Mozart String Quintet 6 (period instruments) Part 1

[vonspre]

"This quintet is a Haydn pastiche"...Best bad joke in history! Bravo!

[InnocentParadis]

@vonspre The first movement is no Haydn pastiche. It has a carefree and thrilling cheerfulness which is typically mozartian (listen from 4:42 to 5:08 ). The second movement is in the same spirit, without the somewhat rustic mood of the first one. Yes, the finale is pretty haydnian; it is said that its first theme is "borrowed" from Haydn.

[nahatsu2]

Beautiful music; delicious fruit! Lovely combo!

[tabrindle]

Love the piece, but does anyone else wonder... whats with the fruit? lol

[polymath7]

This piece could not possibly be any better.

Or if it could, I'm quite unable to imagine how.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

oh man..Im lost for words on this piece. Anybody who even compares Beethoven to this man is well ignorant..It's so obvious who Beethoven studied and admired.

[RodCorkin1]

@beethovenlovedmozart

Beethoven's Op.29 Quintet is much better than this, and remember Beethoven respected Handel above Mozart and Bach.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

@RodCorkin1 ..Yea Ive heard all those stories before..Beethoven on his death bed: "Handel is the greatast"..Yea you can go on believing that story if you want, but there are not enough facts to back it up. Just like there are not a lot of facts to backup that Mozart composed music in his head. I think Beethoven was just in shock that there was someone other then Mozart who can do Choral music well. He appreciated him..But by hearing Beethoven, we know Mozart was his biggest love.

[RodCorkin1]

@beethovenlovedmozart

There are loads of facts to back it up I'm afraid. It was Handel's music Beethoven was browsing through on his death bed, "There is the truth" he said. Anyone familiar with Handel's music (like me) knows Handel blows Mozart's choral music out of the water. I think you seriousy need to educate yourself and get out of this Mozart cult.

[2009xellos]

@RodCorkin1 there is no "cult" sir. It was Beethoven who told Cramer, of Mozart's C minor piano concerto K.491after a performance of it in 1799: "we shall never be able to do anything like that", and modelled his own C minor concerto Op.37 after it. That's not all- he told Czerny, (another of his pupils) Mozart's String Quartet in A major K.464 is so harmonically advanced that "it was Mozart's way of telling the world "look what I can do when you're ready for it."

[2009xellos]

@RodCorkin1 and it's well known that Mozart's A major quartet became the model for Beethoven's own A major Quartet Op.18. I read your comments on the thread where you discussed Mozart's and Beethoven's piano concertos with Peter and maybe Frank H. At one point, you said something to the effect of "Mozart's concertos have no significance" compared to Beethoven's, or something like that.

Brahms said, "although I find Beethoven's C minor concerto more modern, I think Mozart's is more powerful etc

[RodCorkin1]

@2009xellos

Well I have my own website now if you want to persue the matter. Google 'classical music mayhem' and join up.

[2009xellos]

@RodCorkin1 what I'm saying is, there are people who disagree with your view of Mozart for substantial reasons - I find it amazing how Mozart wrote works like the miraculous 5-voiced fugal finale of the jupiter symphony, the "atonal" section of the final movement of the G minor Symphony K.550 (the theme that plays all notes on the chromatic scale except the tonic, G natural), Die Zauberflote, in his short life.

[hymnofashes]

@RodCorkin1 I'm actually not too fond of a lot of Mozart's pieces, like this one. I find it emotionally monochromatic and derivative. I mean, compare this to his Don Giovanni overture, for example. Anyway, can you please submit some examples of Handel's music that I should be impressed by? I have an irrational hatred of Handel but I'm willing to be educated out of it.

[RodCorkin]

@hymnofashes

Well you know where to go to begin your education.

[eddiemperor]

@hymnofashes how can somebody hate a man like Handel, actually many did during his lifetime, but the real question is how can somebody hate His Music????

[beethovenlovedmozart]

I like Beethoven..He was a genius too. But Im tired of people saying "this symphony is better then Mozart's"..I hope it is! He had 30 more

years to study Mozart and produce more music!I would've liked to see both of them compose more in parallel before labeling Beethoven as the greatast.

[beethovenlovedmozart]

Mozart was far and away the greatast of his time..There where comparable composers to Beethoven in his era..Schubert for example was pretty good..But no one compared to Mozart in his lifetime. Master at all music in his lifetime, no other composer comes close to doing that.

[RodCorkin1]

@beethovenlovedmozart

Well if Beethoven had lived only as long as Mozart we would still have the Kreutzer, Waldstein, Appassionata and Eroica for example. Were are Mozart's equivalents of those in terms of quality? Much of Schubert is pure Mozart mimicry, so I suspect you like him a lot? ;-)

Anyway we are discussing Mozart's quintets at my site, feel free to join up. Search google for 'Classical Music Mayhem'.

[polymath7]

@beethovenlovedmozart

"...no one compared to Mozart in his lifetime..."

What about Haydn? I'm sure you know Mozart himself respected him tremendously.

[2009xellos]

@RodCorkin1 "Beethoven admired Mozart profoundly - identifying him as one of music's great men and regularly requesting copies of his instrumental and vocal works from publishers, Beethoven explains: "I have always counted myself amongst the greatest admirers of Mozart and shall remain so until my last breath."" (continued)

[2009xellos]

@RodCorkin1 "This high regard for Mozart's music extends to the piano concertos and is recorded most famously in Beethoven's statement to Johann Baptist Cramer after a performance of Mozart Piano Concerto No.24 in C minor K.491 in 1799; "we shall never be able to do anything like that." Beethoven saw fit to compose his own cadenzas to the first and the third movements of K.466 in 1809 and also frequently to perform Mozart's piano concertos."

(Cambridge Companion to Concerto by Simon Keefe)

[RodCorkin1]

@2009xellos

And yet at the end Beethoven rated Handel the greater composer. Rightly so in my opinion.

[2009xellos]

@RodCorkin1 Yes, Beethoven did admire Handel the most, but also considered Mozart as one of his major source of influence even during his late period. - Consult the Wikipedia article, "Beethoven and Mozart".

Mozart greatly esteemed Handel as well. So much so that he decided to work on the glorious task of rearranging the "Messiah".

[RodCorkin1]

@2009xellos

Mozart was commissioned to rearrange a number of Handel's works. Of his version of Messiah, Beethoven said... "it (Messiah) would have survived without it". Make of that what you will. But in any case I've never denied Beethoven's admiration of Mozart, the quotations you mention are well known.

[RodCorkin1]

@2009xellos

But back on topic there is no doubt the quintet Nr6 is a Haydn pastiche, so much is 'borrowed' from Haydn in this piece.

[polymath7]

@RodCorkin1 What specific Haydn works do you have in mind? I'm most eager to enjoy a comparative hearing, and if you could spare a moment to satisfy the earnest curiosity of a musical ignoramus, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[RodCorkin]

@polymath7

I deal with the matter in a topic at my site. Check out the topic on 'Mozart String Quintets' at Classical Music Mayhem.

[FoldesTamas]

pure splendor

[vonspre]

This music is made out of Light...Best quintet ever!!!

[AmadeusStatisitician]

@vonspre actually it's made out of a union of sets of light photons.

[alilapointe1]

the only musician in the world

[FIrefox10121996]

It is one of my musicianship set works...

[maddorox]

o.o you again xD are u aussie? cos im doing this for musicianship too...

[bluebritishphonebox]

same :)

[beethomozart]

counterpoint tendencies and diffuse ornamentation is the best way to describe this 1st movement of this extraordinery quintett,long live mozart

[jonny7classics]

I have seen and heard all three of these videos and I am very glad that I was able to listen to such good music with piece of mind that there were no distractions, from movement of video this is absolutely brilliant..thankyou for posting this