Obama's weakness on this issue has been why the GOP has been so emboldened.
It's a clear-cut case with precedent. Water-boarding is torture! Torture is against the Geneva convention. The Geneva convention is US law. Therefore the Bush administration broke US laws.
@johnedwards1968 The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorists..... They are military combatants who do not wear the uniform of any nation and purposely target civilians. There fore, under the Rules of the Geneva Convention - the Geneva Convention protections do not apply to them...Perfect example: World War 2 - Germany sent undercover agents to New York to bomb factories; they were turned in by one of the Germans who changed his mind. They were all hung as spies.
@MetalDetroit If Geneva Convention does not apply, they are considered civilians and civilian laws applies. If you do not threat them like civilian criminals you are violating your own laws and should be trialed in court. In your example, USA had death penalty on espionage, so they where correctly punished as civilian criminals. What we see now is politicians that act above the law. This should worry you. Do not allow Washington to print 'get out of jail' cards for themselves.
@AngeCord exeellent attempt - but you are incorrect ! The fact that they do NOT wear a nations uniform - they are NOT civilians they are considered ILLEGAL COMBATANTS under the Geneva Convention. you are PROFOUNDLY INCORRECT !
@MetalDetroit You have obviously poor knowledge about this subject. The term 'illegal combatants' does not exist in the Geneva Convention. Check it up, and come back if you find it.
So if Obama decided to make a "policy" decision to round up millions of Americans and execute them, and set off a nuclear bomb in New York and urinate on the flag, Republicans wouldn't bother prosecuting him because he just had a different policy???
I think when a president steps over the line and imprisons Americans for years without a trial, and executes people without a trial, and tortures prisoners, that's no longer a policy difference.
As an American, I enjoy the freedom to express my opinion. I am always impressed by those that do not hesitate to express their thoughts and promote their opinions.
Karl Rove has always exploited this and has built a career around this liberty.
Is it just me, or did he seem a little bit scared?
We are a worldwide community and accountability doesn't serve just one's personal bias. Others have a say whether you like it or not.
Freedom is not just one's personal opinion. Karl understands.
Well the irony is that what you reference is called "GOVERNMENT CONTROL GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN OUR LIVES". The same concepts the TEA BAGGERS are fussing about. Where were the tea baggers then. lol
"policy difference", His logic is always so flawed, he hopes nobody really pays attention.
And in regards to the torture and the vengence part, what ends up happening is that it spreads like an infection and you get Abu Grab...slippery slope.
YoungTurks .....the people who pulled off 9 11 were not Arabs... u dummy...
study it on yourtube
it was bushshits people
there were tons and tons of bombs planted in the buildings including the last one building #7 which went down late in the afternoon in 7 sec and no plane ever touched it
wake up and see whats going on .. dude you are missing the best parts of the story!!!!!!!!!!!
because she didn't author the memos or instigate the policy. and she didn't use the BAD information to justify starting a costly, illegal and unnecessary war.
I actually watch MSNBC, but not for much longer, the likes of that tribbling fool Chris Matthews and primadonna Keith Olbermann make me sick, where was their criticism after 9-11? but when the dust settles, then you see. As for the twit comment you can reserve that for Nancy, you patethic fool.
you realize you're just buying the "party line" as whole cloth without thinking about it, right? You do realize that, don't you?
If Pelosi was guilty of a crime, I would say prosecute her, because I believe in the RULE OF LAW.
You, on the other hand, wants to say: "Hey, don't prosecute Rove or Cheney because Pelosi did the same thing".
Face it, your loyalty is to a POLITICAL PARTY, not to America. If you don't respect the rule of law, then you hate everything that America stands for, period
Please answer pudgimelon. Ive seen your point being made by all kinds of people, but no one dares to answer back when they get questioned on it. I mean pudgimelons second reply.
Any honest investigation would have to include pelosi and anyone else in a position of oversight, I don't really care who gets caught up in the investigation, there ought to be one
Karl Rove has a big mouth but nothing that he says has been thought through....he's all bluster...no wonder Yoo and Bybee and Addington were afraid of him.
"if there had been a policy difference with the policy of the previous administration...."
Is this piece of shit supposed to be the"brain" ? Obama has a policy difference with the previous administration because that previous policy was criminal....duh ! Jail the bastards.
Go to google images and search "fetuses" or "abortion" or "partial birth abortion" and you will see some of the most horrible torture and crimes against humanity you have ever seen.
You nutjobs like coming down on Christianity but say nothing of the Islamic terrorists that pervert their religion. Nobody follows the doctrines of their religion to a tee. If you want to bash something, try your head.
And I suppose you people are going to get us back on track with that phony stimulus package. Wait until inflation comes. But then again it wont bother you because you are probably one of the millions on the wagon while the few remaining taxpayers pull.
rush,hey ,chenny ,hey ,youy want mean ld bastard ,your the reason why the tailban is back here threaten us ,you and bush lied and said that you defeated the tailbans now thier back ,yeah chenny were unsafe cause you used to be our vice president thats why
Karl Rove loves twisting arguments. He's a master at it. He's defending this twisted view...
"Common Article 3 (of the Geneva Conventions) says that ... 'there will be no outrages upon human dignity. (That's) very vague. What does that mean, 'outrages upon human dignity'? That's a statement that is wide open to interpretation."
If Bush asked a real military advisior what it means, he might have found this out:
"The U.S. Army's own field manual provides a common sense definition that should apply to all U.S. officials: The U.S. government should not use any technique on an enemy prisoner that Americans would not want to see used on a captured U.S. soldier. Common Article 3 is not about our enemies. It's about who we are as a people."
Rove is effectively agreeing that it's OK for our current and FUTURE enemies to use the same torture methods on our troops. This is not a policy difference, these are warcrimes. No twisting facts here Mr. Rove.
The Republicans investigate Clinton for getting a BJ, and Obama wants to investigate the previous Admin for torture. Which charge do you find more morally offensive?
He's already gay (likes little boys), so jail will be somewhat recreational. He'll mysteriously pass away before long anyways. Don't be surprised if he has a mysterious accident, tumor or heart ailment.
I love this!! We have kkkarl rove telling us about what is "American". This is the VERY SAME guy who outed an active CIA Agent during a time our nation was at WAR!!!
What has become evident over the last 3 decades, is as a pre-qualification for high office within the repug party it's members be certified sociopaths.
Obviously rove is not alone in his sociopathology. He's joined by bush, cheney, rumsfeld, delay, newty, and poppy bush, (to name only a few), in this deadly anti-social personality trait.
When a terrorist kills in this country and then says that he has done so because of McBush's torture, will you still be a cheerleader for torture? That day is coming. McBush and the corporate elite have set us on a collision course with the whackiest of the Muslim world. Thanks McBush. Your deeds will continue to kill worldwide for generations.
dayglow, I'm afraid some people just like torture. There are those who enjoy doing it, those who enjoy watching it and those who just like the idea that their country is involved in it. It makes them feel badass.
Either the laws apply to everyone or they apply to no one. If we say it's OK for Bush and his criminal cohorts to torture. I guess we have to let Jeffery Dahmer out of jail. Right? War crimes are war crimes no matter who does it. If they were doing it to you would that be OK? I personally think Bush and his criminal buddies were using torture to get other people to confess to crimes Bush and Co. were guilty of.
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The republican party is shrinking. The latest polls say that just 21% of americans are willing to call themselves republicans. The republicans have just lost one more. Arlen Spector just announced that he will be joining the democratic party. I guess all that's left are the small amount of extremeist and Fox news willing to follow Cheney into hell!
This offense is a public wrong. These people who said they would defend us by violating our principles. They expanded their program to regular civilians by the way the people looked to them.
Their punishment should be just as public as this torture program.
Tjhe problem is there is no way to prove a negative. You can't say torture worked to obtain reliable info because you don't know if they lied or not. Also it has come to light that most of the good intel we got before the waterboarding began when the FBI was in charge. Also as with KSM after i'd say about the first 30 times he was waterboarded the rest obviously were done simply to torture!
What about the fact that some of our soldiers where basically scape goatedAubugraib) for the likes of Cheney and Rove..? I have heard Cheney whine about how poor Scooter didn't get a pardon (even though he never spent a day in jail) but no one seems to care that some of these soldiers are still sitting in jail for simply following orders. I think we need to start a petition and send it to Obama for them to all be pardoned. Hell if the likes of Cheney and Rove,ect. are free why not them?
I agree .. Obama's next move should be to pardon all troops who carried out these illegal orders issued by Gonzalez and his lawyers .. and PROSECUTE Gonzalez, Addleston, Yoo, and the other three Bush crime family lawyers.
If in the process of discovery, they find involvement by Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney .. they too should be PROSECUTED.
before i slap you back there, why you came to america? go back to your sorry asss country bitch, you dont see anyone going to your country! i know it sucks but we dont want your punk ass bitch!
The word today is "coherent". Are you able to say "coherent". I know you can. Many of us need you to be "coherent". By the way, Cenk is an "agnostic". Having said that, we will concentrate on one word at a time. Once again that word is "coherent".
lol, "Allah" is the same God Christians worship. It's the Abrahamic one you and the jews share. If you translate "Allah" from Arabic to English, it means "God."
HAHA YOU WORSHIP ALLAH YOU WORSHIP ALLAH YOU WORSHIP ALLAH
dont use our position in the united nations as a way to brag about our great achievements. its our position on the security council that puts more arms into the world munition trade more than any other country in the entire UN.
Donottake is such a dumb fuck he thinks that it was smart of GWB and Rove and Cheney and Rumsfield and Fox news to lie and get us into a war that cost us 13 billion dollars a month for 6 to 7 yrs and virtually destroyed our economy. And now after only being office 3 mo. donottake wants to try to pin this economy on Obama! No donottake dumbo it was your loser Bush and his criminal pals that did it. He bankrupted 5 co. before he went into polotics you dumb ass!
Hey I just seen Hannity has agreed to be waterboarded for charity. As if if he did it once it would make a point. I say if he does it atleast 83 times and he still has a brain and says it wasn't torture then he can make a point! But I doubt he'll even really do it once. Just like Cheney , Rove and all the other blow hards Hannity never served a day in the armed forces! Maybe though since donottake is so willing to carry their crosses he could substitute or Hannity and the rest of the losers!
FYI donottake has been on this site for days spewing his bullshit and everyday someone finally has to tell everyone else he's a dick head! Seriously he is a loser! I say just don't react to him and he'll probalbly go on to the next site and try to get attention there! This guy is a real right wing nut!
Yeah, you are right and I feel like a fuckin' idiot for communicating with someone like that. I've been warn by several individuals to ignore that idiot...Thanks
donottake.....You are so stupid, just like the GOP is trying to point the finger at Nancy Pelosi in regards to torturing. Like I said Bush and Cheney controlled the CIA and the military and not Pelosi.
donottake...You are the one thats making terrorist threats against President Obama. Not me, I stand by the fact the Bush and Cheney has tarnished the countries creditability. And Karl Rove is a jerk and he's needs to be charged as well.
I have already informed you that I have sought the help of law enforcement agencies to hold you accountable for your actions. It is all up to them now.
donottake......Yes, I called bush a fuckin' idiot as well as Cheney and Karl Rove.
Unlike your comments, which you are making direct threats on Obama's life. Calling for his blood..
My biggest mistake was communicating with your sick ass from the beganning. You never had anything with substance to say, you have nothing but hate comments.
Yes, I'm an fool for even saying something to you sick hateful ass...I'M DONE WITH YOU....BEAT IT
I just cannot believe that this gang was put in charge of the most powerful nation on earth.......Rove, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld etc. Fuck me. Thinking about it now makes me laugh.........these people have made the name of America like mud all over the world. America used to be admired and emulated but Bush and his ilk turned you into a laughing stock.........
The US kidnapping and torturing people in secret prisons for years on end without telling them anything. Fuck me.
Dude, you do know if the Obama Justice Department pursues these charges, Karl Rove would have to face charges. Plus he was forced to testify before Congress on War Crimes, etc...
neither rove or cheney had any strategic military history or war planning. rove's a political marketer, cheney's a 60's draft dodger. i know he ran haliburton but that didn't prepared him to run a war.
they're unfortunately, an indication of the type people the "christian"republican party thinks should run wars. not with intelligence, not in accordance with the geneva convention, but in accordance with the "moral majority's" sense of hate, intolerance, bigotry & just plain stupidity!
I'm glad to see most of the Bush ex-administrators (especially Karl Rove) are now contributors for faux news and are still running their mouths. Which is a huge plus for the Democrats.
Thank you faux news for picking up the Bush trash and making them feel at home. Faux news and Bush ex-administrators go hand and hand
This past week our CEO emailed me and asked me to come up with a list of 25% of our office which we will need to lay off due to the continuing weakening of the economy and the terrible long term outlook due to Obama's pork bills. To be fair, I decided to make note of everyone in the parking lot who had an Obama sticker on their car. Since they care so little for our company and economy to vote for Obama they are the ones I will lay off first.
you're thinking jack is typical of right wing "christian"republicans. you just gotta remember, no one is buying your bullshit except the morons on fox & those who watch it.
it goes without saying idiot, obama's recovery program is a result of 14 yrs of "christian"republican rule. in truth you know that for a fact, i know it, the country knows it and you turd, the world knows it.
now, you fucktard, if you just stopped your lying you might be looked on as having a modicum of a brain...maybe!
jackg1001.....I knew you where the sort of sore loser that would unfairly retaliate against Obama's supporters on the job if you had the chance. So, you're going to make sure that you get all of the Obama supporters fired from work at your job. Why am I not surprised, the typical reaction of the GOP/conservatives and their supporters. If the GOP/conservatives can't win fairly, they are going to play dirty
Now terrorists will be trained to be captured. They get a free ticket into the USA where they can continue with their plots to kill us. Obama is a terrorist himself.
jackg1001...you are really original, Obama was called a terrorist all through his campagining and Obama still kicked ass in the final eletion. It was over at 10 o'clock.
I'm glad idiots are stlll calluing Obama a terrorist. That's why theGOP/conservatives are in exile because they got idiots running around calling Obama names and have nothing new to say. I thank you, the Democrats thank you and President Obama thany you idiots
what do you do copy and paste...you hatered comments for Liberals. I see your same Liberals comments all over YouTube. You never have anything constructive to say or anything with sunstance. Your favorite comment is "hey you scum libs" that's your favorite linehere on YouTube...What a big ass joke.
donottake........I totally agree, that Bush, Cheney and Karl Rove was a huge mistake and tarnish the reputation of the USA. The Bush administration was the worst that this country has ever seen.
No, US president has never had a shoe thrown at his except Bush. I'm waiting to see Rove get hit upside his head with a shoe. Hopefully the shoe will not miss.
donottake....WOW!!! you got balls to make threats against the President.. So, I guess you and your buddies sit around plotting on ways to assassinate President Obama.
donottake...keep talking that crazy shit and hopefully the sercret service will kick your door in at 3 in the mornong.
WAAAHHHH!!! Don't say anything bad about obama!!! BOO HOO HOO!!! I have to protect obama even though he is not qualified to be president!!! BOO HOO HOO!!!!
It used to be that threatening the President was considered treasonous... making assassination threats is not a good idea, my friend. You know the FBI screens Youtube Comments, right...
Did you realize that your ass is currently under surveillance for the comments you made against President Bush? Did you also realize that the excuse "Wasn't everyone doing it?" won't get your ass off?
How is someone (Bush) that went to Yale and made horrible grades because of his constant beer + cocaine cocktails qualified to be president? I don't like Obama either and know that he used to smoke reefer and probably some other stuff. But you have your dick really far up George Bush's ass and hate Obama when Bush was no more qualified than Obama!
How is someone who is an admitted drug abuser and laughs about it, got into Harvard because he is black, eligible for inflated grades because he is black but still won't release his transcripts, sat in a racist anti-American church for 20 years, works as a radical community organizer, gets elected as a senator and does nothing but use the position to run for president, spends our money like a drunken sailor, and goes around the world knocking the US qualified to be president?
Well, as far as drugs, at least he admits it instead of hiding it like Bush. Since when do people get in to colleges because they are black? Especially nice ones. I would think it would be the other way around. I can't argue with the radical and racist church thing. That bothers me too. Bush spent more money than Obama did, no question with this sham of a war so don't talk about money unless you just want to fail. Though Obama did knock the US, he can't make it worse than Bush did!
Give obama credit for admitting to be a drug addict, isn't that wonderful. Your fawning over obama is sick. Where the hell have you been to be so dumb not to understand affirmative action, set-asides, etc. for the benefits of blacks? You are a moron following a cult.
Are you shitting me? How stupid are you as to call me an Obama supporter? I am not fawning over Obama. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries and then Ralph Nader in the presidential elections because all the others are MORONS. My only purpose in telling you this is because I wanted to make the point that Obama and Bush are equally moronic. If you don't believe that, you're too blinded by your precious FOX news.
Bush no more qualified than Obama? What a moronic thing to say, Bush was a successful business man and was a governor. You are really stupid. Stay off the blogs before you embarrass yourself even more.
If by "successful" you mean running the businesses into the ground and then getting bailed out by his daddy, then yea, I suppose he was successful. And he was a governor. Whoa! So was Sarah Palin and that doesn't make her any less stupid and unqualified, does it?
I'd take a community organizer over a retarded governor like Sarah Palin who believes that dinosaurs existed with humans 6000 years ago. But then again, Obama and all the people we were just talking about are, at least on the surface, Christians so we can't really talk too highly of their intelligence.
How stupid I come across? Let me make it perfectly clear. If you believe in fairy tales about an all powerful being living in the sky who, even though he loves us so much, lets countless people die every day, then you are STUPID. Yea, Washington and Jefferson believed in this mumbo-jumbo so they were stupid. But that doesn't mean stupid people in this sense can't be smart in other areas. One instance would be Albert Einstein.
With all respect to your feelings and thoughts... I offer a less hostel perspective
on the very human connection to myth, mystery, fantasy, dreams, rituals, and other things that one could put into the category you call STUPID. People need to envision directions before they can move toward them even something as small as moving across the room is envisioned before we act. People use metaphor to create interest or to give impact to a value or idea such as in the case of teaching .
They may have ascribed the Christianity in some ways but they were not in any way similar to the Christian write of today.
Jefferson wrote his own bible and Franklin had loyalty to his wife and still had many mistresses. Is that what you call a real sense of Christianity? Perhaps it is in which case how dumb is anyone who puts forth Jesus as the messiah and then agrees that torture may feel like justice for a moment, they know it is not in keeping with the concepts offered.
Most of our forefathers (Constitutional authors) were, at best Deists. Washington and Jefferson both wrote of the perversion of the Christian religion.
Bush needed evidence to link Saddam to Al Qaeda, and he used 'enhanced interrogation techniques' designed to produce lies in order to get it. What does this prove? It proves that Bush was not just incompetent, he was willfully & criminally incompetent.
Now we must wait & see if the Dept.of Justice will do its job. Prosecute the bastard and his gang of self-confessed criminals.
Worst administration in the history of the USA. Ever.
Since ancient Roma, republican politicians have been short-sighted representatives of issues and vehement representatives of the filthy- rich. Dont trustem. Julius Caesar got rid of them 2000years ago; theyve been back for a century. And people are now realizing why theyre no good.
Lets finish off the republicans once and for all.
Like Julius Caesar did, when in Roma! Lets grind republican mens faces to the dirt.
The best Christmas gift I could receive this year is the see someone wipe that arrogant smug smile off of Karl Rove face.
Nancy Pelosi didn't control the CIA or the Military. Bush and Cheney controlled the CIA and the military. Yes, Karl Rove played a major role in those torture documents. Karl Rove knew just about everything that Bush and Cheney was doing......PERIOD
No, Mr. Rove, but if somebody in the previous administration committed crimes and did the wrong thing , then we should prosecute them when they broke the law.
Cenk Uyagar Abbuda Buddha click click clack. Why cant this guy have a nice christian name
MaxamillianArturo 4 months ago
Obama's weakness on this issue has been why the GOP has been so emboldened.
It's a clear-cut case with precedent. Water-boarding is torture! Torture is against the Geneva convention. The Geneva convention is US law. Therefore the Bush administration broke US laws.
johnedwards1968 10 months ago
@johnedwards1968 The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorists..... They are military combatants who do not wear the uniform of any nation and purposely target civilians. There fore, under the Rules of the Geneva Convention - the Geneva Convention protections do not apply to them...Perfect example: World War 2 - Germany sent undercover agents to New York to bomb factories; they were turned in by one of the Germans who changed his mind. They were all hung as spies.
MetalDetroit 10 months ago
@MetalDetroit If Geneva Convention does not apply, they are considered civilians and civilian laws applies. If you do not threat them like civilian criminals you are violating your own laws and should be trialed in court. In your example, USA had death penalty on espionage, so they where correctly punished as civilian criminals. What we see now is politicians that act above the law. This should worry you. Do not allow Washington to print 'get out of jail' cards for themselves.
AngeCord 6 months ago
@AngeCord exeellent attempt - but you are incorrect ! The fact that they do NOT wear a nations uniform - they are NOT civilians they are considered ILLEGAL COMBATANTS under the Geneva Convention. you are PROFOUNDLY INCORRECT !
MetalDetroit 6 months ago
@MetalDetroit You have obviously poor knowledge about this subject. The term 'illegal combatants' does not exist in the Geneva Convention. Check it up, and come back if you find it.
AngeCord 6 months ago
God forbid the law should apply to the rich and powerful, not in Amerika baby!
Sonofspam64 1 year ago
So if Obama decided to make a "policy" decision to round up millions of Americans and execute them, and set off a nuclear bomb in New York and urinate on the flag, Republicans wouldn't bother prosecuting him because he just had a different policy???
I think when a president steps over the line and imprisons Americans for years without a trial, and executes people without a trial, and tortures prisoners, that's no longer a policy difference.
ManicEightBall 1 year ago 2
Lol - torture is a "policy difference"... "we didn't torture you, we implemented an innovative policy on you" sounds almost warm and fuzzy
StevenBee2 1 year ago
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yes he's just shaking in his 300 dollar shoes, you fag cenk
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
As an American, I enjoy the freedom to express my opinion. I am always impressed by those that do not hesitate to express their thoughts and promote their opinions.
Karl Rove has always exploited this and has built a career around this liberty.
Is it just me, or did he seem a little bit scared?
We are a worldwide community and accountability doesn't serve just one's personal bias. Others have a say whether you like it or not.
Freedom is not just one's personal opinion. Karl understands.
gravics 2 years ago
"Policy difference"? Get outta here.
Higher taxes vs. lower taxes...that's a policy difference.
Torture, spying on U.S. citizens without warrants, and engineering intelligence to support a war of aggression is not "policy", it's CRIMINAL.
rushindulen 2 years ago 6
Well the irony is that what you reference is called "GOVERNMENT CONTROL GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN OUR LIVES". The same concepts the TEA BAGGERS are fussing about. Where were the tea baggers then. lol
Hazmat347 2 years ago
Great analysis
markvanslam 2 years ago
of the "great satan" haha he went third person
c42reptiod 2 years ago
Yeah, Karl Rove mister nice inclusive politics.
"policy difference", His logic is always so flawed, he hopes nobody really pays attention.
And in regards to the torture and the vengence part, what ends up happening is that it spreads like an infection and you get Abu Grab...slippery slope.
jcfractal 2 years ago 12
YoungTurks .....the people who pulled off 9 11 were not Arabs... u dummy...
study it on yourtube
it was bushshits people
there were tons and tons of bombs planted in the buildings including the last one building #7 which went down late in the afternoon in 7 sec and no plane ever touched it
wake up and see whats going on .. dude you are missing the best parts of the story!!!!!!!!!!!
ayakiawe 2 years ago
They are dummies for not believing that. I mean you may be right, but youngturks arent dumb
markvanslam 2 years ago
Wow, way to blow things out of proportion rove.
ExtremeAvalanche 2 years ago
Al-queda plan 9/11 ??? Then why was mossad agents arrested on 9/11? like the two who blew up tower 6? OR THE ONES on the Washington bridge ...Geees
turk get a cllllluuuueeeee
billy040555 2 years ago
If israel did it, it must have been legal.
oldjoe5 2 years ago 3
The question now is, is Nancy Pelosi scared about Possible Torture Prosecutions? The Young Turks, why not do a segment on that you patethic fool.
john30yt 2 years ago
because she didn't author the memos or instigate the policy. and she didn't use the BAD information to justify starting a costly, illegal and unnecessary war.
go back to fox and eat more propaganda, you twit
pudgimelon 2 years ago
I actually watch MSNBC, but not for much longer, the likes of that tribbling fool Chris Matthews and primadonna Keith Olbermann make me sick, where was their criticism after 9-11? but when the dust settles, then you see. As for the twit comment you can reserve that for Nancy, you patethic fool.
john30yt 2 years ago
you realize you're just buying the "party line" as whole cloth without thinking about it, right? You do realize that, don't you?
If Pelosi was guilty of a crime, I would say prosecute her, because I believe in the RULE OF LAW.
You, on the other hand, wants to say: "Hey, don't prosecute Rove or Cheney because Pelosi did the same thing".
Face it, your loyalty is to a POLITICAL PARTY, not to America. If you don't respect the rule of law, then you hate everything that America stands for, period
pudgimelon 2 years ago 2
Great point! Im actually quite tired of the pelosi one being made, and everytime they do, they never reply back when they get the question you said.
And btw they dont realise it, its the liiibs that are biased and they got us know since pelosi isent nr 1 on the list.
kefkahkefkah 2 years ago
Please answer pudgimelon. Ive seen your point being made by all kinds of people, but no one dares to answer back when they get questioned on it. I mean pudgimelons second reply.
kefkahkefkah 2 years ago
Any honest investigation would have to include pelosi and anyone else in a position of oversight, I don't really care who gets caught up in the investigation, there ought to be one
TheJohnnymac81 2 years ago
New prisoner abuse photos have leaked:
telegraph(dot)co(dot)uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/5330481/New-outrage-over-Iraq-prison-abuse-photographs(dot)htm
Eliminate ALL spaces & replace ALL (dot) with .
SubmarinerAndroid 2 years ago
Karl Rove has a big mouth but nothing that he says has been thought through....he's all bluster...no wonder Yoo and Bybee and Addington were afraid of him.
rickT5555 2 years ago
"if there had been a policy difference with the policy of the previous administration...."
Is this piece of shit supposed to be the"brain" ? Obama has a policy difference with the previous administration because that previous policy was criminal....duh ! Jail the bastards.
rickT5555 2 years ago 2
what the f is he bitching about? Mirrored sunglasses.......the way they do things in Chicago ? Who the F does this asshole think he is ?
rickT5555 2 years ago
he had rocky and bullwinkle in the limo. so he just says the first shit on his mind, it strikes me as quite racist though.
rockgroin0001 2 years ago
Hey Karl, I think your rock is calling you.... Just want to know,
how does an a__hole like you keep getting on TV? You need
a middle name - how about FGW (FetusGoneWrong)
freedpatriot 2 years ago
Go to google images and search "fetuses" or "abortion" or "partial birth abortion" and you will see some of the most horrible torture and crimes against humanity you have ever seen.
ejj98765 2 years ago
ejj98765: Get off your mustang Sally and stick to the issue : USA had an official POLICY to torture.
rickT5555 2 years ago
what a sleezeball
bfayer 2 years ago 4
Rove is a criminal. Prosecute him.
Silberdachs 2 years ago 22
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
For your strength of character, presence, and logic.
Thank you for mentioning the investigation of the Christmas card list, that was really special.
Oh but you forgot to mention how there are millions of dollars being spent as we speak about Obama's birth certificate.
laurasIs2c 2 years ago
You nutjobs like coming down on Christianity but say nothing of the Islamic terrorists that pervert their religion. Nobody follows the doctrines of their religion to a tee. If you want to bash something, try your head.
cammbs123 2 years ago
This guy Young Turk is a real dumbass.. He tries to come off as intelligent but looks like a bed wetter to me. Wah Wah Wah
cammbs123 2 years ago
It is the mentality of people like cammbs123 that has derailed this country. It is obvious who the dumbass is. You would have made a great NAZI
hdhighway 2 years ago
And I suppose you people are going to get us back on track with that phony stimulus package. Wait until inflation comes. But then again it wont bother you because you are probably one of the millions on the wagon while the few remaining taxpayers pull.
cammbs123 2 years ago
rush,hey ,chenny ,hey ,youy want mean ld bastard ,your the reason why the tailban is back here threaten us ,you and bush lied and said that you defeated the tailbans now thier back ,yeah chenny were unsafe cause you used to be our vice president thats why
justicecheck 2 years ago
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gavinpj 2 years ago
Time either exposes us or promotes us. Funny how that works.
californiaquake86 2 years ago
BREAKING NEWS*********
Today Dick Cheney suggested moving the detainees to a Mexican pig farm
dkkght46 2 years ago
Well dont break the law you bald prick....
stuartjamesgemmell 2 years ago
I find it amazing that the news media even talks to Karl Rove.
This criminal asshole belongs in prison.
ksamsel01 2 years ago 3
Karl Rove loves twisting arguments. He's a master at it. He's defending this twisted view...
"Common Article 3 (of the Geneva Conventions) says that ... 'there will be no outrages upon human dignity. (That's) very vague. What does that mean, 'outrages upon human dignity'? That's a statement that is wide open to interpretation."
-- President Bush, Sept. 2006.
(con't)
StefanSteinerWA 2 years ago
(con't)
If Bush asked a real military advisior what it means, he might have found this out:
"The U.S. Army's own field manual provides a common sense definition that should apply to all U.S. officials: The U.S. government should not use any technique on an enemy prisoner that Americans would not want to see used on a captured U.S. soldier. Common Article 3 is not about our enemies. It's about who we are as a people."
-- Human Rights First
StefanSteinerWA 2 years ago
Rove is effectively agreeing that it's OK for our current and FUTURE enemies to use the same torture methods on our troops. This is not a policy difference, these are warcrimes. No twisting facts here Mr. Rove.
StefanSteinerWA 2 years ago 2
No cenk but they are afraid when they stick it in the Glory hole that you will be on the other side....As so often you are.
jsh78mang 2 years ago
The Republicans investigate Clinton for getting a BJ, and Obama wants to investigate the previous Admin for torture. Which charge do you find more morally offensive?
Crazygeneral 2 years ago
i would like to see his fuck face ass in jail
memorex9998887 2 years ago
He's already gay (likes little boys), so jail will be somewhat recreational. He'll mysteriously pass away before long anyways. Don't be surprised if he has a mysterious accident, tumor or heart ailment.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
rove=porky pig ?
joe666rufus 2 years ago
I love this!! We have kkkarl rove telling us about what is "American". This is the VERY SAME guy who outed an active CIA Agent during a time our nation was at WAR!!!
Why does ANYONE even listen to the traitor, rove?
theseeker88 2 years ago 3
Rove is a sociopath. Unfortunately, in some circles, that's a ticket to success.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
What has become evident over the last 3 decades, is as a pre-qualification for high office within the repug party it's members be certified sociopaths.
Obviously rove is not alone in his sociopathology. He's joined by bush, cheney, rumsfeld, delay, newty, and poppy bush, (to name only a few), in this deadly anti-social personality trait.
theseeker88 2 years ago
"Karl Rove and others are watering at the mouth over torture prosecutions. That would be political suicide for democrats."
It might also see Rove on trial. So I don't think he's watering at the mouth for anything.
GeneralBolas 2 years ago
When a terrorist kills in this country and then says that he has done so because of McBush's torture, will you still be a cheerleader for torture? That day is coming. McBush and the corporate elite have set us on a collision course with the whackiest of the Muslim world. Thanks McBush. Your deeds will continue to kill worldwide for generations.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
dayglow, I'm afraid some people just like torture. There are those who enjoy doing it, those who enjoy watching it and those who just like the idea that their country is involved in it. It makes them feel badass.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
Karl Roves head looks like an hard-boiled egg.
1NCEAGN 2 years ago 2
Either the laws apply to everyone or they apply to no one. If we say it's OK for Bush and his criminal cohorts to torture. I guess we have to let Jeffery Dahmer out of jail. Right? War crimes are war crimes no matter who does it. If they were doing it to you would that be OK? I personally think Bush and his criminal buddies were using torture to get other people to confess to crimes Bush and Co. were guilty of.
ultraflem 2 years ago
Karl Rove and others are watering at the mouth over torture prosecutions. That would be political suicide for democrats.
My God! We just got our 60 vote majority; let's not fuck it up. We have through history excelled at fucking up with dead issues.
Can't we just remain winners for a little while before imploding?
toldyousohaha 2 years ago
Rove deserves his day in court.
JuanVoyce 2 years ago 3
Then off to the gallows for the lot of them. Followed by a planet wide party. I suggest putting all street lights on strobe.
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steelercountry13 2 years ago
The republican party is shrinking. The latest polls say that just 21% of americans are willing to call themselves republicans. The republicans have just lost one more. Arlen Spector just announced that he will be joining the democratic party. I guess all that's left are the small amount of extremeist and Fox news willing to follow Cheney into hell!
plumbweis 2 years ago
This offense is a public wrong. These people who said they would defend us by violating our principles. They expanded their program to regular civilians by the way the people looked to them.
Their punishment should be just as public as this torture program.
GennaSt 2 years ago 2
Tjhe problem is there is no way to prove a negative. You can't say torture worked to obtain reliable info because you don't know if they lied or not. Also it has come to light that most of the good intel we got before the waterboarding began when the FBI was in charge. Also as with KSM after i'd say about the first 30 times he was waterboarded the rest obviously were done simply to torture!
plumbweis 2 years ago
God how I wish Karma would give Rove precisely what he deserves.
megamarsvin 2 years ago
Torturing people is not a "policy dissagreement".
dlhitch2007 2 years ago
Good one.
MattyJames25 2 years ago
The sooner Rove, Cheney, Rice, and Powell are in jail the better.
Savior20061 2 years ago 4
What about the fact that some of our soldiers where basically scape goatedAubugraib) for the likes of Cheney and Rove..? I have heard Cheney whine about how poor Scooter didn't get a pardon (even though he never spent a day in jail) but no one seems to care that some of these soldiers are still sitting in jail for simply following orders. I think we need to start a petition and send it to Obama for them to all be pardoned. Hell if the likes of Cheney and Rove,ect. are free why not them?
plumbweis 2 years ago 2
plumbweis,
I agree .. Obama's next move should be to pardon all troops who carried out these illegal orders issued by Gonzalez and his lawyers .. and PROSECUTE Gonzalez, Addleston, Yoo, and the other three Bush crime family lawyers.
If in the process of discovery, they find involvement by Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney .. they too should be PROSECUTED.
milkgodnl 2 years ago
following "orders" is no excuse..just ask the sods who where tried at Nurenburg in 1946..
the men at the top gave the orders to torture P.o.W's and that is against the law of the USA AND the Geneva convention!
and these sods knew IT!
yes the men and women who abused these prioners should have gone to jail,BUT the sods at the top who gave the ORDERS are as gulity as them!
but these sods will never come to trial!
grahamkeithtodd 2 years ago
i CANT WAIT for this guy to go to JAIL!!!!!!
islakid 2 years ago 3
Rove probably works for SPECTRE.
AverageAdam 2 years ago
skirbyr, dude come on, you are a douche.
CptFilth 2 years ago
hopefully obama puts a whip on all those crackas lol
mbombz 2 years ago
before i slap you back there, why you came to america? go back to your sorry asss country bitch, you dont see anyone going to your country! i know it sucks but we dont want your punk ass bitch!
skirbyr 2 years ago
He isn't actually Turkish. He has Turkish heritage.
Besides that, you're not American, you're Texan. Right?
mrgreyshadow 2 years ago 4
agnostic, thats worse than being muslim, wont believe in any power higher than himself! coward why dont you go back to turkey you bitch ass mother
skirbyr 2 years ago
Why should he?
Savior20061 2 years ago
No, its more intelligent than being a muslim. The only more intelligent thing to do would be becoming a full-blown atheist. There is no god.
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
fuck obama he is the one who should be tried for what hes doing, oh ya fuck you youg turk, and fuck allah! boy
skirbyr 2 years ago
The word today is "coherent". Are you able to say "coherent". I know you can. Many of us need you to be "coherent". By the way, Cenk is an "agnostic". Having said that, we will concentrate on one word at a time. Once again that word is "coherent".
dinobrya 2 years ago 2
Man your brain is a wasteland... Being it must be awful. :*(
Vajra13 2 years ago
lol, "Allah" is the same God Christians worship. It's the Abrahamic one you and the jews share. If you translate "Allah" from Arabic to English, it means "God."
HAHA YOU WORSHIP ALLAH YOU WORSHIP ALLAH YOU WORSHIP ALLAH
mrgreyshadow 2 years ago 2
dont use our position in the united nations as a way to brag about our great achievements. its our position on the security council that puts more arms into the world munition trade more than any other country in the entire UN.
The UN is nothing but our global gun shop.
oldhacks 2 years ago
Hey-donottake has moved on to berait ppl on the If torture works site!
plumbweis 2 years ago
You are right after seeing more of donottake comments, he definitely needs to go take his meds
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
Donottake is such a dumb fuck he thinks that it was smart of GWB and Rove and Cheney and Rumsfield and Fox news to lie and get us into a war that cost us 13 billion dollars a month for 6 to 7 yrs and virtually destroyed our economy. And now after only being office 3 mo. donottake wants to try to pin this economy on Obama! No donottake dumbo it was your loser Bush and his criminal pals that did it. He bankrupted 5 co. before he went into polotics you dumb ass!
plumbweis 2 years ago
Hey I just seen Hannity has agreed to be waterboarded for charity. As if if he did it once it would make a point. I say if he does it atleast 83 times and he still has a brain and says it wasn't torture then he can make a point! But I doubt he'll even really do it once. Just like Cheney , Rove and all the other blow hards Hannity never served a day in the armed forces! Maybe though since donottake is so willing to carry their crosses he could substitute or Hannity and the rest of the losers!
plumbweis 2 years ago
FYI donottake has been on this site for days spewing his bullshit and everyday someone finally has to tell everyone else he's a dick head! Seriously he is a loser! I say just don't react to him and he'll probalbly go on to the next site and try to get attention there! This guy is a real right wing nut!
plumbweis 2 years ago
Yeah, you are right and I feel like a fuckin' idiot for communicating with someone like that. I've been warn by several individuals to ignore that idiot...Thanks
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
donottake.....You are so stupid, just like the GOP is trying to point the finger at Nancy Pelosi in regards to torturing. Like I said Bush and Cheney controlled the CIA and the military and not Pelosi.
donottake...You are the one thats making terrorist threats against President Obama. Not me, I stand by the fact the Bush and Cheney has tarnished the countries creditability. And Karl Rove is a jerk and he's needs to be charged as well.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
You have really been piling up the charges against you. If they offer you a 20 year plea then take it, in your case it will be a hell of a deal.
donottake 2 years ago 2
Would you please go in peace and seek some help.......I"M DONE COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR SICK ASS
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
I have already informed you that I have sought the help of law enforcement agencies to hold you accountable for your actions. It is all up to them now.
donottake 2 years ago
donottake......Yes, I called bush a fuckin' idiot as well as Cheney and Karl Rove.
Unlike your comments, which you are making direct threats on Obama's life. Calling for his blood..
My biggest mistake was communicating with your sick ass from the beganning. You never had anything with substance to say, you have nothing but hate comments.
Yes, I'm an fool for even saying something to you sick hateful ass...I'M DONE WITH YOU....BEAT IT
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
I just cannot believe that this gang was put in charge of the most powerful nation on earth.......Rove, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld etc. Fuck me. Thinking about it now makes me laugh.........these people have made the name of America like mud all over the world. America used to be admired and emulated but Bush and his ilk turned you into a laughing stock.........
The US kidnapping and torturing people in secret prisons for years on end without telling them anything. Fuck me.
19996669991 2 years ago 2
Karl Rove: Thank you for your service to our nation. You are a true patriot.
donottake 2 years ago
i hope that was a joke...
DameDiabolique 2 years ago
Obamaniacs live on hope.
donottake 2 years ago
Dude, you do know if the Obama Justice Department pursues these charges, Karl Rove would have to face charges. Plus he was forced to testify before Congress on War Crimes, etc...
DameDiabolique 2 years ago
Karl Rove is a great man and you are acting like a fool.
donottake 2 years ago
neither rove or cheney had any strategic military history or war planning. rove's a political marketer, cheney's a 60's draft dodger. i know he ran haliburton but that didn't prepared him to run a war.
they're unfortunately, an indication of the type people the "christian"republican party thinks should run wars. not with intelligence, not in accordance with the geneva convention, but in accordance with the "moral majority's" sense of hate, intolerance, bigotry & just plain stupidity!
wntoply6 2 years ago
how are terrorists going to be trained to be captured? We no longer torture so those bush memos are useless to terrorists. Those memos are old.
bsseidel 2 years ago
I'm glad to see most of the Bush ex-administrators (especially Karl Rove) are now contributors for faux news and are still running their mouths. Which is a huge plus for the Democrats.
Thank you faux news for picking up the Bush trash and making them feel at home. Faux news and Bush ex-administrators go hand and hand
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago 2
This past week our CEO emailed me and asked me to come up with a list of 25% of our office which we will need to lay off due to the continuing weakening of the economy and the terrible long term outlook due to Obama's pork bills. To be fair, I decided to make note of everyone in the parking lot who had an Obama sticker on their car. Since they care so little for our company and economy to vote for Obama they are the ones I will lay off first.
jackg1001 2 years ago
First, I doubt the veracity of your story. Second, if this was even true, then you don't believe in political liberty, and are an unamerican Dbag.
icancount2one 2 years ago
you're thinking jack is typical of right wing "christian"republicans. you just gotta remember, no one is buying your bullshit except the morons on fox & those who watch it.
it goes without saying idiot, obama's recovery program is a result of 14 yrs of "christian"republican rule. in truth you know that for a fact, i know it, the country knows it and you turd, the world knows it.
now, you fucktard, if you just stopped your lying you might be looked on as having a modicum of a brain...maybe!
wntoply6 2 years ago
jackg1001.....I knew you where the sort of sore loser that would unfairly retaliate against Obama's supporters on the job if you had the chance. So, you're going to make sure that you get all of the Obama supporters fired from work at your job. Why am I not surprised, the typical reaction of the GOP/conservatives and their supporters. If the GOP/conservatives can't win fairly, they are going to play dirty
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
Now terrorists will be trained to be captured. They get a free ticket into the USA where they can continue with their plots to kill us. Obama is a terrorist himself.
jackg1001 2 years ago
You sir are an idiot.
Tainted0Pker 2 years ago
jackg1001...you are really original, Obama was called a terrorist all through his campagining and Obama still kicked ass in the final eletion. It was over at 10 o'clock.
I'm glad idiots are stlll calluing Obama a terrorist. That's why theGOP/conservatives are in exile because they got idiots running around calling Obama names and have nothing new to say. I thank you, the Democrats thank you and President Obama thany you idiots
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
Hi Lib Torturers. Thanks to you we are all being tortured by obama for 4 years.
donottake 2 years ago
you must be retarted!!
mbombz 2 years ago
You are retarded!!!
donottake 2 years ago
im sure you are joking
Axl207 2 years ago
donotta
what do you do copy and paste...you hatered comments for Liberals. I see your same Liberals comments all over YouTube. You never have anything constructive to say or anything with sunstance. Your favorite comment is "hey you scum libs" that's your favorite linehere on YouTube...What a big ass joke.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America
donottake 2 years ago
donottake........I totally agree, that Bush, Cheney and Karl Rove was a huge mistake and tarnish the reputation of the USA. The Bush administration was the worst that this country has ever seen.
No, US president has never had a shoe thrown at his except Bush. I'm waiting to see Rove get hit upside his head with a shoe. Hopefully the shoe will not miss.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago 3
They will throw a large knife at obama but obama is dumb enough to think that it is a bouquet. What a bloody mess that will be.
donottake 2 years ago
donottake....WOW!!! you got balls to make threats against the President.. So, I guess you and your buddies sit around plotting on ways to assassinate President Obama.
donottake...keep talking that crazy shit and hopefully the sercret service will kick your door in at 3 in the mornong.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
WAAAHHHH!!! Don't say anything bad about obama!!! BOO HOO HOO!!! I have to protect obama even though he is not qualified to be president!!! BOO HOO HOO!!!!
donottake 2 years ago
It used to be that threatening the President was considered treasonous... making assassination threats is not a good idea, my friend. You know the FBI screens Youtube Comments, right...
DameDiabolique 2 years ago
Did you realize that your ass is currently under surveillance for the comments you made against President Bush? Did you also realize that the excuse "Wasn't everyone doing it?" won't get your ass off?
donottake 2 years ago
donottake......all the secret service has to do is track your user name and they'll see how many threats that you have made against President Obama.
Although I didn't like Bush as President and yes he was an idiot as a president. That's not a threat, that's fact.
donottake......It's okay if you want to call President Obama a piece of shit. But talking about inflicting bodily harm is a totally different issue.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
Asshole, you just insulted and threatened the President of the United States. I have alerted law enforcement agencies to this and your comments.
donottake 2 years ago
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UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
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donottake......you are a fuckin' idiot......go in peace....better yet go seek some help....I'm done with your stupid ass comments.
I called Bush an idiot, which is a insult
In your comment(s) you are calling for Obama' blood, that's a threat on Obama's life.
Like I said I've seen a lot of yout threats against Obama on YouTube.
BTW....please contact the sercret service,it's not me that they are concerned with, it's you.
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
How is someone (Bush) that went to Yale and made horrible grades because of his constant beer + cocaine cocktails qualified to be president? I don't like Obama either and know that he used to smoke reefer and probably some other stuff. But you have your dick really far up George Bush's ass and hate Obama when Bush was no more qualified than Obama!
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
How is someone who is an admitted drug abuser and laughs about it, got into Harvard because he is black, eligible for inflated grades because he is black but still won't release his transcripts, sat in a racist anti-American church for 20 years, works as a radical community organizer, gets elected as a senator and does nothing but use the position to run for president, spends our money like a drunken sailor, and goes around the world knocking the US qualified to be president?
donottake 2 years ago
Well, as far as drugs, at least he admits it instead of hiding it like Bush. Since when do people get in to colleges because they are black? Especially nice ones. I would think it would be the other way around. I can't argue with the radical and racist church thing. That bothers me too. Bush spent more money than Obama did, no question with this sham of a war so don't talk about money unless you just want to fail. Though Obama did knock the US, he can't make it worse than Bush did!
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
Give obama credit for admitting to be a drug addict, isn't that wonderful. Your fawning over obama is sick. Where the hell have you been to be so dumb not to understand affirmative action, set-asides, etc. for the benefits of blacks? You are a moron following a cult.
donottake 2 years ago
Are you shitting me? How stupid are you as to call me an Obama supporter? I am not fawning over Obama. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries and then Ralph Nader in the presidential elections because all the others are MORONS. My only purpose in telling you this is because I wanted to make the point that Obama and Bush are equally moronic. If you don't believe that, you're too blinded by your precious FOX news.
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
Bush no more qualified than Obama? What a moronic thing to say, Bush was a successful business man and was a governor. You are really stupid. Stay off the blogs before you embarrass yourself even more.
cammbs123 2 years ago
If by "successful" you mean running the businesses into the ground and then getting bailed out by his daddy, then yea, I suppose he was successful. And he was a governor. Whoa! So was Sarah Palin and that doesn't make her any less stupid and unqualified, does it?
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
You corner the market on stupidity. Give me a governor of any state over a community organizer any day. Dumbass.
cammbs123 2 years ago
I'd take a community organizer over a retarded governor like Sarah Palin who believes that dinosaurs existed with humans 6000 years ago. But then again, Obama and all the people we were just talking about are, at least on the surface, Christians so we can't really talk too highly of their intelligence.
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
Do you know how stupid you come across. Our forefathers were christian. Unless you have something against Washington and Jefferson.
cammbs123 2 years ago
Try googling the Jefferson bible ...
michelleandwill 2 years ago
Whats you point?
cammbs123 2 years ago
How stupid I come across? Let me make it perfectly clear. If you believe in fairy tales about an all powerful being living in the sky who, even though he loves us so much, lets countless people die every day, then you are STUPID. Yea, Washington and Jefferson believed in this mumbo-jumbo so they were stupid. But that doesn't mean stupid people in this sense can't be smart in other areas. One instance would be Albert Einstein.
MahDeerHunter 2 years ago
With all respect to your feelings and thoughts... I offer a less hostel perspective
on the very human connection to myth, mystery, fantasy, dreams, rituals, and other things that one could put into the category you call STUPID. People need to envision directions before they can move toward them even something as small as moving across the room is envisioned before we act. People use metaphor to create interest or to give impact to a value or idea such as in the case of teaching .
laurasIs2c 2 years ago
They may have ascribed the Christianity in some ways but they were not in any way similar to the Christian write of today.
Jefferson wrote his own bible and Franklin had loyalty to his wife and still had many mistresses. Is that what you call a real sense of Christianity? Perhaps it is in which case how dumb is anyone who puts forth Jesus as the messiah and then agrees that torture may feel like justice for a moment, they know it is not in keeping with the concepts offered.
laurasIs2c 2 years ago
Most of our forefathers (Constitutional authors) were, at best Deists. Washington and Jefferson both wrote of the perversion of the Christian religion.
24framesprogressive 2 years ago 2
Your sorry ass is being investigated due to the comments you made about President Bush. You sorry piece of crap.
donottake 2 years ago
Ex-president.
Englishdosser86 2 years ago
Lets not encourage the trolling...
DameDiabolique 2 years ago
You're right....some people need help and they should spend more time seeing a therapist rathe than spending their time on YouTube
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago
Bush needed evidence to link Saddam to Al Qaeda, and he used 'enhanced interrogation techniques' designed to produce lies in order to get it. What does this prove? It proves that Bush was not just incompetent, he was willfully & criminally incompetent.
Now we must wait & see if the Dept.of Justice will do its job. Prosecute the bastard and his gang of self-confessed criminals.
Worst administration in the history of the USA. Ever.
Silberdachs 2 years ago
Brothers-ComradesCompadres!
Since ancient Roma, republican politicians have been short-sighted representatives of issues and vehement representatives of the filthy- rich. Dont trustem. Julius Caesar got rid of them 2000years ago; theyve been back for a century. And people are now realizing why theyre no good.
Lets finish off the republicans once and for all.
Like Julius Caesar did, when in Roma! Lets grind republican mens faces to the dirt.
Or like a Texan, hangem high!
renesaso454 2 years ago
The best Christmas gift I could receive this year is the see someone wipe that arrogant smug smile off of Karl Rove face.
Nancy Pelosi didn't control the CIA or the Military. Bush and Cheney controlled the CIA and the military. Yes, Karl Rove played a major role in those torture documents. Karl Rove knew just about everything that Bush and Cheney was doing......PERIOD
UBUICounterAttack 2 years ago 3
Thanks for explaining why Karl Rove is a hero.
jackg1001 2 years ago
This is off topic but...
The way they do things in Chicago...?
What we fuck is he talking about?
i speak for the whole city when I say Karl Rove...Go fuck yourself! Lock his ass up in Cook county...and see how he does...
Asshole..!
GWDPREZ07 2 years ago 4
No, Mr. Rove, but if somebody in the previous administration committed crimes and did the wrong thing , then we should prosecute them when they broke the law.
bluesboy25000 2 years ago 2
Mirrored Sunglasses= Awesome
xCrazyJayx 2 years ago
Policy differences lol
It's called the Rule of Law.
bedpotato 2 years ago
I just wish all these pro-torture goons would cut the bullshit and say what they really mean.
For them it is not a case of torturing prisoners for information.
It is all about exacting revenge.
Silberdachs 2 years ago
Silberdachs
"For them it is not a case of torturing prisoners for information.
It is all about exacting revenge. "
Exactly.
mizilus 2 years ago 2
all i want 4 Christmas is 2 c Karl Rove in jail! please lord,I promise not 2 ask 4 anything else.
Dascorpio36 2 years ago 3