian paradise? They pretty much all have the same beliefs as you, and look at them. They are the end result of your way of thinking. Trashy, immoral, unkempt, lazy, narcissistic, dregs of humanity. NO, THANKS, I'll keep my beliefs that inspire me to work hard, be honest, and respect the law, and be clean and decent human beings.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss Wall St...! Let's put an order on issues that effect mankind, and near the top of that list is aids in Africa, fueled by catholic mental midgets advising them not to use condoms.! Like all theists, your views on reality are very warped.
directtalk1 4 months ago
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@revhowardgoss i'm a young man, but one day i strive to achieve a society where each and every person treats each other with absolute respect and shows kindness out of the bottom of their heart...not for fear of punishment..
80% of why people believe is fear of punishment, the other 20% is hope of reward.. the fact that billions of people will burn forever doesn't bother christians..just as long as them and everyone they know go to heaven.
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss this is selfish..
and my vision is something greater.sure when we die..we die..but as a matter of fact we were dead for billions and billions of years before we were ever born.interesting we simply return to the same state we were at since the beginning of time
people will learn that it is ok to live a life without a god
people will learn that is ok to show complete and total kindness for all human beings without a god
it is this mindset that will raise humanity to the next level
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss it will make life on earth truely limitless devoid of the boundaries and intellectual poisons of religion
i am aware that i will never see this reality-but the sheer fact that one day my descendants will walk this earth with a complete understanding of things-showing each and every human being kindness-respect-and an unconditional understanding, will make devoting my life to this vision truely a small price to pay indeed
knowledge is power, and kindness is the key to the future(:
mikesytoria 4 months ago
@mikesytoria You are right, you will never see it, neither will anyone else, because it exists only in the minds of idiots. Oh, yeah , let's all hold hands and wear flowers in our hair. You are full of poppycock.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss, religious beliefs are based on faith. Science, on empirical evidence. Your failure to grasp evolutionary biology is only a problem for theists. The hands of 1 chemist does more to save life than a million hands clasped in prayer. How's cholera cured, how do glasses help you see? Science does not pray for results. Theists induce fact & rely on faiths to believe them, science deduces fact & the masses went to church to hear the bible before it went to print..think man, think!
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 Your entire point is based on a lie. Christianity does not reject science and medical research. Who told you that? TV? Preposterous! Yet you keep spouting it. God created science. The Scripture promotes knowledge and research. There is not one proven scientific fact that contradicts the Bible. It takes a boatload of faith to swallow evolution, to believe we are all random accidents. Your way of thinking is the epitome of blind ignorance.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
It is not acceptable or intelligent to believe that the a God who supposedly gave us our senses, reason, intelligence & wisdom...would wish for us to abandon their use.!
directtalk1 4 months ago
The level of inspiration from a bible depends on the level of ignorance of the person reading it
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 Exactly right! The highly ignorant receive NO inspiration from it. They hold it in contempt.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss. I think you've misunderstood the quote, The ignorant are inspired by the bible, the educated get nothing from it.
Please, don't pray in educational establishments and I won't think in your church.!
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 No, I had it right. You are one of those ignoramuses.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss
Religious people who do not like their beliefs being laughed at, should not have such hysterical beliefs.
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 It is irrelevant whether you laugh at my beliefs. I don't form beliefs based on the approval of fools. What an asinine way of looking at things you have, my dear!
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
@revhowardgoss, Ha, fools you say.! Well, it's a statistical fact that all religions are loosing followers. Why? Because fortunately gods are fragile and delicate things; they can be killed by a whiff of science or a tiny dose of intelligence thus Christian rules have constantly changed to fit scientific discoveries...or do you still think the earth is still flat and the sun goes around us..?
Ha. Good luck...sweetheart.!
directtalk1 4 months ago
@directtalk1 exactly right! the people who find inspiration in that decrepit book obviously have no idea what they are reading, or have completely shut down their ability to use logic and critical thinking.. :P
mikesytoria 4 months ago
it will make life on earth truely limitless devoid of the boundaries and intellectual poisons of religion..
sure i am aware that i will never see this reality..but the sheer fact that one day my descendants will walk this earth with a complete understanding of things, showing each and every human being kindness, respect, and an unconditional understanding, will make devoting my life to this vision truely a small price to pay indeed..
knowledge is power, and kindness is the key to the future. :)
mikesytoria 4 months ago
this is selfish..
and my vision is something greater..sure when we die..we die..but as a matter of fact we were dead for billions and billions of years before we were ever born..interesting we simply return to the same state we were at since the beginning of time :)
people will learn that it is ok to live a life without a god..
people will learn that is ok to show complete and total kindness for all human beings without a god
it is this mindset that will raise humanity to the next level..
mikesytoria 4 months ago
ok people there is no god...plain and simple...
i'm a young man, but one day i strive to achieve a society where each and every person treats each other with absolute respect and shows kindness out of the bottom of their heart...not for fear of punishment..
80% of why people believe is fear of punishment, the other 20% is hope of reward.. the fact that billions of people will burn forever doesn't bother christians..just as long as them and everyone they know go to heaven..
mikesytoria 4 months ago
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If you could reason with religious people then there would he no religious people.
Desitch 4 months ago
Why would you want to "reach out" to christians? To drag them down to your level? What does atheism Possibly have to offer? Hopelessness? Despair? Nothingness?
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
what does a secular thinking progressive lifestyle have to offer? CIVIL RIGHTS. you are the one that is hopeless. what does your religion have to offer? hope and fear??...nothingness?? you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. "atheism" doesnt HAVE to offer anything. that is just YOUR WEAK MIND trying to think, well try harder. we've gone from polytheism, to monotheism, to atheism. we are progressing our minds, you all are stuck believing your primitive fairy tales. HAHA.
ironlung1028 4 months ago
@ironlung1028 After looking at your channel, interests, etc., I just wonder what would make you think anyone else would even listen to anything you have to say. Punk rock? Chronic smoker? Watching a lot of movies? Get real. No wonder you think the way you do. Garbage in- garbage out.
revhowardgoss 4 months ago
It's a bit creepy how there's 666 likes :P
But don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to indicate that Atheists are in relation of the devil, I'm just saying this in a humorous sense.
Camikazee100 4 months ago
All great advice.
I would add, one strength of many religions is the fact that they do seem kind of silly in the light of day. If you make someone look foolish in the process of the discussion, that person will shut down, get angry, and avoid similar discussions for a long time.
On the other hand, my own peace of mind requires that I sometimes taunt people who are really asking for it, but, hey, pick your battles!
Keep on posting, nice work.
MrZardoz777 5 months ago
Free from faith? More like please chain me up again. If the bible contradicts itself like you say. where? you say you know the word so well. why dont you give scriptural examples? simply because there are none. I will pray for you. Satan has such a tight grasp on your life. I will pray for you.
mindymerc 5 months ago
@mindymerc Thats what Im sayin'!
free from faith....He's creating his own faith. By saying he believes so strongly in absolutely no religion...He's making his own religion. And by saying their is no God he's acknowledging God.
LilPacMan96 5 months ago
Amen!!!! I've noticed that being focused, not going off on tangents and being polite works best.
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
How do you debate someone who went through all the crap you have arrived at and came out to accept the Lord.
Sorry there is no debate. Some of us will remain "foolish" at the preaching of the cross.
TR5T 6 months ago
Why go out of your way to strip people of their beliefs, it doesnt hurt you. Even if they are annoyingly stupid, you preaching to them about atheism is just as annoying for them, even though you are actually right. Just a thought, seems like wasted energy thats all
bexlerartois1 6 months ago
@bexlerartois1 - actually, christianity - GOD & JESUS has hurt me. my language and culture are at near extinction .. and everytime one of my people gives themselves to the lord .. thats one more person who could have helped save our ways .. and that happened to a lot of indigenous cultures throughout the world .. so, an all out campaign against your god and jesus needs to happen to save us ..
knobsworth 5 months ago
@knobsworth Sounds more like Christians have hurt you, not God or Jesus.
jerjern 5 months ago
@jerjern - ? - I see your reasoning behind that. True enough.
Christianity as a whole include God, Jesus & Christians though. You can not have a christian without God.
I guess I'm looking at it like a business structure. Gods at the top - Upper Management. Christians are his servants - employees. Why would I blame an individual employee of a company when it's the companies policy aka the bible that drive them?
knobsworth 5 months ago
@knobsworth I understand your reasoning. However, I don't believe the two necessarily go hand in hand. Preservation of culture and languages can happen along with changes in faith.
No disrespect, but I liken the perspective you presented to racism, in that the character of a whole is judged by the actions of individuals not representative of the group. It's also easy to declare that things are done in the name of God when God doesn't directly rebuke those claims. That's all.
jerjern 5 months ago
@jerjern - yes - it's complicated .. bad example .. at the same time - the direction of our living genocide stems solely from all things god, jesus and bible .. it doesn't matter if there are good intentions or bad apples .. our ways and teachings have been disseminated by greed, government, and god .. what initiatives has god or his follower's given to the native man to help maintain his ways and teachings?
knobsworth 5 months ago
@knobsworth Much like the crusades of the past, I think what transpired in the past was driven by greed for power, for resources, etc. God was just used as an excuse. Basically I blame people. I'm not trying to defend the faith here, but rather to point out that people are capable of countless callous acts, especially when they can justify their actions in their heads, whether it be a religious motivation, or patriotic, or whatever have you.
jerjern 5 months ago
@bexlerartois1 because debating is like jacking off and proving that i'm right is like cumming
digitalblasphemy1100 5 months ago
ohh a typo.. luckly i dont give a fuck about how that word is spelled, because its made up anyway :)
b1gbudda 7 months ago
@b1gbudda
Every word is made up...
HDaviator 7 months ago
@HDaviator right, just as every word in the bible is made up, by mankind
b1gbudda 7 months ago
Well spoken and good strategy. Thank You.
aducksecho 7 months ago
I was sharing my issues with the Bible with my Mother tonight, particularly the slaughter of the Egyptian firstborns in the story of Moses vs. Pharaoh (the tenth plague upon Egypt). "Thousands of innocent babies probably died, how is that just? Why not just kill Pharaoh?" I queried. She responded, "Yeah, but Pharaoh was hard-hearted. That's what got Pharaoh to change his mind." *sigh*
jgaz10 7 months ago
@IAMBOOMIN3223
Christianity is a religion.
HDaviator 7 months ago
@HDaviator Let me correct that for you. hristianity is a religion that should be banned
b1gbudda 7 months ago
i may agree your a dumv person u got tricked and fell good job have a happy life now suffer later
extremeforce20 7 months ago
@extremeforce20
If you are going to call someone dumb, at least learn how to write English properly.
HDaviator 7 months ago
@HDaviator this is not a school its not something people check your
English and don't say about English speaking because i bet your using spell check and i can write or talk english how ever i want
extremeforce20 6 months ago
@extremeforce20
If you call someone dumb and completely suck at writing, it just makes your comment that much more retarded.
HDaviator 6 months ago
While I appreciate your sensibility, the 'nice' approach is quite ineffectual. The basis of such delusional thinking as Christian Mythology is a fundamental contempt for INTELLECTUAL HONESTY. Our History (even up to today) overwhelmingly demonstrates the blatant harm 'Believers' commit (directly and indirectly). No, it is a scourge of Mankind, and needs to be eradicated, not by force, but by making people feel humiliated for choosing NON-SENSE over Reason! It's not mean...it's NECESSARY!!!
evman5000 7 months ago
I hate when people try to argue like that. you have to find common ground to argue on.
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 7 months ago
@3:32 "If all else fails, just pretend to [love them] in order to get your foot in the door."
You lost me when you started advocating dishonesty in our approach to dealing with Christians. This reminds me of the Muslim cleric who approved of lying in order to convert Jews to Islam.
johnjsal 8 months ago
Sad sad sad, I will debate you on your science. Btw, THE BIBLE SAYS, hatred is in the hearts of man, its in our nature and that nature has to be put down. It doesnt just go away. You admit you are a phony and encourage others to follow that patter. Sad
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter the bible isnt true though, its completely contradictory and false. Mark-16 17:18 it says that if you believe in Jesus you can drink poisen and you will not die. Luke 19:27 "Jesus" tells you to kill non believers. in John 14:14 it says ask for anything and "he will do it" then why doesnt he "jesus" cure cancer patients, amputees, couples who cant have kids etcetc. Thats just a LITTLE handfull of stupid claims made by the bible,
Mutatedsoul 8 months ago
@Mutatedsoul Did you actually read the bible or are you just regurgitating something you read or saw on some website called bible contradictions or something of the like? I cant explain all the things said by jesus because I know that you have to have a receptive heart to understand. Sort of like when he says you can move mountains, can you explain this? btw the lord does heal people, just not all of them. He owes us nothing and we should rejoice in the mercies that we do recieve.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter why doesnt he heal all of them? jesus sez ask and you WILL recieve.. your response, oh he only heals "some" is crap because the "some" are natural remmisions. and yes i did read the bible thats why im ana theist to the bible god fyi. why would he makea book so complicated were half is "allagorical" and half is "non allagorical" and if you get it wrong you deserve hell. total crap
Mutatedsoul 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter also the bible is scientifically not true,it speaks of the world being a circle likea dinner plate, let me explain, Isaiah 40:22.he used the word"circle"when the word"ball" which is a sphere in my opinion was used at the time,in Isiah 22:18-Without fail he will wrap you up tightly,like a BALL for a wide land.Also we can also say that they meant the earth is a flat circle coz of Luke 4:5.How else could satan show jesus a kingdom from israel and a kingdom from rome at the same time
Mutatedsoul 8 months ago
@Mutatedsoul It says he sits enthroned above the circle of the earth and its people are like grasshoppers. Must be TOTALLY wrong cause im not a grasshopper....yeeesh. Dont grasp at straws. Also it says in luke he showed him all the kingdoms of the world, he didnt say he showed him the whole planet, but take that how u want to.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Mutatedsoul You must remember God has a will of his own that is not the same as ours. About the killing non believers, again I dont think he is saying to kill them but speaking on the evil of not submitting yourself to god and the penalty due. Remeber the wages of sin is death, and all have fallen short of the glory of God, Therefore we should recognize our need for salvation and accept gods forgiveness, which is not of ourselves.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter Jesus sez point blank "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me". thats in Luke which is a gospel of jesus... if god can bring Eternal Burning, pain suffering you recon his "son" wouldnt be as disgusting? trust me ive read the bible and i did "pray" for the faith but its only blind, and i cant rely on blind faith, its total crap.
Mutatedsoul 8 months ago
@Mutatedsoul
I just want to know, without trying to convince you from anything or turn you away from your believes:
Why would god punish billions and billions of people, all born as innocent babies, for a sin that some woman, who got tricked by the devil, made thousands of years ago?
And why would you call him a loving god if he will toss you into a searing pit to leave you there to burn and suffer forever if you don't pay your church taxes and visit some materialistic "god-house" every sunday?
CaptainKacknup 8 months ago
@CaptainKacknup where does it say that god will throw you into hell if you dont pay your "church taxes" or visit a god house every sunday. Salvatoin comes through jesus christ alone and not how much you pay or visit. Those thing are just a reflection of where your heart is.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Mutatedsoul
Oh and another thing:
If god is omnipresent and above anything on this earth, why do you have to go to the church anyway? Couldn't you praise him wherever you go, since he's everywhere and within everything?
Also why do hardcore christians say something like the evolution theory is wrong and all life is like 10000 years old when there clearly is evidence of prehistoric life millions of years ago?
People do mistakes, why can't the church admit theirs?
CaptainKacknup 8 months ago
@CaptainKacknup The church does admit mistakes, (flat earth, sun around earth etc.). But, evolution is theory and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. That has nothing to do with age of the earth or prehistoric life, only the nature by which life started. Take a look at all the evidence before you so quickly come to a conclusion. I hear people all the time say things like "game over" "creation proved wrong" based only on minimal info. PLEASE LOOK FURTHER at dna evidence.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter
Please, kindly outline this DNA evidence or link to it. I would very much like to know where this contrary evidence is.
Thanks.
wearemodular 8 months ago
@wearemodular contrary evidence is in the complexity of the cell. DNA is info, ribosome required for rna synthesis, among many other organelles required for proper cell function. Now this is not debated among scientist rather just the ability for these things to happen as a result of natural process or requiring all the parts at one time. Look up irreducible complexity. Scientist and creationist use same info. just debate on cause and effect. all the evidence is the same. thats my best answer
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter Ribosomes read mRNA to synthesize polypeptides. The origins of the cell organelles have theories one of which is a symbiotic relationship between protozoan bacteria (mitochondria, chloroplasts, flagella), archaea (cytoplasm, membrane) and possibly a virus (nucleus). I fail to see how any of this is contrary evidence to evolution? Irreducible complexity is widely unaccepted by the scientific community.
wearemodular 8 months ago
@wearemodular why did you tell me ribosomes read rna, I already said that. I have seen all the theories about chloroplast, mitochondria, cell membranes etc. These are all hypothesis, which, if you choose to believe is your decision but not gonna try to convince you they are untrue, would rather stick to what is known, which is what the evolutionist say "look at the facts". Cellular complexity is a fact which has not been able to broken down by facts, only theories.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@wearemodular Therefore how can irreducible complexity be widely unaccepted if it hasnt been disproven. Anybody with a brain can come up with theories about something but that does not make something so. Ive already stated that what is known and accepted is not under dispute, it is cause and effect. I have not seen anything even remotely conclusive to explain complexity of living organisms.
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter Irreducible complexity is psuedoscience, which will never be disproven because it is untestable. The symbiotic relationship is just one explantation that is being studied at this very moment. It's also one small part of cellular biology and an even smaller part of evolutionary biology. Refuting the validity of evolution based on that one small point is like saying the universe doesn't exist because we don't know where gravity came from.
wearemodular 8 months ago
@wearemodular Do you see how you so easily reject an idea but say something like "the validity of evolution". Based on what? how is irreducible complexity pseudoscience rather than an idea that somethings are to complex to be broken down? Seems like some people are so stuck on the idea that god didnt create that they will just believe theories and reject anything to the contrary based not on facts but rather assumption. Do you believe in panspermia? Thats a thoery that is being thrown around?
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter I can easily reject irreducible complexity. It goes against scientific principle.
Evidence for evolution is easily found. Searches in any scientific journal such as jstor, plos or science etc. will give you a wealth of information regarding the topic.
To make it easier for you search this:
Bridgham JT, Carroll SM, Thornton JW (April 2006). "Evolution of hormone-receptor complexity by molecular exploitation". Science 312 97–101. doi:10.1126/science.1123348.
wearemodular 8 months ago
@Micahthetatter Based on what? Thousands of individual scientists doing individual testing. Peer reviewed work which is scrutinized to the highest degree, tested and re-tested and proven in ALL fields of scientific study. Gravity is "Just a Theory" as well. Science IS facts, and a fact finding quest. Irreducible complexity has been debunked time and time again by scientific study, with evidence. "Panspermia" is a hypothesis, not a fully accepted scientific Theory.
lebeaubastion 7 months ago
@lebeaubastion So, with facts, can you tell me how life started or how to reduce the complexity of a living cell?
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatter science cannot honestly answer that question. No one can, not even your holy book. Science is trying to close in on it though. And yes, you can reduce the complexity of a living cell. It would take you a few minutes searching the web for those facts to find them. You can spill a cells "guts" if you will, and study its components. You can also go back and trace through you know, fossils, of how eyes, and other systems developed. Its not rocket science.
lebeaubastion 7 months ago
@lebeaubastion so if you can tell me how to reduce the complexity of a cell I would like to know how. Dont tell me to look it up, I have, I want you to tell me what you think you know. Sure you can study all the organelles, but how do you get a cell to work without them, that is the question? If you dont know how life started then how can you say with certainty that god didnt do it, or is it that you just dont want God to be true? That would be my guess.
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatter It would be great if God were true, fascinating too. But there just is no proof for it, I'm sorry. I won't look things up for you, you are not a preschooler needing me to hold your hand..... or are you? I do my own research on everything that I question, and so should you, and further and longer than Christian sites or quote mined pages.
lebeaubastion 7 months ago
@lebeaubastion And ya, duh...I didnt think it was rocket science, its called biology. Also, the development of biological mechanisms is all theoretical, there is no factual proof of these ideas. If there is please let me know what it is. You sound very condascending but you have not provided any information except to say things along the lines of "smart people said so". Think harder
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatter Telling me to "think harder" because I research my own stuff and "listen to smart people" is about the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard. Biology and other sciences are hardly theoretical. If they were all the things you enjoy for modern life wouldn't be possible. You know, Technology, the love child of science. If you wish to believe in a bronze age book over time tested repeatable proofs, go for it. Just dont expect the rest of us to ignore knowledge in favor of superstition
lebeaubastion 7 months ago
@lebeaubastion Are you telling me abiogenesis is not theoretical? How about panspermia? It seems to me, according to your former comments, that you dont even know what irreducible complexity is. It is not the inability to brak down an organism, but the inability for an organism to function without all components. So do you think that you should just listen to what any smart person says, lots of smart people are still wrong about many things. Still waiting for your so called proofs.
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatter blissfull ignorance. take a bow champ.extraordinary claims etc.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au what exactly are you refering to? You wanna just call me ignorant without backing it up. If you care to debate my claims I have no problem with that cause im certain i will make you look ignorant.
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatterwhy would i need to back up any sort of claims/evidence against such, weak minded, insecure, perhaps victimised, self deceiving, indoctronated,fool.now if you have all this wonderful evidence, im sure the science community would love to hear from you. just think of all that fame when sagen,dawkins, einstien, are held over a barrell by your nuggets of genius.hey im rooting for you kid, fingers crossed. think of all that fame and legendary status.so come on champ, the world awaits u
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au nice copout, clearly indicative of your intillectual capacity and inability to debate. You cant even tell me what my extraordinary claims are, you just default to insults. Your comments are completley dismissive to me, I study, it is obvious you do not. thanx for grand expression of ignorance. oh, and why are you calling me a kid, im 36 years old and have 7 kids so thanks for another expression of your sheer stupidity. Btw sagen thinks there are aliens, thats not a grand claim at all.
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@kram83au cont. dawkins believes in abiogenesis, which is completley unfounded, and einstein was a theist sooooo...... which one of these scientists claims are you defending, genius. until you back up a claim or refute any of mine (which you have not even stated yet) i will consider you incompetent and a troll. have a nice day
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatter such a dissapointment, the science world was hodling its breath there for a moment. lol .not very observant, im older than you son, so get over it. i would never go down the science road, i know my limitations and so should you . the sagen claim, is distortored. not more than what id expect from an indoctronated mind. so come on make history, you v got the answers. fingers crossed for you son. hey and a double post. oh the smell of desperation in the morning.lol.
kram83au 7 months ago
@kram83au Really, yousaying sagen doesnt believe in aliens? I will go down the science road, not my fault you cant. How is double post desperation? I had more to say than could fit in 1 post, so what. You seem so sure of yourself but cannot back anything up, you just insult out of ignorance. Until you actually have an educated, meaninful commemnt to say I wont respond to you. P.S. not sure how age has anything to do with it, just says youve been ignorant for a longer period of time
Micahthetatter 7 months ago
@Micahthetatter mirror.
kram83au 7 months ago
@Mutatedsoul Faith by default is blind otherwise it wouldnt be faith anymore now would it. God and his son are of the same nature, thats not hard to figure out
Micahthetatter 8 months ago
dude unbeleif has eaten you up.. :(
it sad to see people that were just like me.. i just gotta say man, DONT teach people your unbeleif.. i cant imagine how angry god will be on judgement day.. :(
get saved man, its were you belong. and trust me its possible for you to get saved from this path you've chosen, cause i was a worse backslider than you.
sunnyallstars 8 months ago
@sunnyallstars sorry to hear taht you were "worse" and im glad and hope you are a better person now.But dont wory because the Judea christian god is "worser".10th plague of Egypt he killed ALL the first borns "even babies" to prove a point.in2 Kings 2:23 god orded 2 bears to MAUL 42 little boys for teasing a bald head man.Numbers 21:18 Moses comanded the killing of all the Mediates and for the soldiers to keep all the firgin women. Also to stone Adulters/Homosexuals.many more were thatcame from
Mutatedsoul 8 months ago
As a Christian who likes to discuss my faith I am very grateful for your thoughtful approach to this issue. I don't agree with some things you say, but your point about debating the Bible is so important! Also, I totally agree with what you say about respectfulness, too many from both sides are failing to address this debate with any grace. Thanks for this video mate, keep up the great work.
cptrob23 9 months ago
@knowwaie You're fat. Lose some weight. See, I can spew ad hominem non sequitars too! What's it like being a shameless troll? Seems like a sad existence. A conservatard christian too, how surprising... Suck my cock loser, and have fun being... you. I don't envy ya.
AnonymLonen 9 months ago
@AnonymLonen wow...you envy homeless, and ask other men to suck your cock? o__O go ask ur dad to suck ur cock, and go give a homeless man 50 cents, thats all ur good at
IwarnU1617 9 months ago
@IwarnU1617 wow.. call yourself a christian, would jesus say that? Mathew 22:39, love thy neighbour as yourself? Luke 6:31 Treat other same way you want to be treated. if anything you should be going off scripture in 1 Peter 3:15 to be ready to give an answer about the bible. by you saying that you recon you are changing his mind? such hippocracy?
Mutatedsoul 8 months ago
@Mutatedsoul actually no i dont consider myself a christian for your information.. "treat others the way you want to be treated" umm last i checked, homeless people strive and live off of our money .. that we work hard for! its so easy to just ask for it, ask him to get a job and see what hell answer you.. just like churches.. its so easy to ask for others money.. but do they know what those people had to do for that money..no they dont! god dosnt need your money.. an ill person does
IwarnU1617 8 months ago