Right and your telling me the MSY of swords was at 105% in 2007 when this video was shot? Sorry I'll call the BS flag on that one. And please spare me your oh so punishing longline regs when we know how many foreign longliners do not obey those regs fishing in international waters. Observers are good, all for it...
@TubeBoobforyou no it was 105% in 2009 so they were very high in 2007. Cant give you an exact number but not in any kind of trouble as you tree huggers would have people believe.
Gotta say my first reaction to seeing the pile of swords on the deck was disgust. Then after thinking about it as a commercial fishing method find harpooning far superior to longlining. With responsible management swords can be substainably harvested and in my opinion this is the way to do it, no bycatch. Neat vid, hope I get to catch on on hook and line one day.
This is why swordfish and other species like the Giant Bluefin Tuna are becoming commercially extinct. Population of these fisheries are 10% of what they were 100 years ago. There needs to be a morotorium on commercial sword and bluefin fishing if we hope to preserve the species for the next generation. Longliners must be banned completely worldwide, the bycatch % is disgusting...
I do and this is coming from someone who worked on a charter boat. The BYCATCH from Longlines is DISGUSTING! You know it but refuse to admit it. You refuse to look at the biomass of swords. They are on the way to commercial extinction, decimated worldwide with no global recovery plan in place. In the US longliners were banned off FL, guess what after less than 10 years swords have come back in force. Conservation works. I support limited/targeted stick boat commercial fishing for swords.
Killing For FUN, wtf? No, not just for the fun but also the thrill & the quality food aspects of sport of sportfishing is exactly why they come. Why not catch & release? It's because you lose that argument as well. What % of marlin/sailfish landed by sportfisherman in the US do you think are actually kept for consumption? So are you trying to tell me "YOUR" longline fishery has less than a 10%bycatch rate? And what exactly do you do with those sharks, cut their fins & discard the carcass maybe?
The % is a hell of a lot higher than an fish that's been hooked on a set for 12 hours. That's what I would call "tormenting"! At least w/ sportfishing the fish has a chance to get away, not so on a thousand hook longline. Comms have decimated pelagics in the US.All I am saying is look at the MSY and biomass %, the sword population is a fraction from 50 years ago. Let them recover and implement a sane comm fishery.That means targeted stick boats and rod n reel. No drift nets or longlines...
!. The fact you talk of a fish 12 hours on a hook makes evident that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT: a sword or a tuna die in not more than an hour when they are hooked on a longline.
2. when I fish for a living and for human consumption I DO NOT TORMENT A FISH, when I do it for fun and then release a hyperstressed animal, whith no or little chance of surviving, I DO TORMENT IT.
3. 50 years ago in Mediterranean we didn't have a sportfishery for tunas or swords, so the fact we have now less fishes could let me conclude that we should stop sportfishing?
4. with harpoon and rod and reel you can't make a living (at least not in Med)
5. Driftnets are banned worldwide
Please, light on your brain before open your mouth....
We are 2 people working 600hooks a day from a 33ft boat. We longline for swordfish 2 months a year. The rest of the years we longline for red breams and grouper (3 days trips). THIS IS ARTISANAL FISHERY nothing to do with what you're talking about.
It's always the same: anal ritentive like you pontificating from their offices pushing the politicians to make laws without any sense - people like me wasting time discussing with imbeciles like you.
Longliners and Draggers are the bane of fishermen around the world. It is an unsustainable practice that decimates all species including juvenille swords, marlin, sea turtles and other species as "bycatch". Support Stick boats and rod n reel commercials who carefully target each fish with no byctach to speak of. Create a reasonable quota that allows the biomass to recover.
What are you doing for a living? You are a fisherman and you're talking of something you know or (as I'm sure of) you work with your legs under a desK? Pontificating about other people's way of living is as easy as "beeing homosexual with other's ass" - try to be it with yrs.....
I work in federal law enforcement and no I don't work in an office although I used to back in the day. You have no answer to the obvious destruction caused by longline gear. The bycatch of unwanted pelagics, juvenille swords and other non-targeted species is disgusting. I am not against commercial fishing, quite the contrary. I am merely advocating for a targeted approach such as the highly selective stick boat method, longlining while profitable is unsustainable and highly destructive.
Did you ever fish on a longline boat? Did you ever seen with yr own eyes what you're talking about?
I agree with restrictions - every fisherman knows they r necessaries - but NO BAN!!
You so called sportfishermen are so against we longliner because we fish tunas n swords, both species you fish too: what about draggers with cods, n all the other species you don't fish for?
I have friends and even some family that have fished commercially up in Alaska for Halibut. Fisherman are not against longliners b/c they target swords and tuna it's the method and bycatch. I doubt a set on one of your lines is less than 100hooks and they are all probably J hooks as well. You know as well as I do that pelagics ie. Apex Predators such as Sharks,Marlin and juvenille swords won't last 1 hour on a longline set. Watch SWORDS on Discovery and see how much these guys waste the resource
You didn't answer to my questions, so I repeat them: "Did you ever fish on a longline boat? Did you ever seen with yr own eyes what you're talking about?"
When I speak about this argument I'm talking about something I know PERSONALLY, you instead, my friend, are talking about what you saw on Discovery TV or you've read on sportfishing magazines sponsorized by the sportfisher lobby.
For swords we set 600 hooks a night, not J hooks cause they all right for tunas not for sword - we're not jokeing, we go for a living, As I told you before I DON'T HAVE SIGNIFICANT BYCATCH RATE:
@TubeBoobforyou You are telling fishermen who actually longline fish to watch the discovery channel "reality" show about longlining to understand the longline fishery???? You cant be that dumb!!!
@Longliner2011 No stupid, I'm merely saying that bycatch and juvenilles are cleverly edited out to depict longlining as some kind of perefect fishing method. You can't argue with the efficiency and bycatch mortality rates on a stick boat.
@TubeBoobforyou Efficiency on a stick boat? Are you kiddin? You have to steam 100 miles offshore(big fuel bill),can only stick during the day and the weather has to be flat calm all in the hopes of sighting and sticking 5-10 fish if your lucky...thats not effecient. Selective yes...efficient no.
@TubeBoobforyou not too many pup/rat hookups when you use 18/0 circle hooks.the ones you do catch are released alive. most bycatch is released alive since we switched over to circles. nmfs observer stats prove this just take the time to do some research. just look around youtube and see how many rec fishermen off fla are catching and gaffing juvies then high fivin each other like its a double marker. a bunch of rec fishermen using electric reels now also...not very sporting is it?
@Longliner2011 Yeah I'm a meter reader and part-time fisherman who has worked on a commercial boat before. Why don't you just admit that there are better ways at selectively harvesting pelagics?
Ah, now I remember you..... the ex charter boat mate now passing the day with the legs under a desk.
I'm sure you r a real conservationist: you buy what you don't need and you change car every 2 years because yr neighbors MUST know you r a succesful man and so on ...
I could care less what my neighbor's think. I would however like the next generation to have the chance at catching a swordfish. The commercials and their powerful lobbies have profits in mind first without regard to the sustainability of the resource. George's Bank ring a bell? How about the Bluefin population now less than 10% of it's historical size. Selective targeting and sustainble quotas are comepletely necessary in managing the resource.
Jackass...the Atlantic swordfish is at 105% of maximum sustainable yield. There are just as many swords now as have ever been. Both Canadian and US longline fishermen have to abide by regulations you cannot fathom. To start with we HAVE to use 16-18/0 circle hooks not J hooks as you claim. Circle hooks prevent gut hooking and therefore allow us to release by catch alive. We have to carry govt observers. You are misinformed and to ignorant to educate yourself before judging.
u dont get it, harpooning is good because otherwise theyd net EVERYTHING. Some people do stuff like this for restaurants. I went on vacation in the outer banks NC and a restaurant was called the Blue Gill, so they actually had their staff, who owned a boat, to go harpoon it every week to keep it in stock.
I do get it and harpooning is certainly 100x better than longlining with no bycatch. However having said that, the swords are in worldwide decline and only a fraction of their population 50 years ago. We need to let the swords come back to a healthy sustainable population and then let the harpooners back under a realistic quota system.
if you listen to the narration, you'll hear the guy behind the camera say "the master striker has earned his points today." These guys aren't longliners. They're "strikers" (AKA harpoon swordfishermen). This is a selective fishery and absolutely the most sustainable way to catch swordfish.
Right and your telling me the MSY of swords was at 105% in 2007 when this video was shot? Sorry I'll call the BS flag on that one. And please spare me your oh so punishing longline regs when we know how many foreign longliners do not obey those regs fishing in international waters. Observers are good, all for it...
TubeBoobforyou 4 weeks ago
@TubeBoobforyou no it was 105% in 2009 so they were very high in 2007. Cant give you an exact number but not in any kind of trouble as you tree huggers would have people believe.
Longliner2011 4 weeks ago
I love the look of money in its rawest form.
ThatsMrMoronToYou 7 months ago
i dont remember faving this a wek ago, i fact, i wasnt on the computer at all a week ago...
Germancutie12 2 years ago
For Joshuahumbeck:
sonny, i don't understand why you post me comments and later removed them.
Anyway I don't "take tourists out sportfishing" because I'm a fisherman and that's what I want to be, that's all.
scurpenin 3 years ago
Gotta say my first reaction to seeing the pile of swords on the deck was disgust. Then after thinking about it as a commercial fishing method find harpooning far superior to longlining. With responsible management swords can be substainably harvested and in my opinion this is the way to do it, no bycatch. Neat vid, hope I get to catch on on hook and line one day.
joedaddy5050 3 years ago
ty for conserveing the fish that are becomeing smaller and smaller every day!
lolilikesnakes 3 years ago
Excellent job! Let's support our harpoon fishery!
B1900pilot 3 years ago
This is why swordfish and other species like the Giant Bluefin Tuna are becoming commercially extinct. Population of these fisheries are 10% of what they were 100 years ago. There needs to be a morotorium on commercial sword and bluefin fishing if we hope to preserve the species for the next generation. Longliners must be banned completely worldwide, the bycatch % is disgusting...
TubeBoobforyou 3 years ago
What you're talking about?
Completely ban longlining worldwide?
Did you smoked something?
I better don't say what I think of you and people like you.
Don't pontificate about things you do not know.
It's very sad that all over the world we fisherman have to defend ourselves and our way of living from such ignorant people.
From Italy a commercial fisherman.
scurpenin 3 years ago
I do and this is coming from someone who worked on a charter boat. The BYCATCH from Longlines is DISGUSTING! You know it but refuse to admit it. You refuse to look at the biomass of swords. They are on the way to commercial extinction, decimated worldwide with no global recovery plan in place. In the US longliners were banned off FL, guess what after less than 10 years swords have come back in force. Conservation works. I support limited/targeted stick boat commercial fishing for swords.
TubeBoobforyou 3 years ago
Charter boats, i.e. BEING PAID by PEOPLE WHO KILL ANIMALS NOT FOR A LIVING, JUST FOR FUN: is it your idea of conservation?
Do not even try to talk of catch and release: it's something even more stupid and disgusting.
I longline for swords and the bycatch I have are:
- rays (released alive because not edible)
- blue sharks (keeped because edible)
- sea turtles (1/2 every 2 years, obviously released alive or consigned to a specialized center)
(to be continued)
scurpenin 3 years ago
Anyway,
I'm a fisherman:
- I go fishing and every fish I kill is for human consumption
- I'm owner/captain of my boat and I'm master of myself
You're charterboat mate (perhaps):
- You take other people fishing because they enjoy killing fishes solely for fun
In a perfect world what I do for living should be considered MORAL, what you do HIGHLY IMMORAL.
Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world.
Think about it.....
scurpenin 3 years ago
Killing For FUN, wtf? No, not just for the fun but also the thrill & the quality food aspects of sport of sportfishing is exactly why they come. Why not catch & release? It's because you lose that argument as well. What % of marlin/sailfish landed by sportfisherman in the US do you think are actually kept for consumption? So are you trying to tell me "YOUR" longline fishery has less than a 10%bycatch rate? And what exactly do you do with those sharks, cut their fins & discard the carcass maybe?
TubeBoobforyou 3 years ago
Catch and release, i.e. tormenting a fish, even for hours, then let it go: what's the % of surviving fish?
In my bycatch rate there's no waste:
I sell the blue shark (5 euros per kilo);
in Italy we eat them, like we do with porbeagle and thresher.
scurpenin 3 years ago
The % is a hell of a lot higher than an fish that's been hooked on a set for 12 hours. That's what I would call "tormenting"! At least w/ sportfishing the fish has a chance to get away, not so on a thousand hook longline. Comms have decimated pelagics in the US.All I am saying is look at the MSY and biomass %, the sword population is a fraction from 50 years ago. Let them recover and implement a sane comm fishery.That means targeted stick boats and rod n reel. No drift nets or longlines...
TubeBoobforyou 3 years ago
!. The fact you talk of a fish 12 hours on a hook makes evident that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT: a sword or a tuna die in not more than an hour when they are hooked on a longline.
2. when I fish for a living and for human consumption I DO NOT TORMENT A FISH, when I do it for fun and then release a hyperstressed animal, whith no or little chance of surviving, I DO TORMENT IT.
to be continued
scurpenin 3 years ago
3. 50 years ago in Mediterranean we didn't have a sportfishery for tunas or swords, so the fact we have now less fishes could let me conclude that we should stop sportfishing?
4. with harpoon and rod and reel you can't make a living (at least not in Med)
5. Driftnets are banned worldwide
Please, light on your brain before open your mouth....
scurpenin 3 years ago
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joshuahumbeck 3 years ago
You're talking about things you don't know.
We are 2 people working 600hooks a day from a 33ft boat. We longline for swordfish 2 months a year. The rest of the years we longline for red breams and grouper (3 days trips). THIS IS ARTISANAL FISHERY nothing to do with what you're talking about.
It's always the same: anal ritentive like you pontificating from their offices pushing the politicians to make laws without any sense - people like me wasting time discussing with imbeciles like you.
scurpenin 3 years ago
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joshuahumbeck 3 years ago
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joshuahumbeck 3 years ago
Longliners and Draggers are the bane of fishermen around the world. It is an unsustainable practice that decimates all species including juvenille swords, marlin, sea turtles and other species as "bycatch". Support Stick boats and rod n reel commercials who carefully target each fish with no byctach to speak of. Create a reasonable quota that allows the biomass to recover.
TubeBoobforyou 2 years ago
What are you doing for a living? You are a fisherman and you're talking of something you know or (as I'm sure of) you work with your legs under a desK? Pontificating about other people's way of living is as easy as "beeing homosexual with other's ass" - try to be it with yrs.....
scurpenin 2 years ago
I work in federal law enforcement and no I don't work in an office although I used to back in the day. You have no answer to the obvious destruction caused by longline gear. The bycatch of unwanted pelagics, juvenille swords and other non-targeted species is disgusting. I am not against commercial fishing, quite the contrary. I am merely advocating for a targeted approach such as the highly selective stick boat method, longlining while profitable is unsustainable and highly destructive.
TubeBoobforyou 2 years ago
Did you ever fish on a longline boat? Did you ever seen with yr own eyes what you're talking about?
I agree with restrictions - every fisherman knows they r necessaries - but NO BAN!!
You so called sportfishermen are so against we longliner because we fish tunas n swords, both species you fish too: what about draggers with cods, n all the other species you don't fish for?
scurpenin 2 years ago
I have friends and even some family that have fished commercially up in Alaska for Halibut. Fisherman are not against longliners b/c they target swords and tuna it's the method and bycatch. I doubt a set on one of your lines is less than 100hooks and they are all probably J hooks as well. You know as well as I do that pelagics ie. Apex Predators such as Sharks,Marlin and juvenille swords won't last 1 hour on a longline set. Watch SWORDS on Discovery and see how much these guys waste the resource
TubeBoobforyou 2 years ago
You didn't answer to my questions, so I repeat them: "Did you ever fish on a longline boat? Did you ever seen with yr own eyes what you're talking about?"
When I speak about this argument I'm talking about something I know PERSONALLY, you instead, my friend, are talking about what you saw on Discovery TV or you've read on sportfishing magazines sponsorized by the sportfisher lobby.
scurpenin 2 years ago
For swords we set 600 hooks a night, not J hooks cause they all right for tunas not for sword - we're not jokeing, we go for a living, As I told you before I DON'T HAVE SIGNIFICANT BYCATCH RATE:
- sharks SELLED (they are edible in Italy)
- rays RELEASED ALIVE
- sea turtles 3 in 10 years RELEASED ALIVE
- tunas SELLED
- dolphins - dorados SELLED
scurpenin 2 years ago
@TubeBoobforyou You are telling fishermen who actually longline fish to watch the discovery channel "reality" show about longlining to understand the longline fishery???? You cant be that dumb!!!
Longliner2011 1 month ago
@Longliner2011 No stupid, I'm merely saying that bycatch and juvenilles are cleverly edited out to depict longlining as some kind of perefect fishing method. You can't argue with the efficiency and bycatch mortality rates on a stick boat.
TubeBoobforyou 4 weeks ago
@TubeBoobforyou Efficiency on a stick boat? Are you kiddin? You have to steam 100 miles offshore(big fuel bill),can only stick during the day and the weather has to be flat calm all in the hopes of sighting and sticking 5-10 fish if your lucky...thats not effecient. Selective yes...efficient no.
Longliner2011 4 weeks ago
@TubeBoobforyou not too many pup/rat hookups when you use 18/0 circle hooks.the ones you do catch are released alive. most bycatch is released alive since we switched over to circles. nmfs observer stats prove this just take the time to do some research. just look around youtube and see how many rec fishermen off fla are catching and gaffing juvies then high fivin each other like its a double marker. a bunch of rec fishermen using electric reels now also...not very sporting is it?
Longliner2011 3 weeks ago
******I work in federal law enforcement *******
This explains you jumping to conclusions without knowing any real facts about longlining.
Longliner2011 1 month ago
@Longliner2011 Yeah I'm a meter reader and part-time fisherman who has worked on a commercial boat before. Why don't you just admit that there are better ways at selectively harvesting pelagics?
TubeBoobforyou 4 weeks ago
Ah, now I remember you..... the ex charter boat mate now passing the day with the legs under a desk.
I'm sure you r a real conservationist: you buy what you don't need and you change car every 2 years because yr neighbors MUST know you r a succesful man and so on ...
scurpenin 2 years ago
I could care less what my neighbor's think. I would however like the next generation to have the chance at catching a swordfish. The commercials and their powerful lobbies have profits in mind first without regard to the sustainability of the resource. George's Bank ring a bell? How about the Bluefin population now less than 10% of it's historical size. Selective targeting and sustainble quotas are comepletely necessary in managing the resource.
TubeBoobforyou 2 years ago
@TubeBoobforyou
Jackass...the Atlantic swordfish is at 105% of maximum sustainable yield. There are just as many swords now as have ever been. Both Canadian and US longline fishermen have to abide by regulations you cannot fathom. To start with we HAVE to use 16-18/0 circle hooks not J hooks as you claim. Circle hooks prevent gut hooking and therefore allow us to release by catch alive. We have to carry govt observers. You are misinformed and to ignorant to educate yourself before judging.
Longliner2011 1 month ago
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Longliner2011 1 month ago
u dont get it, harpooning is good because otherwise theyd net EVERYTHING. Some people do stuff like this for restaurants. I went on vacation in the outer banks NC and a restaurant was called the Blue Gill, so they actually had their staff, who owned a boat, to go harpoon it every week to keep it in stock.
Pimpmastahanhduece 4 years ago
I do get it and harpooning is certainly 100x better than longlining with no bycatch. However having said that, the swords are in worldwide decline and only a fraction of their population 50 years ago. We need to let the swords come back to a healthy sustainable population and then let the harpooners back under a realistic quota system.
TubeBoobforyou 3 years ago
i completely agree, i guess u DO get it
Pimpmastahanhduece 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
stop this shit
radevaux 4 years ago
Yeah! That looks like a good day! When was this video shot?
What boat is this? My father captains the FV Unicorn and we fish Georges Bank too.
Harpoon swordfishing's the only way to go.
theGreenSquid 4 years ago
I wonder how long any fishery could withstain this type of abuse. dicks. KEEP THE LONGLINERS OUT OF SOFLO!!!
HeadHunters3 4 years ago
if you listen to the narration, you'll hear the guy behind the camera say "the master striker has earned his points today." These guys aren't longliners. They're "strikers" (AKA harpoon swordfishermen). This is a selective fishery and absolutely the most sustainable way to catch swordfish.
theGreenSquid 4 years ago
SCREW THE LONGLINERS
Birdy68 4 years ago