I dont know what they're saying. It sounds like Italian in a different melody. I like the videography and the location. Thanks for uploading it; I may have to learn Romanian. :)
Interesant filmuletu' . Primul pe care-l vad, de productie romaneasca, cu tema gay.
Mi s-a parut, din film, ca cei doi sunt foarte distanti unul cu celalalt, mult prea protocolari, ceremoniosi, cumva crispati, desi incearca sa para destinsi.
La inceput, isi strang mainile, ambii radiind de speranta. La sfarsit, insa, se despart rece, ambiguu... dezamagiti.
Din pacate multe intalniri "live' se desfasoara asa, iar continuarea mai are de asteptat sau nu exista.
Gay men tend to do this, talk about their “great love” and “old relationships” at the first date, and then they wonder why you leave them there at the end. They usually have no sense of politeness and regard when it comes to this issue. Funny that I was also born in this city. Pacat ca nu are subtritrari, mai multa lume ar intelege.
@eldadevata Well actually the guy left him there and the end and never went up to his place because he had many sexual encounters and previous relationships and he was against having safe sex...he liked the guy but he didn't wanna risk it...it was meant to be educational and promote safe sex...however your idea could work too i guess...sharing too much intimate and private information on the first date is hardly ever a good idea...thanks for the input though...feel free to add anything else :)
@dennisairwolf Well of course I understood the message, although I might add that one sexual relationship is enough for infection you don’t need many(smiles), but this video reminded me how often I see even my friends behaving this way. I guess it’s more related to being a man than being gay(as heterosexual men also tend to say inappropriate things at bat times), but still.
@dennisairwolf It’s not that having a past is a bad thing, but I guess one can one can be perceives as having left parts of himself behind when they share emotions from the past this way, so intensely. It’s like he is not entirely there only what remained of him. You could say that this behaviour has the same effect on me but from an emotional point of view, as the sexual health point of view that is represented here. I guess it all has to do with priorities.
@eldadevata well the only difference is that you can get over emotional pain a lot easier than some STDs...and you can protect yourself against an std...however you can't possibly go through life by avoiding emotional pain...that would require complete isolation...you need to risk it if you ever wanna feel or experience anything healthy...as far as intimate private information is concerned that has to do more with trust than anything else...it can either alienate or bring ppl closer together :)
@eldadevata Emotional pain hardly ever leads to death and years of struggle and it's not contagious...you can heal a lot faster from it with proper meds and therapy...however you can't ever avoid it no matter how responsibly you behave or how self aware you are because you can never control others...you know what they allow you to know...and all relationships end...most of them badly...might as well enjoy it while it lasts and make the best of it...hope for the best and expect the worst :)
@dennisairwolf Well I won’t deny that’s one way to look at it.
On the other hand if you try to see how many people live in unhappy marriages for decades, and how that deteriorates their emotional and ultimately physical health is another. And that’s only one example. Depression, anxiety, panic attacks and so on are also very often if one is emotionally injured. The other outcome might be that one cannot form lasting bond(s) and so on.
@eldadevata well i never had that much luck with family...not really worth getting into...and sexual relationships always tend to come and go and end like in the movie...so friendship probably still remains the strongest and most reliable option for my particular case...from my point of view you can trust and rely on very few ppl and those are the ones worth hanging on to and keeping around...that's why it's never really worth risking your health and life quality for something temporary :)
@eldadevata well you do trust them...until you don't anymore...and they change...and the relationship ends...friends aren't repleaceable...you can have more of them simultaneously...unlike a life partner :)
@dennisairwolf The question is, do you trust them because you know them or do you trust them because you are attracted to them, enjoy the sex, and the like.
I wouldn’t say that there is any handbook saying that you can’t have more life partners than one. Many live in open marriages or relationships for example.
I guess for emotional health just like for the physical health there isn’t one recipe.
@eldadevata open relationships aren't genuine authentic relationships...they mean nothing and have no value...pure non-sense...having sex left and right while having a favourite doesn't mean that you have a relstionship...anybody can do that...it prooves nothing more than emotional imaturity and psychological instability...why even bother labeling something fake...anybody that does that wants to look better towards others because of shame...you can't have it both ways...you either commit or not.
@dennisairwolf I can’t agree with this statement, although I’ve never lived in an open relationship, I do have friends that have been living in a similar relationship for more than a decade, and most of them are happy. Existentially and emotionally they are committed some of them even raise children, but they have other encounters as well. In a way they are like you, if I don’t offend you, with your more reliable friends on one side and volatile sexual relationships on the other.
@eldadevata well no they're nothing like me...i don't have sex with my friends...and i never have several sexual relationships going on simultaneously...of course that they're happy...anybody can be happy if allowed to take the easy way out and follow their animal instincts...either that or they do it because they're not happy...nobody can really know that but them...however keeping somebody around out of fear of loneliness while seeking comfort and fun elsewhere is a sign of imature weakness :)
@eldadevata they have no reason to trust each other...and no reason to have sex with anybody else...and should never be allowed to raise any kids...ppl that do that can make as many excuses as they want but at the end of the day the bottom line is that they only do it because it's easy and convenient...because it makes them feel good...because they can't commit...because they can't be with a single life partner...but they still want one...and they can only be with somebody as damaged as them :)
@eldadevata i don't wanna get married and have kids anytime soon either come to think of it...however i have nothing against married individuals...or parents...as long as they can set a good example for their offsprings and raise them as they should...provide them with moral values and principles...and love and guidance and advice...and that disfunctional lifestyle will only create a damaged insecure child...i doubt that any child would be proud of it...emotional trauma waiting to happen...
@dennisairwolf I do believe that the concept of dysfunctionality in this case is used based on your particular subjective normative. Dysfunctional means in my interpretation that the issue at head doesn’t function in a way that is advantageous for the people that are part of it. I haven’t seen any such study that would express any worry related to an open relationship and the children growing in such a household. The sexual life of the parents is not a matter for the children.
@dennisairwolf For example. I think that changing sexual partners, and having sex with a person one doesn’t trust doesn’t have much sense. But this perspective comes out of my own experience and tendency. It has nothing to do with and objective moral value, as there is no such thing.
@eldadevata well actually objectivity has everything to do with it...i'm as objective as i can be since i have no need for marriage and kids and yet can defend and respect them...and as far as a child is concerned having a promiscuous parent will lead to emotional damage and psychological instability...that lifestyle is dysfunctional and unhealthy no matter how it's handled or concealed...and the very fact that something like this needs concealing is enough cause for shame...fake surface...
@dennisairwolf Objectivity in this case would mean that you can back up your idea(that children are emotionally harmed by the fact that their parents have sex with other people as well), with evidence. Although I’m not an expert on the subject, I have read a few researches on the subject, and none of them presented any evidence to support such a statement. Just like in the case of gay parenting. Do watch the video I recommended.
@eldadevata i have nothing against str8 gay bisexual single married unmarried or any other kind of parents...however promiscuous or drug addicted or alcoholic parents will never raise a functional emotionally healthy child...not while trying to be something fake and concealing the truth...too much repression and shame involved...i can't possibly see anybody being proud of that choice and bragging about it...no reason to be proud about being weak horny and immature...it's shallow and selfish...
@dennisairwolf I don’t think that it needs concealing, unless you live in a specific society that condemns it based on a social or religious norm. Shame is also a social construct, not an objective indicator. For hundreds of years gays were ashamed of being who they are, often hating themselves, but that has nothing to do with the fact that being gay is OK, and it is the society that needs to change and not the individual.
@eldadevata you should never compare being gay with being promiscuous...one is natural...having a sexual orientation makes perfect sense...sleeping around while claiming to love somebody on the other hand isn't...
@dennisairwolf Well this was fun, thanks for the conversation but I have to go since tomorrow I’m expected to be at a conference.
Besides the video I recommended, there is the French movie called “Le Fil”(The String) a wonderful gay themed story about emotional health, love and family.
@dennisairwolf You may not be able to control the other person, but you certainly have the same ability to control yourself as you have the ability to use a condom. You can take the time to know the other person, its strength and weakness, you can have a wide social network to support the relationship(marriage, family, friends, etc.). You can be a responsible and committed adult and search for a like mind individual and so on. It all comes down to priorities, enjoy or sustain and build.
@eldadevata you can control yourself but not everybody else...no matter how much time you invest in somebody you can never really know everything about them...what their feelings and actions are...everybody hides things and lies...they only reveal what they think is safe...what makes them look good and gains trust and friendship...once those things slip out then loyalty and love are really tested...once trust is gone you have nothing left...friendship and relationships are based on it :)
subtitles please!!
ternitamas 1 month ago
Qu'est ce qu'ils boivent?
harvinsky 1 month ago
this is a short film rite? can we have subtitles please? =))
pal19872008 1 month ago
I dont know what they're saying. It sounds like Italian in a different melody. I like the videography and the location. Thanks for uploading it; I may have to learn Romanian. :)
LyubaAllenovna 2 months ago
esto es Rumano?? que lindo se oye!!
Alekxe90 2 months ago
interesting but i would like understand the language
xzluca0810 2 months ago
translation pls!!
denver230675 2 months ago
charming actors,but i dont gat it,what the point is..cause not english captures..
any gay from indonesia??call me 085715640072..
ltutfi 2 months ago
Why no English captioning?
beeblmeyer 3 months ago
any gay partner wana have fun call me 00923214772686
adil3249 3 months ago
salut denis
au facut o treaba buna . sper la mai multe productii pe tematica gay (si evident lungmetraje... sau scurtmetraje dar mai bine gandite ca scenariu)
ce ma bucura e ca s-a filmat in arad. i am proud of my home town.
queermenow 3 months ago
I don't get it..?
Tasja1993 4 months ago
I have to say that it's refreshing to see posts that are worth reading and also force one to examine his own beliefs and behavior. Thanks
leevum1 4 months ago
Interesant filmuletu' . Primul pe care-l vad, de productie romaneasca, cu tema gay.
Mi s-a parut, din film, ca cei doi sunt foarte distanti unul cu celalalt, mult prea protocolari, ceremoniosi, cumva crispati, desi incearca sa para destinsi.
La inceput, isi strang mainile, ambii radiind de speranta. La sfarsit, insa, se despart rece, ambiguu... dezamagiti.
Din pacate multe intalniri "live' se desfasoara asa, iar continuarea mai are de asteptat sau nu exista.
Oricum, bravo pentru initiativa.
deniswinch 5 months ago
Interesting - but not in english. I would like understand.
studtwo 6 months ago 11
Gay men tend to do this, talk about their “great love” and “old relationships” at the first date, and then they wonder why you leave them there at the end. They usually have no sense of politeness and regard when it comes to this issue. Funny that I was also born in this city. Pacat ca nu are subtritrari, mai multa lume ar intelege.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata Well actually the guy left him there and the end and never went up to his place because he had many sexual encounters and previous relationships and he was against having safe sex...he liked the guy but he didn't wanna risk it...it was meant to be educational and promote safe sex...however your idea could work too i guess...sharing too much intimate and private information on the first date is hardly ever a good idea...thanks for the input though...feel free to add anything else :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Well of course I understood the message, although I might add that one sexual relationship is enough for infection you don’t need many(smiles), but this video reminded me how often I see even my friends behaving this way. I guess it’s more related to being a man than being gay(as heterosexual men also tend to say inappropriate things at bat times), but still.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf It’s not that having a past is a bad thing, but I guess one can one can be perceives as having left parts of himself behind when they share emotions from the past this way, so intensely. It’s like he is not entirely there only what remained of him. You could say that this behaviour has the same effect on me but from an emotional point of view, as the sexual health point of view that is represented here. I guess it all has to do with priorities.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf I am more interested in the danger that one represents to my emotional health than to my physical health(smiles).
Both can be equally damaging, although most people seem to not realise it.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata well the only difference is that you can get over emotional pain a lot easier than some STDs...and you can protect yourself against an std...however you can't possibly go through life by avoiding emotional pain...that would require complete isolation...you need to risk it if you ever wanna feel or experience anything healthy...as far as intimate private information is concerned that has to do more with trust than anything else...it can either alienate or bring ppl closer together :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Although I see your point I can’t really agree.
Emotional hurts are far more permanent than most people would think, especially males.
Men tend to delude themselves easier than women when it comes to their capacity to regenerate.
And yes you can avoid unnecessary pain, just like you can avoid an infection, it all comes down to self-knowledge and awareness.
You can’t omit all emotional risks but you can learn to behave responsibly and expect of others the same.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata Emotional pain hardly ever leads to death and years of struggle and it's not contagious...you can heal a lot faster from it with proper meds and therapy...however you can't ever avoid it no matter how responsibly you behave or how self aware you are because you can never control others...you know what they allow you to know...and all relationships end...most of them badly...might as well enjoy it while it lasts and make the best of it...hope for the best and expect the worst :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Well I won’t deny that’s one way to look at it.
On the other hand if you try to see how many people live in unhappy marriages for decades, and how that deteriorates their emotional and ultimately physical health is another. And that’s only one example. Depression, anxiety, panic attacks and so on are also very often if one is emotionally injured. The other outcome might be that one cannot form lasting bond(s) and so on.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata well i don't really believe in marriage so i can't really relate to anything that results from it :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Well yes. Like I said, all perspectives, including my own, depend on the priorities the person in question has.
I tend to form and sustain lasting bonds, including with my family and friends and also business partners.
I have a similar but somehow stronger tendency when it comes to an emotional-sexual relationship.
So the concept of a family and marriage is very much close to me.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata well i never had that much luck with family...not really worth getting into...and sexual relationships always tend to come and go and end like in the movie...so friendship probably still remains the strongest and most reliable option for my particular case...from my point of view you can trust and rely on very few ppl and those are the ones worth hanging on to and keeping around...that's why it's never really worth risking your health and life quality for something temporary :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf I can understand.
I find it rather interesting that you say that you can count on and form lasting relationship with friends but not with people you have sex with.
In my case I can’t really imagine any reason why these two would or should exclude each other.
I tend to avoid sex with people I don’t know and trust, it holds no magic for me.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata well you do trust them...until you don't anymore...and they change...and the relationship ends...friends aren't repleaceable...you can have more of them simultaneously...unlike a life partner :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf The question is, do you trust them because you know them or do you trust them because you are attracted to them, enjoy the sex, and the like.
I wouldn’t say that there is any handbook saying that you can’t have more life partners than one. Many live in open marriages or relationships for example.
I guess for emotional health just like for the physical health there isn’t one recipe.
One must chose something in tune with its nature.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata open relationships aren't genuine authentic relationships...they mean nothing and have no value...pure non-sense...having sex left and right while having a favourite doesn't mean that you have a relstionship...anybody can do that...it prooves nothing more than emotional imaturity and psychological instability...why even bother labeling something fake...anybody that does that wants to look better towards others because of shame...you can't have it both ways...you either commit or not.
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf I can’t agree with this statement, although I’ve never lived in an open relationship, I do have friends that have been living in a similar relationship for more than a decade, and most of them are happy. Existentially and emotionally they are committed some of them even raise children, but they have other encounters as well. In a way they are like you, if I don’t offend you, with your more reliable friends on one side and volatile sexual relationships on the other.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata well no they're nothing like me...i don't have sex with my friends...and i never have several sexual relationships going on simultaneously...of course that they're happy...anybody can be happy if allowed to take the easy way out and follow their animal instincts...either that or they do it because they're not happy...nobody can really know that but them...however keeping somebody around out of fear of loneliness while seeking comfort and fun elsewhere is a sign of imature weakness :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf But you do separate people based on how much trust you have in them and apparently have sex with one and not with the other.
They do the same in a mirror like fashion, they trust one and not the other but have sex with both :)
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata they have no reason to trust each other...and no reason to have sex with anybody else...and should never be allowed to raise any kids...ppl that do that can make as many excuses as they want but at the end of the day the bottom line is that they only do it because it's easy and convenient...because it makes them feel good...because they can't commit...because they can't be with a single life partner...but they still want one...and they can only be with somebody as damaged as them :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Your words are very harsh for a person who says he doesn’t believe in marriage.
If people aren’t allowed to raise children in open relationships and marriages don’t work, than what ells is there?
Should everyone raise its children as a single parent, or in cohabitation but not married?
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata i don't wanna get married and have kids anytime soon either come to think of it...however i have nothing against married individuals...or parents...as long as they can set a good example for their offsprings and raise them as they should...provide them with moral values and principles...and love and guidance and advice...and that disfunctional lifestyle will only create a damaged insecure child...i doubt that any child would be proud of it...emotional trauma waiting to happen...
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf I do believe that the concept of dysfunctionality in this case is used based on your particular subjective normative. Dysfunctional means in my interpretation that the issue at head doesn’t function in a way that is advantageous for the people that are part of it. I haven’t seen any such study that would express any worry related to an open relationship and the children growing in such a household. The sexual life of the parents is not a matter for the children.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf For example. I think that changing sexual partners, and having sex with a person one doesn’t trust doesn’t have much sense. But this perspective comes out of my own experience and tendency. It has nothing to do with and objective moral value, as there is no such thing.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata well actually objectivity has everything to do with it...i'm as objective as i can be since i have no need for marriage and kids and yet can defend and respect them...and as far as a child is concerned having a promiscuous parent will lead to emotional damage and psychological instability...that lifestyle is dysfunctional and unhealthy no matter how it's handled or concealed...and the very fact that something like this needs concealing is enough cause for shame...fake surface...
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Objectivity in this case would mean that you can back up your idea(that children are emotionally harmed by the fact that their parents have sex with other people as well), with evidence. Although I’m not an expert on the subject, I have read a few researches on the subject, and none of them presented any evidence to support such a statement. Just like in the case of gay parenting. Do watch the video I recommended.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata i have nothing against str8 gay bisexual single married unmarried or any other kind of parents...however promiscuous or drug addicted or alcoholic parents will never raise a functional emotionally healthy child...not while trying to be something fake and concealing the truth...too much repression and shame involved...i can't possibly see anybody being proud of that choice and bragging about it...no reason to be proud about being weak horny and immature...it's shallow and selfish...
dennisairwolf 7 months ago 5
@dennisairwolf I don’t think that it needs concealing, unless you live in a specific society that condemns it based on a social or religious norm. Shame is also a social construct, not an objective indicator. For hundreds of years gays were ashamed of being who they are, often hating themselves, but that has nothing to do with the fact that being gay is OK, and it is the society that needs to change and not the individual.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata you should never compare being gay with being promiscuous...one is natural...having a sexual orientation makes perfect sense...sleeping around while claiming to love somebody on the other hand isn't...
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Well this was fun, thanks for the conversation but I have to go since tomorrow I’m expected to be at a conference.
Besides the video I recommended, there is the French movie called “Le Fil”(The String) a wonderful gay themed story about emotional health, love and family.
Cheers!
eldadevata 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf If you are interested in my view on family values, then watch this video here on YouTube: Penn and Teller - Family values (part 1)
eldadevata 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf You may not be able to control the other person, but you certainly have the same ability to control yourself as you have the ability to use a condom. You can take the time to know the other person, its strength and weakness, you can have a wide social network to support the relationship(marriage, family, friends, etc.). You can be a responsible and committed adult and search for a like mind individual and so on. It all comes down to priorities, enjoy or sustain and build.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata you can control yourself but not everybody else...no matter how much time you invest in somebody you can never really know everything about them...what their feelings and actions are...everybody hides things and lies...they only reveal what they think is safe...what makes them look good and gains trust and friendship...once those things slip out then loyalty and love are really tested...once trust is gone you have nothing left...friendship and relationships are based on it :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf I have a slightly more positive experience.
Of course you can never be safe 100%, but that’s unfortunately true also for a condom.
eldadevata 7 months ago
@eldadevata better to be 99% safe than 0% :)
dennisairwolf 7 months ago
@dennisairwolf Agreed, I hold the same when it comes to relationships.
eldadevata 7 months ago
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HandsomeBoyboy 7 months ago
Is there a version with english sub titles?
gvigliano 7 months ago