@ChaosDynamics Yeah, and die anyway when the life support systems go kaput. :-P And humans aren't built for subterranean life, so long-term survival is out of the question.
06.10 "New-queue-lur" for 'nuclear'. Having pronounced it wrong, I warrant she knows less about the process that's killing her than she does about the cycle of a steam engine or the life of a plant. Bless.
This is a good primer for the fate of humanity from the Fukushima disaster. I wasn't going to reveal it, but...well, a close friend of mine who is a physicist at Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington State told me that the scientists cannot do anything more a Fukushima and that the plutonium, cesium-137 and strontium-90 being released from there will enshroud the planet in a deadly radioactive cloud within 2 years. I hope my govt issues the cyanide pill when it happens here.
We're all terminal but the greatest hope is this =: " For God so loved the world (that's you) that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 when you have Jesus in your heart its a win, win situation all the way. hallelujah.
We're all terminal but the greatest hope is this =: " For God so loved the world (that's you) that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 when you have Jesus in your heart its a win, win situation all the way. hallelujah.
It's incredibly provocative and moving.. Fortunately it will never happen. The radiation effects they speak of in this movie wont happen purely because bombs these days are designed to minimise the amount of residual radiation and detonated above the ground to prevent dust and debris being blown up into the atmosphere. Still, it's a moving concept and the idea of a hemisphere being wiped out by war is a chilling one.
@fatezor Because the book was written in the Mid Fifties and such clever ideas had not yet been dramatised by popular media. Also, perhaps Neville Shute was examining how those of left would really feel about surviving on a dead planet based on the available knowledge of the time.
@fatezor a) because people in general prefer to ignore threats, and even tons of supplies would only serve a few thousands
b) because a submarine can only contain 500 people at most, and some radiation has a half life of 500 years, supplies would also most likely be contaminated... that said, some people would most likely survive....
@fatezor last time i have checked when Chernobyl area will be suitable to be inhabit again the numbers were... i dont know... a few hundred years, mate, if ever.
@fatezor - easier said than done mate. Probably even Subarines could'nt last all that long in the Deep Ocean, plus how would they keep re-fuelling. Also Living for that long on a Sub would probably drive everyone insane anyway and in time the Ocean could become affected. I don't know but thats just a guess.
@fatezor Because there is only an allotted period of time that a group can remain in the confines of a submarine without surfacing without going completely insane.
What's so unsettling about this is that it's obvious propaganda. I sympathise with the point and even mostly agree (after all nobody's *for* nuking the planet), but still... this is entertainment designed to further a political agenda. I don't appreciate it.
Good point - the Shute book has no agenda and no need to ramp up the drama, which is obviously entirely sufficient in itself. The problem I have with both films AND the book is that no one really knows what are the long-term and even mid-term effects of fallout. Certainly a large immediate dose is fatal - but a smaller dose over time may not be. Swallows are nesting in the very concrete sarcophagus that encases Chernobyl, astounding biologists and physicists alike.
I believe, tho not able to provide exact data, that at least mid term effects of fallout have been sufficiently studied in the aftermath of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the Bikini Island nuclear tests to be able to say that at the least, fallout would induce cancer especially leukemia and thyroid tumors as well as serious chromosomal damage leading to deformations of plant and animal life. People are not sparrows..but fallout is not theonly problem, total nuke war=nuke winter=end of life on earth.
This is a misconception in part - people and sparrows have much more in common than not, and radiation is equally deadly and for the same reasons. And yes a world with 30 percent cancer rates for a 100 years would be bad, but it would be alive. At Chernobyl life is thriving in a small area around the reactor that suffered the equivalent of 200 Hiroshima bombs. That would be considered a strategic level exchange and it would definitely not annihilate us all.
If you say so. I'm not an expert on this matter.. but I think the combined nuclear arsenals on this planet would amount to much more that the equivalent of 200 hiroshimas, which was horrific. During the Cold War, a global nuclear catastrophe was considered sustainable by the governments involved. I prefer to believe like the computer program Joshua in War Games who said that it is a strange game to play where nobody wins...and nuclear winter is a scientific fact
Here is another hopeful fact - razing cities with 10 megaton bombs is no longer efficient or necessary - precision targeting makes the large hydrogen bomb a pointless excess which even the most irrational hawks do not advocate.
As for nuclear winter, this is just a computer model. Life survived both immense volcanism (read about the Fish Canyon tuff) as well as countless asteroid and comet impacts. There is much reason for hope. This work derives its power from finality - it need not be so.
again, a caveat, I don't pretend to expertise on the subject and don't seek to polemicize.Precision targeting, neutron bombs, yes they exist, but would rogue nations like N Korea, Pakistan, Israel, Iran etc prefer those options? + I don't believe nuclear winter is just a puter mod., people said that bout global warming too.Life has indeed survived many catastrophes over eras, cockroaches and rats will most likely survive the next.Disagree that "no one know mid/long term effects"..we do know..
I think there's a couple of scientific facts concerning a nuclear war that nobody can debate. Lots and lots of people would die and a good percentage of real estate would be incinerated.
Mutual Assured Destruction only worked between parties that wanted to live ultimately, now we have players at the nuclear table who want to die in battle, and the idiots we depend on to make the decisions keep talking, about talking with them some more. Still, it's ridiculous to think after the intial EMPs that enough nukes will still explode to cause this sort of global armageddon, things will just get more complicated is all. Shelter, stockpile, return to basics, life will go on.
we could say what's the reason anyway? Speed limits in most of europe are at 130kmp But it's still a cool beautiful car... I have a beautiful fur coat but can no longer wear it because of ecolonazis, even those who eat animals raised for meat in far worse circumstances than those for foxes for their fur (think battery chickens) and wear leather shoes by Adida....I'm a vegetarian myself...such hypocrisy and gregious behaviour.
Yes, this is the merit of this movie, that it shows how unbearably SAD the consequences of a nuclear holocaust would be and makes you pray wholeheartedly: "Lord, let it never happen! Anything, but not this!" Because the pain caused to the characters on screen, multiplied by the millions of other families cruelly slain by the catastrophe, would be enough to have you crying for the rest of your life if it was possible.
The book first, then the movie, and latterly this series have haunted me for many years....I wish everyone in the world, especially state leaders would watch this....
In my country today, April 25th, is the day we remember our war dead and honour those that returned (known as ANZAC day... look it up on Wiki).
But after a Nuclear exhange, there would be no one to left to honour in the later years. Hopefully shows like this and movies like "The Day After" lessen the chance these things will ever happen.
Unfortunately, those in power, and even less the crazies rogue powers, watch things like this. You would think if they had children, nothing like this would ever happen...
You think that the same crazy rogue powers that hide in hospitals and use their women and children as human shields, enlist their children at the age of 9 to be "freedom fighters" and strap suicide bombs to children give a flying fuck about their children?
In your comment you had said that rogue governments must have children and that, like us, this would surely effect their decision in regards to using world devastating armaments: When I worked for the WHO I conducted a year's worth of fact gathering in the Left Bank where I also gathered annecdotal evidence that the value of one's child's life isn't a universal sentiment. Cultures through history have even offered initiatives to procreate for the sole purpose of creating warriors.
@thegirl44 I didn't remember saying that, must have been taking phenobarbital :)) I do agree that many cultures raised children for warfare re Sparta and Nazi Germany to name but two...UR right;;;
I can`t understand that Dwight deserts his crew . . . his men need him and he follows his heart . . . that does not fit to a commander of a sub who is responsible for his crew . . . especially in a situation like this . . .
in the 1950s film version Gregory Peck DOES leave with his crew. to die with them.. can't remember the end of the book but in the 50s film the Ava Gardner character was a "bad girl" and "deserved" to be abandoned..True that a sub commander has responsibilities but as they are all to die anyway... ?? I prefer this ending...altho I might myself have gone with them...
@anisete46 when I wrote this 2 years ago, didn't know I would be dying soon, but I am... and still don't think I'll be good at it...goodbye to all, survive mateys..
I miss the line from the 1959 movie, when Peter shows the pills to his wife and she says "And this cures it?"... and he replies, "No, this ends it" .; and she freaks out...
Such utter and complete bullshit you manage to utter there geoff :p
flaksim 1 month ago
@ChaosDynamics It is times like these you need Vault-Tec to make some handy, underground vaults.
Muntman11 1 month ago
This movie should have gotten some emmy awards with one going to Mr. Asante for best actor.
rich5248 3 months ago
@ChaosDynamics Yeah, and die anyway when the life support systems go kaput. :-P And humans aren't built for subterranean life, so long-term survival is out of the question.
ZemplinTemplar 7 months ago
06.10 "New-queue-lur" for 'nuclear'. Having pronounced it wrong, I warrant she knows less about the process that's killing her than she does about the cycle of a steam engine or the life of a plant. Bless.
NamronSeven 8 months ago
This is a good primer for the fate of humanity from the Fukushima disaster. I wasn't going to reveal it, but...well, a close friend of mine who is a physicist at Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington State told me that the scientists cannot do anything more a Fukushima and that the plutonium, cesium-137 and strontium-90 being released from there will enshroud the planet in a deadly radioactive cloud within 2 years. I hope my govt issues the cyanide pill when it happens here.
geoffck6969 11 months ago
@geoffck6969 you read too many scare sites, dude.
PS: you have no close friend, and your statement is pure bullshit. lololol
attorjohn 10 months ago
I wonder if Mcmurdo station in antartica was safe?
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
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We're all terminal but the greatest hope is this =: " For God so loved the world (that's you) that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 when you have Jesus in your heart its a win, win situation all the way. hallelujah.
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We're all terminal but the greatest hope is this =: " For God so loved the world (that's you) that He gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 when you have Jesus in your heart its a win, win situation all the way. hallelujah.
janneyisin 1 year ago
It's incredibly provocative and moving.. Fortunately it will never happen. The radiation effects they speak of in this movie wont happen purely because bombs these days are designed to minimise the amount of residual radiation and detonated above the ground to prevent dust and debris being blown up into the atmosphere. Still, it's a moving concept and the idea of a hemisphere being wiped out by war is a chilling one.
septje 1 year ago
@septje fantasy
georgel19841 1 year ago
@septje sure, with todays tech. we'll be fine, after WW3. no biggy.
bang! bang! and we'll be back at work in no time...
yeah.
utar88utar 11 months ago
why doesn't AussieRoo ever comment or reply?
anisete46 1 year ago
god bless America
GearsofNorway 2 years ago
Don't worry. The illuminati have made accommodations for themselves to be absolutely safe from any type of war. Don't ya feel better now?
2242bzo 2 years ago
Yah ! You dont think they built that space station up there just to study rats and catipillars in space do ya!
walleyrt69 2 years ago
why didn't they,
a) make a lead structure on land to store TONS food and supplies.
b) take remaining submarines out to the deep ocean and let radiation levels drop for a few years, while making timely stops at the supply depo.
fatezor 2 years ago 14
Or pack the subs with supplies and head down to the Antarctica bases?
bmcguire80 2 years ago
Because they didn't have time?
NBdweller 1 year ago
@fatezor Because the book was written in the Mid Fifties and such clever ideas had not yet been dramatised by popular media. Also, perhaps Neville Shute was examining how those of left would really feel about surviving on a dead planet based on the available knowledge of the time.
HENJAM48 1 year ago
@fatezor Great question!! That never comes up. THey just chuck it in!!
eric777100763 1 year ago
@fatezor a) because people in general prefer to ignore threats, and even tons of supplies would only serve a few thousands
b) because a submarine can only contain 500 people at most, and some radiation has a half life of 500 years, supplies would also most likely be contaminated... that said, some people would most likely survive....
anisete46 1 year ago
@anisete46 C-14 has a half-life of 5,000 years. Cobalt-60 has a half-life of 5 years. U-235 has a half-life of several hundred million years.
attorjohn 10 months ago
@fatezor last time i have checked when Chernobyl area will be suitable to be inhabit again the numbers were... i dont know... a few hundred years, mate, if ever.
nuclear war means the end.
literaly
utar88utar 11 months ago
@fatezor - easier said than done mate. Probably even Subarines could'nt last all that long in the Deep Ocean, plus how would they keep re-fuelling. Also Living for that long on a Sub would probably drive everyone insane anyway and in time the Ocean could become affected. I don't know but thats just a guess.
soeffingwhat 11 months ago
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soeffingwhat 10 months ago
@fatezor Because there is only an allotted period of time that a group can remain in the confines of a submarine without surfacing without going completely insane.
simplenametag 8 months ago
@fatezor What about the Dr. Strangelove method? Mineshafts!
"Animals can be bread... und slaughtered!"
ObssesedNuker 7 months ago
as poor Moira does... in the book and 50s movie..
anisete46 2 years ago
Did we ever actually see Brinkmaster and Carter? They seem like the Rozencrantz and Guiderstern of this series...
anisete46 2 years ago 2
Makeup dept. really went the limit on whiteface and black eyeliner..
anisete46 2 years ago
dumb as humans!
proverb311031 2 years ago
What's so unsettling about this is that it's obvious propaganda. I sympathise with the point and even mostly agree (after all nobody's *for* nuking the planet), but still... this is entertainment designed to further a political agenda. I don't appreciate it.
Shock1224 2 years ago
Good point - the Shute book has no agenda and no need to ramp up the drama, which is obviously entirely sufficient in itself. The problem I have with both films AND the book is that no one really knows what are the long-term and even mid-term effects of fallout. Certainly a large immediate dose is fatal - but a smaller dose over time may not be. Swallows are nesting in the very concrete sarcophagus that encases Chernobyl, astounding biologists and physicists alike.
-drl
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
I believe, tho not able to provide exact data, that at least mid term effects of fallout have been sufficiently studied in the aftermath of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the Bikini Island nuclear tests to be able to say that at the least, fallout would induce cancer especially leukemia and thyroid tumors as well as serious chromosomal damage leading to deformations of plant and animal life. People are not sparrows..but fallout is not theonly problem, total nuke war=nuke winter=end of life on earth.
anisete46 2 years ago
This is a misconception in part - people and sparrows have much more in common than not, and radiation is equally deadly and for the same reasons. And yes a world with 30 percent cancer rates for a 100 years would be bad, but it would be alive. At Chernobyl life is thriving in a small area around the reactor that suffered the equivalent of 200 Hiroshima bombs. That would be considered a strategic level exchange and it would definitely not annihilate us all.
-drl
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
If you say so. I'm not an expert on this matter.. but I think the combined nuclear arsenals on this planet would amount to much more that the equivalent of 200 hiroshimas, which was horrific. During the Cold War, a global nuclear catastrophe was considered sustainable by the governments involved. I prefer to believe like the computer program Joshua in War Games who said that it is a strange game to play where nobody wins...and nuclear winter is a scientific fact
anisete46 2 years ago
Here is another hopeful fact - razing cities with 10 megaton bombs is no longer efficient or necessary - precision targeting makes the large hydrogen bomb a pointless excess which even the most irrational hawks do not advocate.
As for nuclear winter, this is just a computer model. Life survived both immense volcanism (read about the Fish Canyon tuff) as well as countless asteroid and comet impacts. There is much reason for hope. This work derives its power from finality - it need not be so.
antimatterXXXIII 2 years ago
again, a caveat, I don't pretend to expertise on the subject and don't seek to polemicize.Precision targeting, neutron bombs, yes they exist, but would rogue nations like N Korea, Pakistan, Israel, Iran etc prefer those options? + I don't believe nuclear winter is just a puter mod., people said that bout global warming too.Life has indeed survived many catastrophes over eras, cockroaches and rats will most likely survive the next.Disagree that "no one know mid/long term effects"..we do know..
anisete46 2 years ago
I think there's a couple of scientific facts concerning a nuclear war that nobody can debate. Lots and lots of people would die and a good percentage of real estate would be incinerated.
airdriver 2 years ago
can someone give the audio of the last radio transmission?
anisete46 2 years ago
Mutual Assured Destruction only worked between parties that wanted to live ultimately, now we have players at the nuclear table who want to die in battle, and the idiots we depend on to make the decisions keep talking, about talking with them some more. Still, it's ridiculous to think after the intial EMPs that enough nukes will still explode to cause this sort of global armageddon, things will just get more complicated is all. Shelter, stockpile, return to basics, life will go on.
LinnTractorNut 2 years ago 3
I'm not a physicist, but I'm not sure the EMP factor would have any effect on multi-warheads falling at millisecond intervals...
anisete46 2 years ago
it's kinda creepy seeing a feerari driving the steets of apocalypse :/
I mean it's cool glorious car but what is the reason of havcing one if you're going to die
skyraptor 2 years ago
we could say what's the reason anyway? Speed limits in most of europe are at 130kmp But it's still a cool beautiful car... I have a beautiful fur coat but can no longer wear it because of ecolonazis, even those who eat animals raised for meat in far worse circumstances than those for foxes for their fur (think battery chickens) and wear leather shoes by Adida....I'm a vegetarian myself...such hypocrisy and gregious behaviour.
anisete46 2 years ago
I think we should all say a prayer to God or Allah or whatever you as a human being concieve as a higher being......I know i will
cro499 2 years ago 3
Yes, this is the merit of this movie, that it shows how unbearably SAD the consequences of a nuclear holocaust would be and makes you pray wholeheartedly: "Lord, let it never happen! Anything, but not this!" Because the pain caused to the characters on screen, multiplied by the millions of other families cruelly slain by the catastrophe, would be enough to have you crying for the rest of your life if it was possible.
NotOnlySelfLover 2 years ago
The book first, then the movie, and latterly this series have haunted me for many years....I wish everyone in the world, especially state leaders would watch this....
anisete46 2 years ago 2
I know I will also.
In my country today, April 25th, is the day we remember our war dead and honour those that returned (known as ANZAC day... look it up on Wiki).
But after a Nuclear exhange, there would be no one to left to honour in the later years. Hopefully shows like this and movies like "The Day After" lessen the chance these things will ever happen.
colonialjill 2 years ago
Unfortunately, those in power, and even less the crazies rogue powers, watch things like this. You would think if they had children, nothing like this would ever happen...
anisete46 2 years ago
@anisete46
You think that the same crazy rogue powers that hide in hospitals and use their women and children as human shields, enlist their children at the age of 9 to be "freedom fighters" and strap suicide bombs to children give a flying fuck about their children?
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 Wha ?? don't know what you're replying to...
anisete46 1 year ago
@anisete46
In your comment you had said that rogue governments must have children and that, like us, this would surely effect their decision in regards to using world devastating armaments: When I worked for the WHO I conducted a year's worth of fact gathering in the Left Bank where I also gathered annecdotal evidence that the value of one's child's life isn't a universal sentiment. Cultures through history have even offered initiatives to procreate for the sole purpose of creating warriors.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44 I didn't remember saying that, must have been taking phenobarbital :)) I do agree that many cultures raised children for warfare re Sparta and Nazi Germany to name but two...UR right;;;
anisete46 1 year ago
@thegirl44 how ru doing the girl?
anisete46 1 year ago
@anisete46
All's well here, the apocalypse hasn't hit...yet :).
How's shakes with you?
thegirl44 1 year ago
With the economy falling apart, maybe we should all go to the "Distribution Centre" at 2:30.
wardenphil 2 years ago
Och now laddie, it's not that bad yet surely?
anisete46 2 years ago
I would have stayed with my sister..
anisete46 3 years ago
what is Mary saying..?
anisete46 3 years ago
So "pathetique" in the original meaning of the word, those people standing immobile in the streets....
anisete46 3 years ago
I can`t understand that Dwight deserts his crew . . . his men need him and he follows his heart . . . that does not fit to a commander of a sub who is responsible for his crew . . . especially in a situation like this . . .
mrsnomi 3 years ago
in the 1950s film version Gregory Peck DOES leave with his crew. to die with them.. can't remember the end of the book but in the 50s film the Ava Gardner character was a "bad girl" and "deserved" to be abandoned..True that a sub commander has responsibilities but as they are all to die anyway... ?? I prefer this ending...altho I might myself have gone with them...
anisete46 3 years ago
Great line: "I've never died before and I don't think I'll be very good at it"... don't think I will be either
anisete46 3 years ago 11
@anisete46 when I wrote this 2 years ago, didn't know I would be dying soon, but I am... and still don't think I'll be good at it...goodbye to all, survive mateys..
anisete46 1 year ago
I miss the line from the 1959 movie, when Peter shows the pills to his wife and she says "And this cures it?"... and he replies, "No, this ends it" .; and she freaks out...
anisete46 3 years ago