Wright Brothers

[bronzert]

Alberto Santos Dumont invented the airplane.. Wright invented a kite. Sorry Brizil WIN

[CanterburyAtheists]

HISTORY LESSON: The first person to build and fly a heavier-than-air machine was the New Zealander Richard Pearce who flew 9 months before The Wright Brothers. The Wright Brothers were the first people to perform what is called ‘controlled’ flight. The first person to actual build & fly a mechanised plane was Richard Pearce.

[guilhermeavbm]

WRONG brothers.

[Shagohud]

catapulted ????????

[euquilandesbrasil]

SANTOS DU MONT!!!!!!!

[utzdman95]

F.. FL..FLY!

[spitfireJEJ]

The Wrights did not at first even use a catapult. They had a trolley on a rail and the power to take off and fly up to 59 seconds came entirely from the aircraft itself. They introduced the catapult some time later. Santos Dumont was a great man indeed, but not the first to fly.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ Do not insist on fables. You are defending the indefensible. Dumont was the first to take off in a plane: it is fact. Recognized by the AIAA in 2006. Wright 14Bis: it is fact, the letter Ferber is evidence. The FLYER NOT FLEW IN 1903. The proven modern technology: FLEW NO REPLICA. Alpheus Drinkwater, unmask the WRIGHT. said: Flyer not fly in 1903, only glinded.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ The Flyer I had wings down, weighed 300 kg, 12HP engine and a small propeller. Appears in the diary of Wright the proof: After 1906 they abandoned the small helice, and exchanged for a greater helice. After they changed the engine for a Bariquand et Marre. Why not bring a U.S. engine? I answer: Because they never flew.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ The Flyer I, II and III did not get anywhere, and had to be catapulted. Wright said that not use the catapult in 1903. LIE! THE PHOTOGRAPH 1903 PERFECTLY SEE THE "HOOK" OF CATAPULT IN THE END OF RAIL. NOTED? THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN is full of lies.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ They argued that catapult NOT used to create the following lie: FLYING WITHOUT FOREIGN AID IN 1903. But the lie is exposed. Enlarge the photo THE ALLEGED FLIGHT 1903, You can see clearly the "hook" the catapult, LOCATED AT THE END OF RAIL. Há, Há, Há!! Wright motherfuckers, trying to fool the world again, but the truth always prevails.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ If Wright took off without catapult in 1903, would be considered the first to take off in an airplane without external Aiding. Why not recognize the AIAA Wright? Simple, the photograph of the alleged flight of 1903 proves that Wright never flew without outside help. SEE PHOTO IN THE "HOOK THE CATAPULT" AT THE END OF RAIL

[spitfireJEJ]

@agente9009 Well we shall have to agree to disagree won't we? I shall rely on pragmatism and you continue to rely on bigoted ignorance of the true facts. Also, your language and shouting does your argument no credit. Re the photo, might I ask why there is no sign of a rope on the end of the supposed "hook" on the trolley as would have been required by a catapult? Have your "last word" if you must - then go away.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ Magnify the photograph of the Flyer, aleged flight of 1903 and will see the hook at the end of the catapult track. Yes, Flyer used catapult in 1903, but not flown. Drinkwater, an American, unmasked the farse Wright: The Flyer never flew in 1903, just glided. The Flyer I, II and III were gliders and just flew in 1908, but catapulted. This is fact, will have to live with this truth. American ignorant.

[agente9009]

@spitfireJEJ In 1908 the Wrights submitted a photo claiming to be the flight of 1903. They said that not catapult used in the 1903 flight, but if you enlarge this photograph, can observed the hook of catapult at the end of the track. The picture proves that the affirmation of Wright is false. Because they lied, what reason? I answer, because the story of the flight of 1903 is a farce.

[agente9009]

@agente9009 Only a farce motivate a person to lie. What motivated the Wright lie, saying it not used a catapult in 1903? By broadening the photo de 1903, it is possible to see the hook of catapult. In summary, this lie was motivated by an intention to create a false story. There has never been flight 1903, the witnessing of Drinkwater, and the photo proves that there was not. This is fact.

[warp13]

As far as Berlinger, if it was proved to fly, it would have, at least at sometime.

regarding Jatho-Did his wing have camber-no. Could the machine roll-no. He had no control about 3-axis. The amount of drag on a flat plate with increased

A o A would have made flight impractical if not impossible. The really definition to flight is sustained-controlled-repeatabl­e.

[warp13]

There is NO proof that Berlinger EVER flew, he did FALL, that is what most eyewitnesses state. As far as Jatho, again here we hve no flat wings, no camber, so basically no lift, minimal to nothing for control, fans not propellers for propulsion and his flight could not be sustained, he himself was not satisfied with the results so why are you?

I would consider George Caylay around 1849 to deserve credit for the first to fly, or at least the pilot who flew in his first gliding machine.

[ruankallyalves]

Santos dumont for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[unusmultorumm]

The catapult was to give the aircraft the initial acceleration. what followed was a sustained flight under its own power.

Later models (before Dumont) didn't need a catapult.

[warp13]

logo-2 wrongs don't make a right.

[TrOuTster5]

I believe Alberto Santos Dumont was Brazilian and flew in France because there was $ for doing such things.

His design has been reproduced & has flown. Impressive.

Besides ASD, there is a claim that Pearse was first in the air too. His design took off on its own wheels rather than the dolly like the Wright's used. There are many claims and seemingly every country has their own first. Don't think we'll ever really know. Not important. Interesting how each designed and solved problems.

[joselucasdenada2008]

Santos Dumont foi um grande inventor e entre tantos inventos está o 14bis o primeiro avião do mundo,más a prepotencia dos americanos não os deixam aceitar que existam herois fora de suas fronteiras.

[jt2007jt2007]

The Santos Dumont did not patent its invention. It delivered its discoveries for the development of the humanity. The Brothers Wright alone thought about the money of the sales of its presumption invent.

Santos-Dumont n'a pas breveté son invention. Il a livré leurs découvertes pour le développement de l'humanité. Les Frères Wright seulement pensaient dans l'argent de la vente de leur présomption invente.

[alisson9137]

Alberto Santos Dumont - The Father of Aviation

[swissdragon15]

Alberto Santos Dumont - The Father of Aviation

[gilmareulah]

Everybody knows that was WRIGHT BROTHERS the inventors of the first air plane, and SANTOS DUMONT who put the invention together.He is not the father of the aviation......Im a brazilian and i know that.....

[swissdragon15]

everybody who? everybody in america maybe, come to europe and they will tell you different, the wright brothers showed their invention officially in 1908 in front of the crowd, why didnt they do that earlier hmm i wonder why...

[warp13]

swiss-I doubt that it is any different, the truth is the truth, just because you suffer from false nationalism doesn't mean that the rest of the world does, and is site of that history is what it is. Read what happen, not what your distortion of history is. Ever hear of a PATENT?

[swissdragon15]

lol what nationalism? Im swiss how is this nationalism hes not from Switzerland...lol

Dude please..."read what happen" where do you think i have the facts from? I got a big history encyclopedia collection where when you go under S and look for Santos Dumont, it says FATHER OF AVIATION, although its writen in german no in english thats the only difference...

[warp13]

swiss-"dude", your question why the Wrights didn't fly before the public prior to 1908 do some research, it is general knowledge that they were protective of their patents and license arrangements, does your "big history encyclopedia collection" have that information? Aside from a public display his contribution were very limited, he didn't even build his own machines, he had large amounts of cash due to his inheritance. Switzerland is closer to France than Kill Devil Hills.

[swissdragon15]

lol dude, in switzerland they teach in school the wright brothers invented the airplane, but i dont believe it, i already told you why, and you might wanna do some research also, Santos Dumont is Brazilian not French, so can i say your Mexican because its close to you guys? Give me a break. The U.S is famous for making up pretty little stories and lie about everything, so i have my reasons why i dont believe in some "facts" coming from overseas..

[warp13]

Swiss-I know he is, let's get a few things straight, the Wright Brothers did not invent the airplane , the perfected it and made controlled manned flight a reality. Dumont's was of French descent and spent a better part of his life there, he flew in France not Brazil. You obviously have an Anti-American complex, that's your problem, I suppose you doubt the moon landings as well? You are using the past administration to deny the claims of the Wrights 100 years ago?

[swissdragon15]

Ok nice to see you know the facts, no i dont have an Anti-American complex, Im just a realist, I actually lived in america for 2 years and got to see a lot of things there^^ I dont doubt the moon landing though, I havent formed an opinion about it yet. Well i believe the person who invented the airplane was the first one who managed to build one that actually flies and its a controversy about the wright brothers airplane which used a catapult and santos dumonts airplane that could fly by itself.

[warp13]

The first flights on Dec 17 1903 were not catapulted. The wind helped, however, to fly for 59 seconds in 27 mph headwind with gusts required CONTROL, that is what people don't understand, this Flyer had that ability. The envelope for the Flyer was very narrow and if you do the same calculations that Wibur did you can see that the 17 was ideal for flight. Dumont's Bis was a glorified box kite with no ability to ROLL. It also had tremendous drag and required lots of HP and ground roll.

[warp13]

swiss-You don't doubt the moon landings, you just don't believe them or have an opinion??? what does that mean?? No one person invented the airplane in concept, however like I said-the Wrights realized the success of controlled and sustained flight using movable surfaces and a machine that would itself be unstable, this was a VERY different approach to the flying problem, look it up.

[swissdragon15]

ok man i get your point, i dont know if the moon landings are fake or not...you win dude i dont feel like argueing right now, i really dont care...sorry if waisted your time...

take care

[warp13]

no problem

[swissdragon15]

sorry your in the united kingdom, i thought you were in brazil, oh well i stick with my arguement anyways...

[87Jhol87]

Alberto Santos Dumont - The Father of Aviation

[jaygoulart]

Please....It is just a song I liked with pictures...Not a debate about flight...Happy New Year

[riobabilonia]

Airplane came from Santos Dumont, engenier,brazilian, he invented also the baloon, zeppelin, the wrist watch, etc... The first airplane flight happened in Paris, Dumont win the world competition "first plane to REALLY fly and turn" and everything was watched by top world engeniers. Just google it. He built several other planes, always ahead of any other builder til he died. You can always catapult anything, like big rocks, dogs, and even planes....

[warp13]

zeppelin?????

[rod1148]

Happy Wright Brothers Day to all!

December 17, 1903 -- December 17, 2008

[pumapreto]

yes, we all know of the 1908/1909 videos of the Wrights flying the obsolete aircraft. they claimed that they flew in 1903 but there's no video. only one undated photograph that proves nothing. BY 1908, SANTOS DUMONT HAD INVENTED THE SINGLE WING AIRCRAFT, BEFORE THE CATAPULTED FLYER WAS SHOWN IN PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST TIME. TRYING TO REWRITE HISTORY DOES NOT HOLD WATER.

[warp13]

ou didn't answer my question, you just gave your opinion, what was the world view of the Wrights in 1908-1909? And how did this opinion confrim their claims made 5 years earlier? You are wrong regarding a few things, first they did not claim that this was their 1903 machine, it was a more improved version using the same principals. The photo as you call it is not, has been verified and there is more than one. actually it is the forth flight that same day that is really unique. (cont)

[warp13]

You are also wrong about the invention of the monoplane as it is correctly refered to or the tractor configuration. This was invented and used many decades before Dumont. Ader used it, so did Cayley for his glider. By 1908 Dumont monoplane could not roll, it was Louis Bleriot that recognized the need for warp which he later used on his XI. Dumont also added warp AFTER the Wrights flew in Europe. Give up on the catapult, that is the best defense you have? Look at the design.

[pumapreto]

just check the American newspapers of the era giving Alberto Santos-Dumont the credit for the first flight with a heavier-than-air by its own means. there's even an article in the 1950s citing Albert Drinkwater stating that on Dec. 17, 1903 the Wrights only glided. Drinkwater was the telegrapher who sent the telegram of the ''first flight'' to their father in Dayton OH.

[warp13]

In 1903 most people didn't understand how a flying machine would work. The press many other false claims regarding the December flights, this was their perception of what a machine should do and they needed to sell papers. As far as Dumont, his flight was all the public had witnessed at the time so the perception was logical. By the time of his flight the Wrights were very far advanced, have you read any periodicals from 1908-1909?

[GenericGene]

We are at a time in history 100 years down the track where the excitement of Karl Benz, Henry Ford and his mass produced Motor Car, Alexander Graham Bell, Guglielmo Marconi, Thomas Edison and his wonderful inventions & others that paved the development of the 20th Century has been reinstalled into the hearts and minds of those engaged in the development of technology passing into the 21st Century.

[GenericGene]

Always be positive and helpful, never hinder nor harm any race, color or creed, respect and look after mother nature for in return she will respect and look after you.

[jaygoulart]

Hey gang, Thank you for all your wonderful passionate comments about the origins of flight. But I made this video just because I liked the song and between the images and music the presentation is a metaphor for the possibilities in life, that's it no debate about who was first, just a salute to things being possible

[Edison26Alves]

VIVA !!!!! ALBERTO SANTOS DUMONT the inventor

[ocourt]

além de inventar o avião, ele ainda deu a idéia da catapulta, que hoje é utilizada nos porta-aviões, kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[Deluzzz]

AND it has to carry a person of course...

[Deluzzz]

you shouldn't see who flew first... or who invented the most aprimorated machine...

What you have to see is that an airplane flies on his own!!! and that was what Dumont has did...

So don't come saying that flying without the aid of external power has nothing to do with it... it's EXACTLY what a airplane has to do! and the machine of the wright brothers couldn't do that....

[warp13]

deluzzz-It's amazing how completely distorted your facts are regarding the work of the Wrights is. The first flights on Killl Devil Hill were not assisted, and of the 4 the last was over 800 ft. on level ground under full power with control about 3 axis. After that the Wrights used a catapult due to space limitations and a practical requirement for a government contract. You call a machine, like the 14Bis, that can't turn appropriate?

[sammiexxx21]

The first person to fly a powered, heavier than air vehicle (aeroplane) was Sir Hiram Stevens Maxim, (who is more famous for his machine gun). On Tuesday 31st July 1894 at Baldwyn's Park (formerly the site of a mental hospital, now a housing estate) in the London Borough of Bexley, his flyer was launched for the first time and successfully flew.

Ten years before the Wright brothers!

[Gercilene14]

Alberto Santos-Dumont The Father of Aviation,4EvER!!

[bubbajimmy8]

hey im related to them and i cant belive how famous they became

[ryoung1902]

It is foolish to argue with folks who know nothing about the origin of flight. Doubting the achievements and primacy of the Wrights is a demonstration of ignorance. The Wrights flew before 1906 several times without a catapult or ridge lift. Their flights were publicly observed and published. Do you suppose a Tomcat isn't flying just because it is shot off the deck of a carrier? Get a life.

[mhy249]

one word GENIUSIS...

[johnwaynelives]

Regardless of what Warp and internetcafe say the wright brothers demostrated the value of teamwork in engineering design working very effectively. The Wright Brothers provided us with an outstanding example of creativity coupled with detailed scientific knowledge methodical work habits exhaustive analysis and critical thinking in service to humanity.

[warp13]

johnwaynelives-I think that that has been my message for many posts, if you take the time to read them ,what do you mean, "regardless of what Warp says?", could you please explain? I have been supportive of the Wrights and their contribution to aviation.

[johnwaynelives]

It was nothing personal towards you Warp3 It was more aimed to internetcafe you just happened to be involved because of your discussion with him I apologize for this.

[warp13]

No need to apologize, I just didn't understand how I fit in to your comment, thanks for clearing it up. I agree 100 percent with what you mention about their "teamwork" component and the method with which they approached the flying problem, I think that alot of people don't remember or take in consideration this fact.

[internetcafe111]

Not the first motor flight. Karl Jatho's (Germany) first controlled motor-flight (17.12.1903) took place without help of a natural ridge etc..., around 4 month before Orville Wright were successful. This part of history has to be written new, affords to revise history of aviation are strengthen and soon this facts also have to be recognized in the U.S.

[warp13]

intercafe-another cut and past man on a mission to reWright history. This was a motorized flight, not a controlled flight, BIG difference.

[internetcafe111]

Just this is the point. We speak from a controlled flight. And this was realized by Karl Jatho. A full controlled (by elevator unit, rudder- and aileron) flight. Beside of this the stard was realized without any help by catapults, hills etc...

[warp13]

There is dispute as to whether or not is was controlled. There is dispute that even if there were the controls you mention, they were not sufficient to induce pitch or yaw.

[internetcafe111]

Nevertheless. The Wright brothers made a great job.

[FlavioCapimba]

Dear Warp13

unoriginal (sic !!) ?? facts, only facts, the replica that did not achieve to take off ? the Voisin, Caudron, Blériot, very, very experienced man recognize Santos Dumont flight as the first ? the refusal of the Wright to answer the Archdeacon and Deutsch invitation ? you mean this questions unoriginal ????

[warp13]

Flavio-You keeping reposting the same post, the recognized until they saw a Wright Flyer, Bleriot had wing warp as a result of the Wright design, I don't think he copied much from Dumont, maybe the color.

[warp13]

Flavio-And why shouldn't they, prior to the Wrights they had their national pride, like you. But after the Wrights flew, see who they followed and who the based their designs on.

[FlavioCapimba]

The Wright Brothers were INVITED by french authorities and refused to show anything, by the excuse of patent interests. In reality they knew that their machine could not take off, like the "2003 replica". Voisin, Blériot, Caudron and other pioneers were present at Bagatelle, October, 23 1906 and ALL eywitnessed the first human flight. For many years the american propaganda machine tried not only to impose the a false reality and tried to erase the name of Santos Dumont of anything written.

[warp13]

Flavio-Don't you think that you are over doing the cut and paste feature, very unoriginal, can't you come up with other ideas??????

[bmxer193]

i told him the same thing (on a few other vids)

[danzmf]

his 14-bis aircraft was the first that could take off without the aid of catapults, rails

[warp13]

What does that have to do with anything? I see an early film of a 14 Bis "hopping" across a field, there is no control. It can't turn. They were more concerned with control, because to them it was the process of development of the systems, not just a hit or miss like most early aviators. Look at Dumont's props, compare them to the Wrights, Dumont is using PADDLES. Are you serious when you question their aviation experience.

[gazzaneo13]

It´s fantastic!!!

But I believe that Santos Dummont invetend airplane...Yeah!!!

[warp13]

well you believe WRONG

[sillychrist]

Wright Bros. 1903 First flight.

Well documented.

Get over it.

Dumont was 1906.

[bmxer193]

well believe again!

[sadshats]

they are so cool!

[JESUSISLORDAMEN]

Amazing Alleluia