I have to slightly revise my previous comment on the hand: I still think the overshove on the turn is the right play putting maximum pressure on mediocre hands like toppair. A 2nd nuts flushdraw along with a straightdraw is just too stong for being folded on the turn. With a hand like that you want to stay the aggressor in the hand. Williams is forced to make a tough decision, which (luckily for him) ended up being correct. With a weaker kicker, Williams would have folded here I guess.
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I disagree with MKscamp. His betting wasn't coherent is why. If he did flop 2 pair or a set, going all in on the turn didn't make any sense. After all, if he did have q 4, his hand would lose to a better kicker, if he had j 4 or a set, I'd assume he wouldn't just go all in, he would try to get as many chips as he could to not scare him away.
@jestes7 And you should. The two pair / set talk is only relevant if the board doesn't pair on the turn. I wouldn't think Harrington was tricky enough to move a boat in there, so you're basically paying for a jack only, which looks unlikely, though certainly possible. Personally, I'd think a queen or a combi-draw was most likely, so if I'm getting any sort of price I call in that particular situation.
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it's sick call, but if u have a monster hand, u would like played it more careful, for make some money from opponent. So I think that it was semi-bluff... or draw-bluff reading from David.
And after double card, i will think twice for making push all in - it's cash, not tournament. Dane was tryed play it by image maybe...
how big were the stacks? how much did he bet on the turn relative to the pot. This was FR, and I don't think the turn shove was at all good. And the check/raise on the flop is fucking horrible, esp vs a bad player.
He was trying to squeeze on the flop...it's exactly as advertise
Player 1--david--raise to protect his hand
Player 2---calls with a drawing type of hand
Player 3--dan--raise to make player 1 &2 folds...
although, it wont work if your opponent thinks better off you....In this situation, David did not put dan on a hand like A-K or better.Higly likely that he does not have a jack on the TURN (since it paired).....It was really a gamble to david's part but nonetheless a good call.
@cookielights oh i didn't see the other call. In that case I don't mind the flop check/raise because of the dead money. However the turn he should just give up, esp since if he called an OOP (scary-looking) flop check/raise, he likely has a strong hand he won't fold, like a boat. that turn card is prob the 2nd worst card for dan.
that all-in move was obviously a bluff. no way you would do that if u actually had a jack, AA or KK. Thats what he gets, he should not have made it obvious that he was 'acting' strong. maybe if he would have waited for 10-15 seconds the other guy would have folded.
What hand is Dan repping? The only made hand that Dan might've check-raised the flop that doesnt fill up on turn is Q4. If he has any other combo, like QQ/JJ(first 2 very unlikely) /QJ/J4/44 why would he overbet move in whe he most likely has the hand locked? Then again leveling could be dragged in here, but I doubt that has much merit here. Imo Williams' call is definately not as bad as most people appear to think.
@Lexington365 actually, it's around $7500. And it's a bad shove because he wouldn't have actually played the only made hand he could have had in this situation (a full house) this way. If he had a full house, he'd bet around $3000, enticing Williams to call with a draw, and allowing him to put his remaining $11,000 into a $13,500 pot on the river, which looks like a value bet. That's how he'd play a boat, so that's how he should semi-bluff.
such a stupid shove by dan, no one takes that line THAT quick for value. he insta shoved the turn like an idiot, yet he was repping huge n the flop (2 pair or better) and he insta shoves overbet turn and expects ppl to believe him.
I don't like the way David Williams played his hand. This call was a poor play in my opinion. I like Harrington check-raise on the flop... In fact all in on the turn was the only way to play that later.
Williams sucks , I love how he asks"JACK?" . How can Dan Harrington ever have a Jack in his range unless it's a Jack combo that already beat him on the flop. Williams was never ever good here unless he's up against exactly KTs. Bad call on flop and turn.
@gavnastyyy is it 50/100? or 100/200? Because with 6 limpers seeing a flop, and the flop bet was 600, I would presume it was either the size of the pot, or maybe like 50-60% of the pot...
Generally a good play to bet pot, and strong bet the turn with open end and flush draw, but much smarter when deep stacked, and not against a rich donkey like david williams, so its a good play but not really good here....
@smirko ....Check raise all in on the flop would be the best option against a donkey like williams, or just call and try to hit... Williams is a complete donkey any real profitable pro would know this...
I disagree with some previous comments stating that Dan´s move looks obviously like a semi-bluff with a drawing hand. Actually, the opposite is true. A strong check-raise on the flop and an all-in move out of position on the turn indicates a very strong holding like two pair or a set - especially as Dan is a tight player. David shouldn´t have called here even though he ended up winning the pot. Obviously he was not able to muck his top pair. A really good move by Dan.
@MKscamp i agree. i think its a terrible call by williams.mainly because everybody limped and because dan is known for playing tight.dan could have pocket 4s or qj in that spot,especially when he moves all in on the turn.cash games are also about protecting your stack,calling an all in on a paired board and 2 to a flush against dan is not a great move imo.
@carlski76 Cash games are about putting your money in when it's profitable, and in this case, it probably was. He would not bet double the pot with a full boat, which is the only real hand he could have, because he wan'ts Williams to call with a drawing hand, which he usually has.
@MKscamp no one play set like that, including dan. he overbet the turn like he wanted that david folds, williams read this and makes a good call imo. i think harrington tilt a little when david snap call the flop. the turn J is not a good card for harrington because decreases the posibility that he´s holds a monster hand. And if williams call the raise in the flop, 100% of the time call any bet in the turn if comes a blank like the J.
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@MKscamp Actually I think it was a pretty good call. Dan probably can't have AQ, JJ or QQ here because he would've raised them preflop. That means the only hands he can have that beat DW are 44, J4, and QJ. On the other hand, DH could also have check raised with T9hh, KThh, Qxhh, and possibly Axhh, T8hh, and 89hh. Given that DW was getting 2-1 on his money, I think he made the right call given Harrington's range.
@MKscamp Whoa whoa whoa. Slow down now. What does he overshove with on the turn when the jack comes? It made his hand right? He should have a boat and only a boat. Too thin of a hand range to rep. Bad play.
@MKscamp ur not gonna shove the turn with a full house or quads. At best dan would have trip jacks, trying to protect. but his move makes perfect sense anyway with his huge drawing hand. bcuz if williams doesnt have trips or better, its going to be hard for williams to make the call. so excellent play either way.
seriously what is david gonna put him on after shoving the turn THAT quick.. not a j.. gotta know he's good a large % of the time.. at least imo.. sure its easy to say that after seeing the hand.. but would dan have to momentarily think about his action if he had the nuts..
i wasn't wrong.. he reraised after the flop surely he has something stronger than a 4.. by the way i didn't say i was a pro because i owned his books, i just have a fair idea how he plays from his books.. Cut it out boi u don't know anything bout poker..
I thought it was a bad Allin that screamed draw. What could the Jack do there to help Dan's hand considering he raised the flop? Does he have trip jacks? Then why not check raise. Does he have 44 and now has the FH - same, he would check raise or smooth call. By goin allin he is saying I have a flush or str8 draw... call me with top pair.
agree, but the problem w/ chk raise is that by then they'd be pot committed since he only had 14k and david probably similar. so by pushing first, he gets the extra chance to win if david folds. lots of hands he could have that he would fold there based on the action. his only other option is check call but what does he do on the river? MAYBE he can get away from it, but he did hit the flush and david may just have the ace, or a counterfeited smaller pair. and david read all of that right
even the top pros admit that some luck is required to make it too the final table. Just recently we have been seeing many no name guys making it to the final table.
You really show your ignorance here. Yes, poker can SEEM about luck, to the unknowing. Study it, learn. It's MATH, and it's reading people, it's not luck.
Poker is a game of LUCK ie. Gambling if you look at it that way, but the reason people are considered GOOD at it is because they can read people and determine what they have by their behaviour. So technically its both Luck and Talent/Skill
Poker is about math ... can't you see the percentages to the left?
1 of 20 will make money of poker or something.
In the long run a good player will make profit
And if by luck you mean winning with the worst hand, well, it happens. AA can loose to 72 off, but the percentages for 72 to win are 14,15%, meaning he would in theory win 14 out of 100 times.
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Only good players can make profit from it by using their skills and math evaluation! If it were only about luck that wouldn't explain why some poker players have become millionairs just playing poker!!!
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well, i'm not american anyway. I'm Italian and I studied in a public university... i didn't pay for career. You can believe whatever you want, I don't mean to convince you. Just I'm astonished how a physicist can' see that poker is just a game with imperfect information, and that a branch of math, "Game theory" studies this kind of situations to develop strategies and methods to make right decision!
Its funny how some people are spot on when analysing this hand, and others are just way off the eight-ball. Quite amusing :) well done larry. The only hand that david can put dan on that beats his own hand is a Jack, but the quick all-in makes it obvious. The second jack was a good card funnily enough for david :) Dan didn't make sense. Thats when the bluff goes wrong(or semi-bluff lol).
David analyzed this well. If Dan has the J, then he knows that checking will induce a bet from David because David is aggressive. So there's no way Dan makes this play with a Jack.
Next time I'm in a situation where I'm pretty sure my opponent has top pair or an overpair and I turn baby or middle trips, I'm gonna go all in instantly. Make it look like a bluff. POW
Lol stop trying toi act like u kno what u sya. Harrington checkraises the flop and u suggest that if he had AJ type of hand he would chech the turn? r u serius?
are u rllllly serius/????
The only thing that gave it off was the quick allin. At least think about it pretend u have AQ or whatever, but this way it was an easy read for a good draw/
Yes he checks the flop with a J because he knows David is aggressive and will bet if checked to, especially since he has a hand strong enough to call the check raise
around 1:45 dan says, "im here so" y did he say that. Maybe thats where he picked up a tell, David was paying for beer and heard him say something and instantly was back on dan
i think harrington played the hand perfectly not sure about davids call though. he asks dan if he has a jack so he has no clue what he has, not a good read just a questionable call.
i think david make a sick call dan could have aq or a j easily and in the best case he was in a draw he was only slight favorite overall a bad xcentage play but he won so he done well
I like Dan's raise on the flop but pushing the turn seems like a poor play, its exactly the type of play he advocates not making in his cash game books. Its pretty funny when you see someone write one thing and then do the complete opposite. I think hes a great player though, just not this hand.
If Dan would always play exactly the same as he wrote, it would be soo easy to play against him, everybody should just know those books. Doyle had to change his strategy after the Super System too.
i don't think he should of raised he should of known with davids bet he hit the queen and if he raised it ws gonna be called after it ws called he had to many chips in the pot making him pot committed and then he could of saw the turn cheaper and if it doesn't hit it drops him down to 30 percent chance of winning he should of check and folded. A little over aggresive on a draw.
Good call by David Williams, I think that would've been a great place for Dan to trap David on the turn if he had the Jack, so because he shoved all-in it led Williams to believe that Dan did NOT have the Jack.
For everyone singing Williams' praises for his call here, please remember he would also call if the flush was already out there and he was drawing almost dead. (Which is exactly what he did against Johnny Chan in this years National Heads Up Championship.) Williams is just a super loose, super aggressive player not unlike Gus Hansen. He looks like a genius when it works and looks like an idiot when it doesn't.
lol are you dumb? He had 14 outs, 8cards to hit his open ended minus the 9h and the Ah with his flush draw, he has 6 cards to hit his straight and 9 cards to hit his flush=15 outs total. On the turn he has 14 outs minus the Qh.
Actually, you're wrong too. Jeff folded two hearts, so he had only 7 hearts to hit his flush, and 6 straight cards. 13 outs twice, but he loses one on the turn, so 12. I'm certain he thought he had 15 outs on the flop though.
This turn shove is dumb though. Dan Harrington would not c/r that flop, and then shove a Jack on the turn with 44/JQ/J4, he'd probably check because David would fire and he could check raise again, just like David said. Hence why David called the turn.
This is not a bad call - you really think dan harrington is shoving for 14k on the turn into a 6k pot with a full house? his range here is weighed pretty heavily toward a combo draw and david was smart enough to figure that out and make a tough call.
That's exactly why Williams called. The shove just screams "I GOT A DRAW LOL DONKAMENTS."
Like David said, if Dan had a big hand, he'd check raise David again, because he knows David is aggressive and will bet if checked to. Then he could CRAI. David is a brash, obnoxious twat, but he knows what he is doing.
Dan is not check raising the flop there and then overbet shoving the turn with QJ/J4/Q4 and he would have raised preflop with AQ. It's not a value bet, it's a "please don't call me because I'm on a big draw and have fold equity, bet, but if you call I have a billion outs anyway."
That's what I saw too. I might have slowed down after the board paired though. I think if Dan bet the flop here he would have just been called and seen the next 2 cards cheaply. When he went all-in on the turn David knew he was winning. My 2 cent.
As Dan said afterwards, he assumed David was drawing to the A-high flush. If he checked the turn he'd risk David taking a free card. Also, David might push or feel committed after he bet big and Dan CRAI. If David calls, then bfd. 15 outs.
I don't think Dan tried to represent a full house, but a strong top pair. There's no point in betting a big part of your stack on the turn on such a draw heavy board if you're not folding on the river no matter what. Shove is better and pretty standard imo.
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i fucking hate that bullshit... the guy has over 15 outs, and can't catch 1 of them on the turn or the river... and of course its the queen of hearts......... just wow..
i thought it was a bad call on the flop not so much on the turn. It was a really really good check raise by Harrington on the flop. Should of made David fold instead he calls like a donky. It turned out it was a good call since he won the hand. But i've seen David play and he just makes terrible calls sometimes.
I have to slightly revise my previous comment on the hand: I still think the overshove on the turn is the right play putting maximum pressure on mediocre hands like toppair. A 2nd nuts flushdraw along with a straightdraw is just too stong for being folded on the turn. With a hand like that you want to stay the aggressor in the hand. Williams is forced to make a tough decision, which (luckily for him) ended up being correct. With a weaker kicker, Williams would have folded here I guess.
MKscamp 5 months ago
NOOO DAVID WILLIAMS DON'T DO IT. DON'T DO IT. JANET MASON IS NOT A GOOD OP!
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champions20000009 8 months ago
dan went all in too fast in my opinion. kinda made it obvious he had a hand that didnt want to be called.
seaquoia 8 months ago
good play by both
Aesire7 9 months ago
I disagree with MKscamp. His betting wasn't coherent is why. If he did flop 2 pair or a set, going all in on the turn didn't make any sense. After all, if he did have q 4, his hand would lose to a better kicker, if he had j 4 or a set, I'd assume he wouldn't just go all in, he would try to get as many chips as he could to not scare him away.
jestes7 9 months ago
@jestes7 And you should. The two pair / set talk is only relevant if the board doesn't pair on the turn. I wouldn't think Harrington was tricky enough to move a boat in there, so you're basically paying for a jack only, which looks unlikely, though certainly possible. Personally, I'd think a queen or a combi-draw was most likely, so if I'm getting any sort of price I call in that particular situation.
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Rub dem boobs, David.
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gigjan 1 year ago 3
Did anyone notice how long Williams stared at Harrington's hands / cards during pre-flop before Dan made the check?
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RobertLuke9 1 year ago
it's sick call, but if u have a monster hand, u would like played it more careful, for make some money from opponent. So I think that it was semi-bluff... or draw-bluff reading from David.
And after double card, i will think twice for making push all in - it's cash, not tournament. Dane was tryed play it by image maybe...
They both making mistakes, maybe David more...
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kosbarable 1 year ago
how big were the stacks? how much did he bet on the turn relative to the pot. This was FR, and I don't think the turn shove was at all good. And the check/raise on the flop is fucking horrible, esp vs a bad player.
lumaix 1 year ago
He was trying to squeeze on the flop...it's exactly as advertise
Player 1--david--raise to protect his hand
Player 2---calls with a drawing type of hand
Player 3--dan--raise to make player 1 &2 folds...
although, it wont work if your opponent thinks better off you....In this situation, David did not put dan on a hand like A-K or better.Higly likely that he does not have a jack on the TURN (since it paired).....It was really a gamble to david's part but nonetheless a good call.
cookielights 1 year ago
@cookielights oh i didn't see the other call. In that case I don't mind the flop check/raise because of the dead money. However the turn he should just give up, esp since if he called an OOP (scary-looking) flop check/raise, he likely has a strong hand he won't fold, like a boat. that turn card is prob the 2nd worst card for dan.
lumaix 1 year ago
that all-in move was obviously a bluff. no way you would do that if u actually had a jack, AA or KK. Thats what he gets, he should not have made it obvious that he was 'acting' strong. maybe if he would have waited for 10-15 seconds the other guy would have folded.
steevyp 1 year ago
What hand is Dan repping? The only made hand that Dan might've check-raised the flop that doesnt fill up on turn is Q4. If he has any other combo, like QQ/JJ(first 2 very unlikely) /QJ/J4/44 why would he overbet move in whe he most likely has the hand locked? Then again leveling could be dragged in here, but I doubt that has much merit here. Imo Williams' call is definately not as bad as most people appear to think.
ShredJK 1 year ago
@ShredJK What do you mean "leveling?" This is a cash game.
Other than that, you're right.
RussellsParadox 1 year ago
How is this a bad shove? The pot is $8k on the turn, Dan has $14k. By far the easiest way to play the hand.
Lexington365 1 year ago
@Lexington365 actually, it's around $7500. And it's a bad shove because he wouldn't have actually played the only made hand he could have had in this situation (a full house) this way. If he had a full house, he'd bet around $3000, enticing Williams to call with a draw, and allowing him to put his remaining $11,000 into a $13,500 pot on the river, which looks like a value bet. That's how he'd play a boat, so that's how he should semi-bluff.
RussellsParadox 1 year ago
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ksksksksksJACK 1 year ago
such a stupid shove by dan, no one takes that line THAT quick for value. he insta shoved the turn like an idiot, yet he was repping huge n the flop (2 pair or better) and he insta shoves overbet turn and expects ppl to believe him.
thehuhu 1 year ago
@thehuhu if you know how action dan plays then you would put him on his hand straight away.
BoomBoomPowDatBitch 1 year ago
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skateDT 1 year ago
this david guy is kinda donk
deamacks 1 year ago
IMO a poor overbet shove there, looks like a draw, I mean if I was david I would have put Dan on king 10 hearts.
donbabba1 1 year ago
I don't like David Williams! He has a bad attitude!
DJBouncey 1 year ago
Dan got bodoged
theafrodude22 1 year ago
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RIgnace 1 year ago
"ahh, look at that. thats a good hand"
Doderhultarn89 1 year ago
ouch....this is one of the reasons why i want to quit playing, but then i always start again.
jschristian44 1 year ago
I don't like the way David Williams played his hand. This call was a poor play in my opinion. I like Harrington check-raise on the flop... In fact all in on the turn was the only way to play that later.
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JRN2222 1 year ago
does williams rub his nipples every time he wins a pot?
mickymacky02 1 year ago 8
@mickymacky02 It's a very sexy tell.
barberap 2 months ago
@mickymacky02 I know what a weirdo
zadlo002 4 weeks ago
lol.. david was shittin bricks
jposco 1 year ago
Williams sucks , I love how he asks"JACK?" . How can Dan Harrington ever have a Jack in his range unless it's a Jack combo that already beat him on the flop. Williams was never ever good here unless he's up against exactly KTs. Bad call on flop and turn.
MadMaxMotorsports 1 year ago 2
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he is in the big blind, he could have any two
StigenStigen 1 year ago
it was a good call...70-30
if it was me i would have folded
Starrynova 1 year ago
this is a relatively small game.
gavnastyyy 2 years ago
@gavnastyyy is it 50/100? or 100/200? Because with 6 limpers seeing a flop, and the flop bet was 600, I would presume it was either the size of the pot, or maybe like 50-60% of the pot...
simonjeste 2 years ago
I would assume David would make a pot sized bet in a 6 way pot.
gavnastyyy 2 years ago
Dan should c/r turn obv.
terroristagr 2 years ago
i thing is flush!!!
tafacos 2 years ago
Generally a good play to bet pot, and strong bet the turn with open end and flush draw, but much smarter when deep stacked, and not against a rich donkey like david williams, so its a good play but not really good here....
JRN2222 2 years ago
@JRN2222 williams is a professional not a amateur
smirko 2 years ago
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@smirko ....Check raise all in on the flop would be the best option against a donkey like williams, or just call and try to hit... Williams is a complete donkey any real profitable pro would know this...
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dannyoo2 1 year ago
I disagree with some previous comments stating that Dan´s move looks obviously like a semi-bluff with a drawing hand. Actually, the opposite is true. A strong check-raise on the flop and an all-in move out of position on the turn indicates a very strong holding like two pair or a set - especially as Dan is a tight player. David shouldn´t have called here even though he ended up winning the pot. Obviously he was not able to muck his top pair. A really good move by Dan.
MKscamp 2 years ago 16
@MKscamp i agree. i think its a terrible call by williams.mainly because everybody limped and because dan is known for playing tight.dan could have pocket 4s or qj in that spot,especially when he moves all in on the turn.cash games are also about protecting your stack,calling an all in on a paired board and 2 to a flush against dan is not a great move imo.
carlski76 1 year ago
@carlski76 Cash games are about putting your money in when it's profitable, and in this case, it probably was. He would not bet double the pot with a full boat, which is the only real hand he could have, because he wan'ts Williams to call with a drawing hand, which he usually has.
RussellsParadox 1 year ago
@MKscamp he shouldnt have called? he made the correct call with the best hand!
seangaucho123 1 year ago
@MKscamp You'd be right if the board hadn't paired, and it wasn't DOUBLE the POT.
RussellsParadox 1 year ago
@MKscamp no one play set like that, including dan. he overbet the turn like he wanted that david folds, williams read this and makes a good call imo. i think harrington tilt a little when david snap call the flop. the turn J is not a good card for harrington because decreases the posibility that he´s holds a monster hand. And if williams call the raise in the flop, 100% of the time call any bet in the turn if comes a blank like the J.
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gycsamps 1 year ago
@MKscamp i disagree. good call David.
9ontheriver 1 year ago
@MKscamp Actually I think it was a pretty good call. Dan probably can't have AQ, JJ or QQ here because he would've raised them preflop. That means the only hands he can have that beat DW are 44, J4, and QJ. On the other hand, DH could also have check raised with T9hh, KThh, Qxhh, and possibly Axhh, T8hh, and 89hh. Given that DW was getting 2-1 on his money, I think he made the right call given Harrington's range.
cloudstrife1288 5 months ago
@MKscamp Whoa whoa whoa. Slow down now. What does he overshove with on the turn when the jack comes? It made his hand right? He should have a boat and only a boat. Too thin of a hand range to rep. Bad play.
JeeRaph 5 months ago
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MKscamp 5 months ago
@MKscamp ur not gonna shove the turn with a full house or quads. At best dan would have trip jacks, trying to protect. but his move makes perfect sense anyway with his huge drawing hand. bcuz if williams doesnt have trips or better, its going to be hard for williams to make the call. so excellent play either way.
mickymacky02 4 weeks ago
that's not an ez call with 4-5 ppl seeing a flop anyone could of limped with J8, J7, 44
RLuteran 2 years ago
wouldn't*
musicizgood 2 years ago
seriously what is david gonna put him on after shoving the turn THAT quick.. not a j.. gotta know he's good a large % of the time.. at least imo.. sure its easy to say that after seeing the hand.. but would dan have to momentarily think about his action if he had the nuts..
musicizgood 2 years ago
What Basketball is for whiteys, Poker is for Blacks :P
freakyfreak90 2 years ago
The best poker player is black(Ivey)
jb0609 2 years ago
So he's the larry bird or dirk :D
freakyfreak90 2 years ago
whats his race have to do with it? Dont be a tard
radamesort 2 years ago
I think it was a good an quite an easy call for williams
ayd1nmo 2 years ago
What a bad call
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bob bright champ!!
farqallto 2 years ago
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how can david think that dan had q 4 or j 4. dan would never play that hand in the first place..
osyris69 2 years ago
he was in the big blind
stop thinking you know anything about poker...
Blackassnegri 2 years ago
i own like all his books. stop thinking you know anything about poker
osyris69 2 years ago
so what?
if i own a book about basketball does that mean i am a proffesional basketball player?
and if you didnt take into account his hand range was mostly weak hands since he checked the big blind you dont know anything about poker
saying you own his books doesnt proof anything, you were still wrong...
Blackassnegri 2 years ago
i wasn't wrong.. he reraised after the flop surely he has something stronger than a 4.. by the way i didn't say i was a pro because i owned his books, i just have a fair idea how he plays from his books.. Cut it out boi u don't know anything bout poker..
osyris69 2 years ago
yeah he wouldnt raise j4 or q4 on the flop
youre a genious...
Blackassnegri 2 years ago
dumass still called. donkey
osyris69 2 years ago
he was in the big blind you retard
andrewmcgheeee 2 years ago
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Harrington is a FISH!
jarejeremap 2 years ago
The guy who has a WSOP Main Event bracelet, a WPT win, and two other main event final tables in the past decade?
Yup, definitely a fish.
HiveDes 2 years ago 4
You have forgotten to tell that it poker books the most popular in the world
jarejeremap 2 years ago
David Williams is a toolbox, he had no idea what Harrington had and called that bet out of pure curiosity and no skill
bluffme22 2 years ago
I thought it was a bad Allin that screamed draw. What could the Jack do there to help Dan's hand considering he raised the flop? Does he have trip jacks? Then why not check raise. Does he have 44 and now has the FH - same, he would check raise or smooth call. By goin allin he is saying I have a flush or str8 draw... call me with top pair.
kingcityguru 2 years ago
agree, but the problem w/ chk raise is that by then they'd be pot committed since he only had 14k and david probably similar. so by pushing first, he gets the extra chance to win if david folds. lots of hands he could have that he would fold there based on the action. his only other option is check call but what does he do on the river? MAYBE he can get away from it, but he did hit the flush and david may just have the ace, or a counterfeited smaller pair. and david read all of that right
freaaa1 2 years ago
Good analysis. I don't disagree other than to say that the move confirmed to David that Dan did not have a made hand IMHO.
kingcityguru 2 years ago
tough hand for dan, but nice play by the other guy.
carzytrain123456789 2 years ago
the guy with 7-2 shouldve went all in
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notengonickcojones 2 years ago
maybe in the single tournement...but in the long run there's no way a low level player can achieve good results
youngwerter87pg 2 years ago
Dan is pretty cool considering he looks like he has cancer
rigbst 2 years ago
lol
funny shit
Jfrisella 2 years ago
NBAdit
even the top pros admit that some luck is required to make it too the final table. Just recently we have been seeing many no name guys making it to the final table.
koqie 2 years ago
poker = luck??? WRONG...ROUNDERS= if poker is about luck why do the same guys make it to the final table almost every year.
NBAdit 2 years ago
that doesn't happen very often these days
em3rica89 2 years ago
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omaha is more skill
but poker is about 50/50 luck and skill
koqie 2 years ago
Omaha is poker?
Poker=luck? Not really. You can't get luck day after day, year after year.
stukkrapoel 2 years ago
harrinton is my hero
Dadge42 2 years ago
River was ugly for Dan. He hit his flush only to see that it made a boat for Dave.
EdDy4RheelZ 2 years ago
POKER = LUCK, that's why most os people play it, because you don't have to think at anything. play chess.
notengonickcojones 2 years ago
xD yes u r right. i am sure u just wait for an answer of an angry pokerplayer. but guy, i just laugh about u
lol love people like u
DotAxxftw 2 years ago
You really show your ignorance here. Yes, poker can SEEM about luck, to the unknowing. Study it, learn. It's MATH, and it's reading people, it's not luck.
TikkiTikki7 2 years ago 3
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i'm physicist don't try to show me anything about maths, stupid asshole.
notengonickcojones 2 years ago
Poker is a game of LUCK ie. Gambling if you look at it that way, but the reason people are considered GOOD at it is because they can read people and determine what they have by their behaviour. So technically its both Luck and Talent/Skill
QuickyMe69 2 years ago
i agree with u, but, how do you do that on the internet?
notengonickcojones 2 years ago
Poker is about math ... can't you see the percentages to the left?
1 of 20 will make money of poker or something.
In the long run a good player will make profit
And if by luck you mean winning with the worst hand, well, it happens. AA can loose to 72 off, but the percentages for 72 to win are 14,15%, meaning he would in theory win 14 out of 100 times.
Now come play with me fishy, I want your children. (Poker lingo) ^^
fd9w4dncm 2 years ago
I'm an engineer; so if you're a physicist try reading "Theory of Poker" or "No limit hold-em: theory and practice" by David Sklansky (He's a mathematician as well as a professional poker player) . It will show you by using simple mathematical concept that poker is a game of skills. Luck is important only in the single hand or game. But in the long run it has no value since everyone in his life will have good and bad hands, as well as lucky hand and unlucky hand...
mikailik1984 2 years ago 3
Only good players can make profit from it by using their skills and math evaluation! If it were only about luck that wouldn't explain why some poker players have become millionairs just playing poker!!!
mikailik1984 2 years ago
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engineer? poor people, american engineer=shit, everybody on the world knows how american universities are, u just pay for a career... this is sooo sad. maybe i didn't tell u... POKER = LUCK.
notengonickcojones 2 years ago
well, i'm not american anyway. I'm Italian and I studied in a public university... i didn't pay for career. You can believe whatever you want, I don't mean to convince you. Just I'm astonished how a physicist can' see that poker is just a game with imperfect information, and that a branch of math, "Game theory" studies this kind of situations to develop strategies and methods to make right decision!
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NBAdit 2 years ago
Its funny how some people are spot on when analysing this hand, and others are just way off the eight-ball. Quite amusing :) well done larry. The only hand that david can put dan on that beats his own hand is a Jack, but the quick all-in makes it obvious. The second jack was a good card funnily enough for david :) Dan didn't make sense. Thats when the bluff goes wrong(or semi-bluff lol).
windmd 2 years ago
dont try to analyze their play u just sound stupid.
mFJap 2 years ago
Dan is a beast. "Ah..look at that." lol.
purdue2009 2 years ago
David analyzed this well. If Dan has the J, then he knows that checking will induce a bet from David because David is aggressive. So there's no way Dan makes this play with a Jack.
larrymcg421 2 years ago
Next time I'm in a situation where I'm pretty sure my opponent has top pair or an overpair and I turn baby or middle trips, I'm gonna go all in instantly. Make it look like a bluff. POW
freedomcostsabuckO5 2 years ago
Lol stop trying toi act like u kno what u sya. Harrington checkraises the flop and u suggest that if he had AJ type of hand he would chech the turn? r u serius?
are u rllllly serius/????
The only thing that gave it off was the quick allin. At least think about it pretend u have AQ or whatever, but this way it was an easy read for a good draw/
Icanhaschizbergernao 2 years ago
Yes he checks the flop with a J because he knows David is aggressive and will bet if checked to, especially since he has a hand strong enough to call the check raise
larrymcg421 2 years ago
u have no clue idiot just dont post any comment morron
alifaraj90 2 years ago
i met david tonite at borgata...he gave me $100 as a tip...cool guy
prodigyinsured 2 years ago
I REALLY hate that hat.
beeryce88 3 years ago 2
lol i heard humberto in the background
krazyazn208 3 years ago
Damn, is that chip noise annoying.
electricturf 3 years ago
easy call, he wouldnt make that move with the J
nQsrDiego 3 years ago
around 1:45 dan says, "im here so" y did he say that. Maybe thats where he picked up a tell, David was paying for beer and heard him say something and instantly was back on dan
vladimir4200 2 years ago
easy call.. instant all in with j on the turn is a big tell, means I AM WEAK
smotpoker00 3 years ago
in your 0.05/0.1 its insta all in, in poker of pros its a fold...silly call with KQ off really...harrington is just so good!
vuttt 3 years ago
i think harrington played the hand perfectly not sure about davids call though. he asks dan if he has a jack so he has no clue what he has, not a good read just a questionable call.
goldinho50 3 years ago
Also every hand that he mentions Dan could possibly have(which are the only hands that make sense other than a total bluff), BEATS HIM.
Vectorscam 3 years ago
I would call the turn too, would Dan push all in with Jack? Probably not. So KQ was pretty good hand there to call with.
Not sure about the flop check-raise, that was good play and questionable call.
z32na 3 years ago
very nice call
sidsa9 3 years ago
David Williams is a retard
guggles12345 3 years ago
Thanks for these complements about myself (dan harrington) very nice to hear so. thanks!
danharrington789 3 years ago
lol
Vectorscam 3 years ago
great player Dan Harrington!
n3amtzu 3 years ago 2
great play by david.. you know im gonna fire! it dont make sense.. great call!
suneel7 3 years ago
The ol' squeeze play from Harrington. I like it.
smody121 3 years ago
i think david make a sick call dan could have aq or a j easily and in the best case he was in a draw he was only slight favorite overall a bad xcentage play but he won so he done well
ilgeniosakuragi 3 years ago
If he had AJ or AQ he would have raised preflop to chase the limpers out of the hand.
Only possible hands were 44, J4, Q4, JQ (not likely the way he plays the turn), draw
Faven67 3 years ago
I like Dan's raise on the flop but pushing the turn seems like a poor play, its exactly the type of play he advocates not making in his cash game books. Its pretty funny when you see someone write one thing and then do the complete opposite. I think hes a great player though, just not this hand.
ChronicBurnout3 3 years ago
If Dan would always play exactly the same as he wrote, it would be soo easy to play against him, everybody should just know those books. Doyle had to change his strategy after the Super System too.
Kecskeszar 3 years ago 3
i don't think he should of raised he should of known with davids bet he hit the queen and if he raised it ws gonna be called after it ws called he had to many chips in the pot making him pot committed and then he could of saw the turn cheaper and if it doesn't hit it drops him down to 30 percent chance of winning he should of check and folded. A little over aggresive on a draw.
fliptthescript 3 years ago
Dan's range of hands he wouldve played like this:
any small queen, Q4 and KhTh, J4/QJ/44.
David is a 76% favorite! (calculated with pokerstove)
He is an even bigger favorite as a full house is unlikely given the all in on the turn.
Thats why he called, not because he could put him on the King Ten of hearts...
A3nbcd 3 years ago
Good call by David Williams, I think that would've been a great place for Dan to trap David on the turn if he had the Jack, so because he shoved all-in it led Williams to believe that Dan did NOT have the Jack.
spacific81 3 years ago
For everyone singing Williams' praises for his call here, please remember he would also call if the flush was already out there and he was drawing almost dead. (Which is exactly what he did against Johnny Chan in this years National Heads Up Championship.) Williams is just a super loose, super aggressive player not unlike Gus Hansen. He looks like a genius when it works and looks like an idiot when it doesn't.
GaeasBlessing 3 years ago
david is just so sexyyyy
Chnihoula 3 years ago
He use to be a pornstar
GeneYuss3 3 years ago 3
haha, way to go david ;)
alzamli 3 years ago
Look at at all the experts who would have folded and wet their pants the minute harrington made the bet on the turn .lol.
xSkipperJx 3 years ago
After the flop Dan is 55% favourite to win the hand.
After the flop David becomes 68% favoutite.
julesdogg 3 years ago
mb after turn David becomes 68% favoutite? :D
jarejeremap 2 years ago
He actually had almost 20 outs.
MJOLNIRVII 4 years ago
lol are you dumb? He had 14 outs, 8cards to hit his open ended minus the 9h and the Ah with his flush draw, he has 6 cards to hit his straight and 9 cards to hit his flush=15 outs total. On the turn he has 14 outs minus the Qh.
Assassin546 4 years ago
Actually, you're wrong too. Jeff folded two hearts, so he had only 7 hearts to hit his flush, and 6 straight cards. 13 outs twice, but he loses one on the turn, so 12. I'm certain he thought he had 15 outs on the flop though.
This turn shove is dumb though. Dan Harrington would not c/r that flop, and then shove a Jack on the turn with 44/JQ/J4, he'd probably check because David would fire and he could check raise again, just like David said. Hence why David called the turn.
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goldsilverplatin 4 years ago
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Does Dan even know what's going on? lol
ligyro 4 years ago
Williams is an obnoxious idiot.
newhat07 4 years ago
This is not a bad call - you really think dan harrington is shoving for 14k on the turn into a 6k pot with a full house? his range here is weighed pretty heavily toward a combo draw and david was smart enough to figure that out and make a tough call.
sublime7887 4 years ago 3
I agree, the all move on the turn. looks like a draw( a big draw of course)
Assassin546 4 years ago
That's exactly why Williams called. The shove just screams "I GOT A DRAW LOL DONKAMENTS."
Like David said, if Dan had a big hand, he'd check raise David again, because he knows David is aggressive and will bet if checked to. Then he could CRAI. David is a brash, obnoxious twat, but he knows what he is doing.
SSky06 3 years ago
everything seems much more clear when we can see the hole.
coolcalmahn 3 years ago
That has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Dan is not check raising the flop there and then overbet shoving the turn with QJ/J4/Q4 and he would have raised preflop with AQ. It's not a value bet, it's a "please don't call me because I'm on a big draw and have fold equity, bet, but if you call I have a billion outs anyway."
SSky06 3 years ago
That's what I saw too. I might have slowed down after the board paired though. I think if Dan bet the flop here he would have just been called and seen the next 2 cards cheaply. When he went all-in on the turn David knew he was winning. My 2 cent.
martymars 3 years ago
As Dan said afterwards, he assumed David was drawing to the A-high flush. If he checked the turn he'd risk David taking a free card. Also, David might push or feel committed after he bet big and Dan CRAI. If David calls, then bfd. 15 outs.
I don't think Dan tried to represent a full house, but a strong top pair. There's no point in betting a big part of your stack on the turn on such a draw heavy board if you're not folding on the river no matter what. Shove is better and pretty standard imo.
JJJMMM1 3 years ago
...standard with KQ and such.
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mikalanz15 4 years ago
i fucking hate that bullshit... the guy has over 15 outs, and can't catch 1 of them on the turn or the river... and of course its the queen of hearts......... just wow..
asong1588 4 years ago
why is david williams considered a pro? he plays like a donk
kaungsel 4 years ago 5
i thought it was a bad call on the flop not so much on the turn. It was a really really good check raise by Harrington on the flop. Should of made David fold instead he calls like a donky. It turned out it was a good call since he won the hand. But i've seen David play and he just makes terrible calls sometimes.
Gforcebond 4 years ago 4
What a terrible call! Try calling Dan with top pair every time he moves in on a board like that. Williams is playing tournament poker...
ARNDTA 4 years ago
im not sure i agree there.
in a tournament, normally the pro's only want to get there money in with a big advantage. in a cash game, even a 51 to 49% advantage is enough.
this hand was pretty close odds wise right down to the river, and i think the call on the turn was definately a cash game call.
NoNickNamesLeftForMe 4 years ago