@bob23yer This is the event finals and yes, she took the gold. However, in the All Around competition she fell on her dismount on beam, which cost her the gold.
@hperez1026 sorry, don't really understand your question! I mean i love when she performs the stag leap, which she does twice in this routine. it looks incredible!
@hperez1026 she could do it twice because the code of points was different back in 1995 when you could perform the same skills twice , which is not allowed any more
It's so weird listening to Kathy Johnson and Bart Conner commentate. Here and in many other instances Bart would comment on the gymnast's routine and Kathy Johnson wouldn't even acknowledge him. It's like, in her mind, she was commenting alone. I mean she was great at the job but always weird towards Bart, who couldn't be a more awesome affable dude.
@Swankdor I have to respectfully disagree. Her skills were on par with the difficulty of the era, her artistry, lines, and choreo were great. I think this is a lovely routine and a great example of having tricks AND fluidity. I remember watching this routine at these worlds and being so impressed!
But everyone likes different styles. This happens to do it for me =)
It is also sad to see artistic and original Romanian gymnasts with flawless form and technique like Silivas, Commaneci, and even Szabo from the previous generations and then see the likes of Milo, Amanar, Bontas, Gogean, Olaru as the 90s greats of Romanian gymnastics with no artistry, mostly cookie cutter safe routines, no personality at all. Raducan for me is the only great Romanian gymnast of the last 2 decades.
@serenakicksass yes exactly...my favorite romanian gymnast are from the 80's. they all were great on all events, had great form and artistic. silivas and dobre were my absolute favorites. wished that dobre didn't injure herself and burn out right before the 88 olympics. raducan was a great exception but her bar routine was still cookie cutter. hopefully the next generation of romanians will be great. progras is giving me hope
@agators212 yeah Raducan's bars sucked but she atleast showed artistry, difficulty, and originality on beam and floor (and even originality on vault to a degree) unlike her teammates. I agree it was tragic what happened with Dobre. I think she would have been right in the fight for the AA gold with Silivas and Shushunova in Seoul had she not gotten injured, and would have continued gymnastics a couple more years. I like Progras but she needs to upgrade vault big time for the AA.
@serenakicksass yeah, i think she definitely would have given silivas and shushunova a run for their money. imagine how much more spectacular if all three of them hit and placed 1, 2, 3? if dobre had performed at 87 worlds i think she might have edge the other two...but who knows
@agators212 Silivas was capable of a 10 on all but vault, Shushunova on all but beam, and Dobre at her best on all but bars. Silivas was best in compulsories which should have given her an edge but always made silly small errors (or sometimes big ones like falls) that hurt her in the AA. Dobre scored 79.65 at Worlds, Shushunova 76.662 in Seoul, and Silivas 76.637 in Seoul so that gives some perspective how close it would be.
@serenakicksass man, that just sounds like an awesome competition had it happened. we were so spoiled in the 80's with such great gymnasts then in 89 yang bo came around and thats just gymnastic heaven for me. love how she worked beam, best ever by far despite her mistakes on big occasions
If Mo Huilan had put it all together at this competition, she would have blown the field away. She was absolutely amazing on every event. She went what, 9.937 on vault in TF, 9.9 here on beam and over 9.8 on vault and floor on multiple occasions, JUST at these worlds. What was she in the AA, 4th or 5th with a fall? in 1995 that is nothing short of amazing.
my favorite gymnast ever - so elegant, strong, graceful, and makes it look so easy - for someone like me who is not a gymnast I can appreciate the beauty but I cannot even fathom the difficulty of these skills.
well i don't see how moceanu tied for silver with lilia, lilia was eons ahead of moceanu and miller had a beautiful graceful routine and she had such minor breaks that she SHOULD of got bronze
This beam routine encompasses everything that's beautiful about gymnastics. She might be one of the greatest unrealized potentials in the sport, but this routine will remain timeless and be her lasting testament to how amazing she really was.
are you sure it is clapping? it sounds a lot like a horse galloping lol! even though its not possible. well i wish they would of stopped it! it tottaly un foucused me off her routine!
She was one tiny step away from the most greatest balance beam routine of all time..They probly wouldve have given out a 10..she would have really deserved it
That was the only World Champion in her whole career.
It was such a shame she fell on dismount from beam of AA in 1995 World Champions, otherwise she would have broken the ground and become the first Chinses woman gymnast with AA World Champion.
I know, right? She is I think the best Chinese all-arounder I've ever seen - insane difficulty AND beauty. Who else does a one-armed handstand like that?? SO gorgeous.
It's a real shame because she can actually perform that dismount flawlessley, shame she was scared of it. The best and literally most perfect beam routine I have ever seen was Fan Ye, at the 2003 World Championships beam EF. AMAZING!!!!
Apparently her problem with the dismount was psychological: the coach said that Mo Huilan was afraid of her dismount, which explains why she frequently messed it up.
Comparing Dominique Moceanu with Mo Huilan is like comparing a piece of costume jewellery with a diamond: there is no comparison. This exercise is one of the best demonstrations of beam I have ever seen. I HATE the way Dominique Moceanu never pointed her toes at all, she was really flat footed. This routine is absolutely breathtaking.
I agree-and I also don't think Moceanu should have tied for silver with Podkopayeva. I think Lilia showed the better overall qualities like her pointed toes, high up on demi-point, her straddle jump was a dream on beam-and she had a harder dismount than Moceanu as well.
as much as i love miller...she was definitely lucky that neither mo or kui were in the finals at the olympics on beam cuz they would have gottan gold and silver.
@russianskatingfan thats unfortunately true...especially yang bo. my favorite beam worker of all time even with all her mistakes...still makes me cry when yang makes that mistake at the 89 world ef. would have traded her all around performance for the ef or atleast that dismount.
but again, if those girls didn't choke, miller would not have an individual olympic gold
@agators212 yes I agree. The beam event was kind of a mess all around anyway. None of the wonderful Chinese beam workers (especialy Mo, Xuan, and Kui) made beam finals. Marinescu, Moceanu, and Galieva falling in beam finals. Dina with a very shaky routine and Lilia not her best either. Dawes and Khorkina out of beam finals due to the 2 country rule then watching their teammates fall. Gina Gogean as the bronze medalist says it all. Miller won almost by default.
@russianskatingfan yeah totally agree. i forgot gogean won the bronze for that undeserving routine. it shouldn't have even made finals even without the chinese. what makes it worse is that gina wins the world title for the very same routine in 97. i also thought lilia is highly overrated on beam. i hate the composition of her beam, especially that tumbling pass.
@agators212 Kochetkova even with her mistake should have been on the podium over Gina, and Teslenko also was more deserving. Even amongst the Romanians I would have had Milosovici in the beam finals over Gogean, I dont even like her beam but atleast she does a difficult layout series. Gogean has her name going for her. The 97 World beam final was a scandal though. Kui had one of the most amazing routines ever, Khorkina was also much better, even Teza probably.
@russianskatingfan yeah, i would have put dina behind miller. 97 worlds and 2000 olympics are my 2 most disappointing gymnastics events. 97 because of all the goodbye gold medals awards gogean. 2000 because it was just a big ol mess, first the vault, then raducan's gold taken away, now the chinese underage scandal. it just wont stop
@agators212 yeah Gogean should have never won floor at those Worlds either. Produnova was way better, and even Khorkina who I usually find overscored on floor deserved to be higher too. I agree with your podium at the 96 Games- Miller, Dina, Lilia in that order. If Dina hadnt had that big wobble I would have put her over Miller though. 2000 was the worst for sure though, so many mistakes and big falls especialy the AA, Raducan's DQ, the vault controversy, Russians poor sportmanship after team.
@russianskatingfan if everyone had hit, who was in the 96 beam finals i would have had moceanu, miller, and dina. in no particular order either cuz i loved all three of their routines. if the chinese had been there i would have put mo, kui, and third could be anyone else cuz liu wouldn't have been able to compete cuz 2 other chinese women were there. but i would have put dina on the podium for floor. loved that routine she did, more elegant than lilia's IMO and amanar wasn't at all artistic.
@agators212 Why Moceanu? Just curious what you find so great about her routine that was better then Marinescu, Podkopayeva, or Galieva had they hit their routines. I find she gave up alot of form eductions and I just dont see what her amazing qualities were as a young gymnast that everyone kept raving about. Just my opinion though.
@grafgirl27 i just loved the composition of moceanu's routine. galieva, i hated the flow of her routine, podkopayeva was overpraised on that event especially with having the weakest tumbling sequence out of all the finalist with the exception of gogean. marinescu, i like her a lot but her routine that she did in the 97 american cup was better, even though for the 97 code it wasn't difficult enough. but that's just me
@agators212 hmm interesting. Just wondering what did you love about the compostiion of Moceanu's routine. Galieva was jerky, she was almost frantic. She was a better gymnast in 92 but got more respect from the judges as a contender in 96, wierd. I loved Marinescu's beam routine of 95 and 96 actually. Much better than the other Romanians who all had dog beam routines for me.
@grafgirl27 i can't really put my finger on it but i just remember really liking the flow of her routine. it didn't feel like skill in between choreo, everything felt proplerly placed. her 98 routine is better imo. i think marinescu was definitely the most artistic romanian in 96 but i guess i just never really got into her gymnastics as much as others have. a part of maybe because i didn't see the same routine throughout atlanta so i wasn't able to appreciate her gymnastics.
@agators212 I hated the Romanian team of 96. Milo was past her prime, Gina was always a code whoreing bore, and while I appreciated Amanar's tumbling on floor and yurchenko double vault I never could stand her gymnastics for the most part. My favorite gymnasts on the team other than Marinescu were lower run gymnasts on the team like Presecan, Cacovean, and Bican who missed the team due to injuries were replaced by someone like Tugurlan. Ugh. I was glad to see them fail to win gold in Atlanta.
@agators212 yeah I agree Moceanu's beam routine was well composed. Actually all her optional routines were. I always figured that was the only reason she got such high optional beam scores. However even compulsory beam she had one of the highest scores with a major wobble and hop on the landing so obviously the judges even like her technique, style, and overall way of working the beam too inspite of her myraid of form flaws which detracted from her gymnastics back then.
@dahighbar Mo's floor score probably would have kept her from winning the AA even if she hit. Her floor was so much weaker than Lilia even if she was equal or better on all 3 other events.
@serenakicksass actually had mo kept her 95 worlds routine and if lillia and mo hit all 4 routines and scored properly mo would have won easily. her vault and beam were far superior. and bars, lilia should never had scored no where near what mo scored. mo scoring only a 9.80 on bars is ridiculous. the only even that lilia should have outscored mo was on floor because she had the best floor routine and deservedly won gold in atlanta
@agators212 I am not talking though about what Lilia "should" have scored on bars (she was always overscored on bars) or if Mo had her 95 floor routine . As it was they had about the same amount of small errors on the first 3 events and Mo only led Lilia by 0.031, and with Mo's 96 floor routine which was much worse than her 95 one she was far worse than Lilia on floor with both hitting by over a tenth probably (would be less with her 95 routine). So I cant see Mo winning overall.
@serenakicksass they did not have same small error on the first 3 events. mo had a huge step on her beam dismount but still having scored a 9.800. the only score that i agreed with during lilia's aa was her floor. it was the far superior floor compared to everyone else at 96. but i can't change time...i like lilia and she deserved that aa especially with her consistancy. i definitely didn't want any of the romanians to win with their boring routines. i just believe that mo could've won
@agators212 Kui I doubt. The judges werent even willing to put Kui over Gogean and Khorkina on beam at the 97 Worlds (a joke I know) so I doubt they would have placed her above a perfect Miller in the 96 event finals. Mo maybe, hard to say how her beam would have scored at the 96 Games though where none of the Chinese were scoring as high as the 95 Worlds held in Asia.
@serenakicksass actually, kui scored the highest beam score during the team finals. she scored a 9.875...had she not made a mistake during the compulsories she would have been the favorite. and again, mo scored a 9.800 during the all around even with a big step/hop on the landing indicating that the judges were very willing to give her a 10.0 for a perfect routine.
@agators212 The judges often dont take proper deductions. At the 94 Worlds Milo scored a 9.837 on beam with a huge wobble on her side sumi and a hop on the landing. What deductions they often choose to take is anyones guess.
As for Kui event finals would probably be totally different than team. Just look at how Dawes got a 9.850 for a flawed bar routine in team, but only a 9.8 in finals. Remember they werent even willing to put Kui above Gina Boregean in beam finals at the 97 Worlds.
@serenakicksass well again, the judges were on crack at 97 worlds giving gina going away gold presents because of her retirement from the sport. deplorable....and dawes got a 9.725 during team competition with a dismount on beam at 96 and a 9.825 in aa without the step. so if miller got 9.862 in team, aa, and ef kinda presumes kui had a good chance of scoring a 9.875 again in ef like she did during the team had she gone perfect.
@agators212 yes Gogean's golds at the 97 Worlds were a farce. On beam I had her probably 4th behind Kui, Khorkina, Teza, and maybe even 5th behind Maloney who had wretched form but tons more difficulty and was just as solid. On floor I had her 3rd behind Produnova and Khorkina, possibly even 4th behind Meng Fei. Gina Gogean is one of the most overrated gymnasts ever. Ironically I thought she was robbed of the 93 World AA Miller won but in 96 and 97 especialy she had alot of gifts.
@serenakicksass its quite unfortunate though that the judges could have time again given the medals to worthy gymnasts but instead gave it to someone really boring, although consistant, but not exciting whats so ever or even has great form. its just a shame
@agators212 even Amanar atleast has exciting power on vault and tumbling. Gogean is just consistent and solid. If she were from say Canada she might be Canadas #1 but she would have been a relative nobody at the World level. However being from Romania she somehow becomes a huge name with that kind of gymnastics. I remember in beam finals at the 97 Worlds Connors and Johnson were stunned when Khorkina was placed below Gogean , then flabergasted when Kui next also was.
@serenakicksass yeah atleast amanar had the vault and high tumbling on floor. but she is far from artistic as well. i too remember connor's and johnson's reaction to the score at 97. i still havent gottan anyone to explain to me how gogeon's routine amounted to a 10sv for having the same exact routine she did in 96 when everyone else had to add more difficulty. the only ones that had plenty of difficulty were kui and khorkina because of the tumbling passes
@agators212 I am surprised Gogean even managed to get a 10 start value under the new 97-2000 code as well. She BARELY did enough for a 10 start value in 96. I think it is because they added silly bonuses in 97 for things like a combination of a salto into a beep jump or other little insignificant like jumps tacked onto the end of tricks. She had a couple places in the routine she gained extra bonus that way. Being Gina you know she looked for the easiest loopholes humanly possible.
@serenakicksass yeah, its such a shame that gogeon will forever be put up there and considered as one of the great romanian gymnasts with the routines she had
@agators212 You're probably right, but that is a testament to Shannon's consistency, something that the Chinese were never known for over the years. :-)
@intldawn yeah its sad but true. my favorite beam worker of all time is someone who never won a major world or olympic medal on beam but she is IMO the definition of perfect form, extension, flexibility, originality, height, everything...perfect package except not the metal fortitude. she always perfromed well during the team and AA but never during EF
watch?v=gpqf6eJ7U-Y
what i would give to have this dismount replace all her EF dismounts from 89-92
She is a bitchy cow who should never have won the gold over the incredible Miller. Mo's gold was a gift, Miller was robbed. In Atlanta Miller won and bitchy cow Mo Shitan didnt even with a medal on beam, haha.
HAHA that just proved how stupid you are millerowns, plus if you don't like Mo why are you watching this video? Oh yeah probably because you need a life
Thank goodness for this! Mighty Mo's revenge! SUCH a shame that she fell in the AA. What was she, 5th or 6th even with the fall. She could have blown the field away had she hit.
I thought she won gold here?
Love what the commentators said: creative, unique and artistic!
proudpotterfan 4 months ago
One of the few times I've seen her perform without lots of little balance checks.
TheSienna29 7 months ago
I just love her full turn.
camjay8 7 months ago
What elegance, real beautiful. She was my favorite at the Olympics in 1996. I wonder what she's doing now.
bob23yer 8 months ago
@bob23yer she's still quite big in China, writing blogs here and there
proudpotterfan 4 months ago
@proudpotterfan Thanks for the info.
bob23yer 4 months ago
@bob23yer This is the event finals and yes, she took the gold. However, in the All Around competition she fell on her dismount on beam, which cost her the gold.
Undermedveten 3 months ago
i LOVE her stag leaps!
IsMaithLiomEmma 8 months ago
@IsMaithLiomEmma How is she able to do the same (stag) leap twice or am I missing something?
hperez1026 7 months ago
@hperez1026 sorry, don't really understand your question! I mean i love when she performs the stag leap, which she does twice in this routine. it looks incredible!
IsMaithLiomEmma 7 months ago
@hperez1026 she could do it twice because the code of points was different back in 1995 when you could perform the same skills twice , which is not allowed any more
aminah2012 7 months ago
@hperez1026 She performed it with a different entry.
AgentDouble0027 6 months ago
If she could only remove this handspring before the sidmount! would have prevented so many problems.
sigaljarby 10 months ago
i had to turn off the volume because the announcers are so annoying... you can see how happy she is after the dismount. it's great
dalmationham 10 months ago
It's so weird listening to Kathy Johnson and Bart Conner commentate. Here and in many other instances Bart would comment on the gymnast's routine and Kathy Johnson wouldn't even acknowledge him. It's like, in her mind, she was commenting alone. I mean she was great at the job but always weird towards Bart, who couldn't be a more awesome affable dude.
perry3340 10 months ago
what was her score?
abbythegymnast98 11 months ago
@abbythegymnast98 9.900
gy9402 11 months ago
hhhmmm.. this routine seems a little simple..? only the RO LO is difficult and maybe the dismount.. a little overated perhaps..?
Swankdor 11 months ago
@Swankdor I have to respectfully disagree. Her skills were on par with the difficulty of the era, her artistry, lines, and choreo were great. I think this is a lovely routine and a great example of having tricks AND fluidity. I remember watching this routine at these worlds and being so impressed!
But everyone likes different styles. This happens to do it for me =)
kras118 11 months ago
It is also sad to see artistic and original Romanian gymnasts with flawless form and technique like Silivas, Commaneci, and even Szabo from the previous generations and then see the likes of Milo, Amanar, Bontas, Gogean, Olaru as the 90s greats of Romanian gymnastics with no artistry, mostly cookie cutter safe routines, no personality at all. Raducan for me is the only great Romanian gymnast of the last 2 decades.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass yes exactly...my favorite romanian gymnast are from the 80's. they all were great on all events, had great form and artistic. silivas and dobre were my absolute favorites. wished that dobre didn't injure herself and burn out right before the 88 olympics. raducan was a great exception but her bar routine was still cookie cutter. hopefully the next generation of romanians will be great. progras is giving me hope
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 yeah Raducan's bars sucked but she atleast showed artistry, difficulty, and originality on beam and floor (and even originality on vault to a degree) unlike her teammates. I agree it was tragic what happened with Dobre. I think she would have been right in the fight for the AA gold with Silivas and Shushunova in Seoul had she not gotten injured, and would have continued gymnastics a couple more years. I like Progras but she needs to upgrade vault big time for the AA.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass yeah, i think she definitely would have given silivas and shushunova a run for their money. imagine how much more spectacular if all three of them hit and placed 1, 2, 3? if dobre had performed at 87 worlds i think she might have edge the other two...but who knows
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 Silivas was capable of a 10 on all but vault, Shushunova on all but beam, and Dobre at her best on all but bars. Silivas was best in compulsories which should have given her an edge but always made silly small errors (or sometimes big ones like falls) that hurt her in the AA. Dobre scored 79.65 at Worlds, Shushunova 76.662 in Seoul, and Silivas 76.637 in Seoul so that gives some perspective how close it would be.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass man, that just sounds like an awesome competition had it happened. we were so spoiled in the 80's with such great gymnasts then in 89 yang bo came around and thats just gymnastic heaven for me. love how she worked beam, best ever by far despite her mistakes on big occasions
agators212 1 year ago
How old was Mo here?
tmwalkerm 1 year ago
If Mo Huilan had put it all together at this competition, she would have blown the field away. She was absolutely amazing on every event. She went what, 9.937 on vault in TF, 9.9 here on beam and over 9.8 on vault and floor on multiple occasions, JUST at these worlds. What was she in the AA, 4th or 5th with a fall? in 1995 that is nothing short of amazing.
AsksOneThing 1 year ago
Damn it. Why couldn't this routine be replaced with the AA one?
tide32athlete 1 year ago
my favorite gymnast ever - so elegant, strong, graceful, and makes it look so easy - for someone like me who is not a gymnast I can appreciate the beauty but I cannot even fathom the difficulty of these skills.
Chutson353 1 year ago 3
well i don't see how moceanu tied for silver with lilia, lilia was eons ahead of moceanu and miller had a beautiful graceful routine and she had such minor breaks that she SHOULD of got bronze
luv4cookie1 1 year ago
her leaps are to die for.
evoandy 2 years ago
this routine made me 'omg' out loud. this was absolutely gorgeous and amazing to watch
jnq114 2 years ago
She was my favourite gymnast at the time and she still is!
huntasoup 2 years ago
This beam routine encompasses everything that's beautiful about gymnastics. She might be one of the greatest unrealized potentials in the sport, but this routine will remain timeless and be her lasting testament to how amazing she really was.
Niwa2780 2 years ago
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
AlexCorralMexico 1 year ago
are you sure it is clapping? it sounds a lot like a horse galloping lol! even though its not possible. well i wish they would of stopped it! it tottaly un foucused me off her routine!
luv4cookie1 2 years ago
@luv4cookie1 LOL!!A horse galloping!!!XD I know what you mean though; its bloody annoying!!
ralucagymnast 1 year ago
what is tht galloping sound after every time she does a move? its so obnoxious
luv4cookie1 2 years ago
Its somebody clapping it gets on my nerves too.
HailieNichole1995 2 years ago
She was one tiny step away from the most greatest balance beam routine of all time..They probly wouldve have given out a 10..she would have really deserved it
dahighbar 2 years ago
she was the best all around woman china has ever produced.. even better than zhang nan or yang yilin..
Swankdor 2 years ago 2
Mo broke my heart many times-but this one time my heart soared. ♥
faeryquene 2 years ago 8
@faeryquene I KNOW, I wanted it for her so many times... :(
icarrus4u 1 month ago
It's ashame she never reached her potential in high competition. She had the skills to be an accomplished gymnast.
rgncajun21 2 years ago 3
did she win?
fr3ckles 2 years ago
She scored a 9.9 and I think she lost the 0.1 just by not sticking the dismount. Otherwise it was really absolutely perfect.
gy9402 2 years ago
oh gosh, I remember having goose bumps when I watched this on TV.. I was holding my breathe the whole time lol
such great flow and choreo.. another classic chinese beam routine!!
kras118 2 years ago 2
That was the only World Champion in her whole career.
It was such a shame she fell on dismount from beam of AA in 1995 World Champions, otherwise she would have broken the ground and become the first Chinses woman gymnast with AA World Champion.
Richifaye 2 years ago 4
I know, right? She is I think the best Chinese all-arounder I've ever seen - insane difficulty AND beauty. Who else does a one-armed handstand like that?? SO gorgeous.
potassiumiodideki 2 years ago
Its such a shame that she was so inconsistent. She has BEAUTIFUL form and execution - so terribly artistic.. I wish she had won AA champion.
babylishee 2 years ago
It's a real shame because she can actually perform that dismount flawlessley, shame she was scared of it. The best and literally most perfect beam routine I have ever seen was Fan Ye, at the 2003 World Championships beam EF. AMAZING!!!!
willsbob123 2 years ago 5
Apparently her problem with the dismount was psychological: the coach said that Mo Huilan was afraid of her dismount, which explains why she frequently messed it up.
ralucagymnast 2 years ago
she has beautiful handstands. there are no words for her. (in a good way)
memyselfandialwayz 2 years ago 4
Comparing Dominique Moceanu with Mo Huilan is like comparing a piece of costume jewellery with a diamond: there is no comparison. This exercise is one of the best demonstrations of beam I have ever seen. I HATE the way Dominique Moceanu never pointed her toes at all, she was really flat footed. This routine is absolutely breathtaking.
ralucagymnast 2 years ago 5
I agree-and I also don't think Moceanu should have tied for silver with Podkopayeva. I think Lilia showed the better overall qualities like her pointed toes, high up on demi-point, her straddle jump was a dream on beam-and she had a harder dismount than Moceanu as well.
faeryquene 2 years ago 3
I absolutely love this routine, just as much then as I do now.
laura6742 2 years ago
as much as i love miller...she was definitely lucky that neither mo or kui were in the finals at the olympics on beam cuz they would have gottan gold and silver.
agators212 3 years ago 37
@agators212 Who knows. Kui and Mo are both known for choking under pressure anyway, especialy Mo.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
@russianskatingfan thats unfortunately true...especially yang bo. my favorite beam worker of all time even with all her mistakes...still makes me cry when yang makes that mistake at the 89 world ef. would have traded her all around performance for the ef or atleast that dismount.
but again, if those girls didn't choke, miller would not have an individual olympic gold
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 yes I agree. The beam event was kind of a mess all around anyway. None of the wonderful Chinese beam workers (especialy Mo, Xuan, and Kui) made beam finals. Marinescu, Moceanu, and Galieva falling in beam finals. Dina with a very shaky routine and Lilia not her best either. Dawes and Khorkina out of beam finals due to the 2 country rule then watching their teammates fall. Gina Gogean as the bronze medalist says it all. Miller won almost by default.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
@russianskatingfan yeah totally agree. i forgot gogean won the bronze for that undeserving routine. it shouldn't have even made finals even without the chinese. what makes it worse is that gina wins the world title for the very same routine in 97. i also thought lilia is highly overrated on beam. i hate the composition of her beam, especially that tumbling pass.
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 Kochetkova even with her mistake should have been on the podium over Gina, and Teslenko also was more deserving. Even amongst the Romanians I would have had Milosovici in the beam finals over Gogean, I dont even like her beam but atleast she does a difficult layout series. Gogean has her name going for her. The 97 World beam final was a scandal though. Kui had one of the most amazing routines ever, Khorkina was also much better, even Teza probably.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
@russianskatingfan yeah, i would have put dina behind miller. 97 worlds and 2000 olympics are my 2 most disappointing gymnastics events. 97 because of all the goodbye gold medals awards gogean. 2000 because it was just a big ol mess, first the vault, then raducan's gold taken away, now the chinese underage scandal. it just wont stop
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 yeah Gogean should have never won floor at those Worlds either. Produnova was way better, and even Khorkina who I usually find overscored on floor deserved to be higher too. I agree with your podium at the 96 Games- Miller, Dina, Lilia in that order. If Dina hadnt had that big wobble I would have put her over Miller though. 2000 was the worst for sure though, so many mistakes and big falls especialy the AA, Raducan's DQ, the vault controversy, Russians poor sportmanship after team.
russianskatingfan 1 year ago
@russianskatingfan if everyone had hit, who was in the 96 beam finals i would have had moceanu, miller, and dina. in no particular order either cuz i loved all three of their routines. if the chinese had been there i would have put mo, kui, and third could be anyone else cuz liu wouldn't have been able to compete cuz 2 other chinese women were there. but i would have put dina on the podium for floor. loved that routine she did, more elegant than lilia's IMO and amanar wasn't at all artistic.
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 Why Moceanu? Just curious what you find so great about her routine that was better then Marinescu, Podkopayeva, or Galieva had they hit their routines. I find she gave up alot of form eductions and I just dont see what her amazing qualities were as a young gymnast that everyone kept raving about. Just my opinion though.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@grafgirl27 i just loved the composition of moceanu's routine. galieva, i hated the flow of her routine, podkopayeva was overpraised on that event especially with having the weakest tumbling sequence out of all the finalist with the exception of gogean. marinescu, i like her a lot but her routine that she did in the 97 american cup was better, even though for the 97 code it wasn't difficult enough. but that's just me
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 hmm interesting. Just wondering what did you love about the compostiion of Moceanu's routine. Galieva was jerky, she was almost frantic. She was a better gymnast in 92 but got more respect from the judges as a contender in 96, wierd. I loved Marinescu's beam routine of 95 and 96 actually. Much better than the other Romanians who all had dog beam routines for me.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@grafgirl27 i can't really put my finger on it but i just remember really liking the flow of her routine. it didn't feel like skill in between choreo, everything felt proplerly placed. her 98 routine is better imo. i think marinescu was definitely the most artistic romanian in 96 but i guess i just never really got into her gymnastics as much as others have. a part of maybe because i didn't see the same routine throughout atlanta so i wasn't able to appreciate her gymnastics.
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 I hated the Romanian team of 96. Milo was past her prime, Gina was always a code whoreing bore, and while I appreciated Amanar's tumbling on floor and yurchenko double vault I never could stand her gymnastics for the most part. My favorite gymnasts on the team other than Marinescu were lower run gymnasts on the team like Presecan, Cacovean, and Bican who missed the team due to injuries were replaced by someone like Tugurlan. Ugh. I was glad to see them fail to win gold in Atlanta.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@agators212 yeah I agree Moceanu's beam routine was well composed. Actually all her optional routines were. I always figured that was the only reason she got such high optional beam scores. However even compulsory beam she had one of the highest scores with a major wobble and hop on the landing so obviously the judges even like her technique, style, and overall way of working the beam too inspite of her myraid of form flaws which detracted from her gymnastics back then.
grafgirl27 1 year ago
@agators212 I agree and if thats the case lilipod was lucky Mo didnt hit 4 in the all around she was defianately the more superior all around gymnast
dahighbar 1 year ago
@dahighbar Mo's floor score probably would have kept her from winning the AA even if she hit. Her floor was so much weaker than Lilia even if she was equal or better on all 3 other events.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass actually had mo kept her 95 worlds routine and if lillia and mo hit all 4 routines and scored properly mo would have won easily. her vault and beam were far superior. and bars, lilia should never had scored no where near what mo scored. mo scoring only a 9.80 on bars is ridiculous. the only even that lilia should have outscored mo was on floor because she had the best floor routine and deservedly won gold in atlanta
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 I am not talking though about what Lilia "should" have scored on bars (she was always overscored on bars) or if Mo had her 95 floor routine . As it was they had about the same amount of small errors on the first 3 events and Mo only led Lilia by 0.031, and with Mo's 96 floor routine which was much worse than her 95 one she was far worse than Lilia on floor with both hitting by over a tenth probably (would be less with her 95 routine). So I cant see Mo winning overall.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass they did not have same small error on the first 3 events. mo had a huge step on her beam dismount but still having scored a 9.800. the only score that i agreed with during lilia's aa was her floor. it was the far superior floor compared to everyone else at 96. but i can't change time...i like lilia and she deserved that aa especially with her consistancy. i definitely didn't want any of the romanians to win with their boring routines. i just believe that mo could've won
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 Kui I doubt. The judges werent even willing to put Kui over Gogean and Khorkina on beam at the 97 Worlds (a joke I know) so I doubt they would have placed her above a perfect Miller in the 96 event finals. Mo maybe, hard to say how her beam would have scored at the 96 Games though where none of the Chinese were scoring as high as the 95 Worlds held in Asia.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass actually, kui scored the highest beam score during the team finals. she scored a 9.875...had she not made a mistake during the compulsories she would have been the favorite. and again, mo scored a 9.800 during the all around even with a big step/hop on the landing indicating that the judges were very willing to give her a 10.0 for a perfect routine.
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 The judges often dont take proper deductions. At the 94 Worlds Milo scored a 9.837 on beam with a huge wobble on her side sumi and a hop on the landing. What deductions they often choose to take is anyones guess.
As for Kui event finals would probably be totally different than team. Just look at how Dawes got a 9.850 for a flawed bar routine in team, but only a 9.8 in finals. Remember they werent even willing to put Kui above Gina Boregean in beam finals at the 97 Worlds.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass well again, the judges were on crack at 97 worlds giving gina going away gold presents because of her retirement from the sport. deplorable....and dawes got a 9.725 during team competition with a dismount on beam at 96 and a 9.825 in aa without the step. so if miller got 9.862 in team, aa, and ef kinda presumes kui had a good chance of scoring a 9.875 again in ef like she did during the team had she gone perfect.
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 yes Gogean's golds at the 97 Worlds were a farce. On beam I had her probably 4th behind Kui, Khorkina, Teza, and maybe even 5th behind Maloney who had wretched form but tons more difficulty and was just as solid. On floor I had her 3rd behind Produnova and Khorkina, possibly even 4th behind Meng Fei. Gina Gogean is one of the most overrated gymnasts ever. Ironically I thought she was robbed of the 93 World AA Miller won but in 96 and 97 especialy she had alot of gifts.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass its quite unfortunate though that the judges could have time again given the medals to worthy gymnasts but instead gave it to someone really boring, although consistant, but not exciting whats so ever or even has great form. its just a shame
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 even Amanar atleast has exciting power on vault and tumbling. Gogean is just consistent and solid. If she were from say Canada she might be Canadas #1 but she would have been a relative nobody at the World level. However being from Romania she somehow becomes a huge name with that kind of gymnastics. I remember in beam finals at the 97 Worlds Connors and Johnson were stunned when Khorkina was placed below Gogean , then flabergasted when Kui next also was.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass yeah atleast amanar had the vault and high tumbling on floor. but she is far from artistic as well. i too remember connor's and johnson's reaction to the score at 97. i still havent gottan anyone to explain to me how gogeon's routine amounted to a 10sv for having the same exact routine she did in 96 when everyone else had to add more difficulty. the only ones that had plenty of difficulty were kui and khorkina because of the tumbling passes
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 I am surprised Gogean even managed to get a 10 start value under the new 97-2000 code as well. She BARELY did enough for a 10 start value in 96. I think it is because they added silly bonuses in 97 for things like a combination of a salto into a beep jump or other little insignificant like jumps tacked onto the end of tricks. She had a couple places in the routine she gained extra bonus that way. Being Gina you know she looked for the easiest loopholes humanly possible.
serenakicksass 1 year ago
@serenakicksass yeah, its such a shame that gogeon will forever be put up there and considered as one of the great romanian gymnasts with the routines she had
agators212 1 year ago
@agators212 You're probably right, but that is a testament to Shannon's consistency, something that the Chinese were never known for over the years. :-)
intldawn 6 months ago
@intldawn yeah its sad but true. my favorite beam worker of all time is someone who never won a major world or olympic medal on beam but she is IMO the definition of perfect form, extension, flexibility, originality, height, everything...perfect package except not the metal fortitude. she always perfromed well during the team and AA but never during EF
watch?v=gpqf6eJ7U-Y
what i would give to have this dismount replace all her EF dismounts from 89-92
agators212 6 months ago
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She is a bitchy cow who should never have won the gold over the incredible Miller. Mo's gold was a gift, Miller was robbed. In Atlanta Miller won and bitchy cow Mo Shitan didnt even with a medal on beam, haha.
millerowns 3 years ago
HAHA that just proved how stupid you are millerowns, plus if you don't like Mo why are you watching this video? Oh yeah probably because you need a life
Yangyun4ever 3 years ago 5
very original exercise!!
LaGinnasta 3 years ago 3
NEAT
NEAT
NEAT
missing MO Huilan, missing KUI Yuanyuan,
who proved what is really called difficulty and perfection in the gymnastics!
U38066 3 years ago 30
the most perfect sets on Beam I've ever seen!
alliangzhang 3 years ago 10
This is up there...also check out Yang Bo at the 1990 World Cup.
1hipster1 3 years ago 2
Yang Bo was the absolute best EVER!!!!
icarrus4u 3 years ago 2
duh!
lepetitpoulet 3 years ago
would this have been a 10 if it hadn't been for the step on the dismount?
gymnasticsforever95 4 years ago 4
she gets a 9.9 for this!!!!!!!!!!!
gymnasticsforever95 4 years ago 3
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oh yeh?
I think i can do better with 9.995 despite that I am 5'11 and 160 pb.
Hartmann1984 3 years ago
wait what?
gymnasticsforever95 3 years ago
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Trust me on that.
Hartmann1984 3 years ago
Thank goodness for this! Mighty Mo's revenge! SUCH a shame that she fell in the AA. What was she, 5th or 6th even with the fall. She could have blown the field away had she hit.
AsksOneThing 4 years ago 5
Mo finished 6th even with the fall in the AA!
lambielkwanfan 4 years ago
One of the most perfect sets on Beam I've ever seen!
fruityliciousrhubarb 4 years ago 6
Excellent gymnastics!
ShaefDawg 5 years ago 4
Kathy Johnson (commentator) sums it up at the end. This is exquisite gymnastics.
mrparke007 5 years ago 6