@PfanderFilms identifying God as a trinity by the use of the Hebrew "Elohim" (plural) is a non starter.
The famous trinitarian scholar, Robert Young, (Young's Analytical Concordance and Young's Literal Translation of the Bible)
"Heb. Elohim, a plural noun ... it seems to point out a superabundance of qualities in the Divine Being rather than a plurality of persons .... It is found almost invariably accompanied by a verb in the singular number.
see the accounts of one person. mark luke john ect . .
then see the same accounts of someone else of the same account and youll find there would be many insetsy ini.. for example one person would say he said this.. anoyther would say compltry something else..
one person would say he said nothign when he was on the cross and die that way. another wouls say he said my father ect .. also go on my page and youll see many listed in the infos
Jesus: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29) And this one LORD (Jehovah) is manifest as Father Son ITim 3:16, and Holy Ghost I Cor. 12:7. I John 5:7 "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy ghost: and these three are one." He is the three who are one, not the three in one. The 3 in 1 is the fantasy of Plato, Aristotle, Numenius, Heraclitus etc.. adapted by Augustine and embraced by Hellish Mother Church. Lay off the speed man.
I could not make it through the entire video. Too much rant, incoherence, and misinformation. I am all for dialogue but this was ill informed and all over the place. But thanks for the upload.
Jesus was God in the flesh and he died for all of our sins, and the Holy spirit is the spirit of God that comes into peoples hearts. Just believe Jesus Christ as your savior from hell fire and confess your sins to God and you will recieve the Holy spirit of God and you shall be saved. Jesus loves you and that is why he died on the cross for us and why God sent him to do so. The final sin offering has been made and it was the blood of Jesus that will save you nothing else. God bless.
I think of the trinity of God as a person is. A person is one singular person, but they have many members to their body they have hands, legs, and a head all are connected but all do different things such as walk, talk, and grab. You have one who controls all the others, God the father called Yhwh, is the primary, the other two are connected to him such as the members of a persons body. Jesus and the Holy spirit are just members of one being, but all are God because all are connected.
"CONCEPT" = A general idea derived or inferred from specific instances or occurrences. or Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion. -- I can clearly see now where you get your ideas from !! But always keep in mind revelation 22:18-21 - If you add something or take something away then you alone have to be fully responsible to Almighty God, Personally i could never add something Man made "Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion" to Gods word ! its already complete!
I feel 100% sure if Christ stood in front of you, touched your shoulder and said "i appreciate your zeal BUT there is NO SUCH TEACHING OF THE TRINITY" you'd argue with him too !.Mark 12 28-29 . 28 And one of the scribes came , and having heard them reasoning together , and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear , O Israel; The Lord our God is (one) Lord:(king James Version)
The Bible does not even have the word Trinity in it, less so teach it ! If you do find it in a modern bible it is usually a paraphrased Bible, Not good ! get yourself a good Hebrew and Greek Interlinear and you will see for yourself, or find a way of feeding and teaching scriptural truths and you may find the public might appreciate it ! Always remember Jesus said SATAN was the father of the LIE! so we need to be careful what we teach!
@bonnyjishop I use the KJ Bible. I also use Strong's Concordance with Hebrew + Greek Lexicon. Ur ILLOGICAL statement that the word "trinity" isn't in the Bible means nothing! Neither is the word "Bible" in the Bible! It's the concept of the triune God that is being described: ISAIAH 48:12-17 is just 1 of quite a few verses that show the triune God in 1 verse. The Old Testament has many more than the 1 i have used. The New Testament has Jesus Himself stating this very fact: JOHN 14:1-26...
One thing that drives me nuts about you guys, if G-d tied His shoes that would be evidence of the trinity. The people who believe in the triune god(s) are pagans.
infinity is not bigger than infinity ! jesus said Father is greater than I , father is greater than ALL! Don't wast your time and protect a man made nonsense
@MrCobra811 As PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11 shows Jesus is God the Son. He is from everlasting like His Father+God the Holy Spirit. His divine attributes of co-eternal+co-equal with the Father+the Holy Spirit r not negated because Jesus allows Himself 2 b subject 2 His Father. Jesus is the Visible image of God. Notice what Jesus says in: JOHN 15:24. In the Godhead the Father is supreme. This doesn't take away from Jesus being God. JOHN 10:30 shows Jesus is God. God doesn't use human logic or common sense!
@The3in1trinity You are using a book to answer questions, a book can be corrupted, a book is a book! You have to use the common sense to find out what is right and wrong, that book which u are using has stuff in it which are so immoral and horrible, if you accept something from it then you have to accept all of it ! God doesn't use logic and common sense haha funny , he looks more stupid then humans ! Than what makes your religion any different from hindus , budhists , stone worshipers etc ?
@MrCobra811 Unless God had given the 10 Commandments 2 Moses, then how would Moses + the ppl have known what God wanted without Him revealing it? HEBREWS 1:1-14. 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-17. When u say "common sense", WHO'S common sense r u referring 2? A psychopath might consider that they have common sense, likewise the thief, murderer, adulterer, liar etc. Ur theory doesn't work in practice when it concerns how God reveals Himself + how He has given us knowledge of Himself through His Word...
@MrCobra811 I DIDN'T say God didn't use logic. I MADE THE POINT THAT GOD DIDN'T USE HUMAN FALLIBLE LOGIC OR HUMAN COMMON SENSE!!! I have no problem with accepting ALL of God's Word. Because u r self-willed + ignorant u haven't the sense 2 actually do serious research as 2 the way of life of the ppl in the times of the Old Testament. U don't read Scripture 2 understand how ppl lived (an eye 4 an eye etc). U simply c something u don't understand + apply ur fallible human logic. WAKE UP MY FRIEND!
So in the translations we ignore the adjectives and verbs to indicate plurality?
Unless it refers to something that you can't imply it too?
Thus Genesis 1:1 can be mistranslated to Gods?
Thus the Gods created heaven(s) and the earth? The (s) is for which text is used, if someone who reads this doesn't know the difference between the sources and variations in the bibles. Also one can also assume that the Godhead can only refer to the Father and Son alone. if you don't believe in the trinity.
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
Jesus answered him: “I have spoken to the world publicly. I always taught in a synagogue and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.
@quranresponse Jesus has many titles. Both Son of Man + Son of God r but 2 of many. MATTHEW 4:6. MATTHEW 14:33. MATTHEW 8:29. MATTHEW 26:63-64. MATTHEW 27:54. MARK 3:11. LUKE 1:35. LUKE 4:41. LUKE 8:28. JOHN 1:49. JOHN 3:18. JOHN 5:25. JOHN 9:35-38. JOHN 10:36. JOHN 11:4. JOHN 11:27. JOHN 19:7. JOHN 20:31. 1 JOHN 3:8. 1 JOHN 4:15. 1 JOHN 5:5-12. REVELATION 2:18. Jesus says: "seek + u will find"!!!
@quranresponse In case u haven't understood, i have both typed words + given u the books of the Bible with chapters + verses so u can check what i have written. If u can't understand what i have just typed then u need 2 do something about ur lack of comprehension skills!!!
@quranresponse I think u r lacking in either skills in typing English or u r not very intelligent? Obviously anyone reading ur comment can c that u r not a logical person. U makes ignorant claims + then when i give u the correct information u simply make a nonsensical comment. If u want 2 understand God's Inspired Word the Bible then u need 2 read it. 1 SAVIOUR WHO IS JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD + GOD IN THE FLESH!!!
@quranresponse My friend, i c on ur youtube page that u live in the USA. Y in ur ability 2 write in English so bad? Can u not grasp that it was the devils inside these ppl who were speaking + not the ppl themselves. The devils also knew Jesus was the Son of God!!! Your typing + comprehension skills r very poor. I suggest u learn 2 get a better command of English b4 u post Scriptures that u can't understand...
However, in order for you to know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sin.
Matthew-ch-13-vs-41 (people speaking)
The son of man will send forth his angels, and the will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness.
God tells a deliberate lie to the people who are watching. Obviously he doesn't want the people to know that he is really God, so he throws his voice to make it appear like someone in Heaven is speaking and saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." This is amazing!! No wonder they call it a mystery.
The Trinity teachers say that the Holy Spirit is also God. So, now, get this! While John is standing there in the water, he sees God comedown and sit down on top of his own head. And, that's not all - he gets a good look at God. God is now either a bird sitting on top of what looks like a man (or is it the other way round?) Then, he discovers this God-Bird-Man is also a ventriloquist - while he stands there in utter disbelief,
The Trinity teachers claim that Jesus is God. This immediately makes John God's second cousin, and makes John 6 months older than God - and man was here on earth 4,000 years before God was born. This is ridiculous, but it gets even better. When you read Luke 3:21, 22, John had the unspeakable privilege of baptizing his Creator, who was also his second cousin. But the incredible thing is that John was 6 months old before his Creator was born.
trinity is amusing! The belief that the Trinity is a mystery, that the father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, is stated by Christendom to be a "mystery!" Could the following be a reason they label it a mystery? Luke 1:36 states that Mary and Elizabeth are cousins, and that John is 6 months older than Jesus, making John and Jesus second cousins. Luke 3:23 says Jesus was about 30 years old when he was baptized by John, and here is where the "mystery" begins.
Nonsense can never be explained. Circles cannot be explained as squares. First demonstrate this God then we'll all understand this Trinity you bullshit about.
@The3in1trinity Romans 1-16-32, really my friend? All so called holy books have similar words saying their God is the real God. Are those religions correct also? Do the Gods of other religions also exist? The truth is there's no evidence for any Gods. Gods live only in people's imaginations. You're brainwashed.
the word is not god. he was with god in the beginning and all things came into exsitance through him so in gen 1:1 that was showing us how the word was with god in the beginning when he said let us make man in our image. do u notice how they said "in our image" jesus was in gods image too so if you beleive jesus is god you also say man is also god. think about it. i do love your passion tho.
@rynsinnott1 Jesus had the divinity that men don't (according to Christians...) We were made in his image in that an INTELLIGENT life form was created... This is what Christians would say.
@rynsinnott1 Learn 2 read properly my friend: JOHN 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God". It pays 2 look at what u r trying 2 mock so u don't make urself look stupid as u have done...
@BLACKMAFIA03 ISAIAH 9:6-7. ISAIAH 6:1(LUKE 4:18). ISAIAH 48:12-17 (The Holy One of Israel is a title of Jesus). JOHN 1:1. JOHN 1:1-34. JOHN 3:16-36. JOHN 12:27-50. JOHN 20:28-31. JOHN 14:1-26. JOHN 6:29-71. There is 1 Saviour given+He is Jesus Christ the Son of God who is God in the flesh. Time 2open ur eyes+ur heart 2Jesus the Saviour. God's Word DOESN'T SUPPORT the koran. U need 2read God's Word if u seek 2know God. Jesus makes it clear that u will die in ur sins if u don't heed His warning.
I cast out devils by the Spirit of God" Mathew 12:28
I with the finger of God cast out devils." Luke 11:20 "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
@FreedomFighterReturn But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before."
So.. as you can see, people who walked with Jesus, talked with him, learned from him said this is the way to baptize.
"And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm.
@FreedomFighterReturn This is talking about the creed; not the history of the passage of the baptismal scripture.
The Didache, as I have said before, is an instruction manual from people who walked with Jesus, learned from Jesus and the baptismal forumla found in there says we must baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
@FreedomFighterReturn The words in parentheses from your Cardinal Ratzinger quote (the one you sent me) are not part of his actual text. They were added by various websites misrepresenting what he said. The "text" he's referring to in your quote is the text of the Creed, not the text of Matthew 28:19. And as you can see, he goes on to quote Matthew 28:19 a few verses later the same way Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Tertullian did.
Jesus words are clear as day, but the corrupt doctrine of the Church blinds your eyes."
You did NOT refute anything whatsoever! You are just blind to accept what is obvious.. that is what is meant by Matthew 13:11-13.
You are so blind it makes me sick, actually it makes me feel sorry for you. Why don't you go on to debate SeptemberCatholic18? After all, when I was falling into the Islamic trap; he saved me and showed me truth
@FreedomFighterReturn The words in parentheses from your Cardinal Ratzinger quote (the one you sent me) are not part of his actual text. They were added by various websites misrepresenting what he said. The "text" he's referring to in your quote is the text of the Creed, not the text of Matthew 28:19. And as you can see, he goes on to quote Matthew 28:19 a few verses later the same way Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Tertullian did.
@FreedomFighterReturn So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text comes from the city of Rome; but its internal origin lies in worship; more precisely, in the conferring of baptism. This again was fundamentally based on the words of the risen Christ recorded in Matthew 28:19: 'Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.'"
"It may be useful to preface the discussion with a few facts about the origin and structure of the Creed; these will at the same time throw some light on the legitimacy of the procedure. The basic form of our profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism.
@FreedomFighterReturn Your previous response on that the Pope said that the baptism of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in Matthew originated from Rome..
Where exactly does it say that in the book? You twisted it so bad! You are unbelievable!
@FreedomFighterReturn You are so bloody annoying and blind.. now I remember why I stopped debating with Muslims; they twist scripture to their own destruction! You scurry for an alternative to an obvious to-the-point verse.
Address Matthew 16:16-17, too. Even though you're going to twist the verse to something else.
@FreedomFighterReturn "You falsely claim The Comforter is NOT Muhammad! But Holy Spirit was coming and going before Jesus!!"
I do not "falsely" claim that The Comforter is not Muhammad. The Holy Spirit was coming after to guide us into the truth that Jesus had not yet finished teaching. Muhammad was not a comforter; he was a murderer, enslaved people and raped.
@FreedomFighterReturn Jesus was telling Thomas to stop doubting what the disciples said to him about Jesus being alive, so Jesus came and told him to stop and then Thomas believed when Jesus came and said "My Lord and my God!" Jesus agreed to Thomas saying he is God.
@FreedomFighterReturn "Astonished Thomas, standing corrected and amazed says in shock: {20:28} Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
In exclamation. It's like my telling you: "My God, Z1GGYK3V, you misquote Jesus""
Oh my god.. that is such a twist and exaggeration to your blind religion.
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
{16:12} I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now"
What Jesus was saying in that passage is that the Spirit of Truth will come to guide us into truth; the Holy Spirit came and guided us to realize the Trinity and other doctrines.
This passage cannot be referring to Muhammad, because, according to you, Spirits have no flesh or bones.
I know you're blind and corrupted but I'm the one making sense and winning this debate; you are not, you are making a fool of yourself.
The Didache.. an instruction manual by people who lived with Christ and walked with him says that baptism is "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
@FreedomFighterReturn Also, what I don't understand is why did you run away from my two scriptures I gave you, John 1:1; 18? You just jump on to other scriptures that you think you can defend; but you can't, that's your problem.
@FreedomFighterReturn "Hear O Israel, our Lord is ONE Lord, and you say, no God is 3..."
I've already told you to look at my video titled "Trinity: Echad vs Yachid" in response to Deut 6:4.
The Hebrew word 'echad' means 'one', but the Hebrew word 'echad' for one is used mostly to describe a unity. Look at my video for a better explanation.
@FreedomFighterReturn Neither of us are lying, you are not understanding the two natures of Jesus. Jesus on Earth is a human, he is God who emptied himself and became servant. (Phil 2:6-8) Jesus came down from heaven, he pre-existed. (John 8:58; 17:5) Which means Jesus WAS Spirit, but he came down from heaven and became flesh and bones. We all have a Spirit, the Spirit itself does not have flesh and bones. But the Spirit is inside everyone who has flesh and bones.
@FreedomFighterReturn "50,000 Errors/Contradictions, same garbage. At least this number is NOT reported by Osama Bin Laden But by Christians ..."
JW is a "Christian" cult, they try to disprove every other version other than theres.
"God is a "spirit" or a non-physical entity."
God said he would come to Earth. (Isaiah 40:3) God the Father is a spirit. God the Son is spiritually begotten and he came to Earth, that's when God came.
"Son of Man" is a Messianic title, nothing to do with that.
@FreedomFighterReturn I believe that Romans is inspired, just like I believe that all the NT/OT writings are inspired and just like you believe your Koran is inspired.
@FreedomFighterReturn You do not know the Bible better than me in my own language; you're claiming that, that is not true. I don't want to read the Qur'an because it was (supposedly) from an angel that in the past before Muhammad said Jesus was the Son of God (Luke 1:32) now 600 years later, come back to contradict himself. It's obviously not the same spiritual being, something wouldn't happen to later contradict itself. We must conclude it is not the same spiritual being.
@FreedomFighterReturn In Phillipians 2:6-8 we see that Jesus was God, but he made himself nothing by "emptying himself" and taking the roll of a servant by becoming *obedient* until death on a cross.
So Jesus had two, distinct natures in himself. Divine and human. Christians, let me speak for Catholics, that we believe Jesus is the pre-existent Son of the Father (Proverbs 30:4) who became flesh and was the Son of God, the Messiah.. but because he was begotten of God ("of God") he is God!
@FreedomFighterReturn "If Jesus says, I can of my own self do NOTHING ... yet acknowledges that with God ALL things are possible. Clearly, Jesus is NOT God Phill 2:6-8 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death even death on a cross!
@FreedomFighterReturn I honestly don't care what the Korran says, it has no value to me. If you are of the SAME NATURE AS GOD, YOU ARE DIVINE, MEANING YOU ARE GOD. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS? I JUST REALIZED WHAT ALL THE ISLAMOPHOBES MEANT BY MUSLIMS BEING UNEDUCATED.
@FreedomFighterReturn Jesus also pre-existed, what does that mean? It means he was not created like Muslims so arrogantly say. He is co-equal with the Father.
@FreedomFighterReturn When a Muslim loses a debate and he knows inside that he lost, the debate ends with him inside thinking or he says it, which is: "Fact is, Jesus never said I am God, worship me." WE KNOW THAT! YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT IF SOMEONE CAME UP TO YOU AND SAID THEY WERE GOD.
I have sufficiently defended John 1:1; 14 which proves Jesus is God. Now you've ignored it and jumped on to John 1:18 where I know and anyone else would know you are losing and that it shows Jesus is God.
So according to you the Holy Spirit is a liar? I believe in the Holy Spirit and that HE inspired the Bible, the Holy Spirit called Jesus God in the inspired text so many times! I'll believe the Holy Spirit over you.
@FreedomFighterReturn Listen. If you are "of God" you are of the same divine nature as God, if you are "of God (i.e. "of the divine nature) you are God! Since there is only one God, Jesus and the Father are one.
@FreedomFighterReturn "It keeps getting worse for the Christian. Doesn't the God that BEGETS is GREATER and WISER than the BEGOTTEN God?"
Why are you trying to act like you are winning this debate? You are getting completely thrashed. You have to understand, the Codex Sinaiticus calls Jesus God! Why are you so ignorant? Debating with Muslims is so annoying.
"You will NOT find a SINGLE statement by Jesus Christ saying "I am YOUR God, worship me.""
So? That doesn't help your argument because if someone came up to you and said they were God, would you believe them? No. Why would it be different for Jesus?
"No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known"
In the Greek manuscript it calls Jesus an only begotten God.. even the passage in NIV supports the Trinity.
@FreedomFighterReturn I wasn't bringing up 1 John 5:7, I just said it's an added verse.
Address John 1:18, why are you not arguing it! John 1:18 says Jesus is God. Your argument or are you looking at it open mindedly and not being ignorant?
@FreedomFighterReturn The KJV is an unreliable bible version, basically because it still includes 1 John 5:7. Anyway, I read the Greek in Codex Sinaiticus the oldest Bibe in the world and it has the word "God" appearing twice and no "Son" it calls Jesus an only begotten God.
A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD ; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mark 1:3
“a voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’”
John the Baptist is the 'voice of one calling'.
Matthew 3:3
This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’”
@FreedomFighterReturn "Your Master, Savior, and "Lord" Jesus Christ never uttered it, never preached it, and never spoke it"
The Gospel of John was written by John the Baptist; a prophet of God.
"Yeah, wine is blood, bread is flesh, and 1 is 3 !!!!"
You look at the passages we give you objectively; you've already been indoctrinated to believe that it's not true. So you won't believe it because it's already corrupted within your heart.
@FreedomFighterReturn That is your interpretation of John 10:30. It can be viewed as one in being, or one in purpose. The explanation of John 10:29 can be used to back up the Trinity by viewing it as a one in essence.
@FreedomFighterReturn "that you, I, Abraham, Jesus, ALL of God's creation exist in God's knowledge before we are born, before we 'become.' We are ETERNAL in God's knowledge."
That's the biggest exaggeration and twist of any verse I have ever seen or imaginable. Jesus claimed to pre-exist.
Look at this verse: John 17:5.. Jesus did pre-exist and shared glory with the Father.
@FreedomFighterReturn So why does Jesus claim to be God? John 8:58 which is a reference to Exodus 3:14. The Jews knew that was his claim. That is why they picked up stones to stone him. Why does the Spirit remain with Jesus John 1:33? Why does Jesus say I and the father are ONE John 10:30. He is the EXACT representation of his being Hebrews 1:3 and it is Jesus that sustains all things.
The scripture is full of trinitarian language - Read John 14. Read the bible rather than critique it.
@FreedomFighterReturn Yeah now that makes sense. Especially as Jesus himself was baptised and the 3 synoptic gospels all give account of that and John the "Baptist" bares witness of Jesus. Don't read the scholar, read the bible
@FreedomFighterReturn What a crock. Scholars do not change things to suit theologies or doctrines. The bible was written by God's prophets and apostles who speak of actual historical situations rather than by one man who speaks from no one but his own authority...which can't be verified by any other.
@izlamiztruth The Trinity is a false concept man created. Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: (Notice how it says God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?) That is one of the very many verses that teaches the opposite of the trinity. There are no verses that hint a trinity. Some verses are taken out of context and ppl try to use those but it doesn't work.
Anyone with a hint of common sense can see that the trinity is false. One God Jehovah or however you perfer to pronounce the name and his son Jesus. HolySpirit belongs to Jehovah its his spirit, not another god.
You challenged to show in Quran the word defining Allah is 'One'. You can ask a 10 yr old Muslim person who started to learn Quran, he/she will show you it is there in Chapter 112 Verse 1 and he/she will explain you more clearly than you are trying to explain that 3 = 1. And 99 names are for a single God, not 99 Gods.
All the Prophets( from Moses onwards are Jewish and not Arab) revealed God's unfolding revelation and in that they bear witness to the Trinity, even though this name is not so expressed- they demonstrate the Spirit, the Son and the Father who is YHWH.
But pray tell us if we are to proceed what is the definition of the Trinity? since you go by that name you should know a matter before you can expose it as a lie- what then do you understand by the word Trinity??
My question is simple here it is again 'Can anyone show me which Prophet EVER spoke about a trinity'?
You can't do it no matter how hard you try & your assertion that 'they bear witness to the Trinity' is false because if there was such a beleif amongst the Prophets they would have said it, that is why no Jew ever believed in a trinity. You are trying to put a spin on their words to justify your position & it ain't working.
As for defining a trinity the definition is very clear it means 3 persons in 1.
But according to the Bible God came in more than 3 forms, so how do you end up with only 3?
According to the Bible he came as a Dove , a burnig bush & you also believe that God dwells in you & 6.2 billion other Human forms (& rising) so much for a trinity.
No guess again fool: The trinity you have not defined precise enough and yet you claim it is very clear- IF IT IS CLEAR THEN WHY HAVEN'T YOU DEFINED IT WELL??
YOU ISLAMIC FOOL- YOUR silly allah came as a bush; a hand & a shin; he even comes as a man in Islam!
Yes our ~God has given us of his Spirit and he leads unto Truth; that is why we spot those religionists who act like they know spiritual things but really they don't know much- the prophets spoke much about many things- some clear, some mystic, some prophetic, but the full revelation was given in Christ- for the Triune God can be seen in the words of the Prophets, and is made clearer by Christ's Apostles. If you humble yourselfs you will see it- by God's grace- but u r proud?
@christ4all2allmyall Wrong. The prophets didn't go by the trinity concept either. They are one being, not one God. The Bible is very clear they are NOT one God. God is the Father of Jesus Christ; if they're one God how can God be His own Father? Trinity concept is not biblical and never implied.
@PurgingFalsehood The Qur'an has no value to the eyes of 4.5 billion people worldwide. The Qur'an to those 4.5 billion people is complete lies. The Trinity is true; it is in the Bible! You've just been indoctrinated to believe that the Trinity is false, thus you will not believe in it unless you search for it open mindedly. You look at the passage Christians use objectively and already believing that the Bible is corrupted and the Trinity is false in your hearts.
When you say God (ELOHIM (plural)) in Christianity it is always FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT. Matthew 28:18 Jesus said, All power in heaven has been given to me. John 12:49 Jesus said My Father who sent me give me a command what to say and how to say it. Did Jesus said I am God worship me? If you want a verse that Jesus said I am God it is in Isaiah 43:3; Isaiah 44:6 which is parallel to Revelation 1:17,18.
. Oh by the way Muslims, Muhammad IS Allah. Muhammad committed BLASPHEMY. Not christ or Christians. Among the many verses proving this, refer to sura 33:56. & READ IT IN ARABIC!!! The typical deceitful Muslim Translators Purposely Manipulated the Translation.
sura 33: 56 ARABIC: "Inalazeena yu'zoonallaha wa rasoolahu la'anahumullaho fidunnya walakhirati wa'a adalahum azabamoheena" ENGLISH: "Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.
What are you on about???? Muhammad is NOT Allah. This is just your stupid attempt to create mischief and lies about Islam as you have no other meaningful arguments!!!
@trueguynolies Put this heretic in his place brother. This guy is off the chart lost. His brain cant function. Everyone knows that God didnt commit suicide as a man for men. The sins still exist. Why do they celebrate Christmas when Jesus is not born in December 25th? They are pagans, not a true monotheistic practitioners.Anyone believe that Jesus is God is not a TRUE follower of Jesus.
always speak about trinity but doesnt stop to meet the truth about the real circumces about the knows about the trinity was do in the bible, the second holy book was related for the christians in actualy but this is not the real message was sending, so is wrong afirme because in this time he has a muslim but the chritianity manipulated and change many interesting thing for give power to control the word of god
I kinda feel for Christians when they try to explain the unexplainable!!! English language uses plural of numbers only and do not really understand plural of respect as with Arabic and judaism! So when your saying elohim this is plural of respect and NOT numbers! Also, in the Quran it is very clear that Allah is ONE! Read sura 112 for the perfect definition of God! Create something better than this verse if you can as God challenges you 2 do so but you can't!
@trueguynolies Time manifests itself in the past, present, & future but there is only ONE time. Another analogy. According to muslims, torah, injeel, qur'an have same 1 message. So message is manifested through the torah, gospel, & qur'an YET it is still ONE MESSAGE, ONE GOD, ONE RELIGION. 3 different functions but One god. Holy ghost nor Father are meant to die for sins, but the Son is.
3 God's as 3 DISTINCT PERSONALITIES!!!!! 3 DIFFERENT roles, 3 DIFFERENT beings = 3 Gods! There's no getting away with it!!! Your only fooling yourselves!
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Now i believe the options to dismiss a biblical passage are:
1) context
2) Translation
3) Interpretation
4) ad hom attack on author - Paul?
Plz help me - i'm becoming christian but i'm tired of ppl using the water analogy - it is heresy. it isn't trinity it is MODALITY *sigh* oh and even my study bible dismisses the "Royal we" of the OT...
@dd2189 Our stony insensitivity to the eloquence is commensurate with our ignorance of the style & metaphor of the ancient languages in which it was revealed.There are many expressions in the beautiful English of Shakespeare, for example, that have either become meaningless or taken on a different meaning.The word fond was used by Shakespeare to mean foolish:"For I, too fond, might have prevented this." What does FOND mean in modern times? Bible is of this example.This is y we r so lost.
This is why the idea of Son of God is misconstrued.This is why most of Jesus true preachings is misconstrued. Son is "pias" meaning that the metaphor of Son of God means servant and/or son. God doesnt author confusion.Jesus said himself that no one has ever heard Gods voice and seen him.If Jesus were a fragment of God, you would of seen and heard God through Jesus. Contradicting!Jesus said God has never walked on Earth for He is in Heaven.Jesus walked on Earth.Contradicting.Jesus is a servant.
The metaphor of classification to being a child of God was widely used to other prophets, such as Moses, Abraham and the rest of the 124,000 messengers of God.Why not idol worship them as well?Jesus had brothers, Simon, Joseph&Jude.Their letters are not in the bible!No bread or wine for symbol of Jesus blood and body was taught in prayer.Traditional Christian women back in those times were not allowed to even talk, just like Muslim women modern times during prayer.I would do LOTS of research.
...ok, so i've been to the happy clappy church thing...the "i'm so in love with you Jesus" thing...then i read the bible. I challenge anyone who has read the whole bible, OT and NT to believe God likes happy clappy. This view that the father/son love is the platonian perfect love which is mirrored in the Father's/Jesus' love for us smacks of "jesus is my best friend"...is that really why we need the trinity??
confusion Trinity Logic Is Jesus God? Yes Is Jesus the Father? NO Is the Father God? Yes Is The Father Jesus? No So these are 2 different persons? Yes And both are God? Yes Is the Holy Spirit God?Yes Is the Holy Spirit the Father or Jesus? No How many Gods do you see here? one
The Bible does not have scientific miracles to support what is barely discovered in 20th century. 7th century could not of known all this. This supports that Quran is the WORD OF GOD not word of man. Trinity is word of man. Bible is not an original form, Quran is. Quran is the ONLY exceptional divine invocation which leaves a lasting impression on man.
According to the calculations of experts on astronomy,the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hr in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex.This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day.Along with the Sun,all planets&satellites within gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance."By the sky full of paths and orbits"(Quran,21:7)This proves to be word of GOD due to modern discoveries of today.
More scientific miracles in Quran. There are scientific miracles of the Quran where 20th century barely approved with modern technology. ex: "It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, they swim along, each in an orbit."(Qur'an,21:33)"And the sun runs to its resting place, That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing."(Qur'an,36:38) These facts communicated in Quran have been discovered through our age.
You remind me so much of my Uncle Bob, preaching Bible with a beer in his hand.You even look like him.Nevermind that,the correlation of geological fact of the word sea appears 32 times.The word land appears 13 times in Quran.Add them up and you get 45.Now 32 out of 45 equals 71.1% which represents the area of sea.13 out of 45 is 28.8%,area of land.Modern science recently proved water covers 71.11% of Earth while land covers 28.89%.These are facts on top of facts when you read the Quran
Christians, Let me ask you this, Moses tormented those by the WILL of GOD for they idolized golden statues of bulls and so forth,right? God punished them, why would God contradict His hate towards idol worship and be a man to have us worship a figure on the cross? He would not be a hypocrite to his own teachings. Why call for one last prophet after His manifestation as man and still demand Divine Reality? Just doesn't make sense. Research History and Etymology, you will find truth.
It is typical for man to think of his value in existence to be a God figure at some point in time. "I will create a vicegerent on Earth."Jesus did not die for Adam&Eve's sin nor would he punish himself in 3 days in Hell before resurrection.God is the all knowing&expected Adam&Eve to fail to establish intelligent life that understand the need for HIM&to admin Earth.Adam&Eve were forgiven by not being charged for it on Judgment Day.Jesus was not sent for sacrifice for what is already forgiven.
God, Jesus nor other Prophets ever preached the Trinity, the concept came from Flavius Constantine in a time after the supposed death of Christ@325AD.Once the Nicea Council meeting was underway Constantine DEMANDED that the 300 bishops make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. Constantine COMMANDED them to create a creed doctrine that all of Christianity would follow&obey, a doctrine that would be called the Nicene Creed, upheld by the Church&enforced by the Emperor.
The New Testament taught that Jesus the Messiah should be worshiped and trusted, which was/is to say He is co-equally God and man. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus.
@PfanderFilms Dagon, Ashtoreth and Marduk have "Elohim" (plural) applied to them and they are single gods
How did the ancient Hebrew scholars translate "Elohim" in the Septuagint ?
As the singular "Theos". When they translated the word "gods" they used "Theois"
Why did the Jews, whose language the OT was written in, not see what you see in the word?
Quite simply the trinity is not implied with the use of "Elohim". Nor is the trinity implied in any word, verse or passage in the OT or NT.
TheCaledonianBoy 1 month ago
@PfanderFilms identifying God as a trinity by the use of the Hebrew "Elohim" (plural) is a non starter.
The famous trinitarian scholar, Robert Young, (Young's Analytical Concordance and Young's Literal Translation of the Bible)
"Heb. Elohim, a plural noun ... it seems to point out a superabundance of qualities in the Divine Being rather than a plurality of persons .... It is found almost invariably accompanied by a verb in the singular number.
Most scholars agree with Young
TheCaledonianBoy 1 month ago
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this is how you find the errors in the bible...
see the accounts of one person. mark luke john ect . .
then see the same accounts of someone else of the same account and youll find there would be many insetsy ini.. for example one person would say he said this.. anoyther would say compltry something else..
one person would say he said nothign when he was on the cross and die that way. another wouls say he said my father ect .. also go on my page and youll see many listed in the infos
rudeboywaz 2 months ago
Jesus: "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29) And this one LORD (Jehovah) is manifest as Father Son ITim 3:16, and Holy Ghost I Cor. 12:7. I John 5:7 "There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy ghost: and these three are one." He is the three who are one, not the three in one. The 3 in 1 is the fantasy of Plato, Aristotle, Numenius, Heraclitus etc.. adapted by Augustine and embraced by Hellish Mother Church. Lay off the speed man.
mwilson70201 3 months ago
I could not make it through the entire video. Too much rant, incoherence, and misinformation. I am all for dialogue but this was ill informed and all over the place. But thanks for the upload.
zetticat 5 months ago
Jesus was God in the flesh and he died for all of our sins, and the Holy spirit is the spirit of God that comes into peoples hearts. Just believe Jesus Christ as your savior from hell fire and confess your sins to God and you will recieve the Holy spirit of God and you shall be saved. Jesus loves you and that is why he died on the cross for us and why God sent him to do so. The final sin offering has been made and it was the blood of Jesus that will save you nothing else. God bless.
DavidTheDefender 6 months ago
I think of the trinity of God as a person is. A person is one singular person, but they have many members to their body they have hands, legs, and a head all are connected but all do different things such as walk, talk, and grab. You have one who controls all the others, God the father called Yhwh, is the primary, the other two are connected to him such as the members of a persons body. Jesus and the Holy spirit are just members of one being, but all are God because all are connected.
DavidTheDefender 6 months ago
st7yi
2222pauline 6 months ago
Harold Camping was RIGHT about May 21, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 6 months ago
"CONCEPT" = A general idea derived or inferred from specific instances or occurrences. or Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion. -- I can clearly see now where you get your ideas from !! But always keep in mind revelation 22:18-21 - If you add something or take something away then you alone have to be fully responsible to Almighty God, Personally i could never add something Man made "Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion" to Gods word ! its already complete!
bonnyjishop 6 months ago
God is not a Trinity...
MrApostolicdoctrine1 7 months ago
I feel 100% sure if Christ stood in front of you, touched your shoulder and said "i appreciate your zeal BUT there is NO SUCH TEACHING OF THE TRINITY" you'd argue with him too !.Mark 12 28-29 . 28 And one of the scribes came , and having heard them reasoning together , and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear , O Israel; The Lord our God is (one) Lord:(king James Version)
bonnyjishop 7 months ago
The Bible does not even have the word Trinity in it, less so teach it ! If you do find it in a modern bible it is usually a paraphrased Bible, Not good ! get yourself a good Hebrew and Greek Interlinear and you will see for yourself, or find a way of feeding and teaching scriptural truths and you may find the public might appreciate it ! Always remember Jesus said SATAN was the father of the LIE! so we need to be careful what we teach!
bonnyjishop 7 months ago
@bonnyjishop I use the KJ Bible. I also use Strong's Concordance with Hebrew + Greek Lexicon. Ur ILLOGICAL statement that the word "trinity" isn't in the Bible means nothing! Neither is the word "Bible" in the Bible! It's the concept of the triune God that is being described: ISAIAH 48:12-17 is just 1 of quite a few verses that show the triune God in 1 verse. The Old Testament has many more than the 1 i have used. The New Testament has Jesus Himself stating this very fact: JOHN 14:1-26...
The3in1trinity 6 months ago
@The3in1trinity
One thing that drives me nuts about you guys, if G-d tied His shoes that would be evidence of the trinity. The people who believe in the triune god(s) are pagans.
onemarktwoyou 5 months ago
Mate it's getting worse by the minute
gunay205 8 months ago
infinity is not bigger than infinity ! jesus said Father is greater than I , father is greater than ALL! Don't wast your time and protect a man made nonsense
MrCobra811 8 months ago
@MrCobra811 Jesus is God the Son. Jesus doesn't claim 2 b His Father!!! PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@The3in1trinity By logic and common sense , if something is greater than something else that means they are not equal !
MrCobra811 7 months ago
@MrCobra811 Then where are the ''WORDS'' Quran, Muslim, Islam'' anywhere in the HOLY Bible?Give me some WORDS.
GodsSeer 7 months ago
@MrCobra811 As PHILIPPIANS 2:5-11 shows Jesus is God the Son. He is from everlasting like His Father+God the Holy Spirit. His divine attributes of co-eternal+co-equal with the Father+the Holy Spirit r not negated because Jesus allows Himself 2 b subject 2 His Father. Jesus is the Visible image of God. Notice what Jesus says in: JOHN 15:24. In the Godhead the Father is supreme. This doesn't take away from Jesus being God. JOHN 10:30 shows Jesus is God. God doesn't use human logic or common sense!
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@The3in1trinity You are using a book to answer questions, a book can be corrupted, a book is a book! You have to use the common sense to find out what is right and wrong, that book which u are using has stuff in it which are so immoral and horrible, if you accept something from it then you have to accept all of it ! God doesn't use logic and common sense haha funny , he looks more stupid then humans ! Than what makes your religion any different from hindus , budhists , stone worshipers etc ?
MrCobra811 7 months ago
@MrCobra811 Unless God had given the 10 Commandments 2 Moses, then how would Moses + the ppl have known what God wanted without Him revealing it? HEBREWS 1:1-14. 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-17. When u say "common sense", WHO'S common sense r u referring 2? A psychopath might consider that they have common sense, likewise the thief, murderer, adulterer, liar etc. Ur theory doesn't work in practice when it concerns how God reveals Himself + how He has given us knowledge of Himself through His Word...
The3in1trinity 6 months ago
@MrCobra811 I DIDN'T say God didn't use logic. I MADE THE POINT THAT GOD DIDN'T USE HUMAN FALLIBLE LOGIC OR HUMAN COMMON SENSE!!! I have no problem with accepting ALL of God's Word. Because u r self-willed + ignorant u haven't the sense 2 actually do serious research as 2 the way of life of the ppl in the times of the Old Testament. U don't read Scripture 2 understand how ppl lived (an eye 4 an eye etc). U simply c something u don't understand + apply ur fallible human logic. WAKE UP MY FRIEND!
The3in1trinity 6 months ago
So in the translations we ignore the adjectives and verbs to indicate plurality?
Unless it refers to something that you can't imply it too?
Thus Genesis 1:1 can be mistranslated to Gods?
Thus the Gods created heaven(s) and the earth? The (s) is for which text is used, if someone who reads this doesn't know the difference between the sources and variations in the bibles. Also one can also assume that the Godhead can only refer to the Father and Son alone. if you don't believe in the trinity.
onemarktwoyou 10 months ago
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Luke-ch-12-vs-51
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
quranresponse 10 months ago
Did Jesus speak to any one person privately?
Mark-ch-4-vs-34
In deed, without an illustration he would not speak to them, but privately to his disciples he would explain all things.
quranresponse 11 months ago
John-ch-18-vs-20
Jesus answered him: “I have spoken to the world publicly. I always taught in a synagogue and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.
quranresponse 11 months ago
If god not a man why called himself son of man? And way never he said from his mouth I am son of god?
Over 70 times son of man.
quranresponse 11 months ago
@quranresponse Jesus has many titles. Both Son of Man + Son of God r but 2 of many. MATTHEW 4:6. MATTHEW 14:33. MATTHEW 8:29. MATTHEW 26:63-64. MATTHEW 27:54. MARK 3:11. LUKE 1:35. LUKE 4:41. LUKE 8:28. JOHN 1:49. JOHN 3:18. JOHN 5:25. JOHN 9:35-38. JOHN 10:36. JOHN 11:4. JOHN 11:27. JOHN 19:7. JOHN 20:31. 1 JOHN 3:8. 1 JOHN 4:15. 1 JOHN 5:5-12. REVELATION 2:18. Jesus says: "seek + u will find"!!!
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@The3in1trinity why christians the like to write numbers not word? because the word from the bible against them. we need words no numbers. thanks
quranresponse 7 months ago
@quranresponse In case u haven't understood, i have both typed words + given u the books of the Bible with chapters + verses so u can check what i have written. If u can't understand what i have just typed then u need 2 do something about ur lack of comprehension skills!!!
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@quranresponse I think u r lacking in either skills in typing English or u r not very intelligent? Obviously anyone reading ur comment can c that u r not a logical person. U makes ignorant claims + then when i give u the correct information u simply make a nonsensical comment. If u want 2 understand God's Inspired Word the Bible then u need 2 read it. 1 SAVIOUR WHO IS JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD + GOD IN THE FLESH!!!
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@quranresponse Read God's Word + get wisdom: NUMBERS 23:19. I doubt u will understand this Scripture...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
What the people called and make Jesus?
Matthew-ch-8-vs-29 (people speaking)
“What have to do with you son of god?
quranresponse 11 months ago
@quranresponse My friend, i c on ur youtube page that u live in the USA. Y in ur ability 2 write in English so bad? Can u not grasp that it was the devils inside these ppl who were speaking + not the ppl themselves. The devils also knew Jesus was the Son of God!!! Your typing + comprehension skills r very poor. I suggest u learn 2 get a better command of English b4 u post Scriptures that u can't understand...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
Matthew-ch-9-vs-6 (people speaking)
However, in order for you to know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sin.
Matthew-ch-13-vs-41 (people speaking)
The son of man will send forth his angels, and the will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness.
quranresponse 11 months ago
Matthew-ch-13-vs-55 (people speaking)
Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary?
Matthew-ch-13-vs-57 (Jesus speaking)
So they began to stumble at him. But Jesus said to them: “a prophet is not unhonored except in his home territory and his own house.
quranresponse 11 months ago
Matthew-ch-21-vs-11 (people speaking)
The crowds kept telling: “this is the prophet Jesus from Nazareth of Galilee.
Matthew-ch-21-vs-46 (author speaking)
But, although they were seeking to seize him, they feared the crowds, because these held him to be a prophet.
quranresponse 11 months ago
o u again and ur false god.. LOL
GetAnswersNow 11 months ago
The Watchtower: April 1st, 2009 pg. 18, 19.
Please read the article. from the Jehovah's Witnesses official website.
puchalaka 1 year ago
God tells a deliberate lie to the people who are watching. Obviously he doesn't want the people to know that he is really God, so he throws his voice to make it appear like someone in Heaven is speaking and saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." This is amazing!! No wonder they call it a mystery.
bonnyjishop 1 year ago
@bonnyjishop NUMBERS 23:19. Clearly u r lack understanding...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
The Trinity teachers say that the Holy Spirit is also God. So, now, get this! While John is standing there in the water, he sees God comedown and sit down on top of his own head. And, that's not all - he gets a good look at God. God is now either a bird sitting on top of what looks like a man (or is it the other way round?) Then, he discovers this God-Bird-Man is also a ventriloquist - while he stands there in utter disbelief,
bonnyjishop 1 year ago
@bonnyjishop It's u that is in disbelief. Do u actually think u r funny? Clearly u r a very sad person...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
The Trinity teachers claim that Jesus is God. This immediately makes John God's second cousin, and makes John 6 months older than God - and man was here on earth 4,000 years before God was born. This is ridiculous, but it gets even better. When you read Luke 3:21, 22, John had the unspeakable privilege of baptizing his Creator, who was also his second cousin. But the incredible thing is that John was 6 months old before his Creator was born.
bonnyjishop 1 year ago
@bonnyjishop 2TIMOTHY 3:7-9...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
trinity is amusing! The belief that the Trinity is a mystery, that the father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, is stated by Christendom to be a "mystery!" Could the following be a reason they label it a mystery? Luke 1:36 states that Mary and Elizabeth are cousins, and that John is 6 months older than Jesus, making John and Jesus second cousins. Luke 3:23 says Jesus was about 30 years old when he was baptized by John, and here is where the "mystery" begins.
bonnyjishop 1 year ago
Nonsense can never be explained. Circles cannot be explained as squares. First demonstrate this God then we'll all understand this Trinity you bullshit about.
bigboy45454545 1 year ago
@bigboy45454545 ROMANS 1:16-32...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@The3in1trinity Romans 1-16-32, really my friend? All so called holy books have similar words saying their God is the real God. Are those religions correct also? Do the Gods of other religions also exist? The truth is there's no evidence for any Gods. Gods live only in people's imaginations. You're brainwashed.
bigboy45454545 7 months ago
no such thing AS TRINITY
MojowidanAK 1 year ago
the word is not god. he was with god in the beginning and all things came into exsitance through him so in gen 1:1 that was showing us how the word was with god in the beginning when he said let us make man in our image. do u notice how they said "in our image" jesus was in gods image too so if you beleive jesus is god you also say man is also god. think about it. i do love your passion tho.
rynsinnott1 1 year ago
@rynsinnott1 Jesus had the divinity that men don't (according to Christians...) We were made in his image in that an INTELLIGENT life form was created... This is what Christians would say.
chrishanna236 1 year ago
@rynsinnott1 Learn 2 read properly my friend: JOHN 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God". It pays 2 look at what u r trying 2 mock so u don't make urself look stupid as u have done...
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
@rynsinnott1 Do u understand the word "our"? Doesn't seem that u do!!!
The3in1trinity 6 months ago
da word trinity mention in QUran.... In 4:171-172 Say not "Trinity": desist....
n Allah said
3:59 "The similitude of Jesus Before Allah is as that of Adam; He (Allah) created him (Jesus) from dust, Then said to him: Be. And he was."
BLACKMAFIA03 1 year ago
@BLACKMAFIA03 ISAIAH 9:6-7. ISAIAH 6:1(LUKE 4:18). ISAIAH 48:12-17 (The Holy One of Israel is a title of Jesus). JOHN 1:1. JOHN 1:1-34. JOHN 3:16-36. JOHN 12:27-50. JOHN 20:28-31. JOHN 14:1-26. JOHN 6:29-71. There is 1 Saviour given+He is Jesus Christ the Son of God who is God in the flesh. Time 2open ur eyes+ur heart 2Jesus the Saviour. God's Word DOESN'T SUPPORT the koran. U need 2read God's Word if u seek 2know God. Jesus makes it clear that u will die in ur sins if u don't heed His warning.
The3in1trinity 7 months ago
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"My Father is greater than I." John 14:28
"My Father is greater than all." John 10:29
I cast out devils by the Spirit of God" Mathew 12:28
I with the finger of God cast out devils." Luke 11:20 "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
,John 5:30
jesus never calimed divinity so how u ppl make him son of god. even da word trinity does not exist in bible...
BLACKMAFIA03 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before."
So.. as you can see, people who walked with Jesus, talked with him, learned from him said this is the way to baptize.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn This is what the Didache says:
"And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn This is talking about the creed; not the history of the passage of the baptismal scripture.
The Didache, as I have said before, is an instruction manual from people who walked with Jesus, learned from Jesus and the baptismal forumla found in there says we must baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn The words in parentheses from your Cardinal Ratzinger quote (the one you sent me) are not part of his actual text. They were added by various websites misrepresenting what he said. The "text" he's referring to in your quote is the text of the Creed, not the text of Matthew 28:19. And as you can see, he goes on to quote Matthew 28:19 a few verses later the same way Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Tertullian did.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn I have just showed you the actual text of Cardinal Ratzinger.
The texts I have used in this debate:
John 1:1; 18; 8:58; 17:5. Matthew 28:19; John 20:28-29. I believe I have sufficiently defended those against your false and blind claims.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "I refuted EVERY point from YOUR own book...
Jesus words are clear as day, but the corrupt doctrine of the Church blinds your eyes."
You did NOT refute anything whatsoever! You are just blind to accept what is obvious.. that is what is meant by Matthew 13:11-13.
You are so blind it makes me sick, actually it makes me feel sorry for you. Why don't you go on to debate SeptemberCatholic18? After all, when I was falling into the Islamic trap; he saved me and showed me truth
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn The words in parentheses from your Cardinal Ratzinger quote (the one you sent me) are not part of his actual text. They were added by various websites misrepresenting what he said. The "text" he's referring to in your quote is the text of the Creed, not the text of Matthew 28:19. And as you can see, he goes on to quote Matthew 28:19 a few verses later the same way Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Tertullian did.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text comes from the city of Rome; but its internal origin lies in worship; more precisely, in the conferring of baptism. This again was fundamentally based on the words of the risen Christ recorded in Matthew 28:19: 'Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.'"
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Now here's his actual quote from Cardinal Ratzinger:
"It may be useful to preface the discussion with a few facts about the origin and structure of the Creed; these will at the same time throw some light on the legitimacy of the procedure. The basic form of our profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Jesus' BODY RESURRECTED, NOT A SPIRIT.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Your previous response on that the Pope said that the baptism of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in Matthew originated from Rome..
Where exactly does it say that in the book? You twisted it so bad! You are unbelievable!
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Thomas, who cried out in disbelief and shock that he was not crucified."
...Actually, if you look at an earlier verse, Thomas said if "he does not see the nail marks, he will not believe."
He called Jesus his Lord and his God... JESUS AGREED. No ifs! No buts! Stop twisting scripture!
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn You are so bloody annoying and blind.. now I remember why I stopped debating with Muslims; they twist scripture to their own destruction! You scurry for an alternative to an obvious to-the-point verse.
Address Matthew 16:16-17, too. Even though you're going to twist the verse to something else.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "You falsely claim The Comforter is NOT Muhammad! But Holy Spirit was coming and going before Jesus!!"
I do not "falsely" claim that The Comforter is not Muhammad. The Holy Spirit was coming after to guide us into the truth that Jesus had not yet finished teaching. Muhammad was not a comforter; he was a murderer, enslaved people and raped.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Jesus was telling Thomas to stop doubting what the disciples said to him about Jesus being alive, so Jesus came and told him to stop and then Thomas believed when Jesus came and said "My Lord and my God!" Jesus agreed to Thomas saying he is God.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Astonished Thomas, standing corrected and amazed says in shock: {20:28} Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
In exclamation. It's like my telling you: "My God, Z1GGYK3V, you misquote Jesus""
Oh my god.. that is such a twist and exaggeration to your blind religion.
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Jesus says again to his unfit and incapable disciples
{16:12} I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now"
What Jesus was saying in that passage is that the Spirit of Truth will come to guide us into truth; the Holy Spirit came and guided us to realize the Trinity and other doctrines.
This passage cannot be referring to Muhammad, because, according to you, Spirits have no flesh or bones.
Reply to the previous verses I gave to you.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "It keeps getting worse and worse for you."
I know you're blind and corrupted but I'm the one making sense and winning this debate; you are not, you are making a fool of yourself.
The Didache.. an instruction manual by people who lived with Christ and walked with him says that baptism is "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
So your argument is weak, again.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn
John 20:28-29
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Jesus accepted when Thomas called him God, no ifs, no buts, Jesus agreed. This was when Jesus resurrected, too!
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Matthew 16:16-17
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."
See? Your KORAN is not the Father; your KORAN was written by flesh and blood.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Jesus says to you in reply:
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing"
I just used that passage against you. YOU don't understand the passages, you listen to your imam's and your koran.
It is you not understanding because you cannot see behind what he is saying! You are blind.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Here you go:
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Jesus says all these three names to use as one baptism; not three baptisms. He calls them all on the same level.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Also, what I don't understand is why did you run away from my two scriptures I gave you, John 1:1; 18? You just jump on to other scriptures that you think you can defend; but you can't, that's your problem.
Muslim arguments are extremely weak.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn You are so blind and corrupted, you make me sick.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "I asked you REPEATEDLY where does Jesus say God is a TRIUNE God. Where is the trinity EXPLICITLY stated by word."
You never asked me that; stop lying, again. Jesus taught things indirectly. (Matthew 13:11-13)
Jesus taught us that he is God, you don't believe it because your pagan moon god and your violent arab "prophet" say he isn't.
Answer my question, too! You are running away from John 17:5 Jesus said he existed before the world began and shared glory with the Father
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Hear O Israel, our Lord is ONE Lord, and you say, no God is 3..."
I've already told you to look at my video titled "Trinity: Echad vs Yachid" in response to Deut 6:4.
The Hebrew word 'echad' means 'one', but the Hebrew word 'echad' for one is used mostly to describe a unity. Look at my video for a better explanation.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "John 8:58: Does Jesus say: "Before Abraham," I was with God, I am with God, I am God, I am your Lord, no..."
No.... it says, "Before Abraham, I AM" Meaning he existed before.
"You, I, 6 billion people, and everyone else were with God's knowledge of past, present, and future"
What about John 17:5?
That is a huge exaggeration and twist to the scripture. You scurry to find an alternative to scripture.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Neither of us are lying, you are not understanding the two natures of Jesus. Jesus on Earth is a human, he is God who emptied himself and became servant. (Phil 2:6-8) Jesus came down from heaven, he pre-existed. (John 8:58; 17:5) Which means Jesus WAS Spirit, but he came down from heaven and became flesh and bones. We all have a Spirit, the Spirit itself does not have flesh and bones. But the Spirit is inside everyone who has flesh and bones.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Genesis 5:4 {5:4} And the days of Adam after he had BEGOTTEN Seth... Perhaps, Adam was conceiving spiritually"
You can be begotten spiritually and physically, you are so stupid.
""spiritual begotten"? Where does it say this in the Bible?"
God has a Son and it says so in the OT. (Proverbs 30:4) Jesus on many occasions says he is the Son of God.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "50,000 Errors/Contradictions, same garbage. At least this number is NOT reported by Osama Bin Laden But by Christians ..."
JW is a "Christian" cult, they try to disprove every other version other than theres.
"God is a "spirit" or a non-physical entity."
God said he would come to Earth. (Isaiah 40:3) God the Father is a spirit. God the Son is spiritually begotten and he came to Earth, that's when God came.
"Son of Man" is a Messianic title, nothing to do with that.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
Pure Paganism to even think that God has a Mother
TheLieDectector 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn
"Holy Spirit has been contradicting itself 50,000 times in your Bible according to the Bible scholars."
Again, your information is correct, the "50,000 errors in the Bible" is an old JW argument, not from Biblical scholars.
Elaborate on John 3:6, I don't understand what you're asking.
Mary was flesh, she was the Ark of the New Covenant, Mother of God. (Revelation 12)
"Your Jehova/God circumsised?"
Yes, Jesus was circumcised, he was born under the law (Galatians 4:4)
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn I believe that Romans is inspired, just like I believe that all the NT/OT writings are inspired and just like you believe your Koran is inspired.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Even Paul's name was not Paul, it was Sha'ul ... Paul contradicted Jesus on MANY occasions.
Rom.4 [25] vs Matt.6 [14]"
That is hilarious and the most crap argument I have ever seen in my entire life! Matt 6:14 has a totally different meaning than Rom 4:25.
Jesus is talking in a future tense. Jesus died for us, Jesus said he was going to be crucified.
Jesus vs. Islam.. I guess? I'll go with Jesus, thank you!
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn You do not know the Bible better than me in my own language; you're claiming that, that is not true. I don't want to read the Qur'an because it was (supposedly) from an angel that in the past before Muhammad said Jesus was the Son of God (Luke 1:32) now 600 years later, come back to contradict himself. It's obviously not the same spiritual being, something wouldn't happen to later contradict itself. We must conclude it is not the same spiritual being.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn In Phillipians 2:6-8 we see that Jesus was God, but he made himself nothing by "emptying himself" and taking the roll of a servant by becoming *obedient* until death on a cross.
So Jesus had two, distinct natures in himself. Divine and human. Christians, let me speak for Catholics, that we believe Jesus is the pre-existent Son of the Father (Proverbs 30:4) who became flesh and was the Son of God, the Messiah.. but because he was begotten of God ("of God") he is God!
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn
"If Jesus says, I can of my own self do NOTHING ... yet acknowledges that with God ALL things are possible.
Clearly, Jesus is NOT God"
Jesus is speaking from his human nature, since he has two natures. Human and divine.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn I honestly don't care what the Korran says, it has no value to me. If you are of the SAME NATURE AS GOD, YOU ARE DIVINE, MEANING YOU ARE GOD. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS? I JUST REALIZED WHAT ALL THE ISLAMOPHOBES MEANT BY MUSLIMS BEING UNEDUCATED.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Jesus also pre-existed, what does that mean? It means he was not created like Muslims so arrogantly say. He is co-equal with the Father.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn When a Muslim loses a debate and he knows inside that he lost, the debate ends with him inside thinking or he says it, which is: "Fact is, Jesus never said I am God, worship me." WE KNOW THAT! YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT IF SOMEONE CAME UP TO YOU AND SAID THEY WERE GOD.
I have sufficiently defended John 1:1; 14 which proves Jesus is God. Now you've ignored it and jumped on to John 1:18 where I know and anyone else would know you are losing and that it shows Jesus is God.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn ""Begotten God" sounds as pagan as the Greek gods"
So according to you the Holy Spirit is a liar? I believe in the Holy Spirit and that HE inspired the Bible, the Holy Spirit called Jesus God in the inspired text so many times! I'll believe the Holy Spirit over you.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Listen. If you are "of God" you are of the same divine nature as God, if you are "of God (i.e. "of the divine nature) you are God! Since there is only one God, Jesus and the Father are one.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "It keeps getting worse for the Christian. Doesn't the God that BEGETS is GREATER and WISER than the BEGOTTEN God?"
Why are you trying to act like you are winning this debate? You are getting completely thrashed. You have to understand, the Codex Sinaiticus calls Jesus God! Why are you so ignorant? Debating with Muslims is so annoying.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
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@FreedomFighterReturn
"Sounds like Moses: Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is ONE LORD:"
The Deut 6:4 argument is actually in favour to the Trinity, look at my video titled "Trinity: Echad vs Yachid"
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."
No one has ever seen God the Faher
But God the one and Only, who is at the Father's side.. who is at the Father's side? The Son!
has made him known.. God the One and Only (not referring to The Father obviously) has made him known, and is at the Father's side (the Son)
This passage in Greek and the NIV is calling Jesus God! Are you so corrupted and blind?!
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn
"You will NOT find a SINGLE statement by Jesus Christ saying "I am YOUR God, worship me.""
So? That doesn't help your argument because if someone came up to you and said they were God, would you believe them? No. Why would it be different for Jesus?
"No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known"
In the Greek manuscript it calls Jesus an only begotten God.. even the passage in NIV supports the Trinity.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn I wasn't bringing up 1 John 5:7, I just said it's an added verse.
Address John 1:18, why are you not arguing it! John 1:18 says Jesus is God. Your argument or are you looking at it open mindedly and not being ignorant?
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn The KJV is an unreliable bible version, basically because it still includes 1 John 5:7. Anyway, I read the Greek in Codex Sinaiticus the oldest Bibe in the world and it has the word "God" appearing twice and no "Son" it calls Jesus an only begotten God.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Jesus is the unique Son of God (John 3:16) Read the first chapter of Hebrews also.
Address John 1:18, stop ignoring it.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Address my reply to John 1:18 about the Greek.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Neither in Hebrew nor in Greek nor in Arabic there is a such thing called UPPER and LOWER case."
Then your argument here to make a distinction between "LORD" and "Lord" does not make sense.
And which also means that "God" is "god" which makes it even the same with Jesus, "son of god".
The Isaiah 40:3 - Matthew 3:3 completely makes sense, you are looking at the passage objectively!
You have to admit in Isaiah 40:3 it says God will come to Earth. I wonder who it was? :o
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn
Isaiah 40:3
A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD ; make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Mark 1:3
“a voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’”
John the Baptist is the 'voice of one calling'.
Matthew 3:3
This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’”
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn I have given you two scriptures, John 1:1; 18, which I believe I have sufficiently defended, but you won't admit it, obviously.
Please, look at this next prophecy with an open heart, don't look at the passage objectively, look at it like you want to find truth. Please?
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father"
Let's look at the Greek for John 1:18:
θν · ουδειϲ εωρα
κεν πωποτε μο
νογενηϲ θϲ ειϲ το
κολπον του πα
τροϲ εκεινοϲ εξη
"θν" is shorthand for "θεον", and "θϲ" is shorthand for "θεος" (a different declension of the same word).
This manuscript clearly has the word "God" appearing twice: once in line one, and again in the third line and no "son" at all.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "Your Master, Savior, and "Lord" Jesus Christ never uttered it, never preached it, and never spoke it"
The Gospel of John was written by John the Baptist; a prophet of God.
"Yeah, wine is blood, bread is flesh, and 1 is 3 !!!!"
You look at the passages we give you objectively; you've already been indoctrinated to believe that it's not true. So you won't believe it because it's already corrupted within your heart.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "I would NOT use John 1:1 if I were u"
Why not? Why does it have to be said by Jesus Christ? John the Baptist was a prophet of God before Jesus came. I think God told him what's true.
I'm going off now, I'll come back tomorrow to discuss.
John 1:18 while I'm gone.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn ""Mat28:19 has gone under SERIES of alterations""
That is such a poor argument.
John 1:1; John 1:18 say Jesus is God flat-out anyway.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn That is your interpretation of John 10:30. It can be viewed as one in being, or one in purpose. The explanation of John 10:29 can be used to back up the Trinity by viewing it as a one in essence.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn "that you, I, Abraham, Jesus, ALL of God's creation exist in God's knowledge before we are born, before we 'become.' We are ETERNAL in God's knowledge."
That's the biggest exaggeration and twist of any verse I have ever seen or imaginable. Jesus claimed to pre-exist.
Look at this verse: John 17:5.. Jesus did pre-exist and shared glory with the Father.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn So why does Jesus claim to be God? John 8:58 which is a reference to Exodus 3:14. The Jews knew that was his claim. That is why they picked up stones to stone him. Why does the Spirit remain with Jesus John 1:33? Why does Jesus say I and the father are ONE John 10:30. He is the EXACT representation of his being Hebrews 1:3 and it is Jesus that sustains all things.
The scripture is full of trinitarian language - Read John 14. Read the bible rather than critique it.
KincumberBoy 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn Yeah now that makes sense. Especially as Jesus himself was baptised and the 3 synoptic gospels all give account of that and John the "Baptist" bares witness of Jesus. Don't read the scholar, read the bible
KincumberBoy 1 year ago
@KincumberBoy Not that Scholars are wrong normally but if they outwardly go against the account of scripture then there is a lie.
KincumberBoy 1 year ago
@FreedomFighterReturn What a crock. Scholars do not change things to suit theologies or doctrines. The bible was written by God's prophets and apostles who speak of actual historical situations rather than by one man who speaks from no one but his own authority...which can't be verified by any other.
KincumberBoy 1 year ago
you need to explain god?10.33 seconds to explain god!!!
god is 1 ,it that simple , a retart could understand that
a scientist cant understand the trinity
izlamiztruth 1 year ago
@izlamiztruth The Trinity is a false concept man created. Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: (Notice how it says God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?) That is one of the very many verses that teaches the opposite of the trinity. There are no verses that hint a trinity. Some verses are taken out of context and ppl try to use those but it doesn't work.
majinish 1 year ago
Anyone with a hint of common sense can see that the trinity is false. One God Jehovah or however you perfer to pronounce the name and his son Jesus. HolySpirit belongs to Jehovah its his spirit, not another god.
SkinnyAndShort 1 year ago
You challenged to show in Quran the word defining Allah is 'One'. You can ask a 10 yr old Muslim person who started to learn Quran, he/she will show you it is there in Chapter 112 Verse 1 and he/she will explain you more clearly than you are trying to explain that 3 = 1. And 99 names are for a single God, not 99 Gods.
redheart001 1 year ago
A simple question,
Can anyone show me which Prophet EVER spoke about a trinity?
TheLieDectector 1 year ago
@TheLieDectector
All the Prophets( from Moses onwards are Jewish and not Arab) revealed God's unfolding revelation and in that they bear witness to the Trinity, even though this name is not so expressed- they demonstrate the Spirit, the Son and the Father who is YHWH.
But pray tell us if we are to proceed what is the definition of the Trinity? since you go by that name you should know a matter before you can expose it as a lie- what then do you understand by the word Trinity??
christ4all2allmyall 1 year ago
@christ4all2allmyall
My question is simple here it is again 'Can anyone show me which Prophet EVER spoke about a trinity'?
You can't do it no matter how hard you try & your assertion that 'they bear witness to the Trinity' is false because if there was such a beleif amongst the Prophets they would have said it, that is why no Jew ever believed in a trinity. You are trying to put a spin on their words to justify your position & it ain't working.
TheLieDectector 1 year ago
@christ4all2allmyall
As for defining a trinity the definition is very clear it means 3 persons in 1.
But according to the Bible God came in more than 3 forms, so how do you end up with only 3?
According to the Bible he came as a Dove , a burnig bush & you also believe that God dwells in you & 6.2 billion other Human forms (& rising) so much for a trinity.
TheLieDectector 1 year ago
@TheLieDectector
No guess again fool: The trinity you have not defined precise enough and yet you claim it is very clear- IF IT IS CLEAR THEN WHY HAVEN'T YOU DEFINED IT WELL??
YOU ISLAMIC FOOL- YOUR silly allah came as a bush; a hand & a shin; he even comes as a man in Islam!
christ4all2allmyall 1 year ago
@christ4all2allmyall
May the Almighty guide us all to the truth.
TheLieDectector 1 year ago
@TheLieDectector
Yes our ~God has given us of his Spirit and he leads unto Truth; that is why we spot those religionists who act like they know spiritual things but really they don't know much- the prophets spoke much about many things- some clear, some mystic, some prophetic, but the full revelation was given in Christ- for the Triune God can be seen in the words of the Prophets, and is made clearer by Christ's Apostles. If you humble yourselfs you will see it- by God's grace- but u r proud?
christ4all2allmyall 1 year ago
@christ4all2allmyall
If you believe in the trinity then you are a follower of Saul of Tarsus ( a Roman bounty hunter).
If you believe in monotheism then you are a follower of all the prophets.
The choice is clear for those with a sincere Heart
TheLieDectector 1 year ago
@christ4all2allmyall Wrong. The prophets didn't go by the trinity concept either. They are one being, not one God. The Bible is very clear they are NOT one God. God is the Father of Jesus Christ; if they're one God how can God be His own Father? Trinity concept is not biblical and never implied.
majinish 1 year ago
As per Quran, TRINITY 3inone is the biggest balsphemy
PurgingFalsehood 1 year ago 7
@PurgingFalsehood 1 JOHN 5:9-12
The3in1trinity 1 year ago
@PurgingFalsehood The Qur'an has no value to the eyes of 4.5 billion people worldwide. The Qur'an to those 4.5 billion people is complete lies. The Trinity is true; it is in the Bible! You've just been indoctrinated to believe that the Trinity is false, thus you will not believe in it unless you search for it open mindedly. You look at the passage Christians use objectively and already believing that the Bible is corrupted and the Trinity is false in your hearts.
God Bless.
Z1GGYK3V 1 year ago
When you say God (ELOHIM (plural)) in Christianity it is always FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT. Matthew 28:18 Jesus said, All power in heaven has been given to me. John 12:49 Jesus said My Father who sent me give me a command what to say and how to say it. Did Jesus said I am God worship me? If you want a verse that Jesus said I am God it is in Isaiah 43:3; Isaiah 44:6 which is parallel to Revelation 1:17,18.
gooldie888 1 year ago
Does the Father know things Jesus doesnt? If they combine to be One God, then they should share knowledge correct?
loonietoonie0123 1 year ago
. Oh by the way Muslims, Muhammad IS Allah. Muhammad committed BLASPHEMY. Not christ or Christians. Among the many verses proving this, refer to sura 33:56. & READ IT IN ARABIC!!! The typical deceitful Muslim Translators Purposely Manipulated the Translation.
lesterdiamond5 1 year ago
@lesterdiamond5
sura 33: 56 ARABIC: "Inalazeena yu'zoonallaha wa rasoolahu la'anahumullaho fidunnya walakhirati wa'a adalahum azabamoheena" ENGLISH: "Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.
What are you on about???? Muhammad is NOT Allah. This is just your stupid attempt to create mischief and lies about Islam as you have no other meaningful arguments!!!
trueguynolies 1 year ago
@trueguynolies Put this heretic in his place brother. This guy is off the chart lost. His brain cant function. Everyone knows that God didnt commit suicide as a man for men. The sins still exist. Why do they celebrate Christmas when Jesus is not born in December 25th? They are pagans, not a true monotheistic practitioners.Anyone believe that Jesus is God is not a TRUE follower of Jesus.
HANGER187 1 year ago
always speak about trinity but doesnt stop to meet the truth about the real circumces about the knows about the trinity was do in the bible, the second holy book was related for the christians in actualy but this is not the real message was sending, so is wrong afirme because in this time he has a muslim but the chritianity manipulated and change many interesting thing for give power to control the word of god
fatima711989 1 year ago
Jay you tried your best...lol
I kinda feel for Christians when they try to explain the unexplainable!!! English language uses plural of numbers only and do not really understand plural of respect as with Arabic and judaism! So when your saying elohim this is plural of respect and NOT numbers! Also, in the Quran it is very clear that Allah is ONE! Read sura 112 for the perfect definition of God! Create something better than this verse if you can as God challenges you 2 do so but you can't!
trueguynolies 1 year ago
@trueguynolies Time manifests itself in the past, present, & future but there is only ONE time. Another analogy. According to muslims, torah, injeel, qur'an have same 1 message. So message is manifested through the torah, gospel, & qur'an YET it is still ONE MESSAGE, ONE GOD, ONE RELIGION. 3 different functions but One god. Holy ghost nor Father are meant to die for sins, but the Son is.
lesterdiamond5 1 year ago
@lesterdiamond5
3 God's as 3 DISTINCT PERSONALITIES!!!!! 3 DIFFERENT roles, 3 DIFFERENT beings = 3 Gods! There's no getting away with it!!! Your only fooling yourselves!
trueguynolies 1 year ago
Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
Now i believe the options to dismiss a biblical passage are:
1) context
2) Translation
3) Interpretation
4) ad hom attack on author - Paul?
Plz help me - i'm becoming christian but i'm tired of ppl using the water analogy - it is heresy. it isn't trinity it is MODALITY *sigh* oh and even my study bible dismisses the "Royal we" of the OT...
dd2189 1 year ago
@dd2189 Our stony insensitivity to the eloquence is commensurate with our ignorance of the style & metaphor of the ancient languages in which it was revealed.There are many expressions in the beautiful English of Shakespeare, for example, that have either become meaningless or taken on a different meaning.The word fond was used by Shakespeare to mean foolish:"For I, too fond, might have prevented this." What does FOND mean in modern times? Bible is of this example.This is y we r so lost.
HANGER187 1 year ago
This is why the idea of Son of God is misconstrued.This is why most of Jesus true preachings is misconstrued. Son is "pias" meaning that the metaphor of Son of God means servant and/or son. God doesnt author confusion.Jesus said himself that no one has ever heard Gods voice and seen him.If Jesus were a fragment of God, you would of seen and heard God through Jesus. Contradicting!Jesus said God has never walked on Earth for He is in Heaven.Jesus walked on Earth.Contradicting.Jesus is a servant.
HANGER187 1 year ago
The metaphor of classification to being a child of God was widely used to other prophets, such as Moses, Abraham and the rest of the 124,000 messengers of God.Why not idol worship them as well?Jesus had brothers, Simon, Joseph&Jude.Their letters are not in the bible!No bread or wine for symbol of Jesus blood and body was taught in prayer.Traditional Christian women back in those times were not allowed to even talk, just like Muslim women modern times during prayer.I would do LOTS of research.
HANGER187 1 year ago
...ok, so i've been to the happy clappy church thing...the "i'm so in love with you Jesus" thing...then i read the bible. I challenge anyone who has read the whole bible, OT and NT to believe God likes happy clappy. This view that the father/son love is the platonian perfect love which is mirrored in the Father's/Jesus' love for us smacks of "jesus is my best friend"...is that really why we need the trinity??
dd2189 1 year ago
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2009abuabdullah 1 year ago
ok, find me a the word "trinity " in the bible,if you believe God made it up then, and you believe the bible is the exact word of God.
thinker6236 1 year ago
My first post was above abod7im, so read bottom to top so there will be no confusion in my response.
HANGER187 1 year ago
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The Bible does not have scientific miracles to support what is barely discovered in 20th century. 7th century could not of known all this. This supports that Quran is the WORD OF GOD not word of man. Trinity is word of man. Bible is not an original form, Quran is. Quran is the ONLY exceptional divine invocation which leaves a lasting impression on man.
HANGER187 1 year ago
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According to the calculations of experts on astronomy,the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hr in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex.This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day.Along with the Sun,all planets&satellites within gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance."By the sky full of paths and orbits"(Quran,21:7)This proves to be word of GOD due to modern discoveries of today.
HANGER187 1 year ago
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More scientific miracles in Quran. There are scientific miracles of the Quran where 20th century barely approved with modern technology. ex: "It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, they swim along, each in an orbit."(Qur'an,21:33)"And the sun runs to its resting place, That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing."(Qur'an,36:38) These facts communicated in Quran have been discovered through our age.
HANGER187 1 year ago
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You remind me so much of my Uncle Bob, preaching Bible with a beer in his hand.You even look like him.Nevermind that,the correlation of geological fact of the word sea appears 32 times.The word land appears 13 times in Quran.Add them up and you get 45.Now 32 out of 45 equals 71.1% which represents the area of sea.13 out of 45 is 28.8%,area of land.Modern science recently proved water covers 71.11% of Earth while land covers 28.89%.These are facts on top of facts when you read the Quran
HANGER187 1 year ago
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Christians, Let me ask you this, Moses tormented those by the WILL of GOD for they idolized golden statues of bulls and so forth,right? God punished them, why would God contradict His hate towards idol worship and be a man to have us worship a figure on the cross? He would not be a hypocrite to his own teachings. Why call for one last prophet after His manifestation as man and still demand Divine Reality? Just doesn't make sense. Research History and Etymology, you will find truth.
HANGER187 1 year ago
It is typical for man to think of his value in existence to be a God figure at some point in time. "I will create a vicegerent on Earth."Jesus did not die for Adam&Eve's sin nor would he punish himself in 3 days in Hell before resurrection.God is the all knowing&expected Adam&Eve to fail to establish intelligent life that understand the need for HIM&to admin Earth.Adam&Eve were forgiven by not being charged for it on Judgment Day.Jesus was not sent for sacrifice for what is already forgiven.
HANGER187 1 year ago
God, Jesus nor other Prophets ever preached the Trinity, the concept came from Flavius Constantine in a time after the supposed death of Christ@325AD.Once the Nicea Council meeting was underway Constantine DEMANDED that the 300 bishops make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. Constantine COMMANDED them to create a creed doctrine that all of Christianity would follow&obey, a doctrine that would be called the Nicene Creed, upheld by the Church&enforced by the Emperor.
HANGER187 1 year ago
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The New Testament taught that Jesus the Messiah should be worshiped and trusted, which was/is to say He is co-equally God and man. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus.
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