How to flip a Randal

[SteveCsf]

Whether it damages the plate depends on your kingpin's thread-depth.

New Randals come with a short amount of thread, and they're good either way.

[jerkinboy95]

@SteveCsf

What if u don't flip the pin because your riding with no threads showing? will that still mess up your baseplate?

[jerkinboy95]

@gremis321

You probably just suck at riding, speed wobble has little to do with ur trucks. It's mostly about your stance and skill.

[7PinkFloyd7]

Yeah, what exactly does flipping the kingpin do? I was a bit unclear on that, does it ride better?

[AHNSushi0312]

So when your flip the trucks, it gets better for downhill?

[devilspawn2479]

could u flip randal 180s with a 42 degree baseplate?

[MyChemicalJasper483]

awesome beard

[MrJojogunther]

why would you flip the randal truck what is the difference.

[MrForever23]

@MrJojogunther

This will lower you ride height about a .25" so be careful of wheel bite.

[ihopthsuzrnmeisfree]

nice beard ahahahahaha

[gremis321]

sketch man my homie accidentally flipped my front truck like that and i got wobbles at like 40 for no reason almost ate shit i dont suggest messing with your truck geometry and shit

[TheSqeeek]

One thing that also helped me was using the red bushings with a flipped cup washer or a flat washer. With that setup I can keep the bolt a bit tighter, which gives me more rebound to center from little movements, while still retaining turn capability on deeper carves.

Try flipping the cup washers, you might like it :)

[iluvCr3ALL]

Do people really need a tutorial on how to flip their hangers around.....

[cabelas9731]

what does fliping the trucks do

[WhereIsNumNum]

i feel sorry for who ever has to look up an instructional video just to flip your trucks

[guitarmanaddi]

why should you flip the trucks?

does it carve better?

[AlphaDork11]

Thanks for the vid, SUPER helpful!

[SteveCsf]

-Some- kingpins are stronger that way, it depends on how much thread they have cut into them. You want the last thread (weakest point) as far from where it exits the baseplate (the stress point) as possible.

It's important for old randal pins, and non randal 2.5" bolts.

it also helps preserve the baseplate as it's not exposed to the teeth-like thread.

It can however expose the kingpin too much to the road-side, particularly with 3" kingpins and flipped hangers...

[420dethmarch]

@SteveCsf wouldn't flipping the kingpin just eat through your bushings? I just flipped my hangers and left my kingpin how it was. Looking for any one who wants to ride in the coos bay area

[56retoocs]

why u flip da kingpin tho?

[M3talm0nst3r]

so if i flip randal 180's you're saying i will turn sharper? or increase stability?

[syncopprod]

don put the king pin on that side it can be dangerous!

[syncopprod]

Don t put the king pin on this side it can be dangerous!

[TechGraphix962]

@syncopprod why ??

[syncopprod]

@TechGraphix962

Because if the hanger is too low it can be dangerous!

[syncopprod]

@syncopprod

if the king pin is too low

sorry

[HExtab12]

Works if you swap the bushings too its even better for me or if your board is shorter

[SteveCsf]

@HExtab12 While this does kinda work, I'd recommend getting 42* base-plates instead

[SteveCsf]

@billabongsk3d3 It lowers the ride height, and shifts the wheels towards the outside of a turn. Lots more in the Randal FAQ, go read it!

[POLlyy23]

@SteveCsf Dear god now i have to do homework? :)

[Tarzan07330]

thanks for the video. helped me out alot!

[longboard2live]

nice gravity shsirt

[micoces14]

just wanna make it clear. is the default flipped or unflipped. and tell me if im right or wrong. unflipped is for carving and flipped is for bombing. right? or wrong?

[11dosentmatter]

why do you flip the king pin

[WhereIsNumNum]

so you can have a 3" kingpin with out it screwing into your board. i have this problem on my evo w/ 42* plates and venom downhills

[davidzzz94]

@WhereIsNumNum out more flat washers in there

[SneakySoftmint]

what is the perpos eof flipping the the randal?

[mxbbirch7]

what is the reason for flipping the kingpin? is it necessary if you flip the hanger or something?

[SteveCsf]

No it's not necessary, some older kingpins had too much thread cut into them - it put the weak first-thread right where it shouldn't be, just where it exits the plate.

...

All the randals shipped nowerdays have a kingpin with a minimal amount of thread, this leaves the bolt full thickness right into the baseplate. So it's strong either way.

[XtremeSkater123]

when u flip it what diference does it make does it turn better plz explain it to me

[mirrorboy117]

hello i have seismic trucks at the momment on my lush but i was thinking on getting randals do the have as much movement on them like easy to turn and carve? thanks

[SteveCsf]

This depends on which seismic you're replacing with which randal. Seismics come with 45° or 30° baseplates. Randals usually ship with 50° plates, but are available with 60°, 50°, 42°, 35° and 28° ones.

The higher this number, the more steering created per board-lean

There's also quite a difference in the way lean-resistance, and therefore turning is controlled, (spring vs bushing) though both methods are very dynamic in this regard.

[mirrorboy117]

thankyou

[reap62]

it seems like if you manualed too far on small tires that little lip thats supposed to protect the inner bushing would hit the ground

[SteveCsf]

never heard of it happening, they are designed for longboards, where it's fairly uncommon for sub 60mm wheels to be used.

[reap62]

well i dont really know anything about randals ive only really ever ridden on alpines and gullwings because thats all the stores around here sell but it just looked like it was possible

[SteveCsf]

It's all good, just replying candidly as it's a public discussion.

it's certainly true that if you intend to grind Randals or use them in parks, you're better off using them with the hanger un-flipped.

[reap62]

ya well t/y for the info

[pdubs926]

right now im running paris 180's but i would like to get the randal 180 and even if i dont flip the truck can i still flip the kingpin

?

[SteveCsf]

yep, either can be flipped without the other.

[pdubs926]

this sounds kinda dumb but i have paris 180's and my buddy has randall 180's he changed the bushings and ive change my bushings but were rideing loaded dervishes and i was wondering y the trucks feel soo different if there both 180's

[eightballs95]

Can u help when i lean left the board turns right when i lean right the board turns left what can i do to fix this

[SteveCsf]

sounds like backwards trucks.

[Drive2kill]

hahaha

[elazar6041]

ccbhr,

i believe it tells you what a flipped hanger does in the comment six below yours

[ccbhr]

when you flip the hangar, what does it do?

[Fearlessnippz]

bomb digg itty beard. what's the signifigance of flipping it though?

[pdubs926]

flipping it makes it more stable for bombing hills

[patchoBR]

GREAT !! thanx man.

[anickjaymes]

na i did not relize the indent and to be honest the idea of flipping never crossed my mind until i saw this have a blessed day buddy really god bless you man

[sumoman53]

whats the point of fliping it

[tattlingvermin1]

dude thats a kickass beard

[anickjaymes]

will this work on bear's? p.s. great q&a follow up.

[SteveCsf]

yep, it's a little different, but essentially the same.

[elbob75]

you are dumb bears are made to flip didnt you ever realize the indent

[itsianhere]

couldnt find out on the website, so i will ask you. what angle are the 42's when flipped?

[SteveCsf]

They're still 42°

there's a sort of imaginary line between the -pivot- and the -axle-, usually refered to as caster-angle, and this does change.

Altering the caster angle will effect the way it behaves

but not nearly as much as altering the pivot-axis of the truck. The pivot-axis is a line between the pivot and the center of the two bushings, it's this line that is at 42°, and it doesn't change when you flip the hanger

[KennyD88]

nahh i heard on youtube i think or this site or forum i frget that a flipped randal 42 rides at 39 degree and rides lower obv. but thats what i hear ....

[SteveCsf]

It's still 42... Trust me

[erik11217]

its 39 flipped and 45 unflipped

[SteveCsf]

No, it's still 42°

it simply has about 4mm of negative offset instead of 4mm of positive offset.

[MUSIQismyWEAPON]

What's the point of fliping it?

[SteveCsf]

Refering to the hanger -

It lowers the board. among other things.

Lots more at randal-com

refering to the axle -

depends on preferance really, unless you're using a non randal 2.5, then it does put the weak point of the bolt, (first thread) further from where it gets the most force. (where it exits the plate)

[SteveCsf]

ugh... refering to the *kingpin*... proof-read steve...

[alolfan1]

forgive me, maybe someone can enlighten me, but why exactly would you flip the hanger on a truck?

[SteveCsf]

it lowers the board. among other things.

More at randal-com

[MUSIQismyWEAPON]

would it work with a randal 150 baseplate and a 180 hanger? i know it would, but aren't the kingpins different sizes?

[SteveCsf]

Yes it will work, the kingpins are exactly the same size.

Some plates do require a longer kingpin, the 35° for example uses a 1.75", but they're all 3/8 regardless of length.

[SteveCsf]

I could only use my fingers because it was so loose the nylon of the nut wasn't engaged.

I'll assume the kingpin is in it's original position, you can't reach the nut-even if you could it wouldn't turn.

all you need to do is undo the kingpin a bit, you can do it from the very-exposed top of the bolt - I'd be very confused if you can't rotate it anti-clockwise once or twice using a spanner, or pliers for that matter.

[SteveCsf]

Read the randal faq, if you're still stuck come back to me.

it's on the site, I'd link you straight there but youtube won't let me. it's randal-c-o-m- anyway...

[SteveCsf]

You don't need to flip the hanger to loosen the trucks.

Just turn the kingpin anticlockwise once or twice

[danielwhitworth1833]

Are Randal trucks good carvers? I'm kind of new to long boarding. But i do know that i do not have any hills in my city so i just like to cruse and carve on the street so are these trucks good for carving? Please reply.

[SteveCsf]

yep. they can be set up to provide a very agile ride.

using a mid-length wheelbase, 23 to 26 inches. (measured from the inner bolt holes)

150mm hangers and soft bushings. read the faq on randal's website for more on how to get a carvy feel from a longer board, or to stabilize a shorter one.

[AdamTesta]

what exactly does flipping the hanger do? makes it more stable??

[SteveCsf]

it can help with stability, yes.

There is plenty of info on this in the randal-faq - go read it it'll teach you about all sorts of things.

[OhEmGeHenwy]

Thank you, sir.

[skateson666]

thanks so much

i'm gonna try

to get a classic kicktail deck

that has wells already made in it

thanks so much for the advice.

[skateson666]

its a little off topic but you seem to know your stuff.

i am putting together an 80's kicktail style longboard.

right now i have a skate deck on there but that'll change.

i just used some cheap longboard trucks that my friend gave me

but my risers i found out werent big enough to steer clear of some wheelbite.

i had been looking for some longboard risers that i had previously and am gonna try those out.with both risers on

do you think it will cure my wheelbite but still turn as needed

[SteveCsf]

There's a few cures for wheelbite.

-Risers, these also increase the board's leverage over the truck.

-Smaller wheels, gives you more room and a lower board. can have negatives as they don't climb debris/driveways etc as well.

[SteveCsf]

-Wheelwells, moves the board further from the wheel, sandpaper on a spraycan is the classic ghetto way of adding/modifying them.

-cutouts, simply removes the section of board that has any chance of hitting the wheel, not always a good idea as it can create weak points- depending on deck thickness/material and hanger width.

[SteveCsf]

-Angled risers, these not only rise the board but can also reduce how far the board has to lean to achieve the same turn radius- downsides are it tends to reduce stability.

that said wedging the front and de-wedging the back is a good way to stabilize it again, though it won't turn quite as well.

[smittybuffmoma]

what soes this do in terms of improving your ride?

[SteveCsf]

Lower ride-height, primarily.

lots more on the randal website though.

flipping *some* kingpins can strengthen them

but it does not alter the performance at all.

[OhEmGeHenwy]

What's the website? Dx

[tonyvaldivia]

do you recommended to flip randal 180mm R-II?

[SteveCsf]

No, but I wouldn't recommend not flipping them either.

Try it, takes hardly any time and you might like it - you might not too.

[7Yeshua7Lives7]

what does flipping it do for your ride? just curious.

thanks

[1nate8]

which is better randals or gullwings?

[joeygillen]

what do you gain by flipping it?

[Allegra250]

The official website has a ton of info about this. the FAQ should pretty much teach you everything you want to know about this and more.

[Tony1130]

Is it possible to just flip the kingpin?

[SteveCsf]

Absolutely.

[LordGregoryIII]

did you have to flip the kingpin?

[SteveCsf]

No.

Non Randal bolts have a longer thread, and it's a little more likely to break if the first thread is sitting where the pin exits the baseplate.

So if you buy new kingpins from a hardware store, firstly make sure they're grade-8, (marked by six lines on the bolthead) and then put them in flipped.

Or you can get a longer bolt and cut it down. If you have the gear to clean the cut, otherwise it'll eat the nylon of the nut.

[LordGregoryIII]

im running a loaded vanguard f4 , being so flexy would flipping be too low for me? ive yet to bottom out

[SteveCsf]

It does cut a fair bit of height off the board.

I'm uncertain about it bottoming out as that depends on your weight as much as anything.

It'll feel quite different, and I don't think it will really suit a vanguard, try posting this Q on loaded's forum or silverfish, or better still just try it - it doesn't take long.

[DHland]

weight and flex will be the factors in that proble i have 2 loaded boards(pin an dervis) i have manageed to bottem both of them out

[Phishiz]

thx

[peguin233]

u dont have to take out the bottom bushing

[malcolmisfat]

dude randal dh baseplates with randal 180 hangers...lowers it almost flat.

[anarchyken]

why do you do this ? does it turn better ?

[SteveCsf]

It lowers the ride height mostly.

there's more to it than that though

there's a ton of info about this on randal's website.