Man, why did the only space battle of this movie had to just be a dream!? They could have made some epic battles with these! Can you imagine the "Severed Dreams" fight with these graphics!?
What I find a little odd was that Galen told Sheridan that Vintari will try to destroy the only power that would stop him taking Centauri Republic to its former glory,... that being Earth! Galen also told Sheridan that Earth stopped Centauri in the past! It was the Alliance which did that, not Earth!
Granted, Earth was part of the Alliance and you could argue that their firepower was the greatest and that Sheridan is an earther! But where are the Rangers and where is the Alliance in 30 years?
@brav0wing Well like one of the characters in B5 said "Earthers create communities and help other species get along." Well with out Earth the Alliance would not have be around to stop the Centauri after the Shadow Wars. The other species would just keep fighting each other and not care about they're neighbors letting the Centauri expand they're empire beyond what it was before B5 took place. So get rid of Earth and show Earth was nothing others would not get in they're way.
you can see an omaga in there. how ever i want to see more battles with the warlock you know what be cool if they make another spin off but it follows Ivanova and her adventurer in a warlock :)
@gasdfw5 Once they start doing that someone at WB will think it will be a good idea to reshoot a few scenes with younger actors. Before you know it they will have turned B5 into SGU.
@Fbueller129 Don't even joke about B5 turning into Universe thanks to greed. This is what Universe wishes it could be. Great character development and interaction. Compelling storytelling. Real, hard science fiction and the use of real world scientific principles. The list goes on.
@FencingBoomerang Its not getting its ass kicked.. its only being fired upon .. the Omega will soon turn into the Primus and particle-beam the crap out of it :D
@Varrenify I've never said there wasn't more to space then battles. I'd be happier being first to throw myself into exploring the galaxy and seeing what it has to offer. But space battles are exciting, playing to that more base nature of flight or fight.
00:13 boom mother fucking headshot! The Centauri require 3 ship's to destoy one Warlock. One Warlock requires one hit to put a damper on those porcupines day!
@thatguywiththeegg thats cos' the centauri cruisers were meant to be fast to build, so the centauri fleet could outnumber their enemies, not just outgun them.
In times of power it'd be Minbari-centari-Earth alliance as the top 3.
The earth alliance warlock class which you see been destoryed here is almost on par with a Minbari war cruiser however they where extremely expensive to produce so not many where built.
@newhoped actualy during babylon 5 timeline earthalliance was alot stronger then the centauri. the minbari of course topped it still. but the omega design ad the numbers could definetly have screwed the centauri over
@DrMalHarkness True however Molari once said that the Centauri never messed with the Minbari, even at the height of their empire. The Warlock was designed to be able to go toe to toe with the most powerful Minbari ship. The Warlock Class also has Shadow technologies within them and was built by engineers that understood Minbari, Shadow and Vorlon technology. I think that it was a shame that this scene didn't feature any Victory class ships as well then we would know who would be the victor.
I just bought the entire B5 franchise on dvd and it will arrive soon, but please god tell me that there is an extended version of this theme somewhere.
@giantrobots1122 Those are not Vochans. They appear much larger and are a new class of ship that we never saw in the series. You can also tell by looking at the rear section of the ship, more enginges and different design. It appears the newest centauri ships are fighting the newest human ships.
@cavok84 Dunno if theres any relation, but the Babylon 5 Table Top game, 'Call to arms', has a bunch of new ships for each civ and one of them looks a lot similar to these not-vorchan ships.
Those are centauri ships. I have watched this movie and you could see atleast one of those ships in Babylon 5: In the beginning. When the Minbari and humans negotiate for peace on a remote planet they were attacked by a ship of the same class as these.
Actually these are new kind of Vorchan cruisers. Easiest way to detect this is to look at engines. On main series and "In the Beginning"-movie Vorchan-cruisers had two engines on " - " formation. Ships on this video have four engines on " + " formation. These ships are also larger than those Vorchans we did see earlier.
In the beginning: Watch the part where Vorchan-cruiser is jumping out after attack and compare it to 0:10 in this video
yes the warlock class has shadow teck armor. and a has pulse lasers and missiles and it main weapons are the particle cannons which are way more powerful then the lasers on a omega, they dont show in the clip but the ea also has some other shadow ships that have the slicer beams on them they just keeping them secret as to not piss off the interstellar alliance.
EA Omega Destroyer Has Less Weapons types then THE PRIMUS. The Primus has more Defense weapons then the Omega, EA Olympus Corvette is inferior in every way, and the Hyperion Heavy Cruiser is Also inferior... Now The Vorchan is faster then all those ships and has the same and it has the same amount of types of weapons as the EA OMEGA Destroyer. so far Centauri 2 ships have been superior to 3 Main EA ships. Sentri Fighter is superior then the EA fighter, its faster can fly anywhere and it has A.I
Centauri Republic is way more powerful then Earth... they are pretty much the second oldest group after Mimbari...The Narn suck and have nothing on the Centauri ships... The Centauri use more weapons and have more weapons then earth the ONLY PROBLEM IS the fact the Drake screwed them over... Their ships are faster then the Earth Destroyers and they offer a lot of PUNCH. Plus they have more weapons to choose from. It was them who Helped Earth use the Jump Gates
@vvpassat heck yea they can. Only Mimbar can fight Centauri Prime's FULL FORCE & make it worth while. Centauri ships are superior, they are faster, carry more types of weapons & cause more damage. Their weapons aren't humane compared to E.A & Mimbar. Their weapons are usually Exploding Bullets. Not to mention it took White Stars(Mimbari, & Vorlon tech) to push back Centauri ships when they were at war with pretty much everyone. Earth Force would fall if Centauri focused their eye on Them
earth alliance warlock destroyers are more powerful then those centauri cruiser and earth alliance has more ships then centauri republic and in this war earth alliance and ISA probably eliminate centauri republic
I agree. The warlocks are far more powerful then the centauri cruisers, although, I'm sure, in the film; the lost tales, galon mentions that a thousand centauri ships were involved in the attack. That maybe could explain how they over powered the earth flleet?
@Athalston even though Earth did not help the narns in their war with the centauri in 2259 i'm sure the Narns would have jumped at the chance to join Earth in fighting the centauri, as evident in season 5 of babylon 5 despite G'kar's teachings the Narns still want to teach the centauri a lesson even after bombing Centauri prime along with the Drazi. I'm a big fan of the Narns same as i am a big fan of the Jem'hadar from star trek deep space nine series.
@Athalston If u have watched Deep space nine then u notice how the Jem'hadar and the Narns seem to look like the warrior race although the Narns are simply technologically inferior to the centauri while the Jem'hadar are not technologically inferior to the Klingons or the Federation. What do u think?
one problem with lost tales bombardment of newyork is impossible one and earth fleet is always in orbit plus the g.o.d. global orbital defense satelites had wickedly scaryfirepower their heavy charged particle beam cannons could rip threw ships just like those warlocks did
@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA i was gonna say the centauri could of wiped out the defence grid and the earthforce ships protecting earth but surely the population would ve know of the impending doom unless the government kept quiet to avoid a panic not that it would ve done much good. If the centauri had attacked earth, humans-narns-drazi and maybe the brakiri would have gone for total war with the centauri.
@lamailegend Even Then Narns SUCK and DRAZI suck the only Race w/enough power to Fight Centauri and Win would prob be Mimbari and they suck cause they had full help from the Vorlons...Centauri and Narn are the 2 big races w/help from Vorlons or Shadows. Cause technically speaking The Shadows never shared technology w/Centauri all they did was blow up some NARN ships which Kartatio or w/e his name knew about their plan. But Earth would Lose against the FULL Force of Centauri
@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA Centauri Prime & Mimbar are the most powerful Races. If it wasn't for the Vorlons helping Earth by making super telepaths, & helping Mimbar with tech issues The #1 by a long shot would be Centauri Prime. The shadows never shared technology that could of been useful for C. Prime. C.Prime has faster ships with more weapons on board & their weapons are messy & evil. They are made to blow like exploding bullets once it hits the target which is bad.
@RigTig16 not when sorrounded by 3 centauri warships, besides centauri weapons r designed to explode on contact not slice, hence why they had an advantage over the narn's
if it's cannon what's your source? Of course militaries upgrade their equipment but only to a point. When it becomes too expensive to upgrade further or the limitations of what you want to upgrade prevent it, you build a new model. That's the point you seem to be unable to grasp.
systems, they are called refits, or overhauls, when ships, tanks go through overhaul. look at Leopard 2a4 and Leopard 2A6M. Or US Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers.
ISA and EA, the difference is the ISA is an organisation of which the EA is a member. The ISA operates it's own military force which is the Rangers or the Anla-shok. The Excalibur was loaned by the ISA to Earth Force as a research ship. That was explained in Call to Arms and Crusade.
actually its a canon thing, has been done and Warlocks use mix of Minbari Shadow and best of EA has to offer. As to striping warlocks of existing armour would be utterly stupid thing to do, and time consuming, you just add new armour on top of preexisting, and on new built warships you just start from scratch with new Minbari armour. As to military tech, not sure if you follow military technology much, but most armies nowadays, upgrade their tank fleets with add on armour and new weapon....
Just add new armour on top of old armour huh... you aware of the weight that would add to the ship and what the increase in mass would do to the ships ability to maneuver? Seems you don't follow military tech as all, some things can be upgraded, electronics, weapons even engines in some cases where space in the hull permits. Upgrading the armour on a tank doesn't happen it's cheaper to make a new tank than replace it's armour. same for a warship.
now you are talking nonsense, no point talking to you regarding this. You have internet, look it up, I even told you about Leopard 2A4 and Leopard 2A6M upgrade, if you can't Google that, what is the point talking to you. And no, precisely bc cost of developing and building new system is what has driven upgrade to many military systems, ffs even US Naval warships are going same upgrade due to the fact that building new warships is way to expensive, but than again what's the use. YF is Google...
Again your missing the point I'm making. I'm not saying militaries don't upgrade their tech. Re-read what I've posted. Before making a fool of yourself. I'll say it again for you. When it becomes too expensive to upgrade further or the limitations of what you want to upgrade prevent it, you build a new model.
The Design for the Warlocks was finished and production started. It's not practical to then go back and radically alter the design of the ship to incorporate such substantial new technologies that were designed to be used on the Victory class. Is that even allowed to be done? Victory class ships are for the ISA they are not Earth Force ships. The Warlocks on the other hand are. You are assuming to much I think.
If you know anything about current military and how upgrades work, you'd realize adopting changes isn't such big thing. And don't get upset or angry this is only a show, no need to go all emotional ;)
You have your view, I have mine.
Just to add, adding Victory type of armour is not that big deal, and ISA/EA what's the difference, Victory was built by EA, and commissioned by the Earth Force, served in Earth Force with Earth Force personal/crew. think...
Actually adopting changes can be expensive and time consuming, if you know anything about current military tech you'd know that upgrading something that might seem simple to the average person is in fact the opposite in practical terms. Sure replace the armour on that ship with the armour off the new one. The ship, a Warlock is 1km in length and you want to strip off the outer hull and put a new one on and remove the engines while your at it which are tied into the gravity system practical?
@Longs81 the fact remains that EA and ISA have a common enemy, the drakh and it is in their own interests to share weapons technology even if earth has shown it can be a difficult allie
Is any of this stuff your posting cannon or are you just making it up? If so what's your source? I worked in a bookshop a few years back and used to flick through some B5 reference books while bored and they contradicted a lot of what your posting. There was a lot of info about the Warlocks, too much to post but it went into detail about how a lot of influence for their design came from the allies of the Shadows.
some of it is canon, some are just conclusions...
You also forgot Victory class destroyers were built by EA, bc of Minbari technology transfer EA could aply many Minbari stuff on to Warlocks, like Victory armour, gravity drive, weapon systems and sensors...
Although main weapon on Warlock class as evident in this scene was developed with some help from shadow tech.
Where did I say otherwise about the Victory class? please don't put words into my mouth. Anyone that's watched Call to Arms or the series Crusade will learn plenty about the Victory class destroyers. The first Warlock was completed at the conclusion of series 4 2261 it's stated that Ivanova would command it. The two Victory prototypes launched in 2266. What your saying doesn't make sense.
Primus is more than enough for Omega he hawe more powerful weaponary and longer shooting range, but his armor is weaker than omegas. Main advantage centauri would hawe is greater numbers in ships over earth alliance
I still think, Primus and Vorchan class cruisers stand no chance against Omega Destroyer, let alone Warlock Heavy Cruiser, I think this was most likely a scene of an ambush, Warlocks are as powerful as Sharlin Cruisers, have similar if not more powerful weapons and use same armor as Sharlins, in short, Centari attacking Earth Alliance would be about the same as them attacking Minbari Federation, both wars would lead to total annihilation of Centari Republic.
Primus are quite strong.. renember that the Centauri were far more advanced than EA until EA got into the Interstellar Alliance and got more tech.. Primus is surelly faster and more agile than an Omega.. as for firepower dotn know..and armour, both Omega and Primus were seen destroyed by B5+Starfuries combined fire. Vorchans are probably weaker but quite more faster and agile.. (medium term with White Stars)
I think Primus was a powerful warship, but it went down quite fast when star furies attacked it, as to Omega, well no, It took Babylon 5, star furies and other Omega to take it down... Heavily armored and armed warship... But I think this scene was made for the effect, really, Centaury stand little chance against the EA or Minbari...
And this battle is set many years in the future, and the Centurai have their own fighters for cover. Your looking at a re-tooled and upgraded Centauri fleet that would win by weight of numbers alone.
But even though a Warlock was designed to go toe-to-toe with a Sharlin, it doesn't mean it could. The Minbari still had the edge in beam technology, cloaking and manoeuvrability. Even the Centauri at the height of their empire knew better then to rattle the them.
@simgadraco2005 Minbari is the Only race that stands a chance against Centauri, EA sucks, their ships sucks, the only way E.A will have a fighting chance is if they Loan them a lot of white stars and Class ship destroyer like Excalibur. Centauri is older and much more advanced then EA, they have more weapon selections on their ships, their weapons cause more damage and their ships are faster and more agile. I am guessing 10 years later their ships will have major upgrades and prob new Fighters.
@vigorosoPIMPJr I agree EA fought a protracted War of attrition against the Minbari Federation and the Minbari still nearly won....It was fight run fight run fight run....Just because you kicked the Ghengis Kahn of spaces ass i.e the Dilgar dont mean everyones going to roll over and take it.....
@Hauntedman1 I agree... And its funny people Forget That Centauri Isn't afraid of Earth...You remember the episode when Cpt. Sheridan told Londo after the Ships attacked Narn if Earth can send people over and he said REQUEST DENIED!!!!and Earth didnt help Narn they allied themselves to C.Prime. Centauri ships are awesome especially the Newer Ones. They are so fast and agile...its like having Lots of white Stars but for really cheap. It gets the Job Done and wins wars jeje
@Simgradraco2005 The EA learnt this the hard way against the Minbari The EA loan scimp and back engineer everything they have the Excaliber stolen and then leased from the ISA is one example secondly the joint EA/ISA Warlock project to bring them up to speed with everyone else.
@sparrowlt I agree Centauri ships almost wiped out all the races in the Alliance until Sheradin Stepped in with starfiuris & funny part was C.P ships were reckless they were on Auto Pilot.Even though EA got tech when they joined ISA, C.P has the malice(meaning their weapons & strategies are plain EVIL) & they have more experience when it comes to war.Their ships offer so much more weapon choices, more damage and they are agile & fast which is awesome So I totally agree Centauri is better =)
Warlocks don't have the same armour as the Sharlins, where did you read that? The Warlocks began constuction during the Clark administration with the help of the allies of the Shadows. They were not ready in time so their advanced organic armour was fitted to the Omegas creating the OmegaX adv destroyer. As for how powerful they are vs Sharlin its unknown its never been stated in canon but the Sharlin has been stated as the most powerful warship of the younger races countless times.
They have similar armour, Identical to that of Victory class, although Warlocks were designed in the last year of Clark's Administration, due to Minbari assistance (ISA trade deal and Victory Class Destroyer) Warlocks got some major upgrades. And if you look at the ship, you'll see its bristling with weapon ports, missile racks...
As I said before, only way for Century to take Warlock down IMHO is only through ambush and shear number.
also wanted to add, by the time (cc 2302) Earth Alliance has grown in a major super power, but still lacked numbers, although almost largest of the younger races (colonies and territory wise) EA fleet by 2300s was still short of large capitol warships. I estimate EA by this time had barely 100 Warlocks and 1200 other smaller warships. Century had at least 4 times that many + only a third of territory to cover/protect. So yeah, Century even in this scenario were more powerful than EA.
Yet still, Century would be ill advised to attack EA, first off, EA industrial capacity, manpower, shear size and weapons technology, it would certainly mean end to the Century if they opposed EA, Century would have scored some early victories but in a long run, century would end up on a loosing side. Its same when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, we all know how it all ended :)
By 2300s of all younger races only Minbary stood head and shoulders above all others.
@simgadraco2005 Cantauri Ships aren't made to Fight hours on One spot, They are smart They Have faster and more agile ships with Battle Ships Destroyer weapons!!!! That's why White Stars Did so well in Fights... Centauri Prime is much more superior then Earth. They have more experience and they aren't about Look at my toys they are about actually showing power. E.A has never won a war except shitty Dilgar. and even when Centauri was destroying everyone Earth Chickened out and allied w/them.
just watched the lost tails again, this battle scene is awesome, although, I think 3 earth sips against dozen Centari was clearly to illustrate size of Centari fleet by what 2300... I although I was bit surprised to see Warlock going down so quickly, perhaps we saw what was the end of that battle, and one Warlock goes down, and 2nd takes 3 Vorcha class cruisers, that took out first Warlock, in the distance you can Omega being fired on by a Primus battlecruiser.
Well if you see it there's three Vorcha cruisers against a singlr Warlock, and no matter how advanced the Warlock is the weight of numbers is going to tell. Although having said that the fact the other Warlock managed to tear the main Vorchar apart with a single volley shows just how scary the Warlocks are in combat. The other thing I love is that for the first time you see EF ships using their missiles.
Oh why can't we have such epic battles again? No one has managed it since...
Keep in mind that Centauri can use Drakh technology in this upgraded Vorchans, and they hawe regardless they were not in their prime during b5 still more planets and teritory than EA. And we dont know what is political situation during this Centauri attack.
I actually have a problem with this "Lost Tale" plot since it require the Centauri to be able to defeat Earth at that point in time...
While the Centauri were more advance in the past... Earth is quite skill at vindictively screwing other races to get ahead... the more likelihood is that they would fought each other to a standstill with on-going war for generations... highly unlikely they can orbital bombard New York as Galen show Sheridan...
Ever heard of Pearl Harbor? The Centauri use that ship type in great numbers to overwhelm even individually stronger opponents. While Warlocks definetly pack more punch as you could see, they still are very few and can fairly easily be overwhelmed with a sneak attack to catch them in smaller numbers and off guard. And we know the Centauri have no problems launching sneak attacks. :)
Ah... but that's kind of the point... It not so much that I disagree that this could happen...
Call to arms & this make it seem like it would be easy to sneak an attack into earth but that is not the case with the Earth-Minabri War & Civil war... specially the number of ship Clark have during civil war... a fleet of Omega X & about 30 Omega orbit in Mars & those are after his force has been taken out in other battles... so highly doubt there "few" Warlock class at the time...
Not to mention Earth is "Homeworld"... even compare WW2 standard... its hard to believe an invading fleet can fully reach DC for a sneak with the US totally unprepared.
We know that in both Crusaders script & "Deconstruction" Earth try to do things that put them ahead of others... I comment not because i think positively of humans capability but rather I consider humans to be a much more insidious force that is not easy to contain, human usually wear a smile before stabbing you from behind.
In both Call to arms and this the enemy snuck past everything and struck Earth itself. You can't really even start to compare this with a WW2 era sneak attack, since in the case of Washington DC, one would have to go past the whole US atlantic navy and eastern air forces to strike DC. In B5 universe there is this thing called hyperspace.
Also, in the case of the civil war/Minbari war, in both cases the invading forces systematically took out the fighting capabilities of the enemy, not by sneak.
Well, I bet the folks in New York, Pearl Harbor and Washington would differ with that particular assessment. The United States is particularly GOOD at getting attacked by surprise. Every 40 or 50 years someone comes along and essentially gets away with murder in spectacular fashion at our expense because our politicians don't take stuff seriously until there's a "crisis".
hey if you ever read any of the b 5 rpgs the centuari at their height where monsters man-even the mindari wouldn't touch those guys with a ten foot pole (kinda contradicts the main series tho)
and vir supposedly totally rebuilt the republic and restored it to its former glory so they could of been out numbered and out gunned..
not that earth wouldn't make 'em bleed for the win
no no... i didn't mean Centauri not powerful enough... I mean human are also quite expansionist & paranoid (aggressive antagonist type)... enough that they are not those that just let any sneak attack happen... human are more likely to be the ones doing the sneaking... and a force like that are also always on the watch...
I always think human should be more of a villainous race (we are not very good people)... lol
The story arch of "Lost Tales was a little soft" still nice to see B5 again!
This space battle is revolutionary. Off the axis camera angles, great textures and forget the Warlocks, Starfuries!!!! workhorse of the human effort in space!
did by any chance you've seen the "The Legend of the Rangers"?
great animations but they fuck it up with the lady controlling the weapons. UGLY!!!
thanks for this post. I was looking for this in good quality. thanks,
i just read about the Warlock-class its got no shadow teck on it its got Minbari
gravity teck but im not sure about its weipons but its also got its armour upgrade but thats mente to be from what i read heavy armour plating not alien of any other teck and its got missle and heavy pulse and a more two-six more powerful Particle-Lasers which are yellow not red so i ges thats enhanced or reimaged but its just a heavly armed omega but with enhanced gravity and is larger weopon capsity
there is one story about Ivanovova getting her own Warlock class vessel... she senses the shadow tech aboard(i think it was the shadow egg which was controling centaury ships in the series...), so she takes this warlock to B5 and Sheridan/Lochley(or whoever who was running the place at that time) sends the vorlon ship aboard... the vorlon ship... i assume telepathicaly fought with the shadow part of Warlock... and won... (they got the vorlon ship after the fight of kosh and ulkesh... :))
The Warlock class destroyers are the first EA warships to use artificial gravity given by the Minbari to the EA when the ISA was formed. I donno why they still use old type engines though as it was mentioned in some episode, that the artificial gravity was the by-product of the Minbaris' gravitational engines.
The main point is, that with artificial gravity the ships have no need for large rotating sections that make the ships slow and clumsy.
You're both right. The Warlocks were originally meant to have the shadow bio armor, but weren't ready in time to counter Sheridan so they made the Omega X variations at the last moment.
Afterward the Warlocks were deployed, without Shadow armor.
Also worth mentioning is why almost every ship EA builds is a "destroyer." The Warlock, Omega, & Victory...all dubbed 'Destroyer." the only 2 that differ are the crappy Hyperion heavy cruiser and the Nova Dreadnought. I think the Warlock would fill a better role as "Carrier" with the ability to hold 42(!) starfuries and a battalion of Marines. The Victory-class should be a battleship for crying out loud! At least the Centauri updated their Vorchans. I like the wings deployed open like claws!
Agreed, it would have been refreshing to see through the series more ships referred to by other classifications and configurations than 'destroyers' but since the series was set just 10 years after the Earth-Minbari war and Earth was still reeling from near annihilation, I suppose the EA didn't want any other Races finishing what the Minbari started
centauri weponary acts like bullets rather than lasers, instead of "burning or cutting" through a ship's armor its pentetrates the armor and detonates much like a round except than its a focus energy shot rather than a metal round, Dr franklin stated this when ships of the alliance were being attacked and the evidence proved to be centauri ( they were really sent by the drakh)
I took notice the Warlock was breaking up prior to the first shots even hitting it, so no doubt the ship has been in combat for some time before it broke apart.
The Warlocks are indeed a powerful class of warship said to match Minbari ships. I'm a little surprised one blew up like that but it was being pounded by a number of ships so who knows.
They weren't made to go up against other ships. The Warlock-class was made to move in and secure PLANETS, like the old Nova-Class Dreadnoughts. They aren't made to engage ship-to-ship, but they have some solid armaments like the forward beam cannons. Read the wikipedia page for more info.
Whitestars are a tech in the hands of the Minbari, so why don't the minbari update the Sharlin? In the face of Earth closing the gap, this don't make sense. Or are the Minbari vested in the IA completely?
Perhaps the Minbari don't see the need to upgrade or change much of their ways as fast as some of the other races? Notice how they also used the same class of ships and same technology from the Shadow War of 1,000 years ago?
There could be something in the whole "patience is a virtue" thing
The Sharlin IS an update. If you saw "War without End," you can see the old design, and they still carry the most powerful Neutron cannons around until the Victory-class came about. They don't need to advance much beyond that. The only races that pose a threat to them are the Shadows and Vorlons, both are gone.
I ve seen "war withithout end", an in some ways I agree with you, throught history, all battles, small and large are the produce of olitica within a cetain givenernem and the Narn -Centuair war is a prime example oftha Homeworld.
But you forgot ne kep in the comment, and tyat is that by the middle of seasn4, the EA had found a way to use Shadow techikigy on thirn shows
First off, I didn't realize how badass the Warlock class was until this clip (In the series, B5 and Crusade, it just flys around)!
Second, If this is ten years after the series ends, wouldn't the Starfury have been replaced by the Thunderbolt? Then again, I can understand being that the EA probably made so many of them that there was no point to get rid of all of the Starfury's. Besides, it's good for just a space battle, while the Thunderbolt can do space and planet attacks.
There could be a few reasons, one of which you pointed out, but also because there would be some missions in which you wouldn't need all of the systems stored onboard a Thunderbolt, and if you're not planning on flying into a planet's atmoosphere, wouldn't you simply just climb aboard a Starfury?
Budget cuts, as often mention in the B5 politics could be yet another factor.
@Tassadarky Its actually 30 years after end of S5.. but the Starfury is a quite much older design than it looks and its constantly upgraded.. the Thunderbolt is a 2 seater fighter bomber capable of operating in atmosphere.. its faster and carries a lot more of firepower.. but the Aurora (the standard StarFury) is said to be more agile and more adept for space superiority.. so they probably still use it..
The real reason is probably that they only did the Starfury 3D updated model .
Forget the pathetic Centauri: if the Shadow came back to attack Earth 30 years from now, Earth can go toe-to-toe with them. Victory class > Shadow warship. Shadow warship >=Warlock class...Earth also has Omega class with Shadow armor. Earth warships would outnumber Shadow warships. Earth would win over the Shadow in a straight out war. What real threat? Remember those aliens the Vorlons had trouble with from another universe?
Victory class has Vorlon weapons, and before the series Crusade ended, Vorlon armor. Which means everybody besides are the Vorlons are screwed. The Humans are far more numerous than the Shadow, and have far greater ships. With Vorlon tech = human victory. Real world example: 100 soliders now with latest weapons vs. 10,000 Romans 'soliders' with weapons of today. Who would win? Exactly.
@EVariation They had a cheap replica of both Vorlon and Shadow Tech.... It took the Vorlons and Mimbari and other races to unite to FIGHT OFF The SHADOWS. I highly doubt 100 Victory Class ships would do anything. The ship is slow by the time it powers up and shoots the shadow ship will be out of its way and of course by the time they regain POWER after the SUPER SHOT The Shadow ship would have easily wiped out the Victory class ship. Only the Vorlons & The other Ancients can fight & maybe win
look the shadows lost heirs main base lost their fleet(most of them) and lost everything.They cant make new ships.
Earth has million allies minbari...ceantauri...so EA can win the war.
Oh AND dont underestmate the power of the centauri.primus calss is 200 years old.So humanity is only their where the centauri is 200 before the time of bab5.
@gun844 True I agree about Centauri Prime but the Shadows are still way over EA and ISA... Unless the Ancients including the Vorlons get involved no one will have a chance. They Come and GO in thin air no need for gates... They use nano tech so they can prob get make ships where ever they can land, & The shadows has never LOST a clean fight...First war they had Someone from the FUTURE babylon 4, Every Ancient Race and of course Mimbari... that's insane power if u need every ancient/young & race.
Minbari Sharlin >= Warlock I think. Battlecrabs are still more powerful, I mean Warlocks don't have bio hull, OR the energy refracting armor of the Victory Class, so Shadow beams can slice them in two. Maybe that dual beam cannon thingy shown here can nail a Battlecrab but its still faster. And don't forget other advantages. Hyperspace phasing, jump point disruptor, advanced regeneration capabilities, and possibly telepathic attacks (what about that screech thing).
Although I don't know, I did not see Crusade with the exeption of 2 episodes, I am not aware of Victory Class getting bio-armor, could sb state an episode title? But still that one is really tough, armed with the weapons of a Vorlon Star Dreadnought, don't forget that it is NOT Earth Alliance property, but ISA. There is difference, as it's just as Minbari as human. About the Centauri, yeah they are not much of a treat, despite Galen claiming "destruction never seen before". (Shadow Cloud?)
Victory class was also given the latest Minbari armor (the thickness of the armor plating was twice as much as other warship on top that), 80% damage absorption. They were supposed to be equipped with Vorlon armor on top of the Minbari armor. But the show ended before it could be implimented. However the Minbari armor was incredible. Victory class > Shadow mothership. Earth would have way more ships, and better ships even without Victory class.
I interpreted one of your sentences as Excalibur got bio-hull in crusade, but maybe I was wrong. About the Warlock, I must admit, I have never seen them in live action (exept this)and I know it uses Shadow tech, just it does not seem to have a bio-armor. Another thing I noticed is that these are probably updated Vorchans, as they seem almost as large as a Warlock, while norm Vorchans are small. No matter, Centauri still don't stand a chance, I think.
The victory class battle ships are not more powerful thenn the shadow ships. everyone knows that. Anything that the 1st ones make can't be matched for at least a 500,000 years.... remember it only takes 1 animal and 1 pilot to control the shadow ships, and these shadow ships are not there top of the line "shadow ships" there only design to fight the younger races.
Well that, and the fact that over half of the Shadow fleet has been in relative 'dry-dock' (buried, hidden in hyperspace, beyond the Rim etc) for the last 1,000.
And it wouldn't take 500,000 years to match their technology. The Earth Alliance seemed pretty good at REVERSE ENGINEERING a few Shadow ships.
Why build your own when you can steal someone else's technology?
Man, why did the only space battle of this movie had to just be a dream!? They could have made some epic battles with these! Can you imagine the "Severed Dreams" fight with these graphics!?
starflame34 1 week ago
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DEREK! Babylon 5's a big pile of shit!!
g2g4m10 4 months ago
@g2g4m10 Your opinion might of counted if it had been grammatically correct.
ScreamingTc 3 months ago
@ScreamingTc It's a joke from a comedy show called Space... and I did not even made a mistake XD
g2g4m10 3 months ago
k what would happen if chuck norris was in a warlock in that fight.
Niytiy 4 months ago
Great visuals,awful sound, you should have kept the original sound effects :(
spacebattletown 6 months ago
Narn regime all the way. Cool looking powerful ships.
giantrobots1122 7 months ago
@rehtep69 its the theme song for most of the seasons of B5 you can find it all over youtube if you search the intros of the seasons
Panos5595AEK 7 months ago
wow
robloxric104 8 months ago
@redemptionsdoom yes, it definitely looks like it
broadsword303 9 months ago
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At 0:18, is that one of the older-style Centauri ships in the lower left firing on the Omega?
Yeah its Primus
michwis 9 months ago
What I find a little odd was that Galen told Sheridan that Vintari will try to destroy the only power that would stop him taking Centauri Republic to its former glory,... that being Earth! Galen also told Sheridan that Earth stopped Centauri in the past! It was the Alliance which did that, not Earth!
Granted, Earth was part of the Alliance and you could argue that their firepower was the greatest and that Sheridan is an earther! But where are the Rangers and where is the Alliance in 30 years?
brav0wing 10 months ago
@brav0wing Well like one of the characters in B5 said "Earthers create communities and help other species get along." Well with out Earth the Alliance would not have be around to stop the Centauri after the Shadow Wars. The other species would just keep fighting each other and not care about they're neighbors letting the Centauri expand they're empire beyond what it was before B5 took place. So get rid of Earth and show Earth was nothing others would not get in they're way.
xXCANINEXx 8 months ago
you can see an omaga in there. how ever i want to see more battles with the warlock you know what be cool if they make another spin off but it follows Ivanova and her adventurer in a warlock :)
babylon5lord 10 months ago 3
@babylon5lord good eye. I didn't actually notice that omega until you pointed it out
babylon218 8 months ago
@babylon5lord And the one fighting the Omega was a Heavy Battle Cruiser.
xXCANINEXx 8 months ago
These Centauri fighters always remind me of Goa'uld Death Gliders.
Morukan1 10 months ago
whenever i saw auroras they are getting their as..es kicked
doorcf 10 months ago
what is the song
Eaglestorm27 11 months ago
@Eaglestorm27 The song is a segment of the Main Title of B5.
JoeHooker11 11 months ago
@gasdfw5 Once they start doing that someone at WB will think it will be a good idea to reshoot a few scenes with younger actors. Before you know it they will have turned B5 into SGU.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
@Fbueller129 Don't even joke about B5 turning into Universe thanks to greed. This is what Universe wishes it could be. Great character development and interaction. Compelling storytelling. Real, hard science fiction and the use of real world scientific principles. The list goes on.
thatguywiththeegg 1 year ago 6
@Fbueller129 And should that ever happen, I will personally go on a shooting spree at the WB home offices.
Varrenify 11 months ago
wow the cgi is so good. too bad
HawkXe 1 year ago
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Athalston 1 year ago
Acctually strange you only see auroa's in this movie and no thunderbolts. While thunderbolts are the more advanced versions.
ah well, it still was a great movie + scene :p.
Soldierlozer 1 year ago
Its funny how nobody cares about the poor little Omega destroyer getting it's butt kicked in the background.
FencingBoomerang 1 year ago 2
@FencingBoomerang Its not getting its ass kicked.. its only being fired upon .. the Omega will soon turn into the Primus and particle-beam the crap out of it :D
sparrowlt 1 year ago
@FencingBoomerang
....I care.... :'(
I love the omega destroyer design - it's slow, cumbersome and totally brutal. Not many people seem to share my love for them though.
ScreamingTc 1 year ago 5
@ScreamingTc Given a choice, I'd want nothing more than a commercial star-liner, say, the 'Azimov'. There's more to space than just battles.
Varrenify 11 months ago
@Varrenify I've never said there wasn't more to space then battles. I'd be happier being first to throw myself into exploring the galaxy and seeing what it has to offer. But space battles are exciting, playing to that more base nature of flight or fight.
ScreamingTc 11 months ago
Really hope JMS does another B5 before he dies.
wolgreth 1 year ago 9
00:13 boom mother fucking headshot! The Centauri require 3 ship's to destoy one Warlock. One Warlock requires one hit to put a damper on those porcupines day!
thatguywiththeegg 1 year ago 51
@thatguywiththeegg thats cos' the centauri cruisers were meant to be fast to build, so the centauri fleet could outnumber their enemies, not just outgun them.
babylon218 10 months ago
@thatguywiththeegg The Centari ships were the light cruisers.. not their heavy battle cruisers.. still... powerful ship in the warlocks.
XJadynX 9 months ago
@XJadynX in terms of warships besides the shadows and vorlons.. where in order Minbari/centari/narn top 3
lopido 8 months ago
@lopido Narn ships aren't that brilliant.
In times of power it'd be Minbari-centari-Earth alliance as the top 3.
The earth alliance warlock class which you see been destoryed here is almost on par with a Minbari war cruiser however they where extremely expensive to produce so not many where built.
newhoped 7 months ago
@newhoped i meant in coolness, not as in powerfull
lopido 7 months ago
@newhoped actualy during babylon 5 timeline earthalliance was alot stronger then the centauri. the minbari of course topped it still. but the omega design ad the numbers could definetly have screwed the centauri over
chockn 5 months ago
@chockn No the centauri where still alot stronger than the earth alliance there military strength is second only to the Minbari.
newhoped 5 months ago
@thatguywiththeegg Yes, but the porcupines greatly outnumber the Warlocks. I'd still put my money on humans.
DrMalHarkness 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness True however Molari once said that the Centauri never messed with the Minbari, even at the height of their empire. The Warlock was designed to be able to go toe to toe with the most powerful Minbari ship. The Warlock Class also has Shadow technologies within them and was built by engineers that understood Minbari, Shadow and Vorlon technology. I think that it was a shame that this scene didn't feature any Victory class ships as well then we would know who would be the victor.
thatguywiththeegg 6 months ago 3
@thatguywiththeegg the victory class ships are trash. the entire crusade spinoff should never have been made...
(my opinion - dont take it personal)
chockn 5 months ago
@chockn Do you mean that you just dont like Crusade or that the actual ships were crap?
thatguywiththeegg 5 months ago
I just bought the entire B5 franchise on dvd and it will arrive soon, but please god tell me that there is an extended version of this theme somewhere.
rehtep69 1 year ago 43
@rehtep69 Hah, this is just the opening theme to... season four if I remember correctly. It also comes in various variants throughout the show.
Aendiine 1 year ago 2
@rehtep69 afraid not....that's it........a very short battle......
ColonelFleet 10 months ago
@rehtep69 This is one of the season title themes. Season 4 as I recall. It's awesome, especially with the visuals.
JakeConhale 8 months ago
@rehtep69 Sorry but I have not found one. I was hoping that the battle was longer and they took out want they could not fit in the time aloud.
xXCANINEXx 8 months ago
@rehtep69 It's the season 4 opening theme I believe.
Helge129 7 months ago
@rehtep69
its a one of thoghs you do this or this will happen kinda thing
Niytiy 6 months ago
Wait what? Did a Vorchan just deal severe damage to a Warlock?
giantrobots1122 1 year ago
@giantrobots1122 A squadron of them did indeed take out a Warlock. Weight of numbers can beat superior technology.
ScreamingTc 1 year ago
@giantrobots1122 Those are not Vochans. They appear much larger and are a new class of ship that we never saw in the series. You can also tell by looking at the rear section of the ship, more enginges and different design. It appears the newest centauri ships are fighting the newest human ships.
cavok84 1 year ago
@cavok84 Dunno if theres any relation, but the Babylon 5 Table Top game, 'Call to arms', has a bunch of new ships for each civ and one of them looks a lot similar to these not-vorchan ships.
giantrobots1122 1 year ago
@giantrobots1122
Those are centauri ships. I have watched this movie and you could see atleast one of those ships in Babylon 5: In the beginning. When the Minbari and humans negotiate for peace on a remote planet they were attacked by a ship of the same class as these.
TheDeludedFactor 1 year ago
@TheDeludedFactor
Actually these are new kind of Vorchan cruisers. Easiest way to detect this is to look at engines. On main series and "In the Beginning"-movie Vorchan-cruisers had two engines on " - " formation. Ships on this video have four engines on " + " formation. These ships are also larger than those Vorchans we did see earlier.
In the beginning: Watch the part where Vorchan-cruiser is jumping out after attack and compare it to 0:10 in this video
kimnice 11 months ago
It's a shame that there are no victory based carrier group's. I like the Centauri but Humanity FTW.
rehtep69 1 year ago 3
yes the warlock class has shadow teck armor. and a has pulse lasers and missiles and it main weapons are the particle cannons which are way more powerful then the lasers on a omega, they dont show in the clip but the ea also has some other shadow ships that have the slicer beams on them they just keeping them secret as to not piss off the interstellar alliance.
Fjsouth 1 year ago
0;18 what the hell is that ship in the right side ?
xsf908 1 year ago
i drool when i see this clip.
jutau 1 year ago
Centauri PRIME RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
EA Omega Destroyer Has Less Weapons types then THE PRIMUS. The Primus has more Defense weapons then the Omega, EA Olympus Corvette is inferior in every way, and the Hyperion Heavy Cruiser is Also inferior... Now The Vorchan is faster then all those ships and has the same and it has the same amount of types of weapons as the EA OMEGA Destroyer. so far Centauri 2 ships have been superior to 3 Main EA ships. Sentri Fighter is superior then the EA fighter, its faster can fly anywhere and it has A.I
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
Centauri Republic is way more powerful then Earth... they are pretty much the second oldest group after Mimbari...The Narn suck and have nothing on the Centauri ships... The Centauri use more weapons and have more weapons then earth the ONLY PROBLEM IS the fact the Drake screwed them over... Their ships are faster then the Earth Destroyers and they offer a lot of PUNCH. Plus they have more weapons to choose from. It was them who Helped Earth use the Jump Gates
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
centauri rebublic is weak and patfetic
i dont think they had fire power take out earth alliace
vvpassat 1 year ago
@vvpassat heck yea they can. Only Mimbar can fight Centauri Prime's FULL FORCE & make it worth while. Centauri ships are superior, they are faster, carry more types of weapons & cause more damage. Their weapons aren't humane compared to E.A & Mimbar. Their weapons are usually Exploding Bullets. Not to mention it took White Stars(Mimbari, & Vorlon tech) to push back Centauri ships when they were at war with pretty much everyone. Earth Force would fall if Centauri focused their eye on Them
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
earth alliance warlock destroyers are more powerful then those centauri cruiser and earth alliance has more ships then centauri republic and in this war earth alliance and ISA probably eliminate centauri republic
soviet1970 2 years ago 3
I agree. The warlocks are far more powerful then the centauri cruisers, although, I'm sure, in the film; the lost tales, galon mentions that a thousand centauri ships were involved in the attack. That maybe could explain how they over powered the earth flleet?
Athalston 1 year ago
@Athalston even though Earth did not help the narns in their war with the centauri in 2259 i'm sure the Narns would have jumped at the chance to join Earth in fighting the centauri, as evident in season 5 of babylon 5 despite G'kar's teachings the Narns still want to teach the centauri a lesson even after bombing Centauri prime along with the Drazi. I'm a big fan of the Narns same as i am a big fan of the Jem'hadar from star trek deep space nine series.
lamailegend 1 year ago
@Athalston If u have watched Deep space nine then u notice how the Jem'hadar and the Narns seem to look like the warrior race although the Narns are simply technologically inferior to the centauri while the Jem'hadar are not technologically inferior to the Klingons or the Federation. What do u think?
lamailegend 1 year ago
one problem with lost tales bombardment of newyork is impossible one and earth fleet is always in orbit plus the g.o.d. global orbital defense satelites had wickedly scaryfirepower their heavy charged particle beam cannons could rip threw ships just like those warlocks did
TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA 2 years ago
@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA i was gonna say the centauri could of wiped out the defence grid and the earthforce ships protecting earth but surely the population would ve know of the impending doom unless the government kept quiet to avoid a panic not that it would ve done much good. If the centauri had attacked earth, humans-narns-drazi and maybe the brakiri would have gone for total war with the centauri.
lamailegend 2 years ago
@lamailegend Even Then Narns SUCK and DRAZI suck the only Race w/enough power to Fight Centauri and Win would prob be Mimbari and they suck cause they had full help from the Vorlons...Centauri and Narn are the 2 big races w/help from Vorlons or Shadows. Cause technically speaking The Shadows never shared technology w/Centauri all they did was blow up some NARN ships which Kartatio or w/e his name knew about their plan. But Earth would Lose against the FULL Force of Centauri
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA Centauri Prime & Mimbar are the most powerful Races. If it wasn't for the Vorlons helping Earth by making super telepaths, & helping Mimbar with tech issues The #1 by a long shot would be Centauri Prime. The shadows never shared technology that could of been useful for C. Prime. C.Prime has faster ships with more weapons on board & their weapons are messy & evil. They are made to blow like exploding bullets once it hits the target which is bad.
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
the new design looks good
petrus4321 2 years ago
Gee, I would have thought a Warlock Class destroyer would have fared much better against the Centauri warships.
RigTig16 2 years ago
@RigTig16 the centauri don't look the most threatening race much like the romulans yet heir technology is formiddable
lamailegend 2 years ago
Your quite right on that. It would be interesting to see them go up against the Minbari.
RigTig16 2 years ago
@RigTig16 not when sorrounded by 3 centauri warships, besides centauri weapons r designed to explode on contact not slice, hence why they had an advantage over the narn's
lamailegend 2 years ago
Hey that's not fair, they're having to fight 3 at once!
CAPCBMERRITT 2 years ago
if it's cannon what's your source? Of course militaries upgrade their equipment but only to a point. When it becomes too expensive to upgrade further or the limitations of what you want to upgrade prevent it, you build a new model. That's the point you seem to be unable to grasp.
Longs81 2 years ago
contd...
systems, they are called refits, or overhauls, when ships, tanks go through overhaul. look at Leopard 2a4 and Leopard 2A6M. Or US Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
ISA and EA, the difference is the ISA is an organisation of which the EA is a member. The ISA operates it's own military force which is the Rangers or the Anla-shok. The Excalibur was loaned by the ISA to Earth Force as a research ship. That was explained in Call to Arms and Crusade.
Longs81 2 years ago
actually its a canon thing, has been done and Warlocks use mix of Minbari Shadow and best of EA has to offer. As to striping warlocks of existing armour would be utterly stupid thing to do, and time consuming, you just add new armour on top of preexisting, and on new built warships you just start from scratch with new Minbari armour. As to military tech, not sure if you follow military technology much, but most armies nowadays, upgrade their tank fleets with add on armour and new weapon....
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
Just add new armour on top of old armour huh... you aware of the weight that would add to the ship and what the increase in mass would do to the ships ability to maneuver? Seems you don't follow military tech as all, some things can be upgraded, electronics, weapons even engines in some cases where space in the hull permits. Upgrading the armour on a tank doesn't happen it's cheaper to make a new tank than replace it's armour. same for a warship.
Longs81 2 years ago
now you are talking nonsense, no point talking to you regarding this. You have internet, look it up, I even told you about Leopard 2A4 and Leopard 2A6M upgrade, if you can't Google that, what is the point talking to you. And no, precisely bc cost of developing and building new system is what has driven upgrade to many military systems, ffs even US Naval warships are going same upgrade due to the fact that building new warships is way to expensive, but than again what's the use. YF is Google...
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
Again your missing the point I'm making. I'm not saying militaries don't upgrade their tech. Re-read what I've posted. Before making a fool of yourself. I'll say it again for you. When it becomes too expensive to upgrade further or the limitations of what you want to upgrade prevent it, you build a new model.
Longs81 2 years ago
The Design for the Warlocks was finished and production started. It's not practical to then go back and radically alter the design of the ship to incorporate such substantial new technologies that were designed to be used on the Victory class. Is that even allowed to be done? Victory class ships are for the ISA they are not Earth Force ships. The Warlocks on the other hand are. You are assuming to much I think.
Longs81 2 years ago
perhaps, but logic dictates...
If you know anything about current military and how upgrades work, you'd realize adopting changes isn't such big thing. And don't get upset or angry this is only a show, no need to go all emotional ;)
You have your view, I have mine.
Just to add, adding Victory type of armour is not that big deal, and ISA/EA what's the difference, Victory was built by EA, and commissioned by the Earth Force, served in Earth Force with Earth Force personal/crew. think...
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
Actually adopting changes can be expensive and time consuming, if you know anything about current military tech you'd know that upgrading something that might seem simple to the average person is in fact the opposite in practical terms. Sure replace the armour on that ship with the armour off the new one. The ship, a Warlock is 1km in length and you want to strip off the outer hull and put a new one on and remove the engines while your at it which are tied into the gravity system practical?
Longs81 2 years ago
@Longs81 the fact remains that EA and ISA have a common enemy, the drakh and it is in their own interests to share weapons technology even if earth has shown it can be a difficult allie
lamailegend 2 years ago
Sharing tech is one thing, implementing anything shared is a whole other matter.
Longs81 2 years ago
Is any of this stuff your posting cannon or are you just making it up? If so what's your source? I worked in a bookshop a few years back and used to flick through some B5 reference books while bored and they contradicted a lot of what your posting. There was a lot of info about the Warlocks, too much to post but it went into detail about how a lot of influence for their design came from the allies of the Shadows.
Longs81 2 years ago
some of it is canon, some are just conclusions...
You also forgot Victory class destroyers were built by EA, bc of Minbari technology transfer EA could aply many Minbari stuff on to Warlocks, like Victory armour, gravity drive, weapon systems and sensors...
Although main weapon on Warlock class as evident in this scene was developed with some help from shadow tech.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
Where did I say otherwise about the Victory class? please don't put words into my mouth. Anyone that's watched Call to Arms or the series Crusade will learn plenty about the Victory class destroyers. The first Warlock was completed at the conclusion of series 4 2261 it's stated that Ivanova would command it. The two Victory prototypes launched in 2266. What your saying doesn't make sense.
Longs81 2 years ago
Primus is more than enough for Omega he hawe more powerful weaponary and longer shooting range, but his armor is weaker than omegas. Main advantage centauri would hawe is greater numbers in ships over earth alliance
michwis 2 years ago
babyon 5 in HD is great
petrus4321 2 years ago
I don't remember that Battle in the lost tales, I'll have to watch it again.
redplague 2 years ago
I still think, Primus and Vorchan class cruisers stand no chance against Omega Destroyer, let alone Warlock Heavy Cruiser, I think this was most likely a scene of an ambush, Warlocks are as powerful as Sharlin Cruisers, have similar if not more powerful weapons and use same armor as Sharlins, in short, Centari attacking Earth Alliance would be about the same as them attacking Minbari Federation, both wars would lead to total annihilation of Centari Republic.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
Primus are quite strong.. renember that the Centauri were far more advanced than EA until EA got into the Interstellar Alliance and got more tech.. Primus is surelly faster and more agile than an Omega.. as for firepower dotn know..and armour, both Omega and Primus were seen destroyed by B5+Starfuries combined fire. Vorchans are probably weaker but quite more faster and agile.. (medium term with White Stars)
sparrowlt 2 years ago
I think Primus was a powerful warship, but it went down quite fast when star furies attacked it, as to Omega, well no, It took Babylon 5, star furies and other Omega to take it down... Heavily armored and armed warship... But I think this scene was made for the effect, really, Centaury stand little chance against the EA or Minbari...
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
And this battle is set many years in the future, and the Centurai have their own fighters for cover. Your looking at a re-tooled and upgraded Centauri fleet that would win by weight of numbers alone.
But even though a Warlock was designed to go toe-to-toe with a Sharlin, it doesn't mean it could. The Minbari still had the edge in beam technology, cloaking and manoeuvrability. Even the Centauri at the height of their empire knew better then to rattle the them.
ScreamingTc 2 years ago 3
@simgadraco2005 Minbari is the Only race that stands a chance against Centauri, EA sucks, their ships sucks, the only way E.A will have a fighting chance is if they Loan them a lot of white stars and Class ship destroyer like Excalibur. Centauri is older and much more advanced then EA, they have more weapon selections on their ships, their weapons cause more damage and their ships are faster and more agile. I am guessing 10 years later their ships will have major upgrades and prob new Fighters.
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
@vigorosoPIMPJr I agree EA fought a protracted War of attrition against the Minbari Federation and the Minbari still nearly won....It was fight run fight run fight run....Just because you kicked the Ghengis Kahn of spaces ass i.e the Dilgar dont mean everyones going to roll over and take it.....
Hauntedman1 1 year ago
@Hauntedman1 I agree... And its funny people Forget That Centauri Isn't afraid of Earth...You remember the episode when Cpt. Sheridan told Londo after the Ships attacked Narn if Earth can send people over and he said REQUEST DENIED!!!!and Earth didnt help Narn they allied themselves to C.Prime. Centauri ships are awesome especially the Newer Ones. They are so fast and agile...its like having Lots of white Stars but for really cheap. It gets the Job Done and wins wars jeje
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
@Simgradraco2005 The EA learnt this the hard way against the Minbari The EA loan scimp and back engineer everything they have the Excaliber stolen and then leased from the ISA is one example secondly the joint EA/ISA Warlock project to bring them up to speed with everyone else.
Hauntedman1 1 year ago
@sparrowlt I agree Centauri ships almost wiped out all the races in the Alliance until Sheradin Stepped in with starfiuris & funny part was C.P ships were reckless they were on Auto Pilot.Even though EA got tech when they joined ISA, C.P has the malice(meaning their weapons & strategies are plain EVIL) & they have more experience when it comes to war.Their ships offer so much more weapon choices, more damage and they are agile & fast which is awesome So I totally agree Centauri is better =)
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
Warlocks don't have the same armour as the Sharlins, where did you read that? The Warlocks began constuction during the Clark administration with the help of the allies of the Shadows. They were not ready in time so their advanced organic armour was fitted to the Omegas creating the OmegaX adv destroyer. As for how powerful they are vs Sharlin its unknown its never been stated in canon but the Sharlin has been stated as the most powerful warship of the younger races countless times.
Longs81 2 years ago
They have similar armour, Identical to that of Victory class, although Warlocks were designed in the last year of Clark's Administration, due to Minbari assistance (ISA trade deal and Victory Class Destroyer) Warlocks got some major upgrades. And if you look at the ship, you'll see its bristling with weapon ports, missile racks...
As I said before, only way for Century to take Warlock down IMHO is only through ambush and shear number.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
also wanted to add, by the time (cc 2302) Earth Alliance has grown in a major super power, but still lacked numbers, although almost largest of the younger races (colonies and territory wise) EA fleet by 2300s was still short of large capitol warships. I estimate EA by this time had barely 100 Warlocks and 1200 other smaller warships. Century had at least 4 times that many + only a third of territory to cover/protect. So yeah, Century even in this scenario were more powerful than EA.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
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Yet still, Century would be ill advised to attack EA, first off, EA industrial capacity, manpower, shear size and weapons technology, it would certainly mean end to the Century if they opposed EA, Century would have scored some early victories but in a long run, century would end up on a loosing side. Its same when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, we all know how it all ended :)
By 2300s of all younger races only Minbary stood head and shoulders above all others.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago
@simgadraco2005 Cantauri Ships aren't made to Fight hours on One spot, They are smart They Have faster and more agile ships with Battle Ships Destroyer weapons!!!! That's why White Stars Did so well in Fights... Centauri Prime is much more superior then Earth. They have more experience and they aren't about Look at my toys they are about actually showing power. E.A has never won a war except shitty Dilgar. and even when Centauri was destroying everyone Earth Chickened out and allied w/them.
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
just watched the lost tails again, this battle scene is awesome, although, I think 3 earth sips against dozen Centari was clearly to illustrate size of Centari fleet by what 2300... I although I was bit surprised to see Warlock going down so quickly, perhaps we saw what was the end of that battle, and one Warlock goes down, and 2nd takes 3 Vorcha class cruisers, that took out first Warlock, in the distance you can Omega being fired on by a Primus battlecruiser.
simgadraco2005 2 years ago 3
Well if you see it there's three Vorcha cruisers against a singlr Warlock, and no matter how advanced the Warlock is the weight of numbers is going to tell. Although having said that the fact the other Warlock managed to tear the main Vorchar apart with a single volley shows just how scary the Warlocks are in combat. The other thing I love is that for the first time you see EF ships using their missiles.
Oh why can't we have such epic battles again? No one has managed it since...
ScreamingTc 2 years ago
Keep in mind that Centauri can use Drakh technology in this upgraded Vorchans, and they hawe regardless they were not in their prime during b5 still more planets and teritory than EA. And we dont know what is political situation during this Centauri attack.
michwis 2 years ago
All pretty impressive of course.
Obviously nothing compares to the Third Space Aliens. 1 Thirdspace fighter = Whitestar.
Imagine their Dreadnaught = 2 Vorlon StarDreanuaghts (1 Vorlon Stardreadnaught can take out a Shadow Battlecrab with 1 hit easy).
CoolDojo9000 2 years ago
the other races would attack after this...........
ColonelFleet 2 years ago
I actually have a problem with this "Lost Tale" plot since it require the Centauri to be able to defeat Earth at that point in time...
While the Centauri were more advance in the past... Earth is quite skill at vindictively screwing other races to get ahead... the more likelihood is that they would fought each other to a standstill with on-going war for generations... highly unlikely they can orbital bombard New York as Galen show Sheridan...
And where are the ISA...
But great CGI
BioCapsule 2 years ago
Ever heard of Pearl Harbor? The Centauri use that ship type in great numbers to overwhelm even individually stronger opponents. While Warlocks definetly pack more punch as you could see, they still are very few and can fairly easily be overwhelmed with a sneak attack to catch them in smaller numbers and off guard. And we know the Centauri have no problems launching sneak attacks. :)
DoomDodgers 2 years ago
Ah... but that's kind of the point... It not so much that I disagree that this could happen...
Call to arms & this make it seem like it would be easy to sneak an attack into earth but that is not the case with the Earth-Minabri War & Civil war... specially the number of ship Clark have during civil war... a fleet of Omega X & about 30 Omega orbit in Mars & those are after his force has been taken out in other battles... so highly doubt there "few" Warlock class at the time...
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BioCapsule 2 years ago
Not to mention Earth is "Homeworld"... even compare WW2 standard... its hard to believe an invading fleet can fully reach DC for a sneak with the US totally unprepared.
We know that in both Crusaders script & "Deconstruction" Earth try to do things that put them ahead of others... I comment not because i think positively of humans capability but rather I consider humans to be a much more insidious force that is not easy to contain, human usually wear a smile before stabbing you from behind.
BioCapsule 2 years ago
In both Call to arms and this the enemy snuck past everything and struck Earth itself. You can't really even start to compare this with a WW2 era sneak attack, since in the case of Washington DC, one would have to go past the whole US atlantic navy and eastern air forces to strike DC. In B5 universe there is this thing called hyperspace.
Also, in the case of the civil war/Minbari war, in both cases the invading forces systematically took out the fighting capabilities of the enemy, not by sneak.
DoomDodgers 2 years ago
Well, I bet the folks in New York, Pearl Harbor and Washington would differ with that particular assessment. The United States is particularly GOOD at getting attacked by surprise. Every 40 or 50 years someone comes along and essentially gets away with murder in spectacular fashion at our expense because our politicians don't take stuff seriously until there's a "crisis".
proadmin1 2 years ago
hey if you ever read any of the b 5 rpgs the centuari at their height where monsters man-even the mindari wouldn't touch those guys with a ten foot pole (kinda contradicts the main series tho)
and vir supposedly totally rebuilt the republic and restored it to its former glory so they could of been out numbered and out gunned..
not that earth wouldn't make 'em bleed for the win
lordofmyarse 2 years ago
no no... i didn't mean Centauri not powerful enough... I mean human are also quite expansionist & paranoid (aggressive antagonist type)... enough that they are not those that just let any sneak attack happen... human are more likely to be the ones doing the sneaking... and a force like that are also always on the watch...
I always think human should be more of a villainous race (we are not very good people)... lol
BioCapsule 2 years ago
I honestly believe that if humans ever do get off this world and start colonizing the galaxy that we will be the evil invaders. Good analysis.
Tassadarky 2 years ago
The story arch of "Lost Tales was a little soft" still nice to see B5 again!
This space battle is revolutionary. Off the axis camera angles, great textures and forget the Warlocks, Starfuries!!!! workhorse of the human effort in space!
did by any chance you've seen the "The Legend of the Rangers"?
great animations but they fuck it up with the lady controlling the weapons. UGLY!!!
thanks for this post. I was looking for this in good quality. thanks,
Isil'Zha = B5 :-P
silokstudio 2 years ago 5
that was cool, gimmi more
mikeslaine79 2 years ago
i just read about the Warlock-class its got no shadow teck on it its got Minbari
gravity teck but im not sure about its weipons but its also got its armour upgrade but thats mente to be from what i read heavy armour plating not alien of any other teck and its got missle and heavy pulse and a more two-six more powerful Particle-Lasers which are yellow not red so i ges thats enhanced or reimaged but its just a heavly armed omega but with enhanced gravity and is larger weopon capsity
skycaprobb 2 years ago
there is one story about Ivanovova getting her own Warlock class vessel... she senses the shadow tech aboard(i think it was the shadow egg which was controling centaury ships in the series...), so she takes this warlock to B5 and Sheridan/Lochley(or whoever who was running the place at that time) sends the vorlon ship aboard... the vorlon ship... i assume telepathicaly fought with the shadow part of Warlock... and won... (they got the vorlon ship after the fight of kosh and ulkesh... :))
BaldurYT 2 years ago
@skycaprobb
The Warlock class destroyers are the first EA warships to use artificial gravity given by the Minbari to the EA when the ISA was formed. I donno why they still use old type engines though as it was mentioned in some episode, that the artificial gravity was the by-product of the Minbaris' gravitational engines.
The main point is, that with artificial gravity the ships have no need for large rotating sections that make the ships slow and clumsy.
DoomDodgers 1 year ago
they have a super class carrier but i meen its cus of how many weopons and how big and how many fighters it can carry
but i agree victory class destoryer should of been A battle cruiser not a destoyer :(
skycaprobb 2 years ago
the warlock was made by clark too counter sheridan (it had shadow tech bio armor) but since they didt have time they got the elite nova ship
yodarc 2 years ago
The Warlock was conceived before the Earth-Minbari war, and put into development Just before the Earth Civil War.
The ship you are thinking of were the modified Omega-X ships, killed by Susan Ivanova and the whitestars under her command.
While the warlock class uses shadow enhancements to its weapons systems, it does not use an organic hull.
Also the Omega-X ships did not have gravity, and maintained their rotational section.
TheREALTieral 2 years ago
You're both right. The Warlocks were originally meant to have the shadow bio armor, but weren't ready in time to counter Sheridan so they made the Omega X variations at the last moment.
Afterward the Warlocks were deployed, without Shadow armor.
wwettrich 2 years ago
Also worth mentioning is why almost every ship EA builds is a "destroyer." The Warlock, Omega, & Victory...all dubbed 'Destroyer." the only 2 that differ are the crappy Hyperion heavy cruiser and the Nova Dreadnought. I think the Warlock would fill a better role as "Carrier" with the ability to hold 42(!) starfuries and a battalion of Marines. The Victory-class should be a battleship for crying out loud! At least the Centauri updated their Vorchans. I like the wings deployed open like claws!
isaned 2 years ago
Agreed, it would have been refreshing to see through the series more ships referred to by other classifications and configurations than 'destroyers' but since the series was set just 10 years after the Earth-Minbari war and Earth was still reeling from near annihilation, I suppose the EA didn't want any other Races finishing what the Minbari started
gribae 2 years ago
centauri weponary acts like bullets rather than lasers, instead of "burning or cutting" through a ship's armor its pentetrates the armor and detonates much like a round except than its a focus energy shot rather than a metal round, Dr franklin stated this when ships of the alliance were being attacked and the evidence proved to be centauri ( they were really sent by the drakh)
Ltdeacon 2 years ago
good memory son
lamailegend 2 years ago
The middle half of season 5, if I am not mistaken. Remember the episode well, just not the episode title
gribae 2 years ago
No, it's from the movie "The Lost Tales"
Helge129 2 years ago 3
Aye, I accident5ly commented on the wrong Babylon 5 video, apologies.
gribae 2 years ago
I took notice the Warlock was breaking up prior to the first shots even hitting it, so no doubt the ship has been in combat for some time before it broke apart.
Rhron 3 years ago
The Warlocks are indeed a powerful class of warship said to match Minbari ships. I'm a little surprised one blew up like that but it was being pounded by a number of ships so who knows.
Mahbu 3 years ago
They weren't made to go up against other ships. The Warlock-class was made to move in and secure PLANETS, like the old Nova-Class Dreadnoughts. They aren't made to engage ship-to-ship, but they have some solid armaments like the forward beam cannons. Read the wikipedia page for more info.
isaned 2 years ago
Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what is the ship at 0:18 on the bottom right corner.
ArisSung 3 years ago
It seems like its of the Earth Alliance...? Can't tell though.
smcneal057 3 years ago
Its a Centauri ship i remember it an a star trek armada mod it was like a troop transport support ship
sachielpso 2 years ago
Whitestars are a tech in the hands of the Minbari, so why don't the minbari update the Sharlin? In the face of Earth closing the gap, this don't make sense. Or are the Minbari vested in the IA completely?
marky2112 3 years ago
Perhaps the Minbari don't see the need to upgrade or change much of their ways as fast as some of the other races? Notice how they also used the same class of ships and same technology from the Shadow War of 1,000 years ago?
There could be something in the whole "patience is a virtue" thing
gribae 3 years ago
The Sharlin IS an update. If you saw "War without End," you can see the old design, and they still carry the most powerful Neutron cannons around until the Victory-class came about. They don't need to advance much beyond that. The only races that pose a threat to them are the Shadows and Vorlons, both are gone.
isaned 2 years ago
I ve seen "war withithout end", an in some ways I agree with you, throught history, all battles, small and large are the produce of olitica within a cetain givenernem and the Narn -Centuair war is a prime example oftha Homeworld.
But you forgot ne kep in the comment, and tyat is that by the middle of seasn4, the EA had found a way to use Shadow techikigy on thirn shows
gribae 2 years ago
First off, I didn't realize how badass the Warlock class was until this clip (In the series, B5 and Crusade, it just flys around)!
Second, If this is ten years after the series ends, wouldn't the Starfury have been replaced by the Thunderbolt? Then again, I can understand being that the EA probably made so many of them that there was no point to get rid of all of the Starfury's. Besides, it's good for just a space battle, while the Thunderbolt can do space and planet attacks.
Tassadarky 3 years ago
There could be a few reasons, one of which you pointed out, but also because there would be some missions in which you wouldn't need all of the systems stored onboard a Thunderbolt, and if you're not planning on flying into a planet's atmoosphere, wouldn't you simply just climb aboard a Starfury?
Budget cuts, as often mention in the B5 politics could be yet another factor.
gribae 3 years ago
@Tassadarky Its actually 30 years after end of S5.. but the Starfury is a quite much older design than it looks and its constantly upgraded.. the Thunderbolt is a 2 seater fighter bomber capable of operating in atmosphere.. its faster and carries a lot more of firepower.. but the Aurora (the standard StarFury) is said to be more agile and more adept for space superiority.. so they probably still use it..
The real reason is probably that they only did the Starfury 3D updated model .
sparrowlt 1 year ago
WARLOCK CLASS DESTROYER, YAY! Too bad it gets blown up... :(
netfoo 3 years ago
At least it's sister ship gets some revenge for it =)
Tassadarky 3 years ago
Yeah well, the ships who destroyed it are gonna get their asses kicked by another!
CAPCBMERRITT 2 years ago
Forget the pathetic Centauri: if the Shadow came back to attack Earth 30 years from now, Earth can go toe-to-toe with them. Victory class > Shadow warship. Shadow warship >=Warlock class...Earth also has Omega class with Shadow armor. Earth warships would outnumber Shadow warships. Earth would win over the Shadow in a straight out war. What real threat? Remember those aliens the Vorlons had trouble with from another universe?
EVariation 3 years ago
Humans who has been in space for 200 years
vs
Shadows who has been in space 100 million years
Humans would surely win
NAT
xplson 3 years ago 4
Victory class has Vorlon weapons, and before the series Crusade ended, Vorlon armor. Which means everybody besides are the Vorlons are screwed. The Humans are far more numerous than the Shadow, and have far greater ships. With Vorlon tech = human victory. Real world example: 100 soliders now with latest weapons vs. 10,000 Romans 'soliders' with weapons of today. Who would win? Exactly.
EVariation 3 years ago
the romans....
gun844 3 years ago
@EVariation They had a cheap replica of both Vorlon and Shadow Tech.... It took the Vorlons and Mimbari and other races to unite to FIGHT OFF The SHADOWS. I highly doubt 100 Victory Class ships would do anything. The ship is slow by the time it powers up and shoots the shadow ship will be out of its way and of course by the time they regain POWER after the SUPER SHOT The Shadow ship would have easily wiped out the Victory class ship. Only the Vorlons & The other Ancients can fight & maybe win
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
look the shadows lost heirs main base lost their fleet(most of them) and lost everything.They cant make new ships.
Earth has million allies minbari...ceantauri...so EA can win the war.
Oh AND dont underestmate the power of the centauri.primus calss is 200 years old.So humanity is only their where the centauri is 200 before the time of bab5.
gun844 3 years ago
@gun844 True I agree about Centauri Prime but the Shadows are still way over EA and ISA... Unless the Ancients including the Vorlons get involved no one will have a chance. They Come and GO in thin air no need for gates... They use nano tech so they can prob get make ships where ever they can land, & The shadows has never LOST a clean fight...First war they had Someone from the FUTURE babylon 4, Every Ancient Race and of course Mimbari... that's insane power if u need every ancient/young & race.
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
Minbari Sharlin >= Warlock I think. Battlecrabs are still more powerful, I mean Warlocks don't have bio hull, OR the energy refracting armor of the Victory Class, so Shadow beams can slice them in two. Maybe that dual beam cannon thingy shown here can nail a Battlecrab but its still faster. And don't forget other advantages. Hyperspace phasing, jump point disruptor, advanced regeneration capabilities, and possibly telepathic attacks (what about that screech thing).
Krill8888 3 years ago
Although I don't know, I did not see Crusade with the exeption of 2 episodes, I am not aware of Victory Class getting bio-armor, could sb state an episode title? But still that one is really tough, armed with the weapons of a Vorlon Star Dreadnought, don't forget that it is NOT Earth Alliance property, but ISA. There is difference, as it's just as Minbari as human. About the Centauri, yeah they are not much of a treat, despite Galen claiming "destruction never seen before". (Shadow Cloud?)
Krill8888 3 years ago
Victory class was also given the latest Minbari armor (the thickness of the armor plating was twice as much as other warship on top that), 80% damage absorption. They were supposed to be equipped with Vorlon armor on top of the Minbari armor. But the show ended before it could be implimented. However the Minbari armor was incredible. Victory class > Shadow mothership. Earth would have way more ships, and better ships even without Victory class.
EVariation 3 years ago
I interpreted one of your sentences as Excalibur got bio-hull in crusade, but maybe I was wrong. About the Warlock, I must admit, I have never seen them in live action (exept this)and I know it uses Shadow tech, just it does not seem to have a bio-armor. Another thing I noticed is that these are probably updated Vorchans, as they seem almost as large as a Warlock, while norm Vorchans are small. No matter, Centauri still don't stand a chance, I think.
Krill8888 3 years ago
The victory class battle ships are not more powerful thenn the shadow ships. everyone knows that. Anything that the 1st ones make can't be matched for at least a 500,000 years.... remember it only takes 1 animal and 1 pilot to control the shadow ships, and these shadow ships are not there top of the line "shadow ships" there only design to fight the younger races.
Tearvon 3 years ago
Well that, and the fact that over half of the Shadow fleet has been in relative 'dry-dock' (buried, hidden in hyperspace, beyond the Rim etc) for the last 1,000.
And it wouldn't take 500,000 years to match their technology. The Earth Alliance seemed pretty good at REVERSE ENGINEERING a few Shadow ships.
Why build your own when you can steal someone else's technology?
gribae 3 years ago