why are people commenting about CoF on a DB video? especially trolling on the band when there is no way in hell they could ever pull off any part of any song CoF has ever done.
See this song, is a true example of Symphonic Black Metal. NOT THAT SHITTY CRADLE OF FILTH. That band is horrible. Dimmu Borgir= Greatness.... Cradle of Filth=as the title suggests, filth.
I have great affection for Norway because of a Norwegian girl I know. I was shocked to learn that black metal songs have even made it to the Pop Charts of Norway. So apart from sharing the Gospel, my purpose is also to do what I little I can to recall Northern Europe to its Christian roots. Jesus of Nazareth is the Saviour of the world, and men of all cultures are invited to embrace the Gospel. Do you know that some Norwegian metal bands are Christian?
@BenjiAJ Black Metal is Norwegian in its origin. Most black metal band out there come from this country, such as Dimmu Borgir, even though the name is Islandic, or rather, the language we spoke before Christianity.
Our roots is not Christian; our legacy is Åsatru. The same goes for our culture, it is not Christian in origin but old Germanic. Black metal was part of my teen years and still is, for theists it can easily be seen as "evil". That is the rebelious point of it.
@GnosticAtheist Thanks for confirming that black metal is basically Norwegian in origin, and that most black metal bands originate in Norway. This underscores why there is a need for a Christian response to be issued to what they produce, if we are remind Norway of the Christian roots of Norwegian culture. I agree that paganism predated Christianity in Europe; but my point is that Christianity sought to eliminate the immoral and destructive elements in pagan culture.
@BenjiAJ Well, I would not wich to live in world without equlibrium between hate and love. For every psalm and Justin Bieber, there must be an Emperor and Dimmu Borgir. It is only the law of the universe. ;)
@GnosticAtheist Yes but there are Norwegian metal bands who are Christians. Clearly therefore they are reacting to the pagan and anti-Christian forces in their own culture. These bands (as far as I understand) reject what Dimmu Borgir stands for; and they promote the Christian faith (even if they do so in a way that doesn't particularly appeal to me).
@BenjiAJ Never heard of Chrsitian Black metal bands, metal, but not black metal. Black metal is rebelion against all religion of men and the embrace of human nature, what religion (particularly Islam and Christianity) call "the beast" or "daimon" (koine greek for "inner being").
@GnosticAtheist The idea of a Chrsitian black metal band seems very strange, since the intent of the style is near opposite of modern religion; to "free your inner beast" or rather "to rebel against false morality". A good example of this would be kovenant - Jyhad :
@GnosticAtheist With this in mind, I cannot fully understand how a Christian black metal band could exist. The music style in itself is agressive and plays on such. Do you have any examples of such a band? Remember, metal and black metal is different not just in its delievery but the entire musical composition.
@GnosticAtheist There are Christian black metal bands. I believe there are recordings of their songs, and videos of interviews and performances they have given, on Youtube.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. You raise many questions to which sophisticated Christian answers are available. God is omnipotent but a good case can be made for supposing that even he cannot create the good of there being free creatures without some of these creatures choosing to do evil. Several Christian thinkers have argued that it is logically impossible for God to create a free, rational agent who is determined by God to choose to do only what is good.
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@TheNOSTALGICDECAY Why so sir, anyways being satanic is not worse than being christian(or any other). It's the same shit, religion is the root to all evil. =)
The only salient remaining question is whether these intuitions are objective or not. My point was that on atheism they are not objective and so a godless universe cannot ground the notion that rape, murder and the like are truly evil. As for the evidence for this, I don't think we have to have evidence in order to be justified in believing that our moral intuitions are valid. That said, evidence for the existence of God is evidence that our moral intuitions are a reflection of his moral will.
To be honest, I don't really care to debate you. It's not that I'm unsure of my position that there probably isn't a god; it's that I know I won't change your mind and you won't change mine, and I don't really give a small fraction of a shit if you want to be retarded and believe in your sky daddy who evidently doesn't care enough about his own creations to intervene on behalf of the billions of impoverished people in the world. Instead, he allows them to live and die in squalor.
By contrast, our moral basic moral intutions are widely shared amongst cultures and form the basis of successful, flourishing human societies in which the rule of law prevails. That is why moral reasoning is possible, for intuitions such as the thought that the innocent are not to be harmed, and that we ought to try as far as possible to treat everyone else in the same way that we would like for ourselves to be treated, are so widespread amongst human beings. Cont'd
@BenjiAJ Oh, and one last thing. This band also sings about your YOUR religion. Just the other side of it. They are result of your imaginary god and devil. A lie that is as old as humanity itself.
If someone were to claim that he believes an invisible dragon is living on his roof, he would have to be asked why he thinks it exists when he can't see it or otherwise detect it by means of his senses. If he says that he can see it or otherwise detect it by means of his senses, he needs to say why he doesn't think he is hallucinating when the same ostensibly corporeal object can't be similarly detected by anyone else. cont'd
One of the best songs ever made, hands down. Doesn't matter what your religious, moral, or social views are. If you take the lyrics in a song literally, you're an idiot anyway.
Finally, atheism can't even account for objective morality; and so on atheism, there can be no ultimate argument against the evils that many of us would consider abhorrent and would like deeply to eliminate. Indeed on atheism, objective morality doesn't exist. To conclude, Dimmu Borgir and their followers haven't even begun to engage with a serious presentation of the Christian faith. If they tried to get into a real debate, instead of dressing up in Halloween costumes, they would be mauled.
@BenjiAJ Who are Christians to actually assert objective morality to begin with? The way you word it is like saying "And Christians can't even account for the invisible dragon that lives on my roof", but someone saying that would first have to present evidence that there was, in fact, a dragon living on their roof.
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES When I said atheism couldn't account for objective morality, I meant only to assert that if our moral judgments have any objectivity at all, then atheism can't account for this fact. I left out the conditional clause for the sake of brevity, supposing that I would not be misunderstood. That said, it is misleadingly inept to draw a comparison between an invisible dragon conceived of by someone as living on his roof, and our moral intuitions. cont'd
It's also spectacularly pathetic that Shagrath has to pilfer his name from Tolkien's works. Tolkien was a devout Christian, a Catholic, and he conceived of Middle-Earth as a fictional realm in which the real God was in fact sovereign. Tolkien in one of his letters stated that his work was about God's sovereignty and his absolute right to worship. Dimmu has directly opposed the Christian faith; and we Christians note this, and register our deep anger and displeasure.
@Juggafags So what you are saying is, that you got no idea what you actually stand for? I have not read the bible myself but, the way Christianity want you to live is basic knowledge... Re-think about what you really believe in because that reply was saddening.
@Juggafags That makes even less sense. Why the hell would you talk trash about atheists then? Do you really think you are better than them? ... Scum like you are the reason for religious ignorance. So do everyone a favor and go play in the traffic or find some hole to die in, you are a waste of air.
@SerraxGaming Because atheists are fucking idiots honestly, tell me then what happened before your gay ass big bang theory? How did the big bang theory make the human body so perfect and the world just right for us to live in?
@Juggafags Bwahaha, you think I believe in evolution now :p And enlighten me, where have I ever said anything about ME? You are just digging your own grave in this conversation, so do yourself a favor and stop. You are a arrogant bastard with lack of knowledge on the subject. And I am not trying to just take a piss on you, but people like you, need to just shut the fuck up with your opinions about other people's way of life.
@Juggafags Moreover, even a theory of multiple universes cannot account for why the regularities obtaining across the spectrum of universes are such as to make it probable that at least one member of the spectrum should have constants and initial conditions that are fined tuned for life. And even if these regularities observed by each of the set's members could be codified in mathematical equations, what is left unexplained would be why these equations are descriptive of reality.
@Juggafags To put it another way, why should those equations be descriptive of reality and not other equations that would fail to describe a multiverse (one of many possible such multiverses) that permits life? A metaphysical theory (apart from having a high prior probability) has to make significantly probable the most general features of reality relative to a conjunction of its simplest rivals, in order for the said theory to be likely to be true and atheism fails to do this patently.
@Juggafags Yes, right. The standard model doesn't speculate on what caused the universe; in fact, in that model the laws of physics are held to break down at the point of the initial cosmological singularity. That said, no theory of physics can account for the fine-tuning of the constants of nature and the initial conditions for life; and certainly no materialistic theory extrapolating from the regularities described in current physical theory could account for the emergence of consciousness.
nobody needs to shut the fuck up about anything, everyone's free to post their own thoughts and opinions, thats what the comments section is here for. if you don't like it then don't read it.
@benjiAJ whether or not I believe or disbelieve in your views are now secondary. I reserve my right to believe what I will. My objection now is that you are attacking a band (artist), and their fans about their freedom of choice in what they believe. If you don't like the message that the band is putting across, quite simply fuck off!
@juscred1 No, I'm not attacking their freedom of choice for believing in what they do, but that doesn't mean that I think (or ought to think) that they are right in exercising their freedom of choice in the way that they have chosen to exercise it. I am also pointing out what I believe (by virtue of an exercise of my own freedom of choice) about what is going to be entailed for them as the result of their exercise of their freedom of choice.
@juscred1 And it isn't just a question about what they believe privately because they have obviously chosen to express their beliefs in a way that serves to commend their beliefs to a large number people. Moreover, the particular mode of expression of these beliefs in the nature of the case involves mockery and denunciation of Christian beliefs, and of what Christians hold sacred. Hence we note the opposition, and respond accordingly.
@BenjiAJ Hate to burst your bubble mate but your very religion expressed their beliefs to a large number of people throughout history. Quite violently if I might add. It still does to this very day. Opposing someone for widely expressing their beliefs while your religion has done the same on numerous occasions, and still doing, is being a hypocrite.
@TngMutantNinjaTroll Accepting that Dimmu ought to be given the right to express their beliefs (say, on the ground that it would be wrong not to assign to them some measure of freedom of expression), wouldn't mean accepting that the expression of their beliefs can't be morally objectionable. By the same token, if I were to think that adultery shouldn't be criminalized that wouldn't mean that I would be bound not to think of it as morally objectionable. cont'd
@TngMutantNinjaTroll If your argument is correct, then someone opposing the criminalization of adultery wouldn't be within his rights and would in fact be acting inconsistently and hypocritically in maintaining that adultery is immoral, and that adulterers should face civil penalties. Yet this doesn't follow at all, and so your argument fails. cont'd
@TngMutantNinjaTroll While not opposing Dimmu's right to free expression (and not necessarily because I think that in principle there are no valid ways in which it could be curtailed or even removed), I do however oppose the content of what is expressed. There is no no hypocrisy here for I don't believe that the conclusion of your argument enshrines a valid principle (and therefore can't possibly be accused of acting inconsistently with respect to the said principle).
@BenjiAJ As is your right to object on the content. However I still find religion one of the worst things in modern society. Countless religious people commit crimes simply because they know they have means to ''reset'' themselves. I can kill a man and tomorrow i will go to church and say 20 prayers and it will all be ok. That's wrong and it's far less moral than any music video no matter it's content. Several of the most hypocritical people I know are utterly religious.
@TngMutantNinjaTroll Someone who would be so presumptuous as to say that he could murder someone tomorrow and then know that he would be forgiven for the murder if he repeats '20 prayers' afterwards is not someone who understands the Christian faith. We are warned in scripture of how our conscience can be seared through repeatedly sinning.
@BenjiAJ In scripture; created by men to control men; a product of political struggle, a manifest of subjugation and fear; you are warned in scripure? No, you have been programmed to it, enslaved by the idea that you will be given a glorious eternity if you just do what you are told by magic, magic told to you by other humans, words on paper, and society subjegated before you.
You cannot be freed, but you do know, in your essence, that this is the truth.
@GnosticAtheist We don't have direct access to the transmortal conditions under which the damned would be constrained to experience the state of hell; so we don't know enough as to know that whatever it is that they would be determined to experience in hell, won't somehow count as a just recompense for the evil which they would have freely chosen to do when they were alive. Yet we do know enough as to know that God is the ground of morality and that God can never behave unjustly.
God explains that if subject violates those things he has defined as sin, the things he created, you will be punished; because being "evil" is wrong, God say, even though the only choice you had was doing as he told you or not.
God is thusly an egomanic, and the force that created evil in the first place.
@GnosticAtheist You state that God has 'forced a subject into existence'. For this to be possible, the subject must first exist before it can be 'forced into existence' since otherwise it would not be possible for it to be made subject to an act that compels it to do anything. Yet the subject cannot exist before it exists, and so the notion of the subject being 'forced into existence' is incoherent. Given this, it is simply meaningless to accuse God of doing what it purportedly describes.
why are people commenting about CoF on a DB video? especially trolling on the band when there is no way in hell they could ever pull off any part of any song CoF has ever done.
Torlof108 2 hours ago
@Torlof108 as far as their new content, CoF sucks.
Torlof108 2 hours ago
Que cancion! muy buena!
lmllukaslml 10 hours ago
Check out 'Freyja' by SONIQ ARMADA
mhzsm 13 hours ago
See this song, is a true example of Symphonic Black Metal. NOT THAT SHITTY CRADLE OF FILTH. That band is horrible. Dimmu Borgir= Greatness.... Cradle of Filth=as the title suggests, filth.
POTATOEMPN 14 hours ago
im a metalhead , and i play trombone..... now i know why
MrPollution1 1 day ago in playlist Black/Death/Heavy/Trash/Folk and more Metal
First time I've heard them. The music is completely awesome but the vocals and the whole image thing gets on my tits
saskwotch19764 1 day ago
1:40 is that Voldemort?
Lynchierugby1 2 days ago
@Lynchierugby1 LMFAO!
Cathal1992edition 1 day ago
Im into metal damn deep but Im not much of a fan of Dimmu borgi but one thing for sure this song is FKNG AWESOME !!!! \M/
multiinnocentguy 2 days ago
is this even music?
TheBuzzjam 2 days ago
@TheBuzzjam Music - yes. Singing... nooope...
HoszHosz 2 days ago
@TheBuzzjam Fuck You man Even tha you are a fucking poper Fuck You Respect The Real Music
Rennerpj 1 day ago
fags all time talking shit.there is no GOD.
MetalheadTed1000 2 days ago
What's the difference between the normal version and the EXTREME-one?
Kolbein837 3 days ago
@Kolbein837 The girls.. and the butcher.... better quality version here...watch?v=rRma4v0GkwM&list=FLV9T-61JIuwLyoVXTYak9cQ&feature=mh_lolz
mongfarmer 2 days ago in playlist Favorite videos
It's a black metal Thors- day
leifstremberg 3 days ago
DIMMU BRGIR Alt lys Er Svunnet Hen
TheAntikristian 3 days ago
STUPIDS! GOD WILL PUNISH YOU!
Sicotyc 5 days ago
@Sicotyc yes, yes.....
RiccardoTheBeAst 5 days ago
@Sicotyc LOL he already has it just registered in your small brain
ender8631 4 days ago
@Sicotyc axxaxaxaxxaxaxxaxxaxaxxaxa
alex903585 4 days ago
@Sicotyc shut up. seriously u christian bitch its music and so fucking what if there like this?? fuck off and leave its good music.
TheBVBemo 4 days ago in playlist METAL 14
@Sicotyc lmao wtf are you doing here?
danielxdglaciuus 3 days ago
@Sicotyc lol man, best comment ever which was posted here :D
Sancrosanct66 3 days ago
@Sicotyc If your god is gonna punish me, send him now, I'm ready.
DemonSlayer2044 2 days ago
@Sicotyc i will not punish myself for listening to good music
victim515 1 day ago
@Sicotyc There is twice the proof that "God" is not real than proof to show that he is real....Poor stupid ingrate
DowneyEIRE 23 hours ago
demonio puro mas o som e foda
maxtoni18 5 days ago
@maxtoni18 hehe concordo
danielxdglaciuus 3 days ago
I love how this is called EXTREME VERSION lol
XxTriViuMfan98xX 5 days ago
@XxTriViuMfan98xX it is the EXTREME version. the EXTREMEly poorly mixed version.
terrormech 3 days ago
sounds like throwing up
RagdollZombie 6 days ago
fuck Jehovah and his son now these men are truly worthy of worship
Altbassist34 6 days ago
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Lady gaga has more talent then all them combined.
Alice16087 6 days ago
we should hunt down the 936 bastard with our might!!!
infernuz1231 1 week ago 7
@infernuz1231 938 now D: lets go hunt them all.
DannyTheStrange666 2 days ago
im satanic with dominator and sange&yasha
SenoAkaOnes 1 week ago
This guy sounds like Popeye at certain points. I love this.
LordHerzdieb 1 week ago
@LordHerzdieb HA!
bopperjones13 1 week ago
Heil Satan and ABBAT!!!!!!!!!!
EmpyreanFrost 1 week ago
nice...i have Disneyland advertisements to the right. Now that is a progeny of a great apocalypse..my financial apocalypse just to go there.
systemaddictshock 1 week ago
i fucked my girl on this song last night. gives this little extra perversion to it. Love it. \m/
8Biohazard5 1 week ago
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Dimmu Borgir without Vortex - a Professional without a Cunt...R.I.P
BreakTheMindPrison 1 week ago
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Thumbs up for Vortex and metal chicks...Dimmu Borgir is F**k all now
BreakTheMindPrison 1 week ago
240p we meet again!
LaughingSkull0808 1 week ago
0:18
thuggstin 1 week ago
0:25 all hail mustis
devilthrig 1 week ago
lol! , posers
Delciver14 1 week ago
I dont see why they cut down the song so much for this video. Kinda made me sad
arcanian14 1 week ago
jak tego można KURWA nie lubić?!
aragorn19aa 1 week ago
The most brutal of all music videos !!
Sardukar2219 1 week ago
@Sardukar2219 you should check out "lucifer" by behemoth. you won't be disappointed.
lgbarrier2 1 week ago
excelente essa musica, muito boa mesmo
itunanswered123 1 week ago
The most epic intro I've ever heard.
ReidxCore 2 weeks ago
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Fuckin deadLy\m/
s666a1 2 weeks ago
Music is fucking awesome, but have you ever tried to look at the lyrics? I haven't seen band with so much truth in their lyrics.
alhuwar1131 2 weeks ago
muito boa a musica
itunanswered123 2 weeks ago
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alhuwar1131 2 weeks ago
I love love Black Metal, but I love tits even more. ( . Y . )
andrew12awesome 2 weeks ago
From 0:00 to 3:38 dude looks badss!
haegeland 2 weeks ago
this song make me like so much dummu.
littlejohn17 2 weeks ago
is this filmed with a potatoe?
NorwaysMetalhead 2 weeks ago
@NorwaysMetalhead no it was filmed with an unoriginal comment taken from another video.
ToadsMGodes 2 weeks ago
it's so cliche and cheesy to the point where I actually really enjoy it.
Dillingerman1 2 weeks ago
0:32 O.O
ElColly 2 weeks ago
This playlist is badass
rickvanhezik 2 weeks ago in playlist APB: Head banging
Bass dude = TALENT
JustWaIkAway 2 weeks ago
SÓ PUTARIAAAAAAA
AstarothSobral 2 weeks ago
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J O Y O F S A T A N . O R G
SATAN IS GOD!!!
jewlostallcontrol 2 weeks ago
2:36 o.O
tvkamilaellen 2 weeks ago 2
their last great album with no doubt!
izquemia 2 weeks ago
@izquemia That`s so true! it`s a shame :(
djtesla87 2 weeks ago
@Emikropz
if u hate this band then why the fuck are u here? u retarded son of a motherfucker bitch
Sentynet94 2 weeks ago
@Sentynet94 I didn't know the band :D
Emikropz 2 weeks ago
@Sentynet94 verdade esse @Emikropz é um gay kkkkkkkkkk
AstarothSobral 2 weeks ago
Lol, they DO look like lord of the rings villains...
HexisLumin 2 weeks ago
Black metal is disgusting, scary, evil and dark.
This bullshit sounds is modern melodic bullshit, and they call themself Black.
I hate this band :)
Emikropz 2 weeks ago
@Emikropz FUCK YOU ASSHOLE
pyroham1 2 weeks ago
@Emikropz tu é viado é ???? kkkkkkkkkkkkk
AstarothSobral 2 weeks ago
@AstarothSobral dont come speak spanish/french on this video.
jorgenschroen08 2 weeks ago
Christmas 2012 No.1?
SlayTheGoblins 2 weeks ago
One awesome album. One of my favorites from Dimmu \m/
DarkCountessChristel 2 weeks ago
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1:09 aaah my ears
imkingmailru 3 weeks ago
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imkingmailru 3 weeks ago
Tities! More tities!
orey79 3 weeks ago
The bassist is a pretty awesome singer.
Legacy3487 3 weeks ago
лу изгоев черного металлического мусора на
valeryevkolizey 3 weeks ago
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Visit my channel and watch my cover of spellbound (Dimmu Borgir) singing, and my cover of we will rise (Arch enemy)
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Roxybs21 3 weeks ago
the bass player is so hot i want to merry him when i turn 18
XxInfernal666AngelxX 3 weeks ago
@XxInfernal666AngelxX When?
thegreatestgweedo 3 weeks ago
@XxInfernal666AngelxX : i lold. underage chick, wanting to marry super bad-ass artist/serial-killer/death cult acolyte
selvmordspilot 3 weeks ago 13
@selvmordspilot lol what about serial killer death cult acolyte?
ender8631 1 week ago
@selvmordspilot Simon Hestnæs er ikke en seriemorder, bare en god musiker.
Dumb fuck poser.
Turpezor 1 week ago
@Turpezor : jokede bare rundt. Ville ikke være her hvis ikke jeg synes de er dygtige,
selvmordspilot 1 week ago
@selvmordspilot haha ok.
Turpezor 1 week ago
@selvmordspilot He is not an serial killer, nor is he an death cult acolyte. how do you even dare to accuse ICS vortex of that.
joeriz9 1 week ago
@joeriz9 : It's just a bit of moral pesticide, to weed out fags like you. Oh what a glorious fag you are. Behold! The faggotry...
Now if you'll have me excused, I have some norwegian black death metal to enjoy
selvmordspilot 1 week ago
@selvmordspilot Du høres mer ut som en kristen, spør du meg.
hrBertelsen 1 week ago
@selvmordspilot Lol fags? I love ICS vortex, i dont want you to give him a bad name.
joeriz9 1 week ago
@XxInfernal666AngelxX bitch
Exoble 3 weeks ago
@XxInfernal666AngelxX - So cute!
Sephiroth767 2 weeks ago
at 0:04 dude looks badass.
bopperjones13 3 weeks ago 16
@bopperjones13 0:20 he looks way more badass
Ckasady91 1 week ago
@Ckasady91 agreed
bopperjones13 1 week ago
the apocalyps is comming!!
ashley7538 3 weeks ago
SKYRIM.
efanhunt 3 weeks ago
@efanhunt I must have a new computer soon... ;( I want to try skyrim...
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
NuclearBlastEurope: Y U No uploaded in better quality?!
berzerker11 3 weeks ago in playlist Dimmu Borgir
great HD version
/watch?v=Id-mlxGStio
NightRaven898 3 weeks ago
I have great affection for Norway because of a Norwegian girl I know. I was shocked to learn that black metal songs have even made it to the Pop Charts of Norway. So apart from sharing the Gospel, my purpose is also to do what I little I can to recall Northern Europe to its Christian roots. Jesus of Nazareth is the Saviour of the world, and men of all cultures are invited to embrace the Gospel. Do you know that some Norwegian metal bands are Christian?
BenjiAJ 3 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ Black Metal is Norwegian in its origin. Most black metal band out there come from this country, such as Dimmu Borgir, even though the name is Islandic, or rather, the language we spoke before Christianity.
Our roots is not Christian; our legacy is Åsatru. The same goes for our culture, it is not Christian in origin but old Germanic. Black metal was part of my teen years and still is, for theists it can easily be seen as "evil". That is the rebelious point of it.
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist Thanks for confirming that black metal is basically Norwegian in origin, and that most black metal bands originate in Norway. This underscores why there is a need for a Christian response to be issued to what they produce, if we are remind Norway of the Christian roots of Norwegian culture. I agree that paganism predated Christianity in Europe; but my point is that Christianity sought to eliminate the immoral and destructive elements in pagan culture.
BenjiAJ 3 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ Well, I would not wich to live in world without equlibrium between hate and love. For every psalm and Justin Bieber, there must be an Emperor and Dimmu Borgir. It is only the law of the universe. ;)
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist Yes but there are Norwegian metal bands who are Christians. Clearly therefore they are reacting to the pagan and anti-Christian forces in their own culture. These bands (as far as I understand) reject what Dimmu Borgir stands for; and they promote the Christian faith (even if they do so in a way that doesn't particularly appeal to me).
BenjiAJ 3 weeks ago
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@BenjiAJ IF YOU DO NOT SEE OUR TRUTH... GET THE FUCK OFF OUR MUSIC ,,,ASSHOLE
TheNorseman74 3 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ Never heard of Chrsitian Black metal bands, metal, but not black metal. Black metal is rebelion against all religion of men and the embrace of human nature, what religion (particularly Islam and Christianity) call "the beast" or "daimon" (koine greek for "inner being").
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist The idea of a Chrsitian black metal band seems very strange, since the intent of the style is near opposite of modern religion; to "free your inner beast" or rather "to rebel against false morality". A good example of this would be kovenant - Jyhad :
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist
"Get down on your knees and feed the illusion
Get down on your knees and prolong the delusion
Superstition is the religion of the feeble mind
Liberty and Justice - The Illusions of mankind
A dogmatic expression in every direction
There is no redemption in divine intervention
The world is a disease that cannot be cured
The truth is a voice that cannot be heard"
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist With this in mind, I cannot fully understand how a Christian black metal band could exist. The music style in itself is agressive and plays on such. Do you have any examples of such a band? Remember, metal and black metal is different not just in its delievery but the entire musical composition.
GnosticAtheist 3 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist There are Christian black metal bands. I believe there are recordings of their songs, and videos of interviews and performances they have given, on Youtube.
BenjiAJ 3 weeks ago
Penis tehehehe
TheCenterShock 3 weeks ago
240p ....;(
BionicDeathCreator 4 weeks ago
240p we meet again
mniezo 4 weeks ago
I appreciate your thoughtful response. You raise many questions to which sophisticated Christian answers are available. God is omnipotent but a good case can be made for supposing that even he cannot create the good of there being free creatures without some of these creatures choosing to do evil. Several Christian thinkers have argued that it is logically impossible for God to create a free, rational agent who is determined by God to choose to do only what is good.
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
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brutalrabit 4 weeks ago
the best XD
TheChupanapaledet 4 weeks ago
What an Epic masterpiece. Dimmu, do us a favor and beat the shit out of Black Veil Brides, please :-)
LZKAntiMainstream 4 weeks ago
this song is a bomb
monsterzombie84 4 weeks ago
8========3
theograv 4 weeks ago
O=]=========> 0:00 <==========]=O
Hate4EverOne 4 weeks ago
god i feel so fucking satanic listening to this.
TheNOSTALGICDECAY 4 weeks ago
@TheNOSTALGICDECAY Why so sir, anyways being satanic is not worse than being christian(or any other). It's the same shit, religion is the root to all evil. =)
Cartmanezful 4 weeks ago
The only salient remaining question is whether these intuitions are objective or not. My point was that on atheism they are not objective and so a godless universe cannot ground the notion that rape, murder and the like are truly evil. As for the evidence for this, I don't think we have to have evidence in order to be justified in believing that our moral intuitions are valid. That said, evidence for the existence of God is evidence that our moral intuitions are a reflection of his moral will.
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ tl;dr
To be honest, I don't really care to debate you. It's not that I'm unsure of my position that there probably isn't a god; it's that I know I won't change your mind and you won't change mine, and I don't really give a small fraction of a shit if you want to be retarded and believe in your sky daddy who evidently doesn't care enough about his own creations to intervene on behalf of the billions of impoverished people in the world. Instead, he allows them to live and die in squalor.
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 4 weeks ago
By contrast, our moral basic moral intutions are widely shared amongst cultures and form the basis of successful, flourishing human societies in which the rule of law prevails. That is why moral reasoning is possible, for intuitions such as the thought that the innocent are not to be harmed, and that we ought to try as far as possible to treat everyone else in the same way that we would like for ourselves to be treated, are so widespread amongst human beings. Cont'd
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ Oh, and one last thing. This band also sings about your YOUR religion. Just the other side of it. They are result of your imaginary god and devil. A lie that is as old as humanity itself.
TngMutantNinjaTroll 4 weeks ago
If someone were to claim that he believes an invisible dragon is living on his roof, he would have to be asked why he thinks it exists when he can't see it or otherwise detect it by means of his senses. If he says that he can see it or otherwise detect it by means of his senses, he needs to say why he doesn't think he is hallucinating when the same ostensibly corporeal object can't be similarly detected by anyone else. cont'd
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
One of the best songs ever made, hands down. Doesn't matter what your religious, moral, or social views are. If you take the lyrics in a song literally, you're an idiot anyway.
xb0xisbetter 4 weeks ago
@ all the comments below: tl;dr
misterlaufeyson 4 weeks ago
Finally, atheism can't even account for objective morality; and so on atheism, there can be no ultimate argument against the evils that many of us would consider abhorrent and would like deeply to eliminate. Indeed on atheism, objective morality doesn't exist. To conclude, Dimmu Borgir and their followers haven't even begun to engage with a serious presentation of the Christian faith. If they tried to get into a real debate, instead of dressing up in Halloween costumes, they would be mauled.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@BenjiAJ Who are Christians to actually assert objective morality to begin with? The way you word it is like saying "And Christians can't even account for the invisible dragon that lives on my roof", but someone saying that would first have to present evidence that there was, in fact, a dragon living on their roof.
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 4 weeks ago
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES When I said atheism couldn't account for objective morality, I meant only to assert that if our moral judgments have any objectivity at all, then atheism can't account for this fact. I left out the conditional clause for the sake of brevity, supposing that I would not be misunderstood. That said, it is misleadingly inept to draw a comparison between an invisible dragon conceived of by someone as living on his roof, and our moral intuitions. cont'd
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
It's also spectacularly pathetic that Shagrath has to pilfer his name from Tolkien's works. Tolkien was a devout Christian, a Catholic, and he conceived of Middle-Earth as a fictional realm in which the real God was in fact sovereign. Tolkien in one of his letters stated that his work was about God's sovereignty and his absolute right to worship. Dimmu has directly opposed the Christian faith; and we Christians note this, and register our deep anger and displeasure.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
What!? No HD?
picapepino 1 month ago
Christian -
if they're right = go to heaven
if they're wrong = nothing
Atheist -
if they're right = well, nothing
if they're wrong = go to hell
LMFAO either way atheist, you lose
Juggafags 1 month ago
@Juggafags Well, in the bible it says: "thou shall not judge others." Sooo basically all christians are fucked...
SerraxGaming 1 month ago
@SerraxGaming Right, who actually reads the bible? Only hardcore Christians read the bible.
Juggafags 1 month ago
@Juggafags People with intelligence who reads the bible become atheists.
Too bad you are too lazy and dumb to read it and too lazy and dumb to understand why atheiests have the undestanding of life.
Btw, you call yourself "fags". That will surely get you into heaven, ill see you down there :D
(Hell have better music anyway.)
Naetheras 1 month ago
@Juggafags So what you are saying is, that you got no idea what you actually stand for? I have not read the bible myself but, the way Christianity want you to live is basic knowledge... Re-think about what you really believe in because that reply was saddening.
SerraxGaming 1 month ago
@SerraxGaming Not once I said I was Christian so I don't know why you're implying that I am
Juggafags 1 month ago
@Juggafags That makes even less sense. Why the hell would you talk trash about atheists then? Do you really think you are better than them? ... Scum like you are the reason for religious ignorance. So do everyone a favor and go play in the traffic or find some hole to die in, you are a waste of air.
SerraxGaming 1 month ago
@SerraxGaming Because atheists are fucking idiots honestly, tell me then what happened before your gay ass big bang theory? How did the big bang theory make the human body so perfect and the world just right for us to live in?
Juggafags 1 month ago
@Juggafags Bwahaha, you think I believe in evolution now :p And enlighten me, where have I ever said anything about ME? You are just digging your own grave in this conversation, so do yourself a favor and stop. You are a arrogant bastard with lack of knowledge on the subject. And I am not trying to just take a piss on you, but people like you, need to just shut the fuck up with your opinions about other people's way of life.
SerraxGaming 1 month ago
@SerraxGaming Hmm well you are replying to a atheist vs christian discussion
Juggafags 1 month ago
@Juggafags Moreover, even a theory of multiple universes cannot account for why the regularities obtaining across the spectrum of universes are such as to make it probable that at least one member of the spectrum should have constants and initial conditions that are fined tuned for life. And even if these regularities observed by each of the set's members could be codified in mathematical equations, what is left unexplained would be why these equations are descriptive of reality.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@Juggafags To put it another way, why should those equations be descriptive of reality and not other equations that would fail to describe a multiverse (one of many possible such multiverses) that permits life? A metaphysical theory (apart from having a high prior probability) has to make significantly probable the most general features of reality relative to a conjunction of its simplest rivals, in order for the said theory to be likely to be true and atheism fails to do this patently.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@Juggafags Yes, right. The standard model doesn't speculate on what caused the universe; in fact, in that model the laws of physics are held to break down at the point of the initial cosmological singularity. That said, no theory of physics can account for the fine-tuning of the constants of nature and the initial conditions for life; and certainly no materialistic theory extrapolating from the regularities described in current physical theory could account for the emergence of consciousness.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@BenjiAJ My answer to your 4 replies, lmfao
Juggafags 4 weeks ago
@Juggafags Heh and Jugga... QUIT FCKIN RELIGION DUDE THAT'S FOR FAGS! :3
Fr3d3554 1 month ago
@Juggafags I find your attempts at trolling quite poor.
IJUSTLOVETURTLES 1 month ago
@IJUSTLOVETURTLES Hmm I'm not off topic or flamming, I'm asking legitimate questions and giving my answers.
Juggafags 1 month ago
nobody needs to shut the fuck up about anything, everyone's free to post their own thoughts and opinions, thats what the comments section is here for. if you don't like it then don't read it.
Lobitta504 1 month ago
epic
Lobitta504 1 month ago
@benjiAJ whether or not I believe or disbelieve in your views are now secondary. I reserve my right to believe what I will. My objection now is that you are attacking a band (artist), and their fans about their freedom of choice in what they believe. If you don't like the message that the band is putting across, quite simply fuck off!
juscred1 1 month ago
@juscred1 No, I'm not attacking their freedom of choice for believing in what they do, but that doesn't mean that I think (or ought to think) that they are right in exercising their freedom of choice in the way that they have chosen to exercise it. I am also pointing out what I believe (by virtue of an exercise of my own freedom of choice) about what is going to be entailed for them as the result of their exercise of their freedom of choice.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@juscred1 And it isn't just a question about what they believe privately because they have obviously chosen to express their beliefs in a way that serves to commend their beliefs to a large number people. Moreover, the particular mode of expression of these beliefs in the nature of the case involves mockery and denunciation of Christian beliefs, and of what Christians hold sacred. Hence we note the opposition, and respond accordingly.
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@BenjiAJ Hate to burst your bubble mate but your very religion expressed their beliefs to a large number of people throughout history. Quite violently if I might add. It still does to this very day. Opposing someone for widely expressing their beliefs while your religion has done the same on numerous occasions, and still doing, is being a hypocrite.
TngMutantNinjaTroll 1 month ago
@TngMutantNinjaTroll Accepting that Dimmu ought to be given the right to express their beliefs (say, on the ground that it would be wrong not to assign to them some measure of freedom of expression), wouldn't mean accepting that the expression of their beliefs can't be morally objectionable. By the same token, if I were to think that adultery shouldn't be criminalized that wouldn't mean that I would be bound not to think of it as morally objectionable. cont'd
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@TngMutantNinjaTroll If your argument is correct, then someone opposing the criminalization of adultery wouldn't be within his rights and would in fact be acting inconsistently and hypocritically in maintaining that adultery is immoral, and that adulterers should face civil penalties. Yet this doesn't follow at all, and so your argument fails. cont'd
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@TngMutantNinjaTroll While not opposing Dimmu's right to free expression (and not necessarily because I think that in principle there are no valid ways in which it could be curtailed or even removed), I do however oppose the content of what is expressed. There is no no hypocrisy here for I don't believe that the conclusion of your argument enshrines a valid principle (and therefore can't possibly be accused of acting inconsistently with respect to the said principle).
BenjiAJ 1 month ago
@BenjiAJ As is your right to object on the content. However I still find religion one of the worst things in modern society. Countless religious people commit crimes simply because they know they have means to ''reset'' themselves. I can kill a man and tomorrow i will go to church and say 20 prayers and it will all be ok. That's wrong and it's far less moral than any music video no matter it's content. Several of the most hypocritical people I know are utterly religious.
TngMutantNinjaTroll 4 weeks ago
@TngMutantNinjaTroll Someone who would be so presumptuous as to say that he could murder someone tomorrow and then know that he would be forgiven for the murder if he repeats '20 prayers' afterwards is not someone who understands the Christian faith. We are warned in scripture of how our conscience can be seared through repeatedly sinning.
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ In scripture; created by men to control men; a product of political struggle, a manifest of subjugation and fear; you are warned in scripure? No, you have been programmed to it, enslaved by the idea that you will be given a glorious eternity if you just do what you are told by magic, magic told to you by other humans, words on paper, and society subjegated before you.
You cannot be freed, but you do know, in your essence, that this is the truth.
GnosticAtheist 4 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist We don't have direct access to the transmortal conditions under which the damned would be constrained to experience the state of hell; so we don't know enough as to know that whatever it is that they would be determined to experience in hell, won't somehow count as a just recompense for the evil which they would have freely chosen to do when they were alive. Yet we do know enough as to know that God is the ground of morality and that God can never behave unjustly.
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago
@BenjiAJ Transmortal conditions?
Let me explain :
God creates man, lust, love and hate.
God defines what is wrong, he calls it sin.
God forces subject into existence.
God explains that if subject violates those things he has defined as sin, the things he created, you will be punished; because being "evil" is wrong, God say, even though the only choice you had was doing as he told you or not.
God is thusly an egomanic, and the force that created evil in the first place.
GnosticAtheist 4 weeks ago
@GnosticAtheist You state that God has 'forced a subject into existence'. For this to be possible, the subject must first exist before it can be 'forced into existence' since otherwise it would not be possible for it to be made subject to an act that compels it to do anything. Yet the subject cannot exist before it exists, and so the notion of the subject being 'forced into existence' is incoherent. Given this, it is simply meaningless to accuse God of doing what it purportedly describes.
BenjiAJ 4 weeks ago