"Then why are asking for our government officials to get involve and criminalize surgical and non-surgical abortion(RU 486/ Medical birth control Abortion pill)?"
Because I think abortion is a horrible crime, that's why. Believing something should be outlawed doesn't mean you're for big government. Take rape for example. I absolutely think rape should be illegal. When it comes to rape, I'm okay with people sticking their noses in other people's affairs and what they do with their bodies.
Fines should be levied at whoever's responsible when children are used in pro-abortion propaganda. How DARE they use them that way!
Millions of people are adamant that Roe v. Wade & its equivalents in other nations need to be revisited. They're coming at it not only with religious faith, but also evidence from medical science, technology, social sciences. Evidence points to it being BOTH morally wrong & socially damaging. The day is coming, at a turtle's pace, not a rabbit's, but it's COMING.
@billthemisogynist Your absolutely right!!! Sign me up to the MRA's It's time to strip all women of their rights!!! No more abortion,No more birth control,No more contraception and sterilization,No more adoptions,No more women working in industries or owning property and businesses,no education for women,No more voting,no more women taking money from the man or husbands or getting any of the man's rather their married or not.let keep women at home,barefooted and pregnant!
Hey will we're at it.Let's change the law on rape,Domestic violence and everything.I see now men should be able to have and do what ever they want and women should not.So count me in.
@ashatbulaparanormal Well it's about time you woke up!! Been telling you that for a year now a woman's place in life is at home,obeying,serving man and barring children.Now you believe me?
@billthemisogynist Thanks!! And yes,I believe you now.I'll sign everything there is to sign to get every last woman in the world rights revoked.Let's see if these pro-life women like being controlled by men and made to feel like a servant,slave and breeding mare.
@ashatbulaparanormal now you're just acting hysterical and insane. Like I have to defend against all those absurd accusations of sexism. That's a very typical and desperate tactic to use and it's very see-through. I obviously can not carry on a rational conversation with you, so I think this is as far as we can go. Take care of yourself.
@Ju87s Oh yes,this conversation is over between us.hysterical and insane,girl you ain't seen nothing yet. I'm going to make sure the law is changed so Women can't get their hands on the man's money anymore.Woman enough to give birth,then they should be woman enough to keep it and raise it without the aid of the government and child support money from the man. Women won't be getting a dime from a man after I'm done.
@ashatbulaparanormal ok, since you brought it up, I'll ask you one more question. Since your stance is that it's a woman's body, so having a child is a woman's choice, why should a man who wanted her to have an abortion be responsible for paying child support?
@Ju87s My personal opinion,men shouldn't have to pay child support.That is why most women don't get abortion,so they can get child support from the man.They know the court law is in their favor.They have the fetus to get money from the man.That is why the bitch next door to me is popping out her 7 th fetus and plans to have more.
The Orwellian BS in this video is so laughable. They're all hugging children at the end. If those children's mother's made the "choice" to abort them, they wouldn't be there...
really weak argument for abortion or pro-choice. A woman can choose by either no having sex or taking a pretty good chance with protection. That is when she has a choice. AS far as rape goes I do not understand killing the child because someting horrible and terrible happened to his or her mother. Rape is horrible but I do not see how or why it is a good reason for pro-chocie.
@Thatsamistery Oh so if I was a 13 year old girl who was brutally raped and that resulted in pregnancy it would be selfish of me to abort my baby? Hmm, I think you logic is flawed here. You can't just think about it like that. As a person you should realize that you're faced with choices and that on your own, those choices should be made. Just because in your personal opinion you see it's wrong, doesn't mean it's not a logical choice for another woman out there. Don't limit anyone's options.
@thesoapthatfloats Actually, his logic is not flawed. Oh, so if a 10 week old baby was being threatened by its thirteen year-old mother to be killed, would it be selfish to say no? Choices are REQUIRED to be limited in society. I don't get the legal choice to kill the 7-11 guy, or rob the bank because it HURTS other people. Abortion does too. If you think choice is all that matters, you're ignorant beyond belief.
@Bobanamanamo Thirteen year old mother who had also been brutally raped. As a 14 year old myself I find that barbaric and awful. If I, being in that position were to make a choice such as that I would choose abortion. Your beliefs and mine on abortion differ greatly and that's fine but to other women they see this choices as fit for their own needs. When you look at abortion you see it as killing a "baby" (not the correct term of a premature developing group of cells in the human body) and
@Bobanamanamo....describe it as killing a full grown body of cells with intellect and memory and family, everything under the sun AKA the 7 11 guy. This way of thinking puts you in a mental state that it is no longer a medical procedure and that it is a murder. A medical procedure that should be available and will remain available for every woman who chooses the undertake it. That is all.
You have the choice for the Plan B pill (not to be confused with the abortion pill) you have the choice to have protected sex, and the choice of birth control, you also have the choice of Adoption.. Abortion should not be a choice.
In a case where a pregnant woman looses her child from abuse from another party, that individual is charged with MURDER. However, people point out that a child is a choice, or a blob of tissue.. then why is that individual charged with MURDER? Exactly..
@OmgLiikeWtf says: You have the choice for the Plan B pill you have the choice to have protected sex, and the choice of birth control,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Why dont you make yourself the sex police and go door to door making sure everyone is having sex to YOUR liking?? Who in the hell do you think you are wanting control of people embryos and sexaul exploits??
@OmgLiikeWtf says: then why is that individual charged with MURDER?
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because the womans right to HER fetuses fate was taken from her. We assume the woman is going to give birth to her child unless SHE decides differently. Its no one else decision.The murder charge is there for the fetus who COULD have been born, but now cant. BUT, that law V CANT stop abortion.
@OmgLiikeWtf says: pregnant woman looses her child from abuse from another party, that individual is charged with MURDER
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its called murder because Bush Jr signed that law and hes a frickin idiot, BUT, he made w sure that law was worded as to NOT give fetuses the right to be born. If you were educated, you;'d know this.
~~~~~~~ Stop aborting and you'll have a possible one MILLIOn throw away babies each yr...thats 80 frickin MILLION in your damned lifetime. Who is the hell is going to adopt 80 MILLION kids in 80 Yrs? Can you imagine the insanity of that??? try loving the kids more than you hate abortion. I know it will be hard for you...but tyr!!
@Sueezee1 Not me.Not my responsibility to take in or care for someone else's off spring.I'm tired of my tax dollars paying for adoption Agencies,welfare and CPS industries.
@ashatbulaparanormal says:Not my responsibility to take in or care for someone else's off spring.I'm tired of my tax dollars paying for adoption Agencies,welfare and CPS industries.
@Ju87s first of all tax payers don't pay for abortions,secondly,If I had a choice to pick one or the other.I'd go with funding abortion,a lot better then paying for a bunch of idiots for the rest of their life....
@Ju87s just because you want to give all you hard earn money away,does not mean the rest of us do..Since your so much against abortion and women's choice..Then get your butt over here and you can cater to this 28 year old female that's on fetus number 7,on welfare, all different fathers.. and plans to have as many as she can.. You can also shut your mouth and quit complaining about all these teen pregnancy...
@Ju87s That is not up to me to control other women's reproductive system,that is their choice...I control mine and I do what I think is best for me and my family...Now you on the other hand,don't want women to have that choice,nor do you want people in general to have a choice!! If a unexpected pregnancy springs up and that women does not want it,your going to make her have it, while me and other tax payers pay for it !!!
@ashatbulaparanormal what a pathetic tactic that is, but it's so common from you people on the pro-abortion side of the debate, that I come to expect it. You have to attack my character, and try to paint a picture of me as a sexist who is against women's rights. That is how weak your ground is. This isn't a women's rights issue, this is about human rights. Women don't have the right to kill their offspring. That is not something that a woman should be able to have a choice about--
@Ju87s Oh okay*Grin* Then what give humans the right to kill other humans,no matter what they've done?? Shut down the United States Armed Forces, shut down all biological & nuclear war research,shut down the death penalty,shut down all medical & drug research..Hell,why we're at it,let's shut down all forms of transportation air,land and sea..shut down all weapons from a tooth pick to the foods we eat..
@ashatbulaparanormal "Then what give humans the right to kill other humans,no matter what they've done?" Uh, nothing gives humans the right to kill other humans. Yes, lets absolutely shut down our military industrial complex! Absolutely, lets shit down bio+nuclear warfare research! Lets get rid of the death penalty! I'm with you on all those. But why would we shut down transportation? You're going way off track in many different directions.
@Ju87s Nope,actually right on track, Transportation(air,land & sea) kills humans,a tooth pick to the simple foods we eat kills humans...
I'm not with you on shutting down military forces or death penalty and why would you want them shut down in the first place? I mean come on, are you that dumb to leave your self that unprotected for some other country to come and control you? So your willing to pay for a serial killer or a person who robs or murder someone for the rest of his or her life?
I don't know about you,but I'm not going to pay for a serial killer or someone who offed their partner for the rest of their life..No wonder there is so many criminals..Free rent,no bills to worry about,three squares meals a day,free educational degrees that they are never going to get to use,but they get one.. all at the expense of our taxes..Heck,prisoners are treated better then none prisoners..
@Ju87s what??? I follow all current events!!! from Charles Manson to Casey Anthony..I can name a lot of serial killers that are in prison and some that are still free.
and now wanted by the FBI...So what's your point?? I have a point, check out the life and times of Charles Manson..google serial killers in prison...heck, why your at it google America's most wanted... Watch your local news and news around the world..Now you and the whole world knows Casey Anthony got away with what she did..How many more is she going to get away with before she's finally caught..Then there's good old O.J Simpson he's walking around a free man and E1 knows he done it.~cont~
new evidence shows how he did it and got away with it.But guess what they can't put him in jail,he's a free man...So there is my points,you have serial killers in prison,some free as a bird.Guess who pays for it,me!!!That is my money they are taking away from my kids for food,their collage education that I can't pay for,their medical to keep them healthy,a nice home for them to live in.So just how much are you willing to sacrifice your own children from?
@ashatbulaparanormal But it's funny you bring up Casey Anthony, ya know, the chick who murdered her kid.. She just made the choice not to be a parent, which is her right, according to you
@Ju87s some how I knew you was going to twist that around to benefit your self..Big difference between three months or less of pregnancy(inside the womb) vs. to three years outside the womb...it's called limitation.After the 4 th month of pregnancy abortion should not take place unless the mother is in danger of death. I'm sure you'll never see the difference..As I said before,go ahead banned abortion,banned birth control,banned sterilization..But then your going to have to figure out~continue~
how to house,feed and educate,medical treat every fetus that is born.Because your not going to use my tax dollars to do so.I agree,this discussion's gone as far as it can and I see just how much pro-life cares about their own families,which is not much.
@ashatbulaparanormal hahaha, how are you going to talk to be about who cares about who? Your solution to everything is "kill everyone so we don't need to pay for them." I've never even been a proponent of welfare, and taxes going to pay for all these things you've mentioned. It's a totally different topic. But seriously, your issue here has seemed to be all about taxes, so fight for getting rid of taxes, not for abortion
banned abortion,birth control and sterilization and get no help from tax payer's...Okay ,lol,you won this argument go ahead and do it!! I'm going to look forward to seeing our country looking like Philippines & Africa in 15 to 20 years from now..
@ashatbulaparanormal who said anything about banning birth control or sterilization? You're setting up straw men for yourself, and making taxes the issue here when it's not. Bye.
@Ju87s actually,she's right.I'm pro-life and I'm fighting to have it all shut down..Abortion,Birth control, sterilization is ungodly and the feminist/feminism ways, it all needs to be stopped. She's also right about the taxes.I do thank you for paying your taxes to our government,without your tax money me and my family would not have a roof over our heads,food in our stomachs,free medical and our bills paid.. So thanks for supporting me and my family.
@Ju87s huh? Why are you calling me a troll? I did not say anything nasty to you..I was very polite to you. I totally agree with you on abortion,just disagree with the birth control and sterilization,then you call me a troll.What kind of person are you? I'll pray for you that you find kindness towards people and stop the name calling.
@Ju87s you are aware that contraception and abortion are linked, and part of the same tree.An economy that feeds on the technology that exterminates the unborn is an economy that destroys itself. Contraception and abortion are products of materialism and capitalism
@Ju87s seriously? lol,Am sure you are aware that contraception and abortion are linked, and part of the same tree,right? An economy that feeds on the technology that exterminates the unborn is an economy that destroys itself. Contraception and abortion are products of materialism and capitalism-quote from Christians & Catholics(pro-lifers). Here's another thing,no taxes,no welfare,just who is going to take care of all these fetus you want born? again this country will end up just like~continue
the Philippines & Africa and other countries that had abortions banned,then later found out birth control& sterilization was included. now they are starving,bad living environment,not enough jobs to go around..Do you people even think before you run your mouths. A human right issue is when another person is trying to make you do something you don't want to do..No one is forcing a women on the pill,no one is forcing them to have an abortion. Pro-lifers are the ones who is not for human rights
@ashatbulaparanormal you're an idiot arguing against points and positions that I never made. I do not support a ban on contraceptives, and I do not personally know anybody who is, whether they are against abortion or not. You're still setting up the same BS strawmen. The focus of your point seems to be that we need abortion to kill off the poor population. That's your solution to poverty? Kill them before they're born?
@Ju87s Then Lady you need to check out your damn pro-life support group website!!!!! w w w prolife dot com read every damn link.Go to the catholic & christian pro-life site and read their links.All want abortion and all contraception banned.They also go on to tell everyone the danger on using contraception.I've done my homework about you do yours!!! BTW,stop using picture that was shown back in the 50's and 60's for back alley abortions!!!! Saw all those pictures but in black and white!!
@ashatbulaparanormal I am not a Christian. I am not a Catholic. Just because you went to a christian/catholic website in no way means that their opinions represent mine. Those are people promoting their own religious beliefs. It's really intellectually dishonest to try to frame the debate on other people's ideas, claiming that they're mine. It's lazy and ignorant. Stop using picture shown in the 50s and 60s? WTF are you talking about? What picture did I show? continued--->
@Ju87s I told you that pro-life wanted to banned all contraception,abortion and sterilization.You thought I was full of shit.Now their talking about birth control issues and Romney(pro-lifer) right in the middle of it. You may not support the banned of contraception but your helping them get their foot in the door to do it.Then you call me an idiot,lol.
@ashatbulaparanormal by that same logic, I could say "pro-choice" wants to allow partial-brith abortions and infanticide, and you may not support either of those things, but you're helping them get their foot in the door to do it. That's stupid to lump all people under one collective banner and say they all want the same thing. Romney is not a "pro-lifer." He's a lying flip-flopper and was for abortion the whole time he was governor of my state, so I think I would know.
@Ju87s Wrong!! Romney.Claim to be pro-choice choice to get elected,then flip-flop to pro-life.How stupid do you think I am,really,I did my researched.Now I'm going to ask you this, "when abortion,birth control and sterilization is all banned,who's going to take care of all these unwanted fetuses?"
Cause let me tell you once this happen,I will form a group to make sure CPS,Adoption Agencies,welfare,WIC, education and every other organization are defunded.
infertility treatment is right at the top of my list.I got enough people to back me up on infertility treatment,CPS,school levies to be defunded.
So you better start emptying your own pocket to feed,house,cloths all these unwanted fetus for the next 70 years.But then again after their born you can care less about the fetus and even the elderly for that matter.That is why so many elderly are dieing.~contu~
@ashatbulaparanormal lol what? When abortion is banned, you will form a group to destroy adoption agencies, WIC, and every organization to help children? I'm cool with you defunding CPS though. They're a bunch of devils.
And now Romney's claiming to be "pro-life" to get the republican nomination. He's a liar either way, and shouldn't be used as an example to represent either camp on the abortion issue. Stop asking me about birth control being banned- not the subject
@Ju87s birth control not the subject? beg to defer with that,birth control is right up there with abortion and you know it! I know it and the whole world should know it. try Google "stop the Attacks on Insurance Coverage of Birth Control (and) Birth-Control Coverage Debate ". You might learn a few things about your pro-life group.and what their really up to.Since you think birth control is not the subject of this debate.~contu~
Now to answer your question you asked me. "destroy adoption agencies, WIC, and every organization". Adoption Agencies are a trillion dollar industry that is funded by local,state and government funding(tax payers). For each unwanted fetus that comes through their agency they collect from the city,state and our government.To keep these funding flowing they need first unwanted fetus,how better to get them? ~contu~
defund and banned women's options ABORTION,BIRTH CONTROL, ALL CONTRACEPTION.This will bring in the unwanted fetuses,which brings more funding from local,state and government,not to mention a good chunk of cash flow from adoptive parents.So you see adoption agencies don't look at fetus that need help,but as money in the bank,their bank book.So yes,I'm going to defund adoption agencies,their no better then CPS.Senator Nancy Schaefer was murdered~contu~
for exposing and speaking out against CPS and ADOPTION AGENCIES.Look her videos up and listen to what she has to say. Now for WIC and other organization, Are they really helping,yes,teaching young girls and women getting pregnant and keep getting pregnant, don't worry the tax payer's are picking up the tab. Free money from the state & government,free food,free cloths & housing and yes we'll even help you clean out the father/s account,so its okay,spread those legs ~contu~
and pop out those fetuses as many as you can.It's no wonder why these girls & women are popping out fetuses left and right.Me and other tax payers is picking up the tab. Is this fair to us? I say no!!! Maybe you want to keep paying for them,but I don't!! I have my own family to take care of.So yes,defund other organization.they want to pop out fetus like rabbits to get free way in life without working for it..De-fund it, defund it all.
@ashatbulaparanormal Hey, I actually agree with you on the tax and welfare issues. I'm for the least goverment possible and people living and supporting eachother by voluntary. Birth control, at least in the way I understand it, is preventative care. So many the exact wording doesn't fit here. Stop trying to imply that I am against the use of condoms and other BC that PREVENTS pregnancy from occuring.
@Ju87s "I'm for the least government possible"? Then why are asking for our government officials to get involve and criminalize surgical and non-surgical abortion(RU 486/ Medical birth control Abortion pill)? you make no sense.Your are not for the least government possible,but for more of it.otherwise you wouldn't be sticking your nose in people affairs and what they do with their bodies.
@ashatbulaparanormal also, I do not label myself as "pro-life." I think "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are manipulative names that encourage people to take up a tribalist mindest. I am for the criminalization of abortion, nothing more, nothing less. But you've steered the conversation away to be about everything but that.
@Ju87s No actually, I'm right on the money.Rather you want to believe it or not abortion,birth control,all contraception and sterilization comes all in one package.Attack one,all gets attack.Banned one,then all gets banned.It's called the "chain reaction". You really don't know anything about birth control,do you? Birth control does not prevents,but aborts.Wow you really haven't done your homework.birth control is used to interrupt pregnancy at various stages. interrupt means abort.~contu
Why do you think we have to morning after pill,same thing as birth control pill, but in a bigger dosage.Birth control is smaller dosage.Most Americans are not aware that the Pill and other chemical "contraceptives" cause millions of "non-surgical" abortions each year~ Patrick D. Walker, M.D.,~ John Brose, M.D., Surgeon~ Beverly A. McMillan, M.D., Ob/Gyn look up Randy Alcorn on birth control.birth control is a non-surgical abortion.
@ashatbulaparanormal So a condom doesn't prevent pregnancy, it aborts one? Same goes for sponges with spermicide, cervical caps, diaphragms? You're the one who doesn't seem to know anything about birth control. Criminalizing abortion isn't going to ban any of those. Again, I am not for banning any of these, so to keep arguing that I am is pointless. You're just avoiding the true subject here, the intentional termination of a human life. Don't forget, I used to be pro-choice
@Ju87s actually,no,cervical caps,diaphragms,sponges with spermicide causes blood clots,heart attack,strokes, viral infections and even death to a human from long time uses of these products.Those product are not 100% pregnancy prevention.
I get it now! You criminalize surgical abortion,but not non-surgical abortion(the pill). Just so you know the old ways of abortion is not used anymore and why should they be, when we have a non-surgical way RU 486/ Medical birth control Abortion pill
and the morning after pill & birth control.Get out of the dark ages and back to this era(science era). So when your fighting to criminalize abortion it also criminalize all forms of birth control pills. Now I find this so funny, you agree with me on taxes and welfare,lol. So you would rather see a born human starve to death,get no medical attention,live on the streets?You have a heart,but it's in the wrong place and in the wrong fight.~contu~
criminalizing surgical and non-surgical abortion( pills) does not least government possible,it's adding to it and more higher taxes.Otherwise this country will end up just like the Philippians,Africa and other countries that first criminalize surgical and non-surgical abortion(pills/birth control pills) and then all contraception.There is no welfare aid,no medical,no schooling,no housing,no jobs,no money in those countries.Humans are living in unsanitary condition~contu~
eating from garbage dumps,dieing from non treated deceases, not getting any education,running around naked, having no jobs and their government is least government possible and begging for other countries to help their people.
"people living and supporting eachother by voluntary?" Yeah that's really going to work,lol. people are going to give up their money,their job,their food,their cloths,their homes to another human. New Flash!! No one is going to do this,I'm not!!
@ashatbulaparanormal and clearly you do not pay any attention to politics and world affairs. Our government is one of the biggest governments possible, and guess what- we have people eating from garbage, we have no jobs, and out government begs other countries to help (guess how much we're in debt?). The people are taxed to death and the common 90% of people aren't allowed the much income to be sulf-sufficient, which is why we "need" the government assisted programs. Crappy cycle, learn a thing
@Ju87s "When it comes to rape, I'm okay with people sticking their noses in other people's affairs and what they do with their bodies." for or against rape victims getting an abortion?
cuz If your for it, criminalizing abortion only forces a rape & incest victim to carry it to full term.They will not be allowed to get an abortion.Just like if a woman is going to die or a fetus is deformed.Criminalizing means no one by no means or any reason can get an abortion.Rape is illegal and jail time is required if caught.Just like they criminalized Pot.Some cancer patients use pot to slow down the spreading cancer.
If the patient is caught with pot they go to jail or prison.Pot is criminalized drug,having cancer is not an exception to the rule.So criminalizing abortion is not going to make exception for rape,incest,deform fetus or a woman dieing from giving birth excuse.We have that now in our abortion laws and you want to criminalize it. Why don't you talk to some lawyers and ask them,They'll tell you criminalizing something there is no exception what so ever!! that's the rule & law
@ashatbulaparanormal Thank you captain obvious, I'm well aware of what "criminalizing" means. My stance is that abortion is the killing of a child. Rape doesn't justify killing a child, and I would be morally inconsistant if I thought the exception should be made. Should a rape victim to carried her baby to full term and gave birth have the "choice" to drown it in the bathtub? Abortion is just another psychological trauma to stack on top of an already damaged raped woman .
@Ju87s Okay now your talking my language..I was raped and I did carry it to full term and gave birth to it. I am psychological trauma from giving birth to the rapist fetus!!! Just so you know The fetus was born with brain cancer and other medical problems!!! It died 8 1/2 months after it's birth. Giving birth to a rapist fetus ruined my life!!! I had to look at it every day as a constant reminder of the rape. ~contu~
So yeah, giving birth to rapist fetus psychological traumatized me for life.something you'll never understand cause it was me and not YOU!!! Your not the one who got stuck paying for the fetus medical bills.Your not the one that has people look at you like you some kind of slut or what you done to get raped.Your not the one that has to go around lying to people that you have only two in-stand of three just so you don't have to explain how the third one came about.~contu~
@ashatbulaparanormal If that story's true, I'm very sorry you were raped and very sorry you lost your child. I can understand how painful of an experience that would be, and that it would be easy to think "if I just had had an abortion, I wouldn't have gone through this." At least the guilt isn't on your conscience for being responsible for your child's death, and I hope that's nothing you will ever put yourself through.
@Ju87s Very true story!! I can show you a picture of it laying in the casket, if you don't believe me.
" At least the guilt isn't on your conscience for being responsible for your child's(My words:not a child! a fetus!!) death."
Oh but I am responsible for it's death.I'm the one that gave birth and let it suffer(torture) like it did,Nice and slow suffering(torture). Everyday I screamed "Hurry up and die!!!".
the rapists had more right then I did. They got only a year in jail and the bio-father(one of the rapist) had to know everything about me,my name,where I lived,my phone number for his visitation rights to his fetus when he gets out.
So glad the damn thing die before it's rapist father got out of jail.I still have to look over my shoulder everyday for the rest of my life!!
@Ju87s It's a fetus to me an unwanted fetus.No I didn't do it!! cancer shut down all it's functions.It's what cancer does. Like I said, Stop pretending you know how a rape victim feels,cause you don't!! IT didn't happen to YOU!!
Disturbing?
Let me tell you disturbing. Tubes up the nose and down the throat to feed it ,cause it can't even suck a bottle or breath right.Scares all over the body from doctors cutting it open for this test,that test,like a little lab rat. ~contu~
@Ju87s It's a fetus to me an unwanted fetus.No I didn't do it!! cancer shut down all it's functions.It's what cancer does. Like I said, Stop pretending you know how a rape victim feels,cause you don't!! IT didn't happen to YOU!!
Disturbing?
Let me tell you disturbing. Tubes up the nose and down the throat to feed it ,cause it can't even suck a bottle or breath right.Scares all over the body from doctors cutting it open for this test,that test,like a little lab rat. ~contu~
@Ju87s It's a fetus to me an unwanted fetus.No I didn't do it!! cancer shut down all it's functions.It's what cancer does. Like I said, Stop pretending you know how a rape victim feels,cause you don't!! IT didn't happen to YOU!!
Disturbing?
Let me tell you disturbing. Tubes up the nose and down the throat to feed it ,cause it can't even suck a bottle or breath right.Scares all over the body from doctors cutting it open for this test,that test,like a little lab rat. ~contu~
"This story sounds very disturbing and makes me wonder if you did this yourself."
That is why I have to lie about everything!!! What, I suppose to be " Hey,guess what I had a rapist's fetus and it was a joyous day of my life!!! I love watching a live fetus get treated like some kind of lab rat!! Here doctor,here all my money for nothing."
You people make me sick with all of your support of live human lab rats!! So the doctors and scientist can get rich. ~contu~
@Ju87s Hello,I see your fellow pro-lifer.It's nice to meet you.I'm a pro-lifer too.How ever I disagree with you on CPS being a bunch of devils.They're there to protect children from bad parents.Just like pro-life is protecting fetus from abortion and birth control.So don't pay any attention to Ashatb,your doing a wonderful job in trying to protect fetus from abortion and birth control.Fetus have a right to live!! with your help they will
@ashatbulaparanormal "Big difference between three months or less of pregnancy(inside the womb) vs. to three years outside the womb"
Yes, and there's a big difference between 3 years outside the womb vs 30 years outside the womb. A much bigger difference than 3months in utero:3 years born. Does that make it less morally wrong to kill a toddler than a grown adult?
@Ju87s Bye bye!!! .As I said before,go ahead banned abortion,banned birth control,banned sterilization..But, your going to have to figure out how to house,feed and educate,medical treat every fetus that is born. Your not going to use my tax dollars to do so!! Yes our tax dollars pays for welfare.medical,food,housing and education. Take away all of the above and our country turns into countries like the Philippines & Africa ..Maybe that's not such a half bad idea. both countries~continue
@ashatbulaparanormal just like men shouldn't have the right to choose to rape a woman. I don't think welfare should pay for the child either. That's a whole separate issue. But from what I'm understanding from you is, when you said, "why would she, when mine & your tax dollars is going to pay for her and all those babies," is that you think low-income mothers should be FORCED to have abortions. That's just fucking sick, and I think you'll find very few people who would agree with you.
@Ju87s Hold the phone!!! if anyone is doing any forcing here,it's you and pro-life!!! Who said to force low-income mothers into abortion? I didn't!!! I said, stop using my taxes dollars to pay for welfare bums, CPS & adoption Industries(all pro-life)..Where did I say force all women to have abortion??? I'm about choices!! NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED INTO ANYTHING THEY DON'T WANT TO DO!!! ~contintue
You and pro-life on the other hand want to take that choice away and force every women and teen to carry a pregnancy to full term rather they want too or not.You and Pro-life are not about human rights at all.
@ashatbulaparanormal "why would she, when mine & your tax dollars is going to pay for her and all those babies..." the only assumption one could make from that, is that she should be forced to have an abortion, because she was the example you used; a 28-year-old mom with 7 kids who's not going to stop having kids anytime soon.
@ashatbulaparanormal and dumbass, if this hypothetical 28 year old on welfare is planning to have as many children as she can, then she's obviously not going to be getting an abortion whether it's legal or not.
@Ju87s No dumbass, why would she, when mine & your tax dollars is going to pay for her and all those babies...I work hard for my money,you want to banned abortion go for it!! but I'm going to see that my tax dollars is not going to be spend on them collecting welfare,free collage education,free medical,free food,free clothing,free housing and what ever else they can bleed out of me...You get pregnant,then pay for it and I mean pay for it all,No more free loading off the tax payers!!!
@Ju87s" should we just start killing off large parts of the population so we don't have to "pay for idiots?" lol,you don't seem to have problem killing off old folks,by taking SSI and medicare/medicaid away from them..Oh I get it!! Out with the old and in with the new,right?
Im all about being a women and having choices but the moment you get pregnant its not just about you anymore its about the life inside you and as a women i do not think that we should just be able to end a life inside of us just bc we choose to....what about the babies choice?
A fetus doesn't have the ability to choose, therefore it doesn't have a choice. It sounds mean to say, but by getting rid of the right to choose, you would force young girls to carry a pregnancy for nine months, a fetus that will feed off of their bodies, that will make them throw up, that will give them mood swings, that will bloat them and give them cramps, then you force them to go through the excruciating process known as Childbirth. THAT is sicker than removing a clump of cells
@loveeit66 says: m all about being a women and having choices but the moment you get pregnant its not just about you anymore its about the life inside you
~~~~~~~~~ Sorry sweetie, but that "life" inside her is her own private property to do with as she chooses...its NOT yours to do with as YOU choose.
~~~~~~~~~ What? billions of people have sex everyday with No unwanted pregs...and here YOU are saying sex should stop..just in case? Thats not a fear of pregnancy...thats a fear of human sexuality. You need to see a shrink for your problem, lydia!!
@Sueezee1 No I'm saying if a woman knows that she cannot take care of a baby, she should do everything to prevent becoming pregnant. I was pissed of when I left that comment. I'm simply saying that using protection and other forms of pregnancy prevention should be used, and because they are not completely accurate, sometimes deciding to not have sex is the answer. And yes I do need to see a shrink, but I'm too poor and can't afford it! Instead I go on youtube and watch videos, thats my therapy!
@LydiaMakesMovies says: No I'm saying if a woman knows that she cannot take care of a baby, she should do everything to prevent becoming pregnant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ NO that is NOT what you said. You said "shut your damned legs" ( the typical white trash prolife version of ,"stop having sex"). Prevention included birth control & you didnt say that! Stop lying
Wow we are certainly living in a self-centred world when people can so ignorantly try to justify that human life has no importance. We were all embryos once. We were all protected inside our mothers womb at some point. Just because we don't see them or hear them doesn't mean they have no worth. Humanity? What a scary thought when we have people with this mindset.
Officials Find Dozens of Frozen Dead Babies After Legal Abortion Death Probed
Officials also suspected the woman died from the botched abortion in part because she had been treated by unlicensed personnel a suspension order described "deplorable & unsanitary" conditions at the clinic indicating that "there was blood on the floor, and parts of aborted fetuses were displayed in jars.” The order declared Gosnell to be "an immediate & clear danger to the public health and safety
I have always found it hypocritical that we as a society have made murder illegal, but have kept abortion legal. If killing something that is scientifically human, genetically individual from the mother, and the most innocent of any living human being is not murder, then we as a society have no clue what murder is.
@someone060288 says:hypocritical that we as a society have made murder illegal, but have kept abortion legal.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That means youre an irrational, uneducated person who equates your mom & dad and yourself, to something that has no higher consciousness than that of an earthworm. You have irrationally connected with something that dosent even come close to being an intrical part of our human beingness.Your idea is a sick fetal obsession w/ NO sense of reality
@someone060288 says: we as a society have no clue what murder is.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats NOT "society"..thats YOU! Educated people KNOW what murder is, and they KNOW abortion dosent fall under that crime. learn and get smarter and you wont be made to look foolish.
@Sueezee1 Scientifically once fertilization is complete the unborn child has 46 chromosomes which means all of its physical features are determined including sex facial features body type and color of hair eyes and skin. The unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother. It relies upon its mother for shelter and nourishment, but that remains true well after it is born. About 22 days in the heart begins to beat. About 40 days in brain waves can be detected.
@Sueezee1 I can see that you are not interested in civil discourse, only childish name calling. If you decide to have a genuine discussion of the topic at hand, let me know. Otherwise, I will not respond any further to your berating comments.
@Sueezee1 The fact that the unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother is a relevant fact because that means the child is not a part of the mother like an arm or a leg, but rather is being housed within the mother for protection and nourishment purposes because it is unable to provide such things for itself. It is also relevant because that means it is scientifically a member of humanity and should necessarily be afforded protection under the law.
@someone060288 says:unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother is a relevant fact because that means the child is not a part of the mother like an arm or a leg,
~~~~~~ Who in the hell thought it was part of the womans damned body?????/ No its not, but the women OWNS her fetus. Its her personal private property, to do with as she chooses. I told you what you said wasnt relevant. You need to listen to me..I know it all when it comes to this subject.
@Sueezee1 "the women OWNS her fetus". The "fetus" is scientifically human, and the 13th amendment abolished slavery. The woman is merely where the fetus is being housed and the medium through which it receives nourishment. The mother has no more claim of "ownership" over the unborn child than it does over the mother's born children.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha, slavves were ALWAYS seen as human...they were not human BEINGS until they got rights...just like a fetus and a fetus will NEVER have right s like slaves...ya know why?? guess!! LOL
@Sueezee1 "they were not human BEINGS until they got rights." So you are saying that African Americans were not human until we adopted the 13th amendment? Yes, they were always human. They were humans that was being treated very unjustly and were not being given their human rights. In the same way, unborn children are human, and deserve the same protection that all humans should receive.
@someone060288 says: The mother has no more claim of "ownership" over the unborn child than it does over the mother's born children.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahahahhahahahahaha.....ya,. then let the mom legally klill her born kids and see what she gets... LMFAO... I love dumb people..this is so much fun ( and youre not even embarrassed about being stupid... get alittle pride in yourslef, why dont ya?? LOL)
@Sueezee1 I can see that you are indeed not interested in civil discourse. I apologize to you for indulging your childish sense of intellectual superiority. You have presented no scientific evidence to back up your claims. You do nothing but insult me. Your goal in commenting on this video seems to be merely to insult people who believe differently than you do. I will block you. I hope for your argument's sake that other pro-abortionist can present their case better than you can defend it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Of course you will....when dumbass prolifers are painted into a corner, they always haul ass, and when you do..I know I was the winner..I
"Then why are asking for our government officials to get involve and criminalize surgical and non-surgical abortion(RU 486/ Medical birth control Abortion pill)?"
Because I think abortion is a horrible crime, that's why. Believing something should be outlawed doesn't mean you're for big government. Take rape for example. I absolutely think rape should be illegal. When it comes to rape, I'm okay with people sticking their noses in other people's affairs and what they do with their bodies.
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
Fines should be levied at whoever's responsible when children are used in pro-abortion propaganda. How DARE they use them that way!
Millions of people are adamant that Roe v. Wade & its equivalents in other nations need to be revisited. They're coming at it not only with religious faith, but also evidence from medical science, technology, social sciences. Evidence points to it being BOTH morally wrong & socially damaging. The day is coming, at a turtle's pace, not a rabbit's, but it's COMING.
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Can't wait until Roe v. wade is over turned!! then it's on to Griswold v. Connecticut and Eisenstadt v. Baird to get over turned....
billthemisogynist 4 months ago
@billthemisogynist Your absolutely right!!! Sign me up to the MRA's It's time to strip all women of their rights!!! No more abortion,No more birth control,No more contraception and sterilization,No more adoptions,No more women working in industries or owning property and businesses,no education for women,No more voting,no more women taking money from the man or husbands or getting any of the man's rather their married or not.let keep women at home,barefooted and pregnant!
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
Hey will we're at it.Let's change the law on rape,Domestic violence and everything.I see now men should be able to have and do what ever they want and women should not.So count me in.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
@ashatbulaparanormal Well it's about time you woke up!! Been telling you that for a year now a woman's place in life is at home,obeying,serving man and barring children.Now you believe me?
billthemisogynist 1 week ago
I'll send you the link to the MRA and we'll get the ball a rolling.
billthemisogynist 1 week ago
@billthemisogynist Thanks!! And yes,I believe you now.I'll sign everything there is to sign to get every last woman in the world rights revoked.Let's see if these pro-life women like being controlled by men and made to feel like a servant,slave and breeding mare.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
@ashatbulaparanormal now you're just acting hysterical and insane. Like I have to defend against all those absurd accusations of sexism. That's a very typical and desperate tactic to use and it's very see-through. I obviously can not carry on a rational conversation with you, so I think this is as far as we can go. Take care of yourself.
Ju87s 1 week ago
@Ju87s Oh yes,this conversation is over between us.hysterical and insane,girl you ain't seen nothing yet. I'm going to make sure the law is changed so Women can't get their hands on the man's money anymore.Woman enough to give birth,then they should be woman enough to keep it and raise it without the aid of the government and child support money from the man. Women won't be getting a dime from a man after I'm done.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
@ashatbulaparanormal ok, since you brought it up, I'll ask you one more question. Since your stance is that it's a woman's body, so having a child is a woman's choice, why should a man who wanted her to have an abortion be responsible for paying child support?
Ju87s 1 week ago
@Ju87s Why should the man be made to pay child support if he does want it?
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
you tell me.Since the law is in the women's favor.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
@Ju87s My personal opinion,men shouldn't have to pay child support.That is why most women don't get abortion,so they can get child support from the man.They know the court law is in their favor.They have the fetus to get money from the man.That is why the bitch next door to me is popping out her 7 th fetus and plans to have more.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
all 7 fetuses by different men.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
The Orwellian BS in this video is so laughable. They're all hugging children at the end. If those children's mother's made the "choice" to abort them, they wouldn't be there...
Ju87s 5 months ago
When a woman chooses to have sex they should understand the possibility of having a baby. And if they were raped is that the baby's fault?
notmybestday 7 months ago
@notmybestday says: And if they were raped is that the baby's fault?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Since when is abortion about ANYONE fault???? Do you any of you people use your heads?
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@notmybestday says: When a woman chooses to have sex they should understand the possibility of having a baby.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who DOSENT know that?
Sueezee1 6 months ago
really weak argument for abortion or pro-choice. A woman can choose by either no having sex or taking a pretty good chance with protection. That is when she has a choice. AS far as rape goes I do not understand killing the child because someting horrible and terrible happened to his or her mother. Rape is horrible but I do not see how or why it is a good reason for pro-chocie.
MrBlackhaw 7 months ago
women are people too
Kayleahful 7 months ago
@Kayleahful so are unborn babies.
notmybestday 7 months ago
@notmybestday So its safe to say that they knew what they were doing when they were concived and what could happen to then in Utero.
Kayleahful 7 months ago
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@Kayleahful You wouldn't be here if ur mother had an abortion. doesnt that make you think
notmybestday 7 months ago
Women should have choices when their pregnant.
1.Keep their baby
2. give it to a loving family who wants him or her.
Stop being selfish women. Why result to killing JUST so you can go on with your life?! Think about that child, who should have a choice too!
Thatsamistery 8 months ago
@Thatsamistery Oh so if I was a 13 year old girl who was brutally raped and that resulted in pregnancy it would be selfish of me to abort my baby? Hmm, I think you logic is flawed here. You can't just think about it like that. As a person you should realize that you're faced with choices and that on your own, those choices should be made. Just because in your personal opinion you see it's wrong, doesn't mean it's not a logical choice for another woman out there. Don't limit anyone's options.
thesoapthatfloats 8 months ago
@thesoapthatfloats Actually, his logic is not flawed. Oh, so if a 10 week old baby was being threatened by its thirteen year-old mother to be killed, would it be selfish to say no? Choices are REQUIRED to be limited in society. I don't get the legal choice to kill the 7-11 guy, or rob the bank because it HURTS other people. Abortion does too. If you think choice is all that matters, you're ignorant beyond belief.
Bobanamanamo 8 months ago
@Bobanamanamo Thirteen year old mother who had also been brutally raped. As a 14 year old myself I find that barbaric and awful. If I, being in that position were to make a choice such as that I would choose abortion. Your beliefs and mine on abortion differ greatly and that's fine but to other women they see this choices as fit for their own needs. When you look at abortion you see it as killing a "baby" (not the correct term of a premature developing group of cells in the human body) and
thesoapthatfloats 8 months ago
@Bobanamanamo....describe it as killing a full grown body of cells with intellect and memory and family, everything under the sun AKA the 7 11 guy. This way of thinking puts you in a mental state that it is no longer a medical procedure and that it is a murder. A medical procedure that should be available and will remain available for every woman who chooses the undertake it. That is all.
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Sueezee1 8 months ago
@Bobanamanamo says:If you think choice is all that matters, you're ignorant beyond belief.
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If you think choice dosent matter, you're ignorant beyond belief.
Sueezee1 6 months ago
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@Sueezee I'm 18 years old
loveeit66 9 months ago
You have the choice for the Plan B pill (not to be confused with the abortion pill) you have the choice to have protected sex, and the choice of birth control, you also have the choice of Adoption.. Abortion should not be a choice.
In a case where a pregnant woman looses her child from abuse from another party, that individual is charged with MURDER. However, people point out that a child is a choice, or a blob of tissue.. then why is that individual charged with MURDER? Exactly..
OmgLiikeWtf 9 months ago
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@OmgLiikeWtf says: You have the choice for the Plan B pill you have the choice to have protected sex, and the choice of birth control,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Why dont you make yourself the sex police and go door to door making sure everyone is having sex to YOUR liking?? Who in the hell do you think you are wanting control of people embryos and sexaul exploits??
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@OmgLiikeWtf says: then why is that individual charged with MURDER?
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because the womans right to HER fetuses fate was taken from her. We assume the woman is going to give birth to her child unless SHE decides differently. Its no one else decision.The murder charge is there for the fetus who COULD have been born, but now cant. BUT, that law V CANT stop abortion.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
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@OmgLiikeWtf says: Abortion should not be a choice
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ neither should giving birth... because, you idiot, thats a womans choice too.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@OmgLiikeWtf says: pregnant woman looses her child from abuse from another party, that individual is charged with MURDER
~~~~~~~~~~~ Its called murder because Bush Jr signed that law and hes a frickin idiot, BUT, he made w sure that law was worded as to NOT give fetuses the right to be born. If you were educated, you;'d know this.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@OmgLiikeWtf says: choice of Adoption..
~~~~~~~ Stop aborting and you'll have a possible one MILLIOn throw away babies each yr...thats 80 frickin MILLION in your damned lifetime. Who is the hell is going to adopt 80 MILLION kids in 80 Yrs? Can you imagine the insanity of that??? try loving the kids more than you hate abortion. I know it will be hard for you...but tyr!!
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@Sueezee1 Not me.Not my responsibility to take in or care for someone else's off spring.I'm tired of my tax dollars paying for adoption Agencies,welfare and CPS industries.
ashatbulaparanormal 9 months ago 6
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@ashatbulaparanormal says:Not my responsibility to take in or care for someone else's off spring.I'm tired of my tax dollars paying for adoption Agencies,welfare and CPS industries.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Aint that the truth!!
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal but you're not tired of tax funding of abortion?
Ju87s 5 months ago
@Ju87s first of all tax payers don't pay for abortions,secondly,If I had a choice to pick one or the other.I'd go with funding abortion,a lot better then paying for a bunch of idiots for the rest of their life....
ashatbulaparanormal 5 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal so by that logic, should we just start killing off large parts of the population so we don't have to "pay for idiots?"
Ju87s 5 months ago
@Ju87s just because you want to give all you hard earn money away,does not mean the rest of us do..Since your so much against abortion and women's choice..Then get your butt over here and you can cater to this 28 year old female that's on fetus number 7,on welfare, all different fathers.. and plans to have as many as she can.. You can also shut your mouth and quit complaining about all these teen pregnancy...
ashatbulaparanormal 5 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal so just for the record, you're stating that we should keep abortion legal to decrease the poorer and minority populations?
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s That is not up to me to control other women's reproductive system,that is their choice...I control mine and I do what I think is best for me and my family...Now you on the other hand,don't want women to have that choice,nor do you want people in general to have a choice!! If a unexpected pregnancy springs up and that women does not want it,your going to make her have it, while me and other tax payers pay for it !!!
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal what a pathetic tactic that is, but it's so common from you people on the pro-abortion side of the debate, that I come to expect it. You have to attack my character, and try to paint a picture of me as a sexist who is against women's rights. That is how weak your ground is. This isn't a women's rights issue, this is about human rights. Women don't have the right to kill their offspring. That is not something that a woman should be able to have a choice about--
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s Oh okay*Grin* Then what give humans the right to kill other humans,no matter what they've done?? Shut down the United States Armed Forces, shut down all biological & nuclear war research,shut down the death penalty,shut down all medical & drug research..Hell,why we're at it,let's shut down all forms of transportation air,land and sea..shut down all weapons from a tooth pick to the foods we eat..
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal "Then what give humans the right to kill other humans,no matter what they've done?" Uh, nothing gives humans the right to kill other humans. Yes, lets absolutely shut down our military industrial complex! Absolutely, lets shit down bio+nuclear warfare research! Lets get rid of the death penalty! I'm with you on all those. But why would we shut down transportation? You're going way off track in many different directions.
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s Nope,actually right on track, Transportation(air,land & sea) kills humans,a tooth pick to the simple foods we eat kills humans...
I'm not with you on shutting down military forces or death penalty and why would you want them shut down in the first place? I mean come on, are you that dumb to leave your self that unprotected for some other country to come and control you? So your willing to pay for a serial killer or a person who robs or murder someone for the rest of his or her life?
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
I don't know about you,but I'm not going to pay for a serial killer or someone who offed their partner for the rest of their life..No wonder there is so many criminals..Free rent,no bills to worry about,three squares meals a day,free educational degrees that they are never going to get to use,but they get one.. all at the expense of our taxes..Heck,prisoners are treated better then none prisoners..
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal You must not follow current events. Google 'Troy Davis'
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s what??? I follow all current events!!! from Charles Manson to Casey Anthony..I can name a lot of serial killers that are in prison and some that are still free.
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
and now wanted by the FBI...So what's your point?? I have a point, check out the life and times of Charles Manson..google serial killers in prison...heck, why your at it google America's most wanted... Watch your local news and news around the world..Now you and the whole world knows Casey Anthony got away with what she did..How many more is she going to get away with before she's finally caught..Then there's good old O.J Simpson he's walking around a free man and E1 knows he done it.~cont~
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
new evidence shows how he did it and got away with it.But guess what they can't put him in jail,he's a free man...So there is my points,you have serial killers in prison,some free as a bird.Guess who pays for it,me!!!That is my money they are taking away from my kids for food,their collage education that I can't pay for,their medical to keep them healthy,a nice home for them to live in.So just how much are you willing to sacrifice your own children from?
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal But it's funny you bring up Casey Anthony, ya know, the chick who murdered her kid.. She just made the choice not to be a parent, which is her right, according to you
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s some how I knew you was going to twist that around to benefit your self..Big difference between three months or less of pregnancy(inside the womb) vs. to three years outside the womb...it's called limitation.After the 4 th month of pregnancy abortion should not take place unless the mother is in danger of death. I'm sure you'll never see the difference..As I said before,go ahead banned abortion,banned birth control,banned sterilization..But then your going to have to figure out~continue~
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
how to house,feed and educate,medical treat every fetus that is born.Because your not going to use my tax dollars to do so.I agree,this discussion's gone as far as it can and I see just how much pro-life cares about their own families,which is not much.
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal hahaha, how are you going to talk to be about who cares about who? Your solution to everything is "kill everyone so we don't need to pay for them." I've never even been a proponent of welfare, and taxes going to pay for all these things you've mentioned. It's a totally different topic. But seriously, your issue here has seemed to be all about taxes, so fight for getting rid of taxes, not for abortion
Ju87s 4 months ago
banned abortion,birth control and sterilization and get no help from tax payer's...Okay ,lol,you won this argument go ahead and do it!! I'm going to look forward to seeing our country looking like Philippines & Africa in 15 to 20 years from now..
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal who said anything about banning birth control or sterilization? You're setting up straw men for yourself, and making taxes the issue here when it's not. Bye.
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s actually,she's right.I'm pro-life and I'm fighting to have it all shut down..Abortion,Birth control, sterilization is ungodly and the feminist/feminism ways, it all needs to be stopped. She's also right about the taxes.I do thank you for paying your taxes to our government,without your tax money me and my family would not have a roof over our heads,food in our stomachs,free medical and our bills paid.. So thanks for supporting me and my family.
billthemisogynist 4 months ago
P.S we're having our ninth child in December,hope it's another girl.
billthemisogynist 4 months ago
@billthemisogynist troll on, brotha
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s huh? Why are you calling me a troll? I did not say anything nasty to you..I was very polite to you. I totally agree with you on abortion,just disagree with the birth control and sterilization,then you call me a troll.What kind of person are you? I'll pray for you that you find kindness towards people and stop the name calling.
billthemisogynist 4 months ago
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@Ju87s you are aware that contraception and abortion are linked, and part of the same tree.An economy that feeds on the technology that exterminates the unborn is an economy that destroys itself. Contraception and abortion are products of materialism and capitalism
billthemisogynist 4 months ago
@Ju87s seriously? lol,Am sure you are aware that contraception and abortion are linked, and part of the same tree,right? An economy that feeds on the technology that exterminates the unborn is an economy that destroys itself. Contraception and abortion are products of materialism and capitalism-quote from Christians & Catholics(pro-lifers). Here's another thing,no taxes,no welfare,just who is going to take care of all these fetus you want born? again this country will end up just like~continue
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
the Philippines & Africa and other countries that had abortions banned,then later found out birth control& sterilization was included. now they are starving,bad living environment,not enough jobs to go around..Do you people even think before you run your mouths. A human right issue is when another person is trying to make you do something you don't want to do..No one is forcing a women on the pill,no one is forcing them to have an abortion. Pro-lifers are the ones who is not for human rights
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal you're an idiot arguing against points and positions that I never made. I do not support a ban on contraceptives, and I do not personally know anybody who is, whether they are against abortion or not. You're still setting up the same BS strawmen. The focus of your point seems to be that we need abortion to kill off the poor population. That's your solution to poverty? Kill them before they're born?
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s Then Lady you need to check out your damn pro-life support group website!!!!! w w w prolife dot com read every damn link.Go to the catholic & christian pro-life site and read their links.All want abortion and all contraception banned.They also go on to tell everyone the danger on using contraception.I've done my homework about you do yours!!! BTW,stop using picture that was shown back in the 50's and 60's for back alley abortions!!!! Saw all those pictures but in black and white!!
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
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@ashatbulaparanormal "your pissed off at me cause you know I called you on it..Your not for human rights and you'll never be.."
hahaha, that is fucking hilarious coming from the person whose solution to poverty is killing the poor. Get bent
Ju87s 4 months ago
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ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@Ju87s your pissed off at me cause you know I called you on it..Your not for human rights and you'll never be..
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal I am not a Christian. I am not a Catholic. Just because you went to a christian/catholic website in no way means that their opinions represent mine. Those are people promoting their own religious beliefs. It's really intellectually dishonest to try to frame the debate on other people's ideas, claiming that they're mine. It's lazy and ignorant. Stop using picture shown in the 50s and 60s? WTF are you talking about? What picture did I show? continued--->
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s I told you that pro-life wanted to banned all contraception,abortion and sterilization.You thought I was full of shit.Now their talking about birth control issues and Romney(pro-lifer) right in the middle of it. You may not support the banned of contraception but your helping them get their foot in the door to do it.Then you call me an idiot,lol.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal by that same logic, I could say "pro-choice" wants to allow partial-brith abortions and infanticide, and you may not support either of those things, but you're helping them get their foot in the door to do it. That's stupid to lump all people under one collective banner and say they all want the same thing. Romney is not a "pro-lifer." He's a lying flip-flopper and was for abortion the whole time he was governor of my state, so I think I would know.
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s Wrong!! Romney.Claim to be pro-choice choice to get elected,then flip-flop to pro-life.How stupid do you think I am,really,I did my researched.Now I'm going to ask you this, "when abortion,birth control and sterilization is all banned,who's going to take care of all these unwanted fetuses?"
Cause let me tell you once this happen,I will form a group to make sure CPS,Adoption Agencies,welfare,WIC, education and every other organization are defunded.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
infertility treatment is right at the top of my list.I got enough people to back me up on infertility treatment,CPS,school levies to be defunded.
So you better start emptying your own pocket to feed,house,cloths all these unwanted fetus for the next 70 years.But then again after their born you can care less about the fetus and even the elderly for that matter.That is why so many elderly are dieing.~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
Out with the old and in with the new,right?
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal lol what? When abortion is banned, you will form a group to destroy adoption agencies, WIC, and every organization to help children? I'm cool with you defunding CPS though. They're a bunch of devils.
And now Romney's claiming to be "pro-life" to get the republican nomination. He's a liar either way, and shouldn't be used as an example to represent either camp on the abortion issue. Stop asking me about birth control being banned- not the subject
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s birth control not the subject? beg to defer with that,birth control is right up there with abortion and you know it! I know it and the whole world should know it. try Google "stop the Attacks on Insurance Coverage of Birth Control (and) Birth-Control Coverage Debate ". You might learn a few things about your pro-life group.and what their really up to.Since you think birth control is not the subject of this debate.~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
Now to answer your question you asked me. "destroy adoption agencies, WIC, and every organization". Adoption Agencies are a trillion dollar industry that is funded by local,state and government funding(tax payers). For each unwanted fetus that comes through their agency they collect from the city,state and our government.To keep these funding flowing they need first unwanted fetus,how better to get them? ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
defund and banned women's options ABORTION,BIRTH CONTROL, ALL CONTRACEPTION.This will bring in the unwanted fetuses,which brings more funding from local,state and government,not to mention a good chunk of cash flow from adoptive parents.So you see adoption agencies don't look at fetus that need help,but as money in the bank,their bank book.So yes,I'm going to defund adoption agencies,their no better then CPS.Senator Nancy Schaefer was murdered~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
for exposing and speaking out against CPS and ADOPTION AGENCIES.Look her videos up and listen to what she has to say. Now for WIC and other organization, Are they really helping,yes,teaching young girls and women getting pregnant and keep getting pregnant, don't worry the tax payer's are picking up the tab. Free money from the state & government,free food,free cloths & housing and yes we'll even help you clean out the father/s account,so its okay,spread those legs ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
and pop out those fetuses as many as you can.It's no wonder why these girls & women are popping out fetuses left and right.Me and other tax payers is picking up the tab. Is this fair to us? I say no!!! Maybe you want to keep paying for them,but I don't!! I have my own family to take care of.So yes,defund other organization.they want to pop out fetus like rabbits to get free way in life without working for it..De-fund it, defund it all.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal Hey, I actually agree with you on the tax and welfare issues. I'm for the least goverment possible and people living and supporting eachother by voluntary. Birth control, at least in the way I understand it, is preventative care. So many the exact wording doesn't fit here. Stop trying to imply that I am against the use of condoms and other BC that PREVENTS pregnancy from occuring.
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s "I'm for the least government possible"? Then why are asking for our government officials to get involve and criminalize surgical and non-surgical abortion(RU 486/ Medical birth control Abortion pill)? you make no sense.Your are not for the least government possible,but for more of it.otherwise you wouldn't be sticking your nose in people affairs and what they do with their bodies.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal also, I do not label myself as "pro-life." I think "pro-life" and "pro-choice" are manipulative names that encourage people to take up a tribalist mindest. I am for the criminalization of abortion, nothing more, nothing less. But you've steered the conversation away to be about everything but that.
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s No actually, I'm right on the money.Rather you want to believe it or not abortion,birth control,all contraception and sterilization comes all in one package.Attack one,all gets attack.Banned one,then all gets banned.It's called the "chain reaction". You really don't know anything about birth control,do you? Birth control does not prevents,but aborts.Wow you really haven't done your homework.birth control is used to interrupt pregnancy at various stages. interrupt means abort.~contu
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
Why do you think we have to morning after pill,same thing as birth control pill, but in a bigger dosage.Birth control is smaller dosage.Most Americans are not aware that the Pill and other chemical "contraceptives" cause millions of "non-surgical" abortions each year~ Patrick D. Walker, M.D.,~ John Brose, M.D., Surgeon~ Beverly A. McMillan, M.D., Ob/Gyn look up Randy Alcorn on birth control.birth control is a non-surgical abortion.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
Don't forget I use to be pro-life and did not believe in abortions and did not use birth control because of abortion issues.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal So a condom doesn't prevent pregnancy, it aborts one? Same goes for sponges with spermicide, cervical caps, diaphragms? You're the one who doesn't seem to know anything about birth control. Criminalizing abortion isn't going to ban any of those. Again, I am not for banning any of these, so to keep arguing that I am is pointless. You're just avoiding the true subject here, the intentional termination of a human life. Don't forget, I used to be pro-choice
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s actually,no,cervical caps,diaphragms,sponges with spermicide causes blood clots,heart attack,strokes, viral infections and even death to a human from long time uses of these products.Those product are not 100% pregnancy prevention.
I get it now! You criminalize surgical abortion,but not non-surgical abortion(the pill). Just so you know the old ways of abortion is not used anymore and why should they be, when we have a non-surgical way RU 486/ Medical birth control Abortion pill
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
and the morning after pill & birth control.Get out of the dark ages and back to this era(science era). So when your fighting to criminalize abortion it also criminalize all forms of birth control pills. Now I find this so funny, you agree with me on taxes and welfare,lol. So you would rather see a born human starve to death,get no medical attention,live on the streets?You have a heart,but it's in the wrong place and in the wrong fight.~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
criminalizing surgical and non-surgical abortion( pills) does not least government possible,it's adding to it and more higher taxes.Otherwise this country will end up just like the Philippians,Africa and other countries that first criminalize surgical and non-surgical abortion(pills/birth control pills) and then all contraception.There is no welfare aid,no medical,no schooling,no housing,no jobs,no money in those countries.Humans are living in unsanitary condition~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
eating from garbage dumps,dieing from non treated deceases, not getting any education,running around naked, having no jobs and their government is least government possible and begging for other countries to help their people.
"people living and supporting eachother by voluntary?" Yeah that's really going to work,lol. people are going to give up their money,their job,their food,their cloths,their homes to another human. New Flash!! No one is going to do this,I'm not!!
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal and clearly you do not pay any attention to politics and world affairs. Our government is one of the biggest governments possible, and guess what- we have people eating from garbage, we have no jobs, and out government begs other countries to help (guess how much we're in debt?). The people are taxed to death and the common 90% of people aren't allowed the much income to be sulf-sufficient, which is why we "need" the government assisted programs. Crappy cycle, learn a thing
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s "When it comes to rape, I'm okay with people sticking their noses in other people's affairs and what they do with their bodies." for or against rape victims getting an abortion?
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
cuz If your for it, criminalizing abortion only forces a rape & incest victim to carry it to full term.They will not be allowed to get an abortion.Just like if a woman is going to die or a fetus is deformed.Criminalizing means no one by no means or any reason can get an abortion.Rape is illegal and jail time is required if caught.Just like they criminalized Pot.Some cancer patients use pot to slow down the spreading cancer.
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
If the patient is caught with pot they go to jail or prison.Pot is criminalized drug,having cancer is not an exception to the rule.So criminalizing abortion is not going to make exception for rape,incest,deform fetus or a woman dieing from giving birth excuse.We have that now in our abortion laws and you want to criminalize it. Why don't you talk to some lawyers and ask them,They'll tell you criminalizing something there is no exception what so ever!! that's the rule & law
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal Thank you captain obvious, I'm well aware of what "criminalizing" means. My stance is that abortion is the killing of a child. Rape doesn't justify killing a child, and I would be morally inconsistant if I thought the exception should be made. Should a rape victim to carried her baby to full term and gave birth have the "choice" to drown it in the bathtub? Abortion is just another psychological trauma to stack on top of an already damaged raped woman .
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s Okay now your talking my language..I was raped and I did carry it to full term and gave birth to it. I am psychological trauma from giving birth to the rapist fetus!!! Just so you know The fetus was born with brain cancer and other medical problems!!! It died 8 1/2 months after it's birth. Giving birth to a rapist fetus ruined my life!!! I had to look at it every day as a constant reminder of the rape. ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
So yeah, giving birth to rapist fetus psychological traumatized me for life.something you'll never understand cause it was me and not YOU!!! Your not the one who got stuck paying for the fetus medical bills.Your not the one that has people look at you like you some kind of slut or what you done to get raped.Your not the one that has to go around lying to people that you have only two in-stand of three just so you don't have to explain how the third one came about.~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
So don't sit there and pretend to know what I am feeling,cause you don't!! It was me and not YOU!!
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal If that story's true, I'm very sorry you were raped and very sorry you lost your child. I can understand how painful of an experience that would be, and that it would be easy to think "if I just had had an abortion, I wouldn't have gone through this." At least the guilt isn't on your conscience for being responsible for your child's death, and I hope that's nothing you will ever put yourself through.
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
@Ju87s Very true story!! I can show you a picture of it laying in the casket, if you don't believe me.
" At least the guilt isn't on your conscience for being responsible for your child's(My words:not a child! a fetus!!) death."
Oh but I am responsible for it's death.I'm the one that gave birth and let it suffer(torture) like it did,Nice and slow suffering(torture). Everyday I screamed "Hurry up and die!!!".
Here's the best part of the whole store~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
the rapists had more right then I did. They got only a year in jail and the bio-father(one of the rapist) had to know everything about me,my name,where I lived,my phone number for his visitation rights to his fetus when he gets out.
So glad the damn thing die before it's rapist father got out of jail.I still have to look over my shoulder everyday for the rest of my life!!
ashatbulaparanormal 2 weeks ago
@ashatbulaparanormal How is an 8 1/2 old baby a fetus? The pictures you showed me were clearly of a more developed child.
"Everyday I screamed hurry up and die"
This story sounds very disturbing and makes me wonder if you did this yourself. That is, if all of this is true. It sounds very sensational.
Ju87s 1 week ago
@Ju87s It's a fetus to me an unwanted fetus.No I didn't do it!! cancer shut down all it's functions.It's what cancer does. Like I said, Stop pretending you know how a rape victim feels,cause you don't!! IT didn't happen to YOU!!
Disturbing?
Let me tell you disturbing. Tubes up the nose and down the throat to feed it ,cause it can't even suck a bottle or breath right.Scares all over the body from doctors cutting it open for this test,that test,like a little lab rat. ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
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@Ju87s It's a fetus to me an unwanted fetus.No I didn't do it!! cancer shut down all it's functions.It's what cancer does. Like I said, Stop pretending you know how a rape victim feels,cause you don't!! IT didn't happen to YOU!!
Disturbing?
Let me tell you disturbing. Tubes up the nose and down the throat to feed it ,cause it can't even suck a bottle or breath right.Scares all over the body from doctors cutting it open for this test,that test,like a little lab rat. ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
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@Ju87s It's a fetus to me an unwanted fetus.No I didn't do it!! cancer shut down all it's functions.It's what cancer does. Like I said, Stop pretending you know how a rape victim feels,cause you don't!! IT didn't happen to YOU!!
Disturbing?
Let me tell you disturbing. Tubes up the nose and down the throat to feed it ,cause it can't even suck a bottle or breath right.Scares all over the body from doctors cutting it open for this test,that test,like a little lab rat. ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
"This story sounds very disturbing and makes me wonder if you did this yourself."
That is why I have to lie about everything!!! What, I suppose to be " Hey,guess what I had a rapist's fetus and it was a joyous day of my life!!! I love watching a live fetus get treated like some kind of lab rat!! Here doctor,here all my money for nothing."
You people make me sick with all of your support of live human lab rats!! So the doctors and scientist can get rich. ~contu~
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
I'm done talking to you!!! But remember this, when you control someone's personal life,someone else controls you!! It will later bit you in the ass.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
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I'm done talking to you!!! But remember this, when you control someone's personal life,someone else controls you!! It will later bit you in the ass.
ashatbulaparanormal 1 week ago
@Ju87s Hello,I see your fellow pro-lifer.It's nice to meet you.I'm a pro-lifer too.How ever I disagree with you on CPS being a bunch of devils.They're there to protect children from bad parents.Just like pro-life is protecting fetus from abortion and birth control.So don't pay any attention to Ashatb,your doing a wonderful job in trying to protect fetus from abortion and birth control.Fetus have a right to live!! with your help they will
billthemisogynist 2 weeks ago
@billthemisogynist right, I can't take anything seriously coming from a guy named "billthemisogynist" Troll on brother
Ju87s 2 weeks ago
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ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal "Big difference between three months or less of pregnancy(inside the womb) vs. to three years outside the womb"
Yes, and there's a big difference between 3 years outside the womb vs 30 years outside the womb. A much bigger difference than 3months in utero:3 years born. Does that make it less morally wrong to kill a toddler than a grown adult?
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s Bye bye!!! .As I said before,go ahead banned abortion,banned birth control,banned sterilization..But, your going to have to figure out how to house,feed and educate,medical treat every fetus that is born. Your not going to use my tax dollars to do so!! Yes our tax dollars pays for welfare.medical,food,housing and education. Take away all of the above and our country turns into countries like the Philippines & Africa ..Maybe that's not such a half bad idea. both countries~continue
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal good for you? Anyway, I think this discussion's gone as far as it can. You take care now, asha
Ju87s 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal just like men shouldn't have the right to choose to rape a woman. I don't think welfare should pay for the child either. That's a whole separate issue. But from what I'm understanding from you is, when you said, "why would she, when mine & your tax dollars is going to pay for her and all those babies," is that you think low-income mothers should be FORCED to have abortions. That's just fucking sick, and I think you'll find very few people who would agree with you.
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s Hold the phone!!! if anyone is doing any forcing here,it's you and pro-life!!! Who said to force low-income mothers into abortion? I didn't!!! I said, stop using my taxes dollars to pay for welfare bums, CPS & adoption Industries(all pro-life)..Where did I say force all women to have abortion??? I'm about choices!! NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED INTO ANYTHING THEY DON'T WANT TO DO!!! ~contintue
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
You and pro-life on the other hand want to take that choice away and force every women and teen to carry a pregnancy to full term rather they want too or not.You and Pro-life are not about human rights at all.
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal "why would she, when mine & your tax dollars is going to pay for her and all those babies..." the only assumption one could make from that, is that she should be forced to have an abortion, because she was the example you used; a 28-year-old mom with 7 kids who's not going to stop having kids anytime soon.
Ju87s 4 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal and dumbass, if this hypothetical 28 year old on welfare is planning to have as many children as she can, then she's obviously not going to be getting an abortion whether it's legal or not.
Ju87s 4 months ago
@Ju87s No dumbass, why would she, when mine & your tax dollars is going to pay for her and all those babies...I work hard for my money,you want to banned abortion go for it!! but I'm going to see that my tax dollars is not going to be spend on them collecting welfare,free collage education,free medical,free food,free clothing,free housing and what ever else they can bleed out of me...You get pregnant,then pay for it and I mean pay for it all,No more free loading off the tax payers!!!
ashatbulaparanormal 4 months ago
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@Ju87s" should we just start killing off large parts of the population so we don't have to "pay for idiots?" lol,you don't seem to have problem killing off old folks,by taking SSI and medicare/medicaid away from them..Oh I get it!! Out with the old and in with the new,right?
ashatbulaparanormal 5 months ago
@OmgLiikeWtf Says: choice of Adoption.WTG to promote adoption Agencies & CPS a muti-billion dollar industry has just become more bigger.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you "Wal-kids Super Center"
ashatbulaparanormal 9 months ago
@ashatbulaparanormal says: Coming soon to a neighborhood near you "Wal-kids Super Center"
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LOLOL...good one ..but its scary to think "theses" people would think that would be a perfect solution
Sueezee1 9 months ago
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OmgLiikeWtf 9 months ago
Im all about being a women and having choices but the moment you get pregnant its not just about you anymore its about the life inside you and as a women i do not think that we should just be able to end a life inside of us just bc we choose to....what about the babies choice?
loveeit66 9 months ago
@loveeit66
A fetus doesn't have the ability to choose, therefore it doesn't have a choice. It sounds mean to say, but by getting rid of the right to choose, you would force young girls to carry a pregnancy for nine months, a fetus that will feed off of their bodies, that will make them throw up, that will give them mood swings, that will bloat them and give them cramps, then you force them to go through the excruciating process known as Childbirth. THAT is sicker than removing a clump of cells
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@loveeit66 says: m all about being a women and having choices but the moment you get pregnant its not just about you anymore its about the life inside you
~~~~~~~~~ Sorry sweetie, but that "life" inside her is her own private property to do with as she chooses...its NOT yours to do with as YOU choose.
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@loveeit66 says: .what about the babies choice?
~~~~~~~~~ Well, you dumb shit, we once asked embryos to make a choice ... and the little stinkers wouldnt tell us what they wanted. How old are you?
Sueezee1 9 months ago
Here's your choice....Open legs, have a baby. Shut legs, don't have a baby. You don't want a baby? Then SHUT YOUR DAMN LEGS!!!
LydiaMakesMovies 9 months ago
@LydiaMakesMovies says: SHUT YOUR DAMN LEGS
~~~~~~~~~ What? billions of people have sex everyday with No unwanted pregs...and here YOU are saying sex should stop..just in case? Thats not a fear of pregnancy...thats a fear of human sexuality. You need to see a shrink for your problem, lydia!!
Sueezee1 9 months ago
@Sueezee1 No I'm saying if a woman knows that she cannot take care of a baby, she should do everything to prevent becoming pregnant. I was pissed of when I left that comment. I'm simply saying that using protection and other forms of pregnancy prevention should be used, and because they are not completely accurate, sometimes deciding to not have sex is the answer. And yes I do need to see a shrink, but I'm too poor and can't afford it! Instead I go on youtube and watch videos, thats my therapy!
LydiaMakesMovies 9 months ago
@LydiaMakesMovies says: No I'm saying if a woman knows that she cannot take care of a baby, she should do everything to prevent becoming pregnant.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ NO that is NOT what you said. You said "shut your damned legs" ( the typical white trash prolife version of ,"stop having sex"). Prevention included birth control & you didnt say that! Stop lying
Sueezee1 9 months ago
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Wow we are certainly living in a self-centred world when people can so ignorantly try to justify that human life has no importance. We were all embryos once. We were all protected inside our mothers womb at some point. Just because we don't see them or hear them doesn't mean they have no worth. Humanity? What a scary thought when we have people with this mindset.
phoenixdrive1973 10 months ago
Together they look like idiots!
Brooklyngurl4e 10 months ago
@ 0:20 "Choice". Look at what "choice" this video is advocating: Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Website.
catburger1000 11 months ago
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Officials Find Dozens of Frozen Dead Babies After Legal Abortion Death Probed
Officials also suspected the woman died from the botched abortion in part because she had been treated by unlicensed personnel a suspension order described "deplorable & unsanitary" conditions at the clinic indicating that "there was blood on the floor, and parts of aborted fetuses were displayed in jars.” The order declared Gosnell to be "an immediate & clear danger to the public health and safety
teton99 1 year ago
I have always found it hypocritical that we as a society have made murder illegal, but have kept abortion legal. If killing something that is scientifically human, genetically individual from the mother, and the most innocent of any living human being is not murder, then we as a society have no clue what murder is.
someone060288 1 year ago
@someone060288 says:hypocritical that we as a society have made murder illegal, but have kept abortion legal.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That means youre an irrational, uneducated person who equates your mom & dad and yourself, to something that has no higher consciousness than that of an earthworm. You have irrationally connected with something that dosent even come close to being an intrical part of our human beingness.Your idea is a sick fetal obsession w/ NO sense of reality
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@someone060288 says: we as a society have no clue what murder is.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats NOT "society"..thats YOU! Educated people KNOW what murder is, and they KNOW abortion dosent fall under that crime. learn and get smarter and you wont be made to look foolish.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 Scientifically once fertilization is complete the unborn child has 46 chromosomes which means all of its physical features are determined including sex facial features body type and color of hair eyes and skin. The unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother. It relies upon its mother for shelter and nourishment, but that remains true well after it is born. About 22 days in the heart begins to beat. About 40 days in brain waves can be detected.
someone060288 1 year ago
@someone060288 says: The unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother. I
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahah, why in the hell are you telling me this? It means squat!!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 I can see that you are not interested in civil discourse, only childish name calling. If you decide to have a genuine discussion of the topic at hand, let me know. Otherwise, I will not respond any further to your berating comments.
someone060288 1 year ago
@someone060288 says: can see that you are not interested in civil discourse,
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why did you tell me that " The unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother"?????
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 The fact that the unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother is a relevant fact because that means the child is not a part of the mother like an arm or a leg, but rather is being housed within the mother for protection and nourishment purposes because it is unable to provide such things for itself. It is also relevant because that means it is scientifically a member of humanity and should necessarily be afforded protection under the law.
someone060288 1 year ago
@someone060288 says:unborn child is genetically and developmentally independent from the mother is a relevant fact because that means the child is not a part of the mother like an arm or a leg,
~~~~~~ Who in the hell thought it was part of the womans damned body?????/ No its not, but the women OWNS her fetus. Its her personal private property, to do with as she chooses. I told you what you said wasnt relevant. You need to listen to me..I know it all when it comes to this subject.
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 "the women OWNS her fetus". The "fetus" is scientifically human, and the 13th amendment abolished slavery. The woman is merely where the fetus is being housed and the medium through which it receives nourishment. The mother has no more claim of "ownership" over the unborn child than it does over the mother's born children.
someone060288 1 year ago
@someone060288 says: 13th amendment abolished slavery
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha, slavves were ALWAYS seen as human...they were not human BEINGS until they got rights...just like a fetus and a fetus will NEVER have right s like slaves...ya know why?? guess!! LOL
Sueezee1 1 year ago
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someone060288 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 "they were not human BEINGS until they got rights." So you are saying that African Americans were not human until we adopted the 13th amendment? Yes, they were always human. They were humans that was being treated very unjustly and were not being given their human rights. In the same way, unborn children are human, and deserve the same protection that all humans should receive.
someone060288 1 year ago
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Sueezee1 1 year ago
@someone060288 says: The mother has no more claim of "ownership" over the unborn child than it does over the mother's born children.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahahahahahahhahahahahaha.....ya,. then let the mom legally klill her born kids and see what she gets... LMFAO... I love dumb people..this is so much fun ( and youre not even embarrassed about being stupid... get alittle pride in yourslef, why dont ya?? LOL)
Sueezee1 1 year ago
@Sueezee1 I can see that you are indeed not interested in civil discourse. I apologize to you for indulging your childish sense of intellectual superiority. You have presented no scientific evidence to back up your claims. You do nothing but insult me. Your goal in commenting on this video seems to be merely to insult people who believe differently than you do. I will block you. I hope for your argument's sake that other pro-abortionist can present their case better than you can defend it.
someone060288 1 year ago
@someone060288 says: I will block you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Of course you will....when dumbass prolifers are painted into a corner, they always haul ass, and when you do..I know I was the winner..I