Forget about the future increases, the existing fares have been a total rip off for years, not only most expensive in europe but more expensive by far, in some cases 10 times more than equivalent journeys on the continent. I checked some journeys from south east to northern destinations, it turned out you could get cheaper RETURN FLIGHTS to many European destinations and even to USA! Rail bosses gave the arrogant monopolist reply 'People are still buying' Shows their disgusting contempt & greed
@dctim well there is better access to several station exits and the low level lines (Jubilee + DLR Stratford Intl branch) from the new platform 3a.
But, I think that the most important motivating factor was (as you suggested) the Olympic Games and handling large crowds of people going home who must first travel towards Central London - and then interchange with other services.
This also happens on the Eastbound District Line at Barking. Handy if you are in a rush from c2c to get on the Overground to Gospel Oak because you can run through the District Line train :).
@daleksec53 geez, services have slowed enough already - what with the elimination of guards and on some lines lower track speeds and de-rated trains. But this would be useful at stations such as Bank where passengers could alight on one side and board from the other. At busy times splitting the passenger flows in this way should reduce stop dwell times.
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@imrankhan2k9 i think 96 ts paintwork looks better than 92 ts. Though i like the big windows of 92 ts. I don't use the 92ts much but the 96 ts interior is in really good condition and is clean, i use the 1996ts at least few times every week and just used it twice today.
@37427 Actually its a 315 not a 321 or 317/6, the 315 units are the trains used on the line that runs all stations between Shenfield and Liverpool Street
@TheCatapultTV Nor at Golders Green (I'm not sure about Arnos Grove). The reason is probably related to the platforms being used for terminating trains and the doors only opening on one side to let people out onto the correct platform for an onward train and then in from the correct platform for trains tarvelling in the opposite direction.
@TheCatapultTV Citytransportinfos answer is correct. At Loughton & White City one platform is used the Terminating a letting passengers off (the direction of entry island platform) and this allows passengers to continue their journey. The other platform is used for passengers getting on the train (the direction of departure island platform) and this allows one island platform to be used for passengers heading in that direction
"Please allow passengers off the train first"... but the train, and the platform look deserted! I can see the point doing that announcement at rush hour or when the train's busy, but not now...
You're right it doesn't send a 15 second delay in fact nothing actually happens as the buttons have been turned off for years now! They do actually still work if the driver turns them on, though obviously they are off due to safety reasons. I used the buttons when the trains first came into service so I can tell u they do work but this was way back in the mid 90's before the severe overcrowding of today! :P The D stock used to have working open buttons as well once.
@Alstom1995 pity they cant switch them back on during off peak (and therefore quieter) periods to avoid that nasty winter chill or splash of rain in an empty carriage in the open sections at the Eastern (stratford to Hainault/Woodford/Epping) and Western (White City to Ealing Broadway/West Ruislip) ends of the Central Line
@grahamf19 Yeah well so long as people carry on being stupid and throwing themselves into doors I doubt that'll happen hah! But apparently the new S stock trains are actually designed to overcome this problem by reopening just enough for the person to pull themself free of the doors and then it will close and depart. if this works there shouldn't be anymore passengers holding up the service by Kamikaze diving!
@class313 Yes, the two units are in different liveries and the entire train is travelling through platform 5 (towards Liverpool Street Station) without stopping.
They shut the doors early on Platform 3a during peak from what I've seen everyday, otherwise they shut the doors at the normal time for the older Platform 3.
@phimmai1 no - passengers board and alight from both sides.
On the older platform there is cross platform interchange with a different rail service, whilst the new platform is better for changing trains with the Jubilee Line and Docklands Light Railway.
BUT...
It may be that during the 2012 Olympic Games some type of passenger flow control is used. I've heard this suggested as an idea.
I remember when the doors opened on both sides at the 59th street station in Manhattan. I'm pretty sure the doors closed at different times like this video, as the conductor had to do one side, and then the other side.
@JeffOrnstein01 Whilst it might be possible to close doors on both sides at the same time there is a greater safety risk in case someone becomes trapped in the doors but is not seen. So they have to be done separately.
In Munich they can close the doors at the same time. Maybe if they would fit some screens on the platform so that the driver can watch it at the same time, if the screens in the cab are not enough.
Ascot station used to be like this, well still is, but they now only allow one set of doors to open said it was too much hassel, time will tell on this one eh!
Like in many stations hear in São Paulo (Sé, Brás, Corinthians Itaquera, Palmeiras Barra Funda...)
BrunoMontezum 2 weeks ago
@BrunoMontezum Do you have film of these stations on YouTube? I would like to see them, and feel sure that other people would be interested as well.
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 week ago
@citytransportinfo We got the same thing in the subway of Toulouse, France.
musicvision31 2 days ago
Is it one platform for boarding and the other for getting off, or is it just a free for all?
EASYTIGER10 2 weeks ago
sad
athiqur1989 1 month ago
Where do Jublilee Trains stop on?
TrainSounds 1 month ago
@TrainSounds Hi there, I'm not sure if I understand your question.
Jubilee Line trains use the 'low level' platforms whilst Central Line trains use the 'high level' platforms
citytransportinfo 1 month ago
We have this also at Rotterdam Central station, and, there you need to mind the gap too :P
LukRacer 2 months ago
where is it?
gtp111222 2 months ago
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Forget about the future increases, the existing fares have been a total rip off for years, not only most expensive in europe but more expensive by far, in some cases 10 times more than equivalent journeys on the continent. I checked some journeys from south east to northern destinations, it turned out you could get cheaper RETURN FLIGHTS to many European destinations and even to USA! Rail bosses gave the arrogant monopolist reply 'People are still buying' Shows their disgusting contempt & greed
ZaydDepaor 2 months ago
Mind the gap.
jvolstad 2 months ago
that wasn't a 321 it was a 315
mrwacca1 2 months ago
@mrwacca1 god damn trainspotter.
tarrizzzzzzzzz 1 month ago
Is there actually a reason for this? Stratford doesn't exactly seem like the busiest of stations. Unless this is in preparation for the Olympics
dctim 2 months ago
@dctim well there is better access to several station exits and the low level lines (Jubilee + DLR Stratford Intl branch) from the new platform 3a.
But, I think that the most important motivating factor was (as you suggested) the Olympic Games and handling large crowds of people going home who must first travel towards Central London - and then interchange with other services.
citytransportinfo 2 months ago
Call Of Duty must have stole this guys idea :D
1998samtheman 2 months ago
wow that's really cool
englishgirl1988 3 months ago
Why can't they close at the same time?
mryoheylol 3 months ago
@mryoheylol I've seen that happen... sometimes.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 months ago
@mryoheylol Because the driver has to check either side of the train for people stuck in the doors. He can't do this at the same time on both sides.
MrTomchristopher 3 months ago
@MrTomchristopher But he doesn't check them, that's not what he does.
mryoheylol 3 months ago
Why the doors can't be closed simultaneously? The train does not allow it?
CZRichie 4 months ago
@CZRichie it's 2 dangerous
circleline28 4 months ago
@CZRichie they don't know about multi thread programming LOL
yunyunzai 4 months ago
@CZRichie The doors don't close simultaneously for safety reasons
Xenctuary 4 months ago
@CZRichie I've seen that happen... sometimes.
Simon
citytransportinfo 3 months ago
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@CZRichie Because the driver has to check either side of the train for people stuck in the doors. He can't do this at the same time on both sides.
MrTomchristopher 3 months ago
@CZRichie a power issue, too much electricity at once
MrBluenotred 1 month ago
This also happens on the Eastbound District Line at Barking. Handy if you are in a rush from c2c to get on the Overground to Gospel Oak because you can run through the District Line train :).
RewindMJ 5 months ago
If That Happened At Every Station, I Worked Out That It Probably Would Add An Extra 2 Minutes On To Each Journey From Terminus To Terminus
daleksec53 6 months ago
@daleksec53 geez, services have slowed enough already - what with the elimination of guards and on some lines lower track speeds and de-rated trains. But this would be useful at stations such as Bank where passengers could alight on one side and board from the other. At busy times splitting the passenger flows in this way should reduce stop dwell times.
citytransportinfo 6 months ago
Not too many takers, then!
Damoleary 7 months ago
@Damoleary you should see what its like in the morning rush hour!
Passengers in the train have to contend with passengers boarding from both sides - trying to squeeze in.
citytransportinfo 7 months ago
@citytransportinfo I can imagine. It's bad enough with only one set of doors opening.
Damoleary 7 months ago
Also at Uxbridge but they don't
trevcab 7 months ago
@trevcab ditto Cockfosters - which has a station of a similar style, with three tracks and four platforms, one of which is not actually used.
Simon
citytransportinfo 7 months ago
Do a search for Elizabeth 2 go ripple effect
johnnymifo 8 months ago
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bewareofpaedophiles 9 months ago
central line trains are so clean and good looking not like jublie or barkerloo lines
imrankhan2k9 9 months ago
@imrankhan2k9 i think 96 ts paintwork looks better than 92 ts. Though i like the big windows of 92 ts. I don't use the 92ts much but the 96 ts interior is in really good condition and is clean, i use the 1996ts at least few times every week and just used it twice today.
bengo940 9 months ago
At 0:38, that is not a 321, it's a 317/6.
37427 1 year ago
@37427 Actually its a 315 not a 321 or 317/6, the 315 units are the trains used on the line that runs all stations between Shenfield and Liverpool Street
ajsayles 3 months ago
Is there a reason why both sets cant close at the same time?
fkfj16 1 year ago
@fkfj16 sorry dont know - all I can think of is that the driver may need to be watching them close
citytransportinfo 1 year ago 11
@citytransportinfo Opening the doors on both sides is cool thanx for posting this
Cazkumali 11 months ago
@citytransportinfo Wast that a class 315 departing next to the 1992TS
Cazkumali 11 months ago
@citytransportinfo I dont live in London, but I think after one door closes the driver has to fing the button for the other door
CadenceCPK 10 months ago
@citytransportinfo
A very good answer to a very stupid question.
bornbillsmith 7 months ago
@citytransportinfo But it's not the driver that pays attention, it uses pressure, motion and IR sensors to make sure nobody is stuck.
mryoheylol 3 months ago
@fkfj16 Because I imagine that if they close together they would have to open together aswell
MattBTV1 9 months ago
they can do exactly this at the centre platforms at white city and loughton but they dont! why!
TheCatapultTV 1 year ago
@TheCatapultTV Nor at Golders Green (I'm not sure about Arnos Grove). The reason is probably related to the platforms being used for terminating trains and the doors only opening on one side to let people out onto the correct platform for an onward train and then in from the correct platform for trains tarvelling in the opposite direction.
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
@citytransportinfo just realised: they dont do it at uxbridge and cockfosters (they do at morden). not sure why.
TheCatapultTV 10 months ago
@citytransportinfo Thats cool 2 see the doors open both sides
Cazkumali 7 months ago
@TheCatapultTV Citytransportinfos answer is correct. At Loughton & White City one platform is used the Terminating a letting passengers off (the direction of entry island platform) and this allows passengers to continue their journey. The other platform is used for passengers getting on the train (the direction of departure island platform) and this allows one island platform to be used for passengers heading in that direction
ScitchyOfficial 10 months ago
yea its a class 317
taylorjsj 1 year ago
"Please allow passengers off the train first"... but the train, and the platform look deserted! I can see the point doing that announcement at rush hour or when the train's busy, but not now...
Tomsonic41 1 year ago
An easy way to get between platforms...
xpressLOLzilla 1 year ago
@TheWebsterD I wish those buttons could be used to open the doors - especially on cold days at 'open air' stations.
As far as I am aware the buttons have no uses today - I've never heard of that 15 second delay request and would be surprised if it was actually so.
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
@citytransportinfo
You're right it doesn't send a 15 second delay in fact nothing actually happens as the buttons have been turned off for years now! They do actually still work if the driver turns them on, though obviously they are off due to safety reasons. I used the buttons when the trains first came into service so I can tell u they do work but this was way back in the mid 90's before the severe overcrowding of today! :P The D stock used to have working open buttons as well once.
Alstom1995 1 year ago
@Alstom1995 pity they cant switch them back on during off peak (and therefore quieter) periods to avoid that nasty winter chill or splash of rain in an empty carriage in the open sections at the Eastern (stratford to Hainault/Woodford/Epping) and Western (White City to Ealing Broadway/West Ruislip) ends of the Central Line
grahamf19 1 year ago
@grahamf19 Yeah well so long as people carry on being stupid and throwing themselves into doors I doubt that'll happen hah! But apparently the new S stock trains are actually designed to overcome this problem by reopening just enough for the person to pull themself free of the doors and then it will close and depart. if this works there shouldn't be anymore passengers holding up the service by Kamikaze diving!
Alstom1995 1 year ago
Why do they have to close the doors seperately?
NZSupermathu 1 year ago
@NZSupermathu For safety - the train driver must watch to ensure that no-one is trapped in the doors.
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
I do believe thats a pair of 317s behind the 1992 stock there :)
class313 1 year ago
@class313 Yes, the two units are in different liveries and the entire train is travelling through platform 5 (towards Liverpool Street Station) without stopping.
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
@citytransportinfo its just that in the description you've put two class 321s passing lol.
class313 1 year ago
@citytransportinfo it defo does look like Class 317s as the end by look of it has a doorway on it, and is not sloped like the 321 class
grahamf19 1 year ago
Its A Bit Like The DLR At Canary Wharf =] - Saves Time Crossing Platforms Too! lol.
ashthemainman2012 1 year ago
They shut the doors early on Platform 3a during peak from what I've seen everyday, otherwise they shut the doors at the normal time for the older Platform 3.
adal0323 1 year ago
@Arriva2010 only westbound - there is no space to do this for eastbound trains.
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
@phimmai1 no - passengers board and alight from both sides.
On the older platform there is cross platform interchange with a different rail service, whilst the new platform is better for changing trains with the Jubilee Line and Docklands Light Railway.
BUT...
It may be that during the 2012 Olympic Games some type of passenger flow control is used. I've heard this suggested as an idea.
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
I remember when the doors opened on both sides at the 59th street station in Manhattan. I'm pretty sure the doors closed at different times like this video, as the conductor had to do one side, and then the other side.
JeffOrnstein01 1 year ago
@JeffOrnstein01 Whilst it might be possible to close doors on both sides at the same time there is a greater safety risk in case someone becomes trapped in the doors but is not seen. So they have to be done separately.
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
just similar to trains at Airport Station platform 1&3 in HK
hkmtrhah 1 year ago
In Munich they can close the doors at the same time. Maybe if they would fit some screens on the platform so that the driver can watch it at the same time, if the screens in the cab are not enough.
Mac260 1 year ago
they do this at White City some times
GreatRailwayJourneys 1 year ago
So this is like another part to the station I take it? Ill see it on the 19th October :)
racingfan2k10 1 year ago
Ascot station used to be like this, well still is, but they now only allow one set of doors to open said it was too much hassel, time will tell on this one eh!
scarletshaz 1 year ago
cool!
rct800 1 year ago
Cant they close both sides at once?, the driver has 2 screens in the cab i think. Cant he just press two buttons at the same time?
bronzeonion 1 year ago
@bronzeonion
Thats an interesting question - I suspect not, as the driver must watch the process to ensure that it is completed safely.
Simon
citytransportinfo 1 year ago
nice :)
X2K9 1 year ago