Mark Driscoll Loves Theology More Than Scripture - Re: Noah Wasn't a Righteous Man

[husky3601]

So there is some people who go to heaven without Jesus, but by being like Noah. Thank you sir for putting this video together. Your wonderfull wisdom of reading snippets of the bible is much better than having to read the whole book and take it into context. I really had a problem with all that other suff it says in the bible, about no one being righteous, but now I can forget that now. You really are a wise man of God.

[MrPup118]

I'm sure it would have been helpful to include the whole sermon (the dangers or uploading snippets of sermons) but Mark Driscoll is right - it saddens me that a brother in Christ has put so much time and energy into a video like this. "Have nothing to do with foolish controversies" 2 Tim 2:23

[TimotheosCauvin]

By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. (Heb 11:7)

Simul iustus et peccator.

We have to love Scripture and the theology we derive from it!

[ebj1871]

hahaha @timotheus333 you do realize that Mark addressed verse 9 right??? And that it comes AFTER verse 8. Therefore, "grace" first then "blamelessnes". Have a blessed day sir

[happyguync]

If you would read verse 8, you will see that Noah was only righteous because he found favor (grace) in the eyes of the Lord. Aside from God's grace, Noah and every christian is a sinner. Mark is right. Yes, Mark read the bible, and also did a great job preaching it here.

[KingdomPrince11]

What gets me is the lack of sensitivity to which this video was executed. If this guy suspects Mark of heresy through his 'misinterpretation' of the word, he should have approached him more respectively in love as a brother or father (preferrably in private) to show respect for the annointing Mark has on his life as a pastor and leader. This looks like the actions of a man that wishes to expose a false prophet, but is this now 'controversial' evidence enough to go on to support this accusation?

[kyungkp]

just like when Abraham was COUNTED righteous for having faith in God. key word is COUNTED. same here. NOAH was COUNTED / found favor with God and he is righteous in the sigh of God... Video like this or people who says such things, it exposes them of their knowledge of the bible... you have to understand the totality of the scripture not just few books of the bible.

[kyungkp]

ok clearly the creator of this video does not understand this text and what Driscoll is talking about. we are only saved by FAITH not works! In Romans Paul teaches us that and even jesus said no one can come to him unless FAther draws them to him. We can not save our selves because all of us have sinned (Romans)!! we all fall short in the glory of God! all of us! including Noah! but wait how did Noah became righteous in the sight of God? God found favor (undeserving grace) through Noah.

[steveoho]

I think a person only needs to read Romans 3:10-18 to get a clear picture of the pit all mankind falls into: “There is no one righteous...". Even Jesus did not allow the rich young ruler to address him as good, even though he is, because it showed a shallow understanding of good. The NT is emphatic that apart from grace, received by faith, through the righteousness of Jesus alone, no one will be counted as righteous before God. In the same way the OT saints receive righteousness: by faith.

[YeshuaFF7]

LOVE IT.

[CapitalSamuel]

meh

[gioshmedina]

did you watch the rest of that sermon? the MHCSEATTLE editor cut the clip off at a really bad spot because Mark explains what he is talking about. Also, when you read verse 9, you'll notice the 9 is bold indicating a pericope or a paragraph break. You taking verse 9 and using it with the previous section is incorrect. Mark discusses how Noah was bad, was chosen by God, THEN became righteous (as in verse 9, he was the first of his generations to be righteous).

[ProclaimHisWord]

Though these three men, NOAH, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their RIGHTEOUSNESS, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 14:14.

Scripture IS very clear on this matter.

[savedbyjesusm68]

the point he is trying to get across was that God didn't save us because we were good He saved us because He had grace

[leafclash]

I think he means that ALL have sinned. He takes an approach that says "ALL ARE BAD" which, according to the bible, is true, for all have fallen short of the glory of God. He quotes once "If the world was a western, we'd all be wearing black hats, Jesus was the only dude on a white horse with a white horse".

We've all sinned, and yeah, therefore are bad. BUT we have Jesus. He died for us.

[StrumstickJoe]

@leafclash Jesus never died.

He never existed.

And what is this rubbish about a bloke dying 2,000 years ago....FOR US?

It never made sense.

And if the event was pre-ordained, then it makes even less sense to make such an issue out of it.

Live now; live peacefully; live long and die for ever!

(Much better than eternity spent in the company of boring good people, with nothing to do except grovel in front of an insecure deity)

[leafclash]

@StrumstickJoe

dude, why are you even viewing this video then?

You say "live now, live peacefully, live long", yet you troll Youtube?

lol.

Bless ya.

[StrumstickJoe]

@leafclash You never know, I might free a few slaves, and leave the world a better place than I found it!

I do want to understand what motivates these religious folk.

(Look at "3 things you didn't know about islam" - also ZOMGitsCriss... v. interesting.)

Also a few more people may look at my vids; which are my legacy to the world.

PS I didn't actually make it very far into this video, to be honest.

[whickman26]

NET Translation - Genesis 6:9: This is the account of Noah.

Noah was a godly man; he was blameless

among his contemporaries. He walked with God.

KJV Translation - These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

The Message - Noah was a good man, a man of integrity in his community. Noah walked with God.

Romans 3:10 - As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one

Mark has is right. Stop looking for fame

[StrumstickJoe]

@whickman26 Mark has nothing right, because he's religious.

[droptozro]

@whickman26

Wow... Romans 3:10 is re-quoting a Psalm 14:2-3, written HUNDREDS of years later after Noah was even around... learn context please, Mark is a false teacher in multiple ways. Let alone the full context of Genesis even says "blameless in his time"... so for "his time"--God saw Him as righteous for there was no law besides the conscience. Calvinism is heresy---take the sharpe to the Bible and don't look back if you're going to be consistent.

[tmamone83]

Which is why I don't listen to Mark Driscoll anymore. He also twists scripture around to make it sound like women are 2nd class citizens in the Kingdom of God.

[JoaquinJB]

All have sinned, but not all seek God.

Gen. 4:26, some call upon the Lord and some do not, Noah was the only one left who did. Luk_18:14; 1Pe_5:5

Proverbs 1:29, Acts 10:1,2,22

Psalm 25:12,14 Romans 10:12,13

[REALDAWAH]

all the prophets of god were righteous men this how you know the bibile was written by men not by god. may Allah guid you all

[talithakoumi]

I normally like Driscolls preaching but this video bothered me, he needs to take the WHOLE Bible in context Ez 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver [but] their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

[typeaboutit]

I know who's not reading there Bible... and it's not Driscoll....

Gen 9:8. Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

Gen 9:9. Noah was a righteous man.

Noah was declared righteous because of God's favor (grace) - pretty obvious.

Galatians 2:21 "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."

[StrumstickJoe]

@typeaboutit You seem like a bible-reader. Did you know there are multiple gods mentioned in the bible?

This monotheism was tacked on afterwards - though the christians got themselves in a tangle with the trinity, and had to conceive a complicated, devious and mostly unintelligible get-out.

Don't ask me to name the hierarchy of gods - I honestly can't be bothered to get back to it - though one of them was named "El" and is immortalised in the names "Michael", "Bethel" & "Israel"

[TheCrushmaster]

@StrumstickJoe Mate, what you're saying has no Biblical grounds whatsoever...

[StrumstickJoe]

@TheCrushmaster Your god is quoted in the bible as saying “I am the first among gods” and El is one lower down in the hierarchy.

It’s all nonsense anyway. There are no gods, and no creator. The world is a wondrous place, but not magic. It is beyond our comprehension, but that's because we haven’t evolved a good enough brain to figure it out.

Do not waste your time grovelling to an (obviously insecure) entity.

Live long; live well; help your friends,and then go back to the stars whence you came.

[TheCrushmaster]

@StrumstickJoe Other "gods" are referred to as nothingness, as nonexistent entitites, in Scripture. Look here in Psalms, for example: (Psalms 135:15-18 NKJV) - "The idols of the nations are silver and gold, The work of men's hands. {16} They have mouths, but they do not speak; Eyes they have, but they do not see; {17} They have ears, but they do not hear; Nor is there any breath in their mouths. {18} Those who make them are like them; So is everyone who trusts in them."

[StrumstickJoe]

@TheCrushmaster You're not listening: "It’s all nonsense anyway. There are no gods, and no creator."

I'm just watching the news about how the deeply religious South was devastated by hundreds of tornadoes that your god decided to throw at them.

We live on a very precarious planet - everything about it is random. Nothing about the universe is designed.

Get your head round that and be free.

[TheCrushmaster]

@StrumstickJoe Yes, I read that part. Religious=/=Christian. Christianity is a religion, the one, true religion, but not all religious people are Christians - no, not by any means!

Allow me to ask you a question. Would you consider yourself to be a good person?

[StrumstickJoe]

@TheCrushmaster 4)..I presume your question was a leading question – well, I’ve just had a long discussion on another channel about objective morality, and to be honest, I think that the religions of this world are a poison, and would be quite insulted to think that people with that morality (re-read above) could teach me what is right or wrong.

Peace!

[StrumstickJoe]

@TheCrushmaster 3)..So, do I consider I’m a good person?– yes, reasonably thoughtful and considerate – and certainly not as bad as the christians of this world, who have blood and guilt on their hands, and carry it badly. Free yourself.

[StrumstickJoe]

@TheCrushmaster 2)..But did you know it’s immoral to lie to children and tell them they are born evil? Also to teach that you can pass your sins onto someone else (albeit a long-dead, probably mythical man). I think that human sacrifice – the very centre of your teaching – is highly immoral, and as for cannibalism (at the eucharist) well – think about it!

[StrumstickJoe]

@TheCrushmaster 1)..You're right; not by any means! Out of the 7 billion on earth now, and the several thousand million (who knows) who who have died since the evolution of sentient man - only a very privileged few of you have chosen christianity.

[hengnim]

does righteousness imply sinlessness? if it does, that means christians cannot be saved.

[hubbs86]

@hengnim YES! you've just hit the nail on the head. the whole gospel put together.... righteousness means sinlessness.. it does... so then, your questions stands... how are we going to be saved? if only there was someone who was sinless... that's Jesus.. 2 Cor 5:14-21... read it! Christ took our sin, we get his righteousness.. we are now declared righteous by grace through faith in Jesus. we wont be perfect till we get to heaven...but the gospel is that we get Jesus righteousness which saves us

[dec2]

popcorns and keyboard = uncleanliness, talking to oneself = disorderliness, using different version text than the one under critical review = disingenuous, ad hominem attack = angry bias, plausible assumption from all this = argument lacks merit

[uwonderwhy]

Speaking of picking and choosing verses, please dont disregard... Well, the entire book of Romans. A huge part of Biblical interpretaion is squaring verses (such as verse 9) with the rest of scripture. Romans 3 for instance. "None is righteous..."

[hiaspe]

guess what verse 9 is after verse 8

after he found grace hew became a righteous man but FIRST he was enabled by god

for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

(Philippians 2:13 ESV)

[arovir]

Very well-made video. The truth cannot be suppressed.

[captainkatefinch]

um... Genesis 6:9 NIV "Noah was a righteous man"

[boltingpuppies]

Just watched this. Well done. Love it.

[EpicenterChurchVids]

Christians are "blameless" and "Righteous" because of Christ. Yet we still have this war between the Spirit and the flesh. So Noah was blameless not sinless. He was a sinner yet righteous because he trusted God. I believe this sums up Driscolls view. For ALL have sinned....

[skellys3]

Well done brother. Great video...

[gugglevideos]

You will never be saved because you are righteous because the only way to be considered righteous before God is through faith in Jesus who paid the price in my place! It is impossible to be taken as a righteous man without GRACE! That's the point. Mark was right in everything he said! Read Romans... no one seeks God, there is no one righteous, not even one! I can name jut one: Jesus Christ!!!

[gugglevideos]

First, you must understand how the book of Genesis was composed. Moses rewinds the stories all the time... Gn 1 God creates Adam and Eve (Gn 1.27) and again in chapter 2!? Do you see? Gn 11 everybody spoke only one language but in chapter 10 verse 31 people were divided into tribes and languages! Maybe when mentioning the genealogy of Noah he was considered righteous because of GRACE, just like we are today! Mark was looking at the event with the eyes of GRACE! Can't be righteous without GRACE!

[SAPierce2006]

I'd love to hear the continuity of your theology. What Mark is merely doing is being an Exegetist. His theology is matching that of the rest of the Bible. I had the same thought when I heard Driscoll's sermon. Driscoll is merely pointing out, and emphasizing the fact that the favor that was poured out on Noah wasn't because of his works done in righteousness, but rather God. Read Romans 9, and do some praying over that. Every word out of Mark's mouth isn't correct, but these ones are.

[caucazhin]

AMEN 2 all who see Driscoll for the self serving, self aggrandizing NOTORIOUS PIG that he is. He did a NIGHTLINE interview where they drove around town and rightfully discussed all the idol worship of our culture including football and as it turns out "MACHO MAN" Driscoll attends ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIPS

and calls some fighters brothers in Christ. This guy is a 1ST class dufus

[aveyowyns]

@caucazhin

Okay... Enjoying sports is different than idolizing sports - so, if that's all you got...

[YeshElsm]

LOL, My favorite part comes at the end when the guy talks about Servetus. He may as well have said, "Please disregard everything you just watched because I am ignorant of history and I will rework and reconstruct it to make my case. Truth is relative."

[YeshElsm]

Noah never sinned, ever. He was perfect, without sin and was even unstained by Adam's sin. In fact, Lamech was his adopted father. Noah was really born by the Spirit to a virgin.

Right? He was righteous and without sin?

[aveyowyns]

@YeshElsm

love it...

[AcaiBunch]

You are taking the scriptures out of context to prove Mark wrong. Noah was a righteous man AFTER the flood. The generations of Noah were AFTER the flood. He was only Righteous AFTER God chose him to save him from the flood! It's called ELECTION.

These verses do not disprove Mark, they PROVE Election. Noah found favor in God's eyes, he was NOT righteous until after God found favor with him. AFTER God chose him THEN he was righteous. THEN he walked with God. AFTER, not before.

[Rawmundo]

@AcaiBunch buddy, noah had his sons before the flood, Gen 7:7, hence why Gen 6 names only his sons and not his grandchildren or any of his future offspring....

[aveyowyns]

@AcaiBunch

Noah wasn't a righteous man after the flood - Noah got drunk - AFTER THE FLOOD...

but otherwise,I agree...

[AcaiBunch]

@aveyowyns EXACTLY! Noah wasn't a righteous man. God chose Noah to be righteous, it had nothing to do with what Noah did, it was all God's choosing. Even after we are saved we still sin, it's a process of sanctification. No one becomes perfect as soon as they get saved, that doesn't happen till death or the rapture.

"He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it."

[gomitch2]

This is very well done! Thank you so much for making this. It's realy good.

[RefutingCalvinism]

Great video! Keep it up!

[CL0Z3R]

LOL DUDE thatz so not right lol

the verse b4 juz said--"Noah found grace"

dude do u even knowww what grace is?

Grace is unmerited favorrrrrr---an undeseving gift that NO ONE DESERVE

u did nothing to deserve this (GIFT) is y therez a romans 11 "And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."

therefore u can say all are sinful--like gensis 6

But God in His GRACE sent Christ because we, including u nnnnn Noah needed a Saviour

Dude read Romans 3 :]

[revholland1]

I don't understand your point about 'verses' and 'theology.' Theology IS the BIBLE. That's where it comes from. The BIBLE says 'For ALL have sinned (except Noah?) and come short...' (Rom.3v23). Is drunkenness a sin? Mmm! Except Noah's his must have been a righteous drunkenness. Noah was righteous on account of God's righteousness and not his own. He behaved in a righteous was outwardly compared to the world around him. And Calvin murdered no one. He wasn't even there on the day or at the trial.

[PerishNot]

@revholland1 First of all, Noah got drunk after the flood and after he was called righteous in the Bible. The interesting part about this whole video is that the bible calls Noah righteous and Mark calls him un-righteous?

[revholland1]

@PerishNot Yes, point taken. But we need to listen to the whole sermon and not just a couple of minutes. I do have my problems with Mark Driscoll, but for probably for other reasons. Every blessing in the Lord!

[CL0Z3R]

@PerishNot LOL Dude He Isssss----Its By God's Regenerating Work That Makes Him Righteous--- Its BEcause Noah recieved God, "to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God"

dude u sound sooooo self righteous---y dont u juz Give God all the glory--Give Jesus the Credit bro- Cuz if it wasnt for His grace right now---how r u even breathing?

[PerishNot]

@CL0Z3R The point I am trying to make is that the bible says Noah was a righteuos man and Mark says he's unrighteous. I am not saying that Noah was righteous on his own. I am saying that Noah found Gods favor because he was faithful to God. All glory to God. I agree with what you said, apart from me being self righteous. Then the LORD said to Noah, "Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. (Gen 7:1)

[CL0Z3R]

@PerishNot LOL my bad bro--i dont wanna offend-its juz that God has been so Gud to me n u---n some juz want paise of it--like we dont know how much grace we get EVERYDAY--were like a fish in a sea--but the fish dont really pay atention to the sea around it because its soo use and adapt to it

"Noah found Gods favor because he was faithful to God"

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

[CL0Z3R]

@CL0Z3R wen i look at that u no wat that tell me---Noah found grace"

dude do u even knowww what grace is?

Grace is unmerited favorrrrrr---an undeseving gift that NO ONE DESERVE

u did nothing to deserve this (GIFT) is y therez a romans 11 "And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace."

therefore u can say all are sinful--like gensis 6

But God in His GRACE sent Christ because we, including u nnnnn Noah needed a Saviour

But check out Romans 3 :]

[jimboo40]

As for John Calvin, being a murderous anti-Semite: I don't know if it's true or not, maybe I'll research it later, but I hate how people can be so right, in one area, yet get another so horribly wrong.

[jimboo40]

This is the first youtube video I've disagreed with Driscoll on. I got hooked by how much scripture he knew about certain subjects, but this one fell short. I know he's a Predestination guy, but even then he could have explained, "Noah was the only one on earth who had faith in God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness". Oh well, can't win em all I guess.

[Wired4Truth]

You are not serious, right? I mean, really, I may have the lowest regard for Driscoll but even I wouldn't rape his words the way you are doing...

[shine777]

ok... 2 things...

1. The verses prior which is what Mark Driscoll addressed clearly showed that Noah FOUND favor with God....

2. From the favor Noah found with God, God IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS to Noah...

so in clear Scriptural exegesis... the ONLY reason why Noah was righteous was because GOD IMPUTED His Righteousness TO HIM... thusly... Noah was bad till God INTERVENED... the same we are all bad till Jesus intervenes... that is what Mark's point is... COMON PPL!

[CrispiesJ]

Also, I have a question, do you believe that Noah was righteous by his own merit? If so, you have a very very deficient understanding of the Gospel. It is the grace of God alone that makes us righteous. I for one am very grateful that God does not treat me as my sins deserve.

[CrispiesJ]

This guy proved how incredibly ignorant he is by his final words "John Calvin murdered Michael Servetus for less." Servetus denied the trinity, thus denying the deity of Christ-everybody agreed that he was a heretic and in those days heretics were killed. Calvin was actually a voice of compassion, he pleaded with Servetus to retract his statement, when he refused to retract, Calvin pleaded with the authorities to make his death as painless as possible. Please do a bit more researsch my friend.

[PerishNot]

So, murder is ok as long as we live in a time that it is normal? Since when does the majority rule with God's Truth? Would you please just think before you write these foolish arguments. Calvin had a man killed for believing something different then he did. Please show me in the new testiment where this is acceptable in the sight of God. Unrepentant Murderers go to hell. Calvin was not a voice of compassion, he wrote later in his life that Servetus got what he deserved. Please follow Jesus

[revholland1]

@PerishNot Don't show your lack of knowledge about history; the world can see. Calvin murdered no one at all. It was the state that carried out a state execution. (Rom.13) The penalty of the day for blasphemy was execution. The RC church passed sentence of Servetus. Calvin pleaded with him to recant and even risked his own life in the process. He also argued once the sentence of death had been passed by the authorities for a more lenient form of execution. Servetus tried to have Calvin killed.

[PerishNot]

@revholland1 Was it not Calvin that had Servetus arrested while attending Calvins church? Since when is it ok for a Christian to order an execution even if it is the law of the time? Did not Calvin later in life say in a letter that Servetus got what he deserved? So now, when someone has a differing veiw on scripture, they deserve to be executed?  Based on looking at your channel, you love Calvin. Is that not Idolitry? Are we to love mans ideas on Jesus or should we just love Jesus?

[revholland1]

@PerishNot Yes, i do love John Calvin, as my Bible says I'm to love all men. it also says I'm to give honour to whom honour isn due. And that the elder is worthy of double honour. Also. as Calvin is so Christ exalting I love him all the more....

[revholland1]

@PerishNot. What's your def. of murder? Is putting someone to death by the state murder? What about Rom. 13, 1 Pt.2? That was the state punishment of the day, rightly or wrongly that is the fact of the matter. No one is agreeing here with what happened. It's easy for you to sit in your comfortable armchair 500 yrs later and point the finger. Calvin did not sentence this man to death. As to pointing him out in church? He was a criminal who too tried to have Calvin killed.

[JoaquinJB]

Eze 33:19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

Eze 33:20 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

Psa 25:14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

[JoaquinJB]

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Where does it say that Noah thought only evil continually, Noah not being perfect does not mean that he is wicked with the rest of the world.

Read Ezekiel 33

[hubbs86]

How is one made righteous? is anyone righteous, save Christ? no. Noah was a man with a sinful nature and sinful desires, just like we are. If you read v8, it says 'he found favor', not 'he was righteous to begin with'... it say also that 'God looked at man (the human race) and saw they were continually evil.. not some men, but 'man'...

this video is tryin to take one verse and build an entire case against the sermon. it's full of holes, and he's needs to think through his argument again.

[PerishNot]

We are not talking about what made Noah righteous. The point is that Mark says the Noah was wicked and the bible says he was righteous. The bible says that Noah walked with God. Scripture also says without holiness no one will see the LORD. So, how did Noah walk with God if he was wicked as Mark claims?

[hubbs86]

It's the whole argument! Noah being righteous on his own is a much different story that God imparting righteousness to him because of Faith, after Noah believed.

HERE'S THE POINT. "Man" was completely and utterly evil all the time, according the Genesis. Noah was a? MAN. He falls into the MAN category. that's the point.

[NoseFullofAir]

What does it mean to walk with God?

[JoaquinJB]

Where does the scripture say that NOAH was evil continually??

Don't read into the scripture, if it contradicts your theology to read the context and the words straightforward, then you will have to choose which you love most; the scripture or theology.

So far it looks like man's theology is what is being defended.

Gen 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time.

[TrueBlueJMS]

@JoaquinJB Exactly. The Bible says that Noah was righteous IN HIS TIME, meaning of course in comparison to what was going on IN HIS TIME. It was a statement of comparison, showing that Noah had found favor in God's eyes.

It appears as though Timitheous has all day to listen to sermons and pick them apart using the "pick and choose" method of biblical study. And what's with him trying to equate Mark to burning people at the stake?

[hubbs86]

@JoaquinJB Seriously? So, Noah wasn't perfect (meaning he was a sinner, having a sinfull nature that opposed God, was one of the 'sheep gone astray' (Is. 53)) ...but he wasn't THAT bad? as in not as bad as the other sinners who also had a sinful nature and were living in rebellion towards God? And that's why God chose Noah? cause he was 'better'.... if Noah was a sinner, (which he was) then he's just as bad as everyone else... the difference is, he was given grace..

[JoaquinJB]

@hubbs86

Why is there no example given of a person given grace by God who is living in total rebellion? Noah wasn't living in total rebellion. There are 3 types of sinners: 1. those who are seeking God and walking humbly with Him who are not perfect but desire God's grace, 2. Those who care less and live for the world, flesh and devil. 3. Those who think they are better than others and feel their religion protects them.

Noah was the first, and it looks like the only one left.

[JoaquinJB]

@hubbs86

The question isn't if all men are sinners, any child can see that clear teaching from scripture. The question is what kind of sinner does God save and have a relationship with. Only the humble who see their need for God and by faith seek and trust Him are the saved sinners.

Hab 2:4 "Behold, as for the proud one, His soul is not right within him; But the righteous will live by his faith.

There is a difference between the proud sinner and the humble sinner.

Gen. 4:4 and Heb. 11:4

[JoaquinJB]

@hubbs86

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.

Was Job different from other men, or was he also living totally depraved?

Heb 10:38 BUT MY RIGHTEOUS ONE SHALL LIVE BY FAITH; AND IF HE SHRINKS BACK, MY SOUL HAS NO PLEASURE IN HIM.

Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.

[JoaquinJB]

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Where does it say he was regenerated?

[greekgoof]

If I were Driscoll, I would be embarrassed. So far, all of his followers disagree with him while trying to defend him. One was angry that the video quotes a verse, while completely happy Driscoll ignores the same verse. Everyone defends their theology, some with select verses, while re-writing two verses that contradict their theology. Genesis 6 does not say that Noah was wicked for most of his life. In fact, Genesis 7.1 says that God spared Noah because of his righteousness . . .

[greekgoof]

Here is a simple proof that demonstrates the ridiculousness of the theology in question. Dricollites read that Noah was wicked until God arbitrarily made him righteous. The verse that is ignored says that he was "blameless in his time" (6.9). Theology says that Noah lived wickedly. The Bible says that he was blameless. These are facts. There is nothing to debate. If one were to debate, he would only demonstrate the absurdity of his theology and his disregard for the Bible.

[cmyersbikes]

Romans 3:10-11, "None is righteous, NO, NOT ONE; no one understands; no one seeks for God." It was God's grace that made Noah righteous. He was not righteous and then God chose him. God chose him, which made him righteous.

And about Driscoll, this man studies more than most pastors out there, so I would be sure you know who you're dealing with. He's not making Youtube videos to prove his points.

[greekgoof]

I find it laughable that so far everyone arguing for Driscloll says that Noah was righteous. Look at the title of his video. Look at the verse that he ignores. To argue that Noah was righteous is to agree with this video and disagree with Driscoll.

And about him not making videos, are you kidding? he has a ton of videos. Go to his website. He has a video about making videos!

[PerishNot]

Mark says over and over Noah was not righteous, the bible says he was. Why did Mark fail to bring up verse 9 and verse 7:1? Because it destroys his sermon and theology. Mark says that Noah was wicked and he found favor in the sight of God, The bible says "Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God." Noah built an alter to the LORD because he walked with God, was greatful and wanted to honor the LORD who saved him..

[greekgoof]

Fact - Driscoll does not read the entire passage

Fact - Driscoll says that "everyone was only bad all the time, including Noah."

Fact - The Bible says that Noah was Blameless.

Fact - Driscoll entitles his video "Noah wasn't a Righteous Man"

Fact - The Bible says that Noah was Righteous

It is fruitless to argue against simple facts. Rethink your devotion to a teacher and his theology.

[fron052]

@greekgoof Hey let's look at verse Genesis 6:8 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. Not because of anything he did but by God's grace he was saved. My bible says that although 6:9 says that Noah was "righteous" and "blameless" does not mean that he never sinned (the Bible records one of his sins in 9:20). Driscoll's point is that people use that verse, 6:9 to say that if you are good God will save you or God will love you, etc.

[fron052]

@fron052 Driscoll's point is that Noah isn't better or more holier than anyone else living at that time. Through God's grace Noah was save. God made Noah righteous it was nothing Noah DID that is Driscoll's point. You notice the Bible says Noah found favor with the Lord before it says he was righteous. It would seem to me that through the favor Noah received from God that is what made him righteous. So Noah's righteousness comes from God and is not a product of something he did.

[fron052]

@fron052 So after Noah found favor with God I would assume that he walked with him. If we follow the order in which the verses are presented it fits just fine.

[chaneza]

@fron052 agreed. if you continue watching his sermon, Mark Driscoll continues on to include verse 9, in which he points out that Noah became righteous and blameless, AFTER he found favor in God's eyes, not before. His problem is that most of the time people leave out the favor part and go straight to the righteous part. But its impossible to be righteous without grace.

[brendos444]

@fron052 What part of "blameless" and "walked with God" don't you understand. Noah was "righteous" as scripture says.

[greekgoof]

@fron052

Driscoll – "Everyone's only bad all of the tiime, including Noah" (3:44)

The Bible – "Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time" (Gen. 6.9)

I don't really care about Driscoll's point if he arrived at it by heresy. You now need to choose if you are going to follow man's teaching or the Bible.

[hubbs86]

Besides, if you want to dig into the theology of it, is there anything that makes up righteous BESIDES the grace of God? no, there isn't. So, Noah receiving grace makes him righteous.

[greekgoof]

So you agree that Noah was/is righteous and that Driscoll is wrong.

[hubbs86]

What does the Bible say about you and me? hmm? sinners to the core. What did Jesus' sacrifice do for me? everything. HIS righteousness is counted to me. Does this mean that I personally am now righteous, or that Christ is righteous for me. do i continue then in sin? no. sanctification starts. am I all of a sudden a righteous person? no, but Jesus is. Abraham was counted righteous because of Faith, not good works. think about it.

[PerishNot]

Lets go to the Bible. "Then the LORD said to Noah, "Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation" Gen 7:1. It looks like the bible says that because Noah was righteous before the LORD, he could enter the ark. M.D. says Noah was not righteous. The bible says he was. Who will you choose to believe, God or man?

[hubbs86]

Dude, while you're sitting wathcing youtube and getting fat off popcorn, M.D. built a church and is preaching Jesus to thousands of people....Is making popcorn and reading one verse at a time the only thing you've got going for you?

[greekgoof]

Sounds like this video struck a cord. Praise God. I pray that you let go of empty religion, especially one in which a man builds a church, and that you embrace the simple truth of Scripture.

[PerishNot]

Mark is definitely growing a church. However," unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it . . ." Psalm 127:1 Jesus said ". . . I will build My church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18 Any one who has a congregation who laughs about the destruction of the whole world, has lost site of their postion. "...Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either" Romans 11:20-21 Seek Truth!

[ishellreal]

Amen!!!

[LebaneseMike]

great vid

[PerishNot]

Great video! It is amazing to me how people will disregard verses to keep their theology. Lets put down our ideas about God and just read the Bible and believe what it has to say. God is not imprssed with our ideas about Him, He cares about Truth!

[Deferio]

Awesome job!

I hope more people see this.

[sophismwins]

Dude! The Bible's hard to understand. That's why we have pastors. They help us to know the meaning behind the simple words on the page. You've missed the point, again!