I dont care what the russians say that is the coolest looking cobra i have ever seen, probably because the aircraft doing it looks completely flawless.
Don't know how I ended up here. Being a pacifist at heart but a realist in my mind surfing You Tube. But I must say, even though this is instruments ow war, it is a ballet of the skies they are performing, the shape of the aircraft is beautiful and... the music fits perfectly.
"Today, the US and Russian governments reveled their new flying toys. Now, let's go to Sweden and turn the clock back 30 or so years. Oh look!, there they are, 30 years in the past! Amazing! Absolutely stunning "
Don't mean anything by it, it's just the thought that went on in my mind when i saw the latest generation jet fighters.
I had the pleasure of watching this come in at F-21 in Luleå (North part of sweden) and make a full loop and some turns and rolls before landing.. Absolutely a beutifull and spectacular aircraft!
Looking forward to watch it fly at the airshow on sunday :)
@adert666 Tror att eftersom planet gör manövern i så pass hög hastighet, hinner det inte sakta ner tillräckligt för att kunna stalla. Draken är ett av enstaka plan som klarar av denna manöver. Respekt! =)
well, it is nothing new to see a delta winged plane to preform a cobra manouvre. Many delta-winged planes preformed it but only at high altitutes. The reason why the Russians are given credentials for "making the first" cobra maneouvre is that before Pugachev and his Su-27, no convencional-winged plane was able to preform such a manouvre, without thrust vectoring.
The Draken is one hell of a plane and I am very proud of myself to have seen the last operational flight of the drakens in Austria
@slartibartifast9 bro the statement you made about the cobra is incorrect... John Boyd, the man responsible for the creation of the F-16 would do a maneuver that had no name to it but, pilots flat out say it was a cobra. He was also doing this in the 70's during training sessions where Boyd did the cobra but, he called it"flat plating the bird". Search John Boyd The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
by Robert Coram. He discusses it in there and yes Boyd did it before the Russians
The worlds most beatiful plane ever, removed from service due to economic cuts. Its so sad to look at them flying, they'll never fly in the Swedish Air Force again, but still beatiful :')
I grew up watching the draken on airshows with my father. And it was love at first sight! 27 years later and im still in love with it. A fighter isnt supposed to be pretty, but theres an old saying that if it looks good it will fly good.
There are many cool stories about the plane aswell, most of them about the toughness of the design.
Snyggaste planet nånsin. Vad var det med delta-vingarna som gjorde att man slutade producera dem? Har för mig att det hade någon negativ effekt på styrningen eller dylikt.
@Dorkus89Malorkus Man kan väl anta att den stora vingarean längdmässigt gör det ganska "trögstyrt", samt att det, då det har rätt smala vingar, inte får så stort moment på roll-ledden då skevrodren sitter rätt nära kroppen. Men det är bara gissningar från min sida.
What you people fail to realize, is this aircraft is over 50 years old. No, it can't do the "Russian" "Cobra" maneuver, but then again this aircraft wasn't designed or built in the 90's like the famed Su37/47, or more recently the F-22/T-50. It has no canards or directional thrust. The J35 Draken is a magnificent, beautiful aircraft, and for taking to the air in 1955, has AMAZING capabilities and performance. One of the greatest aircraft ever developed. <3 J35
@kinohare Yes, I was told by a pilot that it was the best plane that he ever flown. And he's been through J35, JA37 and JAS39. He said that once you learned this aircraft there was nothing you couldn't do. He even did 'handbrake" turns when he landed it.
@kinohare Pugachev's Cobra was invented in late 70s on Su-27. Without any thrust vectoring. But it is great that this old hardware is capable of good stunts.
Respect! Draken was a very advanced plane and i love its shape.
And yes, we respect the Swedes. They had been here in the south of Germany. Fierce soldiers fighting the Catolic troops of General Tilly around 1630 ;-))
Sk 35C is the leightest version of all Drakens. As it has no radar or weapon installation she's the fastest of all Draken versions. The Draken trainer was built from the first manufactured J 35A's. And I can tell you that you'll be able to see an Sk 35C in the air again in the future. There is one preserved at the AFB F 7 Såtenäs and she will be an object for restoration. The fuselage of Sk 35C is well used and at least 60 years old. :-)
@tttarek - I disagree. Look at 1:50... he hardly travels upward at all. Even a Sukhoi makes the same upward travel when doing this... it's part of the aerodynamics. Doesn't matter what airplane we're talking about, it's going to go upward for a second, because the body of the aircraft deflects airflow downward even if the wing is entirely stalled.
Can we stop being obsessed with the "Cobra?" Impressive, yes, but tactically insignificant.
@tttarek Actually, the cobra manueuver was between 1:54 and 1:57. The following attempts were just that...attempts. This is pilots in training (it's the two-seater trainer version in the vid), so you can't expect them to nail it :)
@tttarek You must be such a pro in this matter due to your expert comments.... The video shows how it´s made and who did it first..... Deal with it...
@SgtDrDeath Proper translation isn't dragon, it's kite. It's a great name by the way, it kind of looks like a kite and it's not as cheesy as most airplane names are.
@Katjing "Drake" in Swedish is both translated into "kite" and "dragon" and my guess is that the ones who named it didn't have a flimsy sheet of paper in mind...
@siemenstraffic >I´ve seen that move to, fly in 45 angel the pilot open the cockpit and wave to the croud, close the pit and thrust away.. But I´ve saw a succésfully made the cobra move with a Gripen.. Both know and realise the risks with the manuver, sometimes the unexpected happens..
Since these are the two-seat trainer version the students are probably just learning to handle super-stall.
None of the Draken prototypes were lost during development with expert pilots in control, but once active duty started a number of aircraft were lost when regular pilots couldn't handle super-stall. No alteration to the aircraft were made but training for the pilots was expanded as we see here..
As an aircraft enthusiast I`ve seen a fair amount of aircrafts in my life, and I have to say that the J-35 Draken Is the most beautiful JET fighter ever built. I can watch It from any angle and still find It stunning...Its even more beautful as a two seater!
swedish jets are one more reason to admire sweden and its people. I wish my country - Bulgaria - had the money to buy JAS 39 Grippen, but I bet we'll order the F-16 instead... Still until the contract is signed nothing is sure so I hope our military takes the right decision and secure our skies with the thunder of Thor. :)
@siemenstraffic It all depends on how that fly-by-wire flight computer is programmed. Technically the Gripen can do this maneuver and many more, but it depends on the software installed and not the aerodynamic properties of the aircraft itself.
Most fly-by-wire computers actually limit the aircraft. The aerodynamic properties define whether or not the aircraft with stall and lose control at that angle of attack. Pilots performing Cobra's in the original Su-27's had to turn the limiters off to achieve the maneuver.
@flashpeter625 It is the paper dragon in english "Kite" that have named the airplan. I know firebreathing fantacy beast are cool but the name cames from how the plane looks similar a kite in its forms then veiw it from abow angle.
Hoo-ray for SME! Wonderful job of once again poking thier noses into peoples personal lives for no reason and pushing them around! Mean bunch, ain't they? Almost as wrose as the dreaded Viacom goons.
Designed in the schuberts..... ok... but was it really the best aircrafr of the times.... everyone said that the swedes ere so afraid of an attack that they must engage defense.....
@siemenstraffic Still miss the old tune, it really fitted.. :) But I'm looking forward to a re-edition, if you feel it will improve!! I keep coming back to this video as I plan to build a 2-seat Draken in the near future, and want to get it reasonably right.. and what's a better reference than the real thing in action! :) By the way, the 'Swedish Cobra' is a topic for some discussion, some people tend to get a bit 'upset', but to me it sure looks like the real thing.. :) :)
@siemenstraffic Don't! I was just thinking about writing how I liked the music before I read thees comments. Better than all I've heard on any of this kind of vids. Got an "airy" feeling to it. :) BTW, I consider myself a "pacifist realist"... I don't really care for war machines, but I wouldn't say that a unilateral disarmament would work either, and I definitely can enjoy a beautiful aircraft in a serene scene.
A cobra maneuver is a sudden change in Angle of Attack from 0 degrees (straight and level flight) to above 100 degrees, I believe. This was damn close, as the plane definitely went to at least 90 and back. Got to love it coming from a plane as 'primitive' as the Draken.
by the way the only thing i hated about the swdish air force was the fact my first appt was on froson and my appt was right in the line of the planes coming home from maneuvers each morning would wake me at about 6 or 7 am and I would feel my bed shake lol...or maybe that was from some swedish flicka that I took home the night before from the garden or after 8. clubs lol sweden rocks and swedish people rock. thanks to all the swedish people I worked with or made friends with. your the best :)))
Wonderful aircraft. Miss them in the danish skies. We had them in Denmark from 73-96. By far the loudest of our fighters compared to F-104 and (the almost silent!!)F-16.
hahaha what, no it wasn't the first to make mach 2+ and it certainly wasn't designed to nuke russia, it was designed as a short range interceptor and couldn't have carried a nuke even if sweden had developed one
@siemenstraffic Think you have the possibility to restore the sound from the startup? As an old Draken squire, that characteristic sound makes me all nostalgic. :)
@mkarnerfors The video has to be reedit then, so the song whit Mr. Mr. Broken Wings is removed. Sony Music Entertainment force me to use this classic song!
@siemenstraffic Think you have the possibility to restore the sound from the startup? As an old Draken squire, that characteristic sound makes me all nostalgic. :)
Call me silly, but the Draken and the EE Lightning are IMHO, the sexiest jets ever! Something about the Draken and later aircraft from the Swedes just say sex :-) Wonder why such a small country can produce such tough and reliable aircraft, and still keep doing it!
This is hilarius the russian invented their su-27 and then did the ''cobra maneuver'' and the swedes are like ''oh that move, we have done that for about 30 years, whats so special about it?''
@wowhero96bh Not true. Well if just talk about sweden well there is just one that is keept air worthy. But it one more that can be flown if give it some time and service for restoration.
We had those Dragen in Rdaf, and when they retired we used some off them as ABDR trainers. Yoy could hardly drill a hole in them. I have never seen a airplane (us or germen type) that over secure desined. I bet it would bee good for 25 g`s with no problems....
There are many differences between the cobra maneuver of one SU 37 and one J35. The swedishes pilots are good, but the russians planes and pilots are real pioneers, and we must accept it...
True, but while sweden where doing this shit in the fifties and sixties the russians still flew around in their barrels, namely the Mig 15-19 and the SU9-15.
And that you see there NOT cobra - it is parody on it. - he jump its angle of attack for 1,5 seconds and jet barely can hold itself controlable - you can see there even rude pompage of engine and it fell into uncontrolled fall at 2:15
Old MiG-21 could do that - but nobody dared to call in cobra because it isn`t
THIS is cobra
watch?v=BAxx3T53TxM
Notice low speed and angle of attack it reaches preserving vector of flight
hey the Mig-35 (the advanced version of the Mig-29) and the Su-27 family are a lot newer and they have thrust vectoring, the Draken didn't and when it came out it was one, if not the best, fighters around the world and many countries wanted to buy it but swedish restrictions didnt let them. i love this airplane...
@Rosacruz01 the first Difference is that the J35 is from 1955 and the Su 37 1996 the j35 is as old as the mig 21 and correct me if im wrong but ive never Heard of a mig 21 doing the Cobra
a=-120 man... 120. And 180 for Su-37. Without altitude losses. Meaning shooting back is the reason of this manuver. Here is only 90 and he still shooting forward and top. Thats not cobra at all.
I'm apologize, but it is not a Pugachev Cobra, maybe it is some kind of it, usless in combat. The original cobra may be continued for 5-10 seconds, and this maneuver is no more then 2 seconds long. The reason is the advanced FCS capable of holding aircraft stable.
I'm apologize, but it is not a Pugachev Cobra, maybe it is some kind of it, usless in combat. The original cobra may be continued for 5-10 seconds, and this maneuver is no more then 2 seconds long. The reason is the advanced FCS capable of holding aircraft stable.
Nice video. BTW this maneuver is lot nicer at law speed. Vari Gyula flu it almost 0 speed. the cobra at this speed and altitude is not too big chalenge. I would like to see this manuever with this plane at 70m and 100 km/h.
The Draken made Sweden at least 15 years ahead of the rest of the world in Air Force technology.
A 50s aircraft with a crushingly good radar, early detection and VERY good communications between the planes and it could go Mach 2.
The best answer to this plane in the beginning was the F-86 sabre and Mig-15 that were in the most common use in the USA and USSR which didn't even have radars. Later came Mig-21 and F4, and F105 but they were a generation behind in readiness.
Actually, speed has little to do with modern air combat. Most planes are launching missles from miles away at each other.
In a down and dirty dog fight, this type of maneuverability is a huge advantage if your opponent does not also have it. That kind of fight is rarer and rarer since WW2 however due to guided missile technology.
I think that in low height launch platform speed whont give missile alot of advantage because air is dense and will stop missile fast. It will take back its given speed. While only a few KM higher this will not happen that fast.
only if you are fighting one on one. In normal air combat its always more effective to fly in pair, and if you will "stop" for a moment you will get easly shot down by canon and even more easier by sidewinder rocket from another plane. You have no speed to make any maneuver, sidewinder will just kill you. Another thing is that, you can use cobra only when enemy is very very close to your ass, if hes not so close he will shot you even you will make cobra.
@JackPLflashpoint It is all about train how you survive a superstall with out use the rocket seat. They similate super stalling by doing this manouver. They make the plan begin super stall so they can train control that situation.
magnifique avion !! vive la Suede !
michael02410 1 month ago
Congratulations SWEDES..
THIS PLANE should be REVIVED..
DESIGN = 10/10.. the BEST DELTA DESIGN EVER!!
technical010 2 months ago
The music in this video is Beethoven's Piano Concerto No.5 in E-flat Major 'Emperor', 2ND MOVEMENT. :)
txmusician13 2 months ago 2
Beautiful planes, beautiful music :3
txmusician13 2 months ago
Suck on That Viktor Pugachev!
henrique165 3 months ago
the Draken trainers looks so elegant. Beautiful fighters.
Samjapa 4 months ago
I dont care what the russians say that is the coolest looking cobra i have ever seen, probably because the aircraft doing it looks completely flawless.
watsup from USA
Inklebonker1 4 months ago
Don't know how I ended up here. Being a pacifist at heart but a realist in my mind surfing You Tube. But I must say, even though this is instruments ow war, it is a ballet of the skies they are performing, the shape of the aircraft is beautiful and... the music fits perfectly.
Hopefulfilment 5 months ago 4
Swedish can manufacture good fighters but unfortunately they have in difficulty to marketing them...Ah' Gripen sales seem to change that ...
tosa275 5 months ago 5
Gotta love the diversity of fighter aircraft.
Zimnyification 5 months ago
SWEDISH STYLE!
ChickenFriedFabrizio 5 months ago
"Today, the US and Russian governments reveled their new flying toys. Now, let's go to Sweden and turn the clock back 30 or so years. Oh look!, there they are, 30 years in the past! Amazing! Absolutely stunning "
Don't mean anything by it, it's just the thought that went on in my mind when i saw the latest generation jet fighters.
Yellowcard7777 5 months ago
Impressive!!
foxbat1234 5 months ago
The music is perfect!
PICLex 6 months ago
Please, do you know the title and the composer of the music of this ad? Thanks a lot in advance. FreD.
chauve83 6 months ago
I had the pleasure of watching this come in at F-21 in Luleå (North part of sweden) and make a full loop and some turns and rolls before landing.. Absolutely a beutifull and spectacular aircraft!
Looking forward to watch it fly at the airshow on sunday :)
baztid 7 months ago
Varför superstallar inte planet när han gör manövern? :O
adert666 7 months ago
@adert666 Tror att eftersom planet gör manövern i så pass hög hastighet, hinner det inte sakta ner tillräckligt för att kunna stalla. Draken är ett av enstaka plan som klarar av denna manöver. Respekt! =)
AddeXtreme 6 months ago
The forces on the aircraft must be insane doing that. Not only the G forces, but the stress on the wings. Very well built aircraft !!
Freeflyer91 7 months ago
well, it is nothing new to see a delta winged plane to preform a cobra manouvre. Many delta-winged planes preformed it but only at high altitutes. The reason why the Russians are given credentials for "making the first" cobra maneouvre is that before Pugachev and his Su-27, no convencional-winged plane was able to preform such a manouvre, without thrust vectoring.
The Draken is one hell of a plane and I am very proud of myself to have seen the last operational flight of the drakens in Austria
slartibartifast9 7 months ago
@slartibartifast9 bro the statement you made about the cobra is incorrect... John Boyd, the man responsible for the creation of the F-16 would do a maneuver that had no name to it but, pilots flat out say it was a cobra. He was also doing this in the 70's during training sessions where Boyd did the cobra but, he called it"flat plating the bird". Search John Boyd The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare
by Robert Coram. He discusses it in there and yes Boyd did it before the Russians
BBEEAANN1 7 months ago
The worlds most beatiful plane ever, removed from service due to economic cuts. Its so sad to look at them flying, they'll never fly in the Swedish Air Force again, but still beatiful :')
JJswe93 7 months ago
deym! that maneuver looks like it has real actual combat application than the russian "air show" cobra.
TolitsDterrible 8 months ago
I grew up watching the draken on airshows with my father. And it was love at first sight! 27 years later and im still in love with it. A fighter isnt supposed to be pretty, but theres an old saying that if it looks good it will fly good.
There are many cool stories about the plane aswell, most of them about the toughness of the design.
thetrolle 8 months ago
Snyggaste planet nånsin. Vad var det med delta-vingarna som gjorde att man slutade producera dem? Har för mig att det hade någon negativ effekt på styrningen eller dylikt.
Dorkus89Malorkus 9 months ago
@Dorkus89Malorkus Man kan väl anta att den stora vingarean längdmässigt gör det ganska "trögstyrt", samt att det, då det har rätt smala vingar, inte får så stort moment på roll-ledden då skevrodren sitter rätt nära kroppen. Men det är bara gissningar från min sida.
skagerstrom 8 months ago
WOW! Talk about G force! Stalling the airplane like that.
agumon12 9 months ago
can you imagine the G forces when doing that! OMG :D
KarlssonVille 11 months ago
400.000 is cheep for one of these.
MrJFLYER 11 months ago
The quick pitch-up and stall manuevers are at 1:55 .
0MoTheG 1 year ago
What you people fail to realize, is this aircraft is over 50 years old. No, it can't do the "Russian" "Cobra" maneuver, but then again this aircraft wasn't designed or built in the 90's like the famed Su37/47, or more recently the F-22/T-50. It has no canards or directional thrust. The J35 Draken is a magnificent, beautiful aircraft, and for taking to the air in 1955, has AMAZING capabilities and performance. One of the greatest aircraft ever developed. <3 J35
kinohare 1 year ago 59
@kinohare Yes, I was told by a pilot that it was the best plane that he ever flown. And he's been through J35, JA37 and JAS39. He said that once you learned this aircraft there was nothing you couldn't do. He even did 'handbrake" turns when he landed it.
azynkron 6 months ago 2
@kinohare The JAS-39 Gripen can do the Cobra and Kulbit Maneuvers
MultiMaxy95 5 months ago
@MultiMaxy95 I don't think gripens computers will allow that to happen.
ytbabbler 3 months ago
@kinohare Pugachev's Cobra was invented in late 70s on Su-27. Without any thrust vectoring. But it is great that this old hardware is capable of good stunts.
Ondro1112 2 months ago
"Maverick What are you doing maaan!!?"
"I'm gonna hit the brakes and he'll fly right by us!"
MagnesiumAlloy 1 year ago
Thought the music was weird at first,but ended up being very relaxed at the end.Good cheap therapy.lol
t5239857289578947594 1 year ago 2
Still my favorite jet in this era. Fantastic design and sexy lines.
73axman 1 year ago
From this day forth, this maneuver shall be known as "The Dirty Swede."
aaron8862006 1 year ago
just be carefull! i was told byu a guy wich works at an airbase where they used to have drakens that they could easily go in to a superstall.
JVC7400 1 year ago
Respect! Draken was a very advanced plane and i love its shape.
And yes, we respect the Swedes. They had been here in the south of Germany. Fierce soldiers fighting the Catolic troops of General Tilly around 1630 ;-))
Fritztoons 1 year ago 2
@Fritztoons Lol! Makes me proud.. ehh.. to be Swedish... I guess.
MORE WAR! Thats what this world needs... hrm.. Actually its true, we had these planes in 1630, we just didn't boast about it...
Hopefulfilment 1 year ago
Sk 35C is the leightest version of all Drakens. As it has no radar or weapon installation she's the fastest of all Draken versions. The Draken trainer was built from the first manufactured J 35A's. And I can tell you that you'll be able to see an Sk 35C in the air again in the future. There is one preserved at the AFB F 7 Såtenäs and she will be an object for restoration. The fuselage of Sk 35C is well used and at least 60 years old. :-)
MikeInc79 1 year ago
This one is straight into my favourites.
slimquattro 1 year ago
Cobra
it was good for that time
the claimed cobra began 1:59 ended 2:00
only for 1 secon !! no more !! and his plan didn't go forward no it went up !!
look agai and see ur self !!
but a real cobra was mad by the russians " plan go forward while it looks up for a real long time not 1 s only "
in this clip it was no cobra just lets say the plan looks forward for a second
and it was good for that time and could be done in a dog fight
thank u for that video it was rare and fun !
tttarek 1 year ago 14
@tttarek - I disagree. Look at 1:50... he hardly travels upward at all. Even a Sukhoi makes the same upward travel when doing this... it's part of the aerodynamics. Doesn't matter what airplane we're talking about, it's going to go upward for a second, because the body of the aircraft deflects airflow downward even if the wing is entirely stalled.
Can we stop being obsessed with the "Cobra?" Impressive, yes, but tactically insignificant.
aaron8862006 1 year ago
@tttarek It is a Cobra manouver.
This plane was first in active service in 1960.
When was the russian plane in active service?
So little Sweden could produce planes with this ability 30 odd years before Soviet Union or NATO could.
McDiezel 1 year ago
@tttarek I believe that what you were looking for is in 1:54 to 1:57
valois5 1 year ago
@tttarek Actually, the cobra manueuver was between 1:54 and 1:57. The following attempts were just that...attempts. This is pilots in training (it's the two-seater trainer version in the vid), so you can't expect them to nail it :)
valois5 1 year ago 5
@tttarek "and his plan didn't go forward no it went up !!"
Didn't go forward? Are you retarded?
SAsgarters 11 months ago
@tttarek You must be such a pro in this matter due to your expert comments.... The video shows how it´s made and who did it first..... Deal with it...
Skyisnotalimit 10 months ago
@tttarek you are blind if u cant see its going forward and not upwards my friend
mkrohne 9 months ago
Nice footage! Don't see video of the trainer version too often!
samuraikensai 1 year ago
This was tough as a standard procedure in the Swedish air force in the early 70s.
As far as I know this was the firs jet to be able to preform the cobra maneuver ever.
Draken (dragon) was a nice plane holding 4 world records....
SgtDrDeath 1 year ago 2
@SgtDrDeath Proper translation isn't dragon, it's kite. It's a great name by the way, it kind of looks like a kite and it's not as cheesy as most airplane names are.
Katjing 1 year ago
@Katjing "Drake" in Swedish is both translated into "kite" and "dragon" and my guess is that the ones who named it didn't have a flimsy sheet of paper in mind...
Hopefulfilment 1 year ago
@Hopefulfilment I saw it on a documentary, it is actually named after a kite.
triathlonlarsson 1 year ago
WOW! That is very impressive. I guess the Russians had better watch out or Dolph Lundgren is gonna hurt someone! Show the Swedes some Respect!
BTW, there is one of these for sale out in Nevada, still in air-worthy, working order. But it isn't cheap, just in case someone is interested.
SergeantZippo 1 year ago 34
@SergeantZippo Wolfe Aviation is the company that's trying to sell it.
siemenstraffic 1 year ago 8
@SergeantZippo
I thought that I had seen it all. Then I come to this page, and see someone trying to sell a J35 on the internet. ha ha ha
greendaysaint8302 1 year ago
@SergeantZippo its actually stockton california and its going on sale for $175,000
pretty awsome its a much better buy than any nice car lol
goindiakid 1 year ago 2
Недоделанный МиГ-21?
gerantidi 1 year ago
@SergeantZippo they had to cut the price beacuse the fuel consumption is huge on that thing you know
alcapone796 7 months ago 3
@alcapone796 But maintenance was cheaper compared to the Viggen!
siemenstraffic 7 months ago 3
@alcapone796 Yeah, it descends from the period when fuel consumption wasn't an issue. Just like does wonderful american musclecars. :)
Logementos 5 months ago
such a beautiful aircraft love it saw one fly in a airshiow this year i eaven sat in the cockpit of 1 very beautiful and awsome aircraft
Mattebubben 1 year ago
I always liked the Draken but I'd never seen this maneuver done. Very, very cool!
Ahrimancp 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic >I´ve seen that move to, fly in 45 angel the pilot open the cockpit and wave to the croud, close the pit and thrust away.. But I´ve saw a succésfully made the cobra move with a Gripen.. Both know and realise the risks with the manuver, sometimes the unexpected happens..
911205KW 1 year ago
What classical music is this? Wonderful.
robertlundin 1 year ago
shit visste inte att Draken kunde göra Cobra. Då måste Svenskarna vart för Ryssarna me Cobra.
sweJN 1 year ago
Since these are the two-seat trainer version the students are probably just learning to handle super-stall.
None of the Draken prototypes were lost during development with expert pilots in control, but once active duty started a number of aircraft were lost when regular pilots couldn't handle super-stall. No alteration to the aircraft were made but training for the pilots was expanded as we see here..
Rallarbusen 1 year ago
The J 35 is probably the most beautiful airplane in the world.
legendenfniss 1 year ago 5
Cant figure out how this plane does this. Always thought you needed tailfins to do the cobra. Wel guess not. Really impressive plane!
Just a comparrison:
Su-27 mach 2 (1992) , SAAB J35 mach 2 (1955).
Well ok, eight to powerratio might be different, as with climbspeed and such. :P
Fruitfactory 1 year ago
As an aircraft enthusiast I`ve seen a fair amount of aircrafts in my life, and I have to say that the J-35 Draken Is the most beautiful JET fighter ever built. I can watch It from any angle and still find It stunning...Its even more beautful as a two seater!
Some of you may disagree but this Is my opinion..
thetrolle 1 year ago
Nice video, nice wings
215alessio 1 year ago
it's so beautiful......... i have wanted to an swedish airforce pilot since i was 6 years old......... and this makes me cry :')
Theparanormalman1 1 year ago
well new music its fantastic too can u plz tellme wot song its that? thanx =)
sitoto 1 year ago
swedish jets are one more reason to admire sweden and its people. I wish my country - Bulgaria - had the money to buy JAS 39 Grippen, but I bet we'll order the F-16 instead... Still until the contract is signed nothing is sure so I hope our military takes the right decision and secure our skies with the thunder of Thor. :)
Hälsningar och respekt från Bulgarien!!
antikoerper256 1 year ago 2
Can Gripen can do this Maneuver ?
Gurkmomma 1 year ago 7
@Gurkmomma I don't think so since it has a fly by wire system
siemenstraffic 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic It all depends on how that fly-by-wire flight computer is programmed. Technically the Gripen can do this maneuver and many more, but it depends on the software installed and not the aerodynamic properties of the aircraft itself.
33vortex 1 year ago
@33vortex
Most fly-by-wire computers actually limit the aircraft. The aerodynamic properties define whether or not the aircraft with stall and lose control at that angle of attack. Pilots performing Cobra's in the original Su-27's had to turn the limiters off to achieve the maneuver.
nem1 1 year ago
@Gurkmomma It could do with thrust vectoring which it hasn't. There are olny two planes capable of that without thrust vectoring - Draken and Su-27.
flashpeter625 1 year ago
@flashpeter625 It is the paper dragon in english "Kite" that have named the airplan. I know firebreathing fantacy beast are cool but the name cames from how the plane looks similar a kite in its forms then veiw it from abow angle.
MrPirreE 8 months ago
Just amazing!
mouzata 1 year ago
sony di merda!
Ghostrideritaly 1 year ago
Hoo-ray for SME! Wonderful job of once again poking thier noses into peoples personal lives for no reason and pushing them around! Mean bunch, ain't they? Almost as wrose as the dreaded Viacom goons.
Nice Draken vid nonetheless.
BlueKyne 1 year ago
Designed in the schuberts..... ok... but was it really the best aircrafr of the times.... everyone said that the swedes ere so afraid of an attack that they must engage defense.....
kulmedfarbrorful 1 year ago
Itwas better with the old music.. but it is still a classic video.. :) :)
BasicModelling 1 year ago 3
@BasicModelling I'm thinking about to reediting the video to put in a new sound track.
siemenstraffic 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic Still miss the old tune, it really fitted.. :) But I'm looking forward to a re-edition, if you feel it will improve!! I keep coming back to this video as I plan to build a 2-seat Draken in the near future, and want to get it reasonably right.. and what's a better reference than the real thing in action! :) By the way, the 'Swedish Cobra' is a topic for some discussion, some people tend to get a bit 'upset', but to me it sure looks like the real thing.. :) :)
BasicModelling 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic
I haven't heard the original tune, but I gotta say that this song makes the clip very harmonic and beautiful.
legendenfniss 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic Don't! I was just thinking about writing how I liked the music before I read thees comments. Better than all I've heard on any of this kind of vids. Got an "airy" feeling to it. :) BTW, I consider myself a "pacifist realist"... I don't really care for war machines, but I wouldn't say that a unilateral disarmament would work either, and I definitely can enjoy a beautiful aircraft in a serene scene.
Hopefulfilment 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic Please do!
baoap 1 year ago
Holy shit. I love this plane.
Uberkreatur 1 year ago
nice video, the music fits too
whoa nice Pugachev maneuver, somehow it seems that this aircraft are much more agile than Su's and MiG's Cobra maneuver
btw what's the name of the song do you use??
mg42gunner 1 year ago
nice video, the music fits too
whoa nice Pugachev maneuver, somehow it seems that this aircraft are much more agile than Su's and MiG's Cobra maneuver
btw what's the name of the song do you use??
mg42gunner 1 year ago
How is it that the j35 is able to do the cobra without spinning? It looks like it wants to though....
macsm 1 year ago
The Draken is a remarkable plane, but this is NOT the cobra manoeuvre, without going into details.
DrittAdrAtta 1 year ago
@DrittAdrAtta
A cobra maneuver is a sudden change in Angle of Attack from 0 degrees (straight and level flight) to above 100 degrees, I believe. This was damn close, as the plane definitely went to at least 90 and back. Got to love it coming from a plane as 'primitive' as the Draken.
F22RaptorSquadron 1 year ago
@DrittAdrAtta well what is it then boss,and how is it different from a cobra?
tug82 1 year ago
so this cobra is a sort of handbraking but doing it in the air?
stonerumble 1 year ago
"What this Goose, when I hit the brakes, he'll fly right by"
RacerXGTO 1 year ago
by the way the only thing i hated about the swdish air force was the fact my first appt was on froson and my appt was right in the line of the planes coming home from maneuvers each morning would wake me at about 6 or 7 am and I would feel my bed shake lol...or maybe that was from some swedish flicka that I took home the night before from the garden or after 8. clubs lol sweden rocks and swedish people rock. thanks to all the swedish people I worked with or made friends with. your the best :)))
islandguy911 1 year ago 2
The original koeniggsegg :)
PeetPeeet 1 year ago
Amazing cobra maneuver!
donmacedone 1 year ago
Draken is one of my fav aircrafts! it looks so clean and stylish!
Trollhumak 2 years ago 4
realy cool maneuver =)
MrChucky1989 2 years ago
Wonderful aircraft. Miss them in the danish skies. We had them in Denmark from 73-96. By far the loudest of our fighters compared to F-104 and (the almost silent!!)F-16.
AmdiT 2 years ago
Music: Emperor's Concert from Beethoven, it matches the images very well.
maxperformanceclimb 2 years ago
first ever aircraft to make mach 2+. it was designed for fast nonstop flights to moscow.its mission: to drop a nuclear bomb
ballen900 2 years ago
lol....good luck
khoihq 2 years ago
and get shot down by the russian PVO just like the U-2. Don't get me wrong I love the Dragon but dropping a nuke isn't so easy
NazarovVv 2 years ago 3
Why do you think that? We in sweden doesn't have nuclear bombs.
bertilbatong 2 years ago
hahaha what, no it wasn't the first to make mach 2+ and it certainly wasn't designed to nuke russia, it was designed as a short range interceptor and couldn't have carried a nuke even if sweden had developed one
blubbson 2 years ago 4
@blubbson ehm, the nukes that draken should carried was about 700 kg
anden191 1 year ago
About the Swedish nuclear carrier, you must be thinking of the A(J) -36 who they can canceled?
Melchersson 1 year ago
Umm no, War isnt swedens thing really.
Niblie 1 year ago 3
They are more into selling weapons.
welowrider32 1 year ago
Lovely video mate - even liked the music.
Motoguzzi750 2 years ago
aka super stall, if im not totaly wrong
blidderbla 2 years ago
Wow, didn't know drakens could do that too. Impressive!
ferriwheel 2 years ago
Actually the swedish Draken didn't do it "too". It did it first.
Adler556 2 years ago 7
Please note the original music and sound was removed due to a complaint from Sony Music Entertainment!
siemenstraffic 2 years ago
@siemenstraffic Think you have the possibility to restore the sound from the startup? As an old Draken squire, that characteristic sound makes me all nostalgic. :)
mkarnerfors 1 year ago
@mkarnerfors The video has to be reedit then, so the song whit Mr. Mr. Broken Wings is removed. Sony Music Entertainment force me to use this classic song!
siemenstraffic 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic I was thinking more about restoring the sound of the plane starting... that buzzing and whooshing sound. :)
mkarnerfors 1 year ago
@siemenstraffic Think you have the possibility to restore the sound from the startup? As an old Draken squire, that characteristic sound makes me all nostalgic. :)
mkarnerfors 1 year ago
Draken made it's first flight in '55, over 20 years before the Su-27. It's a 2nd generation fighter, rather than 4th.
Back then, speed and missile technology was the focus. Maneuverability didn't become the focus untill the '60ies.
I'd say this is rather impressive.
prov3ss 2 years ago
Call me silly, but the Draken and the EE Lightning are IMHO, the sexiest jets ever! Something about the Draken and later aircraft from the Swedes just say sex :-) Wonder why such a small country can produce such tough and reliable aircraft, and still keep doing it!
SammysRule 2 years ago 2
Swedes are the master race of course.
Scurck 2 years ago
i fully agree with you.
winkelwilly 2 years ago
AAAAh... the Draken a great aircraft maneuvers stifly without the trim though.
alvinhdavenport 2 years ago
This is hilarius the russian invented their su-27 and then did the ''cobra maneuver'' and the swedes are like ''oh that move, we have done that for about 30 years, whats so special about it?''
Hahaha.
Tungurknifur 2 years ago
lol ..oh that old dress....
brian4480 2 years ago
That's the same plane which was shot down with a stinger fired by Sean Young in the movie 'firebirds'.
armalite1978 2 years ago
there is only one j 35 left that works
wowhero96bh 2 years ago
nop-austria have still a couple
actionfritz 2 years ago
they were withdrawn in 2005.
MD80phreak 2 years ago
@wowhero96bh Not true. Well if just talk about sweden well there is just one that is keept air worthy. But it one more that can be flown if give it some time and service for restoration.
In USA sevral flyes in private regim.
MrPirreE 8 months ago
jeepers i'ld be checking the fatigue meters before flyin those puppies! i wonder how many times they could do that before they had to be overhauled
yogicolonial 2 years ago
We had those Dragen in Rdaf, and when they retired we used some off them as ABDR trainers. Yoy could hardly drill a hole in them. I have never seen a airplane (us or germen type) that over secure desined. I bet it would bee good for 25 g`s with no problems....
gummess 2 years ago
25g's hahahahahaha
twistednormal 2 years ago
Hahaha, and Russia claims to be the first to do cobras, with SU-27s...
Respect the swedes.
markbart7 2 years ago 3
There are many differences between the cobra maneuver of one SU 37 and one J35. The swedishes pilots are good, but the russians planes and pilots are real pioneers, and we must accept it...
Rosacruz01 2 years ago 10
True, but while sweden where doing this shit in the fifties and sixties the russians still flew around in their barrels, namely the Mig 15-19 and the SU9-15.
Ripperbat 2 years ago 4
@Ripperbat
In sixties -fifties they did not done it
And that you see there NOT cobra - it is parody on it. - he jump its angle of attack for 1,5 seconds and jet barely can hold itself controlable - you can see there even rude pompage of engine and it fell into uncontrolled fall at 2:15
Old MiG-21 could do that - but nobody dared to call in cobra because it isn`t
THIS is cobra
watch?v=BAxx3T53TxM
Notice low speed and angle of attack it reaches preserving vector of flight
MarshallJukov 2 years ago
hey the Mig-35 (the advanced version of the Mig-29) and the Su-27 family are a lot newer and they have thrust vectoring, the Draken didn't and when it came out it was one, if not the best, fighters around the world and many countries wanted to buy it but swedish restrictions didnt let them. i love this airplane...
proud3dg4r 2 years ago 3
@Rosacruz01 the first Difference is that the J35 is from 1955 and the Su 37 1996 the j35 is as old as the mig 21 and correct me if im wrong but ive never Heard of a mig 21 doing the Cobra
Mattebubben 10 months ago
@markbart7
they were.. pugachev did it in a airshow.. hence the name "pugachev's cobra"
although, the Su27 does it for longer (cause of vector thrust) it is very beautiful how the SAAB does it...
1337ASM 1 year ago
@markbart7
a=-120 man... 120. And 180 for Su-37. Without altitude losses. Meaning shooting back is the reason of this manuver. Here is only 90 and he still shooting forward and top. Thats not cobra at all.
Fedotof 1 year ago
@markbart7
I'm apologize, but it is not a Pugachev Cobra, maybe it is some kind of it, usless in combat. The original cobra may be continued for 5-10 seconds, and this maneuver is no more then 2 seconds long. The reason is the advanced FCS capable of holding aircraft stable.
SloyZlon 1 year ago
@markbart7
I'm apologize, but it is not a Pugachev Cobra, maybe it is some kind of it, usless in combat. The original cobra may be continued for 5-10 seconds, and this maneuver is no more then 2 seconds long. The reason is the advanced FCS capable of holding aircraft stable.
SloyZlon 1 year ago
I thought the same thing my friend!
Great respect!
flyer203 1 year ago
@markbart7
Nice video. BTW this maneuver is lot nicer at law speed. Vari Gyula flu it almost 0 speed. the cobra at this speed and altitude is not too big chalenge. I would like to see this manuever with this plane at 70m and 100 km/h.
shotibf109G2 1 year ago
not bad for a plane designed in the 50's,
denmalski 2 years ago 3
well seeing as you would have to denegage your G/AoA inhibitors, 9-12G could be expected for high speed cobras
seraphism91 2 years ago
Cool I didn't knew anybody can do this except Soviet 4 gen and 5 gen American.
However they still seems to be barrely controlable and their speed and alt varys alot.
And good music. Much better then in other such air video.
Thanks again.
OlegStrk 2 years ago
your looking at about 5-8 G's depending on speed and stuff
azmanic 2 years ago
Not quite spectacular as the russian aircraft's doing the cobra, but still a nice maneuver =)
RafaType 2 years ago
yea it isnt, but they dont have any vector jet.they are the men
fonsyfonsito 2 years ago
The Draken made Sweden at least 15 years ahead of the rest of the world in Air Force technology.
A 50s aircraft with a crushingly good radar, early detection and VERY good communications between the planes and it could go Mach 2.
The best answer to this plane in the beginning was the F-86 sabre and Mig-15 that were in the most common use in the USA and USSR which didn't even have radars. Later came Mig-21 and F4, and F105 but they were a generation behind in readiness.
SoldatenArvidsjaur23 2 years ago 22
@SoldatenArvidsjaur23 What?
pteronoid 1 year ago
You are at his 12 o'clock
rafaerrrr 2 years ago
Actually, speed has little to do with modern air combat. Most planes are launching missles from miles away at each other.
In a down and dirty dog fight, this type of maneuverability is a huge advantage if your opponent does not also have it. That kind of fight is rarer and rarer since WW2 however due to guided missile technology.
Silban1979 2 years ago
The faster the launching platform goes, the longer the range of the missile will be. So speed IS important.
jakobole 2 years ago
I'd say that height /altitude/ is more important.
I think that in low height launch platform speed whont give missile alot of advantage because air is dense and will stop missile fast. It will take back its given speed. While only a few KM higher this will not happen that fast.
OlegStrk 2 years ago
su-27 can do "cobra" in full speed 2500km\h
herayo 2 years ago
Yeah, but the Draken is from 1955 :)
SebakSwe 2 years ago
Ha ha! That would be funny to watch... A plane disintegrate in 10 000 pieces. Not so fun for the pilote though.
Glimmen4 2 years ago 5
only if you are fighting one on one. In normal air combat its always more effective to fly in pair, and if you will "stop" for a moment you will get easly shot down by canon and even more easier by sidewinder rocket from another plane. You have no speed to make any maneuver, sidewinder will just kill you. Another thing is that, you can use cobra only when enemy is very very close to your ass, if hes not so close he will shot you even you will make cobra.
JackPLflashpoint 2 years ago
I love it when people like you will pull any dialogue out of your ass just to convince yourself that you are somehow right.
FuckTheCHP 2 years ago
what this maneuver stand for? Loosing speed is not good in the air combat ....
JackPLflashpoint 2 years ago
@JackPLflashpoint It is all about train how you survive a superstall with out use the rocket seat. They similate super stalling by doing this manouver. They make the plan begin super stall so they can train control that situation.
MrPirreE 8 months ago
First plane in the world with delta wings
kungenism 2 years ago
wasn't that a convair plane in the 1940's?
martinlaver 2 years ago
No Saab did a miniversion of the Saab j35 draken, "a test plane" Swedish airforce museum in Linkoeping has the plane
kungenism 2 years ago