What I take from this is that we aren't nothing much but big blobs of organs governed by brain cells shaped by genetic and environmental factors. Great.
U give people a label they act like the label Genie's no different from any of us...she was just neglected in extreme case and abused she needs love affection attention dont treat her like a damn experiment just give her love...no need to analyze like crazy then u make her feel like she's different.
@nerdforeverchick No. The psychologists and researchers were trying to help her develop. Moreover, because cases of this magnitude are so incredibly rare and cannot be replicated in a laboratory setting (due to obvious ethical issues), it can provide a wealth of information that can better our understanding of many concepts such as the effects of isolation on cognition and behaviour. These 'labels' are just a convenient way of grouping common symptoms for an ailment, nothing more.
@nerdforeverchick You are 100% right. I read a book about her called, "Genie: A Scientific Tragedy". It chronicled how abusive their research was. A sweet cook at the hospital she was taken to when she was removed from her home was asked by the research team, "So, Genie responds well to your intrasupportive initiatives?" He replied, "I just gives her love." He had the right idea. The rest of them (except Shurely and Butler) were kooks.
...but on the other hand a rehabilitation effort should never be left in half. This was unfortunately what happened with Genie, whose progress had been slow but steady.
And this is even more shocking and saddening when we know that Genie, by everyone's admission a very "feeling" and emotional girl, would spend whole days crying herself off after she moved to the first post-research foster home. At least Susan Curtiss tried everything she could to stop this, but alone she couldn't do much. :(
More than her lack of grammar, Genie's peculiar phonetics did make her at times not so easy to understand. "Doctor" would sound like "tight", "girl" like "twirl", "hospital" like "appeal"...only the well-acquainted with her mannerisms would readily know what she meant.
Anyway, articulate or not, one can't stop wondering how could so many bad things have happened to such a sweet-looking girl...
@mesfern that's what I have been asking...WHY? People used her as an experiment and after there was nothing to learn from her...they threw her away..giving her no chance to attach to someone! It is society's fault. They failed her.
I believe we shouldn't romanticise Genie's case and believe that love alone would do the trick. When she was discovered, no doubts Genie was in a terribly desperate state. She didn't even know how to interpret the most basic gestures, like pointing with the finger, which only shows the impossible extent of neglect and abuse she had suffered. So, we couldn't expect to rehabilitate her without a good deal of scientific testing and observation.
@Karengreen176 and in what sense has he been forgiven ? should i forgive him for locking a child in a room for most of her childhood life, not allowing her to have human contact with anyone because he thought she was mentally disabled ? it seems to me that instead of him facing up to his sins, he took the easy way out to ignore his sins and to not face up to what he has done to his own daughter.
@fee0hnaa iam sure that dude got what he got in hell unless He has looked into his soul and see's that he is sorry for what he did...I am sure the man Genie's dad was mentally ill...he killed all his children previously
@fee0hnaa If you're a christian, shouldn't you be praying that he has been forgiven and is in heaven? Isn't there more joy in heaven for one repentant sinner than a single virtuous man?
poor girl....the world is so cruel..especially in the treatment of children... i cant stop crying when i watch this..everyone took advantage of her frailty and then dropped her off like nothing when interest was lost... shame on them..i shame them..
@n0rtycup1d I know, I can't believe these people can even bear to show their faces, let alone brazenly given interviews. If it was me, I'd be so ashamed. For all the "care" they showed, they sure gave up on her.
the saddest part is that she is unlike other feral children; they lacked being civilized but they were socialized with other animals. genie lacked both being abused, neglected, and completely isolated from any sort of society :(
I feel so sorry for this kid. If they hadnt given up on her then she could have had a normal life. she could have been a normal kid with a normal social life but becasue of this man she had neither. Terrible man :@
@LootableCorpse she said "Dah". The way a baby would when first learning words. For example my first word was "Ty" because I was trying to say my brothers name (Tyler).
@LootableCorpse I was eating a piece of pizza while watching this with my brother. At about 8 min in I looked down and seen your comment. I started laughing so hard, I choked and a pizza flew out my nose. My brother freaking out asked if I was ok. All I could do was point to your comment! We were thinking the same thing, just didn't want to say it! Thanks for the Epic laugh!
From my experience with severe developmental disability and from what I read about Genie, I'd say that she would be one of the most unusual cases of congenital mental "retardation" in history. It would be much more plausible to think just the opposite, that is, given a fair course at life, Genie would prove to be a very gifted child. And let's not forget that Genie got some of the highest scores ever in spatial intelligence tests such as the Mooney Face Test or the Nebes Arc and Circle.
i think she was originally born normal, but even if she was "retarded", i worked in a home w/ people of severely low iq's. "retarded" doesn't mean stupid. severe abuse and isolation damages a developing mind. there are studies now that show that even functioning people that were abused as children, their brainwaves do not function like "normal" people.
what she needs most is love thats what us humans want and especially babies thats what she missed love and relationship i would just hug her and love her she has to kno that her parents are bad people and she isntt
i wish we could just hear about the great things that has happened and could have happened for this unique child. its so sad she was surrounded by such tragic circumstances. tugs the strings of my heart.
i saw the movie mocking bird dont sing...words couldnt describe what the girl went though if i was the mother i would have killed the husband to stop him
acorrding to my psy prof, her mom put her in a children's home, and didnt release the info to the public about her wereabouts, thus, gene could be anywhere, nobody really knows!
The only reason "retarded" became offensive is that people starting using it as an insult, instead of using it to describe those who really are retarded. It used to be the socially acceptable term, with the alternatives being "an idiot" or "stupid." Those two words fell out of use for the same reason as "retarded." Retarded just means slow. The problem is the way intellectually "normal" people place a stigma on people with disabilities. They don't know "retarded" is a "bad word" until.......
(continued) ....until) they learn that it's a "bad word." To a lesser degree, it's like some people use the word "black" (for skin color) or "ginger" (for hair color), and the only reason the words have any negative connotation at all is that the insulted allow it. Retarded people, on the other hand, usually don't care. It's as if they're above it, and the rest of us are too bogged down in what we think is actually important to realize how petty we are.....
(continued)... "mentally retarded" IS the technically correct term for mentally challenged. I personally prefer to use the term "differently abled" but the fact remains that the word "retarded" has no negative connotation when used appropriately. Stop using it as an insult, and you wouldn't think it's offensive.
because "mentally challenged" isnt suiting. every person in the world can face a mental challenge, whether its math or sudoku or language or even simply just functioning.
This story truly, trulty touched me and lets think about everything that has gone on since then. i hope that a story like this will inspire people to step up to the plate when they see any kind of abuse happen because you never know what is happening behind the door of a childs home, if you are not an abuser then you will agree and if you are you are probably thinking that you wouldnt want people in your business, save our future who are our children.
I like Genie, I hate her parents..Im glad her father shot himself, I hope it hurt, I hope it hurt alot...I hope Genie is doing well, that she finds love and caring...Poor Genie, poor poor Genie, Did I mention I hate her parents...I wish I could have shot them both....in the face..twice
He was also horribly abused by his father, not locked to a potty chair, but seriously abused nonetheless. I just noticed they mention her mother and her father, but not her brother, like he isn't worth a single sentence.
@deathly809 do you even know what you're talking about? this person's brain and development course has been irreparably damaged to the point where the line between human and animal is so vague it no longer exists. just because they are "human" in for does in no respect imply they can function as one. get over your emotions and think about the science behind it. who are you even standing up for? this being never has and never will serve a function in human society.
@deathly809 we can try and fix her and pretend we're serving a greater cause by doing so, but in reality, she knows no difference. she will live and then die. just like any other creature. it serves no greater purpose to deem her human. we're merely trying to assimilate a lost cause into a social setting which requires no need of her.
People didn't try to assimilate her so she'd "serve a function" but merely to do some justice and out of compassion. And, of course, because of science.
fuck, fuck, fuck. i hate that this even happened, but only if they hadn't given up on her. if only they kept funding, she could be somewhat functional today. but, fuck. she was abused even more in her foster homes. this poor human existence. i think we should all think twice about complaining about our parents next time, because no matter how shitty they are at times, they would never do something like this to you.
Actually, she was. The critical period theory states that there is an ideal window of time in which a child learns language, or else it can be impossible. Genie never truly acquired language like a typically developing child. She had a few words, but never acquired grammar. It lends support to theory. Other feral children younger than Genie have acquired language, but at 13, she could not.
@monny287 no, that doesnt mean she was a wild child, kid, are you that stupid?? its like saying a kid never learned to perfect pitch so he is 'wild'. i know what the critical period says, but that is JUST language, it doesnt mean she is wild. perfect pitch is virtually natural at young age like language, and can become virtually impossible to learn by most, but thats not social interaction, being exposed to language or deprived from it isnt the key element in wild and feral children,
I never said that was the reason she was a feral child. The term simply means she was raised outside the confines of civilized society. I was responding to your comment that she was not helpful for the critical period theory. Genie's progress suggest that there IS a critical window of time for children to learn language. Not speech, which is just the act of making words, but language--grammar, syntax, etc. Given that she learned words but not grammar, she is in support of that.
@monny287 I dont believe she is of use to this theory, because there is a great difference between a potential being 'unused' or there being and opposite force of the potential drowning it down. In a matter of sense, she was taught not to learn, so its not like we can be sure that the frame was closed because of the time, because theres evidence that it could have been closed by her parent's interaction. I thought you were talking about ferals, and we are all kids, dont be an ass, kid =p
She was not "taught not to learn"; humans learn naturally and insitinctively, you can't shut that off. When she was removed from the home, she began learning things immediately, without anyone having to "teach" her to learn. But I agree; there are many unknowns about Genie: the effect of her abuse on her brain, whether she had some sort of intellectual disability from birth, etc.
And for the record, I am not "kid". I am in my third year of college earning my degree in child development and live these concepts every day. And what you said about perfect pitch made absolutely no sense.
genie is of no use to the nature vs nurture. why? because genie wasnt 'wild'. she was conditioned because her father beat her, she was conditioned, she was molded, punished, negatively nurtured through positive punishment.
@omgtkseth she was a wild child. how is punishment positive in any way? she didnt walk properly, she hardly spoke at all and she didnt know how to show any emotion other than fear. these facts are what make her a "wild child" there was no nurture there at all
@sarahsoriano17 Wild child implies she wasnt nurtured and cultured, and that only instincts are present in the child. But she was nurtured and cultured, not to the social standards, but in a cruel way. She had contact with humans, and she learned from them, she didnt grow without a culture, she grew with a prisoner's culture, cruel nurturing. His father beat her when she talked and things, that is conditioning her, nurturing. Maybe you should check for definitions, because (continued)
@sarahsoriano17 (continued) because positive punishment and nurturing are psychological terms, and you are interpreting it with different semantics. Positive, in science, doesnt mean 'good', it means that logical there 'is', that it has, and there isnt an absence, as in 0 and 1, like when results for aids were positive. In positive punishment, there is a method of punishment, and it differs from negative punishment. Punishment is a nurture. Again, dont use the common sense definition. (c)
@sarahsoriano17 (c) its a scientific definition. Nurturing means that society conditioned her, not that society was a 'good mother'. She was nurtured because someone told her what she could do and what she couldnt, and she interacted with this someone, who tied her to a chair and tell her not to yell, and, you know. She was called 'wild child' by the media, and you know how the media is, talking about terrorists, all so sensationalist, it doesnt make it scientific if you make a tv poll.
Why is everyone being so politically correct on here? Calling Genie and Victor 'wild children' wouldn't hurt their feelings. They were wild, they new nothing about how to be civilised. I'd call that wild. It's the truth.
Its sad that back then these kids {who are probably only autistic not retarded} were throw away like trash. They could learn just not the things WE as "normal" people would learn or not HOW we learn. Its gross to think the girls mother got her back. Idc if your in a wheel chair, that bastard husband had to sleep some time and when he did as a mom Id make damn sure he didnt wake up.
I believe that because of the timing of when this happened, the doctors might of been a little hard on genee, continually studying her and having more and more doctors introduced. She should of had a foster home immediately and had the study conducted from there so that she would have a stable environment.
You people are too hung up on the names and titles. I think serves only to simplify this complex issue. The things some sick people do to children is beyond any ugly word to describe.
I somewhat agree with you @victorinast or whatever it is... I think something like deprived or neglected, but genie is not wild and I really do not care for "bunny walk" I sit for 30 minutes and I walk funny... Imagine 10 years!!
I think you're only thinking of the word as an insult like it is used in today's culture. but savage just means uncivilized person. I don't think he meant it to be an insult. he just meant the boy had never known civilization.
@sunainahussain Thats right expand government control on language. That is obviously the best solution to your issue with the creators of this documentary not bending to your will.
@sunainahussain I think the point they're trying to convey is the assumption that this is human behavior as it would be "in the wild". As in, when removed from society, which has developed and evolved since the beginning of our species, this is raw human nature.
@sunainahussain I really think it's just for the title's sake. "Secret of the Misunderstood, Tortured and Different Child" doesn't really have the same ring to it.
@sunainahussain Itard published his journal called "L'enfant sauvage de l'Aveyron" which had his notes on Victor. The french word "sauvage" comes from the latin word "silvaticus" which means "of the woods;" and silvaticus comes from the Latin word "silva" meaning "the wood." It was only when it was translated that Victor became "The Wild Child" because that's literally what "L'enfant sauvage" means in French. This documentary takes the name because of the coincidence of the Truffaut film.
@sunainahussain Lets just make everything illegal while we are at it. Its a word get over it. Your thinking process is exactly what is wrong w/ society. You are offended over the slightest thing hence lets make it illegal.
@sunainahussain that really is true and i do feel for such children...however, i find them to be facinating and utterly hilarious. The stories seem so exaggerated, i mean with the Gazelle Boy; he OUTRAN a JEEP!!!!! and poor Oxanna(how ever its spelt) BARKING, im sorry, i almost wet my pants laughing. I know its uncouth behaviour, but alas, i cant stop myself. Perhaps im now a feral child
@sunainahussain you might want to read more about these kind of children before 'judging' the title. these children are often referred to as feral children.they have umbrella'ed all cases of children growing up without human interacting (or lack) as feral children. because in old ages there were more stories of children literally raised in the wild raised by the care of wildlive. these children as well as those raised in interaction react in raw feral ways.
@sunainahussain They are called Wild Children metaphoricly... Wild children are children "raised" by animals sort of to say (like Mogli). Meaning they are severely deprived by human contact,affection, care etc like they were raised by real animals...
I'm confused as to why the term "wild child" would have a negative implication for anyone. The term "wild child" or "feral child" has been used to describe children kept in isolation from society for years, mostly because as a result, they act wild and uncivilized compared to their peers. The term "savage" is just a synonym for "wild". I think you're thinking of the term "savage" to mean "barbaric", as it was used in colonization of other lands.
It's kind of weird that, in looking for information on her family, they never mention or address Genie's brother. He was 18 when Genie was discovered and had recently left home. He suffered terrible abuse, too, but unlike Genie, he was normally socialized. Well, relatively speaking.
oh yeh, he was beaten aswell and threatened constantly with a gun by the mad father. But he wasn't locked up, he went to school I guess.
They thought the girl may have had learning dificulties of some sort ater visiting "one" doctor. It may have just been delayed development, nothing wrong with her at all in the first place. but the dad got it into his mad head that they'd take her away. so he locked her up. it would have been better if she'd been taken far away from them
OH .. guess they were still using the "retard" word back then ...
peterfranken23 1 day ago
SHE'S SO BEAUTIFUL ;__;
angelyoongnie 5 days ago
wooow how can ppl dislike this video, 7 ppl are wife and children beaters
drakemaster22 1 week ago
"Her father thought she was retarded, so he decided to keep her isolated". Ok, so that makes her... less retarded?
I think the father is the one who was retarded, eh? Thumbs up!
Fucking idiots.
Bamseskutt 2 weeks ago 7
It kind of pisses me off how they talk about them like they're animals...
briaweea02 2 weeks ago 7
The part about the doctor taking a 12 year old's clothes off..
nicolexlee 3 weeks ago 3
I mean animals are basically just that.
shackafaggot 3 weeks ago
What I take from this is that we aren't nothing much but big blobs of organs governed by brain cells shaped by genetic and environmental factors. Great.
shackafaggot 3 weeks ago 2
just found about Genie story and the boy from 1800 story today while reading my sociology book
crazy4GMH 4 weeks ago
She looks like Cher's smart sister
ToastedRose 1 month ago 3
They should have let James Kent adopt her.
misspinkpunkykat 1 month ago
The worst part is that her story doesn't have any sort of happy ending. ): (I wiki-ed it)
silverysnow92 1 month ago 4
I think she said "Dah", not 'nyah'.
oleanderbrew 1 month ago
its like the hunchback of notredam o:
FateMan22 1 month ago
This is gold for psychology students... true story.
DangaricProductions 2 months ago 5
am i the only person who saw the face in the tree at @3:58
megapocalypt 2 months ago
I found 1:50 heartwarming and cute of her :)
mawenick 2 months ago
Its so sad to hear cruel society is
acre1993 3 months ago
U give people a label they act like the label Genie's no different from any of us...she was just neglected in extreme case and abused she needs love affection attention dont treat her like a damn experiment just give her love...no need to analyze like crazy then u make her feel like she's different.
nerdforeverchick 3 months ago
@nerdforeverchick No. The psychologists and researchers were trying to help her develop. Moreover, because cases of this magnitude are so incredibly rare and cannot be replicated in a laboratory setting (due to obvious ethical issues), it can provide a wealth of information that can better our understanding of many concepts such as the effects of isolation on cognition and behaviour. These 'labels' are just a convenient way of grouping common symptoms for an ailment, nothing more.
MistrEgg 3 months ago
@nerdforeverchick You are 100% right. I read a book about her called, "Genie: A Scientific Tragedy". It chronicled how abusive their research was. A sweet cook at the hospital she was taken to when she was removed from her home was asked by the research team, "So, Genie responds well to your intrasupportive initiatives?" He replied, "I just gives her love." He had the right idea. The rest of them (except Shurely and Butler) were kooks.
annagitana1 2 months ago
...but on the other hand a rehabilitation effort should never be left in half. This was unfortunately what happened with Genie, whose progress had been slow but steady.
And this is even more shocking and saddening when we know that Genie, by everyone's admission a very "feeling" and emotional girl, would spend whole days crying herself off after she moved to the first post-research foster home. At least Susan Curtiss tried everything she could to stop this, but alone she couldn't do much. :(
mesfern 4 months ago
This stuff is really depressing... :l
HeiHolaHello 4 months ago
More than her lack of grammar, Genie's peculiar phonetics did make her at times not so easy to understand. "Doctor" would sound like "tight", "girl" like "twirl", "hospital" like "appeal"...only the well-acquainted with her mannerisms would readily know what she meant.
Anyway, articulate or not, one can't stop wondering how could so many bad things have happened to such a sweet-looking girl...
mesfern 4 months ago
@mesfern that's what I have been asking...WHY? People used her as an experiment and after there was nothing to learn from her...they threw her away..giving her no chance to attach to someone! It is society's fault. They failed her.
romeostruedude 4 months ago
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I believe we shouldn't romanticise Genie's case and believe that love alone would do the trick. When she was discovered, no doubts Genie was in a terribly desperate state. She didn't even know how to interpret the most basic gestures, like pointing with the finger, which only shows the impossible extent of neglect and abuse she had suffered. So, we couldn't expect to rehabilitate her without a good deal of scientific testing and observation.
mesfern 4 months ago
@Karengreen176 and in what sense has he been forgiven ? should i forgive him for locking a child in a room for most of her childhood life, not allowing her to have human contact with anyone because he thought she was mentally disabled ? it seems to me that instead of him facing up to his sins, he took the easy way out to ignore his sins and to not face up to what he has done to his own daughter.
fee0hnaa 4 months ago
@fee0hnaa iam sure that dude got what he got in hell unless He has looked into his soul and see's that he is sorry for what he did...I am sure the man Genie's dad was mentally ill...he killed all his children previously
nerdforeverchick 3 months ago
@fee0hnaa It's the people who do these awful things who are the most in need of forgiveness.
NeverDoubt1 1 month ago
@NeverDoubt1 Nope. They should rot in hell for all eternity.
a1stooge 1 month ago
@a1stooge With that way of thinking, forgiveness might as well not exist at all.
NeverDoubt1 1 month ago
This basters used this girl as a test subject fockers
SuperSkeem 4 months ago
her father shot himself when they found his beautiful child,
what a coward
not a real man at all
hope he rots in hell
fee0hnaa 5 months ago 12
@fee0hnaa If you're a christian, shouldn't you be praying that he has been forgiven and is in heaven? Isn't there more joy in heaven for one repentant sinner than a single virtuous man?
Karengreen176 4 months ago
poor girl....the world is so cruel..especially in the treatment of children... i cant stop crying when i watch this..everyone took advantage of her frailty and then dropped her off like nothing when interest was lost... shame on them..i shame them..
n0rtycup1d 5 months ago 7
@n0rtycup1d I know, I can't believe these people can even bear to show their faces, let alone brazenly given interviews. If it was me, I'd be so ashamed. For all the "care" they showed, they sure gave up on her.
roxyqueen2 4 months ago 2
is that mr rodgers? 6:30
omgitsstars 5 months ago
the saddest part is that she is unlike other feral children; they lacked being civilized but they were socialized with other animals. genie lacked both being abused, neglected, and completely isolated from any sort of society :(
MsMaphia 5 months ago
cry sesh
RussianAssassin21 5 months ago
I feel so sorry for this kid. If they hadnt given up on her then she could have had a normal life. she could have been a normal kid with a normal social life but becasue of this man she had neither. Terrible man :@
Emzicalz 5 months ago 4
i didnt know sarah jessica parker was a scientist
ryan01uk 5 months ago 62
This breaks my heart, poor soul
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pffff OMG I saw her panties tihihihihihi
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Giostahm 6 months ago
@Giostahm SO AM I!
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jbiancads 6 months ago
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WeCraftStuff 6 months ago
"NYA!" "Genie said the word doctor"... wait what?
LootableCorpse 6 months ago 232
@LootableCorpse Im sure in Chinese or some other heathen languages Ni-ya probably means doctor... think about it
osalcido85 4 months ago
@LootableCorpse LMFAOOOOOOO
SagiiPooh 4 months ago
@LootableCorpse she said "Dah". The way a baby would when first learning words. For example my first word was "Ty" because I was trying to say my brothers name (Tyler).
Frost894 3 weeks ago
@LootableCorpse I was eating a piece of pizza while watching this with my brother. At about 8 min in I looked down and seen your comment. I started laughing so hard, I choked and a pizza flew out my nose. My brother freaking out asked if I was ok. All I could do was point to your comment! We were thinking the same thing, just didn't want to say it! Thanks for the Epic laugh!
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@bigmama7797 Same here (minus the pizza). I know this is a very sad and serious case, but that was hilarious, mostly because of the narrator.
TheMasterSlasher 2 weeks ago
From my experience with severe developmental disability and from what I read about Genie, I'd say that she would be one of the most unusual cases of congenital mental "retardation" in history. It would be much more plausible to think just the opposite, that is, given a fair course at life, Genie would prove to be a very gifted child. And let's not forget that Genie got some of the highest scores ever in spatial intelligence tests such as the Mooney Face Test or the Nebes Arc and Circle.
mesfern 7 months ago 3
i think she was originally born normal, but even if she was "retarded", i worked in a home w/ people of severely low iq's. "retarded" doesn't mean stupid. severe abuse and isolation damages a developing mind. there are studies now that show that even functioning people that were abused as children, their brainwaves do not function like "normal" people.
ajlee35 7 months ago
yeah god damn doctors... they are all god damn retards who seek for chances from her.
prsguitar22 8 months ago
As demonstrated in the comments here, we are now entering the age of digression.
kerflop 8 months ago 3
stupid doctors
they didnt care, because it wasnt their child, they didnt give her love that she never had... they were also negligent
rockisbetter 9 months ago
where/what is she nowadays?
oN1NJ4o 9 months ago
She is so adorable.
I want her as a little sister to teach her the world
PitaBreadPeetah 9 months ago
what she needs most is love thats what us humans want and especially babies thats what she missed love and relationship i would just hug her and love her she has to kno that her parents are bad people and she isntt
wagz420 9 months ago
The doctors name is etard lol
oniazuma5 9 months ago
her father decided she was retarded
mattyy101 9 months ago
i wish we could just hear about the great things that has happened and could have happened for this unique child. its so sad she was surrounded by such tragic circumstances. tugs the strings of my heart.
jimmyredpant 9 months ago
OMG such a beautiful little girl how could some one do that to there own child.
layccie1992 9 months ago 4
hm, I was fairly certain Victor of Aveyron was outed as a hoax awhile ago.
ilovepuroland 10 months ago
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MsROFLmyWAFFLE 9 months ago
she was physically abused in the foster homes too
ssips720 10 months ago
to kill a mockingbird music is surprisingly fitting
NateMulder 10 months ago
oh my god , her family what kind of people ?
I feel sorry about her .!!!!
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abeeraa44 10 months ago 2
I guess freedom of speech should be illegal as-well ?
jajkic0732 11 months ago
i saw the movie mocking bird dont sing...words couldnt describe what the girl went though if i was the mother i would have killed the husband to stop him
pippy3550 11 months ago
where is genie now?
sheagalea 11 months ago 10
@sheagalea i would love to know if anyone does let us know
pippy3550 11 months ago
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acorrding to my psy prof, her mom put her in a children's home, and didnt release the info to the public about her wereabouts, thus, gene could be anywhere, nobody really knows!
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The only reason "retarded" became offensive is that people starting using it as an insult, instead of using it to describe those who really are retarded. It used to be the socially acceptable term, with the alternatives being "an idiot" or "stupid." Those two words fell out of use for the same reason as "retarded." Retarded just means slow. The problem is the way intellectually "normal" people place a stigma on people with disabilities. They don't know "retarded" is a "bad word" until.......
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(continued) ....until) they learn that it's a "bad word." To a lesser degree, it's like some people use the word "black" (for skin color) or "ginger" (for hair color), and the only reason the words have any negative connotation at all is that the insulted allow it. Retarded people, on the other hand, usually don't care. It's as if they're above it, and the rest of us are too bogged down in what we think is actually important to realize how petty we are.....
AmaindeJH 11 months ago
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(continued)... "mentally retarded" IS the technically correct term for mentally challenged. I personally prefer to use the term "differently abled" but the fact remains that the word "retarded" has no negative connotation when used appropriately. Stop using it as an insult, and you wouldn't think it's offensive.
AmaindeJH 11 months ago
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AmaindeJH 11 months ago
why cant they just say mentally challenged instead of retarded?
axingurl81 1 year ago
@axingurl81
because "mentally challenged" isnt suiting. every person in the world can face a mental challenge, whether its math or sudoku or language or even simply just functioning.
lawnmowerface 1 year ago
@axingurl81 because she was, just that in society we use it the wrong way, we use it to insult someone.
21jayjayy 11 months ago
1:55 Yogi Bear!
Canuka 1 year ago 2
she is not wild in any way,shape or form...
herohezza 1 year ago 3
fhdbdhbKJznxm good job! she said docter!
ledramaticscene 1 year ago
I had goosebumps while watching it :( how can parents be so inhumane?
no1supernaturalfan 1 year ago 2
oooh my god I remember reading a childrens book in french when I was little about Victor. I never knew that was actually a true story!
This so so so so so so sad.
dancelikeacrazyfreak 1 year ago
@dancelikeacrazyfreak ME TOO! i remember that book about the wild boy, but i thought it was made up!
handbrakemaster 1 year ago
sooooooooooooooooo sad(understatement) yet so interesting...
blisteringcold 1 year ago
This story truly, trulty touched me and lets think about everything that has gone on since then. i hope that a story like this will inspire people to step up to the plate when they see any kind of abuse happen because you never know what is happening behind the door of a childs home, if you are not an abuser then you will agree and if you are you are probably thinking that you wouldnt want people in your business, save our future who are our children.
luvlyhyna 1 year ago
I like Genie, I hate her parents..Im glad her father shot himself, I hope it hurt, I hope it hurt alot...I hope Genie is doing well, that she finds love and caring...Poor Genie, poor poor Genie, Did I mention I hate her parents...I wish I could have shot them both....in the face..twice
Kalocals 1 year ago
@Kalocals I am sure with you on that
smithandrewj 1 year ago
i think jenie is smart :D
kittypinkpowerlove 1 year ago
They don't mention her poor brother at all.
shirleygene 1 year ago
@shirleygene he had a normal life?
LucieMarieRudge 1 year ago
@LucieMarieRudge
He was also horribly abused by his father, not locked to a potty chair, but seriously abused nonetheless. I just noticed they mention her mother and her father, but not her brother, like he isn't worth a single sentence.
shirleygene 1 year ago
Think someone hacked my account, strange.
deathly809 1 year ago
Her father did justice on himself when he shot himself. I'm sorry for saying this but how can a person do that? It's inhuman.
xPorcelainLolitax 1 year ago
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deathly809 1 year ago
@deathly809 do you even know what you're talking about? this person's brain and development course has been irreparably damaged to the point where the line between human and animal is so vague it no longer exists. just because they are "human" in for does in no respect imply they can function as one. get over your emotions and think about the science behind it. who are you even standing up for? this being never has and never will serve a function in human society.
Cukumuye 1 year ago
@deathly809 we can try and fix her and pretend we're serving a greater cause by doing so, but in reality, she knows no difference. she will live and then die. just like any other creature. it serves no greater purpose to deem her human. we're merely trying to assimilate a lost cause into a social setting which requires no need of her.
Cukumuye 1 year ago
@Cukumuye
Let's give up on everyone then, shall we? >_>
People didn't try to assimilate her so she'd "serve a function" but merely to do some justice and out of compassion. And, of course, because of science.
xPorcelainLolitax 1 year ago
This is so sad. To think that someone could be that affected by something like this. She isnt even HUMAN!
babyymonaia 1 year ago
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deathly809 1 year ago
fuck, fuck, fuck. i hate that this even happened, but only if they hadn't given up on her. if only they kept funding, she could be somewhat functional today. but, fuck. she was abused even more in her foster homes. this poor human existence. i think we should all think twice about complaining about our parents next time, because no matter how shitty they are at times, they would never do something like this to you.
AlphabetSoupCircus 1 year ago 125
@AlphabetSoupCircus right on! I could not agree more!
Missrainbowmuffin 1 year ago
@AlphabetSoupCircus logical fallacy to say that others do not have the right to complain because someone else had it worse (MUCH, MUCH worse)
sharpezor 6 months ago 2
also, nor she is useful for the critical period theory, for the same reason
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@omgtkseth
Actually, she was. The critical period theory states that there is an ideal window of time in which a child learns language, or else it can be impossible. Genie never truly acquired language like a typically developing child. She had a few words, but never acquired grammar. It lends support to theory. Other feral children younger than Genie have acquired language, but at 13, she could not.
monny287 1 year ago
@monny287 no, that doesnt mean she was a wild child, kid, are you that stupid?? its like saying a kid never learned to perfect pitch so he is 'wild'. i know what the critical period says, but that is JUST language, it doesnt mean she is wild. perfect pitch is virtually natural at young age like language, and can become virtually impossible to learn by most, but thats not social interaction, being exposed to language or deprived from it isnt the key element in wild and feral children,
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@omgtkseth
I never said that was the reason she was a feral child. The term simply means she was raised outside the confines of civilized society. I was responding to your comment that she was not helpful for the critical period theory. Genie's progress suggest that there IS a critical window of time for children to learn language. Not speech, which is just the act of making words, but language--grammar, syntax, etc. Given that she learned words but not grammar, she is in support of that.
monny287 1 year ago
@monny287 I dont believe she is of use to this theory, because there is a great difference between a potential being 'unused' or there being and opposite force of the potential drowning it down. In a matter of sense, she was taught not to learn, so its not like we can be sure that the frame was closed because of the time, because theres evidence that it could have been closed by her parent's interaction. I thought you were talking about ferals, and we are all kids, dont be an ass, kid =p
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@omgtkseth
She was not "taught not to learn"; humans learn naturally and insitinctively, you can't shut that off. When she was removed from the home, she began learning things immediately, without anyone having to "teach" her to learn. But I agree; there are many unknowns about Genie: the effect of her abuse on her brain, whether she had some sort of intellectual disability from birth, etc.
monny287 1 year ago
@omgtkseth
And for the record, I am not "kid". I am in my third year of college earning my degree in child development and live these concepts every day. And what you said about perfect pitch made absolutely no sense.
monny287 1 year ago
genie is of no use to the nature vs nurture. why? because genie wasnt 'wild'. she was conditioned because her father beat her, she was conditioned, she was molded, punished, negatively nurtured through positive punishment.
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@omgtkseth she was a wild child. how is punishment positive in any way? she didnt walk properly, she hardly spoke at all and she didnt know how to show any emotion other than fear. these facts are what make her a "wild child" there was no nurture there at all
sarahsoriano17 1 year ago
@sarahsoriano17 Wild child implies she wasnt nurtured and cultured, and that only instincts are present in the child. But she was nurtured and cultured, not to the social standards, but in a cruel way. She had contact with humans, and she learned from them, she didnt grow without a culture, she grew with a prisoner's culture, cruel nurturing. His father beat her when she talked and things, that is conditioning her, nurturing. Maybe you should check for definitions, because (continued)
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@sarahsoriano17 (continued) because positive punishment and nurturing are psychological terms, and you are interpreting it with different semantics. Positive, in science, doesnt mean 'good', it means that logical there 'is', that it has, and there isnt an absence, as in 0 and 1, like when results for aids were positive. In positive punishment, there is a method of punishment, and it differs from negative punishment. Punishment is a nurture. Again, dont use the common sense definition. (c)
omgtkseth 1 year ago
@sarahsoriano17 (c) its a scientific definition. Nurturing means that society conditioned her, not that society was a 'good mother'. She was nurtured because someone told her what she could do and what she couldnt, and she interacted with this someone, who tied her to a chair and tell her not to yell, and, you know. She was called 'wild child' by the media, and you know how the media is, talking about terrorists, all so sensationalist, it doesnt make it scientific if you make a tv poll.
omgtkseth 1 year ago
Why is everyone being so politically correct on here? Calling Genie and Victor 'wild children' wouldn't hurt their feelings. They were wild, they new nothing about how to be civilised. I'd call that wild. It's the truth.
Bibbabble 1 year ago
Its sad that back then these kids {who are probably only autistic not retarded} were throw away like trash. They could learn just not the things WE as "normal" people would learn or not HOW we learn. Its gross to think the girls mother got her back. Idc if your in a wheel chair, that bastard husband had to sleep some time and when he did as a mom Id make damn sure he didnt wake up.
Neesharani 1 year ago
Or was she retarded from birth?
SuperHurra 1 year ago
I believe that because of the timing of when this happened, the doctors might of been a little hard on genee, continually studying her and having more and more doctors introduced. She should of had a foster home immediately and had the study conducted from there so that she would have a stable environment.
EWilsonLife 1 year ago 3
@EWilsonLife what do you mean when you say 'the timing of when this happened'?
jakeyb25 2 months ago
did the mother get her back, cuz If so that is just fucking ridiculous
aricept12 1 year ago
@aricept12
Yes she did regain custody of Genie in the late 1970s.
xxCandiieApple 1 year ago
@aricept12 To be honest, the mother was just as oppressed as genie, it was purely the father.
LongLiveAndros 1 year ago 3
This isn't W.A.S.P...
sweet518 1 year ago
I don't think the children mind that they call them wild child. These people make her life so much better than it was.
anne08122 1 year ago
@anne08122
Well, guess what? Her mother fought and now the doctors can never, and HAVE never, seen Genie again.
GamerWii312 1 year ago
You people are too hung up on the names and titles. I think serves only to simplify this complex issue. The things some sick people do to children is beyond any ugly word to describe.
emmthreejonny 1 year ago 14
@ValentinaSt
mcbeaz 1 year ago
I somewhat agree with you @victorinast or whatever it is... I think something like deprived or neglected, but genie is not wild and I really do not care for "bunny walk" I sit for 30 minutes and I walk funny... Imagine 10 years!!
mcbeaz 1 year ago
I still don't understand why they couldn't get her originial records from her DR from when she was a baby.
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Naore12 1 year ago
7:17 - 8:08 reminds me of a scene with the french waiter in Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life."
strushkathell 1 year ago
@valentinast
my names valentina too! :)
iAquaSapphire 1 year ago
it's bad enough that they keep calling Genie and Victor a wild girl or a wild boy.
but that man actually refers Victor as savage while smiling!! what the hell is wrong with that man?!!!!
ValentinaSt 1 year ago
@ValentinaSt
I think you're only thinking of the word as an insult like it is used in today's culture. but savage just means uncivilized person. I don't think he meant it to be an insult. he just meant the boy had never known civilization.
Naore12 1 year ago
@ValentinaSt Both titles are unfitting and should be made illegal. They're not wild, they're misunderstood, tortured and different.
sunainahussain 1 year ago 102
@sunainahussain what? yes they are, wild doesn't have a negative connotation
ebonyflesh69 1 year ago
@sunainahussain Thats right expand government control on language. That is obviously the best solution to your issue with the creators of this documentary not bending to your will.
mickD87 1 year ago
@sunainahussain shut the fuck up.
Cukumuye 1 year ago
@Cukumuye Why should they shut up? What they said makes sence.
ALSmaniac1 1 year ago
@sunainahussain I think the point they're trying to convey is the assumption that this is human behavior as it would be "in the wild". As in, when removed from society, which has developed and evolved since the beginning of our species, this is raw human nature.
Though, it does seem a little demeaning...
PocketDrummer 1 year ago 5
@sunainahussain I really think it's just for the title's sake. "Secret of the Misunderstood, Tortured and Different Child" doesn't really have the same ring to it.
DetonationImminent 1 year ago 5
@sunainahussain Itard published his journal called "L'enfant sauvage de l'Aveyron" which had his notes on Victor. The french word "sauvage" comes from the latin word "silvaticus" which means "of the woods;" and silvaticus comes from the Latin word "silva" meaning "the wood." It was only when it was translated that Victor became "The Wild Child" because that's literally what "L'enfant sauvage" means in French. This documentary takes the name because of the coincidence of the Truffaut film.
Goodatconnect4 1 year ago
@sunainahussain They mean that because she is not civilized. She has never been a part of society.
Canuka 1 year ago
@Canuka Good to see a smart person who understands the way words apply to a context. Cheers!
RockSchooled 1 year ago
@sunainahussain That's not what is meant by wild in this case, check the dictionary.
RockSchooled 1 year ago
@sunainahussain Lets just make everything illegal while we are at it. Its a word get over it. Your thinking process is exactly what is wrong w/ society. You are offended over the slightest thing hence lets make it illegal.
madmiles 1 year ago 125
@madmiles Relax. Take a few seconds to check out sunainahussain's profile. They are 14 years old. A lot of us tend to be ideological at that age.
Although if they were 3 or more years older, I'd totally find myself agreeing with you hands down.
Onirayushizobura 10 months ago
@sunainahussain that really is true and i do feel for such children...however, i find them to be facinating and utterly hilarious. The stories seem so exaggerated, i mean with the Gazelle Boy; he OUTRAN a JEEP!!!!! and poor Oxanna(how ever its spelt) BARKING, im sorry, i almost wet my pants laughing. I know its uncouth behaviour, but alas, i cant stop myself. Perhaps im now a feral child
capitnox 11 months ago
@sunainahussain you might want to read more about these kind of children before 'judging' the title. these children are often referred to as feral children.they have umbrella'ed all cases of children growing up without human interacting (or lack) as feral children. because in old ages there were more stories of children literally raised in the wild raised by the care of wildlive. these children as well as those raised in interaction react in raw feral ways.
heleendr 10 months ago
@sunainahussain Shut up retard.
derpestarzt 10 months ago
@sunainahussain They are called Wild Children metaphoricly... Wild children are children "raised" by animals sort of to say (like Mogli). Meaning they are severely deprived by human contact,affection, care etc like they were raised by real animals...
dimsolomou 9 months ago
@ValentinaSt
I'm confused as to why the term "wild child" would have a negative implication for anyone. The term "wild child" or "feral child" has been used to describe children kept in isolation from society for years, mostly because as a result, they act wild and uncivilized compared to their peers. The term "savage" is just a synonym for "wild". I think you're thinking of the term "savage" to mean "barbaric", as it was used in colonization of other lands.
monny287 1 year ago
poor girl
chickitygurl 1 year ago
It's kind of weird that, in looking for information on her family, they never mention or address Genie's brother. He was 18 when Genie was discovered and had recently left home. He suffered terrible abuse, too, but unlike Genie, he was normally socialized. Well, relatively speaking.
nopedamnit 1 year ago 2
@nopedamnit
oh yeh, he was beaten aswell and threatened constantly with a gun by the mad father. But he wasn't locked up, he went to school I guess.
They thought the girl may have had learning dificulties of some sort ater visiting "one" doctor. It may have just been delayed development, nothing wrong with her at all in the first place. but the dad got it into his mad head that they'd take her away. so he locked her up. it would have been better if she'd been taken far away from them
Rowan07001484 1 year ago