Me and my classmates tried the completely new levels for Modern Warfare 2, and they're just rediculously spectacular. I dled the full working set up and the Map Pack from mw2forfreeXinfo (replace X with . ) . Operates with Steam wonderfully!
If you go in Hardcore in Free for all, hold the button in which you throw C4, but dont release and make sure you have C4 Equipped. Then you get that view.
They both do different things, steady aim will focus the shots spread to smaller area, whereas the grip will reduce the guns recoil and vertical climb after each shot by a huge amount. On my shotgun class i use the semi auto shotty with a grip, and double tap perk, works wonders.
but do you think the grip is the same as the stead aim? because both increase the accuracy of the shotgun.LOL with double tap you'll run out of bullets so quick.
u kno double tap only works with machine guns right unless u shoot a shotgun at the speed of a machine gun it aint gonna do anything u may think it does but its proven not to
was it? i really liked it, mostly because my friend brought it to my house and we could play online together. never got to the campaign though, so i have to borrow it or buy it from him...
man are you retarded??COD4 and COD2 online are completedly different idiot!!,and campaign is really awesome thing you just gotta try fagget so play it before you post shit..
Nah, last stand sucks i think. You can tell when u haven't killed them ce of the points. So u just wait and shoot em straight away. martydom is much better
yh you have to play alot of live to get a more of a choice of wepons so i suggest on your first couple of games focus on what tipe a wepon suits u the best, stick with it and you get upgrades for that wepon overall its not hard to get upgrades and once you get them you play really good
this is a gud game so is halo 3 if u like it, so u can like ur games and let other ppl like theres, o btw ppl who says halo is shit, u just suk so much ass so fuk u
well i got to levels 50 in two games types, doubles and slayer in halo... and i think halo is shit, compared to call of duty 4 but halo 3 is still really good it's just call of duty is amazing
I say i soon as you get money buy this game look how big Call of duty 2 was and 3. but with things like perks now Imagen how big the online will be. but some of us are still kinda like BRING BACK WORLD WAR 2 think of it if you had perks from that time and put them in that game think how big that would be as well
are you fucking kidding me? if this is game is such garbage why has it made the Halo 3 matchmaking lobby look like ghosttowns? this game rules it was a release that had alot of hype and it lived up to it unlike halo 3 or assassin`s creed two games where they r decent but dont deserve the hype they get
Exactly, you're a bunch of dumb newbs, you can't even spell. And you get all butt hurt when someone speaks the truth. Call of Duty 4 is junk..and only a complete moron would call it great. Fucking gay ass fanboy's
conroe you probably play halo, which isnt a real game at all. atleast CoD 4 is kinda realistic. One Headshot= Kill. No "shields". Real grenades (not blue grenades that stick to people). Real guns. And CoD 4 or any CoD actually takes skill unlike halo when you have a shield and you can kill people like you're god.
So you're the the dumb noob. Play a game that takes skill like CoD 4 or Rainbow six Vegas.
First off I don't play gaylo, secondly I play games that actually take skill/tactics (RB6 Series, BF2/BF2142, DOD:S Source, Crysis). Thirdy it doesn't take any skill to play CoD4, just a bunch of noob's running around and spaying. Singleplayer's endless supply of stupid A.I hasn't improved from the previous CoD's. The overall player movement feels like a cheap budget game, the textures arn't much better than CoD2, and it's too linear..
have you even played the games your trying to make fun of? and are you sure that Call of Duty 4 doesnt take skill? all the games you play dont take skill either. its exactly the same. get a gun and shoot. so dont bitch at a game that you havent even tried yet. you fucking queer.
Bwahaha, a GAYLO FANBOY called me a fucking queer. And to top it off it's a little asian kid ahaha. Yes, little boy, I have played all of the COD's and GAYLO's. For some fucking reason I think they're going to get better, but they end up being the same if not worst. And no they arnt the same as the games that I've listed as me playing. Have you played the games that I've listed as playing, I doubt it. You'd be wondering around a map clueless.
Skill isn't running around like a mindless idiot spraying your gun in a linear map. Than dying and doing it all over again. It's succeeding in tackling any obstacle by making the right decision's at the right time (plan, follow through, accomplish). This is mostly done by how well you work with your team. Halo and COD done have that..if so..very little..
First of all, playing a game cannot be a reason for a person to be a "newb". What is exactly wrong with this game, is it because you aren't good at it? and when you mean "play a real game" Another thing is that why would you call someone "dumb" if they enjoy a game? And as for you other comment, how can you opinion be a truth? And could you provide an example for a "real game"? As far as I can tell, (correct me if I'm wrong) there is no game that matches COD4's realism.
dude u need to fuckin chill out. take a fuckin valium or somethin. ur gettin ya self worked up over video games???!!! And whats more, without any provocation too??!! man i feel sorry for u caring this much about somethin as insignificant as this.
is any1 having problem with this game on xboxlive and if u do, and know whats wrong msg me on my acount.exaple.downloading game settings for ages then crashing or you need an active network account to play online when i have
Dudes, no offense, but this game makes me puke... of jealousy. I've watched 2 games that makes me jealous, MOH: Airborne, and COD 4: Modern Warfare. Let me know if theres any other game that could make me drop dead.
COD4 will because I just finished it on hardened (sorry if I spell the words wrong) and it has a kick ass single player game and a very deep and fun multiplayer online which really blows Halo 3 out of the water
Yea, at one trailer (All Ghillied Up) the camo looks like the fucking ground. You could spot a large bump on the ground, but i got fooled up close. i also saw a helicopter scene, fucking awesome like real life.
ok ill admit cod4 is good but still u gotta give the halo series its props,cause its the only game that has kept the xbox/360 on the map so come on gotta give it credit all u fuckers who think its dumb and stupid its only cause u cant afford it
i agree cod4 is good same with halo 3 but the ppl who say halo 3 sucks shit seriously its their opinion of the game but doesnt mean u have to diss the fuck out of it everyone has dumb fuckin fights over it if u dont like the game then u dont like it but dont make a huge freggen deal over it
I liked halo 2 online, and halo 3 online, but fuck em both, all the whiny little bitches and noobs ruin the games multiplayer.
COD4 has almost none of those morons, and its way better, I rarely get pissed off at it, unlike Halo online, I love that killcam when you die, helpful to me (as a newer online player) and helps me find noob spots to avoid...
actually i play halo 3 alot... but it gets boring after awhile, ( especialy the people who were waiting for halo 3 by playing halo 2 alot) and ive asked people in match making and they agree.
love the hd
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angelinehungate99 1 year ago
This is amazing, but for some reason it stops at 1:41 for me.
SmartStudios 1 year ago
me have modern warfare 2 =S
greytails 2 years ago
Idkidkidk double tap does work on shotguns it's been proven for xbox, even look it up
xfirefox9890x 2 years ago
howd u get dem sweet camera angles bro?
KillerDrizzle 2 years ago
If you go in Hardcore in Free for all, hold the button in which you throw C4, but dont release and make sure you have C4 Equipped. Then you get that view.
GokarX 2 years ago
cool vid, liked the effects :)
UgandaNeles 2 years ago
cool vid
luked1964 2 years ago
do you think steady aim is the same as putting the grip on the shotgun? which is better?
ninhbac04 2 years ago
They both do different things, steady aim will focus the shots spread to smaller area, whereas the grip will reduce the guns recoil and vertical climb after each shot by a huge amount. On my shotgun class i use the semi auto shotty with a grip, and double tap perk, works wonders.
NigelGriff 2 years ago
but do you think the grip is the same as the stead aim? because both increase the accuracy of the shotgun.LOL with double tap you'll run out of bullets so quick.
ninhbac04 2 years ago
u kno double tap only works with machine guns right unless u shoot a shotgun at the speed of a machine gun it aint gonna do anything u may think it does but its proven not to
idkidkidk62 2 years ago
Um you should say you didn't make it
its off the cod4 website (include it in the description..
WhyCallOfDuty 2 years ago
hmm its common sense, and it doesn't change anything anyways
mateoarv 2 years ago
I didnt mean it in a bad way ;)
good video.
WhyCallOfDuty 2 years ago
Well Edited what software was used ??
georgecochrane 3 years ago
Private matches, and a camera card, Then the perk stuff is probably some editting software like adobe photoshop with a 3d program.
LionheadST 2 years ago
he didnt make it dude
MasterTT123 2 years ago
I know he didnt make it, I was on about the developer. :)
Vidsector 2 years ago
This game rocks!!!!!! Its awesome on the PS3! but im not that good online, i always geet knifed.........or someone has an rpg. that sucks! ha ha
*Forever & Always* Ivy
percyfan101 3 years ago
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Tenki09 3 years ago
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mateoarv 3 years ago
great video crap quality
turbinati15 3 years ago
wow well made video
tazot1234 3 years ago
thats cool
themythrules 3 years ago
good search and destroy class
mp5 silenced
frag x3
uav jammer
extreme conditioning
smoke grenade
Jsullivan75 3 years ago
is this game set over in iraq
lukedmac19 3 years ago
No...
Fallendown101 3 years ago
a bit, not all of it.
xXRageAddictXx 3 years ago
which perk do you recoomend for search and destroy UAV jammer or Stopping power ??
legokid14 3 years ago
UAV
Fallendown101 3 years ago
i use
3 frag
stopinpower
extreme condition
RyanRecon20 3 years ago
Holy crap what a vid!!!!! :0
minifoot1 3 years ago
i use w1200 shotgun with red dot scope, usp.45 no attachments, and the perks i use is:
frag grenades X3
sleight of hand
deep impact
and my secondary grenade is FLASH!!
hypergoku06 3 years ago
that not your vid
freddo102 3 years ago
nice vid
maxdlv 3 years ago
how do you install these perks?
Thuuur 3 years ago
you don't have to, in the game you can see 3 lists of perks and you choose only 3, 1 of each list =D
mateoarv 3 years ago
ok tnx... multiplayer?
Thuuur 3 years ago
yes
mateoarv 3 years ago
This is like the 10th time I've seen this trailer!!!Uhhhh
odysseus48 3 years ago
That is by far the coolest COD4 video i have seen on youtube.
HeAvYMeTaL0473 3 years ago
Very cool vid 5/5
gregan16 3 years ago
Im first prestige lv. 17 gamertag chaosown, add me if u got 360 cod4 live, etc.
oo0wned0oo 4 years ago
this ROCKS!!!
dachamplamp 4 years ago
Does Creating a class work for every system (except DS) and perks?
jakester013 4 years ago
yep
dachamplamp 4 years ago
Call of duty 3 was the worst of the cod's
corinthian93 4 years ago 2
aagreed
saftelskeren 4 years ago
was it? i really liked it, mostly because my friend brought it to my house and we could play online together. never got to the campaign though, so i have to borrow it or buy it from him...
sk8soldskool 4 years ago
Yeah I hear the online was pretty good and similar to that of cod2 but the campaign sucked.
corinthian93 4 years ago
ohhhh, okay
sk8soldskool 3 years ago
man are you retarded??COD4 and COD2 online are completedly different idiot!!,and campaign is really awesome thing you just gotta try fagget so play it before you post shit..
dadestor 3 years ago
I've got all the call of duties and I was comparing cod2 to cod3.
corinthian93 3 years ago
Oh,tehn I agree,I love classes in cod3 and returning of vehicles :D
dadestor 3 years ago
one of the coolest videos ever , should be a commercial good job!=]
HappyTimePrductions 4 years ago
every1 please tell me how to play online cause i have no idea how 2
quadbiker101101 4 years ago
which console do you have?
AcAsH0o7 4 years ago
dont wrry man ive got a wireless router and im playin online
hav u got it on ps3? tell me ure name and ill pwn u
quadbiker101101 4 years ago
lol, what lvl are u? and yes, i got internet cable, not router
AcAsH0o7 4 years ago
only colonel(lvl 40) but oh well
didnt mean tht comment and anyway have u got overkill perk??
thts how i destroy every1 wiv tht perk
and whts ure username?mine is sagarmali007
quadbiker101101 4 years ago
i'm lvl 51.. almost lvl 52 and the username is for Playstation network.. right?
AcAsH0o7 4 years ago
on ps3 ye wht ure name? and now im colonel 1 dunno wht rank
quadbiker101101 4 years ago
ADISRWRONG
AcAsH0o7 4 years ago
will there be a call of duty 5?
i like this game, but it to arcadey, it feels like that unreal tournament game.
they need to slow this game down a bit, like rainbow six.
rrr777rrrg 4 years ago
CoD5 is being produced as i type this, by the creators of CoD3 i hear, which means its going back to WW2 with shitty bolt action and boring battles
HellfireSarge 4 years ago
yeah. infinity ward is starting work on cod6.
ThePHENOM987 4 years ago
wasnt a very good perk video lol.
69pimpstick 4 years ago
oh my god, i love the perk "last stand" they think they killed you tehn you kill them, bastards
sigilkeeper 4 years ago
ya then ur team steals ur kill
doid100 4 years ago
Nah, last stand sucks i think. You can tell when u haven't killed them ce of the points. So u just wait and shoot em straight away. martydom is much better
Karateworm 4 years ago
but u got the kill...
italianrap 4 years ago
i love this game
andresarriola 4 years ago
the games good
i highly recommend it
i got to lvl 55 in about a month playing only on saturdays and sundays.
and i got a group of good friends i culd hang out wit
its very tactical.
many perks many ways to die.
many ways to pwn
AndrU369 4 years ago
yh you have to play alot of live to get a more of a choice of wepons so i suggest on your first couple of games focus on what tipe a wepon suits u the best, stick with it and you get upgrades for that wepon overall its not hard to get upgrades and once you get them you play really good
singh0116 4 years ago
cod4
chrisbarnes1000 4 years ago
out of these 3 games which two wud YOU get "gears of war, halo 3, or call of duty 4"
thierry2pac 4 years ago
still how can he kill everyone without amming down his sights?
holyjustin123 4 years ago
awesome awesome video 20/10
I3DoMiNiC3I 4 years ago
I love this game.. the entire game beats Halo 3 IMO. And live is so much funner
moosekrunch63 4 years ago 2
yeah i waz playin it online on me mates ps3.class
kinnegadxlad 4 years ago
i still think halo 3 live is better thats the only reason i play halo 3
castoraA123 4 years ago
great edit dude.
VonZipper624 4 years ago
bad ass vid 5/5
Uberboy07 4 years ago 2
this is a gud game so is halo 3 if u like it, so u can like ur games and let other ppl like theres, o btw ppl who says halo is shit, u just suk so much ass so fuk u
MrNaFaN 4 years ago 7
This game's multiplayer is most likely gonna beat Halo 3 though.
MilanKorr91 4 years ago 7
Defenatly
moosekrunch63 4 years ago 3
well i got to levels 50 in two games types, doubles and slayer in halo... and i think halo is shit, compared to call of duty 4 but halo 3 is still really good it's just call of duty is amazing
StefyEvan 4 years ago 2
I say i soon as you get money buy this game look how big Call of duty 2 was and 3. but with things like perks now Imagen how big the online will be. but some of us are still kinda like BRING BACK WORLD WAR 2 think of it if you had perks from that time and put them in that game think how big that would be as well
RazorCell7 4 years ago
I'll tell you this honestly:the game is VERY stacked towards people with higher ranks.
bully129 4 years ago
are you fucking kidding me? if this is game is such garbage why has it made the Halo 3 matchmaking lobby look like ghosttowns? this game rules it was a release that had alot of hype and it lived up to it unlike halo 3 or assassin`s creed two games where they r decent but dont deserve the hype they get
mgsfan4life 4 years ago 7
all 3 of those games are horrible..
conroe4 4 years ago
nice vid ill favorite it
Laluush 4 years ago
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are you people dumb? or absolute newbs? call of duty is lame..play a real game
conroe4 4 years ago
And your a retard, and lame!
ihatechavies 4 years ago 4
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Exactly, you're a bunch of dumb newbs, you can't even spell. And you get all butt hurt when someone speaks the truth. Call of Duty 4 is junk..and only a complete moron would call it great. Fucking gay ass fanboy's
conroe4 4 years ago
conroe you probably play halo, which isnt a real game at all. atleast CoD 4 is kinda realistic. One Headshot= Kill. No "shields". Real grenades (not blue grenades that stick to people). Real guns. And CoD 4 or any CoD actually takes skill unlike halo when you have a shield and you can kill people like you're god.
So you're the the dumb noob. Play a game that takes skill like CoD 4 or Rainbow six Vegas.
JAYTH3ASSASIN 4 years ago
First off I don't play gaylo, secondly I play games that actually take skill/tactics (RB6 Series, BF2/BF2142, DOD:S Source, Crysis). Thirdy it doesn't take any skill to play CoD4, just a bunch of noob's running around and spaying. Singleplayer's endless supply of stupid A.I hasn't improved from the previous CoD's. The overall player movement feels like a cheap budget game, the textures arn't much better than CoD2, and it's too linear..
conroe4 4 years ago
have you even played the games your trying to make fun of? and are you sure that Call of Duty 4 doesnt take skill? all the games you play dont take skill either. its exactly the same. get a gun and shoot. so dont bitch at a game that you havent even tried yet. you fucking queer.
Azndeath990 4 years ago
Bwahaha, a GAYLO FANBOY called me a fucking queer. And to top it off it's a little asian kid ahaha. Yes, little boy, I have played all of the COD's and GAYLO's. For some fucking reason I think they're going to get better, but they end up being the same if not worst. And no they arnt the same as the games that I've listed as me playing. Have you played the games that I've listed as playing, I doubt it. You'd be wondering around a map clueless.
conroe4 4 years ago
Skill isn't running around like a mindless idiot spraying your gun in a linear map. Than dying and doing it all over again. It's succeeding in tackling any obstacle by making the right decision's at the right time (plan, follow through, accomplish). This is mostly done by how well you work with your team. Halo and COD done have that..if so..very little..
conroe4 4 years ago
"Thirdy it doesn't take any skill to play CoD4, just a bunch of noob's running around and spaying."
Dude you basically described every FPS with that one sentence all you do is run around and shoot >_>
Dope1489 4 years ago
you obviously have never tried an fps game. they are the best type of games evah!!!
Pinoylegend707 4 years ago
I love FPS specially online ones XD
Dope1489 4 years ago
and when i said all you do is run and shoot i was sayin what he said
Dope1489 4 years ago
boohoo :( bahaha, nice one..shrek, no go back to your swamp..
conroe4 4 years ago
"are you people dumb? or absolute newbs? call of duty is lame..play a real game"
Like what? Who can fuck your mom up the ass?
diong001 4 years ago 5
niiiiice. i'm in
rupes10 4 years ago
fuck you
outfit03 4 years ago
riiight...now put your little inch worm away..
conroe4 4 years ago
First of all, playing a game cannot be a reason for a person to be a "newb". What is exactly wrong with this game, is it because you aren't good at it? and when you mean "play a real game" Another thing is that why would you call someone "dumb" if they enjoy a game? And as for you other comment, how can you opinion be a truth? And could you provide an example for a "real game"? As far as I can tell, (correct me if I'm wrong) there is no game that matches COD4's realism.
TheAlphaNoodle 4 years ago
most retarded comment ive sen in a while..... why dont u tell us what a real game is -_-
hack2194 4 years ago
i like Pina Colada's.......bitches.
TheTriumph 4 years ago
conroe probably sucks and plays hello kitty island adventures :p no intensity or shock for the noob :D
rohanzs 4 years ago
dude u need to fuckin chill out. take a fuckin valium or somethin. ur gettin ya self worked up over video games???!!! And whats more, without any provocation too??!! man i feel sorry for u caring this much about somethin as insignificant as this.
adh106 4 years ago
is any1 having problem with this game on xboxlive and if u do, and know whats wrong msg me on my acount.exaple.downloading game settings for ages then crashing or you need an active network account to play online when i have
AKACypher 4 years ago
cool video
sanita70 4 years ago
Dudes, no offense, but this game makes me puke... of jealousy. I've watched 2 games that makes me jealous, MOH: Airborne, and COD 4: Modern Warfare. Let me know if theres any other game that could make me drop dead.
TerrorWatcher 4 years ago
COD4 will because I just finished it on hardened (sorry if I spell the words wrong) and it has a kick ass single player game and a very deep and fun multiplayer online which really blows Halo 3 out of the water
theprowler18 4 years ago
Yea, at one trailer (All Ghillied Up) the camo looks like the fucking ground. You could spot a large bump on the ground, but i got fooled up close. i also saw a helicopter scene, fucking awesome like real life.
TerrorWatcher 4 years ago
GREAT GAME
GREAT VIDEO
5/5
EricXNgu 4 years ago
Seeexy. COD 4 rocks
xlBenJlx 4 years ago
Ma quanto cazzo è bello...
giuliandelcigno 4 years ago
CoD4 has better replay value, better Multiplayer, etc., but Halo 3 is extraordinary for their use of lighting, their story, and their music.
teamlk 4 years ago
Brilliant review, love the way you have done the video, 5 *'s.
xpd2k6 4 years ago
ok ill admit cod4 is good but still u gotta give the halo series its props,cause its the only game that has kept the xbox/360 on the map so come on gotta give it credit all u fuckers who think its dumb and stupid its only cause u cant afford it
Darthhunter 4 years ago
r u fuckinn serious halo is trash compared to this!
cito35th 4 years ago
i agree cod4 is good same with halo 3 but the ppl who say halo 3 sucks shit seriously its their opinion of the game but doesnt mean u have to diss the fuck out of it everyone has dumb fuckin fights over it if u dont like the game then u dont like it but dont make a huge freggen deal over it
iamstupid56 4 years ago
omfg all you halo fans flip out by the fact that thers MANY better games than halo and you guys can accept the fact ppl have diffrent opions
yes you should give halo props
but thers many better games and this is one and now since halos gone cod4 and many other games will finally shine
mailman354 4 years ago
get over the fact ppl may like OTHER GAMES BESIDES HALO i like fable,mercinares,cod1,2,3,ace combat 6 ALOT better even socom was funner
cant we none halo fans enjoy OTHER games without halo fans bitching about it
mailman354 4 years ago
nope halo fans will always bitch because they wont admit that halo is overrated
Dope1489 4 years ago
halo is overrated
jkabaginda 4 years ago 4
yea but fanboys will always think it best no matter what
Dope1489 4 years ago
i'm an halo fan and i admit that halo is overrated...cod4 is better and it was a good suprise to discover that game...
slayerofadream 4 years ago
sorry i meant fanboys
Dope1489 4 years ago
I liked halo 2 online, and halo 3 online, but fuck em both, all the whiny little bitches and noobs ruin the games multiplayer.
COD4 has almost none of those morons, and its way better, I rarely get pissed off at it, unlike Halo online, I love that killcam when you die, helpful to me (as a newer online player) and helps me find noob spots to avoid...
darthruneis 4 years ago
lol yea COD4 is much better IMO
Dope1489 4 years ago
this so pwns halo 3
mailman354 4 years ago 11
music to my ears
thekratos101 4 years ago 3
dude every thing pwns halo3 its really boring after awhile!!!
flagingisretarded 4 years ago
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ur a fuckin idiot tell that to 15 million people and more coming dusch
HaL02pRo 4 years ago
actually i play halo 3 alot... but it gets boring after awhile, ( especialy the people who were waiting for halo 3 by playing halo 2 alot) and ive asked people in match making and they agree.
flagingisretarded 4 years ago 2
well not halos multiplayer
plus thers many secrets on halos campian
but yea your right halo is pretty dull
mailman354 4 years ago
Your so awesomely right.
TheBiggestWolf 4 years ago
11/5/07 it come out.yaa cod 4 sweet
RAULO3 4 years ago
in US i think its like nov 6th or 5th i think
sithkiller18 4 years ago
kurdish kill :)
nightwolf61 4 years ago
this game is gonna rock multiplayer
thicky7ern 4 years ago
Really nice!
kapiainen85 4 years ago
sweet
StickKingInc 4 years ago
Last stand is asum but i think the death wer u drop a grenade is better
TuTrixUK 4 years ago
nov 5
guilleco 4 years ago
Wow thats cool
LeadGamer 4 years ago
thx
mateoarv 4 years ago
i think in UK its out around November, not sure when for US and other countries
cowieScoTLAND 4 years ago