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  • i think is bart simpson vs- milhouse...right? hahah lol

  • was this filmed with a potato?

  • Don´t you have the full fight? I want to know who won.

  • REAL MIXED MARTIAL ARTS IS PERFECT...UFC/PRIDE/WHATEVA THE HELL ELSE...NOT SO MUCH...ITS THE SAME STYLES...DOIN THE SAME CRAP ON DIFFERENT DAYS...BRING BACK THE REAL VERSION

  • Amazing

  • Shaolin = Master Yoshi in real life... you wanne become goku go to him and let him train you !!

  • 240p we meet agien

  • Love this guys technique

  • those kicks at 1:03 are the best thing ive ever seen in my life!!

  • if you hit, better yet if you can even hit a shaolin monk its gonna feel like your punching a brick wall. these guys are no joke. they train their entire lives to make themselves a human weapon.

  • @shogunninjah you know i bet if they enlisted in the army they would be like delta force first day haha straight up commander of their own team haha. just saying, a squad of monk assasins would scare the hell out of me. thank goodness they are peaceful

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  • @Malk64

    Dude a fully trained shaolin monk could rip a mma fighter to shreads. They don't usually fight however. Which sucks.

  • monk looks like jet li! :D

  • im going to have to correct you there. Its shaolin Kungfu and the shaolin monk is fighting a tae kwondo master

  • @Eddtastic100 it's actually gong fu...kung fu = european ignorance

  • @gallya Tamayto... tomato its alllllll gooood

  • which pixel is the monk???

  • @malk64 you be trollin' ; P

  • shaolin monks wont fight in ufc. just for survival self defense wise.

  • What a gay song

  • yeah my english is great

  • those ultimate fighter jack ass monkeys will loose against shaolin monks in matter of seconds.

  • @1233219773 probably not.

  • @Malk64 why?

  • @VizzeOne Because all their martial arts experience goes out the window when they're down and mounted.

  • @Malk64 Shaolin monks learn ground fighting. But you're right in the cage fight MMA fighter would win. On the road course, the Shaolin monk would win.

  • @VizzeOne Then he wouldn't be using his shaolin skills, he'll be using the groundgame of mixed martial artists.

    And on the street, the MMA has the big advantage, because when the monk is taken down, he lands on concrete...

  • @Malk64 Your opinion. If you see real Shaolin Kung Fu you would think differently about it. In addition, ground combat in a real fight is not really good. I now have no desire to discuss, because I know that MMA fighters are weak in contrast to monks or other martial artists. Adios!

  • @VizzeOne Err, having the mount during ground fighting is essentially the key to victory.

    From there on, your opponent cannot move, even trained individuals cannot escape the mount with ease, and will recieve nothing but a flurry of elbows to his face.

    But hey, your shaolin monk will be able to take that. :)

    Just look at that kung-fu "master" vs MMA fighter video, hehe.

  • @Malk64 You know, that there are no youtube videos of Shaolin Kung Fu? ^^ Only a few.

    LOLOLOL fuck off

    NO

    MMA Homos FTW! d

  • @VizzeOne Sounds like somebody is insecure of the abilities of these Shaolin monks.

    Don't worry, I'd be insecure too if it was proven to be hogwash.

    Enjoy your err, art?

  • @Malk64 You think MMA fighters are stronger than Shaolin monks? LOL

    Man its been really that stupid thing I've ever seen. You sit around at home and watching MMA. MMA is just entertainment. You really think that MMA fighters are strong? Sorry, thats not true.

  • @VizzeOne Ehm, no, I know for a fact that the champions in MMA are the most dominant and well-rounded fighters in the world.

    You do realize that MMA stands for mixed martial arts, right?

    That Shaolin Kung Fu B.S. can be used, but nobody does, because it's not effective.

    People use what is proven to be effective, which is primarily Muay Thai, BJJ, and Greco-Roman wrestling.

    Karate has been incorporated well into MMA by Lyoto Machida, as he mixed it up with other forms of martial arts.

  • @VizzeOne And unlike you, I've sparred MMA, I know how physically taxing it is.

    You, and your Shaolin monks wouldn't last 2 minutes before getting caught in an armbar, or choked.

    But hey, people can believe what they want to believe.

    =)

  • @Malk64 Thanks again for your reply. Unfortunately, you're completely wrong.

    I have Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Muay Thai and BJJ made. And I tell you the Kung Fu is the best self defense for a real fight. Shaolin monks train to kill or hurt the enemy. Shaolin monks have previously defended their temples from attacks and there are much stronger than your cage fighter.

  • @VizzeOne Not only are Shaolin monks physically weaker, they trained all their lives learning an obsolete martial art.

    Shaolin Kung Fu is not effective anywhere, especially not in an MMA ring.

    Get over it.

    Kung Fu is nice to look at, but if you want to see real combat, you should watch some PRIDEFC videos.

  • @Malk64 LOL

    really? XDD You've got no idea. Are you serious? LOL

    You have no idea of Shaolin Gong Fu. You've never seen genuine Shaolin and talk such a shit? I think you confused it with modern wushu. xDDDD

  • @Malk64 you have never seen shaolin kung fu have you watch?v=bS9XIgiPBws shaolin monks physically weaker they train to uproot a tree with their bear hands I don't know any mmartist who would do that. Get some education before being a dumbass here.

  • @Malk64 Then you don't know what's self defence, what's sport.

  • @Malk64 I recommend you go to the Shaolin temple, then you see what real martial art is. In addition, train Shaolin Monks Shaolin Kung Fu all her life, this is the Deadliest Martial Art and the Shaolin Monks are masters of this to perfection. Your cage fighters have no idea of real battles in the street that are all just body images that are slow and weak. Go to China and you will see what real martial arts. Something you do not see on TV or the Internet. Have fun. MMA lol

  • @VizzeOne Lets get one hing straight MMA works.If it didn't no one would watch it.But to compare the two traditional martial arts gave birth to mma.plus mma has rules.so to put a style that is really self defense or made to kill someone against a sport(washdown version).Look what happen to an mma fighter when he gets poked in the eyes.Do you really think ones you hold a monk armbar is gonna come so easy.I take several but the most import is Krav Maga simply because the mind set you have to have

  • @Malk64 I am sure you believe that by watching YFC/MMA in the tv you feel more of a man. I bet you and your steroid wannabe friends go to your backyard and wrestle like little fag bitches. Lol

  • @ThirdReich100 Yep. That's entirely true.

    Looks like the bullshido defense force is up early.

    Too bad that's all Shaolin Kung Fu, Wing chun, and all the sort will ever be, bullshido.

    Like I said, enjoy your Kung Fu. =)

  • @Malk64 I like the part were you make a funny face in the last word of your comment to give emphasis to your phrase. It makes you look stupid. So you are the next Chuck Norris i reckon.

  • @ThirdReich100 You would also like eradication of Africa, wouldn't you?

    Silly neo-nazi.

  • @Malk64 No happy face now? I guess you learned your lesson. HAHAAHAH

  • @Malk64 Ever heard of the animal forms? If so, then you'd know what I mean.

    MMA is just entertainment, but unfortunately the MMA fanboys do not understand and say MMA fighters are the strongest fighter in the world. Grow up. In addition, MMA fanboys have never seen a real martial art. Very poor.

  • Uh, the opponent was a Tae Kwon Do master, not a Kung Fu master.

  • do all monks know how to fight?

  • @LarryNikkoDavis No..this is a specific school oh Mahayana Buddhism, more specifically Chan Buddhism (known as Zen in Japan)..and even more specific Shaolin Buddhism. They consider Gung Fu as a form of moving meditation. The main purpose is spiritual.

  • stunning quality

  • All of you that say they would do well in the UFC do not understand the rules very well, u cannot fight to kill someone in the UFC there are things u cannot do, therefore they would do poorly in the ufc, would they kill an average joe well hell ya but in the ufc they would lose

  • WHOA! @ 1:10

  • If a Shaolin monk ever fought in the UFC, he would beat any of them in less than one second. It wouldn't even be a competition.

  • shaolin monks never actully fight...but they by far have the most deadly fighting style

  • amazing action makes up for the quality

  • man they should have a ring or something so they actully can kick each other instead of running out ot the squre

  • That is one nice speed.

  • video sucks shit!

    couldnt see much

    but the fight was mad

  • This fight needs to be done in a cage or ring, so they can't run away every time one starts to attack. The one hand blocking was impressive though,

  • @oOIZodiacIOo if he cant back pedal he could just move sideway. its called dogeing. and also its for your stance. u gotta stay in a good distant. cant be too far away. or too close. what dou want? stand there and trade punches and see who eat more punches?

  • i think the monk could of easily beat him with his eyes close this monk is fast ass hell

  • lol the monk has better kicks than the tkd guy

  • wish we could see this stuff in ufc

  • @andrewtheone7 you can't see forever. most ufc fighter is gay or money maker. they need male's asshole or money. have no good mental = can't learn martial arts forever.

  • @andrewtheone7 You do every time you watch it...you just don't see the flashy moves...

  • @almoststewy2 I'm gonna sic the monk on you.

  • @BobbyThrasher lmao ya fuckin jew cunt

  • @almoststewy2 Clever.

  • love that kick at 1:11

  • Good job on ruining this video with a shit song.

  • if no contact is made then how can it be called a fight?

  • wtf cung fu?? what is that?

  • why

  • lol its funny how the shoalin monks are the best fighters in the world but there peacefull people?

    why do they spend there time practising?

  • shaolin monks were supposed to be the "militia" of the old times. They connect to themselves Spiritually. Shaolin monks were supposed to "protect" the homeland. Now, there are barely any remnants, other than that of less than 3 shaolin templs in China

  • @jronrcano There has always been only one temple dumbass

  • you are dumb

  • i dont care wat sum people say, either of those two, or any master in a martial art (except for tae kwon doe) would destroy anyone in ufc

  • you do know that UFC is MMA which stands for mixed martial arts right? And alot of them are black belts and damn near masters. Plus they do that for a living, yes these men are good but UFC worthy doubt it

  • ya but these guys are actually masters, the people in ufc are just good, and im pretty dam sure ther havnt ben any shaolin monks...

  • No. The Shaolin monk has trained for his whole life so yes those guys would woop UFC ass. However a lot of UFC fighters are masters of karate and other styles as well. Have you watched some of the best fighters? Now a master of one style would easily qualify but not necessarily win. Now a Shaolin monk would KILL them (if he decided to stop following the whole "no killing" thing).

  • Aren´t you getting sick of all this discussions which fighting style ist best? There is NO best style or superior training method, it all depends on the individual. all great fighters admit that!! there are kungfu, karate or whatever fighters that have been training for years and nevertheless get beaten their brains out by a plain boxer ;-) it comes down to speed, reflexes, strength + ability to execute techniques as precisely as possible. Some of these can be acquired by training- some CANNOT

  • some of them are just ignoring your comment, because they can't handle the truth.

  • Some styles are better than others. I mean boxing is one of the worst and some styles are just for show. You are right in that fact that each style goes for a different situation. However I would say that pit any body against a Shalin master, a person who does nothing but train, then you would get your ass handed to you no matter what style. Really if a person traisn for their whole life then you do not really stand a chance.

  • no such thing as a style thats better than another style. its the practitioner and his skill level, which you kinda said.

  • Not true. I mean a kick boxer of almost any level almost always beats a boxer.

  • not necessarily... you mean to tell me that a kick boxer with decent skill against a great boxer is going to win? just because he has the advantage kicking more than the boxer doesn't mean crap against the boxer if the boxer is smart enough to figure out his opponent. fighting is mental as well, and if the boxer is a better practitioner than the kickboxer he can totally figure out how to get rid of the kick advantage.

    i wish i could go into more detail, but its too much to explain

  • Well yeah but still kick boxing as a stle is better because if you have two people who are equally trained but one is a kick boxer and the other is regular then the kicking one wins.

  • regular training doesn't mean their level of talent would be the same though. i've trained for several years and am better than some people and worse than some people who've trained for the same amount of time

    don't get me wrong, i agree that the kickboxer would have an advantage, my point is that it doesn't guarantee victory. you also haven't acknowledged my point of the aspect of mental fighting. if a boxer gets inside on the kickboxer, byebye kicking ability and the boxer has better hands

  • probably true for most cases, but Tyson would destroy kickboxers

  • In his curretn state and age no way. Maybe in his prime against a medium guy but against the champs I do not think so. An interestign match none the less.

  • watch how quick he moves on 1 min 58 secs... hes fukin rapid

  • yea i think Shaolin Monk s are prob the best fighters in the world most people just dont think so or just dont no about it. because Shaolin Monk arnt really the type to go on tv or on a movie or sothing to show there skills. like bruce lee most people think he is the best fighter in the world. now im not saying hes not good becausw bruce lee is my favorite righter ever and he is 1 of the best but him vs and master Shaolin Monk i think would be a good match

  • I don't think shaolin monks are able to use their skills for violence like in the ufc but if this guy fought one of the ufc fighters or any other mma fighter he would have no problem on taking them down

  • i want to see someone put him in the ring with anderson silva or fedor emelianenko im not doubting this guys skill just would love to see what would happen...Who knows right

  • It would be a chess match if it was against Silva, but Fedor is too heavy and tall an opponent for this guy. I'm not doubting his skill, but weight classes were made for a reason.

  • I do not underestimate these guys, though. They do some pretty near-superhuman shit. I third that it would be interesting and I'd love to see it, though.

  • The monk is master shi xing hong. He is one of the most skilled fighters to come out of the shaolin temple. I have seen him in person and this dude is one bad mutha. He currently is teaching in hungry and also teaches for special operations forces. If it came down to it this guy would own most anyone.

  • you mean he is teaching in Hungary?

  • i checked that. - yes the guy is in Hungary

  • why'd they put this crap-suck music on here? they should have some kung fu music... awesome vid otherwise

  • In this UNIQUE video, we can note that the Shaolin monk spend less energy to assure his defense.

    Otherwise... its much like a demonstration, we cannot judge the finalty of the combat.

    But... personnaly, I think that the Shaolin monk can have advantage... he moves

  • whats this song called?

  • fuck bone thugs

  • This shaolin monk isnt fighting a kung fu master, he is a Taek Kwon Do master.

  • Shaolin is the best fighting art in the world.

  • obviously the way the monk position his arm is for defense... his opponent is a taekwondo master, so kicks are most deadly. which concludes the stance question, certain style is more effective against certain martial arts. and it is why shaolin is so profound and beyond in martial art. :)

  • hes not a taekwon do master retard hes a karate master... and dont say thers no difference i was in them both, taekwondo sucks ass karates awesome

  • they are both very good at what they do but the monk obviously has a better defense than the taekwondoist so he will look like a better fighter

  • Is this intentionally so blurry?

  • haah that monk could had killed him if that korean guy asked him where his father

  • I wonder what his hand positions are for. They don't really change. Does anyone know?

  • i wish i was a xiaoling monk~~~... Man no 1 would ever try to kill me. lol. Sad it cant

    taught to outsiders and even shown.

  • shaolin kung fu is a lifestyle, not simply something u can learn and use againest normal street defense

  • You're a moron. Xiaolin is only spelled that way for a fucking children's cartoon.

  • ninja this is best iven kungfu

  • I wonder if a ninja can give a shaolin monk some competition. Because it is said, only a ninja can stop a ninja.

  • ninjas are only good at stealth, they prolly could if the Shaolin wasn't paying attention

  • i want to see the rest of the fight.

  • Shaolin monks dont fuck around...

  • and they don't injure or hurt anyone if not nessessary, as we can see in this video. the monk had enough good chances to end the fight and could have done so from the beginning on.

  • yeah you can tell that hes not going all out

  • Haha listen to you idiots trying to downplay the monks skills. Watch the slowmo, his kicks get close enough to graze the other guys shirt. The other guy got every one of his kicks knocked away. The reason the monks are so legendary is because their lives consist of training and conditioning their body. It's less about flashy moves and more about "iron body" and chi controle. I'm pretty sure that monk could destroy any fighter if it was a full contact fight.

  • i believe that monks one of the best fighters in the war... but we can never see a monk in full contact fight...sucks man

  • go agaisnt him them if he sucks that bad lol.

    Put a video up when you do. rejoice

  • i think he's a tae kwon do practitioner, not kung fu. His hands are by his sides and he is only unleashing kicks.

  • well he might be smart enough to know that if he even atampted a punch the monk could thake him down with that mistake.....but IDK

  • his kicks look like tae kwon do kicks.

  • ya honestly they do but......so do most any kicks in any style but im going to go with Nat3skiz and say thats hes taekwando

  • no one......ever.....lands a shot on a shaolin monk. money says that he missed the master on purpose. he could've killed him if he wanted to

  • lo shaolin è sempre er mejo

  • Great fight, gay music.

  • Piss of then wanka, go listen to soulja boy.

  • lol just cuz u dont listen to this doesnt mean u should listen to soulja boy either

  • Lol no i hate soulja boy n love Bone thugs n harmony the other dude said Gay music so i told him to go really listen to the gay music which is Soulja boy, why we even talking about it fuckk lol Bone for life!

  • the shaolin monk would have dicked him

  • was that a mantis dicipline the monk was implementing?

  • no it wasnt

  • that was cool!

  • andyes MA works in fights...iv been in TKD for 5 years and am currently teaching it! i am only 13 yes but i can say with backup that fighting another person skilled in MA is much different than fighting an every day street fight...i can take down people one handed if i hit them right...its pressure points and expecially for these monks...CONDITIONING! if you have seen some of there training wow! it takes REAL dedication and is definately worthy of respect!

  • well...(guy below me)he could whip your ass...hmm??

  • well then fag face. try to fight one and then say something or stfu

  • this vid is Shaolin Kung Fu master (yellow) vs Korean Korea Tae Keun Do top master (white).

  • I did shaolin kung fu for 5 years... not in china, not in shaolin temple.. but i rly interested in ... i was trained by Wushu master original from china... even hes not shaolin monk, if u train with him and see how he beat 100kilograms weight dude with single hand and he could broke it if he want... u would think diferent about them... yeh i am fan of shaolins but i agree thath monk have to be fast to not be catched by some Fedor.. ground game is diferent.. but it doenst mean monk lose

  • Fedor fedor fedor...U say Fedor will kill this litle monk.. i say Fedor would broke his own arm if monk use steel jacket.. but he wont and u know why ? they wont use it to hurt some1.. u wont see them in TV for UFC MMA and any other " real fight " Cos they dont care, they dont interest in some championship of best Fighter... of galaxy or so.. In fact no1 fighter and no have discipline and condition like monks... be sure...

  • Yes there s no " proof" of shaolins " superior " but dont mess shaolin monks with comercial monks... in china u have many schools of wushu.. but also temples... but stil its big diference.. Monks dont fight in UFC MMA etc. why ? they are trained for discipline.. condition and spiritual purity.. martial art is for defence and defend others.. Did u see even comercial monks in TV ? did u see technique steel jacket ? lol show me fedor to stand this...

  • 2kommisar : shaolins focus on many stances styles etc.. u think he would defend himself in this stance againtts fedor ro so ? dude he used this for TKd and why ? cos tkd fighter didnt use any punch as u said.. but monk can easyli control his kicks.. u Know thath shaolin is all over the china ? many styles ? lets called as collection of china arts or so .. u have southern , northen styles... which includes many other styles and stances... dude they train since age of 5 years

  • 2Kommisar : Use brain and ur " online knowlege " about monks... so If u know something about shaolin u woundt act like arogant ingorant freak .. sorry had to say it cos i read ur posts and they are rly funny... just fedor fedor fedor fedor ufc mma etc and ufc again ...

  • lol but wejust have toadmitamonk will kik ur arrssseee

  • History my friends, history has proven that the training the monks do isn't all bad.

    (:

  • dude do u know what this monk would do to say one of the gracy's if they tried a takedown on him? i dont imagine it would go very well... these guys dont fight in mma cuz this is their life not a sport, nd cuz they might KILL someone haha

  • call kommisar a douche all you want, but he's right, sorry karate nerds

  • kommisar and the reason none of them know of that stance is because "NONE OF THEM WERE MONKS" shaolin and other temples have their beliefs and religion they don't show off and teach just anyone. THINK LOSER

  • not everyone carries a gun in their hand dipshit.

  • hahah thats kommisar a "dipshit" ... facts? don't give me that bullshit you know NOTHING about monks and youre making assumptions about them. you said something like "Monks are all average joes that shaved their heads" <---moronic statement...im done with you after your 'facts'...dont act like you know them from your little research online.

  • Supra, you're a total piece of shit and the thing that fuels me in ripping into kung fu fanboys and their ignorant ideas and comments about fighting, martial arts and monks and Bruce Lee. You've done nothing but contradict every point I make and every time I counter you either switch the subject or just repeat what you said, vainly hoping that by saying the same thing twice it will somehow make it true. That is, if you don't ignore my counter all together.

  • You base NONE of your answers on actual facts or tangible proof. I give several very good reasons why Fedor would own Kimbo in a stand-up. What's your response? "No, he wouldn't." You just keep going in a circle.

    What's more, you say I have MY facts wrong about the monks. I ask you for your sources and you give no answer. Monks can fight? This goofy stance works? The little Chinese man would own a pro fighter half a foot taller and at least 50 lbs. heavier? PROOF???

  • You're a fucking cliché. Your actions in this argument have been to either:

    -repeat what you've already said for the dozenth time and then some

    -side step the point or in other words change it

    -ignore it completely

    This is what the typical nuthugger does and the reason why they can NEVER prove their case.

    What's more, it's obvious you have no martial arts background, just like the rest of the nuthuggers. I train so I think I'm more of one to talk about fighting.

  • Lebron dominates because of his size/strength/speed and his finishes. He can dominate without a consistant jumpshot

    Fedor dominates because of his size/strength and what he can do on the ground. he can take away all those fighters strengths once on the ground. but his stand-up skills are not even at the best. kimbo is even better at that area from what ive seen.

  • Name one GOOD fighter he's faced, striker OR grappler.

    ...

    Right. That's 'cause Kimbo hasn't faced anyone good and the best guy he's faced (whom he tried to cheat with via takedowns) beat him fair and square.

    Fedor, on the other hand, has faced Mirko Cro Cop, Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland, Antonio Noguero (spelling?) and more. The guys Kimbo's faced have absolutely HORRIBLE records. What was Bo Cantrell's again? 10-10? No comparison! Anyone can look good when they fight against losers.

  • if anyone thinks chuck liddell can beat kimbo is something wrong lol..first of all kimbo is much bigger and stronger...liddell would be forced to take him to the ground or something there is no way liddell stand-up and knock out kimbo

  • Perhaps you could stick to the subject? I devoted an entire post to how you make a point, I counter it and then you say I'm wrong by making a comment on something not at all related to the post.

    Here's the order of logic:

    YOU: Dominate MMA's are submission fighters.

    ME: (lists off good MMA's who are stand-up or GNP)

    YOU: "Chuck can't beat Kimbo!"

    Hahaha!

  • kommisar read what i've typed i dont wanna repeat myself... i said ALL THOSES FIGTHERS YOU NAMED WOULD LOSE TO FEDOR...but agasint kimbo in a stand-up fight he would have a chance against them ...you can't say kimbo has no chance

  • I wasn't commenting on who would win/lose to Fedor/Kimbo. Once again -- and here I am repeating MYSELF -- YOU SAID ALL DOMINANT MMA'S WERE SUBMISSION/BJJ FIGHTERS. I SAID THAT'S BULLSHIT AND GAVE YOU A LIST OF VERY GOOD, HIGH-LEVEL GUYS WHO DIDN'T COME FROM A SUBMISSION/BJJ BACKGROUND AND WHO USED STRIKES FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR VICTORIES. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FEDOR AND KIMBO. IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR VERY *STUPID, IGNORANT* COMMENT ABOUT DOMINANT MMA'S BEING SUBMISSION FIGHTERS.

  • ok lets go with kobe bryant...There are players that are Better at rebounding than kobe, better shooters than kobe. etc... but kobe has the most complete game. i would beat a million dollars(if i had it) that someone would out shoot kobe in the gym.

  • Alright, since you insist on sticking to the one area of rebounding, if there's a guy in the NBA who's the best rebounder then how do you figure some average joe who works a 9-5 job rather than playing professionally or even collegiately is a better rebounder? Better yet, how do you figure this guy is better if the NBA guy has had way more experience, training, practice and conditioning?

    If someone were really that good at something, they'd do it for a living instead of some average-paying job

  • lol where do you live at? man i live in a area where real talents come and play basketball not no average joes hahaha

  • Are these real talents pro players or even up for the pro draft? If not, then I guess it doesn't really matter, then does it? Because in order to be as good as the pros, one has to train at least CLOSE to the level they do. That's why the pros are good. They aren't born with some magical ability to be instantly good at their sport without effort. They had to train and work for it.

    So fuck your "real talent". They're not better than the top-level pros.

  • depends on how you look at it...there are NBA pros that are good at what they do...not overally talented...im sure there are people that can shoot better than shaq or lebron