Second American Revolution: Rousas John Rushdoony (1 of 9)

[gugmi01]

the institutes of biblical law is an amazin book and i had the opportunity to read it and write on it this year

[DandAinTac]

At least this guy's honest. He is taking the WHOLE of the Bible, not just the parts that are easier, and this is why Christianity is as bad as Islam. If you take the whole Bible, you inevitably come to the same conclusions as Rushdoony. It's only a matter of time before there are Christian terrorists and suicide bombers on the same scale as Islam. Religion is DANGEROUS, not merely silly and deluded.

[uuubeut]

The beard is the mark of the Jew...and Jews will look to sacrifice goyim...this is their duty? New World Order baptized in rivers of blood, non-jewish blood.

[jamesjeffreypaul]

This man is beyond frightening. Thank God he never acquired even a fraction of the theocratic power he sought. If he had, then many of us would have been murdered.

[jcr4runner]

This comment shows you have not even the slightest idea of what Rushdoony taught.

He did not advocate that Christians should try to seize political power or that dominion is advanced by killing people. He taught regeneration of individuals through faith in Jesus Christ and then applying the Law of God as a standard of reformation on the grassroots level.

What is frightening is when socialists, communists and atheists seize power, not when Christians work for democratic, peaceful reformation.

[Iraqveterankill4real]

@jcr4runner That statement contains more knowledge than you realise.

[jamesjeffreypaul]

But he favored the death penalty for those who violated Mosaic laws.

[jcr4runner]

And so do you.

All Christians -- in fact all people -- believe in God's Law whenever it suits them. A true "theonomist' is one who accepts and tries to obey God's law even when he doesn't like it or fully understand the reason for it.

[trentreznorisgod69]

Yes and some of us break the first 4 of the 10 commandments and would deserve the death penalty. For now, we have that right to not worship their god legally. I hope to keep it.

[jcr4runner]

@trentreznorisgod69 No, in ancient Israel, foreigners and aliens could worship their false gods in private. The Israelites could not because they were part of the Covenant. Theonomy allows for a covenantal distinction between Israel and modern Christian states.

In modern times, we could excommunicate a person from a Church for not worshiping Jesus, but the state would not have the power to execute.

[numberonesurvivor75]

Pg. 142 of the Rushdoony endorsed Van Til's book "Common Grace and the Gospel" states that all teaching of Scripture is apparently contradictory. That's the whole point of grace and salvation by faith. Scripture is only contradictory without faith.

It's important to note that Van Til provided the basis for Rushdoony's ideas and Rushdoony's "Institutes of Biblical Law" suggest that the foundation of society should be the incomprehensibility of Scripture.

[6Churches]

Don't you think that if it was easily comprehensible as it relates to practice.... that all Christians would be in agreement, when they clearly aren't.

Lecture number one in any moral theology course is that the Bible has severl competing, conflicting voices on morality.

[darrinrasberry]

"The World" in John is worldly matters, i.e. sin, not a literal world takeover. An easy exegesis demonstrates that much.

RR looks too excited about this in this video. Way too excited, especially going on about all nations and "all their peoples." He won't say what he's getting at, but it's obvious - Reconstruction.

Postmil is scary. :(

[numberonesurvivor75]

Rushdoony commits heresy when he promotes that Scripture is inherently contradictory.

[jcr4runner]

When does he say that?

[numberonesurvivor75]

Not in this video, but when he cites Cornelius Van Til. Rushdoony defended Van Til's teaching that Scripture is contradictory

[jcr4runner]

Citations?

[numberonesurvivor75]

For starters, Rushdoony said "in every area of thought, the philosophy of Cornelius Van Til is of critical and central importance (E. R. Geehan, ed. Jerusalem and Athens, [Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company, 1971], 348)."

Van Til argued that "It is because they are concerned to defend the Christian doctrine of revelation as basic to all intelligible human predication that they refuse to make attempt at stating clearly any Christian doctrine."

[PobjedaIstine]

This has nathing to do with Jesus,all this is Paul's teachings.

[thablackmarkit]

Is there a book of paul? I just heard he's a phony.

[Legatus1TTA1]

Christian reconstruction is good. Politically, it behaves better on a community level.

Sitting in on an incognito reconstruction meeting at a girl's apartment, they seem to like former president Reagan and his attempts at public service building and true civil rights reform.

[WallyGeorgeisRIGHT]

This guy is nuts imo. This nation is not the new Israel of God and Christians have no right to take up arms against it if it doesn't do what they want it to. This is extremist imo and it's wrong and bad theology.

[jcr4runner]

You either didn't watch or understand the teaching here. When the blind lead the blind both fall into a pit.

Nowhere does Rushdoony say America is the Israel of God and nowhere does he say that Christians ought to take up arms.

In fact, he says the opposite: The Church is the new Israel off Gd and we stand for regeneration -- not revolution.

[Legatus1TTA1]

Judge means tolerate

[DownWithTheOwl]

If you have read Orwell's 1984, then you know they need you to start a revolution to bring in the New World Order. They are doing everything they can to push you into it. Think ahead and above these satanic fools! They have planned for this for centuries. They have thought of everything. They think...

Wikipedia/google: Operation Mockingbird

[DownWithTheOwl]

The Tribulation is at hand: summer 2009- summer 2016

Winter solstice 2012 is just the midpoint of this 7 year period called "the abomination that causes desolation" (subtract 1260 days to find the start and add 1260 days to find the end). Get saved and repent now and you will have nothing to fear. Now you can more easily decipher things like the Denver "airport" murals & the Georgia Guidestones.

Google/youtube: "Verichip Corp" & "Project Bluebeam"

[junkkaddress]

Theonomists are antichristian. Calvinism leads to this sort of desire for totalitarian goverment based on the Law of Moses. But Christianity does not even view the Law of Moses as valid for today. Jesus nailed it to the cross. Theonomy is insanity and is of the devil. Calvinism is its origen, and Calvinism claims that God is the author of evil. Do not believe in theonomy, unless you want a Stalinist goverment that will burn you alive for being a true Christian.

[androcracy]

Wow, .....Ha ha!...Wow.... Does the spirit of Lawlessness ring a bell you to you? ..........are you schizo?..........let's see here, the only laws Gd instituted and you're raving that they are of the Devil? Like? What?!! Ok! You want laws devised by mans wisdom? Go live in Russia... well, change that, stay here. By the way, Theonomy is not synonymous with Calvinism. Was John Calvin around in the time of Moses? Help me out here.

[melervious]

Very interesting flights of fancy going on in this video. THX for posting it, it is very enlightening and informative in more ways than you might imagine.

[Cliner97]

People who have no real dominion over themselves, ie. Christianity with it's numerous denominations and all the assorted ideas of what constitutes 'right' among them, have no business seeking dominion over anyone else. And that is exactly what many of you desire. I have news for you, you won't achieve it.

[Cliner97]

Well, Christianity has certainly it's part to bring all nations under Christian dominion. Hell of alot of dead bodies left in the wake over history. And Christians wonder why so many people resist them and their religion.

[jcr4runner]

Christianity opposes killing except int he case of a just war or execution for capital crimes. "Christianity" hasn't left a "wake of dead bodies" that would not have died in another system.

Christianity has rescued more people from an untimely death than any other system whether in ransoming captive, saving babies, orphans building hospitals, charites, etc.

I invite you to go witness a culture that has been founded on a non-Christian religion or atheistic system to witness the difference.

[neothomist1275]

Dominionism is an attempt to immanentize transcendence.

Dominionism is a heresy.

[jcr4runner]

Interesting argument. Could you eleborate?

[Hashishin13]

How can you call yourself a follower of Christ and believe that there is such a thing as a "just" war". You are spitting on Christ's body nailed to the cross, the Romans were like you when they believed that they were just in crucifying Christ for causing religious unrest. Christ would have tried to convince people like Ghandi did, through peaceful demonstration.

[jcr4runner]

The concept of a just war has been expounded on for centuries.

One reason would be if a nation was attacked. Just as the use of violent force is justifiable to save the life of an individual, the same rationale is used to protect the lives of civilians if a nation is attacked or terrorized by another nation.

[kisstheclowns]

You apparently aren't that historically savvy. Over 200 million people died at the hands of atheistic governments in the 20th century alone. Thats 200 times that of the two-century-long crusades (which was more about land than anything else). We are taught to follow the war doctrine of Deuteronomy, which explicitly states that a nation is to go to war only when attacked. Just because the neocons gave us a bad name with there hijacked form of false christianity doesn't make us all idiots.

[rahul2col]

During the past decade artful hokum-peddlers, abetted by the Jews, have excited a virtual epidemic of unreason, exploiting the ignorance of the proletariat, the many persons whose minds were sabotaged by "Liberal" hokum-peddlers in the public schools. And the imposture is furthered by a passel of "creation scientists" who, having learned a smattering of scientific terminology, use it to help the big swindlers excite belief in the foolish tales of the great Jewish hoax called Christianity

[keptyeti]

All good and reasonable people should openly reject the absurd notion that any one religious cult holds dominion over the world. The concept of god-given authority over creation is too dangerous to be left unmolested in the dark corners of society where it currently festers.

[jcr4runner]

I actually agree with what you are saying. God given authority over creation is not to be enforced by man except in specific biblical case laws where God gives man this authority. The ability of a civil magistrate to punish ciminals for crimes, the authority of church elders, the authority of parents over children are examples of this.

This is "good and reasonable."

[Hashishin13]

Your opinions on the message of Christ are the same that brought about the crusades(a war on people of a faith so similar to Christianity's that their most quoted prophet is CHRIST HIMSELF) How could you, someone who calls themselves a believer in the word of Christ, believe it is ever alright to kill another human being, let alone someone who follows the words of your own prophet? What ever happened to giving the cloak off back?

[maggoli67]

"their most quoted prophet is CHRIST HIMSELF"

Except to them he is just a prophet and forerunner of Mohammed, not the Christ/Messiah, let alone God incarnate. A poor compliment to Him, I say.

[FeileadhMor]

This was great, thanks.

[notagamer]

DOo NOT make the mistake of taking these fascists lightly. They are very VERY dangerous. Oooops what am I saying? They already took control of the Whitehouse and Congress while we were busy being too tolerant.

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

[jcr4runner]

Christian Reconstruction advocates something closer to libertarianism which is the exact opposite of national socialism. It's easy to throw around terms like "fascism" without really knowing what it means.

Can you name on Christian Reconstructionist in the White House or the Congress?

[notagamer]

I don't buy your selective interpretation of "libertarianism". You mean :Liberty: as in free to worship my god or die! That is fascism. and from your comments you are one of "them" so logical arguments and empirical evidence are wasted on you.

May God save us all from the likes of you.

[jcr4runner]

Who is saying "Worship my god or die!"

That's not biblical law.

[dazedandconfucious]

Moses said that, and apparently God told him to.

"you must stone him to death, for he has tried to divert you from Yahweh, your God..." (Deuteronomy 13:11)

[jcr4runner]

This was a commandment against public idolatry in Israel -- but the Law of God doesn't require people to worship Him or die.

[MedicineWarrior]

George W. Bush. There were several others who were defeated in the last elections. Huckabee is running for office now.

[jcr4runner]

Neither Bush not Huckabee is a Reconstructionist. Sorry.

CR doesn't concentrate on enforcing the Law through civil means primarily. It focuses on in individual regeneration and local reformation.

[MedicineWarrior]

My thoughts on the proper role of the Church in civic affairs is to BE the Church. That's a full time job. When the Church knowingly and willfully participates with the "world" in business affairs, politics, warfare etc., it  ends up playing the world's game and usually on the world's terms, which then makes it "worldly" by default. Jesus spoke of his Kingdom not being "of this world" although it is "in" the world. I'm curious why we should want to try and rework that. Blessings upon you.

[jcr4runner]

Absolutely, the CHURCH should not interfere in the spheres of government that it was not called to be in authority over.

What you are not saying is whether CHRISTIANS ought to be involved in business, civil government, the military, education, mass media, etc.

Extreme forms of pietism have said that we ought to withdraw from "worldly" affairs.

Other Christians see these these as necessary evils.

Christian Reconstruction sees each as an institution ordained by God that needs reform.

[MedicineWarrior]

I don't have a problem with things the way you have stated them here. I don't think Christians should withdraw from civic engagement either, but that they should be VERY careful not to exceed the bounds of Christian ethics as laid out by Jesus' teachings like in the Sermon on The Mount.

[MedicineWarrior]

I'm not sure how you are defining reconstructionist then. I grew up in a community that had the largest Southern Baptist church in the country. They back then and every since went wild for the reconstructionist ideal and the evangelical, "Christian Right" movement in politics. They all claimed to be reconstructionists. Most Baptists claim it now. I assumed Huckabee was because he is Baptist and has spoken of enforcing Biblical law. I am Libertarian and Christian but not reconstructionist.

[jcr4runner]

I would define it the way that the founders of the movement, Rushdoony, North and others define it:

1. Calvinism

2. Postmillennialism

3. Theonomy

4. Presuppositional apologetics and ethics

5. Dominionism

It's true that some have one or two of these points, but that is not what CR is.

[MedicineWarrior]

I see. Well philosophically I am opposed to "dominionist theology" and I am a preterist or amillennialist. I have some complex reasoning for those positions which would take up more space than is available here. That doesn't mean we aren't Christian brothers. I do have some clips entitled "Myth of a Christian Nation" out there btw. Blessings upon thee.

[jcr4runner]

Whether or not a nation had Christian foundations -- or to what extent in America's case -- is moot.

Brutal communist dictatorships such as Cuba need freedom for Christians to preach the Gospel and reform the culture according to biblical principles in the civil sphere.

Dominion doesn't mean domination -- it means having a position of authority and rule. It doesn't even have to be the dominant influence. Godly social change always comes from a dedicated selfless minority.

[MedicineWarrior]

I would agree with this- but it is worth noting that not all people that espouse reconstructionism think that way. A lot of what we know as the Christian/right/evangelical/re­publican movement have crossed the line from being a selfless minority to a political power bloc of domination though superior firepower.

[jcr4runner]

We interviewed most of the figures of the CR movement in this video series. If you can find a contradiction in how I have stated it here, let me know.

The problem is that people have attacked CR without really understanding its presuppositions, arguments and conclusions.

[MedicineWarrior]

Deal. I'll watch the rest of the clips and see what I think.

[AnonymousBChurch]

jcr4runner, they know they are using the term "fascist" incorrectly, and they don't care anymore than the right wingers care about using the term "liberal" and "communist" and "socialist" incorrectly. It's a smear, not a descriptive term. Partisans are the biggest liars on the planet.

[Dort1619]

Rushdooney is an amillennial now.

[soloclanton14]

Is your god an American?

[a5dr3]

It always seems to me like RJ has a ponytail. And is a Sith Lord -Ron Paul 2008!-