@ValeV008 Yes that is correct forcing. I did not stutter. There is not solid evidence that human made carbon, gas, fossil fuels is the leading cause to the problem. I know you will argue that given you have drank the kool aid and laid down with the rest of the sheep. Oil would not go up as much if we drilled here, which will eventually happen because average Americans won't tolerate $5 gallon gas too long. I think electric cars are great it'd just the market is not there yet. perhaps 5-10 years.
@ValeV008 Perhaps not at the start. I do believe that American people will have enough of it and do something about it. Again I am not against the electric car but it is far from being at a cost level and economic level available to the general American population. Like I said in 5-10 years hopefully it'll start to become more economical.
@Ben1238 I agree it's not yet the time for electric cars (mostly because of price), but if we all say maybe in 5-10 years, companies wont make any progress on those cars, because people are not gonna buy it now. Maybe in 5-10 years. See? This thining is going on from the end of second world war. Wer'e saying "maybe in 5-10" years for, what, 60 years?
Revenge of the electric car? That's bullcrap. How much market share do they have? The true revenge of the electric car will be when there is a battery that is cheap, can be charged quickly, and has a high energy density. Right now there is no revenge of the electric car at all. It is a niche product among environmentalists.
@karl75m God are you guys still going on about conspiracies? Try reading a forum or a technical article occasionally, you might realize there has been slow, steady development for decades.
@LegendLength - What conspiracy? I never said anything about a conspiracy that I know of. I've read plenty on electric cars will love it when they are actually viable. Right now they just aren't for the average driver. Batteries are too expensive and don't have very good energy density. Also if everyone started buying electric cars there wouldn't be enough electricity production to meet demand. I just think "revenge of the electric car" is a bit hyperbolic.
@csaTexan and last time the world listenned to kooks like you, the USA didnt sign the Kyoto protocol. DDT is highly toxic for humans and most of the living. PS. Books about guns and shooting niggers doesn't really count as books. redneck
@dnar9 Thank God we didn't sign that thing-destroy the economy based on the hoax of global warming? If it was so good, why didn't Bill Clinton send it to the Senate and use his political capital to pass it? DDT is toxic because it is a pesticide, but it was a good one. Use just a little and get a good result. Now with it banned millions have died of malaria since. I doo see you are the ty[ical liberal though, end your argument by using fould language and calling the other guy names.
Electric cars are the future, at $100,000 a piece that is cheap. Every person will be driving one. Will the electric cars be made out of corn? Or plastic? Plastic is oil based? What kind of paint? Oil base? Tires? Plastic battery housings? What will the wiring insulation be made out of? Safety glass? Taillights lenses? Headlight housings? Body? Hardware? We will always depend on oil, until it's all gone.
@Zeghetank Hey Zeggy, no sound, no pleasure? search for "white zombie electric datsun" and watch a boring 1972 Datsun electric car smoke gas cars for breakfast and set world records at the drag strip :)
@chetsjug And the autonomy of the electric cars and the time for "refueling"? I watched what you said, but that Datsun is very light compared to the other cars... It has a great acceleration, but just for a few runs.
@Zeghetank The White Zombie is not just for a few runs, he drives it all over town for days between charges. I know it's a practical daily driver. Home built EV S-10's and other 3,000+ pound vehicles are getting 100 miles at full performance. Check out Tom Hanks SUV that his employee drives in daily service, A/C and CD player blasting all the way. EV's are not your fathers golf cart anymore. We WILL need a gas car in the family for a long time, but EV's are totally feasible now.
@Tomibleid Petro has destroyed the enviorment. The water, air and soil has become foul. I guess that is what is fun for you. Your either an out and out Republican slave or an out and out Moron.
Movie finally came to Tucson AZ. Tesla's Model S was the only car that looked beautiful. All the other electric car bodies looks as if they are worth $15K-$20K, and indeed would be if they had a gasoline equivalent. I wish Honda would have a Civic & Accord EV, Mazda with a Miata EV, VW with a Beetle EV, etc. Why spend more money on a whole new model/car design when car manufacturers can retrofit the electric components on existing models?
We are still stuck with a 100 and something year old model that's seriously flawed
and everybody in the world is still defending even with it's dying breath.
Instead of changing it, like a scientist should do, when the experiments refute the model, the scientific procedure is to change the model, and not assail the experiments as they did with cold fusion, and not deny it, and continue to do business the old way so
that we can maybe bankrupt the nation one of these days!
We are past peak oil. The price is held artificially low. Check the average price of gas around the world. When it hits $10 a gallon (soon) even the least aware among us will feel the sting of big oil. The price of solar panels is coming down dramatically. I have recently seen deals for .74/watt. Compare that to just a couple years ago when a deal was $5/watt. Solar & Wind are the two sane choices for powering our world. Any other conclusion is denial of reality.
Looks like this is actually gonna happen...I don't think I'll ever be a fan of these silent, short-ranged, still somewhat impractical econoboxes, but I guess you can't stop progress...As a combustion fan and an engineer, I feel like I'm torn between liking the progress that's being made and sad that internal combustion engines are becoming "obsolete"
@ggfanjase Paine had to assure each automaker that he wouldn't release any footage until 2011, after each company's electric cars were on the market, in order to gain their permission for making the documentary.
@ggfanjase Well - are you still part of the group of people who thinks that conspiracy is only a theory? Proof for yourself the history of humanity. There are countless examples in the past which have been revealed - so why on earth shouldn't that happen now-days and at a bigger scale?!
@csaber2007 yes, they loose 30% efficiency in bellow 0, but that is like 10km even when frozen they are still more efficient than gas....... 70% beats 25-30% hmmK? oh wait 25 is in optimal weather gas in frozen temps arent even metioned...ever hmmm
"Welcome to the elctric car of the future, sponsored by the gasoline producers of America.
Electric car: 'Hello. I'm an electric car. I can't go very far, or very fast. And if you drive me, people will think you're gay.' " - The Simpsons (FTW)
Actually, I found the quote that much funnier when NOT taken out of context.
@JoshFazzz / Hey JoshFazzz, your not an electric car, your a stinking oil company, that corupts and destroys the AIR, WATER AND SOIL, and makes millions of people sick every year. You just made me puke.
If alternator keeps charging acumulator from diesel or gas motor why they didn't made a car that can charge battery itself in similar way ? And again they own us. Think for a second.
The Oil Monopoly has retarded innovation, destroyed the planet & corrupted our governments for well over 100 years. These few BILLIONAIRES decide whether you go to work to feed your family & if we all continue to function as a civilization...Texas Swindlers & an illiterate tribe of Bedouins.
That is more urban legend than fact. If you think that the electric car is such a great idea. Why don't you and and few friends get together and start building them????
The ford Motor company was started with under a half a million dollars. (in todays money).
@CSATexan If you would bother to pick up a book, you would learn electric cars have been around longer than FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL burning engines. But since CORRUPTION has BOUGHT POLITICIANS, the electric car has been demonized, destroyed and BOUGHT by BIG OIL every time it hits the road. If you LOVE OIL so much, keep paying 5 dollars for the same gallon of gas that cost only 5 cents 30 years ago. You deserve it! :)
@CSATexan You must have been educated at the George Dubya Bush/Sara Palin/Dan Quayle School of Knowledge. We can tell. Talking to Texans is like talking to the wall...except the wall is smarter. lol
@CSATexan You must have been educated at the George Dubya Bush/Sara Palin/Dan Quayle School of Knowledge. We can tell. Talking to Texans is like talking to the wall...except the wall is smarter. lol
Everyone that knows anything about cars, knows that the electric car is joke a novelty at best.
It isn't every going to get off the ground until they find a way to harness static electricity. Till then the only way to power it would be off of electricity produced from nuclear power plants.
@CSATexan The Oil Monopoly has retarded innovation, destroyed the planet & corrupted our governments for well over 100 years. These few BILLIONAIRES decide whether you go to work to feed your family & if we all continue to function as a civilization...a handful of Texas Swindlers & an illiterate tribe of Bedouins.
@CSATexan I disagree , but then again, there are electric cars that can cover the needs for 80% percent of the population. So, it is practical, AND about 30% of LEAF owners are powering their cars with solar energy (I might be off a little is more like 27%) so I don't see electric cars bering charge with nuclear plants only.
They are not being charged by nuclear plants cause people are not taxing the grid with car chargers. Keep in mind that the sun is a viable energy source for about 8 hours a day (assuming that it is a clear day)
I have done a lot on solar power, and can tell you that it would take a thousand dollars worth of solar panels hours to charge a car. While it takes me about 4 minutes to fill up my car at a gas station
@CSATexan You also know that they control production of gasoline to rise princes, right? And Oil companies already make billions without tax brakes (about 14 billions without tax brakes) THEY DO NOT NEED TAX EXEMPT.
@CSATexan Same old puke coming from a pukie Texan. Your kids breath the filthy air, drink and swim in the filthy water, and eat food grown in filthy soil that oil created. Your mother must be very proud of you.
@davcomcj The oil industry was the first to employ large volume computing, used for processing seismic data and running reservoir simulations. Before the advent of personal computers, the oil industry drove advances in computer technology, and other fundamentally important areas of research like polymer science and catalysis. I agree that humans should switch to a renewable energy source, but to say that the oil industry has retarded innovation is simply not true.
@MetalMilitia5488 They are just selfish, corrupt pigs who don't mind seeing millions of people get sick every year with their filthy soil, air and water which has been contaminated with the filthy toxins they create every minute.
@32Rockie Who is they? Oil companies? I believe you are, in fact, using a computer. Where do you think the polymers used to make the case for your computer come from? Petrochemicals. The electricity you are using most likely comes from a coal fired power plant. It is rather convenient to put total blame on energy companies for environmental problems like the BP oil spill, but guess why BP is still a company? People like you and me keep them in business by buying their products.
@MetalMilitia5488 Don't be so naive. When you control the field you control the research. So why do they keep BUYING HIDING & DESTROYING Electric battery technologies? From Wikipedia: "The oil industry, through its major lobby group the Western States Petroleum Association, is brought to task for financing campaigns to kill utility efforts to build public car charging stations. They posed as consumers instead of the industry interests they actually represented." Next question?
@davcomcj Control which research? A significant amount of money from the DOE and NSF goes into academic research nationwide for alternative energy sources like solar thermal, photovoltaics, biofuels from microbes, wind, fusion, etc. There are a number of start-ups in the alternative energy industry with significant funding, including one funded by Bill Gates that flopped (Pacific Ethanol). These technologies are not currently economically competitive with fossil fuels. Period.
@MetalMilitia5488 Your forgetting about the 12 BILLION per quarter OIL gets from gouging us every other day. Hand the SAME 12 BILLION to EV research and you can kiss FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL goodbye.Enjoy spending your spare time DEFENDING FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND your $5.00, $6.00, 10.00 of perpetually rising gallon of gasoline...that was only a nickel a gallon 40 years ago. Gimme more OIL TOUTS! I love tearing them down! :)
@MetalMilitia5488 Your forgetting about the 12 BILLION per quarter OIL gets from gouging us every other day. Hand the SAME 12 BILLION to EV research and you can kiss FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL goodbye.Enjoy spending your spare time DEFENDING FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND your $5.00, $6.00, 10.00 of perpetually rising gallon of gasoline...that was only a nickel a gallon 40 years ago. Gimme more OIL TOUTS! I love tearing them down! :)
@MetalMilitia5488 Your forgetting about the 12 BILLION per quarter OIL gets from gouging us every other day. Hand the SAME 12 BILLION to EV research and you can kiss FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL goodbye.Enjoy spending your spare time DEFENDING FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND your $5.00, $6.00, 10.00 of perpetually rising gallon of gasoline...that was only a nickel a gallon 40 years ago. Gimme more OIL TOUTS! I love tearing them down! :)
Where do you think the energy is going to come from if everyone in the US drives an electric car? Instead of oxidizing hydrocarbons in internal combustion engines, we will be burning significantly more coal and natural gas at power plants. The enormous scale of US energy consumption and the large amount of readily available coal and natural gas (and oil in the gulf) make it extremely difficult to come up with an economically viable alternative energy source without government subsidies.
@MetalMilitia5488 Electric generating plants create power 24/7. It can't be stored, so if it goes unused, it is wasted. Charging off-peak taps energy that is going unused. Do a little research and you'll find that a lot of cars can charge for a lot of years before any additional infrastructure would be needed to add electrical capacity. Most EVs are charged at night, off-peak and time-of-use meters provide a financial incentive to do so.
@davcomcj What are you talking about? Anybody can wasgte their money trying to sell EVs, oil companies have no say. Know why these pieces of junk never sell? Because a rational consumer will not pay $10,000 more for a car that takes 100 times as long to refuel (8 hours vs 5 minutes) to go half as far on refueling (150 mles vs 300.) And all for what? They do not "help the envrionment" anyways-they brun coal! Yeah, blame oil companies.
@Srd1126 The reason no one buys electric cars is because the CORRUPT OIL INDUSTRY CONTROLS THE POLITICIANS. Therefore they BRIBE the politicians into juicy OIL PERMITS, TAX LOOPHOLES, TAX REFUNDS and an ENERGY MONOPOLY that EV entrepreneurs cannot possibly match. PLUS if MINDS are EXPANDED to allow WIND TURBINE ENERGY to supplement FILTHY COAL, we could recharge with ease. But since your BRAINWASHED by OIL PROPAGANDA, I expect no reasoning or SCIENCE to ooze from your "organization".
@davcomcj NEWS FLASH: Oil companies pay huge amounts of taxes. And why use more expensive and less reliable wind turbines over modern, clean-coal technologies when we have well over 100 years of coal available? And please explain how oil industry "propoganda" comes into the fact that EVs take 100xs as long to charge for half the driving distance Looks like I am the one who understands science. But let me ask, since you believe so much in EVs, how much of YOUR MONEY have you invested?
@Srd1126 Try again. This time READ IT: Because the CORRUPT OIL INDUSTRY CONTROLS THE POLITICIANS. Therefore they BRIBE the politicians into juicy OIL PERMITS, TAX LOOPHOLES, TAX REFUNDS and an ENERGY MONOPOLY that EV entrepreneurs cannot possibly match. & if MINDS are EXPANDED to allow WIND TURBINE ENERGY to supplement FILTHY COAL, we could recharge with ease. But since your BRAINWASHED by OIL PROPAGANDA, I expect no reasoning or SCIENCE to ooze from your "organization" Get it?
@Srd1126 Get your facts right. The Tesla model S has an optional 300 mile range (not 150, as you stated) and takes 5 hours for a full charge, not 8. It is also possible to do a quick-charge and refill half of the battery(150 miles range) in only half an hour. Also, few people have need of over 300 driving miles each day, as the average commute in the US is less than a third of that. It is very easy to charge, just plug it in at night and it's good. The model S is NOT a "piece of junk."
@thencaesarfalls Cheapest Tesla S with the top battery is almost $80K if you ignore the criminal federal tax rebate on it. $80K for a 300 mile range. Yip Yip Yip Yahoo. In 5 hours? Yip Yip Yip Yahoo. It isn't that people commte 300 miles a day, but that they need to go that far on a regular basis outside of their commute. I repeat-if you want to buy a piece of junk like that go ahead, but quit asking for federal handouts to do so. In fact, let Tesla pay taxes and fees like oil co's do.
@Srd1126 Oil companies receive $4.4 B in federal tax cuts each year, according to the AP. Tesla receives no such tax breaks. You claimed the opposite.
Why shouldn't there be federal tax credits for buying an EV? The government is investing in the future, as oil WILL NOT last forever. BP says there are 1.33 trillion barrels of oil left-and at current consumption, that will only last the world 40 years. Therefore, by 2050, we need an oil alternative. The government SHOULD invest in the future!
@thencaesarfalls Tax Cuts not a subsidy. Tesla buyers get $7,500 when they buy a car--a subsidy! I have been hearing we have 30 years of oil for 35 years now. And we have more oil now than we did in the mid 1970s when I first heard it. And we pumped more oil than we had then since then. It is not for the GOVERNMENT to invest, let the market pick the new fuel. Drake didn't need "government" when he drilled his well. If EVs are so good, let them compete-they cant now-they are pieces of junk.
@Ben1238 They couldn't do any worse than who controls the ENERGY MONOPOLY now...Illiterate Texas Swindlers & Illiterate Saudi Bedouins. I can forgive greed if it helps PRESERVE the planet...not DESTROY it. Save your carefully prepared OIL Propaganda response. I already know what they wrote for you.
@davcomcj Actually sweetheart no one writes for me this is of my own opinion and facts. Those Texas swindlers are not as illiterate as you claim as for the Saudi's I cannot comment. Still you would see millions of Americans put out of work because of the cap and trade bill and faulty cars sold which would cost the average person more money for a different greedy bunch? Indeed liberalism is a mental disorder.
@Vforvendetta555 Never leaked out? Have you never heard of the Niagara Falls project? It was never that secret. Read a book. They even knew about the clean free energy that he invented a method that we could have started using one hundred years ago, however J.P.Morgan who was in OIL stoped that from happening. J.P. Morgan who should have a special place in hell also brought in the Federal Reserve.
The power grid of the US isn't capable of supporting millions of electric vehicles. Generate more electricity you say? Well, 46% of our power comes from the burning of coal. Is burning the dirtiest fossil fuel really what our environment needs? We are currently sitting on more coal deposits than anywhere else in the world, so.. hmmm.. economy before environment? Business as usual.
Looks very promising but just like in Who Killed The Electric Car from 1996, who knows if they really last or the car companies secretly re-collect and destroy them, again.
Still looks promising and it sure seems a viable option to gasoline cars, regarding speed and comfort.
@CSATexan well that Bush thing was just a figure-of-speech and not being seen literally.
But your are right that people buy the cars but if the infra structure for such Electric Cars are there and well spread, there shouldnt be any reason not to buy such a car.
The same with the gasoline car, at first introduction I bet many people where reluctant as well because they didnt know how it works and where to get them fueled up.
I worked as a mechanic for 5 years (it is way to hot to turn wrenches in texas) and I can tell you for a fact that the electric car is a dream nothing more.
It is a question of cost and potential.
The cost that comes from an electrical car is staggering
The potential is limited.
Just imagine how far a car can go with one gallon of gas, then try to push it back.
Until batteries and solar panels catch up they will exist only in sci fi books and movies
@CSATexan I agree in parts with your opinion! Currently the cost of any sole electrical vehicle is quite high because its sort of a prototype and has to establish itself.
But like all new electronics, the next generation will get more affordable and customized.
And if you are using any transport in such way of driving vast distances than it makes more sense in getting an old fashioned one.
But many people use cars mostly for inner city transport or short distances...
A sole electric car is already out there, which is quite affordable ( $50.000 ), fast, sporty and with a range distant of upto 300 miles on one charge ( which is expandable ).
Well to that $ 2000 you have to add frequently fuel and maintenance costs and tax!
Some countries even subsidize sole electric cars with a tax reduction or even free tax, plus the maintenance costs will be lower because there arent as many moving part that needs replacing frequently.
Sure you have to pay electricity but you can also charge them up via solar panels for FREE.
There is nowhere in the USA that someone can't buy a car for $2,000. Not to mention the fact that for $10,000 (1/5th the cost of the battery car) a person can fix anything in that car. Even replace the car 2 or three times.
@CSATexan Thats my point against the regular gasoline car, all those moving parts are very much vulnerable of wear and have to be replaced in such frequency, that the automotive industry makes a big chunk of their profits in those spare parts....thats why the previous electric car got scrapped by GM.
The last electric car, some 10 years ago, had almost no moving parts that needs replacing, which brings down the cost drastically.
Your calculations all referring to the cost of used cars....
Any machine will break if you use it enough. Any vehicle electric or man powered will break. Going down bike trailes in East Texas and I have seen bicycles fail.
@CSATexan Of course but you ve to bear in mind what the gasoline engine ( compression engine )have to endure. All those explosions and those greased up steel-on-steel rubbing, the heat, the speed, the energy...& this is just to power the engine itself.
An electric engine has none of those and therefore has no wear in that sector, therefore no spare parts replacement ( as frequently ).
Of course that could be seen as job loses in the car industry, when all those engineers become obsolete
That is just a myth, it will decades if not longer for oil to run out.
And most of the parts that do break on a car will break in any car. The question is alway proper maintenance. A person who doesn't maintain a regular car will not maintain a battery one either.
As it stands the even with billions from the GOV (some of it taken from the car industry) the electric car can't make it
@CSATexan Thats a myth that you think its a myth that the oil last for several decades. You might be right at the current state of consumption, the oil will last quite a long time, but than the world population rises fast and therefore the oil consumption. In your lifetime it might be alright...but what about your kids? ---That is not my concern--- I can hear you saying that #lol
And the breakable parts in a conv. car are much more than in an electric car...and easier to fix...
I work in a geo physical company who does nothing but search for oil. There is billions upon billions of barrels in the USA alone. In some parts of the US there is enough to meet oil demands for the entire world for decades.
Facts are what they are if the electric car was the answer there would be electric cars all over the road. last month the GM volt sold under 1,000. Nobody buys them for a reason.
@CSATexan That is of course what THEY have to believe, otherwise their stocks ( MONEY ) will go away.
Still those fossil fuels are not there forever...they will run out sooner than later!
The electric car by GM was in fact a good idea but the infrastructure to maintain them wasnt well thought of. It was only released locally, L A with a few charging stations in that area, which left customers confused.
Infrastructure has to be sophisticated enough to maintain such cars! like Gas Stations...
@CSATexan Disagreement! It is all about power and money, by the automotive industry. And it was worse ten years ago!
But the electric car ( or any other alternative fuel vehicle ) will replace the existing cars sooner than later, just like the VHS player, prop planes and landline phones.
The most important thing is having a sophisticated wide spread infrastructure for those vehicles, to "refuel" and maintain them on the road.
Look how many alternative cars are already on the street in Germany
If electric power was some sort of a solution, why aren't merchant ships converting to it??
They use far more fuel than cars. The could easily recharge themselves with solar panels. Everyone in the industry should be falling over themselves to save all those billions in fuel and not have any moving parts. The only moving part would be the rudder.
If I could get an electric ANYTHING I would buy it. But there just isn't anything as practical as the gas engine.
Hell I wouldn't even pay for the cost of electricity, I would charge it at work and they would be happy as hell to provide the power. Since they could use it as a means of of saying how green they are.
And I work for a Geophysical company whose profits depend on oil.
As a veteran and working in a military hospital taking care of returning soldiers - I'm SO looking forward to electric cars coming into their own. I love my classic musclecar, but am ready to make the shift and when the products come - convert it to electric, helping save our planet, soldiers lives - and defund those that wish us ill will. Too many reasons we HAVE to do this. Looking forward to seeing this film. :-)
They can build as many electric cars as possible but if people don't have the money to buy them, then it is a complete waste of resources.
Sadly in our Economic System, we focus more on PROFIT then IMPROVING PEOPLE LIVES.
It is why the Full Economic Structure we hold so tightly to is falling apart and will continue to create more suffering until we finally change our ways from a Greed Society to a Self sustaining, and Free Sharing Society.
Ofcourse the top 1 or 2% will definitely have the the money to buy 5 or 6 of those, while we have to drive around in cars that are 16 years old because of how cheap they are.
I've been confused about the release status of this documentary. This video is now 1.5 years old, it's past spring 2011, and if I understand correct it's still not publicly available or showing. Is this correct? Is it finished? How will it be released?
@zassounotsukushi If you check out the website, you can see upcoming release dates, with it having a limited release this fall and winter. It opens in LA and NY at the end of October, expanding to another 15 cities the following six weeks.
The oil companies are old, they're obsolete, they're a bloated enemy in a crumbling castle. You can't stop progress and you'll get run over for trying.
Solar powered cars sound incredibly wonderful. But have heard that batteries are terribly polluting. The nickel travels from Canada to China back to Canada, the US, Europe, etc. Manufacturing, disposing of batteries are supposedly even worse than such and such. What stories to believe? What is the truth?
There is no Nickel in the batteries used in the current crop of cars (Leaf, Volt, Tesla, etc). They use lithium batteries. Lithium is abundant and highly recyclable.
When the market pressure is high enough the car companies will know that it would be suicide to not get all over the electric car market. That pressure goes up every penny gas prices go up. The oil companies can't defeat the free market, they can only suppress it. The market does what the market wants.
yes but where does the electricity come from when you plug in your car? the burning of coal. what is the car made of? plastics which is a derivative of petroleum oil. So until we can change where we get electricity from and how we make plastic this is worthless
@cycreek16 You used google "alternative energy". There are a lot of options outside the realm of fossil fuels. In addition to that, how were plastics first invented? All it takes is a little innovation instead of whining and being a stick in the mud, or maybe revisiting old methods?
@tommy407 One wind turbine gives off enough energy to meet the needs of 1,000 homes. That will drop significantly due to the cars needing to be charged. More coal will need to be burned for extra energy, and once that runs out we'll hall to burn more oil.
Instead of directly paying for things through gas prices, we'd have to pay for it in an increase in electricity bills.
In my opinion, the only way to get this is to work is for everyone to get solar panels. that's the way to go.
@cycreek16 We don't burn coal in California. For places that do burn coal, it is still slightly cleaner to run an electric car from a coal plant than it is to drive a gas car. The real benefit in that scenario is that coal is American, so we stop sending billions a year to Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela.
You are right that plastics are important and they are largely made from petroleum. That being the case, why the hell are we burning that valuable commodity up in our cars???
DUH Electric cars may prove to be very groovy, and I'm excited by them, but they are NOT "no carbon." Electricity comes from filthy coal, and nukes -- which means they're not necessarily green at all.
Some 10 years ago GM predicted that Toyota would loose their shirt with the Prius... um what series Prius are we up to GM? Now the camry!
The Prius is THE most successfull hybid ever built and has given much needed large amounts of on road in all conditions data for electric drive systems.
A series plug in Hybrid will meet the needs of ANY oil powered car owner and in 80% of the cases a straight EV will too.
The difference between electric and gas is one takes 8 hours to charge every night (if you drive the full charge in a day), and the other takes 30 min in a line at the cheapest pumps. then you go home feeling like you wasted half of your live (every week) only to get a little less raped by the gas prices.
@Ultra4 Not for long, check out "Three-dimensional bicontinuous ultrafast-charge and -discharge bulk battery electrodes" published March 20, 2011 in Nature Nanotechnology. Charge times as fast as filling up with gas.
@vmvech i checked that out, and also found out about self-regenerating Li-ion bat WXW greencarcongress (dot)com/2011/02/white-20110223 (dot)html
Pretty cool. Still range has to came from hydrogen, you just cannot fit more electrons in a small box, but H20 has much more energy stored, electrolyze water at home or use the new photovoltaics that make H2 instead of electricity. Electric motor + 1 medium size li-ion + H2 fuell cell FTW
I know oils aint the way forward, but i still have to voice that dam electric cars suck literally due to charge times, anything longer than 5 mins is too long lol. Hydrogen seems a better solution personally, since lithium is a rare resource intensive metal. its all cool thuo
FUCK GM! Nissan and others are awesome for taking the risk. Honestly i dont see a risk, I think everyone is tired of gasoline and we have been ready for electric cars for a long time now! I cannot wait to see this documentary and the other one "what is the electric car"
Electric cars are nothing more than expensive toys and anti-global warming machines, and global warming is a religious belief part of the green religion. Passing laws to subsidize these extremely expensive religious devices is not lawful.
This is my favorite documentary next to the film "Hell and Back Again." bitly .com/xGlfQy
melisse1123 1 week ago
"until all cars on the road are electric, we will not stop."
fuck you. asswipe.
bobbybob3680 1 week ago
@bobbybob3680 Awww, did he hurt your feelings little girl?
NAWTPROF 1 week ago
And there were what 400 Chevrolet Volts sold in Jan 2012? Yeah This is not there yet. And forcing Americans to switch will not help.
Ben1238 2 weeks ago
@Ben1238 forcing? you want to completely fuck up the planet with all that gas? you wont oil price to go up every month?
ValeV008 1 week ago
@ValeV008 Yes that is correct forcing. I did not stutter. There is not solid evidence that human made carbon, gas, fossil fuels is the leading cause to the problem. I know you will argue that given you have drank the kool aid and laid down with the rest of the sheep. Oil would not go up as much if we drilled here, which will eventually happen because average Americans won't tolerate $5 gallon gas too long. I think electric cars are great it'd just the market is not there yet. perhaps 5-10 years.
Ben1238 1 week ago
@Ben1238 I'm sure americans wont go on the street because of $5 gallon gas.
ValeV008 1 week ago
@ValeV008 Perhaps not at the start. I do believe that American people will have enough of it and do something about it. Again I am not against the electric car but it is far from being at a cost level and economic level available to the general American population. Like I said in 5-10 years hopefully it'll start to become more economical.
Ben1238 1 week ago
@Ben1238 I agree it's not yet the time for electric cars (mostly because of price), but if we all say maybe in 5-10 years, companies wont make any progress on those cars, because people are not gonna buy it now. Maybe in 5-10 years. See? This thining is going on from the end of second world war. Wer'e saying "maybe in 5-10" years for, what, 60 years?
ValeV008 1 week ago
@Ben1238 The real problem is cows farting. Become a vegan! :-)
NAWTPROF 1 week ago
@NAWTPROF Well sir I am not that far off from that!
Ben1238 1 week ago
I am more interested in the background music than the movie content itself.. What is the song anyway?
kane001 2 weeks ago
well i bought my junker for 800$ and pay 100$ insurance on it, if somebody can match that with an electric car, ill bite
if not then
i could not care less
Digijedi569 2 weeks ago
This Movie suck gas. You just watch the full movie just now in this trailer.
j2theon05 3 weeks ago
alot of electric cars watch this !
mikser6666 3 weeks ago
Revenge of the electric car? That's bullcrap. How much market share do they have? The true revenge of the electric car will be when there is a battery that is cheap, can be charged quickly, and has a high energy density. Right now there is no revenge of the electric car at all. It is a niche product among environmentalists.
karl75m 4 weeks ago
@karl75m God are you guys still going on about conspiracies? Try reading a forum or a technical article occasionally, you might realize there has been slow, steady development for decades.
LegendLength 4 weeks ago
@LegendLength - What conspiracy? I never said anything about a conspiracy that I know of. I've read plenty on electric cars will love it when they are actually viable. Right now they just aren't for the average driver. Batteries are too expensive and don't have very good energy density. Also if everyone started buying electric cars there wouldn't be enough electricity production to meet demand. I just think "revenge of the electric car" is a bit hyperbolic.
karl75m 4 weeks ago
@karl75m Sorry Karl I replied to the wrong comment!
LegendLength 3 weeks ago
@csaTexan and last time the world listenned to kooks like you, the USA didnt sign the Kyoto protocol. DDT is highly toxic for humans and most of the living. PS. Books about guns and shooting niggers doesn't really count as books. redneck
dnar9 4 weeks ago
@dnar9 Thank God we didn't sign that thing-destroy the economy based on the hoax of global warming? If it was so good, why didn't Bill Clinton send it to the Senate and use his political capital to pass it? DDT is toxic because it is a pesticide, but it was a good one. Use just a little and get a good result. Now with it banned millions have died of malaria since. I doo see you are the ty[ical liberal though, end your argument by using fould language and calling the other guy names.
Srd1126 3 weeks ago
Electric cars are the future, at $100,000 a piece that is cheap. Every person will be driving one. Will the electric cars be made out of corn? Or plastic? Plastic is oil based? What kind of paint? Oil base? Tires? Plastic battery housings? What will the wiring insulation be made out of? Safety glass? Taillights lenses? Headlight housings? Body? Hardware? We will always depend on oil, until it's all gone.
dinoing07 1 month ago
I vow not to own a car in my name unless it is an electric car.
tazabinegn 1 month ago
Electric cars suck!! No sound, no pleasure!! Long live V6, V8, V10 and V12!!!
Zeghetank 1 month ago
@Zeghetank Hey Zeggy, no sound, no pleasure? search for "white zombie electric datsun" and watch a boring 1972 Datsun electric car smoke gas cars for breakfast and set world records at the drag strip :)
chetsjug 1 month ago
@chetsjug And the autonomy of the electric cars and the time for "refueling"? I watched what you said, but that Datsun is very light compared to the other cars... It has a great acceleration, but just for a few runs.
Zeghetank 3 weeks ago
@Zeghetank The White Zombie is not just for a few runs, he drives it all over town for days between charges. I know it's a practical daily driver. Home built EV S-10's and other 3,000+ pound vehicles are getting 100 miles at full performance. Check out Tom Hanks SUV that his employee drives in daily service, A/C and CD player blasting all the way. EV's are not your fathers golf cart anymore. We WILL need a gas car in the family for a long time, but EV's are totally feasible now.
chetsjug 3 weeks ago
I don't get this movie!!! It's sooooo boring!!!
Tomibleid 1 month ago
@Tomibleid Petro has destroyed the enviorment. The water, air and soil has become foul. I guess that is what is fun for you. Your either an out and out Republican slave or an out and out Moron.
32Rockie 1 month ago
...this should be soooo open source style documentary...they don't look like they need the money anyway...so GIMME THE DAMN TORRENT!!!
spirosgreco 1 month ago
THAT is an awesome licence plate.
thencaesarfalls 1 month ago
FFS, are we living in the 90's? Still not available to purchase for download or streaming online!!!
groMMit1981 2 months ago
Movie finally came to Tucson AZ. Tesla's Model S was the only car that looked beautiful. All the other electric car bodies looks as if they are worth $15K-$20K, and indeed would be if they had a gasoline equivalent. I wish Honda would have a Civic & Accord EV, Mazda with a Miata EV, VW with a Beetle EV, etc. Why spend more money on a whole new model/car design when car manufacturers can retrofit the electric components on existing models?
email4rudy 2 months ago
I can't await it anymore
We are still stuck with a 100 and something year old model that's seriously flawed
and everybody in the world is still defending even with it's dying breath.
Instead of changing it, like a scientist should do, when the experiments refute the model, the scientific procedure is to change the model, and not assail the experiments as they did with cold fusion, and not deny it, and continue to do business the old way so
that we can maybe bankrupt the nation one of these days!
TheHelicopterpilot 2 months ago
We are past peak oil. The price is held artificially low. Check the average price of gas around the world. When it hits $10 a gallon (soon) even the least aware among us will feel the sting of big oil. The price of solar panels is coming down dramatically. I have recently seen deals for .74/watt. Compare that to just a couple years ago when a deal was $5/watt. Solar & Wind are the two sane choices for powering our world. Any other conclusion is denial of reality.
hgriffin5 3 months ago
Looks like this is actually gonna happen...I don't think I'll ever be a fan of these silent, short-ranged, still somewhat impractical econoboxes, but I guess you can't stop progress...As a combustion fan and an engineer, I feel like I'm torn between liking the progress that's being made and sad that internal combustion engines are becoming "obsolete"
484berkshire 3 months ago
the answer is H not electric
nnahous 3 months ago
How was this uploaded last year and barely coming out now?
ggfanjase 3 months ago 13
@ggfanjase Paine had to assure each automaker that he wouldn't release any footage until 2011, after each company's electric cars were on the market, in order to gain their permission for making the documentary.
DontNeedToKnow84 3 months ago
@ggfanjase Well - are you still part of the group of people who thinks that conspiracy is only a theory? Proof for yourself the history of humanity. There are countless examples in the past which have been revealed - so why on earth shouldn't that happen now-days and at a bigger scale?!
TheHelicopterpilot 2 months ago
Just curious, how do electric cars handle cold weather? Do they drive well enough in blizzards?
csaber2007 4 months ago
@csaber2007 yes, they loose 30% efficiency in bellow 0, but that is like 10km even when frozen they are still more efficient than gas....... 70% beats 25-30% hmmK? oh wait 25 is in optimal weather gas in frozen temps arent even metioned...ever hmmm
Ultra4 3 months ago
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Proud2beCROATvukovar 4 months ago
"Hello. I'm an electric car. I can't go very far, or very fast. And if you drive me, people will think you're gay." -The Simpsons
JoshFazzz 4 months ago
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@JoshFazzz
"Welcome to the elctric car of the future, sponsored by the gasoline producers of America.
Electric car: 'Hello. I'm an electric car. I can't go very far, or very fast. And if you drive me, people will think you're gay.' " - The Simpsons (FTW)
Actually, I found the quote that much funnier when NOT taken out of context.
But I thank for bringing it to my attention.
BoobooLion 4 months ago
@JoshFazzz / Hey JoshFazzz, your not an electric car, your a stinking oil company, that corupts and destroys the AIR, WATER AND SOIL, and makes millions of people sick every year. You just made me puke.
32Rockie 1 month ago
If alternator keeps charging acumulator from diesel or gas motor why they didn't made a car that can charge battery itself in similar way ? And again they own us. Think for a second.
Opethns 4 months ago
@Opethns you are talking about Perpetual motion and that is impossible
denisrenelara 4 months ago
Come to Indiana please!!!!
HxIkerd 4 months ago
The Oil Monopoly has retarded innovation, destroyed the planet & corrupted our governments for well over 100 years. These few BILLIONAIRES decide whether you go to work to feed your family & if we all continue to function as a civilization...Texas Swindlers & an illiterate tribe of Bedouins.
davcomcj 4 months ago 25
@davcomcj
That is more urban legend than fact. If you think that the electric car is such a great idea. Why don't you and and few friends get together and start building them????
The ford Motor company was started with under a half a million dollars. (in todays money).
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan If you would bother to pick up a book, you would learn electric cars have been around longer than FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL burning engines. But since CORRUPTION has BOUGHT POLITICIANS, the electric car has been demonized, destroyed and BOUGHT by BIG OIL every time it hits the road. If you LOVE OIL so much, keep paying 5 dollars for the same gallon of gas that cost only 5 cents 30 years ago. You deserve it! :)
davcomcj 4 months ago
@davcomcj
I have read more books than you will ever read in your life.
If you think the electric car is such a good idea get a bunch of your friends together and build them!!
You deserve to waste all your savings on such a silly idea. NOBODY WANTS THEM!!!!
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan You must have been educated at the George Dubya Bush/Sara Palin/Dan Quayle School of Knowledge. We can tell. Talking to Texans is like talking to the wall...except the wall is smarter. lol
davcomcj 4 months ago 2
@davcomcj
Bush a Yankee from Connecticut he wasn't born in Texas.
You want to talk about literature???? Shit what was the last book you read??
CSATexan 4 months ago
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@CSATexan You must have been educated at the George Dubya Bush/Sara Palin/Dan Quayle School of Knowledge. We can tell. Talking to Texans is like talking to the wall...except the wall is smarter. lol
davcomcj 1 week ago
@davcomcj
Everyone that knows anything about cars, knows that the electric car is joke a novelty at best.
It isn't every going to get off the ground until they find a way to harness static electricity. Till then the only way to power it would be off of electricity produced from nuclear power plants.
CSATexan 4 months ago
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@CSATexan The Oil Monopoly has retarded innovation, destroyed the planet & corrupted our governments for well over 100 years. These few BILLIONAIRES decide whether you go to work to feed your family & if we all continue to function as a civilization...a handful of Texas Swindlers & an illiterate tribe of Bedouins.
davcomcj 4 months ago
@CSATexan I disagree , but then again, there are electric cars that can cover the needs for 80% percent of the population. So, it is practical, AND about 30% of LEAF owners are powering their cars with solar energy (I might be off a little is more like 27%) so I don't see electric cars bering charge with nuclear plants only.
denisrenelara 4 months ago
@denisrenelara
They are not being charged by nuclear plants cause people are not taxing the grid with car chargers. Keep in mind that the sun is a viable energy source for about 8 hours a day (assuming that it is a clear day)
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan You do know that a solar energy system has batteries right? because it is obvious that the sun is not available 24 hours
denisrenelara 4 months ago
@denisrenelara
I have done a lot on solar power, and can tell you that it would take a thousand dollars worth of solar panels hours to charge a car. While it takes me about 4 minutes to fill up my car at a gas station
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan I would definitely do it if I had the money
denisrenelara 4 months ago
@denisrenelara
In other words it is a rich mans play thing.
So why is the GOV funding this toy with our tax dollars???
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan ... I would say the same about oil companies getting tax brakes.
denisrenelara 4 months ago
@denisrenelara
Oil companies don't pay taxes at all. They call it the cost of doing business or overhead and add pass the cost on to the consumer.
Unlike solar panels. Everyone uses fuel.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan You also know that they control production of gasoline to rise princes, right? And Oil companies already make billions without tax brakes (about 14 billions without tax brakes) THEY DO NOT NEED TAX EXEMPT.
denisrenelara 4 months ago
@denisrenelara
Once again any Tax on an oil company will be passed on to the person buying the gas.
Now the production of gasoline is limited by a few factors
1 Limited refineries. ( The demand for fuel has gone up but not a single refinery has been built in the last 20 years)
2 Various blends of gasoline (for example the gas used in California is not the same blend as the gas in Maine)
3 EPA limitations
4 the cost effectiveness of oil
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan They did it one hundred years ago with Tesla's invention. YOU read a book smart ass.
32Rockie 1 month ago
@32Rockie
Look moron, I have read more books than you will ever read ok!!!
The last time the world listen to kooks like you then banned DDT which has resulted in the deaths of millions of people.
Stop spreading your stupid bull ok
CSATexan 1 month ago
@CSATexan Same old puke coming from a pukie Texan. Your kids breath the filthy air, drink and swim in the filthy water, and eat food grown in filthy soil that oil created. Your mother must be very proud of you.
32Rockie 1 month ago
@davcomcj The oil industry was the first to employ large volume computing, used for processing seismic data and running reservoir simulations. Before the advent of personal computers, the oil industry drove advances in computer technology, and other fundamentally important areas of research like polymer science and catalysis. I agree that humans should switch to a renewable energy source, but to say that the oil industry has retarded innovation is simply not true.
MetalMilitia5488 3 months ago
@MetalMilitia5488 They are just selfish, corrupt pigs who don't mind seeing millions of people get sick every year with their filthy soil, air and water which has been contaminated with the filthy toxins they create every minute.
32Rockie 1 month ago
@32Rockie Who is they? Oil companies? I believe you are, in fact, using a computer. Where do you think the polymers used to make the case for your computer come from? Petrochemicals. The electricity you are using most likely comes from a coal fired power plant. It is rather convenient to put total blame on energy companies for environmental problems like the BP oil spill, but guess why BP is still a company? People like you and me keep them in business by buying their products.
MetalMilitia5488 1 month ago
@MetalMilitia5488 Don't be so naive. When you control the field you control the research. So why do they keep BUYING HIDING & DESTROYING Electric battery technologies? From Wikipedia: "The oil industry, through its major lobby group the Western States Petroleum Association, is brought to task for financing campaigns to kill utility efforts to build public car charging stations. They posed as consumers instead of the industry interests they actually represented." Next question?
davcomcj 1 week ago
@davcomcj Control which research? A significant amount of money from the DOE and NSF goes into academic research nationwide for alternative energy sources like solar thermal, photovoltaics, biofuels from microbes, wind, fusion, etc. There are a number of start-ups in the alternative energy industry with significant funding, including one funded by Bill Gates that flopped (Pacific Ethanol). These technologies are not currently economically competitive with fossil fuels. Period.
MetalMilitia5488 1 week ago
@MetalMilitia5488 Your forgetting about the 12 BILLION per quarter OIL gets from gouging us every other day. Hand the SAME 12 BILLION to EV research and you can kiss FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL goodbye.Enjoy spending your spare time DEFENDING FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND your $5.00, $6.00, 10.00 of perpetually rising gallon of gasoline...that was only a nickel a gallon 40 years ago. Gimme more OIL TOUTS! I love tearing them down! :)
davcomcj 1 week ago
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@MetalMilitia5488 Your forgetting about the 12 BILLION per quarter OIL gets from gouging us every other day. Hand the SAME 12 BILLION to EV research and you can kiss FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL goodbye.Enjoy spending your spare time DEFENDING FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND your $5.00, $6.00, 10.00 of perpetually rising gallon of gasoline...that was only a nickel a gallon 40 years ago. Gimme more OIL TOUTS! I love tearing them down! :)
davcomcj 1 week ago
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@MetalMilitia5488 Your forgetting about the 12 BILLION per quarter OIL gets from gouging us every other day. Hand the SAME 12 BILLION to EV research and you can kiss FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL goodbye.Enjoy spending your spare time DEFENDING FILTHY FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND your $5.00, $6.00, 10.00 of perpetually rising gallon of gasoline...that was only a nickel a gallon 40 years ago. Gimme more OIL TOUTS! I love tearing them down! :)
davcomcj 1 week ago
Where do you think the energy is going to come from if everyone in the US drives an electric car? Instead of oxidizing hydrocarbons in internal combustion engines, we will be burning significantly more coal and natural gas at power plants. The enormous scale of US energy consumption and the large amount of readily available coal and natural gas (and oil in the gulf) make it extremely difficult to come up with an economically viable alternative energy source without government subsidies.
MetalMilitia5488 3 months ago
@MetalMilitia5488 Electric generating plants create power 24/7. It can't be stored, so if it goes unused, it is wasted. Charging off-peak taps energy that is going unused. Do a little research and you'll find that a lot of cars can charge for a lot of years before any additional infrastructure would be needed to add electrical capacity. Most EVs are charged at night, off-peak and time-of-use meters provide a financial incentive to do so.
joefoerster 3 months ago
@davcomcj What are you talking about? Anybody can wasgte their money trying to sell EVs, oil companies have no say. Know why these pieces of junk never sell? Because a rational consumer will not pay $10,000 more for a car that takes 100 times as long to refuel (8 hours vs 5 minutes) to go half as far on refueling (150 mles vs 300.) And all for what? They do not "help the envrionment" anyways-they brun coal! Yeah, blame oil companies.
Srd1126 3 weeks ago
@Srd1126 The reason no one buys electric cars is because the CORRUPT OIL INDUSTRY CONTROLS THE POLITICIANS. Therefore they BRIBE the politicians into juicy OIL PERMITS, TAX LOOPHOLES, TAX REFUNDS and an ENERGY MONOPOLY that EV entrepreneurs cannot possibly match. PLUS if MINDS are EXPANDED to allow WIND TURBINE ENERGY to supplement FILTHY COAL, we could recharge with ease. But since your BRAINWASHED by OIL PROPAGANDA, I expect no reasoning or SCIENCE to ooze from your "organization".
davcomcj 3 weeks ago
@davcomcj NEWS FLASH: Oil companies pay huge amounts of taxes. And why use more expensive and less reliable wind turbines over modern, clean-coal technologies when we have well over 100 years of coal available? And please explain how oil industry "propoganda" comes into the fact that EVs take 100xs as long to charge for half the driving distance Looks like I am the one who understands science. But let me ask, since you believe so much in EVs, how much of YOUR MONEY have you invested?
Srd1126 3 weeks ago
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@Srd1126 Try again. This time READ IT: Because the CORRUPT OIL INDUSTRY CONTROLS THE POLITICIANS. Therefore they BRIBE the politicians into juicy OIL PERMITS, TAX LOOPHOLES, TAX REFUNDS and an ENERGY MONOPOLY that EV entrepreneurs cannot possibly match. & if MINDS are EXPANDED to allow WIND TURBINE ENERGY to supplement FILTHY COAL, we could recharge with ease. But since your BRAINWASHED by OIL PROPAGANDA, I expect no reasoning or SCIENCE to ooze from your "organization" Get it?
davcomcj 3 weeks ago
@Srd1126 Get your facts right. The Tesla model S has an optional 300 mile range (not 150, as you stated) and takes 5 hours for a full charge, not 8. It is also possible to do a quick-charge and refill half of the battery(150 miles range) in only half an hour. Also, few people have need of over 300 driving miles each day, as the average commute in the US is less than a third of that. It is very easy to charge, just plug it in at night and it's good. The model S is NOT a "piece of junk."
thencaesarfalls 3 weeks ago
@thencaesarfalls Cheapest Tesla S with the top battery is almost $80K if you ignore the criminal federal tax rebate on it. $80K for a 300 mile range. Yip Yip Yip Yahoo. In 5 hours? Yip Yip Yip Yahoo. It isn't that people commte 300 miles a day, but that they need to go that far on a regular basis outside of their commute. I repeat-if you want to buy a piece of junk like that go ahead, but quit asking for federal handouts to do so. In fact, let Tesla pay taxes and fees like oil co's do.
Srd1126 3 weeks ago
@Srd1126 Oil companies receive $4.4 B in federal tax cuts each year, according to the AP. Tesla receives no such tax breaks. You claimed the opposite.
Why shouldn't there be federal tax credits for buying an EV? The government is investing in the future, as oil WILL NOT last forever. BP says there are 1.33 trillion barrels of oil left-and at current consumption, that will only last the world 40 years. Therefore, by 2050, we need an oil alternative. The government SHOULD invest in the future!
thencaesarfalls 3 weeks ago
@thencaesarfalls Tax Cuts not a subsidy. Tesla buyers get $7,500 when they buy a car--a subsidy! I have been hearing we have 30 years of oil for 35 years now. And we have more oil now than we did in the mid 1970s when I first heard it. And we pumped more oil than we had then since then. It is not for the GOVERNMENT to invest, let the market pick the new fuel. Drake didn't need "government" when he drilled his well. If EVs are so good, let them compete-they cant now-they are pieces of junk.
Srd1126 3 weeks ago
@davcomcj What about the billionaires that will be created from green power? Will they not be as corrupt? Are they already?
Ben1238 2 weeks ago
@Ben1238 They couldn't do any worse than who controls the ENERGY MONOPOLY now...Illiterate Texas Swindlers & Illiterate Saudi Bedouins. I can forgive greed if it helps PRESERVE the planet...not DESTROY it. Save your carefully prepared OIL Propaganda response. I already know what they wrote for you.
davcomcj 1 week ago
@davcomcj Actually sweetheart no one writes for me this is of my own opinion and facts. Those Texas swindlers are not as illiterate as you claim as for the Saudi's I cannot comment. Still you would see millions of Americans put out of work because of the cap and trade bill and faulty cars sold which would cost the average person more money for a different greedy bunch? Indeed liberalism is a mental disorder.
Ben1238 1 week ago
I sold my TSI GOLF and got a Prius. I cant afford a Tesla ... but the Prius I can. This is my way of saying ... I want to reduce oil dependency.
88daruma 4 months ago 2
"Tesla" motors, is that a reference for Nikola Tesla? The man that create electricty?
His work was so secret it never leaked out, all of it.
Vforvendetta555 4 months ago
@Vforvendetta555 Never leaked out? Have you never heard of the Niagara Falls project? It was never that secret. Read a book. They even knew about the clean free energy that he invented a method that we could have started using one hundred years ago, however J.P.Morgan who was in OIL stoped that from happening. J.P. Morgan who should have a special place in hell also brought in the Federal Reserve.
32Rockie 1 month ago
The power grid of the US isn't capable of supporting millions of electric vehicles. Generate more electricity you say? Well, 46% of our power comes from the burning of coal. Is burning the dirtiest fossil fuel really what our environment needs? We are currently sitting on more coal deposits than anywhere else in the world, so.. hmmm.. economy before environment? Business as usual.
jkhalifax 4 months ago
0:45 here we have a pompous elitist.
Planet7Station 4 months ago
In September GM sold 723 VOLTS
How much money was wasted on Solyndra ????
That ain't NOTHING compared to the waste on the VOLT. Keep feeding the rich with these loony ideas
CSATexan 4 months ago
Looks very promising but just like in Who Killed The Electric Car from 1996, who knows if they really last or the car companies secretly re-collect and destroy them, again.
Still looks promising and it sure seems a viable option to gasoline cars, regarding speed and comfort.
Independence from Oil!
Suck it up, Bush!
brockpierce1984 5 months ago
@brockpierce1984
Bush isn't the one buying the gas cars. It is the American People who do that. Al Gore being one of them.
The only option to the gasoline car is to walk. Personally I would love to see Obama walking more and wasting less gas everywhere he goes.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan well that Bush thing was just a figure-of-speech and not being seen literally.
But your are right that people buy the cars but if the infra structure for such Electric Cars are there and well spread, there shouldnt be any reason not to buy such a car.
The same with the gasoline car, at first introduction I bet many people where reluctant as well because they didnt know how it works and where to get them fueled up.
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
I worked as a mechanic for 5 years (it is way to hot to turn wrenches in texas) and I can tell you for a fact that the electric car is a dream nothing more.
It is a question of cost and potential.
The cost that comes from an electrical car is staggering
The potential is limited.
Just imagine how far a car can go with one gallon of gas, then try to push it back.
Until batteries and solar panels catch up they will exist only in sci fi books and movies
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan I agree in parts with your opinion! Currently the cost of any sole electrical vehicle is quite high because its sort of a prototype and has to establish itself.
But like all new electronics, the next generation will get more affordable and customized.
And if you are using any transport in such way of driving vast distances than it makes more sense in getting an old fashioned one.
But many people use cars mostly for inner city transport or short distances...
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
A sole electric car is already out there, which is quite affordable ( $50.000 ), fast, sporty and with a range distant of upto 300 miles on one charge ( which is expandable ).
Tesla Motors! The Roadster!
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
And for $2,000 bucks someone can buy the same thing that runs on gas
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Sure a used one without guarantee!
Well to that $ 2000 you have to add frequently fuel and maintenance costs and tax!
Some countries even subsidize sole electric cars with a tax reduction or even free tax, plus the maintenance costs will be lower because there arent as many moving part that needs replacing frequently.
Sure you have to pay electricity but you can also charge them up via solar panels for FREE.
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
lets do some math. I could buy a $2000 car
at 15 MPG drive it at $4 Gal drive it 15,000 miles per year (which is the national average) for $4000
Have the engine rebuilt for about $4000
As a matter of fact I could do that every couple of years and still come out ahead
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Sure if you count that your way, if would make more sense to have a regular vehicle.
But not everyone lives in your area, with such bargain cars or steady gas prices or even low cost maintenance costs, like DIY.
And what about the fact when the gas prices will go up, when the oil reserves are going low...which should be soon ( next generation maybe ).
And the $50.000 car from Tesla was just an example of a nice luxuries sports car. Second hand it will go down in price as well...
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
There is nowhere in the USA that someone can't buy a car for $2,000. Not to mention the fact that for $10,000 (1/5th the cost of the battery car) a person can fix anything in that car. Even replace the car 2 or three times.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Thats my point against the regular gasoline car, all those moving parts are very much vulnerable of wear and have to be replaced in such frequency, that the automotive industry makes a big chunk of their profits in those spare parts....thats why the previous electric car got scrapped by GM.
The last electric car, some 10 years ago, had almost no moving parts that needs replacing, which brings down the cost drastically.
Your calculations all referring to the cost of used cars....
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
Any machine will break if you use it enough. Any vehicle electric or man powered will break. Going down bike trailes in East Texas and I have seen bicycles fail.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Of course but you ve to bear in mind what the gasoline engine ( compression engine )have to endure. All those explosions and those greased up steel-on-steel rubbing, the heat, the speed, the energy...& this is just to power the engine itself.
An electric engine has none of those and therefore has no wear in that sector, therefore no spare parts replacement ( as frequently ).
Of course that could be seen as job loses in the car industry, when all those engineers become obsolete
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
That is just a myth, it will decades if not longer for oil to run out.
And most of the parts that do break on a car will break in any car. The question is alway proper maintenance. A person who doesn't maintain a regular car will not maintain a battery one either.
As it stands the even with billions from the GOV (some of it taken from the car industry) the electric car can't make it
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Thats a myth that you think its a myth that the oil last for several decades. You might be right at the current state of consumption, the oil will last quite a long time, but than the world population rises fast and therefore the oil consumption. In your lifetime it might be alright...but what about your kids? ---That is not my concern--- I can hear you saying that #lol
And the breakable parts in a conv. car are much more than in an electric car...and easier to fix...
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
I work in a geo physical company who does nothing but search for oil. There is billions upon billions of barrels in the USA alone. In some parts of the US there is enough to meet oil demands for the entire world for decades.
Facts are what they are if the electric car was the answer there would be electric cars all over the road. last month the GM volt sold under 1,000. Nobody buys them for a reason.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan That is of course what THEY have to believe, otherwise their stocks ( MONEY ) will go away.
Still those fossil fuels are not there forever...they will run out sooner than later!
The electric car by GM was in fact a good idea but the infrastructure to maintain them wasnt well thought of. It was only released locally, L A with a few charging stations in that area, which left customers confused.
Infrastructure has to be sophisticated enough to maintain such cars! like Gas Stations...
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
It isn't a question of stocks or money.
Look how Cell phones replaced the land line in a few years
How DVD destroyed he VHS
How Jets replaces propeller powered planes.
Electric cars don't sell. Even with GOV aid they don't sell.
Anyone that would buy an electric car is very confused considering that they are not practical.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Disagreement! It is all about power and money, by the automotive industry. And it was worse ten years ago!
But the electric car ( or any other alternative fuel vehicle ) will replace the existing cars sooner than later, just like the VHS player, prop planes and landline phones.
The most important thing is having a sophisticated wide spread infrastructure for those vehicles, to "refuel" and maintain them on the road.
Look how many alternative cars are already on the street in Germany
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
If electric power was some sort of a solution, why aren't merchant ships converting to it??
They use far more fuel than cars. The could easily recharge themselves with solar panels. Everyone in the industry should be falling over themselves to save all those billions in fuel and not have any moving parts. The only moving part would be the rudder.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@CSATexan Not just freight ships, but also diesel trains and public transport...wait that already exist...in Germany in particular.
And currently it is much CHEAPER to stay on course as long as they think they have enough oil reserves.
But oil will run out sooner than later! It wont last forever!
And we do than?
Panic and blaming the companies for being short sighted?
But so far small steps are being done already to be more independent of oil and gas!
---solar panel on houses--- ...
brockpierce1984 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
It exist cause the GOV are funding it. The same GOV that gets it money by taxing the oil based economy.
The TAX breaks for solar powered houses is enormous.
Currently there is only one viable alternative to oil and that nuclear power.
CSATexan 4 months ago
@brockpierce1984
If I could get an electric ANYTHING I would buy it. But there just isn't anything as practical as the gas engine.
Hell I wouldn't even pay for the cost of electricity, I would charge it at work and they would be happy as hell to provide the power. Since they could use it as a means of of saying how green they are.
And I work for a Geophysical company whose profits depend on oil.
CSATexan 4 months ago
where i can watch or download the movie ?
daswada9 6 months ago
where can i watch the complete video??
jonnham 6 months ago
-- GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT --
its NOT 10 Years since they Killed the Electric Car ----
its been MORE THAN - 160 YEARS - SINCE THEY KEEP KILLING ELECTRIC CAR ----
1835 - Prof. Stratingh made two-pole machines and used them to drive small cars and boats in Holland.
Source --- squidoo[dot]com/ElectricCarConversion
infact Electric Car was the first Car developed -- Patrol Cars came afterwards
watup2154 6 months ago
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If I get my hands on Electric Car i would drive it ALLLLLLL day --- n thats 1 Long day ----
Without Worrying about Spending half of my Salary on Patrol or Gas -----
Guys can you imagine how much FREE we can become by using Electric Cars
imagine never pay high Cost of Patrol
never to change Engine Oil + Filter
never Worry about so many Engine parts breaking down
never Worry about Carbon Monoxide Poisoning + Pollution (how many ppl. die in USA just by Carbon Monoxide poisoning)
watup2154 6 months ago
As a veteran and working in a military hospital taking care of returning soldiers - I'm SO looking forward to electric cars coming into their own. I love my classic musclecar, but am ready to make the shift and when the products come - convert it to electric, helping save our planet, soldiers lives - and defund those that wish us ill will. Too many reasons we HAVE to do this. Looking forward to seeing this film. :-)
mfpinterceptor 6 months ago
They can build as many electric cars as possible but if people don't have the money to buy them, then it is a complete waste of resources.
Sadly in our Economic System, we focus more on PROFIT then IMPROVING PEOPLE LIVES.
It is why the Full Economic Structure we hold so tightly to is falling apart and will continue to create more suffering until we finally change our ways from a Greed Society to a Self sustaining, and Free Sharing Society.
Sounds Far Fetched? ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
TZMBigsteelguy 6 months ago
@TZMBigsteelguy
Ofcourse the top 1 or 2% will definitely have the the money to buy 5 or 6 of those, while we have to drive around in cars that are 16 years old because of how cheap they are.
TZMBigsteelguy 6 months ago
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luggage12345 6 months ago
I would love to get hold of a copy of this documentary for my University dissertation :-)!
TheHaas1987 6 months ago
I've been confused about the release status of this documentary. This video is now 1.5 years old, it's past spring 2011, and if I understand correct it's still not publicly available or showing. Is this correct? Is it finished? How will it be released?
zassounotsukushi 7 months ago
@zassounotsukushi If you check out the website, you can see upcoming release dates, with it having a limited release this fall and winter. It opens in LA and NY at the end of October, expanding to another 15 cities the following six weeks.
jabba359 6 months ago
The oil companies are old, they're obsolete, they're a bloated enemy in a crumbling castle. You can't stop progress and you'll get run over for trying.
patrick42h 8 months ago
If you think the oil companies are gonna let you get away with building electric cars, you're.... well, you're somewhat naive. They won't have it!
badnewswade 8 months ago
Solar powered cars sound incredibly wonderful. But have heard that batteries are terribly polluting. The nickel travels from Canada to China back to Canada, the US, Europe, etc. Manufacturing, disposing of batteries are supposedly even worse than such and such. What stories to believe? What is the truth?
southrncalifgirl1 9 months ago
@southrncalifgirl1
There is no Nickel in the batteries used in the current crop of cars (Leaf, Volt, Tesla, etc). They use lithium batteries. Lithium is abundant and highly recyclable.
MrSdpaul 8 months ago
@MrSdpaul This is great news, then.
southrncalifgirl1 8 months ago
F yeah!
ravenseldon 9 months ago
When the market pressure is high enough the car companies will know that it would be suicide to not get all over the electric car market. That pressure goes up every penny gas prices go up. The oil companies can't defeat the free market, they can only suppress it. The market does what the market wants.
eurohim 9 months ago
the big oil corporations who dont pay taxes killed the electric car.
TheArceus12345 9 months ago 3
yes but where does the electricity come from when you plug in your car? the burning of coal. what is the car made of? plastics which is a derivative of petroleum oil. So until we can change where we get electricity from and how we make plastic this is worthless
cycreek16 9 months ago
@cycreek16 Not worthless, it's a step in the right direction. Don't expect to change the world overnight....
Snowmurai 9 months ago
@cycreek16 You used google "alternative energy". There are a lot of options outside the realm of fossil fuels. In addition to that, how were plastics first invented? All it takes is a little innovation instead of whining and being a stick in the mud, or maybe revisiting old methods?
snosamie6 9 months ago
@cycreek16 You idiot, we already change. What the fuck do you think those spinning propellers on the hills are for? dumb sht
tommy407 9 months ago
@tommy407 One wind turbine gives off enough energy to meet the needs of 1,000 homes. That will drop significantly due to the cars needing to be charged. More coal will need to be burned for extra energy, and once that runs out we'll hall to burn more oil.
Instead of directly paying for things through gas prices, we'd have to pay for it in an increase in electricity bills.
In my opinion, the only way to get this is to work is for everyone to get solar panels. that's the way to go.
uluis 9 months ago
@uluis Have you checked our coal reserves lately? Running out is not a problem for the foreseeable future.
We don't use oil to generate electricity, so we are not going to import foreign oil to run electric cars.
MrSdpaul 8 months ago
@cycreek16 We don't burn coal in California. For places that do burn coal, it is still slightly cleaner to run an electric car from a coal plant than it is to drive a gas car. The real benefit in that scenario is that coal is American, so we stop sending billions a year to Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela.
You are right that plastics are important and they are largely made from petroleum. That being the case, why the hell are we burning that valuable commodity up in our cars???
MrSdpaul 8 months ago
I really cant understand why cant electric car recharge while they're moving...
beatboyscp 10 months ago
DUH Electric cars may prove to be very groovy, and I'm excited by them, but they are NOT "no carbon." Electricity comes from filthy coal, and nukes -- which means they're not necessarily green at all.
gizmoid101 10 months ago
Finally a relevant film about the world instead of garbage movies and garbage reality TV that pollute the minds of the populace.
jmlew 10 months ago 22
Some 10 years ago GM predicted that Toyota would loose their shirt with the Prius... um what series Prius are we up to GM? Now the camry!
The Prius is THE most successfull hybid ever built and has given much needed large amounts of on road in all conditions data for electric drive systems.
A series plug in Hybrid will meet the needs of ANY oil powered car owner and in 80% of the cases a straight EV will too.
"GM, you were saying......."
1BustedMyth 10 months ago 11
The difference between electric and gas is one takes 8 hours to charge every night (if you drive the full charge in a day), and the other takes 30 min in a line at the cheapest pumps. then you go home feeling like you wasted half of your live (every week) only to get a little less raped by the gas prices.
Ultra4 10 months ago
@Ultra4, Never a more true word spoken
1BustedMyth 10 months ago
@Ultra4 Not for long, check out "Three-dimensional bicontinuous ultrafast-charge and -discharge bulk battery electrodes" published March 20, 2011 in Nature Nanotechnology. Charge times as fast as filling up with gas.
vmvech 10 months ago
@vmvech i checked that out, and also found out about self-regenerating Li-ion bat WXW greencarcongress (dot)com/2011/02/white-20110223 (dot)html
Pretty cool. Still range has to came from hydrogen, you just cannot fit more electrons in a small box, but H20 has much more energy stored, electrolyze water at home or use the new photovoltaics that make H2 instead of electricity. Electric motor + 1 medium size li-ion + H2 fuell cell FTW
Ultra4 9 months ago
TAKE THAT! you Big Oil bastards and GM!
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trocastire5791 10 months ago
what is the first song of the trailer?
tonnib 10 months ago
I know oils aint the way forward, but i still have to voice that dam electric cars suck literally due to charge times, anything longer than 5 mins is too long lol. Hydrogen seems a better solution personally, since lithium is a rare resource intensive metal. its all cool thuo
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Butchmedic 11 months ago
FUCK GM! Nissan and others are awesome for taking the risk. Honestly i dont see a risk, I think everyone is tired of gasoline and we have been ready for electric cars for a long time now! I cannot wait to see this documentary and the other one "what is the electric car"
mvecho1 11 months ago 2
Electric cars are nothing more than expensive toys and anti-global warming machines, and global warming is a religious belief part of the green religion. Passing laws to subsidize these extremely expensive religious devices is not lawful.
MrApplewine 11 months ago