Royler Gracie Vs Eugenio Tadeu - Parte 1/6 - indoor

[onemindonespirit]

Never watched gay porn...until now.

[poolboyinla]

Why do they fight in speedos?

[SadaParkour]

Thats not Royler, thats Rickson !!!

[SadaParkour]

@SadaParkour Just a joke ! But they look like the same, lol :)

[guiblankaml]

@SadaParkour Rickson just in the begining, but after that was royler...

[leptospirose]

Eugenio Tadeu lutando com as botas exclusivas da XUXA

[LacosteBoy1]

7:56 se desse mais pressao ali a luta acabava ali mesmo!! royler ja tava quase grogue ali! levou uns supapos na cara que ate caiu desorientado

[vinnynumbnuts]

i like the fighters coming crashing in and the one hobblin' with the crutches quickly gettin' outta way. ha, a real fight if you ask me! love the gracies and the others that take them on. great stuff. helio was a very good man and father. may he rest in peace.

[mrJunior4308]

i love mma but this bikini bottoms they went to far 

[educunha1]

@primitivebl the white guy

[divillela]

Esse Eugênio nunca foi nada demais! Como só tinha ele na modalidade que defendia, era quem sempre botava a cara! Por isso está desaparecido como toda a Luta-Livre que acabou no esquecimento! O MMA já levantou o Karatê, o Muay-thay... mas a Luta-livre nem viagra salva!!! Apanhou do Renzo em 1997 e se não fosse o covarde do Cromado teria batido.

[rodrigobmts]

@divillela "Esse Eugênio nunca foi nada demais!..." Como assim não foi nada demais, o cara dava a cara a tapa, sem luva, cabeçada e tudo mais... o cara é um guerreiro... e a Luta-Livre, é o Wrestling, que está com força total por ser um complemento importante para o Jiu-Jitsu... Na boa, antes de criticar tem que ter coragem de colocar a cara lá pra tomar porrada...

[Becegato32]

@divillela O Renzo so não foi nocauteado pelo Eugenio porque os comedias sempre melam as lutas que estão perdendendo

[dougfulltime]

@divillela tah maluco msm fera luta livre predomina ! jiu jitsu a arte de pega pano tah de sacanagem msm !

[MegaTiger40]

nossa... antigamente a coisa era braba mesmo mt violento e sem profissionalização diferente doque é hj em dia MUITO diferente mas teve que acontecer esses insidentes pra ser oque é hj XD

[filbragabr]

Aos 7:54 o Royler deu uma apagada rápida, quase q foi pro saco!

Mas é muito guerreiro, "güentô" firme a porrada do Eugênio q deve ser doída!

Eh. eh. eh...

[emm589]

man...... without disrespecting the fighters,, but it looks so funny a man in underwear and shoes...

[lindarmusic]

Part 1 Royler goot his assed dropped amazing heart for surviving Thats why I love the Gracies does he do better later on ....lets find out.

[kneeblock]

Man, I love Royler but he got the crap kicked out of him! I know it's a long fight so maybe he does better later.

[Super8astard]

This video is so gay even gays would say Royler punches like a fag. It looks like two fairies trying to step on each others feet. And every time Royler trows a punch he starts running away before it even lands(or misses). Him picking his panties out of his ass was hilarious. So was him getting slammed on those people on the bench dinner plates. I think its hilarious the Gracies allowed this footage to exist.

[rockie071]

@Super8astard

You sir, are clearly a penis sucking fag who enjoys large men in his ass.

[Super8astard]

@rockie071 yeah, cause thats me in the panties swinging like girl.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard shit, let's see you fight royler. all talk talk talk! you wouldn't look good, would you?

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Ah, the classic "you fight him then". You think if I fight him tonight, he'd look less gay in this video? Or how about his technique... Are his punches going to sharpen up? Is he not going to pick his panties out of his ass?

Talk is what people do on forums. If given the opportunity, I'd jump at a fight with Royler, wouldn't you? Unfortuneatly, he want's nothing to do with bigger guys after the tooling Sudo gave him.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard well, you keep talkin' the macho-super-i talk. me, no, i'm an old guy turned 50 who's only got enough fight to go in for the next shift to support my family. i'm not a fighter, just an observer. but no, really, let's see you fight for real this royler guy. talk is cheap--don't you know it? fag accusations are mere trifle--ad hominem (go look it up, if you don't know). this tough guy talk is cheesy. let me tell you, this is just the bare bones of what's tough in being a man, no?

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts I didn't say he IS gay, I said he looks it in those panties. Tell me I'm wrong.

There's nothing tough about what I said. If you're talking about me not passing an opportunity to face him, that's your own ignorance, fighter or not, any martial artist would jump at that.

I think it's funny the Gracie family allowed this video to go viral, considering their claims and refusal to acknowledge losses or poor technique or simply looking foolish. That's observation not machismo.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard you talk ridiculous jive...but that's ok. it's a relative thing you're hooked into. i mean, when i was a young man, pretty well every guy at the beach wore the same kind of trunks worn in this video. the word gay--as in weak or effeminate, which i see is your interpretation--never entered my mind. so i think you were born into more recent times than me. that ok. i see you are saying you are a martial martist who would like to engage with royler. alright. would love to see it! ha.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts I'm 29, so yeah, different times indeed...

I don't have any interest in vale tudo, but to train with, spar with, or compete against anyone with that kind of history would be a goal to even a recreational martial artist and probably most fans. Which is why I assumed you'd be interested even at your age. Although, Rolyer is much smaller than me, and after the whooping Sudo gave him, he's been reluctant to fight. I meant what I said as an answer to your comment, not a wish.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard but i am curious. what is your true expertise? what tournaments have you won? also, rickson may be older now, but i think he would surprise you. so tell me, who are you for real and what have you done or achieved in the martial art or fighting arena? maybe i'm talking to someone who could beat fedor if given the chance (if you offered me the chance, i'd just not show up and stay back here with my girls and wine). ha, i mean, who really knows?...though i very much doubt it.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts I don't you followed what I said there. I'm pretty sure Hix could tool me, meaning he would handily beat me and make it look simple.

I'm getting annoyed with the 500 character limit and having to find any response that's not the 1 message I get notified off in my comments and the type this freaky word in the box thing. I'll send you a message. That work for you?

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard also, you said somewhere that the gracies refuse to acknowledge any losses. come on, do you seriously think they don't admit the loss of royce to matt hughs? hughs rolled over royce in that one televised fight like a steamroller. the gracies aren't that dumb. and give them credit for totally changing martial arts in north america. i saw it. after ufc in the early 90's, suddenly the martial art magazines on the rack showed emphatically, grappling. even bruce lee didn't foresee that.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts No, he claimed his loss to Hughes was only due to Hughes using the techniques he and his family invented and the difference in conditioning. He doesn't consider that fight a loss. They didn't change MA here, there were already at least other promotions going on before UFC even started. The only difference is who was invited to compete in the UFC and that it had a rich family to promote it. Submission wrestling and KoP already had America drooling over grappling, and judo had..

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard wrestlers are great, eh? see the movie, "the wrestler?" the best. anyway, i can't agree with you on your take of the origin of mma here in north america. i did see it happen. look, just go back to the first ufc event held by the gracies (peep back before then), and you will see (also keep your eye on the martial art magazine covers) the sudden transition. i happened because of the gracies. no question in my mind. i'm talking on a mass scale. also, go look at the hist of vale tudo

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts...claimed he had already developed the techniques Kimura was finding. They only acknowledged the loss in the form of "GJJ wins again." Kimura's respect for him was due to his abilities and those of his family, he publicaly detested the Gracie's sportsmenship. He respected all combatants and martial artists willing to proove their worth. Kimura would roll in his grave to have seen the character development of Renzo and Royce.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard well, that's your history book. what i read was different in that kimura arrogantly claimed little helio wouldn't last x amount of minutes against him. helio gave him a great fight, and he acknowledged it. kimura was a master of the art the gracies well acknowledge they took from in developing their hybrid art. oh jesus, now don't try to tell me the gracies also claim to have invented the techniques of greco roman! beware, i'm not saying the gracies were the one and only in brazil.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Kimura stated that after being disrespected, and then he prooved it by throwing Helio around and ultimately breaking his arm. I really don't see any possible defense for Helio having a coffin sitting in view for Kimura to walk past on his way to the stage nor him being received by eggs. Praising Helio's performance is like congratulating Hatton for getting KTFO by Pacquiao in the 2nd round instead of the 1st. Kimura was completely and totaly dominant.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard p.s. not sure you got it (maybe you did), but by the term "hard-on" when i said you have a hard-on for the gracies, i meant it in the urban slang sense of someone who's got this hostile thing for another--didn't mean it in the homo sense; just said it as a humorous play in response to your usage of the term "gay" in a non-homo sense, referring to the gracie and tadeu fighters as being somewhat ridiculous effeminate girlie-man fighters...or something like that. but i think not.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Yeah, I got it, I was just hamming it up with the pro wresstling thing...

Honestly, I don't have much respect for the mid generation. None at all really. Carlson and Helio, yes, Roger and this generation yes.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard and by the way, if you study the life of helio gracie, he was a good man and loving father. you come at them with ad hominem attack while ducking their great contribution to martial arts. they truly gave america and beyond a wake up call that can't be denied....though you resent it. ok. you don't want to accept it. take it easy. go have a glass of wine. good for you....in moderation, of course.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts I've never claimed Helio wasn't a good father or attacked his character outside of the context of what he did to Kimura. The rest of them are a different story, though the younger generation has turned that around and are both respectful and good sportsmen.

I don't deny the GJJ contribution, only point out it was not the revolution you (and others) claim it to be, and that it was more comercial than practical.

I'll pass on the whine though, I'm a Guiness man myself...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 1) if you indulge in pro wrestling today, you wear tights.// in a for true interview. helio said he thought nobody in the world could beat kimura. the coffin displayed by helio to kimura, which had kimura laughing, was a fucking joke! come on! helio had a great sense of humor. kimura weighed 187 lbs (rocky marciano's weight); helio weighed 135 lbs--look at his pictures. kimura was a god from where it originated--he did say if helio could last 3 min's, he would declare helio the...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard sorry about misunderstanding you. i stand corrected--yes, you did say rickson would beat you, in your opinion. also, sorry, got to hit the hay. i work the night shift out here by the pacific. a bottle of wine in me, the wife is picking up the kid from school, and will get back. take er easy, sir.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard come on. admit that suddenly after royce was dominating the ufc in the beginning against other styles and much bigger guys, the martial arts world to a significant degree woke up and started doing what the gracies were doing way way back in vale tudo. but no, your argument is not fundamentally correct. in the early 20th century, helio lost to a great judo man from japan who came to respect him. the gracies acknowledged that loss and also certainly learned from it. go look it up.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts 

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts I see what you mean now. You're talking about comercialization. It wasn't the martial arts world that was woke up to it, it was the non-MA world. As I said, UFC wasn't the first, the MA world was already privey to grappling and had multiple outlets for it in place before GJJ was on the cover of MA tabloids.

The Japanese cat you're talking about was Kimura, and Helio was extremely disrespectful towards him when he challenged him. Even after getting completely tooled, he....

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard well, i don't know about commercialism pure and simple. it really was a general knowledge (incorrect, of course) that the boxer would in general take out the wrestler before the wrestler could get ahold of him. the covers and articles of martial art magazines certainly held the belief in the superiority of the striker or karate man or kung fu man or boxer over the grappler or wrestler or judo man, etc. take a look at bruce lee's students (inosanto) who also woke up to grappling.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts..already proven grappling's importance in MA. It wasn't "suddenly" that media started reflecting that, only that they started reflecting GJJ. Before the internet, the Gracie's claimed their familt was undefeated in this that and everything in between. Now we know that was never true and the Gracies promoted themselves the way many other martial artists do. The only reason they aren't refered to as fruads is because they did compete and train competitors, and accept challenges.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard admit it, you got a hardon for the gracies (jive talk).

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts pfft... They're all softbodies and little fellers... I'm all about the pro wrestler types ☺ (no homo)

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard ha ha, well, if you say so. i wonder how you would do against the fellow in the green tank top in this video--he's another gracie who's a bit bigger, and his name is rickson gracie? i guess he's still a soft-bodied, little feller in your book, too, eh? a couple of things i have learned from both experience in my youth and observation, is that size ain't everything in a real fight, and never underestimate your opponent. would you agree to that, sir?

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Rickson is older than you and retired years ago. Many people have tried to get him in the ring because of his fight record claims. I highly doubt his record, but not his abilities, pretty sure Hix could tool me even at his age.

I agree completely that size isn't everything, but it is a factor, and that's not even debatable. No question about it that Aldo is a better fighter than Lesnar, but he would be lucky to come out of a fight with Brock with only a few broken bones.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard ha, but of course pro wrestlers wear tight trunks, too, no? remember gorgeous george, the prettiest, daintiest pro wrestler of them all, with long curled platinum blond hair and a long purple robe made of silk and satin? well, now, how would you do against a great legend like that? not too good, i would bet. but maybe you are a famous pro wrestler, too. tell me, sir, what is your name? what titles have you won? do you wear trunks, too? curls in your hair and a satin robe, too? ha!

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts He was my grandma's favorite wrestler. My best friend is Steve Cooper's son. Remember him?

No I don't wear any of that shit, but if I could grow a stache like him, damn right I would.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard ha ha! i loved gorgeous george for his remakable creativity and showmanship...but he was a big guy whose 2nd wife gave it away, sayin' he was actually shy and that's why he drank so much (me, too, in that way). in my younger years, i looked like jesus or jim morrison or whoever. i liked to call myself a human inkblot test. those who would tell me i look like jesus, say, would be telling me more about him or herself than me. my lady hates facial hair, so i don't do that anymore.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 2) ...winner. helio lasted for 13 minutes and would not give up even after having his arm broke. kimura admired helio, saying, "you have a strong heart," and even offered helio to come to japan to teach. helio declined, and concluded, he got the samurai spirit from kimura. you know, when kimura first met helio, he was surprised at how small helio was. that's the material point: helio knew that if he was as big as kimura, he would've won. gracie jiu-jitsu is a great achievement.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts There's no real way to debate this without sounding like a hater. I don't mean for it to sound that way, but the truth is Helio took this fight out of arrogance not bravery. He "lasted" only because Kimura let him. Kimura wasn't trying to hurt him, only show how outmatched he was. He did say he tryed to knock the wind out of him with one of his throws but the mat was too soft for it. Kimura's reluctance really takes from Helio's moral victory.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard a) no, i can debate without sounding like a hater. helio took this fight out of arrogance only?! he fought on even after an audibly broken arm. helio said in a video interview, that he was a weak man, weighing 140 lbs. kimura was a light heavyweight. remember, helio did choke out japan's # 2 heavier master by the name kato. he had a right to fight the # 1, kimura. but he knew he was outmatched. he admitted it...but fought this fellow to beat him like a true warrior. now tell...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard b) ...me, if helio was a joke, a walk in the park like you said, why the hell did kimura invite helio to teach at the imperial academy of japan? come on! think! you won't get it--you got a hard-on for the gracies, no? i'm laughing. you know, there are many boxers of lighter weights that have lost to havin' the balls to go up against naturally heavier guys. making the speculation that they would've won if they were as big and strong is not asinine to think like you think.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Saying Helio would've won if he were as big as Kimura is a poor cave-at. First of all, bull. Kimura would've still whooped him in the same dominant fashion. He tossed around people his own size and bigger, and his technical skills were second to none, probably not even to Kano himself. Second, going against what I just said as well, hypotheticals can't bedetermined, and to say such a thing is foolish ass-hattery.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard c) to reiterate (you won't get because of a hard-on...or hatred-resentment thing), fucking kimura asked helio to come to japan and teach AT THE IMPERIAL ACADEMY OF JAPAN. (wasted writing, no?) he was truly impressed. he was arrogant, too--"if he lasts more than 3 minutes against me, he's the moral winner." helio kept fighting even when his arm was broken. you see that spirit in the ufc today? no way. the man had balls...and you can't negate that fact. 

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard d) what was said in a magizine artical i read (could be wrong) was a hypothetical. the fight is determined only when it happens. kimura was wrong about his prediction that it wouldn't go beyond 3 min's in his favor. you just don't know until it happens. my take is that if helio was big and strong as kimura, kimura would've had much more to worry about. but where is helio coming from? he said he was a small man who was too weak to do the techniques taught by ultimately esai maeda.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 3) you know, i studied karate back in the late 70's. let me tell you, there was very little grappling in that style. a head master of that style from japan visited us one time. he was very fast and good at striking. that's valid in self-defense, but i always had a sense that it was incomplete. i knew real fights in the street--some i was in--and i knew most of them went to the ground. let me tell you, the gracies helped wake the real world up; including a lot of martial artists.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts What the Gracies did was wake up the people who didn't know any better. Newaza wasn't a new concept, which is essentially all GJJ is. The martial arts world already knew about it as did real fighters. Why do you think it was only the TMA tournament circle and journeymen boxers/kickboxers who were invited to the first UFCs? There were at least 10 other mma promotions that had credible fighters. The traditionalists still dismiss grappling, that will never change.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts The Gracie family were business men who knew how to market, they just did what was already being done, only louder. Helio never even gave Maeda credit for creating the system for them. And why doesn't anyone mention Carlson anymore? He was actually better with newaza and tachiwaza. 

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard e) helio did not have the size and athletic ability, so he needed to create more effective techniques to compensate for his lack of strength. leverage, timing, and natural body movements are huge factors. sorry, but i think he was a genius in martial arts. (i see you are big and impressed with that advantage...especially in manly attire.) what was helio about? my answer is he wanted to improve his character as a human being, and he developed a self defence for the older, the...

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Kimura brought Helio to teach because of the different route he took with the same newaza being taught in Japan. His skill was impressive, and different, which is why Kimura wanted his students to learn these lessons he himself wasn't teaching. You are taking it seems you are such a Gracie elitist that you take anything other than complete adoration to mean garbage. I've never said Helio wasn't good. Ever. I said he wasn't as good as Kimura because he wasn't.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard of course, kimura didn't bring helio anywhere; he 'asked' helio to teach in japan but helio turned him down. i think kimura saw something new in technique, as developed by helio from his scientific experiments in no rule fights. the gracies added smething new to what maeda introduced them to. it's the way with other spheres of inquiry, such as science, philosophy, art.// sory, but i ain't no gracie elitist who thinks any sort of criticism is garbage. that's an overgeneralization.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts You're basicaly repeating what I said in your own words here. The newaza was the same, Helio and Carlson just went a different direction with it. What instructor wouldn't want another elite level instructor to share his own enginuitive tactics with him and his students? Kimura didn't become the beast he was by being close-minded.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 2. ...ude-garami (later called the kimura by the brazilians). kimura was a beast at 187 lbs to helio's 140 lbs. helio was weaker and not as athletic. kimura did 1,000 pushups a day; he would repeatably slam his hip and leg into trees. helio didn't have the physicality to even do kimura's kind of judo. i just think if helio had kimura's size and power, he would've had more control over kimura. a woman with the same skills as a man in gjj, will generally lose because she doesn't...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 3. ...have the same kind power and athletic ability. sounds like i'm feminizing helio a bit. helio's art and skill wasn't originally meant for judo matches; it was created out of no rule street fighting, and meant for no rule street fighting. kimura handily beat santana (gracie trained) in a judo match (i believe), but he was met with a bloody draw after 40 min's of vale tudo with santana. but the weight thing in a judo match is speculation on my part, and the more i think of...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 4. ...it, the more self-doubt i have--speculation. however, i think in a vale tudo, no-rules match, helio's skills (which were developed from and for that) would be quite formidable for kimura to take on. gjj sees the no rule fight like a chess match, waiting for one's opponent to make a mistake (or tricked into making an error), and then capitalizing on it with hopefully a finishing move. helio did just that with kato in their judo match. there was much subtle skill on helio's...

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts You yourself said earlier that size isn't the end-all, nor is it that important. Now you say the only reason Kimura beat Helio so easily is because he was bigger.  You completely negate the fact that Helio was unprepared for Kimura's techniques, which also proves Helio was lying when he said he already developed them, because he had no idea what to watch for or how to defend them. Let me put it like this, the Gracie's were kings of their time, but mid level now. Bruce Lee ...

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard i said,"...size ain't everything," also meaning it can still be a significant factor in certain cases. judo, bjj are such that a small man can defeat a much bigger man, but i think as the skill becomes even, or tilted toward the bigger man, then the smaller man's size can be the cause of his defeat. i'm only saying that a helio the same size as kimura, would make for a much more dangerous match for kimura. helio did BEAT kato, and yamaguchi did chicken out, no?

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts The way Kimura was able to toss Helio around and control him with such ease says even if Helio were the bigger man Kimura would still have beaten him. Kimura also fought guys bigger than him and tooled them just the same. If Kimura's size were the determining factor, the match wouldn't have been so one-sided. Helio literally did nothing but not get KO'd by a throw and not tap out. How exactly do you get they were on an even skill level?

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 1. helio literally did nothing?! then what was kimura talking about when he kept complimenting helio during the match and after, even asking him to teach in japan? much more went on, despite what the chopped up grainy film shows. from my reading, kimuro tried a number of arm locks and failed. he tried sankaku-gatame, kuzure-kamishiho-gatame (smother by belly), the forbidden and dangerous do-jime, a crushing headlock--all of these and failing, before the success with the reverse..

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts1-He survived. If you're going to quote me, quote the whole thing. He was able to not get stuck in anything until the dreaded kimura. That was impressive because so many people weren't abel to defend his subs, and those people weren't unathletic little fellers. The whole thought process of Helio's style, so different from what Kimura was taught and developed on his own, yet still effective in it's own right. Even in losing, badly, Helio showed his style had merit.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts ...was ahead of his time, but behind this one. Kimura on the otherhand, would be just as successful today as he was then.  He wasn't even *that big. He could make middleweight today without cutting, and he was beating heavyweights. He was the Saku of his time, only better at everything.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard oh yes, certainly kimura would be very successful in the fight game today. he was one of the all-time greats. fighting is funny. helio (about 140 lbs) lost after a long battle against a much bigger waldimar santana--they threw the towel in; and kimura fought a very bloody match against the same santana and it was a draw after the 40 min's ran out. i think the santana fights were vale tudo. if so, maybe helio would've done better against kimura in a vale tudo fight. speculation.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts Why didn't Carlson fight Kimura? He had better tachi-waza skill as well as newaza. We all know he wasn't a coward by any stretch of the imagination, so if not for Helio's arrogance, why did he challenge Kimura in the first place?  The only thing he acknowledged was that Kimura was bigger and stronger, he never said he outmatched. He knew in his mind he was going to show those Judo fools that GJJ was the best. When he failed, misserably, he used the cave-at "we already have

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard yes, that question bothers me, too--why didn't carlson fight kimura? after helio's literally very painful loss with a broken arm, i don't understand why this incredible gracie fighter carlson, who was the eldest son of carlos, didn't issue a challenge to kimura. and carlson was about 150 lbs, which wasn't all that much amaller than kimura. anyway, what i don't like is your insistence on helio's arrogance, without courage. in his two losses, he never gave up.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts If that's the way it sounds then I'm not saying it right.  I only mean Helio's arrogance was his motivation, not that he was really a coward or that taking a match he was so outclassed in wasn't a brave thing to do.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts those techniques." You are also ignoring the fact that Kimura went easy on him because of his small size.

I might be wrong on this, but I was always told the broken arm is what ended the match. That is also the conclusion from the footage of the fight and even the personal recount of it from Kimura. Helio wouldn't tap even though he got his arm broken and then the towel was thrown.  That's not fighting on with a broken arm.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard kato dominated helio in their fight, but helio pulled the rabbit out of the hat with a choke from his back. santana, whom kimura couldn't beat, certainly respected helio as a courageous, dangerous fighter in the ring. carlson fought santana and beat him, though their two other fights, i think, were draws. // kimura played with helio?if so, why didn't he just choke him out, rather than SNAP his arm. there is one fight in today's mma where a fighter with a broken arm went on to win.

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts In other words, Helio got lucky against Kato and chance presented itself rather than Helio's skill winning the day. Even if you think that's an over statement, Kato is not Kimura, and Helio's only chance was simply chance.// Why? Speculation here, but choking him out would only demonstrate basic generic skills which both guys had. Kimura wanted to prove his dominance, so he did it with his signature move. In Japan, machismo is for children. He didn't think Helio would let...

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts...him break his arm. When you're beat, there's no shame in tapping, especialy when you can always improve for the rematch. The Gracies would rather die in a match than tap out, because real men don't tap by their logic. In fairness, it's not just their logic, Brazil is famous for such fighters in both vale tudo and sanctioned matches.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 5. ...behalf. so you see, i give you winning ground with regard to your point that it sould've been closer in helio and kimura's match, if kimura's greater size was the determining factor and they were even in skill. kimura was not dominating in vale tudo; just judo matches. i think if carlson gracie fought kimura in a no rules fight, carlson would've beaten him...and carlson was only 150 lbs, but incredible at jiu-jitsu.// kimura said he learned, "one must never fear...

[Super8astard]

@vinnynumbnuts That has to do with the area. Vale Tudo is pretty much exlusive to Brazil, where as judo was the big thing in Japan. Kimura was a big bad-ass dude, but I he wouldn't hav been successful against a boxer in a boxing match either. Also, GJJ is almost pure newaza, so in theory the advantage should've been Helio's once it went to the ground. Either way, the contest was fair for both of them, and vale tudo stacked against Kimura. Even still, he wasn't to be trifled with in it.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 6. ...death," after his vale tudo fight with santana. certainly the japanese cultural idea of a fighter or warrior is that of a man who will not give up...and even die if he has to. this was why the americans dropped two atomic bombs on japan, no? because they didn't want to fight japanese troops on the ground. the japanese kamakazi exemplified this fight-to-the-death spirit and never surrendering. helio and kimura felt great pressure as representitives of their arts and nations

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard f) ...child, the lady from being violated by some scum bag in the street because they don't have the physical attributes to defend themselves--physical efficiency. i know because i studied gracie jiu-jitsu. i did other kinds of fighting, too. THIS is how helio contributed to martial arts. kimura saw it. to reiterate: he sincerely invited little helio to teach "something new" in japan. zzz... and the gracies woke up not only the general public in the u.s., but also martial artists.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard g) oh, let's throw in a 'g'. look, i'm well aware of other movements and realities of what real (approximation) fighting is about. oh, take the "pankration" sport of ancient greece. hell, wouldn't you know it--they also had thales, socrates, plato and aristotle. pankration involved boxing and wrestling. but ignorance is always abound. in other spheres, as well as martial arts. i think of plato's cave.......and helio's ability to make them to turn around and come out into the sun.

[vinnynumbnuts]

@Super8astard 4) and by the way, the fight between helio and kimura was under jiu-jitsu rule, ie., can do anything except kicks and punches. but now don't get your back up here, me son, for kimura was also a master of karate; for helio honestly said, in his mind, there was nobody on the planet that could beat kimura. now you just got to give helio big balls with the coffin joke and the subsequent 13 minute war without ever giving up, even after getting his arm broke. kimura was very impressed.

[TheSamuelSSilva]

Xa a sunga do cara rapaziada, hj e em dia pra essa sunga ser sucesso bastava ter escrito nela MCD, red nose, bad boy ou qq uma outra marca que os bostéticos acham que é alguma coisa.

[BandakaKush]

Eugenio's shorts are badass if you ask me.

[newstylesurfer]

Esses combates sem luvas que eram bom de se ver!!!

[Renildovasco]

Porra maior combate e vocês ficam reparando na sunga!

[capojitsu]

Rickson talking bulls""" t as aways ...........

[2r1c]

these guys are brazilian heros.......just it.....real fight, no rules.....MMA ORIGINS

[2submit]

im an mma fan and a practioner and love bjj and the gracies and classic fight like Ricksin chokes but... what their wearing looks sooo gay sorry guys .. im just saying

[blueingreentrain]

old school!  whos the apdeu guy is he luta libre?

[2submit]

@blueingreentrain Eugenio tadeu yes luta

[brucebwsb]

o royler tem o mesmo estilo do rickson

[jdflenik]

puta que pariu que sunga lazarenta hein meu filho...

[gabrielvictorhexa]

na minha opinião eugenio tadeu se deu bem...royler tem um chão excelente mas naum sabe trocar...agora tem que ver as 5 partes restantes...hehe

[musicadeverdade]

o eugenio é casca grossa se deu bem

[musicadeverdade]

ola sou professor de judo,sempre acompanhei vale tudo,sou fã,mas hoje a realidade que o rickson e a famila gracie ñ ia arranjar nada,hoje todos sabem realmente lutar varias artes marcias

[xnd1601]

em tempo ja que vc quer rende pros gracies renda pro carson , helio, renzo o próprio royler esses ai botaram a cara e não são como o pela saco do rickson que diz ter mais de 400 lutas .... só se for no playstation 2

[bombadoiog]

4:43 - o royler tomou um roooodo !! uahsuahua

[bguedes1988]

vai se fuder xnd1601 deixa de ser burro fdp!... ele é o cara

[xnd1601]

como sempre o rickson só sabe falar, lutar nunca lutou nada. em tempo o eugenio ganho !!!

[pritonico]

O rickson como sempre fala pra caralho!

[pattyceu]

o tadeu se deu bem ,so deu soco na cara.....

[YAMAZAK1]

eh vc OBSERVADOR?

[augustoqm5]

Hahaha, não sou ele não. Mas sou amigo dele, a gente trocou alguns videos.

[lucalottasubmission]

In real combat (no rulkes and TATAMI) luta livre is superior!!!

always LUTA LIVRE

[podesoro]

o Rickson fala bem mermo

[billysue2]

thats some shite standard

[monkeypb]

O Eugenio tadeu ta parecendo a MULHER MARAVILHA com essa botinha branca e essa sunga com listras!

[snakerattle79]

Nice! Tadeu caught Royler with a Hook

[Skanx420]

cock smokers!!!!

[2submit]

if mma was not here today this looks brutal to see but bec of mma is so common it looks less brutal but still knowing this is before still gives me goosepumps for brutality

[fmoa]

4:51 kinda a ladyboy walk dat dude does..

[fmoa]

wats up with da speedos..come ooonnnnnnn..those speedos make dis video a zero...

[elperico5]

welll your right but they once were good students at the gracie academy and left to try out their own, besides they took out the gi to calim a solid difference but in reality theres just the roundhouse kicks and approach, the rest is the same.

[souzajr15]

always jiujitsu

[rogestolio]

at the time wearing speedos was in style

[MrSweetPotato]

Rickson NOT Royler

[thecrazyfilipino]

Royler NOT Rickson.

Rickson was the one talking int he beginning, Royler is the one fighting.

[wasimkhan321]

watch out for the nasty head butts from 8:51 onwards (Royler in the recieving end)

[wasimkhan321]

Tadeu rocks Royler with a right at 7:56

[wasimkhan321]

when did this happen? and who is Tadeu what is his background?

[kwak76]

are they wearing speedos?

[gjj4life]

they are called sungas

[kimzaidem]

Porra = fuck lol

[SorianoBjjClub]

CLASSICO!!!!!

[tinocopol]

Ninguém tem a luta do Hugo na academia

[MarceloAndreazza]

estavam lá, REYSON, ROLKER, RICKSON, ROYLER, RENZO, RALPH, ROBSON, DENILSON MAIA, HUGO DUARTE, PEDRO VALENTE, MARCELO BEHRING, etc

essa luta se deu no mesmo prédio da academia Gracie Humaita, após a briga da praia do PEPÊ, em 1989, briga que postarei em julho inclusive, completa

[tinocopol]

Eu tenho essa luta toda gravada en VHS inclusive a parte que o Eugênio fala "Pra mim chega". Dois guerreiros.. 40 minutos de porrada. Parabéns para os dois

[tinocopol]

Eu tenho essa luta toda gravada en VHS inclusive a parte que o Eugênio fala "Pra mim chega". Dois guerreiros.. Parabéns para os dois

[pridetv]

What does PORRA mean?

[danielvarjao]

it's like damn it

[pridetv]

thank you.

[Turar]

EUGENIO PORRA!!!

[rapaduracomlimao]

classico!