3. Eph 2:8 salvation event is a free gift apart from works of any kind. Saved from our sins so that having been purified we might have a relatioshipwith God. After that we are BEING SAVED if indeed we bear fruit to God and we WILL BE SAVED when Jesus comes again. The last enemy to be destroyed is dead. He who does what is righteous IS righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil.
@StringPlunker Nice try on this interpretation on Eph. 2:8 AND 9. You have quite a few more proof texts to interpret and I hope you can do a better job on the rest o them. However, it is at least good to see that you understand that you are still a sinner on your way to hell since you are still relying on your own righteousness to quallify for heaven. I look forward to the rest of you attempts to twist the scriptures with the remainder of the verses on the list. Thank you for participating.
I noticed you could not demonstrate what I allegedly twisted.
Conversion event salvation is a free gift. After this event, we are BEING saved says the Bible. No here's a question for you. What are born again Christians being saved from?
@StringPlunker Don't pretend that you are really taking on this "challenge". The challenge requires that YOU interpet each one of the verses povided. So far you have attempted to interpret (twist) one of the verses. Only your first sentence in your comment is "interpreting" Eph. 2:8 and 9. The rest of your commentary is not stated in those verses. You have to make up your mind. Are you willing to play by the rules or are you going to waste everyone's time?
@StringPlunker 1 Cor. 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are SAVED it is the power of God."
Saved. Not being saved, not working out, not striving, not persevering, or any number of twists and perversions maligning the character of a God who gave His only uniquely perfect and begotten Son for us who ain't perfect.
@StringPlunker I don't believe even the most modern translation could muck up Romans 8 verse 30: "Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."
Sounds like God has already done something for those who BELIEVE. Last I checked, 'ed' at the end of a verb indicates past tense. Better get to out to the bookstore and find the latest (mis)translation of God's word.
@gore53 The Greek verb is not past tense. If you read the preceding context you would see that you are not glorified. Moroever, Paul is speaking to the Jewish segment of the Romans church. See 2:17; 3:8-9; 4:1; 7:1. Being God's people they were destined to become conformed to the image of God's Son which is why Paul goes on as he does at 9:1ff.
You must bear fruit or be cut off from the vine and cast into the fire.
1. No, since I was born again, I turned back to doing sins and I have not completely surrendered. I am a slave of sin since Jesus said that he who commits sin is a slave of sin and is of the devil doing his father's desires. Unless that changes, I am toast.
2. The works I need to be doing are the works of God which he prepares for me to do. His works are not filthy rags and He called me to do them. Unless I do them, bearing that fruit, I will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
So, you agree that Christians SHOULD be obedient, but state that it is not a matter of salvation. I agree. We are saved by faith apart from good works. But, if we ARE saved, we have the Holy Spirit in us, and He IS transforming us. That transformation is SEEN in works. It isn't the works which save, but they show us that we HAVE BEEN (past tense) saved. To try to work for salvation after being saved in our own power is just as wrong as you state it is.
@sincitypreacher Paul did not WANT to sin; in Romans 7, he HATED his sin. A true believer in Jesus as Lord and Savior, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, would WANT to change. They may be weak, and slow to progress. We should never judge others because we do not know their hearts. But a true heart change leads to a true wish for holiness, and if the wish is not there, then is it faith or an insurance policy? It's easy to say one believes. Toobe continued
@sincitypreacher I'm not talking about proving salvation because, as you rightly point out, "proving salvation" is working for salvation. 2 Corinthians 3:18 says that God, the Holy Spirit, changes us from glory to glory. So, we examine ourselves to see if we're changing from glory to glory. No remorse over sin makes me wonder if the Holy Spirit is actually inside me. I can't change in my own power, but as a Christian, I pray God changes me as I cooperate with Him.
@servantanna Your comments walk a fine line and that is the correct distinction but always remember your words "We should never judge others because we do not know their hearts".
@sincitypreacher Most proponents of Lordship Salvation are perceived to judge others hearts, but that is not common among Lordship Salvation believers. You try to caution against a works salvation; we attempt to caution against easy believism. The balance is in the middle. Jesus redeemed all sins on the cross, past present and future. The Holy Spirit, draws, brings to repentance, gives faith, sanctifies. Faith is in Jesus' as Savior, and Holy Spirit as sanctifier. Continued...
@servantanna It is not "easy" to trust in one man and one man alone who died 2000 years ago in an obscure country whom no one living has seen. It is not easy to believe that he died for our sins and was raised from the dead. It is not easy to trust in a book written thousands of years ago. I'm sure you can see where I am going with this. I object to this term "easy believism", because it is the furthest thing from "easy". In my first year as a Christian I was very confused and scared...
@Roy5595 What I mean by "easy" believism is to believe a "fact" without it touching your life. You state that you have seen a difference in your heart and life. You are relying on God to live through you. We are not perfect, but we do what the Bible says, believing by faith that God will bring about His intended result. We don't live by works, but by faith in HIS work -- on the cross, as He rose, and in our lives.
@servantanna I came across people like John MacArthur, Paul Washer, John Piper etc which SCARED me to death and absolutely stole my peace from me. I spent years just trying to get my doctrine straight after hearing nothing but condemnation from Youtube. This is why I do not support Lordship Salvation. It was a huge stumbling block to me. Thank God I have come across Grace preachers like Sincitypreacher and others. Otherwise I would still be cowering in the darkness of my own despair.
@Roy5595 That uneasiness you experienced was the Holy Spirit convicting you of... wait for it... Righteousness. You see, you are Righteous because of Him. Now when you hear some of these bastards (a biblical term) tell you otherwise, that you're not holy, or you are not righteous, the Holy Ghost rises within, telling you (nearly screaming at you) THAT"S A LIE. THAT MAN IS A LYING BASTARD. JESUS PAID THE DEBT AND YOU ARE HIS. YOU ARE HOLY AND BELOVED BY GOD... well, you get the point?
@servantanna Since then, by the Grace of God and no effort of my own, I have felt a change in my life and in my heart. I am far from perfect and I expect to struggle with myself for years to come. Listening to proponents of LS salvation, I hear nothing but Law, condemnation, and fire and brimstone. If that works for you, great. But for me and many others it just paralyzes us into inaction. I need to hear that God loves me and will help me along. It is a relationship not a battle with sin.
@sincitypreacher Repentance means that I have sinned, and want to stop sinning (or at least do better), but that I've tried in my own power and can't do it. Therefore, I ask God to do it in me, because I truly want to live as I should. I have faith in Jesus' saving work on my behalf, and on the Spirit's ability to help me meet my goal of being more loving. The "Lordship submission" part is where God says, "To do better, as you wanted, do this." To meet my goal, I say, "OK" and do it....
@sincitypreacher I am not submitteng to be saved, to prove that I'm saved, or to stay saved. I submit because I want to meet my goal of doing better since I repented. I I still love my sin, was it true repentance and faith? I examine myself; not others. If a dr told me to take aspiriin for a headache, I'd submit and take it.. The righteous live by faith in Jesus and through the Holy Spirit's work in sanctification. Not by deeds, but by faith in God's ability to change me when I cannot.
It is not that we are trying to change, or work in our own efforts, it is that we will see what God is doing in us. I don't judge other people, but 2 Corinthians 13:5 says to examine OURSELVES, not others, to see if WE are "in the faith". As we study God's word, and love God, He changes us from one likeness to the next, and we see that progress in ourselves. If we love God, why would we not want to do what He says? You call it "could" or "should." Continued...
I believe that receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior recognizes that we cannot save ourselves; only He can save us. We depend on Him totally. He makes us righteous in Christ, and then the Holy Spirit indwels us, and makes our lives conform to Christ's life. So the mark of a true Christian is having the Holy Spirit indwell us. I believe that all true Christians will change because the Holy Spirit is changing them -- therefore Christians will SEE those changes. More
I've come to believe that both proponents and opponents of Lordship Salvation are stating the same thing in different ways. I am a proponent of Lordship salvation. I do not believe this disagrees with the fact that we are saved by faith alone apart from works. Nor do I believe that any Christian is 100% obedient after salvation. Most who believe in Lordship salvation would agree with me on this. To be continued.
Its very clear that you are incapable of making a bad video. I visit your channel about once a week to watch one segment. There is too much wisdom to take in to watch multiple videos........BTW, are you on facebook?
Works are absolutely 100% necessary to be saved...Jesus' works...The thief on the cross is probably the best example of this. Its really hard to do works with your hands and feet nailed down..very difficult. Now..that I think it about it thats us..our hands and feet are nailed down by sin so that we can't do works of righteousness until we are crucified with Christ and alive in him. Good video!
I love Jesus Christ and have full faith in His atoning death and His blood shed for our sins....I also know that the Lord told us to keep His commandments...
I have not been sinless since being Saved...still I believe in God's mercy...
I think we should do our best to do good...but I personally do not consider myself nearly good enough to be Saved yet I still believe that I am Saved,,,
Unfortunately, your logic is faulty. True faith is a faith that obeys, and works. But you are justified by faith, not works. Your error is that you are treating salvation as an event instead of a process. Justification occurs at an event, just one of many on the road OF salvation.
@RobertMOdell It is painfully obvious that you do not have the character to stand up for your beliefs. If you could defend your heresy you would actually answer the 3 questions in the CHALLENGE. Until you are ready to do that...then don't contact me again.
@sincitypreacher I just wanted to say that I love you Brother Luke. You have put a lot of time and effort into your channel over the last few years in efforts to share your beliefs with everyone. You seem to be very dedicated to your faith. After viewing some of your videos I feel that you are curious about the Catholic faith. If you want, you are more than welcome to come to an RCIA meeting and learn about the Catholic faith and what it's truly about. Thanks for your time.
@jacksmack77 Thank you Brother. I am disappointed that the the self righteous religious Pharisees (works salvation heretics) have not stepped up and accepted the Challenge. However, in part 2 of the Challenge, Yvonne did take the Challenge and she was converted to GRACE AND FAITH ALONE.
Let me ask you this brother, is the breaking then of God's commandments a sign you are saved? Paul said do we then make vpoid the law because we are under grace? GOD forbid" I 100% agree we are not justified nor saved by our works it is By FAITH, yes brother, but Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." This is completely a gift of God amen it is not of me, In me is NO good thing i will vid r
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Not about works or just faith, it's doing the will of God W/O boasting!
@RicoRicanNYC Those verses are about YOU. Jesus is saying if you are trying to be justified (saved) by the things YOU HAVE DONE instead of what JESUS HAS DONE FOR YOU then you did not trust JESUS...you trusted your own works.
I believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior then you are saved however if you don't repent and turn from sin your as good as dead. Works could be being used by God to lead people to Christ or any other thing God wants to use you for who knows you could end up in Africa feeding hungry Mouths or In a tough part of the world spreading the Gospel where they are killing Christians, it's up to God. If you have true Faith in Christ and repent often then God can use you as he see fit.
@sincitypreacher 1. yes I have sinned after accepting Jesus however I have repented and let go of alot of bad habits.
2. My works on a daily basis are random, whatever God puts on my heart. I try and lead Atheist to the lord, spread Gospel, Debate evolutionist, help others exc..
3. I agree "not by works" however a saved person automatically does Good works because a good tree bring good fruit. You still have to Repent and try not to continue sinful life style.
@RicoRicanNYC Your answer is a classic example of "double talk". #1 You say; "yes I have sinned after accepting Jesus". THEN in #3 you say: "a saved person automatically does Good works". CAN'T YOU SEE THE CONTRADICTION THERE? Also, in my opinion, the works that you are "boasting" about seem very, very meager to me. Next watch part 2 of THE CHALLENGE.
@sincitypreacher C'mon stop being Ridiculous!! I am not BOASTING this is Talking with excessive pride and self-satisfaction about one's achievements. Answering question is not Boasting and I don't walk around in the streets bragging. I think your making more out of this then you have to. I answer correctly and I see you have an issue so I will let you go on with this ridiculous idea that Christians don't do work. Guess all those led into Africa and around the world are boasting huh?
@RicoRicanNYC Please re-read my previous comment to you. Why can't you see the HYPOCRICY in your 2 statements. That is the definition of HYPOCRICY...saying one thing but doing another thing. And don't misrepresent my message. I am NOT saying DO NOT DO GOOD WORKS! I am saying that our works do not cause or maintain our salvation. Rico, maybe you should just move on with your (prideful) life. I don't think you comprehend the simplicity of the cross.
@sincit I am not in any way prideful!! This is incorrect and your the one that is complicating a simple reality. When a person gets saved and follows Christ they WILL AUTOMATICALLY DO GOOD WORKS, NOT TO BOAST BUT THEY JUST GET USED BY GOD NATURALLY. We already know that it's not by works alone however my point is different and your just not getting it. Faith W/O works is dead! Not Boasting this is a different situation. Narrow is the Gate and few who find it? Why few?
Now, if one has the Holy Spirit, and lives long enough, will the Holy Spirit work on him/her? Absolutely. It doesn’t always happen over night, but it does happen over time…sometimes a long time. That process of sanctification should not be confused with salvation. Once we place our faith in Christ by God’s grace, that is what saves us. Walking and living our lives in faith with the help of the Holy Spirit is a part of the process too, but it is a different issue than salvation.
the bible says clearly not everyone that says to me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven but he that doeth the will of my father. By your comments below you state since Abraham recieved the promise everything else was mute. So i ascertain by this that you have made a choice to believe and consider yourself saved and thats it God has no active part in your life that you need to obey because you are already saved!!
@TheLeprechaun67 Again, you are twisting my words. It is the scriptures that state Abraham received the promise. I said your points are moot since they have no basis in reality. You can misinterpret and misapply scripture all you want but it doesn't change the fact that Abraham was justified by faith and not works.
I don't just consider myself saved. I am saved and have been since I was a child. I learned about salvation by reading the scriptures.
@TheLeprechaun67 Even as a child I understood the simplicity of the Gospel. It is the ones that think they can save themselves by their own works and self-righteousness that stumble over the stumbling stone.
God has no active part in my life??? Now that is a bold faced lie. I have a personal relationship with Christ and I commune with him all the time. It is God who judges the heart and not you. Case closed.
@StandForTheFaith again you swerved right off the subject of what James what getting at good job., and your right the ones who think they can save themselves by their own works as the bible says in Rom 11:6 what was the Grace that was extended to Saul as he was heading to damascus to bind all who preached in the name of Jesus because truthfully if Paul tells you in Rom 10:17 how faith comes would he exclude himself? Theres a difference from belief and faith
@TheLeprechaun67 You have understood completely nothing and are wasting my time so irregardless of any future posts this is my last one to you. I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time explaining grace to you since you don't accept what the scriptures say but distort them for your own purposes.
Grace came through Jesus Christ.
Grace is unmerited favor.
Grace is God's mercy.
Believing in Christ that he died for you and was resurrected.
@StandForTheFaith yes and I believe in a third way to salvation that not one person in scripture can be measured by! The accept receive and believe- the I made a decision and now I am saved! Paul when he quotes in Rom 10 who hath believed our report referring to Isaiah 53 because nothing else was published and accepted as truth even he didnt believe Jesus was the Christ until Acts 9:5 so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. even Eph 2:8-10 make sense and James 2 fits
(deleted comment cause of my typing error) what you basically just said in your comments by the point being mute because he had already received the promise is that since he received the promise it didnt matter whether or not he obeyed God. Since Ananias already received the promise it didnt matter whether or not he obeyed Jesus to seek out Saul? God has nothing to do with his children testing them? theres one whole chapter in Hebrews dedicated to this.
@TheLeprechaun67 You said that I didn't. I never said it doesn't matter if you obey God. The subject here is how you are justified. You are justified by believing and having faith not by works. The faith comes first and then the works follow. God did test Abraham and the scriptures attest to this. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his one and only son because he put his total faith and trust in God.
10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[a] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[b]
Notice it says that the righteous will live by faith? It does not say that the righteous will live by their works. Very important distinction.
@StandForTheFaith you know the funniest thing about this is those of you who claim to accept receive and believe that you are saved by your own decision are living a lie and are the ones living by works if its not by his call and your obeying then its not of faith its your own work. You choose to be saved not God choosing you! As I see by his second video the Challenge 2 on this subject thats just what he did he made a decision of hiw own will to be saved! Good going !!!
@TheLeprechaun67 You know the funniest thing is that every time truth is proclaimed the Devil always sends someone to poke holes into it. I assume you are of the Calvinist persuasion by your comment. The Bible is clear that without faith it is impossible to please God. The faith comes from you and it is not a work but a condition of your heart.
Romans 4:5 NIV
5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
There is a fine line between grace and works and a lot of people cross the line. It is very important to make distinctions between faith and works, justification and sanctification, etc. The focus needs to be Christ and not self. Trust 100 percent in Christ for your salvation and in yourself and your own works 0 percent.
Maybe some people have a hard time believing that God loves them enough to save them based on his mercy and not on their own good works and self-righteousness.
@StandForTheFaith .This man issues a challenge then calls people frauds and every name in the book (you have been exposed) for what to exalt himself (Pride) as if he alone has all the answers then you want to call someone who responds in league with the devil. Im not a calvanist but if being a calvanist consist of realizing that no one comes to God except through his call then you can call me that! I never heard of calvanism till I came to youtube!
@TheLeprechaun67 why is it that decisional salvation leaves out Gods call and makes one saved by their own willpower? Show me one person in bible who got saved by making a decision and im not talking tongues of flame unless you saw them fall on you! did you? Im talking self justified faith which is what it is. not faith by obeying Gods call!
@TheLeprechaun67 You are saved by having faith in Christ. Faith is believing and putting your trust in Christ alone for your salvation. This is not willpower but comes from the heart. It is with the heart that you believe and are justified as the Bible clearly teaches.
@StandForTheFaith think about Sauls conversion when you quote Romans 19:9,10 and ask yourself did Saul come to faith by those 2 verses when he knew who Jesus was calling him Lord insomuch as he obeyed him and went to damascus as he asked for 3 days fasting and in prayer was he saved according to Rom 8:9 or did he have to wait until Ananias came and laid hands on him? Acts 5:32
@TheLeprechaun67 Yes, why don't you think about Saul's conversion. If you had an encounter like that with the resurrected Christ are you saying that you would not have had faith and believed in him??? Saul's conversion was a special case and the scripture states why in 1 Timothy 1:16 NIV
16But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.
@StandForTheFaith yes that right hes special he was chosen by God as all christians are. Rom 4:13 clearly shows those who are of the seed of Abraham would be justified through faith the same faith as he exhibited, now how was Abraham justified again by a slef belief or by what God asked of him?
@TheLeprechaun67 This is my last response to you. I am busy making some videos.
Romans 4:1-3 NIV
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
@StandForTheFaith Abraham was justified because he obeyed God and James clearly called that a work but what you dont understand is that the work is an action in response to his call without it you cannot be saved theres a defining difference between what Paul is calling works in Eph 2:8 and what James is implying Paul is referring to Gal 2: and Acts 15 (why compellest the gentiles to live as jews) James is referring to the act that accompanies obeying God as Saul did obeying Jesus! Acts 5:32
@TheLeprechaun67 I have been thinking about what you are saying and I know that Abraham was justified by faith alone but now I can show you in the scriptures since I have more time. If the work you are referring to is the offering of his son Isaac then you should know that that was meant as a test of his faith and happened after he believed and received the promise from God. So your point is moot. Scriptural proof follows:
3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
Genesis 15 NIV
4 Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir." 6 Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
Abraham was credited with righteousness before Isaac was even born.
17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring[a] will be reckoned."[b]
This verse clearly says that Abraham had already received the promises.
20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
@StandForTheFaith James is not referring to the promise that had been given to Abraham he was referring to the action that accompanied listening to God. as God tested Abraham Gen 22:2 --And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son---- And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
@TheLeprechaun67 I don't think you are understanding this correctly. Read the verses again. Abraham received the promise and he was credited as righteous before his son Isaac was even born. The offering of Isaac was a test of his faith and the scripture I quoted clearly states that.
@StandForTheFaith oh this has everything to do with this video this man proclaims that faith alone saves and without Sauls obeying Jesus to go to damascus would he ave been saved or Ananias if he didnt obey Jesus and seek out Saul would Saul have been saved the truth is Jame is 100% correct according to verse 2:17 faith without works is dead alone! you either listen to God or you dont! Heb 4:2 James 2:19 theres a difference in belief and saving faith
@TheLeprechaun67 This man as you call him is telling you the truth. He is not full of pride but exposing the self-righteous pride of the legalistic works or Lordship Salvationist proponents. He knows they are full of it and is just trying to get them to realize that. Of course they are going to be angry. The religious Pharisees hated Christ and persecuted him and it is no different now with the modern day Pharisees that attack believer's in Christ.
@StandForTheFaith if you really think about what Saul did youd see he didnt come to faith until he was stopped by Jesus in fact he was on his way to bind all who called on the name of Jesus until that moment! when did faith come for him? and when did he get baptized with the Holy Spirit? atter he obeyed what Jesus asked or does Rom 10:9,10 hold water on its own here?
I already answered you! And it is like salvation you can except it or reject it anytime you want! That is why you have Christians going to the musleums or J.W or mormons rejecting the very trinity of the God Head of our creator.
This is a great teaching! I know not one of us is sinless except Jesus. we must take all our sins to our Father and ask for forgiveness. I think the people who think once saved always saved better wake up if they continue to sin! God knows the heart. And if you are truly saved and you keep on doing the same sin or example~ commit murder ask your selves I am really saved? You must take it to the lord and you can't go on sinning You would not have the desire to keep sinning We all fall sometimes !
I believe it is faith that is the introduction to our salvation (Rom 5:2), but it is not by faith ALONE. I say this because that's not what the Bible teaches. If it said faith ALONE we would not need James chapter 2.
@sincitypreacher nobodyspecial85 is right Acts 5:32 God only gives his Holy Spirit to those who obey him! Think of James 2:17 and Sauls conversion would Saul have received the Holy Spirit had he not listened to Jesus and gone to Damascus Heb 4:2,7? Think of Rom 10:17 and ask yourself how does that apply to Saul? James is correct when he states Faith without works is dead. As even Ananias illustrates when he listens to Jesus and seeks out Saul what if Ananias hadnt listened to Jesus?
@histruth777 Gal 2 and Acts 15 refers to those in the circumcision who wanted to instill the ordinances of God onto the gentiles as evident from this "If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" But real faith requires listening to God not just a belief even the devils believe and tremble
@sincitypreacher i gave an answer to question number three without obeying Jesus you cannot be save. its not a decision on your part and then you are saved ! God chooses you listen without obeying theres no way you can have the Holy Spirit. Faith is not faith unless theres a call to respond to!! my previous post show just that, Abraham wasnt justified by just belief his actions in response to God were what justified him.Rom 4:13 ABRAHAM or HIS SEED THROUGH the righteouness of faith
@sincitypreacher people toss faith around like its just a simple belief! God isnt real hes just there to believe in. He doesnt ask you to do things he doesnt chastise you hes just there to believe in, theres no communication it just is. No wonder people convert to athiesm faith is only what people choose to consider real to them. And that has nothing to do with listening to him and obeying him Mat 7:21
@histruth777 I thought you said you were going to accept the CHALLENGE??? When are you going to answer the 3 QUESTIONS posed in the CHALLENGE? If you do not answer THOSE questions then DO NOT PRETEND THAT YOU "ACCEPTED" THE CHALLENGE!
@sincitypreacher i never said i was going to accept any challenge other than to show you that your understanding or the gist of this video is nothing but to put christians at odds with you. Paul didnt come to faith by hisself he came to faith when Jesus intervened on the road to damascus and he obeyed Jesus Acts 5:32 remember he was heading to Damascus to bind all who preached in the name of Jesus So faith came by the call Rom 10:17 Gal 1:15,16= Eph 2:8
@histruth777 Paul understood nothing he did woudlve saved him except for that call nothing wouldve changed his path! his act from the moment he listened to Jesus to the moment that Ananias appeared you cant see that Jame 2:17 applies?
@histruth777 Did you watch the video? Did you notice the name of the video? You continue to avoid the questions posed in the CHALLENGE. Some people might be getting the impression that you are afraid to take on the CHALLENGE because you would be proven WRONG.
@sincitypreacher you say that faith alone saves without works and I showed you that works are a part of faith. I answered your challenge there is no need to answer all 3 your just trying to draw me into an argument with you over the other 2 points that really have no bearing - you have to be saved first for the other 2 to apply.1st John is not a good book to base your thesis on after he says everyone that believes Jesus is Christ is born of God how many denominations out there do you agree with?
@histruth777 1st John was written in a time when Jesus was not accepted among the circumcision. Do you think the new testament was written and common knowledge when the apostles were out there preaching about Jesus as Paul says in Rom 10:16 referring to Isaiah 53 who hath believed our report no one believed Jesus was the Christ not even Paul hence Rom 10:17 so then Faith cometh by hearing. How did Saul come to faith again?
~Brother Luke, "THE CHALLENGE" Q1. RE; stopped sinning?? There is no sin charge applicable, The Judge has/does "passover" ALL my error. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation... 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Q2. RE: works?? i confess Jesus 2 or 3 times a day before i eat food. Q3 RE: faith alone verses:?? James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, ***and not by faith only.*** (part 2 of 2)
@zacqt Well, I really thought you might do better than that. Really? THAT is your answer. Ok…I gave you ample time to answer the 3 QUESTIONS and now the whole world can see you as a “double talker”. I gave you enough rope and you certainly hung yourself.
@zacqt You said (1) your sins are forgiven (2) Your were still trying to justify yourself by YOUR works. That is a contradiction to your (1) point. And I must add that your “works” seem quite measely in my opinion. Then (3) you do not explain/refute even ONE of the many verses that I listed for FAITH ALONE. Then because you FAILED the CHALLENGE, you dismiss it as “ungodly”. You have been EXPOSED.
If works could save us, then Christ wouldn't have had to die on the cross. We are only saved through the grace of God. AMEN! One he lives in us, he changes us and any good works that comes out of us is because of him. He is Worthy of all praise. Jesus Rules! :) :) Love you brother!>
~Brother Luke, do you think there's a danger in getting legalistic about attaining the minimum standard, that is, justifying salvation as a form of fire insurance. Do you think that complacency puts some in danger of building on the sand? Jude v4 warns about abusing grace and denying Gen~Rev & The Father. Paul teaches repentance in Roman 12v1,*2*&3. I agree with the general point you make in this video. I do also feel legalism from either side of the narrow road can put many at risk. Thanks
@zacqt Hello Brother. Thank you for your question. Your question is too complex to answer in a short text message. If you will take the time to watch this playlist (FROM BIRTH TO ETERNITY)...I believe you will understand how all these considerations fit together. If you watch it, let me know what you think. Luke
@sincitypreacher Brother Luke, would be nice if you did a third video attached to this series, so as to bring some important balance to the table. Even the most extreme legalist have to concede salvation is a gift of grace,.However to "boast" that we do nothing gives many justification to live like the devil. The "slippery slope"(vid#2) there can be spiritual boasting from both sides of the narrow road. I think many of us will have a more sober attitude when we stand before Christ. llCor5v9~21
@zacqt Thank you for your letter. I hope you will watch my 2 playlists: SALVATION THROUGH YOUR WORKS IS HERESY and FROM BIRTH TO ETERNITY. I believe that faith and works are put into the proper perspective in these videos. I hope you will watch them and then tell me what you think. Luke
@sincitypreacher, Brother Luke, RE: other vid's: both you & i would agree that salvation is more like an ambulance than a walking stick. My concern is rather that man makes a distinction between justification & sanctification but God doesn't. God is the Author & Finisher. To endeavor to legally separate God's gift of grace-"new life, born again" etc does technically infer change apart from a free ticket to glory. There is no 1on 1 account in the Word where salvation lacked humility. James 2v24
We don't repent, obey commandments or do any other good work in order to be saved, but because we love Jesus and He has already saved us. The outward works that we do, as imperfect as they are, are only an evidence or fruit of our salvation, not the root of it. If there is no evidence in our lives that God's grace is manifested by good works, that may be evidence we have not truly received God's grace, and, in fact are not saved. A mere profession of faith is not the same as genuine faith.
I submit, however, that it is possible to have a genuine experience in faith and to have received God's grace, and be in a state of justification, but then later to turn your back on God and to ultimately reject His grace by placing your faith in your own "good" work as opposed to God's. That is the reason for the need of a pre-Advent judgment. That's not to say that we lose our salvation, because it's always there. But, we may reject it, though we once embraced it.
I find it very interesting that after hundreds of views on this video I still do not have a single person who has dared to specifically answer the 3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS.
I agree,Galatians exposes false religions & says people are not justified by the law but by grace ... Romans 6:14 says "For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace".
I know that it sounds like I am making a stump speach, or trying to sell snake oil here, but our words are limited and time is always short. So I apologize for being to quick or short with people. We all recoginze that Grace is something that we all appreciate and should be very thankful for, I just feel the need to quote the scriptures that also lead to our Heavenly home. Thanks again Luke for the shared time and comments.
Brother, you seemed to blinded by the Devil on your preoccupation with the idea of works. You need to pray for the Holy Ghost experience to come into your life. When that happens, you will begin to understand the teaching comfort that comes with the Holy Spirit presence in ALL of our lives. REPENTANCE is not works, its a mission statement for the followers of Christ Jesus.
@sincitypreacher I did get to respond today, I am truelly surprised that you allowed it. I apreciate that as well. I like to plant seeds for better understanding away from the old OSAS eternal security etc etc.
Others told me that they were blocked from saying anything at all on your channel or videos. So I was pleasantly surprised.
@youslackers I do not allow comments without approval (except from "friends") on some of my videos because I don't want debate or heresies presented. BUT, THIS VIDEO IS OPEN FOR DEBATE. However, none of the oppenents will answer the 3 questions that I have posed.
@sincitypreacher Amen bro Luke, I may have to leave before I lose my temper with this tard, and having deedee as friend, tells me all I need to know, see Luke, these are the stiff necked ones, perfect example of those pharisees in Acts 6.
Did you ever hear the saying "Dont let a stranger cut your hair"?? Be careful who allow to speak into your life. They heap upon themselves teachers with itchy ears.
The Bible commands us not to have fellowship with those that walk disorderly. Any doctrine that does not preach repentance through Christ Jesus, let that doctrine be accursed.
The key is:1 Jo 3;6 Everyone that sins breaks the law, in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. (7) Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil.
In order to sin and break the law you must have a law to break. We are not under law but under grace. In fact, according to Romans 4, the man who does not work at all, but simply believes on the One who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
@Kloudes So you are saying that you can murder rape, and rob someone tonight and not go to HELL, but go to Heaven instead? I think that OSAS and calvinism was one of the worst curses on the modern church that ever hit town. What deception is a foot. The TEN Commandments are still very much in affect, I hate to tell you, they have not been done away with.
@Kloudes I encourage everyone that watches this video to open thier understanding to what the Spirit of the Lord has to church to us,, The Last Days Church. The Spirit is a teacher, and a comforter. Not only that, but the Holy Spirit will convict us WHEN WE DO WRONG. The Lord said that he will chasten us when we do wrong. If he did not correct us, then we would be called bastards, and not children of God.
Amen bro, "youslackers" is one them pentecostals that try to place the believer in pentecost, "WHAT SHALL WE DO" is the Jews in Acts 2 :22, 36 not GENTILES! Obeying is trusting the Gospel of Grace, that Christ done everything already. youslacker failed the challenge and is in need of some teaching.
@GPAPoetics It seems that you like to pick and choose alittle over here, and alittle over, here alittle, there alittle. Thats great in the grocery produce section, but Hell when it comes to your salvation. Many there be that will enter at the wide gate, and broad path that leads to destruction. Few there be that will enter into the straight and narrow gate, that leads to Christ. Good luck with your plan.
I don't see anyone answering the challenge, though. Just a lot of people beating around the bush. It's just like in the Book of Acts during Stephen's ministry: they are putting requirements for salvation that they themselves cannot endure.
@youslackers Wait a minute jackass, you better crawl back to your denominational hole, apparently, you can't accept the challenge, you are still stuck at pentecost lol....
@GPAPoetics Thank you for letting me know what you inteligence and christian commitment level is. Thats why I say its like teaching children how to finger pant. 1 Jo 3;9 No one that is born of God will continue to sin, because he has been born of God.This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right in NOT a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.( NIV) Sin will seperate us from a Holy God.
@youslackers No no, thank you for showing us what a legalistic idiot you are, and I went by your channel, and once again, I SEE you have no teaching videos, just like your legalistic followers, and BTW, you sure are hanging around Luke's video, maybe you will get saved...
@GPAPoetics I do plan on making it to Heaven. As for the OSAS eternal security crowd, I hope that they awaken soon. I always take the opportunity to offer a clearer understanding to anyone that will hear. A seed is all that is needed to offer someone hope and a plan. Bro Luke opened up his channel for me to respond when others were refused and blocked before. So I appreciate any opps. to tell folks of repentance and Christs salvation plan for this last days world we live in.
@youslackers You calling Luke a coward? Where are your teaching videos? You are to damn stupid to make any, am I right? Just like all you idiots, that claim 1st John as doctrine for the church. Let me ask you, you are without sin? You are sinless? LOL, dream on wanker.
@GPAPoetics Once again, thanks for the baptist philosphy of OSAS and eternal security. I understand your anger when challenged by the word of God. I would ask that you try not to curse, when talking about the things of God. The hope is to desciple, not discourage. Prayer always works in that area.
Dont be hung up on works. God demands obedience. We must follow peace with all men, and HOLINESS. Without which no man will see the Lord. Luke 24;47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. KJV. IF you go to the dictionary and read definitions on OBEDIENCE and Works. You will begin to see the Operative words of the Bible. I trust that you will open your understanding.
What did Jesus have to die for, if we could just be justified by the works of the law?
Also, who says that just because he preaches salvation by grace then that means he doesn't do anything for God? You obviously haven't watched many of this guy's videos. These guys make me wish I did more for God. :)
The only difference between grace believers and works believers is our motive for service.
@Kloudes Its understandable that you couldnt easily grasp what I was saying. It starts to become like teaching children to read. Its a process. Its not works, dear, Its OBEDIENCE. You follow Christs teachings, not Corruptible man. You confess your sins, You then repent ,(change your ways), then you seek the infilling of the Holy Ghost, for strength and understanding. Water baptism is one part of this obedience process. I always tell people to read the Bible and learn
@Kloudes Its not easy for people to accept the teachings of Jesus. Most stood around with a rock in thier hand, ready to kill him. They couldnt understand.
Its not works that we follow Christ, or reward. We follow every word in the teaching so as not to stumble, or cause someone else to stumble.
If you refuse to repent, and change your ways, then you are still a sinner, not a reluctant saint. Carnal christians,, will not enter into Heaven. They are not saved at all.
The question that is in your discription is "What must we do" ? Acts 2;37 Men and bretheren what shall we do? Acts2;38 REPENT and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of sins, and ye shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. (3) And the PROMISE is unto you. Notice: what must we do? You have to repent, and receive the Holy Ghost to complete the salvation plan. Thats Gods simple biblical plan of salvation. NOT works, but OBEDIENCE.
3. Eph 2:8 salvation event is a free gift apart from works of any kind. Saved from our sins so that having been purified we might have a relatioshipwith God. After that we are BEING SAVED if indeed we bear fruit to God and we WILL BE SAVED when Jesus comes again. The last enemy to be destroyed is dead. He who does what is righteous IS righteous just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil.
StringPlunker 1 month ago
@StringPlunker Nice try on this interpretation on Eph. 2:8 AND 9. You have quite a few more proof texts to interpret and I hope you can do a better job on the rest o them. However, it is at least good to see that you understand that you are still a sinner on your way to hell since you are still relying on your own righteousness to quallify for heaven. I look forward to the rest of you attempts to twist the scriptures with the remainder of the verses on the list. Thank you for participating.
sincitypreacher 1 month ago
@sincitypreacher
I noticed you could not demonstrate what I allegedly twisted.
Conversion event salvation is a free gift. After this event, we are BEING saved says the Bible. No here's a question for you. What are born again Christians being saved from?
StringPlunker 1 month ago
@StringPlunker Don't pretend that you are really taking on this "challenge". The challenge requires that YOU interpet each one of the verses povided. So far you have attempted to interpret (twist) one of the verses. Only your first sentence in your comment is "interpreting" Eph. 2:8 and 9. The rest of your commentary is not stated in those verses. You have to make up your mind. Are you willing to play by the rules or are you going to waste everyone's time?
sincitypreacher 1 month ago
@StringPlunker 1 Cor. 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are SAVED it is the power of God."
Saved. Not being saved, not working out, not striving, not persevering, or any number of twists and perversions maligning the character of a God who gave His only uniquely perfect and begotten Son for us who ain't perfect.
gore53 1 month ago
@StringPlunker I don't believe even the most modern translation could muck up Romans 8 verse 30: "Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."
Sounds like God has already done something for those who BELIEVE. Last I checked, 'ed' at the end of a verb indicates past tense. Better get to out to the bookstore and find the latest (mis)translation of God's word.
gore53 1 month ago
@gore53 The Greek verb is not past tense. If you read the preceding context you would see that you are not glorified. Moroever, Paul is speaking to the Jewish segment of the Romans church. See 2:17; 3:8-9; 4:1; 7:1. Being God's people they were destined to become conformed to the image of God's Son which is why Paul goes on as he does at 9:1ff.
You must bear fruit or be cut off from the vine and cast into the fire.
StringPlunker 1 month ago
1. No, since I was born again, I turned back to doing sins and I have not completely surrendered. I am a slave of sin since Jesus said that he who commits sin is a slave of sin and is of the devil doing his father's desires. Unless that changes, I am toast.
2. The works I need to be doing are the works of God which he prepares for me to do. His works are not filthy rags and He called me to do them. Unless I do them, bearing that fruit, I will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
StringPlunker 1 month ago
Faith is kinda like you believe or you don't
FitnessMinded 3 months ago
So, you agree that Christians SHOULD be obedient, but state that it is not a matter of salvation. I agree. We are saved by faith apart from good works. But, if we ARE saved, we have the Holy Spirit in us, and He IS transforming us. That transformation is SEEN in works. It isn't the works which save, but they show us that we HAVE BEEN (past tense) saved. To try to work for salvation after being saved in our own power is just as wrong as you state it is.
servantanna 3 months ago
@servantanna I don't find fault in any of your comments here but I want to ask you to watch my video CARNAL CHRISTIANS. Thank you.
sincitypreacher 3 months ago
@sincitypreacher Paul did not WANT to sin; in Romans 7, he HATED his sin. A true believer in Jesus as Lord and Savior, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, would WANT to change. They may be weak, and slow to progress. We should never judge others because we do not know their hearts. But a true heart change leads to a true wish for holiness, and if the wish is not there, then is it faith or an insurance policy? It's easy to say one believes. Toobe continued
servantanna 3 months ago
@sincitypreacher I'm not talking about proving salvation because, as you rightly point out, "proving salvation" is working for salvation. 2 Corinthians 3:18 says that God, the Holy Spirit, changes us from glory to glory. So, we examine ourselves to see if we're changing from glory to glory. No remorse over sin makes me wonder if the Holy Spirit is actually inside me. I can't change in my own power, but as a Christian, I pray God changes me as I cooperate with Him.
servantanna 3 months ago
@servantanna Your comments walk a fine line and that is the correct distinction but always remember your words "We should never judge others because we do not know their hearts".
sincitypreacher 3 months ago
@sincitypreacher Most proponents of Lordship Salvation are perceived to judge others hearts, but that is not common among Lordship Salvation believers. You try to caution against a works salvation; we attempt to caution against easy believism. The balance is in the middle. Jesus redeemed all sins on the cross, past present and future. The Holy Spirit, draws, brings to repentance, gives faith, sanctifies. Faith is in Jesus' as Savior, and Holy Spirit as sanctifier. Continued...
servantanna 3 months ago
@servantanna It is not "easy" to trust in one man and one man alone who died 2000 years ago in an obscure country whom no one living has seen. It is not easy to believe that he died for our sins and was raised from the dead. It is not easy to trust in a book written thousands of years ago. I'm sure you can see where I am going with this. I object to this term "easy believism", because it is the furthest thing from "easy". In my first year as a Christian I was very confused and scared...
Roy5595 1 month ago
@Roy5595 What I mean by "easy" believism is to believe a "fact" without it touching your life. You state that you have seen a difference in your heart and life. You are relying on God to live through you. We are not perfect, but we do what the Bible says, believing by faith that God will bring about His intended result. We don't live by works, but by faith in HIS work -- on the cross, as He rose, and in our lives.
servantanna 1 month ago
@servantanna Fair enough. Thank you for the fellowship and discussion in PMs!
Roy5595 1 month ago
@servantanna I came across people like John MacArthur, Paul Washer, John Piper etc which SCARED me to death and absolutely stole my peace from me. I spent years just trying to get my doctrine straight after hearing nothing but condemnation from Youtube. This is why I do not support Lordship Salvation. It was a huge stumbling block to me. Thank God I have come across Grace preachers like Sincitypreacher and others. Otherwise I would still be cowering in the darkness of my own despair.
Roy5595 1 month ago
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gore53 1 month ago
@Roy5595 That uneasiness you experienced was the Holy Spirit convicting you of... wait for it... Righteousness. You see, you are Righteous because of Him. Now when you hear some of these bastards (a biblical term) tell you otherwise, that you're not holy, or you are not righteous, the Holy Ghost rises within, telling you (nearly screaming at you) THAT"S A LIE. THAT MAN IS A LYING BASTARD. JESUS PAID THE DEBT AND YOU ARE HIS. YOU ARE HOLY AND BELOVED BY GOD... well, you get the point?
gore53 1 month ago
@gore53 Haha, thank you brother! I do see it now :)
Roy5595 1 month ago
@servantanna Since then, by the Grace of God and no effort of my own, I have felt a change in my life and in my heart. I am far from perfect and I expect to struggle with myself for years to come. Listening to proponents of LS salvation, I hear nothing but Law, condemnation, and fire and brimstone. If that works for you, great. But for me and many others it just paralyzes us into inaction. I need to hear that God loves me and will help me along. It is a relationship not a battle with sin.
Roy5595 1 month ago
@sincitypreacher Repentance means that I have sinned, and want to stop sinning (or at least do better), but that I've tried in my own power and can't do it. Therefore, I ask God to do it in me, because I truly want to live as I should. I have faith in Jesus' saving work on my behalf, and on the Spirit's ability to help me meet my goal of being more loving. The "Lordship submission" part is where God says, "To do better, as you wanted, do this." To meet my goal, I say, "OK" and do it....
servantanna 3 months ago
@sincitypreacher I am not submitteng to be saved, to prove that I'm saved, or to stay saved. I submit because I want to meet my goal of doing better since I repented. I I still love my sin, was it true repentance and faith? I examine myself; not others. If a dr told me to take aspiriin for a headache, I'd submit and take it.. The righteous live by faith in Jesus and through the Holy Spirit's work in sanctification. Not by deeds, but by faith in God's ability to change me when I cannot.
servantanna 3 months ago
It is not that we are trying to change, or work in our own efforts, it is that we will see what God is doing in us. I don't judge other people, but 2 Corinthians 13:5 says to examine OURSELVES, not others, to see if WE are "in the faith". As we study God's word, and love God, He changes us from one likeness to the next, and we see that progress in ourselves. If we love God, why would we not want to do what He says? You call it "could" or "should." Continued...
servantanna 3 months ago
I believe that receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior recognizes that we cannot save ourselves; only He can save us. We depend on Him totally. He makes us righteous in Christ, and then the Holy Spirit indwels us, and makes our lives conform to Christ's life. So the mark of a true Christian is having the Holy Spirit indwell us. I believe that all true Christians will change because the Holy Spirit is changing them -- therefore Christians will SEE those changes. More
servantanna 3 months ago
I've come to believe that both proponents and opponents of Lordship Salvation are stating the same thing in different ways. I am a proponent of Lordship salvation. I do not believe this disagrees with the fact that we are saved by faith alone apart from works. Nor do I believe that any Christian is 100% obedient after salvation. Most who believe in Lordship salvation would agree with me on this. To be continued.
servantanna 3 months ago
Its very clear that you are incapable of making a bad video. I visit your channel about once a week to watch one segment. There is too much wisdom to take in to watch multiple videos........BTW, are you on facebook?
dpaul3614 4 months ago
@dpaul3614 Thank you Brother...I appreciate your kind words. I am not on facebook.
sincitypreacher 4 months ago
Amen. A true repentant believer in Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord is sealed by the HS.
Brucev7 4 months ago
Works are absolutely 100% necessary to be saved...Jesus' works...The thief on the cross is probably the best example of this. Its really hard to do works with your hands and feet nailed down..very difficult. Now..that I think it about it thats us..our hands and feet are nailed down by sin so that we can't do works of righteousness until we are crucified with Christ and alive in him. Good video!
ixthustruth 10 months ago
I love Jesus Christ and have full faith in His atoning death and His blood shed for our sins....I also know that the Lord told us to keep His commandments...
I have not been sinless since being Saved...still I believe in God's mercy...
I think we should do our best to do good...but I personally do not consider myself nearly good enough to be Saved yet I still believe that I am Saved,,,
seaneire 10 months ago
Unfortunately, your logic is faulty. True faith is a faith that obeys, and works. But you are justified by faith, not works. Your error is that you are treating salvation as an event instead of a process. Justification occurs at an event, just one of many on the road OF salvation.
RobertMOdell 1 year ago
@RobertMOdell It is painfully obvious that you do not have the character to stand up for your beliefs. If you could defend your heresy you would actually answer the 3 questions in the CHALLENGE. Until you are ready to do that...then don't contact me again.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher I just wanted to say that I love you Brother Luke. You have put a lot of time and effort into your channel over the last few years in efforts to share your beliefs with everyone. You seem to be very dedicated to your faith. After viewing some of your videos I feel that you are curious about the Catholic faith. If you want, you are more than welcome to come to an RCIA meeting and learn about the Catholic faith and what it's truly about. Thanks for your time.
jdale287 8 months ago
Great challenge!
jacksmack77 1 year ago
@jacksmack77 Thank you Brother. I am disappointed that the the self righteous religious Pharisees (works salvation heretics) have not stepped up and accepted the Challenge. However, in part 2 of the Challenge, Yvonne did take the Challenge and she was converted to GRACE AND FAITH ALONE.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
I notice that nobody has successfully answered your challenge yet. I won't be holding my breath on this one either.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
Let me ask you this brother, is the breaking then of God's commandments a sign you are saved? Paul said do we then make vpoid the law because we are under grace? GOD forbid" I 100% agree we are not justified nor saved by our works it is By FAITH, yes brother, but Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." This is completely a gift of God amen it is not of me, In me is NO good thing i will vid r
gordonbobby1 1 year ago
@gordonbobby1 Did you notice that the title to this video is THE CHALLENGE? Either take the CHALLENGE or don't make any further comments.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Not about works or just faith, it's doing the will of God W/O boasting!
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC Those verses are about YOU. Jesus is saying if you are trying to be justified (saved) by the things YOU HAVE DONE instead of what JESUS HAS DONE FOR YOU then you did not trust JESUS...you trusted your own works.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
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nightverse 1 year ago
I believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior then you are saved however if you don't repent and turn from sin your as good as dead. Works could be being used by God to lead people to Christ or any other thing God wants to use you for who knows you could end up in Africa feeding hungry Mouths or In a tough part of the world spreading the Gospel where they are killing Christians, it's up to God. If you have true Faith in Christ and repent often then God can use you as he see fit.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC I find it very interesting that you have avoided the subject. Will you answer the 3 QUESTIONS posed in the CHALLENGE or not?
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher 1. yes I have sinned after accepting Jesus however I have repented and let go of alot of bad habits.
2. My works on a daily basis are random, whatever God puts on my heart. I try and lead Atheist to the lord, spread Gospel, Debate evolutionist, help others exc..
3. I agree "not by works" however a saved person automatically does Good works because a good tree bring good fruit. You still have to Repent and try not to continue sinful life style.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC Your answer is a classic example of "double talk". #1 You say; "yes I have sinned after accepting Jesus". THEN in #3 you say: "a saved person automatically does Good works". CAN'T YOU SEE THE CONTRADICTION THERE? Also, in my opinion, the works that you are "boasting" about seem very, very meager to me. Next watch part 2 of THE CHALLENGE.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher C'mon stop being Ridiculous!! I am not BOASTING this is Talking with excessive pride and self-satisfaction about one's achievements. Answering question is not Boasting and I don't walk around in the streets bragging. I think your making more out of this then you have to. I answer correctly and I see you have an issue so I will let you go on with this ridiculous idea that Christians don't do work. Guess all those led into Africa and around the world are boasting huh?
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC Please re-read my previous comment to you. Why can't you see the HYPOCRICY in your 2 statements. That is the definition of HYPOCRICY...saying one thing but doing another thing. And don't misrepresent my message. I am NOT saying DO NOT DO GOOD WORKS! I am saying that our works do not cause or maintain our salvation. Rico, maybe you should just move on with your (prideful) life. I don't think you comprehend the simplicity of the cross.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincit I am not in any way prideful!! This is incorrect and your the one that is complicating a simple reality. When a person gets saved and follows Christ they WILL AUTOMATICALLY DO GOOD WORKS, NOT TO BOAST BUT THEY JUST GET USED BY GOD NATURALLY. We already know that it's not by works alone however my point is different and your just not getting it. Faith W/O works is dead! Not Boasting this is a different situation. Narrow is the Gate and few who find it? Why few?
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
Now, if one has the Holy Spirit, and lives long enough, will the Holy Spirit work on him/her? Absolutely. It doesn’t always happen over night, but it does happen over time…sometimes a long time. That process of sanctification should not be confused with salvation. Once we place our faith in Christ by God’s grace, that is what saves us. Walking and living our lives in faith with the help of the Holy Spirit is a part of the process too, but it is a different issue than salvation.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC Did you watch my video CARNAL CHRISTIANS? Please watch it and and tell me if you agree or not.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher Ok I was cooking something to eat, i will watch it and let you know.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Gods call does not factor into your belief so it cannot be faith! Rom 11:6 its your own decision!
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
the bible says clearly not everyone that says to me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven but he that doeth the will of my father. By your comments below you state since Abraham recieved the promise everything else was mute. So i ascertain by this that you have made a choice to believe and consider yourself saved and thats it God has no active part in your life that you need to obey because you are already saved!!
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 Again, you are twisting my words. It is the scriptures that state Abraham received the promise. I said your points are moot since they have no basis in reality. You can misinterpret and misapply scripture all you want but it doesn't change the fact that Abraham was justified by faith and not works.
I don't just consider myself saved. I am saved and have been since I was a child. I learned about salvation by reading the scriptures.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 Even as a child I understood the simplicity of the Gospel. It is the ones that think they can save themselves by their own works and self-righteousness that stumble over the stumbling stone.
God has no active part in my life??? Now that is a bold faced lie. I have a personal relationship with Christ and I commune with him all the time. It is God who judges the heart and not you. Case closed.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith again you swerved right off the subject of what James what getting at good job., and your right the ones who think they can save themselves by their own works as the bible says in Rom 11:6 what was the Grace that was extended to Saul as he was heading to damascus to bind all who preached in the name of Jesus because truthfully if Paul tells you in Rom 10:17 how faith comes would he exclude himself? Theres a difference from belief and faith
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 You have understood completely nothing and are wasting my time so irregardless of any future posts this is my last one to you. I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time explaining grace to you since you don't accept what the scriptures say but distort them for your own purposes.
Grace came through Jesus Christ.
Grace is unmerited favor.
Grace is God's mercy.
Believing in Christ that he died for you and was resurrected.
Faith as in trusting him 100% for your salvation.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith yes and I believe in a third way to salvation that not one person in scripture can be measured by! The accept receive and believe- the I made a decision and now I am saved! Paul when he quotes in Rom 10 who hath believed our report referring to Isaiah 53 because nothing else was published and accepted as truth even he didnt believe Jesus was the Christ until Acts 9:5 so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God. even Eph 2:8-10 make sense and James 2 fits
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
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TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
(deleted comment cause of my typing error) what you basically just said in your comments by the point being mute because he had already received the promise is that since he received the promise it didnt matter whether or not he obeyed God. Since Ananias already received the promise it didnt matter whether or not he obeyed Jesus to seek out Saul? God has nothing to do with his children testing them? theres one whole chapter in Hebrews dedicated to this.
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 You said that I didn't. I never said it doesn't matter if you obey God. The subject here is how you are justified. You are justified by believing and having faith not by works. The faith comes first and then the works follow. God did test Abraham and the scriptures attest to this. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his one and only son because he put his total faith and trust in God.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 You stated and I quote: "God has nothing to do with his children testing them?"
You are twisting things here. I never said you are supposed to test God. Scripture clearly states you are not to test God.
Luke 4:12 NIV
12Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'[b]"
However, God does test people's faith in various ways. Have you never had your faith tested?
James 1:3 NIV
3because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
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TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
A rebuke from the scriptures to all the law keepers.
Galatians 3:10,11 NIV
10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[a] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[b]
Notice it says that the righteous will live by faith? It does not say that the righteous will live by their works. Very important distinction.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith you know the funniest thing about this is those of you who claim to accept receive and believe that you are saved by your own decision are living a lie and are the ones living by works if its not by his call and your obeying then its not of faith its your own work. You choose to be saved not God choosing you! As I see by his second video the Challenge 2 on this subject thats just what he did he made a decision of hiw own will to be saved! Good going !!!
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 You know the funniest thing is that every time truth is proclaimed the Devil always sends someone to poke holes into it. I assume you are of the Calvinist persuasion by your comment. The Bible is clear that without faith it is impossible to please God. The faith comes from you and it is not a work but a condition of your heart.
Romans 4:5 NIV
5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
There is a fine line between grace and works and a lot of people cross the line. It is very important to make distinctions between faith and works, justification and sanctification, etc. The focus needs to be Christ and not self. Trust 100 percent in Christ for your salvation and in yourself and your own works 0 percent.
Maybe some people have a hard time believing that God loves them enough to save them based on his mercy and not on their own good works and self-righteousness.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Thank you for adding your great comments. Amen to that!
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith .This man issues a challenge then calls people frauds and every name in the book (you have been exposed) for what to exalt himself (Pride) as if he alone has all the answers then you want to call someone who responds in league with the devil. Im not a calvanist but if being a calvanist consist of realizing that no one comes to God except through his call then you can call me that! I never heard of calvanism till I came to youtube!
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 why is it that decisional salvation leaves out Gods call and makes one saved by their own willpower? Show me one person in bible who got saved by making a decision and im not talking tongues of flame unless you saw them fall on you! did you? Im talking self justified faith which is what it is. not faith by obeying Gods call!
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 You are saved by having faith in Christ. Faith is believing and putting your trust in Christ alone for your salvation. This is not willpower but comes from the heart. It is with the heart that you believe and are justified as the Bible clearly teaches.
Romans 10:10 NIV
10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith think about Sauls conversion when you quote Romans 19:9,10 and ask yourself did Saul come to faith by those 2 verses when he knew who Jesus was calling him Lord insomuch as he obeyed him and went to damascus as he asked for 3 days fasting and in prayer was he saved according to Rom 8:9 or did he have to wait until Ananias came and laid hands on him? Acts 5:32
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 oops suppossed to be Rom 10:9,10
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 Yes, why don't you think about Saul's conversion. If you had an encounter like that with the resurrected Christ are you saying that you would not have had faith and believed in him??? Saul's conversion was a special case and the scripture states why in 1 Timothy 1:16 NIV
16But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith yes that right hes special he was chosen by God as all christians are. Rom 4:13 clearly shows those who are of the seed of Abraham would be justified through faith the same faith as he exhibited, now how was Abraham justified again by a slef belief or by what God asked of him?
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 This is my last response to you. I am busy making some videos.
Romans 4:1-3 NIV
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith Abraham was justified because he obeyed God and James clearly called that a work but what you dont understand is that the work is an action in response to his call without it you cannot be saved theres a defining difference between what Paul is calling works in Eph 2:8 and what James is implying Paul is referring to Gal 2: and Acts 15 (why compellest the gentiles to live as jews) James is referring to the act that accompanies obeying God as Saul did obeying Jesus! Acts 5:32
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 I have been thinking about what you are saying and I know that Abraham was justified by faith alone but now I can show you in the scriptures since I have more time. If the work you are referring to is the offering of his son Isaac then you should know that that was meant as a test of his faith and happened after he believed and received the promise from God. So your point is moot. Scriptural proof follows:
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67
Romans 4:3 NIV
3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
Genesis 15 NIV
4 Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir." 6 Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
Abraham was credited with righteousness before Isaac was even born.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67
Hebrews 11 NIV
17By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring[a] will be reckoned."[b]
This verse clearly says that Abraham had already received the promises.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67
Romans 4 NIV
20Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22This is why "it was credited to him as righteousness." 23The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone, 24but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith James is not referring to the promise that had been given to Abraham he was referring to the action that accompanied listening to God. as God tested Abraham Gen 22:2 --And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son---- And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 I don't think you are understanding this correctly. Read the verses again. Abraham received the promise and he was credited as righteous before his son Isaac was even born. The offering of Isaac was a test of his faith and the scripture I quoted clearly states that.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 Other than that. Your comments are not related to this video but going in an entirely different direction.
Why don't you take the challenge if you dare???
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith oh this has everything to do with this video this man proclaims that faith alone saves and without Sauls obeying Jesus to go to damascus would he ave been saved or Ananias if he didnt obey Jesus and seek out Saul would Saul have been saved the truth is Jame is 100% correct according to verse 2:17 faith without works is dead alone! you either listen to God or you dont! Heb 4:2 James 2:19 theres a difference in belief and saving faith
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
@TheLeprechaun67 This man as you call him is telling you the truth. He is not full of pride but exposing the self-righteous pride of the legalistic works or Lordship Salvationist proponents. He knows they are full of it and is just trying to get them to realize that. Of course they are going to be angry. The religious Pharisees hated Christ and persecuted him and it is no different now with the modern day Pharisees that attack believer's in Christ.
StandForTheFaith 1 year ago
@StandForTheFaith if you really think about what Saul did youd see he didnt come to faith until he was stopped by Jesus in fact he was on his way to bind all who called on the name of Jesus until that moment! when did faith come for him? and when did he get baptized with the Holy Spirit? atter he obeyed what Jesus asked or does Rom 10:9,10 hold water on its own here?
TheLeprechaun67 1 year ago
I already answered you! And it is like salvation you can except it or reject it anytime you want! That is why you have Christians going to the musleums or J.W or mormons rejecting the very trinity of the God Head of our creator.
BuddsAppleFarm 1 year ago
This is a great teaching! I know not one of us is sinless except Jesus. we must take all our sins to our Father and ask for forgiveness. I think the people who think once saved always saved better wake up if they continue to sin! God knows the heart. And if you are truly saved and you keep on doing the same sin or example~ commit murder ask your selves I am really saved? You must take it to the lord and you can't go on sinning You would not have the desire to keep sinning We all fall sometimes !
BuddsAppleFarm 1 year ago
@BuddsAppleFarm Will YOU take this CHALLENGE? Will you answer the 3 questions?
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
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nightverse 1 year ago
I believe it is faith that is the introduction to our salvation (Rom 5:2), but it is not by faith ALONE. I say this because that's not what the Bible teaches. If it said faith ALONE we would not need James chapter 2.
NobodySpecial85 1 year ago
@NobodySpecial85 If this is what you believe...you should be willing to take the CHALLENGE. Will you?
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher nobodyspecial85 is right Acts 5:32 God only gives his Holy Spirit to those who obey him! Think of James 2:17 and Sauls conversion would Saul have received the Holy Spirit had he not listened to Jesus and gone to Damascus Heb 4:2,7? Think of Rom 10:17 and ask yourself how does that apply to Saul? James is correct when he states Faith without works is dead. As even Ananias illustrates when he listens to Jesus and seeks out Saul what if Ananias hadnt listened to Jesus?
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 Gal 2 and Acts 15 refers to those in the circumcision who wanted to instill the ordinances of God onto the gentiles as evident from this "If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" But real faith requires listening to God not just a belief even the devils believe and tremble
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 I find it very interesting that you have avoided the subject. Will you answer the 3 QUESTIONS posed in the CHALLENGE or not?
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher i gave an answer to question number three without obeying Jesus you cannot be save. its not a decision on your part and then you are saved ! God chooses you listen without obeying theres no way you can have the Holy Spirit. Faith is not faith unless theres a call to respond to!! my previous post show just that, Abraham wasnt justified by just belief his actions in response to God were what justified him.Rom 4:13 ABRAHAM or HIS SEED THROUGH the righteouness of faith
histruth777 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher people toss faith around like its just a simple belief! God isnt real hes just there to believe in. He doesnt ask you to do things he doesnt chastise you hes just there to believe in, theres no communication it just is. No wonder people convert to athiesm faith is only what people choose to consider real to them. And that has nothing to do with listening to him and obeying him Mat 7:21
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 I thought you said you were going to accept the CHALLENGE??? When are you going to answer the 3 QUESTIONS posed in the CHALLENGE? If you do not answer THOSE questions then DO NOT PRETEND THAT YOU "ACCEPTED" THE CHALLENGE!
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher i never said i was going to accept any challenge other than to show you that your understanding or the gist of this video is nothing but to put christians at odds with you. Paul didnt come to faith by hisself he came to faith when Jesus intervened on the road to damascus and he obeyed Jesus Acts 5:32 remember he was heading to Damascus to bind all who preached in the name of Jesus So faith came by the call Rom 10:17 Gal 1:15,16= Eph 2:8
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 Paul understood nothing he did woudlve saved him except for that call nothing wouldve changed his path! his act from the moment he listened to Jesus to the moment that Ananias appeared you cant see that Jame 2:17 applies?
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 Did you watch the video? Did you notice the name of the video? You continue to avoid the questions posed in the CHALLENGE. Some people might be getting the impression that you are afraid to take on the CHALLENGE because you would be proven WRONG.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher you say that faith alone saves without works and I showed you that works are a part of faith. I answered your challenge there is no need to answer all 3 your just trying to draw me into an argument with you over the other 2 points that really have no bearing - you have to be saved first for the other 2 to apply.1st John is not a good book to base your thesis on after he says everyone that believes Jesus is Christ is born of God how many denominations out there do you agree with?
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 1st John was written in a time when Jesus was not accepted among the circumcision. Do you think the new testament was written and common knowledge when the apostles were out there preaching about Jesus as Paul says in Rom 10:16 referring to Isaiah 53 who hath believed our report no one believed Jesus was the Christ not even Paul hence Rom 10:17 so then Faith cometh by hearing. How did Saul come to faith again?
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 im done with this video there is no challenge here just someone trying to be smug. even when one of the 3 questions was answered
histruth777 1 year ago
@histruth777 You did not answer even ONE of the THREE questions. You are a fraud.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher ,~Brother Luke, As boasting & contempt is the "trade mark" of the corrupted Hyper-Dispensation church, who
quote llTim 2v15 without correctly expounding The Word of Truth,
i Tozer, dregs of the True church, a fool for Christ sake, hereby
recieve & take your ungodly provocative CHALLENGE,
for the greater good of the household of God in Jesus name.
(part 1 of 2).
zacqt 1 year ago
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Well, I really thought you might do better than that. Really? THAT is your answer. Ok…I gave you ample time to answer the 3 QUESTIONS and now the whole world can see you as a “double talker”. I gave you enough rope and you certainly hung yourself.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@zacqt You said (1) your sins are forgiven (2) Your were still trying to justify yourself by YOUR works. That is a contradiction to your (1) point. And I must add that your “works” seem quite measely in my opinion. Then (3) you do not explain/refute even ONE of the many verses that I listed for FAITH ALONE. Then because you FAILED the CHALLENGE, you dismiss it as “ungodly”. You have been EXPOSED.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
If works could save us, then Christ wouldn't have had to die on the cross. We are only saved through the grace of God. AMEN! One he lives in us, he changes us and any good works that comes out of us is because of him. He is Worthy of all praise. Jesus Rules! :) :) Love you brother!>
Nephtali1981 1 year ago
God bless Luke. God is in charge. Jer 29:10-14 Rom 8:26-28
Brucev7 1 year ago
Brother Luke:
I LOVE YOU !!!
Such straightforward, Bible-believing Sound Preaching...
yet one can HEAR the LOVE in your voice...you truly care!!
Thank YOU !!!
kkkkkkatherine 1 year ago
~Brother Luke, do you think there's a danger in getting legalistic about attaining the minimum standard, that is, justifying salvation as a form of fire insurance. Do you think that complacency puts some in danger of building on the sand? Jude v4 warns about abusing grace and denying Gen~Rev & The Father. Paul teaches repentance in Roman 12v1,*2*&3. I agree with the general point you make in this video. I do also feel legalism from either side of the narrow road can put many at risk. Thanks
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Hello Brother. Thank you for your question. Your question is too complex to answer in a short text message. If you will take the time to watch this playlist (FROM BIRTH TO ETERNITY)...I believe you will understand how all these considerations fit together. If you watch it, let me know what you think. Luke
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher Brother Luke, would be nice if you did a third video attached to this series, so as to bring some important balance to the table. Even the most extreme legalist have to concede salvation is a gift of grace,.However to "boast" that we do nothing gives many justification to live like the devil. The "slippery slope"(vid#2) there can be spiritual boasting from both sides of the narrow road. I think many of us will have a more sober attitude when we stand before Christ. llCor5v9~21
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Thank you for your letter. I hope you will watch my 2 playlists: SALVATION THROUGH YOUR WORKS IS HERESY and FROM BIRTH TO ETERNITY. I believe that faith and works are put into the proper perspective in these videos. I hope you will watch them and then tell me what you think. Luke
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher, Brother Luke, RE: other vid's: both you & i would agree that salvation is more like an ambulance than a walking stick. My concern is rather that man makes a distinction between justification & sanctification but God doesn't. God is the Author & Finisher. To endeavor to legally separate God's gift of grace-"new life, born again" etc does technically infer change apart from a free ticket to glory. There is no 1on 1 account in the Word where salvation lacked humility. James 2v24
zacqt 1 year ago
We don't repent, obey commandments or do any other good work in order to be saved, but because we love Jesus and He has already saved us. The outward works that we do, as imperfect as they are, are only an evidence or fruit of our salvation, not the root of it. If there is no evidence in our lives that God's grace is manifested by good works, that may be evidence we have not truly received God's grace, and, in fact are not saved. A mere profession of faith is not the same as genuine faith.
guitmartiman 1 year ago
I submit, however, that it is possible to have a genuine experience in faith and to have received God's grace, and be in a state of justification, but then later to turn your back on God and to ultimately reject His grace by placing your faith in your own "good" work as opposed to God's. That is the reason for the need of a pre-Advent judgment. That's not to say that we lose our salvation, because it's always there. But, we may reject it, though we once embraced it.
guitmartiman 1 year ago
@guitmartiman Well said. I agree with every word especially...(that "may" be evidence we have not truly received God's grace")
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
i favorited this vid
ChristianCrusader1 1 year ago
I find it very interesting that after hundreds of views on this video I still do not have a single person who has dared to specifically answer the 3 CHALLENGE QUESTIONS.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
I agree,Galatians exposes false religions & says people are not justified by the law but by grace ... Romans 6:14 says "For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace".
Peace & GBU
cmammlj 1 year ago
I know that it sounds like I am making a stump speach, or trying to sell snake oil here, but our words are limited and time is always short. So I apologize for being to quick or short with people. We all recoginze that Grace is something that we all appreciate and should be very thankful for, I just feel the need to quote the scriptures that also lead to our Heavenly home. Thanks again Luke for the shared time and comments.
youslackers 1 year ago
Brother, you seemed to blinded by the Devil on your preoccupation with the idea of works. You need to pray for the Holy Ghost experience to come into your life. When that happens, you will begin to understand the teaching comfort that comes with the Holy Spirit presence in ALL of our lives. REPENTANCE is not works, its a mission statement for the followers of Christ Jesus.
youslackers 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher I did get to respond today, I am truelly surprised that you allowed it. I apreciate that as well. I like to plant seeds for better understanding away from the old OSAS eternal security etc etc.
Others told me that they were blocked from saying anything at all on your channel or videos. So I was pleasantly surprised.
youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers I do not allow comments without approval (except from "friends") on some of my videos because I don't want debate or heresies presented. BUT, THIS VIDEO IS OPEN FOR DEBATE. However, none of the oppenents will answer the 3 questions that I have posed.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
@sincitypreacher Amen bro Luke, I may have to leave before I lose my temper with this tard, and having deedee as friend, tells me all I need to know, see Luke, these are the stiff necked ones, perfect example of those pharisees in Acts 6.
GPAPoetics 1 year ago
@GPAPoetics Pharisees, foolish Galatians, Judaizers. They have been around forever.
sincitypreacher 1 year ago
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GPAPoetics 1 year ago
Did you ever hear the saying "Dont let a stranger cut your hair"?? Be careful who allow to speak into your life. They heap upon themselves teachers with itchy ears.
The Bible commands us not to have fellowship with those that walk disorderly. Any doctrine that does not preach repentance through Christ Jesus, let that doctrine be accursed.
youslackers 1 year ago
The key is:1 Jo 3;6 Everyone that sins breaks the law, in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. (7) Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil.
youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers
In order to sin and break the law you must have a law to break. We are not under law but under grace. In fact, according to Romans 4, the man who does not work at all, but simply believes on the One who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Kloudes 1 year ago
@Kloudes So you are saying that you can murder rape, and rob someone tonight and not go to HELL, but go to Heaven instead? I think that OSAS and calvinism was one of the worst curses on the modern church that ever hit town. What deception is a foot. The TEN Commandments are still very much in affect, I hate to tell you, they have not been done away with.
youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 3: 24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Kloudes 1 year ago
@Kloudes I encourage everyone that watches this video to open thier understanding to what the Spirit of the Lord has to church to us,, The Last Days Church. The Spirit is a teacher, and a comforter. Not only that, but the Holy Spirit will convict us WHEN WE DO WRONG. The Lord said that he will chasten us when we do wrong. If he did not correct us, then we would be called bastards, and not children of God.
youslackers 1 year ago
Amen bro, "youslackers" is one them pentecostals that try to place the believer in pentecost, "WHAT SHALL WE DO" is the Jews in Acts 2 :22, 36 not GENTILES! Obeying is trusting the Gospel of Grace, that Christ done everything already. youslacker failed the challenge and is in need of some teaching.
GPAPoetics 1 year ago
@GPAPoetics It seems that you like to pick and choose alittle over here, and alittle over, here alittle, there alittle. Thats great in the grocery produce section, but Hell when it comes to your salvation. Many there be that will enter at the wide gate, and broad path that leads to destruction. Few there be that will enter into the straight and narrow gate, that leads to Christ. Good luck with your plan.
youslackers 1 year ago
Amen, Luke :)
I love his video.
I don't see anyone answering the challenge, though. Just a lot of people beating around the bush. It's just like in the Book of Acts during Stephen's ministry: they are putting requirements for salvation that they themselves cannot endure.
Kloudes 1 year ago
@Kloudes , this youslacker guy is pentecostal, and of course one of them DO DO DO, characters.
GPAPoetics 1 year ago
@GPAPoetics
yeah, i had a feeling he was preaching works, but somehow he denies that.
even though he says you must obey Christ to be saved, and He isn't talking about believing the gospel, either...
Kloudes 1 year ago
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youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers Wait a minute jackass, you better crawl back to your denominational hole, apparently, you can't accept the challenge, you are still stuck at pentecost lol....
GPAPoetics 1 year ago
@GPAPoetics Thank you for letting me know what you inteligence and christian commitment level is. Thats why I say its like teaching children how to finger pant. 1 Jo 3;9 No one that is born of God will continue to sin, because he has been born of God.This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right in NOT a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.( NIV) Sin will seperate us from a Holy God.
youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers No no, thank you for showing us what a legalistic idiot you are, and I went by your channel, and once again, I SEE you have no teaching videos, just like your legalistic followers, and BTW, you sure are hanging around Luke's video, maybe you will get saved...
GPAPoetics 1 year ago
@GPAPoetics I do plan on making it to Heaven. As for the OSAS eternal security crowd, I hope that they awaken soon. I always take the opportunity to offer a clearer understanding to anyone that will hear. A seed is all that is needed to offer someone hope and a plan. Bro Luke opened up his channel for me to respond when others were refused and blocked before. So I appreciate any opps. to tell folks of repentance and Christs salvation plan for this last days world we live in.
youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers You calling Luke a coward? Where are your teaching videos? You are to damn stupid to make any, am I right? Just like all you idiots, that claim 1st John as doctrine for the church. Let me ask you, you are without sin? You are sinless? LOL, dream on wanker.
GPAPoetics 1 year ago
@GPAPoetics Once again, thanks for the baptist philosphy of OSAS and eternal security. I understand your anger when challenged by the word of God. I would ask that you try not to curse, when talking about the things of God. The hope is to desciple, not discourage. Prayer always works in that area.
youslackers 1 year ago
Dont be hung up on works. God demands obedience. We must follow peace with all men, and HOLINESS. Without which no man will see the Lord. Luke 24;47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. KJV. IF you go to the dictionary and read definitions on OBEDIENCE and Works. You will begin to see the Operative words of the Bible. I trust that you will open your understanding.
youslackers 1 year ago
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youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers
Since when has salvation been like a "check?"
That's like saying we earn our salvation.
What did Jesus have to die for, if we could just be justified by the works of the law?
Also, who says that just because he preaches salvation by grace then that means he doesn't do anything for God? You obviously haven't watched many of this guy's videos. These guys make me wish I did more for God. :)
The only difference between grace believers and works believers is our motive for service.
Kloudes 1 year ago
@Kloudes Its understandable that you couldnt easily grasp what I was saying. It starts to become like teaching children to read. Its a process. Its not works, dear, Its OBEDIENCE. You follow Christs teachings, not Corruptible man. You confess your sins, You then repent ,(change your ways), then you seek the infilling of the Holy Ghost, for strength and understanding. Water baptism is one part of this obedience process. I always tell people to read the Bible and learn
youslackers 1 year ago
@Kloudes Its not easy for people to accept the teachings of Jesus. Most stood around with a rock in thier hand, ready to kill him. They couldnt understand.
Its not works that we follow Christ, or reward. We follow every word in the teaching so as not to stumble, or cause someone else to stumble.
If you refuse to repent, and change your ways, then you are still a sinner, not a reluctant saint. Carnal christians,, will not enter into Heaven. They are not saved at all.
youslackers 1 year ago
The question that is in your discription is "What must we do" ? Acts 2;37 Men and bretheren what shall we do? Acts2;38 REPENT and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the REMISSION of sins, and ye shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. (3) And the PROMISE is unto you. Notice: what must we do? You have to repent, and receive the Holy Ghost to complete the salvation plan. Thats Gods simple biblical plan of salvation. NOT works, but OBEDIENCE.
youslackers 1 year ago
@youslackers I asked 3 questions in this challenge. Are you going to answer any of them? Or, are you going to RUN AWAY FROM THE CHALLENGE?
sincitypreacher 1 year ago