Well, I licked a piece of tissue paper and stuck it to that highlight (like a dimple) under the dragon's cheek, from a full side view. Then, I used a ruler to get a fair measure to the last bottom tooth. Then, I compared the mark to the top teeth, and the bottom jaw would close about 3/4ths through the nostril, toward the forward part of the snout. So, if anything there's a very slight, natural/'almost human' under bite.
OK i figured it out. what makes it look like that is the lack of showing the eye on the opposite side of the drawn dragon. if you see that eye it then you know its looking at you. but without it, it now looks more like a side view.
OK i figured it out. what makes it look like that is the lack of showing the eye on the opposite side of the drawn dragon. if you see that eye it then you know its looking at you. but without it, it now looks more like a side view.
most dragons are seen with underbites and people arent used to seeing this much length on the jaw when its this thin. i love your work, its unique in a way
I think the jaw looks fine, here's my reasoning. The upper portion of the snout, including the nostrils and upper teeth is extremely foreshortened being pointed toward the viewer. The long lower jaw swinging down on the natural hinge of the mandible is showing a lot more of the teeth and inside of the mouth. People who aren't very familiar with foreshortening probably overlooked this and thought the upper and lower jaw needed equal measurements forgetting foreshortening. A pretty common mistake.
I belong to the minority you speak of and now I see why the bottom looked so oversized, it actually isnt, but its because the upper jaw looks undersized from that angle, and since the brain automaticly uses the higher point as a reference, the lower jaw seems oversized.
Maybe some people feel that the jaw is oversized because we can see less teeth on the top than on the bottom, which is perfectly normal due to the angle.
And thanks for the 3D model, showing that the bottom teeth aren't perpendicular to the jaw : I first assumed that they were and I felt like the jaw was twisted, now I can see that this is normal too.
It's all a matter of perspective. I noticed the 'oversized' jaw as well, and I wasn't going to comment on it (considering how spectacular the piece was) but am glad to see this very well-worded rebuttal... without saying a word. It really lets you *see* how the mind is fooled. :D
The jaw looks large because people are having a hard time understanding that the top of the mouth(where the nose is located) is sticking out farther-it's purely a depth perception thing & people are failing to recognize that. The length of the lower jaw shows just how long the upper is. It's that simple.
heh, now I'm being supercritical, but the 3D top jaw has elements that convey depth that the 2d lacks, the most obvious being more (and smaller) teeth. The lines on the top of the snout sweeping back to the brow are new, too, for the most part. Still awesome.
Awesome. I didn't question it myself, but being an "artist" myself, I could tell that people would misinterpret the image for being disproportional. It all has to do with angles and points of view~ Anywho, awesome vid, and perfect explanation!
no one should be able to tell you chris if somethings not proportionate or anything you have got to be the greatest artist of all times i love all your work and you inspire me to try harder on my work, youve used pens pencils 3d programs digital art everything you can do it all anyway you want ive whatched all your videos over and over each time i learn something new just wanna say thank you chris for sharing some of your greatest work with the youtube universe
its a dragon. it doesn't exist and therefore has no real proprtions. you could make the jaw 50 times bigger if you wanted. People have never seen a dragon before so how would they really know if they're right or wrong? anyways do you see them painting fantastic illustrations like this? Do they have anything to compare with it? im willing to bet no, so y are the questioning it?
.....Don't wanna cause an arguement, but there has been evidence found that Dragons were once, and possibly could still be alive. From what I've studied, and the people I've talked to....not gonna argue just wanted to throw that out.
@charmed6057 lol well atleast my 2nd part is true. half these people cant even come close to something like this so they shouldnt even be critiquing this let alone arguing with the actual artist.
oh they do exist for sure and there have been reports of humans being killed by them. the komodo dragon that is.i dont beleave dragons actualy even existed. the closest thing that existed to a dragon was dinossaurs. legends comes from ppl seing things that they cant explain therefor they picture it in something that doesnt exist. take it for example the legends of sea mosnters that destroyed ships when it was actualy not visible rocks that did it.
Awesome work! Very talented. If the jaw looks bigger at all (which I don't think it does) it is probably because it is closer to the viewing point and the top jaw is more square on. Just perspective I think. Great job.
I have to say, you make awesome work. While I don't have any thing bad to say about the work, I can see why people view the bottom jaw as disproportional. The problem is not whether it's perfectly proportional in 3d, it's how the eye perceives it. Sometimes the eye will perceive perfectly proportional things as imperfect. The Parthenon is a perfect example of this. The Greeks compensated by adding imperfections in the structure so it appears perfect. Wiki it or something.
i thought about it in the 1st vid but i figured it was the foreshortening of the top jaw that made it look small so i didnt complain it made sense in my mind
Who cares if its bigger? It looks fantastic! And besides, what if the dragon was born with an oversized bottom jaw? Why would you sit there and make fun of it! You'll hurt the dragons feelings!
It looks unusual in the final pic, but that is because of the overall positioning you have chosen, like a trick of the mind we think the lower jaw is very long, but it is actually the correct size.
I have a question for you: how can someone become as good as you? what do I have to do? have you attended any classes? for example to learn how to use the wacom or how to use the program.. please tell me!!!
this vid scares me. i dont know why. maybe because the camera rotates around a completely still dragon with its mouth open and then goes to a nighttime pic of the same dragon flaming. and it's all so QUIET...
*shudder* it's awesome, again, but i should never have watched this at night....
lol, i'm a teenager, and a really weird, nerdy one at that. i guess it's not really SCARY, but when i watched this it was about 1:00 in the morning and i had my back to the entire room i was in, which i don't really like. lol
I wasn't worried about length due to the angle of the mouth, more or less it just looked like the bottom jaw was opened to far, it bugged the crap out of me
Oh my gosh, the 3D version of the dragon looks so freaking epic! WHy cant you become a game artist, oh my gosh, if you had dragons like this in a game im buying it !!!!!!!
i think the tip at the end of the bottom jaw makes it look bigger than it actually is because it sticks out past the teeth, i imagine that part longer than the top jaw even though the part of jaw with teeth is the same.
I did think the jaw was a bit to big as well. It was kind of bugging me until you finished the PS one. After finishing it and refining the details I really don't notice a thing, not even on this one.
IF there really is a proportional problem there, you could fix it by drawing slightly longer front row teeth. The jaw itself certainly looks fine, but the front teeth make it look like the dragon perhaps has an unusually thick lower lip? It can surely have that, not really a problem. So there's indeed not really an issue.
The art is awesome and the proportions seem good to me, but I somewhat understand the comments I think.
Hey there, Im a new subscriber to ur channel and I dont think its got anything to do with the bottom jaw being too big. Somehow youve managed to create an optical illusion, I get told I do that a lot with my pics! So its right but looks odd from that particular perspective. Great work on all ur stuff btw.
I say it do look large. At 0:04 it seems to be more evident. I think its because of the base of the lower jaw is as wide or wider the the base of the upper jaw while the tip of the lower jaw is thiner than the tip of the upper jaw. Most animals I see have their lower jaw wider, as wide or narrower than their upper jaw in its entire length.
Yea, like there are so many scientific anatomy and physiology books on true reconstruction of dragons. More than likely it is the perspective that is throwing who ever off, that is why photographers go through rolls of film to find the best perspective shot. I have done 3D lightwave dragons but only at a distance. Great detail and texture. Keep it up!
I think the reason the bottom jaw looks so big is that, because they are so long, the top one is foreshortened in the picture, but the bottom one isn't, because it's going down, not out.
i can see why they say it's too big, from the angle it's at the top jaw appears smaller than it is but you can see in 3D that the jaws are the same size....
oh awesome stuff man, grats, i wasnt sure, i kept looking and wondering, but i didnt want to criticise a masterpiece, glad u showed all the doubters =)
First off, people are idiots if all they can do is criticize your work and not have a shred of talent themselves. Only the artist should criticize their own work and the rest should respect the effort you put into posting you awesome work.
I hope you will continue making these masterpieces for years to come and I would love to see your 3D one complete and maybe with a possible animation
I definitely agree that talentless "artists" shouldn't give advice. I think it is valid for them to give opinions (for example, "I think the original version/color/concept was better"), but to say things like "You should extend the shoulder because it is out of proportion" by novices is moronic.
However, saying that only the artist should be allowed to criticize their work makes no sense; people grow from constructive criticism. Am I going to give any? No, because he's 30 years ahead of me.
I agree with you. I just feel the only valid criticism would be from someone who has similiar or possibly better skills than Chris's, and I doubt there are many.
Thought I agree this is a very good artist, the fact that only the artist should criticize their own work and the rest should just admire it is ridiculous. How is anyone supposed to get better if they don't listen to what others have to say and only follow what they think is right?
Also, a person may not be the greatest artist, but that doesn't mean they can't see flaws in work.
you dont need to be awesome at art to say "this bit could change for the better!" average ppl can be right in seeing things are eg. disproportional! critisizing doesnt mean ppl dont think that it is a kick ass peice of art either. besides... real artists embrace like coondawgity said.. "constructive critisizm" from everyone.
yes that is true, the set of fresh eyes is always better in seeing the off things that the author usually gets used to in the process, but it is also true that wery often you get critisized for the wrong things by "ppl"s who have no idea how to draw a simple qube, since they have no feel for perspective...
they are not the same dragon so really it proves nothing!!
These are just my thoughts i hope they help people come to their own views.
Having critised this i think it's only fair that i say i think both the painting and 3D image are incredible pieces of art work and i am very much humbled by them.
Although they are not the same source, if they line up from the same perceived angle, and the video seems to work in that regard, then they can be compared. In my opinion this does show that the lower jaw is not over sized.
As for the painted one, i agree with the people that say the jaw looks out of perspective. In my opinion the amount of teeth the painted dragon has on its top jaw is far less than the bottom one which makes it look shorter. The top jaw also has a more box like shape than the bottom one which gives the impresion of it being shorter, the direction of the flame is also slightly off.
Making this video to prove the jaws are the same size is not adequete; even though the dragons look very similar
I think its the angle of the firestream that messes with the perspective. anyway this is a hell of a lot better than anything i could do so i'm not complaining. i liked watching the speedpaint.
I REALLY like both versions of this dragon. Brilliant job working it into 3D.
If you ever finish modeling that dragon for 3D, I'm use Poser. I have a deviantart account with this username. I've wanted to do a battling dragons image for a while yet, but there's only really one quality model, and if I made one, I'd like it to have a unique quality. If you ever finish the model, do you think it'd be possible to rig it for poser and let me know? Thanks. :)
why cant you just accept the painting AS A WHOLE!!!!! " oh, the bottom jaw doesnt fit" SOOOO WHAAAAT!!!!!!! u try drawing that sort of detail in 90 mins!
well, the main thing to realise is that dragons arent real, so despite our own personal or accepted veiws of a dragon, this criticism is in vain. fair enough if he drew a dog with a huge lower jaw, because dogs are real so there would be a basis on which to argue. its like saying god is yellow, he aint real so it dusnt matter. good drawing tho.
even though you think that god or dragons arent real... does't mean you have to say your thoughts to the person who does. and you never know if dragons are or arent real
I think that the reason why people find the original 2D bottom jaw too long is that there are about 14 teeth on the whole length of it. The upper jaw has only about 7 teeth on the same length.
With the tricky perspective the teeth are the only references and with clearly less teeth in the upper jaw it easily looks a tad shorter.
you should draw wolves but not werewolves and at first i thought the jaw was tobig but it sorta fit in as you got further and further into it well done!!
no need to explain "fore-shortening" to these slobs. The problem is the amount of teeth, too few in the original 2-d. Either way 10 fold the art I could produce, nice work.
i hate kids who critique when it really is just knit picking cause they want the attention. You obviously have years of exp. under your belt, and they have youtube watching skills, your a professional that actually gets paid for your talents, they poop in there pants when they sleep. I dont know. hhahahah goodwork.
Consider me your fan from now on man! I just simply love your work... anyway, I was just wondering if you do other textures like hair or something like that, I would reaaaally love if you do a wolf or a tiger (my favorite creatures in the world)... that would be awesome! keep up the really good amazing superb incredible awesome godlike work!!!
Well, I licked a piece of tissue paper and stuck it to that highlight (like a dimple) under the dragon's cheek, from a full side view. Then, I used a ruler to get a fair measure to the last bottom tooth. Then, I compared the mark to the top teeth, and the bottom jaw would close about 3/4ths through the nostril, toward the forward part of the snout. So, if anything there's a very slight, natural/'almost human' under bite.
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i just wanted to say: nice number XD
in any case i think that the bottom jaw is perfect like that and your WIP 3D painting shows clearly that the proportion is good.
nice work! i really like your dragons!
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OK i figured it out. what makes it look like that is the lack of showing the eye on the opposite side of the drawn dragon. if you see that eye it then you know its looking at you. but without it, it now looks more like a side view.
nacyaz 4 months ago
OK i figured it out. what makes it look like that is the lack of showing the eye on the opposite side of the drawn dragon. if you see that eye it then you know its looking at you. but without it, it now looks more like a side view.
nacyaz 4 months ago
the bottom jaw is NOT oversized...........it's just the perspective.........by the way, that is an AMAZING dragon............
Quillyiqian 5 months ago
that explains it... before seeing this i couldn't say it was oversized neither because i was overwhelmed by the details, lightning and 3D effects...
hudtexturez 5 months ago
thumbs up if you are at least a tiny wii bit jeoulous of this guy!
cos im fucking massivly jeoulouse of him.
crangesJ 7 months ago 4
Dear God your talented...
codii33 7 months ago
most dragons are seen with underbites and people arent used to seeing this much length on the jaw when its this thin. i love your work, its unique in a way
MicalSimpson13 8 months ago
Have you ever though of selling your pictures to Wizards of the Coast? I bet you'd get some nice money out of it.
druidofluhn 9 months ago
I think the jaw looks fine, here's my reasoning. The upper portion of the snout, including the nostrils and upper teeth is extremely foreshortened being pointed toward the viewer. The long lower jaw swinging down on the natural hinge of the mandible is showing a lot more of the teeth and inside of the mouth. People who aren't very familiar with foreshortening probably overlooked this and thought the upper and lower jaw needed equal measurements forgetting foreshortening. A pretty common mistake.
lasthavoc 9 months ago 7
I belong to the minority you speak of and now I see why the bottom looked so oversized, it actually isnt, but its because the upper jaw looks undersized from that angle, and since the brain automaticly uses the higher point as a reference, the lower jaw seems oversized.
Roblinify 9 months ago 2
depends on the veiwer,
i think its fine?
neshapup17 10 months ago
What did you use for the 3D?
did you have to re-draw it in every angle?
SidneyFadeArtist 10 months ago
@SidneyFadeArtist Zbrush, probably. And no LOL of course not XD That would be awful...
MithrilSmile 8 months ago
Really, the bottom jaw looks long just because of the angle it's at. I see why you put this up to show that. :)
Icecream0365CPlover 11 months ago
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DragonWarrior743 11 months ago
How did you make this, and how long did it take?
BLinDaTbESt 11 months ago
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FREAKIN' AMAZING
sergioce92 11 months ago
FREAKIN' AMAZING!
sergioce92 11 months ago
for everyone who thinks the jaw is oversized
Oh im sorry, i didn't know you have your own personal dragons to comapre too, what if dragons really were like that? you'd look like assholes :)
blitzfire5 11 months ago 2
Get owned youtube
EYYoshi 11 months ago
Maybe some people feel that the jaw is oversized because we can see less teeth on the top than on the bottom, which is perfectly normal due to the angle.
And thanks for the 3D model, showing that the bottom teeth aren't perpendicular to the jaw : I first assumed that they were and I felt like the jaw was twisted, now I can see that this is normal too.
Perspective's so tricky ^^
Congrats for all the artwork !
supagbx 11 months ago
It's all a matter of perspective. I noticed the 'oversized' jaw as well, and I wasn't going to comment on it (considering how spectacular the piece was) but am glad to see this very well-worded rebuttal... without saying a word. It really lets you *see* how the mind is fooled. :D
kurasusoratobu 11 months ago
I love how this guy doesn't have an argument he just makes a 3-d concept and blows the mofo's straight out of there!
d240786 11 months ago 3
it's not sad that you had to make this video, it's sad that people are stupid. Great artwork buddy.
Fraxxure 11 months ago
haha, i love that you made this vid, i think some people really just can't grasp the concept of perspective, this makes it easier to see for sure! =)
Fashonistah8 11 months ago
bigger?!?!? ive bin trying to make my dragons lower jaw to look EXACTLY like that cause its to small!
doomtroll770 1 year ago
AMAZING !!!! NICE !!!!
luxor4o 1 year ago
Freaking awesome !! Your amazing dude!
luxor4o 1 year ago
This really reminds me of King Ghidorah, minus 2 heads.
squishyblanket 1 year ago
fine, you win. that was what i was thinking about the whole time i watched it but i still think it looks really good.
Itsallover57 1 year ago
The jaw looks large because people are having a hard time understanding that the top of the mouth(where the nose is located) is sticking out farther-it's purely a depth perception thing & people are failing to recognize that. The length of the lower jaw shows just how long the upper is. It's that simple.
Btw, GREAT WORK!
lordcliffton 1 year ago 10
@lordcliffton I totally agree! (Y) i love your artwork cgsbgs!! keep it up ;)
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PatryKMetineX 1 year ago
Well the bottom jaw does look huge, but to be honest, Dragons don't exist, so who says they HAVE to look realistic or proportional anyways.
I like your style very much, though I tried mimicking it and failed...
AKAnanaki 1 year ago
that was a awsome save ^_^
usoutlaw1 1 year ago
how the hell did you make that drawling 3d im flabbergasted
ronniereiff 1 year ago
heh, now I'm being supercritical, but the 3D top jaw has elements that convey depth that the 2d lacks, the most obvious being more (and smaller) teeth. The lines on the top of the snout sweeping back to the brow are new, too, for the most part. Still awesome.
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it`s really good job congratulations!!!
iguanoscopio100 1 year ago
Awesome. I didn't question it myself, but being an "artist" myself, I could tell that people would misinterpret the image for being disproportional. It all has to do with angles and points of view~ Anywho, awesome vid, and perfect explanation!
Tlove816tt 1 year ago
I now see your vision. Thanks.
MirdtheClever 1 year ago
I actually like the jaw, it would look weird to me without it.
Nicro327 1 year ago
how the heck did you do that?.. man, I bet you'd be the BEST spriter in the world!
0thevushi0 1 year ago
@0thevushi0 wat do u mean by ''spriter''?
pokepals78915 1 year ago
@pokepals78915 computer graphics
0thevushi0 1 year ago
no one should be able to tell you chris if somethings not proportionate or anything you have got to be the greatest artist of all times i love all your work and you inspire me to try harder on my work, youve used pens pencils 3d programs digital art everything you can do it all anyway you want ive whatched all your videos over and over each time i learn something new just wanna say thank you chris for sharing some of your greatest work with the youtube universe
earfquakejake 1 year ago
Good luck!
TurboRex100 1 year ago
It's just the perspective. The top part is more level with the view while the bottom is lower. It's not oversized.
Dazraphaze 1 year ago
its a dragon. it doesn't exist and therefore has no real proprtions. you could make the jaw 50 times bigger if you wanted. People have never seen a dragon before so how would they really know if they're right or wrong? anyways do you see them painting fantastic illustrations like this? Do they have anything to compare with it? im willing to bet no, so y are the questioning it?
abl131313 1 year ago
.....Don't wanna cause an arguement, but there has been evidence found that Dragons were once, and possibly could still be alive. From what I've studied, and the people I've talked to....not gonna argue just wanted to throw that out.
charmed6057 1 year ago
@charmed6057 lol well atleast my 2nd part is true. half these people cant even come close to something like this so they shouldnt even be critiquing this let alone arguing with the actual artist.
abl131313 1 year ago
@charmed6057
oh they do exist for sure and there have been reports of humans being killed by them. the komodo dragon that is.i dont beleave dragons actualy even existed. the closest thing that existed to a dragon was dinossaurs. legends comes from ppl seing things that they cant explain therefor they picture it in something that doesnt exist. take it for example the legends of sea mosnters that destroyed ships when it was actualy not visible rocks that did it.
nunocastro313 1 year ago
Awesome work! Very talented. If the jaw looks bigger at all (which I don't think it does) it is probably because it is closer to the viewing point and the top jaw is more square on. Just perspective I think. Great job.
VRCommy 1 year ago
fuck i even got scare jajajajaja, marvelous job
agrid 1 year ago
nice
PjTheAnimator 1 year ago
I have to say, you make awesome work. While I don't have any thing bad to say about the work, I can see why people view the bottom jaw as disproportional. The problem is not whether it's perfectly proportional in 3d, it's how the eye perceives it. Sometimes the eye will perceive perfectly proportional things as imperfect. The Parthenon is a perfect example of this. The Greeks compensated by adding imperfections in the structure so it appears perfect. Wiki it or something.
VenomLSX 1 year ago
Apparently all the people who said it was too big or long didn't have basic visual skills.
IzzySarru 1 year ago
holy crap....how many time did it take?
ada762 1 year ago
u actually made a 3 d texture for ur dragon... crazily talented
prinnybaal1990 1 year ago
looks perfect to me.
MetalJody1990 1 year ago
haters just got owned
DegaGray 1 year ago
I still dont see how it is too big... his upper jaw is comming at you so it seems to look shorter but its not. Its fine.
yojoe05 1 year ago
It always looked fine to me, just a matter of perspective :)
ADEdge 2 years ago 2
i thought about it in the 1st vid but i figured it was the foreshortening of the top jaw that made it look small so i didnt complain it made sense in my mind
animedrummerboy 2 years ago 3
Who cares if its bigger? It looks fantastic! And besides, what if the dragon was born with an oversized bottom jaw? Why would you sit there and make fun of it! You'll hurt the dragons feelings!
Coltranized 2 years ago 140
@Coltranized Or get eaten :P
HeatherpawandLionpaw 1 year ago
@HeatherpawandLionpaw as i always say "Never taunt a dragon, for you are crunchy and good with kethup"
1414Eclipse 1 year ago
@1414Eclipse Nice
JamesChanceBrown100 1 year ago
@Coltranized um no it wouldnt hurt its feelings it would eat u xD hahaha and light u like a cigarette lols
Cloudmon123 1 year ago
@Coltranized and as we all know, one should never hurt a dragons feelings...
pommelcow 1 year ago
@Coltranized that is a good point, but it's jaw is normal sized. it's just the angle.
FlyingZamora 6 months ago
@Coltranized plus, the dragon would eat your face off with the "oversized jaw" ^_^
flyingpuppy13 3 months ago
man i wish there would be suck an amazing animated dragon in a video game
Fesin93 2 years ago 2
It looks unusual in the final pic, but that is because of the overall positioning you have chosen, like a trick of the mind we think the lower jaw is very long, but it is actually the correct size.
kylielan 2 years ago 4
Oh My AGAIN!!
G0LDG0LD 2 years ago
Now that you mention it, it does seem like the bottom jaw is too large. I guess he just has severe underbite...
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skaven93 2 years ago
that was so awesome!!!
but...
this vid scares me. i dont know why. maybe because the camera rotates around a completely still dragon with its mouth open and then goes to a nighttime pic of the same dragon flaming. and it's all so QUIET...
*shudder* it's awesome, again, but i should never have watched this at night....
spyergirl4 2 years ago
@spyergirl4 how old r u.......its not scary
9thehardys13 2 years ago
lol, i'm a teenager, and a really weird, nerdy one at that. i guess it's not really SCARY, but when i watched this it was about 1:00 in the morning and i had my back to the entire room i was in, which i don't really like. lol
spyergirl4 2 years ago
i dont care what anyone else says... thats fucking amazing, i wish i could do something like that. :S
Brutality2007 2 years ago
NICE
THEBEATBOXERS 2 years ago
Holy fuck.
95Barqs1 2 years ago
this guys awesome. he can do whatever he wants
codybystereo 2 years ago 76
@codybystereo he can atleast draw whatever he whants =)
sirspawnalot 1 year ago
Kinda reminds Me Dragon Smog from the cartoon "The Hobbit"
BassX1 2 years ago
I wasn't worried about length due to the angle of the mouth, more or less it just looked like the bottom jaw was opened to far, it bugged the crap out of me
Raydude25 2 years ago 3
Oh my gosh, the 3D version of the dragon looks so freaking epic! WHy cant you become a game artist, oh my gosh, if you had dragons like this in a game im buying it !!!!!!!
legacy1992 2 years ago 2
bell brav strunz
2010lionelmessi 2 years ago
i think the tip at the end of the bottom jaw makes it look bigger than it actually is because it sticks out past the teeth, i imagine that part longer than the top jaw even though the part of jaw with teeth is the same.
Malelovence3 2 years ago
I did think the jaw was a bit to big as well. It was kind of bugging me until you finished the PS one. After finishing it and refining the details I really don't notice a thing, not even on this one.
Dester1435 2 years ago
the PS one got more evil eyes :)
FeroxX 2 years ago
IF there really is a proportional problem there, you could fix it by drawing slightly longer front row teeth. The jaw itself certainly looks fine, but the front teeth make it look like the dragon perhaps has an unusually thick lower lip? It can surely have that, not really a problem. So there's indeed not really an issue.
The art is awesome and the proportions seem good to me, but I somewhat understand the comments I think.
PHeMoX 2 years ago
Hey there, Im a new subscriber to ur channel and I dont think its got anything to do with the bottom jaw being too big. Somehow youve managed to create an optical illusion, I get told I do that a lot with my pics! So its right but looks odd from that particular perspective. Great work on all ur stuff btw.
DarkLittleMaiden 2 years ago
The bottom jaw is a tiny bit long, but not even noticeable until i read the description and saw you pointed it out.
funnykid713 2 years ago
I say it do look large. At 0:04 it seems to be more evident. I think its because of the base of the lower jaw is as wide or wider the the base of the upper jaw while the tip of the lower jaw is thiner than the tip of the upper jaw. Most animals I see have their lower jaw wider, as wide or narrower than their upper jaw in its entire length.
mapflu 2 years ago
srry for my english lol
pusshair 2 years ago
Yea, like there are so many scientific anatomy and physiology books on true reconstruction of dragons. More than likely it is the perspective that is throwing who ever off, that is why photographers go through rolls of film to find the best perspective shot. I have done 3D lightwave dragons but only at a distance. Great detail and texture. Keep it up!
celticdreams1313 2 years ago
how did u make that!?
song442 2 years ago
XD kewl vid
atciitwcat 2 years ago
I think the reason the bottom jaw looks so big is that, because they are so long, the top one is foreshortened in the picture, but the bottom one isn't, because it's going down, not out.
RevyNai 2 years ago
i can see why they say it's too big, from the angle it's at the top jaw appears smaller than it is but you can see in 3D that the jaws are the same size....
KiannarratheDemon666 2 years ago
i think the jaw is perfect
RandomVideoStudio 2 years ago
oh awesome stuff man, grats, i wasnt sure, i kept looking and wondering, but i didnt want to criticise a masterpiece, glad u showed all the doubters =)
MattTheCock92 2 years ago
Well whatever critics say, i think it is awesome!
haggis855 2 years ago 5
awesome!!!1
bakkok2 2 years ago
awesome ∞/5
joshie481 2 years ago
First off, people are idiots if all they can do is criticize your work and not have a shred of talent themselves. Only the artist should criticize their own work and the rest should respect the effort you put into posting you awesome work.
I hope you will continue making these masterpieces for years to come and I would love to see your 3D one complete and maybe with a possible animation
Brammall 2 years ago
I definitely agree that talentless "artists" shouldn't give advice. I think it is valid for them to give opinions (for example, "I think the original version/color/concept was better"), but to say things like "You should extend the shoulder because it is out of proportion" by novices is moronic.
However, saying that only the artist should be allowed to criticize their work makes no sense; people grow from constructive criticism. Am I going to give any? No, because he's 30 years ahead of me.
CoonDawgity 2 years ago
I agree with you. I just feel the only valid criticism would be from someone who has similiar or possibly better skills than Chris's, and I doubt there are many.
Brammall 2 years ago
Thought I agree this is a very good artist, the fact that only the artist should criticize their own work and the rest should just admire it is ridiculous. How is anyone supposed to get better if they don't listen to what others have to say and only follow what they think is right?
Also, a person may not be the greatest artist, but that doesn't mean they can't see flaws in work.
Wolfenheim 2 years ago 2
you dont need to be awesome at art to say "this bit could change for the better!" average ppl can be right in seeing things are eg. disproportional! critisizing doesnt mean ppl dont think that it is a kick ass peice of art either. besides... real artists embrace like coondawgity said.. "constructive critisizm" from everyone.
loopedrope 2 years ago
yes that is true, the set of fresh eyes is always better in seeing the off things that the author usually gets used to in the process, but it is also true that wery often you get critisized for the wrong things by "ppl"s who have no idea how to draw a simple qube, since they have no feel for perspective...
pusshair 2 years ago
oh. that makes sense. i didnt really think anything was wrong with it until i saw this video though.
rakelly94 2 years ago
OHHH.. I GET IT!!!
emocub16 2 years ago
it looks sorta like one of king ghidora's heads
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davecolin871 2 years ago
It's hilarious that people actually think they have the credentials to criticise this sketch.
33hegemon 2 years ago
OMG you are so amaisong!!!!
O.O wish i could make these paintings
horse963 2 years ago
wow nice work im looking forward to seeing the finished product. what programme did you use to make this?
dannyb0y131 2 years ago
they are not the same dragon so really it proves nothing!!
These are just my thoughts i hope they help people come to their own views.
Having critised this i think it's only fair that i say i think both the painting and 3D image are incredible pieces of art work and i am very much humbled by them.
iamjordon 2 years ago
Although they are not the same source, if they line up from the same perceived angle, and the video seems to work in that regard, then they can be compared. In my opinion this does show that the lower jaw is not over sized.
PokenerdAnimator 2 years ago
As for the painted one, i agree with the people that say the jaw looks out of perspective. In my opinion the amount of teeth the painted dragon has on its top jaw is far less than the bottom one which makes it look shorter. The top jaw also has a more box like shape than the bottom one which gives the impresion of it being shorter, the direction of the flame is also slightly off.
Making this video to prove the jaws are the same size is not adequete; even though the dragons look very similar
iamjordon 2 years ago
J'adore!! 1000 fois!!
RachuwSimba 2 years ago
Ha! I knew it was the angle! Way to show 'em.
p.s. your dragons pwn mine xD
ConstanceMoor 2 years ago
thts prety awesome!!
wont4get1992 2 years ago
omg.
I wish i could draw shuch things :P
good job
how long time did it take?
umbhara 2 years ago
If you look at 0:04 it is actually long. and slighty bent a little too much.
pussytaxi 2 years ago
I think its the angle of the firestream that messes with the perspective. anyway this is a hell of a lot better than anything i could do so i'm not complaining. i liked watching the speedpaint.
DemiReticent 2 years ago
hmm i am one that says the bottom jaw seems a bit long.
and after this i can see that it is not but it still LOOKS longer than it should to me.
but of course that's why i am commenting this amazing art and not creating it.
Keep up the awesome work!
theraVen27 2 years ago
Exactly, its called foreshortening ...
People really didn't understand :D
Danza3443 2 years ago
I REALLY like both versions of this dragon. Brilliant job working it into 3D.
If you ever finish modeling that dragon for 3D, I'm use Poser. I have a deviantart account with this username. I've wanted to do a battling dragons image for a while yet, but there's only really one quality model, and if I made one, I'd like it to have a unique quality. If you ever finish the model, do you think it'd be possible to rig it for poser and let me know? Thanks. :)
SixstringMatt 2 years ago
IN YOUR FACES!! all the ignorant people who thought they knew more then this great artist!
raulgomez777 2 years ago 2
I honestly don't think the bottom jaw is undersized. I just think it's the perspective that makes it look like that.
kodyboye1 2 years ago
I agree, when you look at the start of the video, you can see it's a good size, but just the angle you look t it, that makes it look long.
JasdeAceXtreme 2 years ago
what is the sight you use to draw the dragons?
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birdhunting12 2 years ago
I just see the dragon as a crocodile, looks natural to me,
Dash1zzle 2 years ago
Anyone complaining about the jaw doesn't know crap(to be polite) about perspective and depth.
Your work's just awesome, keep at it.
davesykes1966 2 years ago
Nice job! Amazing! I dont see a problem with the bottom jaw at all like some people say. Keep up the good work!
clwnz777 2 years ago
why cant you just accept the painting AS A WHOLE!!!!! " oh, the bottom jaw doesnt fit" SOOOO WHAAAAT!!!!!!! u try drawing that sort of detail in 90 mins!
donaldson893hk 2 years ago
well, the main thing to realise is that dragons arent real, so despite our own personal or accepted veiws of a dragon, this criticism is in vain. fair enough if he drew a dog with a huge lower jaw, because dogs are real so there would be a basis on which to argue. its like saying god is yellow, he aint real so it dusnt matter. good drawing tho.
willyboy555 2 years ago
even though you think that god or dragons arent real... does't mean you have to say your thoughts to the person who does. and you never know if dragons are or arent real
torok2034 2 years ago
Dragons are real. Though fire-breathing seems weird. I don't think fire-breathing dragons have ever existed.
I mean, first they need the high temperature for the gas to burn, then they actually need to have that gas.
If you ask me, that seems weird.
And since there aren't any proof that any god exists, why can't he say that god doesn't exist?
I mean, you offend other people who don't believe in god by saying god exist. Though nobody blames you because of your belief. Stop being selfish.
Werewolf211 2 years ago
I see the point. But since they probably would have evolved like lizards have, their bottom jaws probably wouldn't be oversized.
Though I don't think the bottom jaw is too big.
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Psykterror 2 years ago
You are a real ARTIST!
jenniferhamster 2 years ago 5
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I mean.. anyone who's examined a dragon's bottom jaw up close knows its smaller than that.
tokael 2 years ago
HUH???? and how many dragons have you examined period? let alone their lower jaw.
Ellimnist 2 years ago 6
I can see why they would criticize about the size of the lower jaw because it looks like the top is much smaller from that angle.
However, once the 3-D shows the side view, it look fine.
xcpk 2 years ago
i agreee
Hensult 2 years ago
as do i
nicefella89 2 years ago
*thumbs up*
fooblet 2 years ago
i cant draw dragons especialy the thing that they have all them horns on them they always turn up wrong...xx
animal1lover195 2 years ago
I think that the reason why people find the original 2D bottom jaw too long is that there are about 14 teeth on the whole length of it. The upper jaw has only about 7 teeth on the same length.
With the tricky perspective the teeth are the only references and with clearly less teeth in the upper jaw it easily looks a tad shorter.
marazo 2 years ago
Good job on the modeling. I think the snout is a tough nut. One might imagine it to have a short snout instead of a long one.
Celentor2000 2 years ago
I think the thing that makes the lower jaw seem to big is actually that you captured the image in a very tricky, but still so interesting, angle =)
Love your work and the passion you put into it. Now make those tutorials for us and release the DvD asp ^^
LucidRaver 2 years ago
dude u are insane.. this is madness
the original 2d one was good but this is beast......
Kn110ho 2 years ago
you should draw wolves but not werewolves and at first i thought the jaw was tobig but it sorta fit in as you got further and further into it well done!!
jakniphone 2 years ago
All ur drawings are awsome!!!
mine arent even comparable to urs, how do u get so good???!!?
desorienter 2 years ago
holy fuck! =O
debo326 2 years ago
I think the jaw suits the dragon perfectly. You are, as always, my favorite dragon artist. I tip my hat to you, Chris. =]
BlueAuraWolf 2 years ago 2
no need to explain "fore-shortening" to these slobs. The problem is the amount of teeth, too few in the original 2-d. Either way 10 fold the art I could produce, nice work.
VicCopWatch 2 years ago
It looks pretty good; the jaw may have a slight overbite, but that's how dragons are... not every creature on this planet wears braces. hah.
VladOfArk 2 years ago 2
I STILL LOVE IT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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SatsuSoul 2 years ago
i hate kids who critique when it really is just knit picking cause they want the attention. You obviously have years of exp. under your belt, and they have youtube watching skills, your a professional that actually gets paid for your talents, they poop in there pants when they sleep. I dont know. hhahahah goodwork.
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Consider me your fan from now on man! I just simply love your work... anyway, I was just wondering if you do other textures like hair or something like that, I would reaaaally love if you do a wolf or a tiger (my favorite creatures in the world)... that would be awesome! keep up the really good amazing superb incredible awesome godlike work!!!
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