Beautiful interpretation of perhaps the most original piano sonata ever written. BTW I don't find Schumann's comment negative. The aesthetics of this sonata were just uncommon for it's time and not easily digested, as were some of Beethoven's late ones. Thanx for uploading!
there's also another interpretation of this part of sonata. before the 'wind blowing through the graves' interpretation was said (i dont remember exacly by who) during the XIX century there was quite popular opinion that the 4 part is the devils laugh at polands fall. just like the 3 part wasn't always understood as funeral of the person but funeral of poland.
yep Schumann said of this sonata: "it seems that Chopin has put together four of his most unruly children into a sonata" he particularly hated the 4th movement, as did Brahms and Mocheles.
do you know what? schumann said about this finale: "this is not music" . Modern pianists dont play this movement as Chopin wanted to be played: "sottovoce", no pedal, no melody, , no dinamic marks (just a crescendo at the end I think)... thats why this sounds like debussy... just colour...and Kissin is doing a great job
Schumann said that?!?! After all his compliments toward Chopin? I'm genuinely surprised.
It would be interesting if he had a explicit definition of "music" to compare it to... but he probably didn't, like most people who say such things. Too bad: I LOVE Schumann.
Schumann was too "classical" to understand the incredible, modern conception of Chopin's Sonata. It was a great dilemma for Chopin to exceed, with a fourth movement, the expressive power of his funeral march. So he wrote a short piece that could express the "nothing" after death, the annihilation of every human passion, , the total negation of any feeling. And he did, as it was never done before.
Yes! Though I understand the wind/leaves/gravestones image that is commonly brought up in talk of this movement, I've always found it much more profound to feel it as an ineffable sort of post-life/death experience. It's almost feels like something one would experience while sleeping, before a coherent dream sequence begins to take place -- indistinguishable splashes of color that only vaguely hint it something a human mind could recognize.
My friend Simon: Schumann did like this music , he said something like " it is like a horrendous spirit who will hit us" (or something like that). Besides, he considered this sonata as "the meeting of the four strangest sons of the composer " (the four movements). But , I think he liked this piece and Chopin´s music in general, as you said.
PD :(sorry for my english , I hope you will understand)
I see. Now THAT sounds a bit more eloquent and accurate, which is what I would expect from Schumann to begin with. Though I have to say I'm embarrassed that I hadn't the slightest idea of the finale's history OR program. Thank you.
Chopin wrote only: Presto, Sottovoce e legato, fortissimo in the last chords. In the original version, not even the triplets are marked with the number 3, there is no sign of crescendo (added later by the publisher), no indications at all.
Do you really think that Chopin, the magician of the pedals, played this Finale without using pedals? And playing it without pedal, making it little more than a study, do you think is effective? I don't think so.
I don´t know, but maybe the effect he looked for was that. It sounds better with pedal, and some crescendos... but , I mean: Chopin played this piece exactly as he wrote it (of course), so that is why Schumann and his contemporaries were surprised: no pedal , no dinamic....
it reminds me stormy winds in old cemiteries... the wind at your face.... the presences on your mind... and only Chopin can make us to feel like this... 'cause he is brilliant...
I primi tre sono esclusivamente meccanici, qui invece il tutto ha un "senso", c'è qualcosa di più espressivo, non sono solo terzine in presto e sottovoce.
Che si deve capire? Non è "Per Elisa", è un brano volutamente atonale e amelodico, il "nulla" che segue la morte. Secondo me lo fa davvero da brivido, con un pedale ineguagliabile.
I love his pedal work, but he doesn't bring out much of the melody. there is one written but it gets a little lost at times. im still a die-hard kissin fan, and despite the melody's absense this is still my favorite recording of this sonata's fourth
In my opinion, this is absolutely the best playing of the 2nd Sonata's "Finale", so completely different from renditions we are all accustomed to hear.
Using spectacular pedal effects and breathtaking rubato, Kissin creates an impressive cloud of spectral and mournful weepings. Simply shocking!
finally someone posted that
the full sonata op.35 by kissin
Sashomei 4 months ago
Amazingly beautiful ending!
notaire2 7 months ago
Beautiful interpretation of perhaps the most original piano sonata ever written. BTW I don't find Schumann's comment negative. The aesthetics of this sonata were just uncommon for it's time and not easily digested, as were some of Beethoven's late ones. Thanx for uploading!
cmonclair27 10 months ago
there's also another interpretation of this part of sonata. before the 'wind blowing through the graves' interpretation was said (i dont remember exacly by who) during the XIX century there was quite popular opinion that the 4 part is the devils laugh at polands fall. just like the 3 part wasn't always understood as funeral of the person but funeral of poland.
mx19idlewilder 1 year ago
Grazie mille, caro DesAbends.
Mi è piaciuta tantissimo.
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 year ago
yep Schumann said of this sonata: "it seems that Chopin has put together four of his most unruly children into a sonata" he particularly hated the 4th movement, as did Brahms and Mocheles.
marcohorowitz8 2 years ago
''u que miedo ''
barseba9 2 years ago
do you know what? schumann said about this finale: "this is not music" . Modern pianists dont play this movement as Chopin wanted to be played: "sottovoce", no pedal, no melody, , no dinamic marks (just a crescendo at the end I think)... thats why this sounds like debussy... just colour...and Kissin is doing a great job
henseltetude 2 years ago 2
Schumann said that?!?! After all his compliments toward Chopin? I'm genuinely surprised.
It would be interesting if he had a explicit definition of "music" to compare it to... but he probably didn't, like most people who say such things. Too bad: I LOVE Schumann.
SimonKinland 2 years ago
Schumann was too "classical" to understand the incredible, modern conception of Chopin's Sonata. It was a great dilemma for Chopin to exceed, with a fourth movement, the expressive power of his funeral march. So he wrote a short piece that could express the "nothing" after death, the annihilation of every human passion, , the total negation of any feeling. And he did, as it was never done before.
DesAbends 2 years ago 7
exactly, Schumann had never listened to such music, that is why he said that.
henseltetude 2 years ago
@DesAbends
Yes! Though I understand the wind/leaves/gravestones image that is commonly brought up in talk of this movement, I've always found it much more profound to feel it as an ineffable sort of post-life/death experience. It's almost feels like something one would experience while sleeping, before a coherent dream sequence begins to take place -- indistinguishable splashes of color that only vaguely hint it something a human mind could recognize.
cymptom 1 year ago
My friend Simon: Schumann did like this music , he said something like " it is like a horrendous spirit who will hit us" (or something like that). Besides, he considered this sonata as "the meeting of the four strangest sons of the composer " (the four movements). But , I think he liked this piece and Chopin´s music in general, as you said.
PD :(sorry for my english , I hope you will understand)
henseltetude 2 years ago
I see. Now THAT sounds a bit more eloquent and accurate, which is what I would expect from Schumann to begin with. Though I have to say I'm embarrassed that I hadn't the slightest idea of the finale's history OR program. Thank you.
(and your English is just fine; many thanks)
SimonKinland 2 years ago
Thank you too. have a look to Schumann´s comment of Chopin etude op 25 no 1... he say something similar to what I told you about this Finale...
henseltetude 2 years ago
Chopin wrote only: Presto, Sottovoce e legato, fortissimo in the last chords. In the original version, not even the triplets are marked with the number 3, there is no sign of crescendo (added later by the publisher), no indications at all.
Do you really think that Chopin, the magician of the pedals, played this Finale without using pedals? And playing it without pedal, making it little more than a study, do you think is effective? I don't think so.
DesAbends 2 years ago 3
I don´t know, but maybe the effect he looked for was that. It sounds better with pedal, and some crescendos... but , I mean: Chopin played this piece exactly as he wrote it (of course), so that is why Schumann and his contemporaries were surprised: no pedal , no dinamic....
anyway, I like Kissin´s performance .
henseltetude 2 years ago
it reminds me stormy winds in old cemiteries... the wind at your face.... the presences on your mind... and only Chopin can make us to feel like this... 'cause he is brilliant...
rodrigo09031994 2 years ago
he probably shouldnt be playing this like debussy...
dyl479 2 years ago
Sono senza parole!! ho sentito horowitz Pogorelich Pollini Michelangeli....... ma Kissin qui ci mette un qualcosa di speciale!
Grazie!
MagicDonDino 2 years ago 3
I primi tre sono esclusivamente meccanici, qui invece il tutto ha un "senso", c'è qualcosa di più espressivo, non sono solo terzine in presto e sottovoce.
DesAbends 2 years ago
Speechless...
LisztofKuwait 2 years ago
bravo...per carita'...ma non si capisce niente...
marcorho 2 years ago
Che si deve capire? Non è "Per Elisa", è un brano volutamente atonale e amelodico, il "nulla" che segue la morte. Secondo me lo fa davvero da brivido, con un pedale ineguagliabile.
DesAbends 2 years ago
Mamma mia...
Glissan 3 years ago
:-)
DesAbends 3 years ago
I love his pedal work, but he doesn't bring out much of the melody. there is one written but it gets a little lost at times. im still a die-hard kissin fan, and despite the melody's absense this is still my favorite recording of this sonata's fourth
inturtaner 3 years ago
Usually I utterly dislike Kissin's playing, but this is breathtaking. This man has soul and technique not just mechanics!
gabledvoid 3 years ago
Simply the best ideas come always from kissin. He is the best. The most emotive pianist.
optimusito 3 years ago
In my opinion, this is absolutely the best playing of the 2nd Sonata's "Finale", so completely different from renditions we are all accustomed to hear.
Using spectacular pedal effects and breathtaking rubato, Kissin creates an impressive cloud of spectral and mournful weepings. Simply shocking!
DesAbends 3 years ago
Wow
fdartmouth 3 years ago