Dr Bernard, you have a copywritten expose on the web which I have contacted you about to get permission to email that pdf to a minister of another faith. Can you take the time to maybe get ahold of me on my account? Just give me permission to share your writings please. Or let me know one way or the other. I have left a few message with your secretary then ran into this youtube post. Please reply Dr. Bernard. Thank you.
The word "WORD" came from the Greek word LOGOS which means the EXPRESSION OF THOUGHT and not merely the thinking of a thought (Grk: noema) or the reasoning (Grk: dialogismos). One cannot separate man from his mind (Grk: nouns) wherein are his thoughts. So, as long as the Almighty is, His Mind is in Him.
The blind believe more of the comic heroes many superpower than the power that the real God can make. That one God manifested in the flesh so that one flesh is the only pure and clean that will be a sacrificial lamb and offering to God for the redemption of the sins of humanity for those who will believe. Jesus Christ was not born ordinarilly. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, The Father to the virgin Mary.
When the Son of God, Son of Man, Lamb of God, Son of David, etc., comes back here on earth blazing with fire you will know that His name is Jesus. He is the true God. Where is the God, the Father then? Being a Spirit He is with the Son and the Son in Him. For God is a Spirit and He can not be in one place where the flesh (Son) is only. He is infinite and is everywhere He pleases to be. He is God and not man.
@MrHellowwww1 hey there buddy! D6:4 uses echad...yup. You push three there...how about zech 14:9 echad used there...but there the Lord and His name is ONE. Be consistent...rightly dividing the word of truth and all that.
@diggadoo12 Adam and Eve echad flesh or Adam and Eve became one flesh. Echad is one, but it can be simple or compound one. Echad by itself proves nothing, but why would God use three names with echad? God using three names with echad, and that makes the statement. Why is the statement about God different than Adam and Eve echad with two names and echad?
@danielezerable sir you have no grasp one oneness theology. You may think that you do...but you attempt to present logic is clearly from a slanted and unfounded position. God bless and light your pursuit of Biblical knowledge.
The trinity reminds me of greek mythology, how their were sons but the god who created all was the father zeus. If it weren't for the bible telling us that their is ONE god, then most of the trinitarians would call The Father, The Son, And the Holy Ghost God>S<, If it's omnipresent, it blesses you, and it's something you worship IT'S A GOD!!! Baptist would tell me " You can't just worship GOD, you have to worship his son to!" THAT'S TWO BEINGS!!!!!
@kickapoondn Another ignorant Oneness. The foundation of the Trinity doctrine is that is one God. You can create your own version of the Trinity but is it dishonest and a lie.
@TheLayman316 The foundation of the Trinity Doctrine if you follow the Southern Baptist university or the Catholi studies you will find out that they say that God is three Seperate Persons, that they are not the same, which is a lie and not Bible
@TheLayman316 Never said God meant persons, But actually go study the Trinity doctrine, or even listen to the old hymn "Holy Holy Holy.............God in three Persons, Blessed trinity." Which is not found anywhere in scripture
@TheLayman316 What are you even talking about, make sense before you start typing, i am saying the trinity doctrine is false, based on the definition given by the Catholics and the the southern baptist university
No where in scripture does it show that God is three seperate persons, it states back to back that he is one. read your bible before you start lashing out at people
@TheKingIscomingback You said: "God in three Persons, Blessed trinity." Which is not found anywhere in scripture." You are making the claim that 1) God in three persons and 2) "trinity"- are not found in Scripture. I asked you the very simple question, and I will type is slower for you this time. Regarding the trinity I asked: "So, are your saying that every word that is coined (such as "trinity) to used to express something that the bible says is a false doctrine?"
@TheKingIscomingback Part II. If you understood the grammar you would see that God was indeed revealed in three distinct persons. Do you trust in the grammar or do you reject it so you can be right?
@TheKingIscomingback Part III In response to your comment about “persons.” Oneness teach that there are mutually exclusive personal acts between the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, yet at the same time assert that these three personal subject are the same person. This violated the laws of reason and logic. If the three act in three distinct personal ways, that makes them three distinct persons. This does not violate the laws of reason and logic.
@TheLayman316 i will make it simpiler terms. Lets look at a Man. Lets ask a question Is he or can he be a father?,answer: Yes 2. Is he a son? answer : yes 3. Has he or can he counsel comfort guide teach or counsel someone? Answer: Of course. How many persons is he? Answer 1. So based on this info If this man is created after the image of God, After God's likenesss. Then tell me how can God be three persons, when this man, created after his image, be one.
@TheKingIscomingback The real question is not whether a man can be a father or son, the real question is, can a man be his own father and his own son.
@TheLayman316 Your speaking of A spiritual Being ( The Father) and A physical Being ( the Son) But God Being the Spiritual being He is, is shown in 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." John 1:1; 1:14 "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (cont.)
@TheKingIscomingback Regarding 1 Tim. Who was received up in glory? The Father? Who came in the flesh? (1 John 4:2;15) Who was manifested as per 1 Tim 3:16? (1 John 3:8).
1Jn 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
@TheLayman316 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And one last question "How many Thrones are there?"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever" Rev 5:13
@TheLayman316 At the end are you asking me if it's a dishonest and a lie or what? And the Trinity Doctrine is "Trinity defines God as three divine PERSONS (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three PERSONS are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial." 1+1+1 = "Gasp!" 3! Father, Son, Holy Ghost are titles not three seperate beings.
@kickapoondn I noticed that you did not deal with my question regarding the grammar of Scripture. Here is the question again.
I worte: If you understood the grammar you would see that God was indeed revealed in three distinct persons. Do you trust in the grammar or do you reject it so you can be right?
Wow! What a flow of logic (flawed or not) and what an emotional dedication!! Have anyone warned them the danger of taking logic too emotionally? AFAIK, he at no time contradicts the "trinitarian" position, except for the usual loony confusion between "persona" and "personality". If this dedication instead were used for merging this "oneness" position with the "trinitarian" position, world would be a place of peace. By the way: different personae does not imply different wills/purposes.
Jew for Jesus, The Shema D6:4, has 3 names for God with three parts while Rabbi pray with three fingers making the Hebrew character Shin. In Hebrew from the OT Elohim(Gods) used 2400+ vs El(God) used 200+. Why would God of Israel use plural when talking about himself 2000 vs 200? Jesus said in M 28 19 Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
there are one GOD,. Isaiah 43:10-11 Daniel 2:28 Isaiah 44:6-8 Isaiah 46:9 1 Timothy 2:5 Roma 9:5 1 John 5:20 John 8:58 Exo.3:13-14 marami pa yan pera yan sapat na para malaman nyo na iisa lang ang PANGINOON. SANTIAGO 2:19 EVEN DEVILS BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE GOD..
i see why jews hate the religious americnas..the jews ALWAYS believed in one God numerically...Moses never taught the law to the israelites about a 3person godhead..who woud wanna worship someone with 3 heads??
@cdogg2581 The Shema or d6:4 has three names for God in Hebrew with 3 parts while the Rabbi pray with 3 fingers make the Hebrew character shin. Genesis 1:26 and Isaiah 6:8 both uses us. The Bible uses Elohim (Gods) 2300+ vs El (God) in Hebrew. The second principle of Judaism is God of unity. See chabad org.
I will send you video on from defending Judaism, Rabbi praying the Shema, and Jews for Jesus.
@cdogg2581 Your statement is based on ignorance. The Jews reject Jesus Christ as "the Son of God," therefore they reject the Christian God. Do you want to put your faith in what you think the Jews know and understand? If you want to know what Christian Jews believe go to "Jews for Jesus dot org."
- You can read my other comments in the second part of this video: (2 / 11). I try to explain the simple revelation that I have about Jesus. God bless you.
-Who is the ONE God? Suppose that you are named Peter. You want to create another yourself. This other one created is your Son; another yourself. You are now 2 distinct persons. Each one has his own will, thoughts and feelings. How many persons are there? Two. How many Peter? Only one Peter. These two persons will always be the same Peter. They can talk and have fun together; then this son begins to create; later he became a man named Jos; now the ONE Peter is named Jos. Singular name: Mt 28.19.
@jillblessed. Husband and wife are one in God eyes. Yet we can see there are two. You still do not explain
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. The testimony of two. If you are saying the Father and Son are the same person you only have one person no witnes
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
@yizzod1 That is the man Jesus speaking out of his flesh, not the God speaking thru the Flesh. iAm so Dissapointed that so many people can not understand the difference. He Was 100% Man AND 100% GOD, does that help? John 10:30- I and my Father are ONE.
@JIIBlessed HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is why Arianism trumps! Because for Oneness, Jesus is a man but the God part is not and the man part walked earth so Jesus's body was an illusion - DOCETICISM! Oneness Pentecostals are going to Hell. Trinitarians also do the same with a God-man insisting that Jesus was a servant on earth yet still claimed to be God which wouldn't make Him a servant anymore. This is why you should recant and study about God with the Watchtower.
I have yet to hear a person of the oneness religion respond to John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also
Can O' Worms!!!! LOL. I am oneness however, I can really confuse people on either side. I can get the oneness pentecostal thinking...hmmmmm. Same with the trinitarian. Lets just all come together and worship JHVH!!!!!!
I am a Christian, but I do not believe in the Trinity doctrine. If you want to know what I believe is the truth, see my video upload, "Understanding God and Jesus"
Everything in the bible is inspired by God friend. There is no arguement, he will have the final say. John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
@Jgeddis21 What did God say?? All you said was God said it, that settles it..Yea, but just what did God say?? You guys do this all the time. If you dare to get back to me, I will change your mind on this..actually, I bet you change your mind on this all the time, over and over. We will see, come get some.
@pupils011 Jesus is there already when God beginning his creations..The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world" Prov. 8:22
@Maxim0Bularan Jesus is talking about being in the relationship of our Savior...The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. You can't just take this one scripture and ignore all others including as plain as day ones like 1st Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh..how plain can you get??? There's only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM
@Maxim0Bularan Your question first begs the question....what is God? If God says let us...then God must be a person or being. The Scripture says God is a spirit. Now if God is a spirit, how can 3 persons (2 of which are called spirit ) encompass the same God unless God is not a spirit but simply a position of authority that 3 different persons share? If that doesn't make sense, then look at it this way. If 3 persons make up God, then God must be a position and not a person . Make sense?
@Maxim0Bularan God is not uni-plural in the sense of beings because the word means object of worship or Elohim. God is uni-plural in that uni - is one person and plural in the dispensations of that person. The burning bush for example wasn't another person and the cloud by day and fire by night. They were all manifestations of God. To not understand the Godhead and Jesus own life is to not understand our own roles in the Kingdom of God.
@larry1961 "You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." John 14:28..there are two distinctive character here the father and the son..both of them are Gods
@Maxim0Bularan There are two distinct dispensations. He had to go away come back in the form of the Holy Spirit. The son of God came like common man. There was a dual-nature to the Son of God in that he had to be all man who was tempted as we are. If he had been God in that flesh from the beginning it wouldn't have been perceived as overcoming as we do. God surely came in the flesh, but not completely from the beginning. In Acts he was made both Lord and Christ, but was not so from birth.
@Maxim0Bularan The son is a dispensation or office of God. The son went to the right hand or Power of God. He became the power of God.
It simply shows that God works in offices according to the needs of the time or dispensation. Jesus was the need for that day and age, just as a pillar of fire was the need for the children of Israel going through the wilderness. It wasn't 3 persons in a burning bush. As I said, if you have a trinity in the NT you must have one in the OT and you do not.
@larry1961 are you out of your mind , if he is also the father why did he said that .."the father is greater than I" John 14:28...what is in your thoughts is not written in the bible its just a heresies ..watch Bro. ELI SORIANO.
@Maxim0Bularan The office of the father is greater indeed. But it is an office. It is not a person but the title of a person. Matthew 28:19 are titles. Jesus said this and a few days later Peter baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. Remember trinitarianism is a Catholic dogma started after the 1st century but was not so from the beginning and if it wasn't so from the start, then it is an imitation. I have watched this man...he is not a prophet.
@larry1961 Jesus asked Perter "Who do men say that I am?" This was the revelation and the subject. Not Peter being a pope but who Jesus was. Peter understood he was the offspring of God. God making Himself flesh to live and feel as we did and to be tempted. God could not send a substitute. The scripture never mentions 3 distinct persons. There are 3 manifestations of the same God - spirit - being. God is not a word like "family" God is a spirit not a title. Father is a title.
@larry1961 office of the father? its not written in the bible the father indeed is a character like the son they are not office...Both of them existed already before God created all.
@Maxim0Bularan Try to break down what you are saying. Are you a father? Son? Husband? What is the difference? They are positions not names. Don't try to rationalize a believe...but get down to the foundation and really look at these nouns. Father is not a person, although a person can be a father. Father is the position given to one who has brought a son/daughter into the world. Father is the necessary position of complete headship overall. Jesus is husband, but husband isn't a person.
@larry1961 LOL if jesus is also the father before he incarnate , who is the voice that in heaven that said to the apostles.." He is my Beloved Son." if jesus is also the father. cant see the logic of what youre sayin
@Maxim0Bularan No Jesus was not his own father. That is a misconception of many oneness people. Jesus was the Son of God. But he was made flesh. The flesh was not God in and of itself. Yes he was His beloved son..."IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED!" Also interpreted In Whom I am pleased to dwell".
You aren't understanding that God became a son to be as us to show us the way...as a son. God is a spirit. who as Father is above us all, but as son, became as us. It takes revelation to see that.
@Maxim0Bularan You are missing what I am saying. The father's voice came from heaven. But it also came from the burning bush, so was the father removed from heaven when he spoke from the bush? The point is he is omnipresent. If God speaks from your heart, did he leave heaven to come into you and speak to you? God is in you, yet also in me. The father wasn't the son...you are accusing me of saying what I am not saying. God changes his dispensation for each era or circumstance.
@Maxim0Bularan You are missing what I am saying. The father's voice came from heaven. But it also came from the burning bush, so was the father removed from heaven when he spoke from the bush? The point is he is omnipresent. If God speaks from your heart, did he leave heaven to come into you and speak to you? God is in you, yet also in me. The father wasn't the son...you are accusing me of saying what I am not saying. God changes his dispensation for each era or circumstance.
@Maxim0Bularan There are 7 compound names of Jehovah Rapphi, Jireh, Itzkanu etc. (spelling may be off). These names had characteristics of what God did for the needs of we the people. One is provider, one is refuge, one is healer, etc. God chose to use different names because names denote authority. There is no authority in father as a title. Furthermore, the name itself isn't all of it either, it is being IN his name as being IN his will and IN his Word.
@Maxim0Bularan I also posit that if Jesus (that fleshly body) was the 3rd person in a godhead, then why would the Holy Ghost have to descend into him before his ministry could even take place? If they are co-equal, then why the need for the Holy Spirit to incarnate him at all? The flesh wasn't God, but it was God's flesh. It was a man as you and I are, yet without sin. It had to be that way. God had to allow a flesh body to be tempted with the same consciousness as we. That is scripture.
@Maxim0Bularan Also, the voice of God is the expressed Word of God. Jehovah of the OT, Jesus of the NT.
It's also worth noting that you do not respond to any of my posts at all. This is a dialogue, not an inquisition. That's a very old school Catholic approach. And that led to some pretty nasty outcomes.
To remain pagan, believing in polytheism (and yes that is what it is, regardless of how you slice it), is your American right. But I will believe no such thing(s).
@Maxim0Bularan Also, the voice of God is the expressed Word of God. Jehovah of the OT, Jesus of the NT.
It's also worth noting that you do not respond to any of my posts at all. This is a dialogue, not an inquisition. That's a very old school Catholic approach. And that led to some pretty nasty outcomes.
To remain pagan, believing in polytheism (and yes that is what it is, regardless of how you slice it), is your American right. But I will believe no such thing(s).
@Maxim0Bularan Since you don't seem to fully comprehend or understand the difference between poly and monotheism, you may want to ask your friend Br. Eli to answer these questions for you. The real question that you have to ask is - do you really understand what you are believing? Do you really understand where the Trinitarian dogma came from? How it is responsible for many thousands of deaths since the 2nd century? (The original Christians baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ)
@larry1961 just continue watching brother, one day God will open your mind if you are sincere searching for the truth ......."And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Acts 16:14
@Maxim0Bularan I see you already knew what scripture I was heading to lol but in Isaiah 44:24 the Father is claiming to have made everything "Alone" and by "Myself". And what about Isaiah 45:12? Or Col 1:15-18? Or Job 33:4?
@pupils011 of course God the father "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; " Isaiah 44:24......... but it doesnt mean that jesus is not a co creator or not existing yet during creations
@Maxim0Bularan WHAT PART OF ALONE AND BY MYSELF DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND OF THAT VERSE?? AND WHAT PART OF "THERE IS NO ONE BESIDE ME" AND "I KNOW NOT ANY" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?? IT'S LIKE THE LORD KNEW WE WOULD HAVE THIS DEBATE THAT LASTED CENTURIES!! AND HE WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IT WAY BEFORE HAND WITH THESE SCRIPTURES..LOLOLOL
@stedmans4christ Jesus is there already when God beginning his creations..The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust--Prov. 8:22
@pupils011 " Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!" Proverbs 30:4
@Maxim0Bularan of course angels aren't God but let's break down that verse Elohim(plural) vayomere(singular). The word for said is a third person singular which is connected with Elohim which means only Elohim is talking not a third person plural
OH PLEEZEEEE !! To be a person... means to be a human being and to be a human being means you have to be BORN into this world. THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEGOTTON OF THE FATHER... THERE WAS ONLY ONE BORN INTO THIS WORLD TO BECOME A PERSON AND LO AND BEHOLD WHO IS IT !! JESUS CHRIST THE BODY OF THE LIVING GOD !!
And I accept any scripture that will prove the oneness view wrong so if what I believe is false and prove it with scripture unlike most people I believe what I believe because I have studied it not just because it is what I was taught
The Oneness and the Trinitarians are both inaccurate about Jesus Christ, for they both accept not all the scriptures that were spoken about him. Scriptures they cannot deny they twist and scriptures they cannot twist they deny, they label the other a cult, albeit both of them indoctrinate lies. Did not the bible recites that the Deity is a complexity? Meaning that it is a mystery? Which also mean it will be hard to understand or explain.
So then tell me how can you judge and condemn someone on something that God himself said that it will be hard to explain. Have you not learned that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I have listened to the end of both of y'all arguments and the things y'all have said about him are lies. It is not the truth you are contending for, for you have denied that, but it is your own tradition, the tradition of your denominations.
So then tell me how can you judge and condemn someone on something that God himself said that it will be hard to explain. Have you not learned that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I have listened to the end of both of y'all arguments and the things y'all have said about him are lies. It is not the truth you are contending for, for you have denied that, but it is your own tradition, the tradition of your denominations.
The Oneness and the Trinitarians are both inaccurate about Jesus Christ, for they both accept not all the scriptures that were spoken about him. Scriptures they cannot deny they twist and scriptures they cannot twist they deny, they label the other a cult, albeit both of them indoctrinate lies. Did not the bible recites that the Deity is a complexity? Meaning that it is a mystery? Which also mean it will be hard to understand or explain.
@pupils LOL..so you mean when jesus incarnate theres no father anymore in heaven..funny belief...you must know the meaning of elohim..."Let us make.." .Elohim said that...dont tell me angels are part of elohim
@Maxim0Bularan That's only saying that the prophets knew of Christ coming before he was born That does not prove his pre-existence as a separate divine person.
@pupils011 " Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" John 8:56-58...dont tell me that jesus is not existing yet in this verse he said it already here.
@pupils011 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:1-3,14..jesus has his being already before he born of maria.
That's impossible when Jesus didn't exist prior to his incarnation except in the mind and forethought or foreknowledge of God. Before his incarnation he existed as the Father and 2nd I'm not watching that heretic....... Actually I'll watch him just to see what he has to say but I bet my bottom dollar he's just a heretic.
@pupils011 LOL..who told you that jesus didnt exist yet prior to his incarnation he teached prophets already before his incarnation..."Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." I Peter 1:10-11
@Maxim0Bularan I can't because angels aren't a co-creator but that's not what where discussing are we are discussing is God talking to angels or another person of your holy trinity which seems impossible when scripture clearly talks about God Creating the Earth alone and by himself and God repeatedly says theirs no one beside him.
@pupils011 its not the angels he was talking with, the one he was talking with was also a co creator and has the same image of God..." Let us make man in our own image.." who was that .."in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,.." II Cor. 4:4...he was talking to his son jesus christ,..read the whole bible and u cant read a singel verse that angels have the same image of God.
@pupils011 can u supply me a verse that angels are co creator of God, or its just another presumptions of your twilight mind...LOL...the verse says: " Let us make man...."..God doesnt need the counsel of the angels..LOL.. where did you got that stupid belief?
@Maxim0Bularan Everything is made in God's image in the sense that angels are holy and God is holy. God is life everything that has life reflects God. That's how angels are made in his image now do they physically exactly like him? That's another story.
@pupils011thats only your presumptions but thats not written in the bible...in the verse " let us make man.." is it fair to say that God need angels opinions when he created something?..jathomas said that God was talking to congregations of angels when he said that
Jesus is the Son of God because in John 1:12-13. Sons of God are those not born of blood,flesh, or will of man but of God. Jesus was the human form but there was no sin in him since he was God himself. When we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ we are born again, but this time in spirit, meaning we leave our old life, habits and sins behind becoming a pure, sinless person like God was in Jesus, like God was in the human form. Always believing and adoring God and abiding by his law.
If you read Acts 2:38 the Bible says that Peter said to them: "Repent,and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". 1 Timothy 3-16: "God was manifest in the flesh". John 10:30 "I and my father are one". And there are so many more that prove that Jesus is God, and that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one.
continuing with verse 8 the Bible says: "and there are 3 that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these 3 agree in one. It really can´t be any more clearer than that. Most people say believe in the trinity because in St. Mathew 28:19 says: "baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost". But what is the name of the Father, the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Ghost, is it not Jesus Christ, is it not God?
If you read in the new Testament John chap. 14 verse 1-11 you will understand that Jesus is God himself, that he and God are one. From verse 16-21 you will understand that the Holy Spirit is also God. God is one, he has 3, jobs. He is God almighty, he comes unto the world in human form as Jesus Christ, and he is also the Holy Spirit. If you still don´t understand read 1 John chap.5 verse 7: "for there are 3 that bear record in heaven, the Father, Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these 3 are one.
@demerclark yes echad also means a unity but it can also b used to describe a singular one for example God took one (echad) of adams ribs. Well maybe God didn't take one rib maybe he took a slab of ribs
@demerathclark just because Elohim is plural doesn't mean God is more than one person God called Moses Elohim so does that mean Moses is a plurality of persons?
@pupils011 you didnt understand what you are saying, " When God said....Let US make man in our own image..." isnt it more than 1 person is talking there?
@Maxim0Bularan No it is you who does not understand, he was speaking to a congregation of angels. Were made in the Image of God because Yeshua is God.
@jathomas901 where can you read in the bible that angels have the same image of God? Its just your presumption but i can read that jesus has the same image of God ....."Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrew 1:3
@jathomas901 LOL.. i dont know if you are dumb..God didnt need the opinions of the angels when he created things..the verse says .." ..Let us make man....." the one who he is talking to is a co creator..is angel a co creator of God?
@Maxim0Bularan Darkness cant comprehend the light, its so simple. People like you who over complicate matters that children can easily conceive are the worst thing happening to the faith. Goodbye. And calling me dumb? Only children go to such levels to prove there intellect with no weight behind it.
God is one (אחד 'echâd) as a husband and wife are one (אחד 'echâd) body. "אלהים" "'ĕlôhı̂ym" is plural, "אחד" "'echâd" is plural in the Greek as well
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one (εἷς, heis) Lord:" (Mark 12:29)
@Mrhellowww1 the flesh is God because it's his body but it's not him because Jesus and God are two different people for example your flesh is you but at the same time it's not you because your flesh is just a home for your soul
So who do you pray & worship? Jesus? or the only God that Jesus prays & worships? Everything Jesus did & fulfilled was His Father who loves us & sent His only Son. Mr Bernard is a smart man but interpreted the Bible according to his own knowledge.
I am saved and believe in Jesus. The Music is great.
After a review of Oneness, how can it be true? Jesus said in Matthew 27:46
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d]
Since Jesus words are true, the Father had left Jesus.
If Jesus Flesh was speaking, Jesus Flesh would not be God and could not pay for our sins. It is just image of God, but that is not God.
some see three kinds of awareness of one Spirit: aware of all things past and future as the Father, aware of his desire for a Bride as the Son, in his heart (Jn 1 'in the bosom of the Father), and aware of all the internal goings on of his church as the Holy Spirit.
II Pet 1:1 SHOULD read: "... to those that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of GOD *and* our Savior Jesus Christ."
We read in I Pet 1:3: "Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Jesus has a GOD and Father ... the same one believers do as demonstrated by Jesus' own statement upon his ascension: "... I go to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Jn 20:17
Titus 2:13 is best understood in the light of other scripture. We see in Zech 14:5 that "...the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee". We are given clear understanding of its meaning by Matt 16:27, "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels..."
Jesus comes in the stead of His Father because God is light and cannot interface with sinful mankind, I Tim 6:16, I Jn 1:5, ... the reason Jesus rules FOR Him, I Cor 15:24-28.
@Str8Talker365 Jesus Himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending..." Revelation 1:8. Before Him there was no one, after Him, there's no one. Which means He is God.
1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..." God Himself came down to earth as the form of flesh, in the form of Jesus Christ.
That's EXACTLY right. Matthew 1:23 Emmanuel means "God with us". Jesus is with us. Jesus is God.
BOTH Oneness and Trinitarian dogma are heresies because Jesus is not God, either by "substance" or "person". These theologies are actually the same, making "GOD" "three 'something'". Oneness teaches that God is three "substances", not "persons", and Trinitarians teach that God is three "persons" not "substances".
The truth is that GOD is ONE and is the FATHER ALONE. Jesus Christ is His Son, who DIED (a thing GOD could not do), and was raised to life by the ONLY ONE WHO GIVES LIFE, GOD.
@Str8Talker365 To be Honest that is not exactly true. Oneness does not even address the issue of substance. Secondly; 1 John 1:20, John 1:14. Isaiah 9:6, & 1 Timothy 2:16 all state this quite plainly. This is why JW's and Oneness Pentecostal's really don't believe the same thing. Even though it is alway debated that they do. It is JW's who hold an arian vew of the Godhead and deny the diety of Immanuel whis being interpreted is God With us!!. Nuff Said!
"How GOD anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and with power, who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM." Acts 10:38
God was with Jesus also. Matthew 1:23 does NOT teach that Jesus is God. "Immanuel" meaning "God with us" reiterates that fact that Jesus did and spoke the Father's will, and was the prophet Moses spoke of in Deut. 18:18.
@Str8Talker365 : John 1:1 In the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God... Verse 14 Clearly states.."and the "WORD was MADE FLESH. In Revelations says JESUS IS THE ALPA AND THE OMEGA THE BEGINNING AND THE END... HE IS THE FIRST AND LAST.. REV 1:
@Str8Talker365 Now this Guy is an Arian! As you can see arianism and Oneness aren't the same. As to your earlier about Matt 1:23. God with us... My bad I thought the bible meant what it says. So you're saying that when it says God with us.... it actually means something other than what it says Right!!!!
If Matthew 1:23, "God with us" means that Jesus is God, then how is it that God was also with Jesus in Acts 10:38?
"... God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and with power ... for God was with him."
Because Jesus came to do and speak the Father's will, we can know about God through Jesus Christ. Jesus is not God. He is the only begotten Son of God. This is who we are to confess Jesus is ... the Son of God. I John 4:15
Oneness apostolics have the same effect on trinitarians as jesus had on the pharisees, and it says in matthew 10:22 "that we'll be hated of all men for HIS names sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be saved". And i beleive that the hatred is rising, and the same way the pharisees hated Jesus for the very reason his doctrine brought conviction to them is the very effect that we have on the false doctrine of the trinity. And my friends Jesus was crucified becuase of it.
Dr Bernard, you have a copywritten expose on the web which I have contacted you about to get permission to email that pdf to a minister of another faith. Can you take the time to maybe get ahold of me on my account? Just give me permission to share your writings please. Or let me know one way or the other. I have left a few message with your secretary then ran into this youtube post. Please reply Dr. Bernard. Thank you.
julieoftheearth1 4 days ago
The word "WORD" came from the Greek word LOGOS which means the EXPRESSION OF THOUGHT and not merely the thinking of a thought (Grk: noema) or the reasoning (Grk: dialogismos). One cannot separate man from his mind (Grk: nouns) wherein are his thoughts. So, as long as the Almighty is, His Mind is in Him.
TheEli1963 2 months ago
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ETHANGELIST 2 months ago
The blind believe more of the comic heroes many superpower than the power that the real God can make. That one God manifested in the flesh so that one flesh is the only pure and clean that will be a sacrificial lamb and offering to God for the redemption of the sins of humanity for those who will believe. Jesus Christ was not born ordinarilly. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God, The Father to the virgin Mary.
zedrev01 2 months ago
When the Son of God, Son of Man, Lamb of God, Son of David, etc., comes back here on earth blazing with fire you will know that His name is Jesus. He is the true God. Where is the God, the Father then? Being a Spirit He is with the Son and the Son in Him. For God is a Spirit and He can not be in one place where the flesh (Son) is only. He is infinite and is everywhere He pleases to be. He is God and not man.
zedrev01 2 months ago 2
I there such a word as oneness and trinity. I prefer One God and that is Jesus, the name above every name.
zedrev01 2 months ago 2
@MrHellowwww1 hey there buddy! D6:4 uses echad...yup. You push three there...how about zech 14:9 echad used there...but there the Lord and His name is ONE. Be consistent...rightly dividing the word of truth and all that.
diggadoo12 3 months ago
@diggadoo12 Adam and Eve echad flesh or Adam and Eve became one flesh. Echad is one, but it can be simple or compound one. Echad by itself proves nothing, but why would God use three names with echad? God using three names with echad, and that makes the statement. Why is the statement about God different than Adam and Eve echad with two names and echad?
MrHellowwww1 3 months ago
@danielezerable sir you have no grasp one oneness theology. You may think that you do...but you attempt to present logic is clearly from a slanted and unfounded position. God bless and light your pursuit of Biblical knowledge.
diggadoo12 3 months ago
The trinity reminds me of greek mythology, how their were sons but the god who created all was the father zeus. If it weren't for the bible telling us that their is ONE god, then most of the trinitarians would call The Father, The Son, And the Holy Ghost God>S<, If it's omnipresent, it blesses you, and it's something you worship IT'S A GOD!!! Baptist would tell me " You can't just worship GOD, you have to worship his son to!" THAT'S TWO BEINGS!!!!!
kickapoondn 3 months ago
@kickapoondn Another ignorant Oneness. The foundation of the Trinity doctrine is that is one God. You can create your own version of the Trinity but is it dishonest and a lie.
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 The foundation of the Trinity Doctrine if you follow the Southern Baptist university or the Catholi studies you will find out that they say that God is three Seperate Persons, that they are not the same, which is a lie and not Bible
TheKingIscomingback 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback Can you prove your statement? Where do we see that the word "God" means person?
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 Never said God meant persons, But actually go study the Trinity doctrine, or even listen to the old hymn "Holy Holy Holy.............God in three Persons, Blessed trinity." Which is not found anywhere in scripture
TheKingIscomingback 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback So, are your saying that every word that is coined to used to express something that the bible says is a false doctrine?
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 What are you even talking about, make sense before you start typing, i am saying the trinity doctrine is false, based on the definition given by the Catholics and the the southern baptist university
No where in scripture does it show that God is three seperate persons, it states back to back that he is one. read your bible before you start lashing out at people
TheKingIscomingback 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback You said: "God in three Persons, Blessed trinity." Which is not found anywhere in scripture." You are making the claim that 1) God in three persons and 2) "trinity"- are not found in Scripture. I asked you the very simple question, and I will type is slower for you this time. Regarding the trinity I asked: "So, are your saying that every word that is coined (such as "trinity) to used to express something that the bible says is a false doctrine?"
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback Part II. If you understood the grammar you would see that God was indeed revealed in three distinct persons. Do you trust in the grammar or do you reject it so you can be right?
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback Part III In response to your comment about “persons.” Oneness teach that there are mutually exclusive personal acts between the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, yet at the same time assert that these three personal subject are the same person. This violated the laws of reason and logic. If the three act in three distinct personal ways, that makes them three distinct persons. This does not violate the laws of reason and logic.
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 i will make it simpiler terms. Lets look at a Man. Lets ask a question Is he or can he be a father?,answer: Yes 2. Is he a son? answer : yes 3. Has he or can he counsel comfort guide teach or counsel someone? Answer: Of course. How many persons is he? Answer 1. So based on this info If this man is created after the image of God, After God's likenesss. Then tell me how can God be three persons, when this man, created after his image, be one.
TheKingIscomingback 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback The real question is not whether a man can be a father or son, the real question is, can a man be his own father and his own son.
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 Your speaking of A spiritual Being ( The Father) and A physical Being ( the Son) But God Being the Spiritual being He is, is shown in 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." John 1:1; 1:14 "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (cont.)
TheKingIscomingback 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback Regarding 1 Tim. Who was received up in glory? The Father? Who came in the flesh? (1 John 4:2;15) Who was manifested as per 1 Tim 3:16? (1 John 3:8).
1Jn 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
The Son of God was manifested in the flesh.
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And one last question "How many Thrones are there?"And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb forever and ever" Rev 5:13
TheKingIscomingback 3 months ago
@TheKingIscomingback And who is the word according to the context? Is He the Father or the Son of God? See verse 34
How many thrones? One. Who sits on the throne?
Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Who sit down with the Father on the Father's throne?
TheLayman316 3 months ago
@TheLayman316 At the end are you asking me if it's a dishonest and a lie or what? And the Trinity Doctrine is "Trinity defines God as three divine PERSONS (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three PERSONS are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial." 1+1+1 = "Gasp!" 3! Father, Son, Holy Ghost are titles not three seperate beings.
kickapoondn 3 months ago
@kickapoondn And yet you have not disproved the doctrine of the Trinity! Why is that?
TheLayman316 3 months ago
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@kickapoondn I noticed that you did not deal with my question regarding the grammar of Scripture. Here is the question again.
I worte: If you understood the grammar you would see that God was indeed revealed in three distinct persons. Do you trust in the grammar or do you reject it so you can be right?
TheLayman316 3 months ago
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kickapoondn 3 months ago
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moisesokok 3 months ago
Wow! What a flow of logic (flawed or not) and what an emotional dedication!! Have anyone warned them the danger of taking logic too emotionally? AFAIK, he at no time contradicts the "trinitarian" position, except for the usual loony confusion between "persona" and "personality". If this dedication instead were used for merging this "oneness" position with the "trinitarian" position, world would be a place of peace. By the way: different personae does not imply different wills/purposes.
siderespector 3 months ago
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Jew for Jesus, The Shema D6:4, has 3 names for God with three parts while Rabbi pray with three fingers making the Hebrew character Shin. In Hebrew from the OT Elohim(Gods) used 2400+ vs El(God) used 200+. Why would God of Israel use plural when talking about himself 2000 vs 200? Jesus said in M 28 19 Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
MrHellowwww1 3 months ago
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there are one GOD,. Isaiah 43:10-11 Daniel 2:28 Isaiah 44:6-8 Isaiah 46:9 1 Timothy 2:5 Roma 9:5 1 John 5:20 John 8:58 Exo.3:13-14 marami pa yan pera yan sapat na para malaman nyo na iisa lang ang PANGINOON. SANTIAGO 2:19 EVEN DEVILS BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONE GOD..
decarpiosteve 4 months ago
i see why jews hate the religious americnas..the jews ALWAYS believed in one God numerically...Moses never taught the law to the israelites about a 3person godhead..who woud wanna worship someone with 3 heads??
cdogg2581 4 months ago 8
@cdogg2581 The Shema or d6:4 has three names for God in Hebrew with 3 parts while the Rabbi pray with 3 fingers make the Hebrew character shin. Genesis 1:26 and Isaiah 6:8 both uses us. The Bible uses Elohim (Gods) 2300+ vs El (God) in Hebrew. The second principle of Judaism is God of unity. See chabad org.
I will send you video on from defending Judaism, Rabbi praying the Shema, and Jews for Jesus.
MrHellowwww1 3 months ago
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@cdogg2581 Your statement is based on ignorance. The Jews reject Jesus Christ as "the Son of God," therefore they reject the Christian God. Do you want to put your faith in what you think the Jews know and understand? If you want to know what Christian Jews believe go to "Jews for Jesus dot org."
TheLayman316 3 months ago
- You can read my other comments in the second part of this video: (2 / 11). I try to explain the simple revelation that I have about Jesus. God bless you.
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BibleFrW 4 months ago
-Who is the ONE God? Suppose that you are named Peter. You want to create another yourself. This other one created is your Son; another yourself. You are now 2 distinct persons. Each one has his own will, thoughts and feelings. How many persons are there? Two. How many Peter? Only one Peter. These two persons will always be the same Peter. They can talk and have fun together; then this son begins to create; later he became a man named Jos; now the ONE Peter is named Jos. Singular name: Mt 28.19.
BibleFrW 4 months ago
@jillblessed. Husband and wife are one in God eyes. Yet we can see there are two. You still do not explain
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. The testimony of two. If you are saying the Father and Son are the same person you only have one person no witnes
yizzod1 4 months ago
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
BibleFrW 4 months ago
JESUS IS ONE GOD AND DAR IS NON, LERS ONE FITE ONE baptism ,... god beless
shawn112789 5 months ago
I have yet to hear a oneness respond to
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
yizzod1 5 months ago
@yizzod1 That is the man Jesus speaking out of his flesh, not the God speaking thru the Flesh. iAm so Dissapointed that so many people can not understand the difference. He Was 100% Man AND 100% GOD, does that help? John 10:30- I and my Father are ONE.
JIIBlessed 4 months ago
@JIIBlessed HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is why Arianism trumps! Because for Oneness, Jesus is a man but the God part is not and the man part walked earth so Jesus's body was an illusion - DOCETICISM! Oneness Pentecostals are going to Hell. Trinitarians also do the same with a God-man insisting that Jesus was a servant on earth yet still claimed to be God which wouldn't make Him a servant anymore. This is why you should recant and study about God with the Watchtower.
Danielezerable 3 months ago
I have yet to hear a person of the oneness religion respond to John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also
yizzod1 5 months ago
You can see the trinitarian getting nervous...
SilkEclipse 5 months ago
Can O' Worms!!!! LOL. I am oneness however, I can really confuse people on either side. I can get the oneness pentecostal thinking...hmmmmm. Same with the trinitarian. Lets just all come together and worship JHVH!!!!!!
gnzoz 5 months ago
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youneekk 5 months ago
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I am a Christian, but I do not believe in the Trinity doctrine. If you want to know what I believe is the truth, see my video upload, "Understanding God and Jesus"
jkbugout 5 months ago
Everything in the bible is inspired by God friend. There is no arguement, he will have the final say. John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Jgeddis21 6 months ago
Listen to Bishop Michael Geddis one of the greatest oneness preachers on the globe. Message " God said it, I believe it, That settles it"
Jgeddis21 6 months ago
@Jgeddis21 What did God say?? All you said was God said it, that settles it..Yea, but just what did God say?? You guys do this all the time. If you dare to get back to me, I will change your mind on this..actually, I bet you change your mind on this all the time, over and over. We will see, come get some.
HolyRollerSpirit1 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan the problem with the trinity is not the plurality of persons it's the plurality of Divine persons. O and let's not forget Isaiah 64:8
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 Jesus is there already when God beginning his creations..The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world" Prov. 8:22
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Jesus is talking about being in the relationship of our Savior...The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. You can't just take this one scripture and ignore all others including as plain as day ones like 1st Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh..how plain can you get??? There's only ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM
stedmans4christ 6 months ago
@stedmans4christ Whos is God talking to when he said..." Let US make man...."?
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan have you ever heard of speaking in second person
onefaithonebaptism1 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Your question first begs the question....what is God? If God says let us...then God must be a person or being. The Scripture says God is a spirit. Now if God is a spirit, how can 3 persons (2 of which are called spirit ) encompass the same God unless God is not a spirit but simply a position of authority that 3 different persons share? If that doesn't make sense, then look at it this way. If 3 persons make up God, then God must be a position and not a person . Make sense?
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 Do you know the meaning of Godhead? do you know a uniplural word, like family etc. in family theres a father, mother, sons and daughters.
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan God is not uni-plural in the sense of beings because the word means object of worship or Elohim. God is uni-plural in that uni - is one person and plural in the dispensations of that person. The burning bush for example wasn't another person and the cloud by day and fire by night. They were all manifestations of God. To not understand the Godhead and Jesus own life is to not understand our own roles in the Kingdom of God.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 "You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." John 14:28..there are two distinctive character here the father and the son..both of them are Gods
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan There are two distinct dispensations. He had to go away come back in the form of the Holy Spirit. The son of God came like common man. There was a dual-nature to the Son of God in that he had to be all man who was tempted as we are. If he had been God in that flesh from the beginning it wouldn't have been perceived as overcoming as we do. God surely came in the flesh, but not completely from the beginning. In Acts he was made both Lord and Christ, but was not so from birth.
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Also, he had to go away because in that form, he couldn't be "In you" until he went to the Father (position of spirit).
Also, if you have a trinity in the NT you must also have one in the OT.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 the father and the son are 2 entity being.. the son is sitting in the right hand of the God, so he is not the father.
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan The son is a dispensation or office of God. The son went to the right hand or Power of God. He became the power of God.
It simply shows that God works in offices according to the needs of the time or dispensation. Jesus was the need for that day and age, just as a pillar of fire was the need for the children of Israel going through the wilderness. It wasn't 3 persons in a burning bush. As I said, if you have a trinity in the NT you must have one in the OT and you do not.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 are you out of your mind , if he is also the father why did he said that .."the father is greater than I" John 14:28...what is in your thoughts is not written in the bible its just a heresies ..watch Bro. ELI SORIANO.
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan The office of the father is greater indeed. But it is an office. It is not a person but the title of a person. Matthew 28:19 are titles. Jesus said this and a few days later Peter baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. Remember trinitarianism is a Catholic dogma started after the 1st century but was not so from the beginning and if it wasn't so from the start, then it is an imitation. I have watched this man...he is not a prophet.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 Jesus asked Perter "Who do men say that I am?" This was the revelation and the subject. Not Peter being a pope but who Jesus was. Peter understood he was the offspring of God. God making Himself flesh to live and feel as we did and to be tempted. God could not send a substitute. The scripture never mentions 3 distinct persons. There are 3 manifestations of the same God - spirit - being. God is not a word like "family" God is a spirit not a title. Father is a title.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 office of the father? its not written in the bible the father indeed is a character like the son they are not office...Both of them existed already before God created all.
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Try to break down what you are saying. Are you a father? Son? Husband? What is the difference? They are positions not names. Don't try to rationalize a believe...but get down to the foundation and really look at these nouns. Father is not a person, although a person can be a father. Father is the position given to one who has brought a son/daughter into the world. Father is the necessary position of complete headship overall. Jesus is husband, but husband isn't a person.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 LOL if jesus is also the father before he incarnate , who is the voice that in heaven that said to the apostles.." He is my Beloved Son." if jesus is also the father. cant see the logic of what youre sayin
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan No Jesus was not his own father. That is a misconception of many oneness people. Jesus was the Son of God. But he was made flesh. The flesh was not God in and of itself. Yes he was His beloved son..."IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED!" Also interpreted In Whom I am pleased to dwell".
You aren't understanding that God became a son to be as us to show us the way...as a son. God is a spirit. who as Father is above us all, but as son, became as us. It takes revelation to see that.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 im asking you who is that voice in heaven that the apostles heard when jesus was with them, if father made flesh?
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan You are missing what I am saying. The father's voice came from heaven. But it also came from the burning bush, so was the father removed from heaven when he spoke from the bush? The point is he is omnipresent. If God speaks from your heart, did he leave heaven to come into you and speak to you? God is in you, yet also in me. The father wasn't the son...you are accusing me of saying what I am not saying. God changes his dispensation for each era or circumstance.
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan You are missing what I am saying. The father's voice came from heaven. But it also came from the burning bush, so was the father removed from heaven when he spoke from the bush? The point is he is omnipresent. If God speaks from your heart, did he leave heaven to come into you and speak to you? God is in you, yet also in me. The father wasn't the son...you are accusing me of saying what I am not saying. God changes his dispensation for each era or circumstance.
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan There are 7 compound names of Jehovah Rapphi, Jireh, Itzkanu etc. (spelling may be off). These names had characteristics of what God did for the needs of we the people. One is provider, one is refuge, one is healer, etc. God chose to use different names because names denote authority. There is no authority in father as a title. Furthermore, the name itself isn't all of it either, it is being IN his name as being IN his will and IN his Word.
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 you are not answering my question..who is that voice in heaven when jesus was in earth?
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan That's easy. It is the voice of God
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan I also posit that if Jesus (that fleshly body) was the 3rd person in a godhead, then why would the Holy Ghost have to descend into him before his ministry could even take place? If they are co-equal, then why the need for the Holy Spirit to incarnate him at all? The flesh wasn't God, but it was God's flesh. It was a man as you and I are, yet without sin. It had to be that way. God had to allow a flesh body to be tempted with the same consciousness as we. That is scripture.
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Also, the voice of God is the expressed Word of God. Jehovah of the OT, Jesus of the NT.
It's also worth noting that you do not respond to any of my posts at all. This is a dialogue, not an inquisition. That's a very old school Catholic approach. And that led to some pretty nasty outcomes.
To remain pagan, believing in polytheism (and yes that is what it is, regardless of how you slice it), is your American right. But I will believe no such thing(s).
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Also, the voice of God is the expressed Word of God. Jehovah of the OT, Jesus of the NT.
It's also worth noting that you do not respond to any of my posts at all. This is a dialogue, not an inquisition. That's a very old school Catholic approach. And that led to some pretty nasty outcomes.
To remain pagan, believing in polytheism (and yes that is what it is, regardless of how you slice it), is your American right. But I will believe no such thing(s).
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 watch ...bro. ELI SORIANO
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Sigh....you might listen to Brother William Branham
larry1961 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Since you don't seem to fully comprehend or understand the difference between poly and monotheism, you may want to ask your friend Br. Eli to answer these questions for you. The real question that you have to ask is - do you really understand what you are believing? Do you really understand where the Trinitarian dogma came from? How it is responsible for many thousands of deaths since the 2nd century? (The original Christians baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ)
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 Watch Brother ELI SORIANO..here in youtube
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Eli Soriano? I just watched a bit of a video. He doesn't believe in a pastoral ministry?
larry1961 5 months ago
@larry1961 just continue watching brother, one day God will open your mind if you are sincere searching for the truth ......."And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul." Acts 16:14
Maxim0Bularan 5 months ago
Respond to this video... watch bro. eli soriano you can ask him about this
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan I see you already knew what scripture I was heading to lol but in Isaiah 44:24 the Father is claiming to have made everything "Alone" and by "Myself". And what about Isaiah 45:12? Or Col 1:15-18? Or Job 33:4?
pupils011 6 months ago
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Or God the holy Spirit?
pupils011 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan I have a question who is the creator God the father or God the son?
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 of course God the father "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; " Isaiah 44:24......... but it doesnt mean that jesus is not a co creator or not existing yet during creations
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan WHAT PART OF ALONE AND BY MYSELF DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND OF THAT VERSE?? AND WHAT PART OF "THERE IS NO ONE BESIDE ME" AND "I KNOW NOT ANY" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?? IT'S LIKE THE LORD KNEW WE WOULD HAVE THIS DEBATE THAT LASTED CENTURIES!! AND HE WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IT WAY BEFORE HAND WITH THESE SCRIPTURES..LOLOLOL
stedmans4christ 6 months ago
@stedmans4christ but it doesnt mean that jesus christ is not existing yet during creations.
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@stedmans4christ Jesus is there already when God beginning his creations..The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust--Prov. 8:22
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@pupils011 " Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!" Proverbs 30:4
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan of course angels aren't God but let's break down that verse Elohim(plural) vayomere(singular). The word for said is a third person singular which is connected with Elohim which means only Elohim is talking not a third person plural
pupils011 6 months ago
YOU TRINITARIANS ARE TRYING TO REDEFINE THE WORD PERSON !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
OH PLEEZEEEE !! To be a person... means to be a human being and to be a human being means you have to be BORN into this world. THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEGOTTON OF THE FATHER... THERE WAS ONLY ONE BORN INTO THIS WORLD TO BECOME A PERSON AND LO AND BEHOLD WHO IS IT !! JESUS CHRIST THE BODY OF THE LIVING GOD !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
And I accept any scripture that will prove the oneness view wrong so if what I believe is false and prove it with scripture unlike most people I believe what I believe because I have studied it not just because it is what I was taught
pupils011 6 months ago
@prophetwareed then enlighten me brother
pupils011 6 months ago
The Oneness and the Trinitarians are both inaccurate about Jesus Christ, for they both accept not all the scriptures that were spoken about him. Scriptures they cannot deny they twist and scriptures they cannot twist they deny, they label the other a cult, albeit both of them indoctrinate lies. Did not the bible recites that the Deity is a complexity? Meaning that it is a mystery? Which also mean it will be hard to understand or explain.
prophetwareed 6 months ago
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So then tell me how can you judge and condemn someone on something that God himself said that it will be hard to explain. Have you not learned that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I have listened to the end of both of y'all arguments and the things y'all have said about him are lies. It is not the truth you are contending for, for you have denied that, but it is your own tradition, the tradition of your denominations.
prophetwareed 6 months ago
So then tell me how can you judge and condemn someone on something that God himself said that it will be hard to explain. Have you not learned that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. I have listened to the end of both of y'all arguments and the things y'all have said about him are lies. It is not the truth you are contending for, for you have denied that, but it is your own tradition, the tradition of your denominations.
prophetwareed 6 months ago
The Oneness and the Trinitarians are both inaccurate about Jesus Christ, for they both accept not all the scriptures that were spoken about him. Scriptures they cannot deny they twist and scriptures they cannot twist they deny, they label the other a cult, albeit both of them indoctrinate lies. Did not the bible recites that the Deity is a complexity? Meaning that it is a mystery? Which also mean it will be hard to understand or explain.
prophetwareed 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bulran your right Jesus did exist before his incarnation.......... "AS THE FATHER"
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils LOL..so you mean when jesus incarnate theres no father anymore in heaven..funny belief...you must know the meaning of elohim..."Let us make.." .Elohim said that...dont tell me angels are part of elohim
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan That's only saying that the prophets knew of Christ coming before he was born That does not prove his pre-existence as a separate divine person.
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 " Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am" John 8:56-58...dont tell me that jesus is not existing yet in this verse he said it already here.
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@pupils011 watc bro. eli soriano..here in youtube
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@pupils011 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:1-3,14..jesus has his being already before he born of maria.
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
That's impossible when Jesus didn't exist prior to his incarnation except in the mind and forethought or foreknowledge of God. Before his incarnation he existed as the Father and 2nd I'm not watching that heretic....... Actually I'll watch him just to see what he has to say but I bet my bottom dollar he's just a heretic.
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 LOL..who told you that jesus didnt exist yet prior to his incarnation he teached prophets already before his incarnation..."Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." I Peter 1:10-11
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
No one in Youtube can prove my existence therefore I do not exist. What you are reading is just your imagination.
ikawpipa 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan I can't because angels aren't a co-creator but that's not what where discussing are we are discussing is God talking to angels or another person of your holy trinity which seems impossible when scripture clearly talks about God Creating the Earth alone and by himself and God repeatedly says theirs no one beside him.
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 its not the angels he was talking with, the one he was talking with was also a co creator and has the same image of God..." Let us make man in our own image.." who was that .."in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God,.." II Cor. 4:4...he was talking to his son jesus christ,..read the whole bible and u cant read a singel verse that angels have the same image of God.
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@pupils011 watch bro. eli soriano
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan yes he was talking to a congregation of angels. Does God NEED a angels opionion heck no but he does ask and council with them.
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011 can u supply me a verse that angels are co creator of God, or its just another presumptions of your twilight mind...LOL...the verse says: " Let us make man...."..God doesnt need the counsel of the angels..LOL.. where did you got that stupid belief?
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Everything is made in God's image in the sense that angels are holy and God is holy. God is life everything that has life reflects God. That's how angels are made in his image now do they physically exactly like him? That's another story.
pupils011 6 months ago
@pupils011thats only your presumptions but thats not written in the bible...in the verse " let us make man.." is it fair to say that God need angels opinions when he created something?..jathomas said that God was talking to congregations of angels when he said that
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@jathomas901 exactly
pupils011 6 months ago
Jesus is the Son of God because in John 1:12-13. Sons of God are those not born of blood,flesh, or will of man but of God. Jesus was the human form but there was no sin in him since he was God himself. When we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ we are born again, but this time in spirit, meaning we leave our old life, habits and sins behind becoming a pure, sinless person like God was in Jesus, like God was in the human form. Always believing and adoring God and abiding by his law.
Katherin19100 6 months ago
If you read Acts 2:38 the Bible says that Peter said to them: "Repent,and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". 1 Timothy 3-16: "God was manifest in the flesh". John 10:30 "I and my father are one". And there are so many more that prove that Jesus is God, and that Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are one.
Katherin19100 6 months ago
continuing with verse 8 the Bible says: "and there are 3 that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these 3 agree in one. It really can´t be any more clearer than that. Most people say believe in the trinity because in St. Mathew 28:19 says: "baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost". But what is the name of the Father, the name of the Son and the name of the Holy Ghost, is it not Jesus Christ, is it not God?
Katherin19100 6 months ago
If you read in the new Testament John chap. 14 verse 1-11 you will understand that Jesus is God himself, that he and God are one. From verse 16-21 you will understand that the Holy Spirit is also God. God is one, he has 3, jobs. He is God almighty, he comes unto the world in human form as Jesus Christ, and he is also the Holy Spirit. If you still don´t understand read 1 John chap.5 verse 7: "for there are 3 that bear record in heaven, the Father, Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these 3 are one.
Katherin19100 6 months ago
@demerclark yes echad also means a unity but it can also b used to describe a singular one for example God took one (echad) of adams ribs. Well maybe God didn't take one rib maybe he took a slab of ribs
pupils011 7 months ago
@demerathclark just because Elohim is plural doesn't mean God is more than one person God called Moses Elohim so does that mean Moses is a plurality of persons?
pupils011 7 months ago
@pupils011 you didnt understand what you are saying, " When God said....Let US make man in our own image..." isnt it more than 1 person is talking there?
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan No it is you who does not understand, he was speaking to a congregation of angels. Were made in the Image of God because Yeshua is God.
jathomas901 6 months ago
@jathomas901 where can you read in the bible that angels have the same image of God? Its just your presumption but i can read that jesus has the same image of God ....."Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" Hebrew 1:3
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@jathomas901 watch..Bro. ELI SORIANO.. you will learn a lot from him.thanks
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan I dont wanna learn from your misguided and deceived teachers. Thanks.
jathomas901 6 months ago
@jathomas901 LOL.. i dont know if you are dumb..God didnt need the opinions of the angels when he created things..the verse says .." ..Let us make man....." the one who he is talking to is a co creator..is angel a co creator of God?
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
@Maxim0Bularan Darkness cant comprehend the light, its so simple. People like you who over complicate matters that children can easily conceive are the worst thing happening to the faith. Goodbye. And calling me dumb? Only children go to such levels to prove there intellect with no weight behind it.
jathomas901 6 months ago
@jathomas901 watch bro. eli soriano..just try
Maxim0Bularan 6 months ago
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Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.
(John 8:42)
God is one (אחד 'echâd) as a husband and wife are one (אחד 'echâd) body. "אלהים" "'ĕlôhı̂ym" is plural, "אחד" "'echâd" is plural in the Greek as well
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one (εἷς, heis) Lord:" (Mark 12:29)
notice it doesn't say "mono?" it says "heis"
demerathclark 7 months ago
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demerathclark 7 months ago
@Mrhellowww1 the flesh is God because it's his body but it's not him because Jesus and God are two different people for example your flesh is you but at the same time it's not you because your flesh is just a home for your soul
pupils011 7 months ago
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@pupils011 you`re correct...."For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" Colossians 2:9
Maxim0Bularan 7 months ago
@pupils011 Watch..Bro. Eli Soriano..search here on youtube
Maxim0Bularan 7 months ago
If this oneness preacher face brother ELI Soriano in a DEBATE 100% . he will learn the answers about GOD.
Maxim0Bularan 7 months ago
So who do you pray & worship? Jesus? or the only God that Jesus prays & worships? Everything Jesus did & fulfilled was His Father who loves us & sent His only Son. Mr Bernard is a smart man but interpreted the Bible according to his own knowledge.
leSavaii 7 months ago
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I am saved and believe in Jesus. The Music is great.
After a review of Oneness, how can it be true? Jesus said in Matthew 27:46
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d]
Since Jesus words are true, the Father had left Jesus.
If Jesus Flesh was speaking, Jesus Flesh would not be God and could not pay for our sins. It is just image of God, but that is not God.
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
some see three kinds of awareness of one Spirit: aware of all things past and future as the Father, aware of his desire for a Bride as the Son, in his heart (Jn 1 'in the bosom of the Father), and aware of all the internal goings on of his church as the Holy Spirit.
Solomon7now 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic
II Pet 1:1 SHOULD read: "... to those that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of GOD *and* our Savior Jesus Christ."
We read in I Pet 1:3: "Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Jesus has a GOD and Father ... the same one believers do as demonstrated by Jesus' own statement upon his ascension: "... I go to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Jn 20:17
Jesus is not God. Scripture is consistant.
Str8Talker365 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic
Titus 2:13 is best understood in the light of other scripture. We see in Zech 14:5 that "...the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee". We are given clear understanding of its meaning by Matt 16:27, "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels..."
Jesus comes in the stead of His Father because God is light and cannot interface with sinful mankind, I Tim 6:16, I Jn 1:5, ... the reason Jesus rules FOR Him, I Cor 15:24-28.
Str8Talker365 7 months ago
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I have no problem whatever with the UPC believing in Jesus only. His IS
the only name under heaven by which mankind can be saved. However
while the vast majority of UPC people show the true mark of being
disciples of Jesus: showing love to one-another, now and then you
come across religious people who use "Oneness" as a hateful way
to beat fellow believers over the head.
This is WRONG
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
@TriuneApostolic I am not a Oneness and I do not belong to any denomination I just believe what the bible say
prittydeb 7 months ago
@Str8Talker365 Jesus Himself said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending..." Revelation 1:8. Before Him there was no one, after Him, there's no one. Which means He is God.
1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..." God Himself came down to earth as the form of flesh, in the form of Jesus Christ.
That's EXACTLY right. Matthew 1:23 Emmanuel means "God with us". Jesus is with us. Jesus is God.
SacredJoker 7 months ago
If our gospel is hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
10winsor 7 months ago
the oneness are wrong but God is not three God is one the bible say that and if you say any thing ales you have a false revelation
prittydeb 8 months ago
BOTH Oneness and Trinitarian dogma are heresies because Jesus is not God, either by "substance" or "person". These theologies are actually the same, making "GOD" "three 'something'". Oneness teaches that God is three "substances", not "persons", and Trinitarians teach that God is three "persons" not "substances".
The truth is that GOD is ONE and is the FATHER ALONE. Jesus Christ is His Son, who DIED (a thing GOD could not do), and was raised to life by the ONLY ONE WHO GIVES LIFE, GOD.
Str8Talker365 8 months ago
@Str8Talker365 To be Honest that is not exactly true. Oneness does not even address the issue of substance. Secondly; 1 John 1:20, John 1:14. Isaiah 9:6, & 1 Timothy 2:16 all state this quite plainly. This is why JW's and Oneness Pentecostal's really don't believe the same thing. Even though it is alway debated that they do. It is JW's who hold an arian vew of the Godhead and deny the diety of Immanuel whis being interpreted is God With us!!. Nuff Said!
omac561 8 months ago
@omac561
"How GOD anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and with power, who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM." Acts 10:38
God was with Jesus also. Matthew 1:23 does NOT teach that Jesus is God. "Immanuel" meaning "God with us" reiterates that fact that Jesus did and spoke the Father's will, and was the prophet Moses spoke of in Deut. 18:18.
Str8Talker365 8 months ago
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@Str8Talker365 : John 1:1 In the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God... Verse 14 Clearly states.."and the "WORD was MADE FLESH. In Revelations says JESUS IS THE ALPA AND THE OMEGA THE BEGINNING AND THE END... HE IS THE FIRST AND LAST.. REV 1:
lomeli084 7 months ago
@Str8Talker365 Now this Guy is an Arian! As you can see arianism and Oneness aren't the same. As to your earlier about Matt 1:23. God with us... My bad I thought the bible meant what it says. So you're saying that when it says God with us.... it actually means something other than what it says Right!!!!
omac561 7 months ago
@omac561
If Matthew 1:23, "God with us" means that Jesus is God, then how is it that God was also with Jesus in Acts 10:38?
"... God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the holy spirit and with power ... for God was with him."
Because Jesus came to do and speak the Father's will, we can know about God through Jesus Christ. Jesus is not God. He is the only begotten Son of God. This is who we are to confess Jesus is ... the Son of God. I John 4:15
Str8Talker365 7 months ago
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John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
john 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again.
chrisjwilson8830 8 months ago
Oneness apostolics have the same effect on trinitarians as jesus had on the pharisees, and it says in matthew 10:22 "that we'll be hated of all men for HIS names sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be saved". And i beleive that the hatred is rising, and the same way the pharisees hated Jesus for the very reason his doctrine brought conviction to them is the very effect that we have on the false doctrine of the trinity. And my friends Jesus was crucified becuase of it.
chrisjwilson8830 8 months ago