Could it not be argued that we are getting something from the fractal elves while on hallucinogens? These states are often characterized by "funny ideas" as anyone who has taken them knows. However, what is really being done is the boundaries of language are being pushed. Our realities seem to be built of language in some way, so if we are able to communicate our experiences and ideas effectively, a new model of reality can be communicated and fixed.
I don’t get this? It sounds like you’re trying to “convince yourself” of your interpretations and not the viewers. Why? Why do you care what other people believe?
You still haven’t solved the question: “What is reality?” If our subject has cancer and talks to the Angels and asks them to heal him – and in the morning the cancer is gone then you would say “placebo effect” – which is meaningless. So are the Angels real and part of reality? – yes! – because the subjects mind makes them real.
Thank you for this informative video and explaining the truth we human animals all seem to share. I agree with you on all points. It reminds me of the days when I still was a person influenced by religion. I was brought up that way and when I was 13 years old, experiencing horrendous nightmares, my brain truly thought I was possessed by "the devil". Luckily I overcame the mental illness called religion and now I'm fortunate to be here, in an empirical, consciousness state of mind.
I agree with what you said. Being a mystic myself who engages in transcendental activity (samadhi) on daily basis I dont disagree with your points you made. The only thing I will reject from you is your doubt that consciousness(proto-consciousness,to use more precise term)is the ground of our being.
Yes, I just posted a video about internal vs external, except I was referring to it differently, but its the same concept. EVERYTHING is interpreted internally. From many variable psychological mind states, I know that my experience of the world is directly related to my internal workings or my "engine" if you will. Focusing on the external will not make us any smarter, better at being manipulative, or better at interacting with humans. I personally like to nurture my inner experience.
Wow. Solipsism... solipsism... solipsism. Finally, someone gets it. All experience is hallucination. We decide on what is "real" by discussing our hallucinations with other perceivers, and the conclusions drawn from that discussion is what we call the "world." Trouble is, even the other perceivers are things we perceive internally. Really, this is enough to create doubt that even matter exists.
A bit too literal. We all understand that every conception we have of the world is in our brain, but instead of saying, ow my head hurts, we specify where the pain is to us. Yes in reality our perceptions are in our brains, but we're not a race known to be completely critical. You think about fact too much. You should consider why we don't view everything as exact as you see it. This isn't meant to be mean or disrespectful, just an opinion.
The abstractions we understand reality through are accurate enough to help us find food and the genitals of the opposite sex. Thats all that is needed for the next generation to come about, so thats what is selected for. Figuring out the nature of the universe has always ranked lower on our brain's importance levels compared to getting laid. Because of this, our perceptions will be fundamentaly flawed.
(Cont). But we are considering the human experience. More than 99.9 percent of life we know of, is not human... and we have no idea what their reality is. Some educated peeps like to think they do, based on their perceptions of what they think other species perceive or feel. But that is based on our understanding of human emotions. My cat for example. I think I know him, his emotions, but I simply haven't a clue his reality in his brain.
Yeop. Interesting video. Thanks. Without drugs last year, I experienced delusions of grandeur. For a few days, "my reality", was altered dramatically. It was amazing, like being on the best high of your life, for several days. In reality, I was delusional. I started relating to movies like "Phenomenon", as I felt super smart, & the movie "The Sixth Sense". Thought maybe I died and was in heaven, and it was a test for atheists, LOL. The brain is an interesting to place to live in Mike.
I know what you mean about dreams mingling with reality. Sometimes I have a dream that begins with me waking up in bed. Other times, I wake up and the things from the dream still seem real. Our brains do freaky shit sometimes.
Ha ha, it's an interesting point that humans have evolved not to question their visual perceptions (as with tigers), but you make it sound as if it is a bad thing that we've evolved to live and act pragmatically. The instance you bring up seems to overrepresent the few who actually convince themselves they are seeing something that isn't verifiable. Generally speaking, humans only perceive what is verifiable, and thus accomplish more by ignoring irrelevant philosophy - and all it's limitations
You should talk about this thing called confirmation bias. Where we only search for evidence that agrees with what we believe, and anything that disproves or conflicts it, we take as irrelative.
And because this is true, because doctors and psychologists understand this, this is why we can tell that someone is delusional.
Lastly. Christians, differences don't mean an indication for a need for conflict. It means...difference. I am sorry I don't tie my shoes the same way you do, cause basically, thats what you're saying. As long as I have it tied and I can walk without tripping.
I rarely had these.. "near life experiences", when stuff seems so vivid that, compared to the default state of mind, which is usually filled with constant thought image, music and is kinda fuzzy, was so incredibly vivid, that it seemed I'm somehow mentally elevated. I figured maybe that's something someone on lsd would feel like, but I didn't have any visions and never did any heavy drugs. Just that realer then real incredibly vivid perception. Maybe someone else had the same?
I used to have nightmares very often.Actually same nightmare again and again.It was like real.I was in my own bed,own bedroom,here is my tv set,there my clothes.And my roommate again coming and sitting on my chest.I can not breathe.He wants me to die.Than people said move out and I did.Nightmares stopped (of course after I got myself a new set of bed sheets.the kind you dont get wrapped up in breathless and have nightmares)
I once had a painful neck injury. There were blue jellyfish floating through the halls of the hospital. Whenever I talked about them, people laughed at me. I noticed the tube in my arm, pumping in some kind of drug. Then, I knew it was all in my head...but the jellyfish remained quite vivid. Oh, and for a brief moment, I thought I was hidden behind a waterfall in my sister's house. But my sister doesn't own a house...
Oh yeah:::::::::Another book you may be interested in: The Terror That Comes In The Night. You might find this book interesting due to the hypnogogic (spelling) state of waking asleep mind. Sleep paralysis/ the old hag and the screaming sick squishes.
"The machine elves", the "mantis people", "gnomes" "theranthropes and others are shared encounters across the board when humans ingest certain types of hallucinogens. I now believe they are archetypal and oddly enough platonic. No, I don't believe they exist out there, on/in some planet or dimension but have an existence in the collective mind of the human species. As for NDEs/OBEs I'm indecisive, leaning towards validity. Thanks again for sharing your self with us, Sol
the fact that it's my own world.. that my mind can generate such immense experiences.. i've always known this to be the case, and it has always made my trips wondrously special to me. my friend is convinced he sees the physical manifestation of his soul/spirit in his journeys, but i've never had the heart or the inclination to really try to dissuade him. he's convinced, and defensive about it. i like to know what's taking place in my brain. it really augments the wonder of it all
All thought is abstract. This is why we get in trouble with our beliefs; we interpret the world with abstract thoughts and we confuse abstract ideas with the physically real. As an example of this, try to explain to a conservative Christian that words are representational and not literal... it's a fools errand.
I've also had dream-crossing-into-reality experiences throughout my life... It's trippy as balls, and when I was younger I also attributed it to aliens and the supernatural.
Would you consider somebody else seeing what you see without any form of communication or suggestion of the thing before hand external valification? Like if 2 people who have never met and don't come into contact with any of the same people/things both say that they saw a talking pink floating door handle, would you consider that external valifaction?
Hey Sol, speaking of Psychos, has Eye been doing any more vids on you? I unsubscribed from him, I got tired of racking my brain to figure if he was a poe or not and figured he was getting too much attention either way.
Have u ever wondered if maybe intelligence is merely a fluke of nature ...? What if it's actually an abnormality in the same way it would be odd for an ant to all the sudden become intelligent?
This should all be common knowledge now. Alas, people are idiots. And these are the people living in the wealthy parts of the world where we have access to education. We are seriously doomed.
I agree with much of what you say. I think you did allude to this, but could you clarify your position on objective reality? I've been hearing lots from people lately who claim that there's no objective reality (by way of your argument, but taking it further) and thus, basically, nothing can be known, and thus (ready?): faith is god is equal to faith in science.
What is your best definition of objective reality, Sol?
I guess I'm asking if you have an even more effective response, though. Because "what doesn't go away" can also be categorized as different for everybody, to play the devil's advocate.
Off the top of my head, I'm thinking along the lines of a consistent pattern manifested by a specific interaction of each person with the physical world, such that an objective reality reveals itself.
Excellent vid. There is a great video by Philhellenes .. i think its called "A god born of fear" which touches on the subject of how early mans brain worked. .. and the music is the scariest fucking music I've ever heard.
do you watch any other podcasts? if so, which ones would you recommend?
also, I've had similar problems with waking up and hallucinating in the middle of the night. i looked it up (and had it verified by a neurologist) and found it to be sleep paralysis (as a disease). The category of 'symtoms and characteristics' on the 'Sleep Paralysis' wikipedia page has some pretty good descriptions of this.
wow you started with a sound philosophical concepts and then completely missed the point. You have no justification to argue that everyday perceptions are more "real", what ever that means, than hallucination.
You're using trying to use others to objective some of your perceptions, you cant. Even if we grant that the people you interact with are real beyond your perceptions. Just because we form a kinda of consensus about our shared perceptions doesn't make those perceptions objective. If human beings presumably all perceive reality one way and one person is changed so that his perceptions are changed. his perceptions are not any less real than the majority...
If everyone else was changed similarity then they too could possible experience these new perceptions and the consensus would make that the new true "reality". So your first observation in this video is true... you just need to apply it to isn't ultimate conclusion... We have no access to object reality. Too say that getting on a bus is more objectively true then say out of body experiences is unjustifiable philosophically speaking.
Thats all well and good, but then how would our common observations be so damn functional? I can see this conversation making more sense in ancient Greece, but for shits sake, we've been the the damn moon. We can predict the behaviour of celestial objects. We're having this discussion on a machine dependant on accurate predictions of physical properties.
"how would our common observations be so damn functional?"
Why do you assume that other perceptions modes would not be functional? We only learned to manipulate the world we know by observing how our actions effect our perceptions of the world. I would be the same in any other mode of perception.
"but for shits sake, we've been the the damn moon."
I'm not saying these things are not real, there as real as we will ever get but I am saying you have no justification to call other perceptions unreal. You're assuming you know what is objectively true when no one does and you are contradicting yourself with the beginning of this video which was correct.
Ah, I see what you mean. My perceptions are just as flawed as everyone elses, so calling their experience unreal is a bit hypocritical. If you take DMT, and have a chat with the fractal elves, I cannot say that experience was not real, as it was created by the same neural world building software my brain uses.
The DMT user's experience is real, but what I question is whether we have any reason to believe there are such things as fractal elves
"My perceptions are just as flawed as everyone elses, so calling their experience unreal is a bit hypocritical."
Indeed.
"as it was created by the same neural world building software my brain uses."
But remember brains and neural nets are also just perceptions. So far mind or conscience is not reducible to brain. This is called the hard problem in science. We can no more know there is actually a brain than we can fractal elves or the moon.
"My perceptions are just as flawed as everyone elses, so calling their experience unreal is a bit hypocritical."
Indeed.
"as it was created by the same neural world building software my brain uses."
But remember brains and neural nets are also just perceptions. So far mind or conscience is not reducible to brain. This is called the hard problem in science. We can no more know there is actually a brain than we can fractal elves or the moon.
I really can't believe their experiences have teased something out of the physical world that my experience has not, unless they can present something that shows they really are accessing a hidden aspect of reality - hence my comment about getting information from the fractal elves. If someone gained access to information that they should not have been able to figure out by talking to the fractal elves, that would make their case that such beings exist more convincing.
"I really can't believe their experiences have teased something out of the physical world"
What makes one the physical world and the other not? If someone took DMT, their perceptions would change and they would perceive a different world but those perception are not any closer to objective reality than before. No doubt different perception come with different rule sets. One perceptional mode my not give you explicit insight into another.
@SolRosenberg84: The bible does, if properly interpreted, lead you to a life full of glorious ecstasy. Just what did you think Jesus meant when he said he would turn Peter into a 'fissure of men'? :D
Well, as far as I understand, the observations by which we record data are based on consensus (peer review and repetition) - so I don't see how saying that is too much of a stretch.
The difference between a "god experience" on hallucinogens and a "god experience" without such, is that after it's over you can say "aha! It was the hallucinogen doing something funny with my brain chemistry", whereas if one didn't take a drug, one can play mental games to convince oneself that it was "real" and not a result of a brain chemistry burp. Studies have confirmed that psychedelic-like experiences can and DO happen without drugs.
That's just what *they* want you to believe. The scientists are playing with your head to make you reject the truth! Scienceism is a false religion, turn to Allah, my friend. He'll guide you to perfect.
@iPhap "Scienceism is a false religion". That might be true. But I don't worship science, nor does anyone I know. There is is a difference between blind worship (such as what one might do with Allah) and respect for rational, repeatable, demonstrable evidence. I don't want Allah to guide me anywhere. I want to know facts. Science provides facts, religious books do not.
Sol, they mentioned the brain "seeing" a tiger on a recent episode of NOVA scienceNOW called "How Does the Brain Work?" You should be able to watch the whole episode from their website. Really interesting stuff.
On my 40 minuet bus ride home when I'm very tired I'm often just on the edge of falling to sleep. I sometimes see thing that are not real. About 2 weeks ago I was dozing off and I thought I had spilled strawberry yogurt on myself so I jolted awake and realised that I didn't have any yogurt and the pink thing on my leg was actually my hand.
I'm tired of people using their experiences (specifically NDE/OBE, etc.) to try to prove their beliefs. Just look at the work of Michael Shermer or James Randi debunking the supernatural, or maybe just research, you can see that is it tragically easy to fool the mind. Shermer participated in an experiment that subjected his brain to magnets. He had dreams and "visions" of aliens, ghosts and demons. It's a shame how gullible we are, and how sensitive our brains are.
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Could it not be argued that we are getting something from the fractal elves while on hallucinogens? These states are often characterized by "funny ideas" as anyone who has taken them knows. However, what is really being done is the boundaries of language are being pushed. Our realities seem to be built of language in some way, so if we are able to communicate our experiences and ideas effectively, a new model of reality can be communicated and fixed.
Savantrick 3 weeks ago
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Savantrick 3 weeks ago
I don’t get this? It sounds like you’re trying to “convince yourself” of your interpretations and not the viewers. Why? Why do you care what other people believe?
lawshorizon 1 month ago
You still haven’t solved the question: “What is reality?” If our subject has cancer and talks to the Angels and asks them to heal him – and in the morning the cancer is gone then you would say “placebo effect” – which is meaningless. So are the Angels real and part of reality? – yes! – because the subjects mind makes them real.
lawshorizon 1 month ago
WNYC's Radiolab is awesome , thx a LOT for that link!!
efaelka1 4 months ago
Thank you for this informative video and explaining the truth we human animals all seem to share. I agree with you on all points. It reminds me of the days when I still was a person influenced by religion. I was brought up that way and when I was 13 years old, experiencing horrendous nightmares, my brain truly thought I was possessed by "the devil". Luckily I overcame the mental illness called religion and now I'm fortunate to be here, in an empirical, consciousness state of mind.
MoonTribe 7 months ago
dude, you are awesome! but please talk slower, i am swedish and fast english is hard when you are high.
smaskeriff 8 months ago
sorry I forgot to add 'not ' in the last sentence before the word ground
qcon81 9 months ago
I agree with what you said. Being a mystic myself who engages in transcendental activity (samadhi) on daily basis I dont disagree with your points you made. The only thing I will reject from you is your doubt that consciousness(proto-consciousness,to use more precise term)is the ground of our being.
qcon81 9 months ago
Yes, I just posted a video about internal vs external, except I was referring to it differently, but its the same concept. EVERYTHING is interpreted internally. From many variable psychological mind states, I know that my experience of the world is directly related to my internal workings or my "engine" if you will. Focusing on the external will not make us any smarter, better at being manipulative, or better at interacting with humans. I personally like to nurture my inner experience.
AMCabode 10 months ago
sol rosenberg....are you the jew ?
How did you be a jew ? where's all that golds you has been stole ?
Oy vey
zielinski91 10 months ago
Wow. Solipsism... solipsism... solipsism. Finally, someone gets it. All experience is hallucination. We decide on what is "real" by discussing our hallucinations with other perceivers, and the conclusions drawn from that discussion is what we call the "world." Trouble is, even the other perceivers are things we perceive internally. Really, this is enough to create doubt that even matter exists.
YountFilm 10 months ago
still the best vlogger on youtube
nbarrett100 11 months ago
A bit too literal. We all understand that every conception we have of the world is in our brain, but instead of saying, ow my head hurts, we specify where the pain is to us. Yes in reality our perceptions are in our brains, but we're not a race known to be completely critical. You think about fact too much. You should consider why we don't view everything as exact as you see it. This isn't meant to be mean or disrespectful, just an opinion.
firemonkchris 11 months ago
@firemonkchris
We don't see things as they are because
1. We can't.
2. We don't have to.
The abstractions we understand reality through are accurate enough to help us find food and the genitals of the opposite sex. Thats all that is needed for the next generation to come about, so thats what is selected for. Figuring out the nature of the universe has always ranked lower on our brain's importance levels compared to getting laid. Because of this, our perceptions will be fundamentaly flawed.
SolRosenberg84 11 months ago
Are you a teacher and/or a counselor?
polarchucky 11 months ago
@polarchucky
Nope. I'm a student.
SolRosenberg84 11 months ago
that point you made at 0:55 is probably the most comprehensive and well compacted and accurate explanation of human perception I have ever heard.
FactVsReligion 1 year ago 4
(Cont). But we are considering the human experience. More than 99.9 percent of life we know of, is not human... and we have no idea what their reality is. Some educated peeps like to think they do, based on their perceptions of what they think other species perceive or feel. But that is based on our understanding of human emotions. My cat for example. I think I know him, his emotions, but I simply haven't a clue his reality in his brain.
rich0319726 1 year ago
Yeop. Interesting video. Thanks. Without drugs last year, I experienced delusions of grandeur. For a few days, "my reality", was altered dramatically. It was amazing, like being on the best high of your life, for several days. In reality, I was delusional. I started relating to movies like "Phenomenon", as I felt super smart, & the movie "The Sixth Sense". Thought maybe I died and was in heaven, and it was a test for atheists, LOL. The brain is an interesting to place to live in Mike.
rich0319726 1 year ago
why do people find this so hard to understand, its simple
latintime 1 year ago
How about how the DNA double helix was discovered from LSD use by Francis Crick
260SEANFU260 1 year ago
I know what you mean about dreams mingling with reality. Sometimes I have a dream that begins with me waking up in bed. Other times, I wake up and the things from the dream still seem real. Our brains do freaky shit sometimes.
xXRoBeRtXHaYdNXx 1 year ago
Ha ha, it's an interesting point that humans have evolved not to question their visual perceptions (as with tigers), but you make it sound as if it is a bad thing that we've evolved to live and act pragmatically. The instance you bring up seems to overrepresent the few who actually convince themselves they are seeing something that isn't verifiable. Generally speaking, humans only perceive what is verifiable, and thus accomplish more by ignoring irrelevant philosophy - and all it's limitations
Yoostoobz 1 year ago
You should talk about this thing called confirmation bias. Where we only search for evidence that agrees with what we believe, and anything that disproves or conflicts it, we take as irrelative.
MsTOlofi 1 year ago
The objective reality vs. the subjective mind.
God! If everyone understood psyhology!
And because this is true, because doctors and psychologists understand this, this is why we can tell that someone is delusional.
Lastly. Christians, differences don't mean an indication for a need for conflict. It means...difference. I am sorry I don't tie my shoes the same way you do, cause basically, thats what you're saying. As long as I have it tied and I can walk without tripping.
MsTOlofi 1 year ago
good vid.
you kinda look like Lionel Messi.....
deagon85 1 year ago
I rarely had these.. "near life experiences", when stuff seems so vivid that, compared to the default state of mind, which is usually filled with constant thought image, music and is kinda fuzzy, was so incredibly vivid, that it seemed I'm somehow mentally elevated. I figured maybe that's something someone on lsd would feel like, but I didn't have any visions and never did any heavy drugs. Just that realer then real incredibly vivid perception. Maybe someone else had the same?
Trinivalts 1 year ago
But messing with the "world building software" can give you some insight into how the brain functions and how internal/external relates to eachother.
pkingo1 1 year ago
I used to have nightmares very often.Actually same nightmare again and again.It was like real.I was in my own bed,own bedroom,here is my tv set,there my clothes.And my roommate again coming and sitting on my chest.I can not breathe.He wants me to die.Than people said move out and I did.Nightmares stopped (of course after I got myself a new set of bed sheets.the kind you dont get wrapped up in breathless and have nightmares)
KaraCarsafliGelin 1 year ago
/watch?v=8Biv_8xjj8E
You might want to watch this document. It's about human mind. Prety mind blowing :D
Tespri 1 year ago
wow! u make very much sense! and u mentioned bullshit! :D:D weeeeeee!
BrutalVikingFTW 1 year ago
What was the neurology related podcast that was recommended in the video?? I couldn't get it!! anyone??
elanelango 1 year ago
Amazing point of view!
Only a really clever person would have thought that one out. You just earned a subscription
Elementboy6522 1 year ago
I once had a painful neck injury. There were blue jellyfish floating through the halls of the hospital. Whenever I talked about them, people laughed at me. I noticed the tube in my arm, pumping in some kind of drug. Then, I knew it was all in my head...but the jellyfish remained quite vivid. Oh, and for a brief moment, I thought I was hidden behind a waterfall in my sister's house. But my sister doesn't own a house...
And I don't have a sister.
DarkMatter2525 1 year ago 31
@DarkMatter2525 lol, that must've been one hell of a drug
cerealboy7 1 year ago
Your impersonation of a fractal elf made me LOL hard, you're freaking hilarious
NRGFORCE 1 year ago
You make a rare YT insight: What if your experience
replicates reality? I have never taken hallucinogens/ smokes
of any kind. I have seen in the periphery of my vision
energy sweeping across grass(the other kind).
Small horizontal & vertical fast rotating vorticular cones.
Small rods of fast moving grain-like pellets were
feeding in & out of each vortex.
Explanation? Most likely the Rods & Cones that are
in every eye & enable the seeing of color.
BTW, OBE can be induced in a lab.
danger0usknowledge 1 year ago
Oh yeah:::::::::Another book you may be interested in: The Terror That Comes In The Night. You might find this book interesting due to the hypnogogic (spelling) state of waking asleep mind. Sleep paralysis/ the old hag and the screaming sick squishes.
creationofself 1 year ago
"The machine elves", the "mantis people", "gnomes" "theranthropes and others are shared encounters across the board when humans ingest certain types of hallucinogens. I now believe they are archetypal and oddly enough platonic. No, I don't believe they exist out there, on/in some planet or dimension but have an existence in the collective mind of the human species. As for NDEs/OBEs I'm indecisive, leaning towards validity. Thanks again for sharing your self with us, Sol
creationofself 1 year ago
I'm an atheist but if my brain shows me Thor as I'm dying, I'm gonna shout out "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE"
axeduck 1 year ago
And I'll bring all my shoes and my glasses...so I have them. Barbara?
memoryhero 1 year ago
Hypnagogic hallucinations. Pretty cool if you expect them and aren't frightened.
badblueman 1 year ago
Another one of your very intelligent, naturalistic videos!
Fav'ed
dewinthemorning 1 year ago
6:45 I think you're talking about the National Geographic show called "Moment Of Death" Very good stuff to watch.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
Do you think reality and consciousness can exist outside the mind or are they dependent on it?
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
I thought for sure you were going to go into qualia a little.
AtheistKharm 1 year ago
radiolab is awesome
AtheistKharm 1 year ago
Radiolab rules. It should be required listening.
trumasamune 1 year ago
great video Sol!
mcdoogs87 1 year ago
the fact that it's my own world.. that my mind can generate such immense experiences.. i've always known this to be the case, and it has always made my trips wondrously special to me. my friend is convinced he sees the physical manifestation of his soul/spirit in his journeys, but i've never had the heart or the inclination to really try to dissuade him. he's convinced, and defensive about it. i like to know what's taking place in my brain. it really augments the wonder of it all
TheMindsmack 1 year ago
do more videos like this, pertaining to this general subject area
TheMindsmack 1 year ago
links to the podcasts?
shanellypooh 1 year ago
All thought is abstract. This is why we get in trouble with our beliefs; we interpret the world with abstract thoughts and we confuse abstract ideas with the physically real. As an example of this, try to explain to a conservative Christian that words are representational and not literal... it's a fools errand.
deepashtray 1 year ago
I've also had dream-crossing-into-reality experiences throughout my life... It's trippy as balls, and when I was younger I also attributed it to aliens and the supernatural.
jonatcer 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 mind putting a link to the podcast in the description?
jonatcer 1 year ago
Would you consider somebody else seeing what you see without any form of communication or suggestion of the thing before hand external valification? Like if 2 people who have never met and don't come into contact with any of the same people/things both say that they saw a talking pink floating door handle, would you consider that external valifaction?
MoFoBAMF 1 year ago
Hey Sol, speaking of Psychos, has Eye been doing any more vids on you? I unsubscribed from him, I got tired of racking my brain to figure if he was a poe or not and figured he was getting too much attention either way.
Mcfly88 1 year ago
Have u ever wondered if maybe intelligence is merely a fluke of nature ...? What if it's actually an abnormality in the same way it would be odd for an ant to all the sudden become intelligent?
julzabro 1 year ago
For some reason this made me think of the matrix, and inception.
theMammothman 1 year ago
Our brains are amazing! We do have to learn to become highly suspicious and extensively objective about what we believe to be real!
julzabro 1 year ago
validation + verification = valification
=D
OukaKisa 1 year ago 7
@OukaKisa
CLOSE ENOUGH
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago 8
@SolRosenberg84 yup =3
OukaKisa 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 This is how Sarah Palin did it - and now you can, too!
memoryhero 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84I've studied human psychology in college and I’d like to recommend Dr Gabor Mate, Enjoy.
BabySatch1 1 year ago
This should all be common knowledge now. Alas, people are idiots. And these are the people living in the wealthy parts of the world where we have access to education. We are seriously doomed.
MrStillmans 1 year ago
I agree with much of what you say. I think you did allude to this, but could you clarify your position on objective reality? I've been hearing lots from people lately who claim that there's no objective reality (by way of your argument, but taking it further) and thus, basically, nothing can be known, and thus (ready?): faith is god is equal to faith in science.
What is your best definition of objective reality, Sol?
infideluxe 1 year ago
@infideluxe And by the way, I don't buy their argument for minute.
infideluxe 1 year ago
@infideluxe
The thing that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84
I've always liked that one.
I guess I'm asking if you have an even more effective response, though. Because "what doesn't go away" can also be categorized as different for everybody, to play the devil's advocate.
Off the top of my head, I'm thinking along the lines of a consistent pattern manifested by a specific interaction of each person with the physical world, such that an objective reality reveals itself.
Sorry if that's a bit nonsensical or abstract.
infideluxe 1 year ago
radio lab is awesome. Its like "this american life" on lsd. science is awesome.
tewster 1 year ago
watch
wtf how far does the rabbit whole go
what is reality,-bbc
frvfilms 1 year ago
Excellent vid. There is a great video by Philhellenes .. i think its called "A god born of fear" which touches on the subject of how early mans brain worked. .. and the music is the scariest fucking music I've ever heard.
bonnie43uk 1 year ago
hologram theory !
frvfilms 1 year ago
do you watch any other podcasts? if so, which ones would you recommend?
also, I've had similar problems with waking up and hallucinating in the middle of the night. i looked it up (and had it verified by a neurologist) and found it to be sleep paralysis (as a disease). The category of 'symtoms and characteristics' on the 'Sleep Paralysis' wikipedia page has some pretty good descriptions of this.
great video :D
lovelylifeform 1 year ago
wow you started with a sound philosophical concepts and then completely missed the point. You have no justification to argue that everyday perceptions are more "real", what ever that means, than hallucination.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
@wizkid2000
I do recall stating that all observed reality is in fact internal. Could you specify what I did wrong?
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84
You're using trying to use others to objective some of your perceptions, you cant. Even if we grant that the people you interact with are real beyond your perceptions. Just because we form a kinda of consensus about our shared perceptions doesn't make those perceptions objective. If human beings presumably all perceive reality one way and one person is changed so that his perceptions are changed. his perceptions are not any less real than the majority...
wizkid2000 1 year ago
If everyone else was changed similarity then they too could possible experience these new perceptions and the consensus would make that the new true "reality". So your first observation in this video is true... you just need to apply it to isn't ultimate conclusion... We have no access to object reality. Too say that getting on a bus is more objectively true then say out of body experiences is unjustifiable philosophically speaking.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
@wizkid2000
Thats all well and good, but then how would our common observations be so damn functional? I can see this conversation making more sense in ancient Greece, but for shits sake, we've been the the damn moon. We can predict the behaviour of celestial objects. We're having this discussion on a machine dependant on accurate predictions of physical properties.
How can this not be a factor?
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84
"how would our common observations be so damn functional?"
Why do you assume that other perceptions modes would not be functional? We only learned to manipulate the world we know by observing how our actions effect our perceptions of the world. I would be the same in any other mode of perception.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
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"but for shits sake, we've been the the damn moon."
I'm not saying these things are not real, there as real as we will ever get but I am saying you have no justification to call other perceptions unreal. You're assuming you know what is objectively true when no one does and you are contradicting yourself with the beginning of this video which was correct.
hope that helps.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
@wizkid2000
Ah, I see what you mean. My perceptions are just as flawed as everyone elses, so calling their experience unreal is a bit hypocritical. If you take DMT, and have a chat with the fractal elves, I cannot say that experience was not real, as it was created by the same neural world building software my brain uses.
The DMT user's experience is real, but what I question is whether we have any reason to believe there are such things as fractal elves
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84
"My perceptions are just as flawed as everyone elses, so calling their experience unreal is a bit hypocritical."
Indeed.
"as it was created by the same neural world building software my brain uses."
But remember brains and neural nets are also just perceptions. So far mind or conscience is not reducible to brain. This is called the hard problem in science. We can no more know there is actually a brain than we can fractal elves or the moon.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
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@SolRosenberg84
"My perceptions are just as flawed as everyone elses, so calling their experience unreal is a bit hypocritical."
Indeed.
"as it was created by the same neural world building software my brain uses."
But remember brains and neural nets are also just perceptions. So far mind or conscience is not reducible to brain. This is called the hard problem in science. We can no more know there is actually a brain than we can fractal elves or the moon.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
@wizkid2000
I really can't believe their experiences have teased something out of the physical world that my experience has not, unless they can present something that shows they really are accessing a hidden aspect of reality - hence my comment about getting information from the fractal elves. If someone gained access to information that they should not have been able to figure out by talking to the fractal elves, that would make their case that such beings exist more convincing.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84
"I really can't believe their experiences have teased something out of the physical world"
What makes one the physical world and the other not? If someone took DMT, their perceptions would change and they would perceive a different world but those perception are not any closer to objective reality than before. No doubt different perception come with different rule sets. One perceptional mode my not give you explicit insight into another.
wizkid2000 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84: The bible does, if properly interpreted, lead you to a life full of glorious ecstasy. Just what did you think Jesus meant when he said he would turn Peter into a 'fissure of men'? :D
EddieTheFishReturns 1 year ago
Validification ?
creamsykle 1 year ago
So...science is reality by concensus?
NAFmunchausen 1 year ago
@NAFmunchausen
Well, as far as I understand, the observations by which we record data are based on consensus (peer review and repetition) - so I don't see how saying that is too much of a stretch.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
The difference between a "god experience" on hallucinogens and a "god experience" without such, is that after it's over you can say "aha! It was the hallucinogen doing something funny with my brain chemistry", whereas if one didn't take a drug, one can play mental games to convince oneself that it was "real" and not a result of a brain chemistry burp. Studies have confirmed that psychedelic-like experiences can and DO happen without drugs.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
That's just what *they* want you to believe. The scientists are playing with your head to make you reject the truth! Scienceism is a false religion, turn to Allah, my friend. He'll guide you to perfect.
iPhap 1 year ago
@iPhap "Scienceism is a false religion". That might be true. But I don't worship science, nor does anyone I know. There is is a difference between blind worship (such as what one might do with Allah) and respect for rational, repeatable, demonstrable evidence. I don't want Allah to guide me anywhere. I want to know facts. Science provides facts, religious books do not.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
Troll successful. No, I don't feel good about myself. For some reason I'm completely indifferent.
iPhap 1 year ago
@iPhap lol... should have guessed by your channel name, shouldn't I? Not very Muslim.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
Sol, they mentioned the brain "seeing" a tiger on a recent episode of NOVA scienceNOW called "How Does the Brain Work?" You should be able to watch the whole episode from their website. Really interesting stuff.
MagnusIan 1 year ago
I'm not a fractal elf ^_^ I
PinkProgram 1 year ago
@PinkProgram
It's worse than I thought! The fractal orks are among us!!
AndrewTheEternal 1 year ago
@AndrewTheEternal lol no I'm a tulpa, a mental construct with a mind of its own ^_^
PinkProgram 1 year ago
I think therefore I am. Rene Descartes
I think god is talking to me therefore god is real. every creationist you will ever talk to
thesparitan 1 year ago
@thesparitan: Yes. Even though the nature of each proposition is very different; they are not equivalent statements.
McTaggStar 1 year ago
link the pondcast please !
GrindinTV 1 year ago
"...we've got their insanity now." Good stuff Sol.
mooktank 1 year ago
you should put a link in the video and do you think we can make change things in our brain to like change things that are going around in our world
bloodraven2471 1 year ago
On my 40 minuet bus ride home when I'm very tired I'm often just on the edge of falling to sleep. I sometimes see thing that are not real. About 2 weeks ago I was dozing off and I thought I had spilled strawberry yogurt on myself so I jolted awake and realised that I didn't have any yogurt and the pink thing on my leg was actually my hand.
CyborgAtheist 1 year ago
TIGER!
*runs away*
gweegwee3 1 year ago
Just look up Dr.Persinger's god helmet. It also explains near death experiences and other stuff.
jay666KJ 1 year ago
what is the name of the podcast again please??
a300pilotster 1 year ago
@a300pilotster
WNYC's Radiolab
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
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tewster 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 radio lab is the shit :)
tewster 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 thanks. What episode?
a300pilotster 1 year ago
The opening part about our experiences all being up in the head....struck a chord with me. THanks!
quickpua 1 year ago
The unquestioned religious/psychedelic experience isn't worth having:
youtube.com/watch?v=zahFKGVpQGg
youtube.com/watch?v=WYY1PIRZF8g
zarkoff45 1 year ago
This reminded me of that question: is my blue the same as your blue? Or is what I perceive as blue the same as what you perceive as orange?
More importantly, does it even matter?
TheSkyIsSideways 1 year ago
Agreed across the board.
I'm tired of people using their experiences (specifically NDE/OBE, etc.) to try to prove their beliefs. Just look at the work of Michael Shermer or James Randi debunking the supernatural, or maybe just research, you can see that is it tragically easy to fool the mind. Shermer participated in an experiment that subjected his brain to magnets. He had dreams and "visions" of aliens, ghosts and demons. It's a shame how gullible we are, and how sensitive our brains are.
iamericwhite 1 year ago