So... 18 year old Australians will be old enough to vote for who runs the country, old enough to live alone, old enough to get themselves into debt, old enough to give their lives up for their country, but NOT old enough to have a beer?
@SkullXII Most of what you said is beneficial to them except for the drinking part and the debt part. Drinking has no benefit compared to being able to vote, living alone, and serving their country.
@vespaman101 Are you trying to tell me that social benefits don't count?
But you seemed to have missed my point completely; how can society deem you old enough and thereby responsible enough to do all of those things, yet think you're too young to drink alcohol? There are double standards at work, the US is the only Western country to have such laws, and that's only really because the prohibition era decided to rear its ugly head and leave behind a few remnants on its way out.
@vespaman101 And let's not sugar coat what joining the military actually means; yes, I respect what they do etcetera but the fact is being a soldier involves temporarily suspending a lot of your rights, picking up firearms and running a very high risk of dying at any given moment. Soldiers often come back with some kind of PTSD, or physical deformity. How can we say that someone's old enough to make that kind of decision, yet not drink?
And how's that beneficial to the individual? Yay pride? :|
@SkullXII i realize exactly what that means. Because when you join the military there's career opportunities. You don't have to do something really dangerous there are a lot of options out there. You also become more disciplined and mature. The military makes a lot of people into better people. There are more benefits with the military. You also strengthen your countries defenses. Now alcohol can also kill you with none of the benefits and for the most part the exact opposite.
@vespaman101 None of those benefits outweight the risk of DEATH, which can happen to soldiers no matter how experienced, talented or careful they are.
Drinkers can drink just a pint and have a nice sociable time without dying from alcohol poisoning, it's all down to free will. If they drink five bottles of Jack's and die from alcohol poisoning, well... that's Darwinism in action, but nevertheless the benefits are having a fun time out versus the risk of dying... if you're stupid and over-drink.
@SkullXII see the problem with this arguement. is that your talking about people being stupid and limiting themselves... we are talking about a demographic of kids 18-20.... shuld we trust them not to be stupid. I know the kids my age...stupidity is rampant. I tell you now with the people i have seen. THEY WILL ABUSE THE RIGHT TO DRINK. And talk about easy access to even younger kids. If 18 year olds buy it. they share it with their underclassment in highschool. prom deaths will be higher
Raising the Drinking Age to 21 would be the worst thing Australia could do, As in Britain there may very well be problems with binge drinking but these problems can be addressed in other ways, How can any Government justify raising the legal Drinking Age to 21, while the age of Majority is 18?.
As for the people who are promoting this I can almost garuntee that 99% drank Alcohol when they were 18, so why do they want to deny this right to todays 18 to 20 year olds?.
@ProsperityGlobal Absolutely agree with you 100 per cent. I have never touched a drop but think the idea of raising the drinking age is ridiculous. Unworkable :)
@kensington25 There are only a few countries that have a Minimum Drinking Age of 21, most of them are Islamic the only Western country that sets there minimum Drinking Age at 21 is the United States of America.
What must be rememberd is that The United States is a uniqe case, America has always had a very strong Anti-Alcohol lobby going right back to the early 1800s, The US had a nationwide Prohibition on Alcohol from 1919 to 1933 when it was finally lifted by FDR.
@kensington25 The last state in the US to lift a complete Ban on Alcohol was Mississippi in 1966, during the Vietnam war becuese 18-20 years olds could be drafted more than 20 States lowerd there Drinking Age, but This was reverersed when a group of Neo-Prohibitionist mothers lobbied congress to raise the drinking age to 21 nationaly enforced by financial threats to the States, if you look at the history of that time, this law was deeply unpopuler with many Americans.
Only if it is misused. Raising the age to 21 will encourage under age drinking in non-controlled environments. Prohibition does not help. Education does.
@tatomuck18 In fact your brain is not fully developed untill your 25, so why not have a minimum Drinking Age of 25, maybe 27 just to be on the safe side.
I cant stand hearing old people crapping on about the young people being out of control. Fucking hypocrites. Theyre just jealous cause theyre boring old farts.
Come to the USA and see what our unrealistic drinking age does for us. We have had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol since the nineteenth century. We have always practiced total prohibition or gross indulgence. The scions of the WCTU are still doing battle with the powerful alcohol industry and always will.
I actually think raising the age limiy would counter-productive, I see people well into their 30's and 40's getting hammered just like they were 18 year olds. We've just got to know when to put the brakes on.
I live in the USA where we have a drinking age of 21. It's ridiculous! You can fight in a war, drive a car, vote, all at 18 but you can't have a beer!!!? There are more important issues for Australia to discuss than this one.
Raising the drinking age won't do any good... In fact, I believe that lowering it might even help in educating the public on how to drink responsibly. Remove the mystique and the desire diminishes, at least in theory...
I can't see raising the age being much of a difference to be honest. The rate of underage drinking seems to be rising all the time and people are being exposed to alchohol at a younger age. I agree that education is the key all you can really do is equip people with the right knowledge and hope they use it to make good responsible decisions. Good video mate.
I think you should ask your senators why they've decided to pass laws discriminating against women in pornography, based on their body shape.... and why it is these two men think, for whatever personal reasons, and despite there being no research supporting the theory that men turn into pedos simply by looking at small breasts.
If you can tax someone, allow them to vote, send them off to die in war, and hold them prosecutable to the law, then they deserve full rights of citizenship.
Truly, it makes you wonder about those two senators and the men who backed that ridiculous law. Sounds to me like they're trying to blame their own perverted urges on someone else.
Personally, I think it's wrong to discriminate based on statistical arguments like they do with 18 year olds and drunk driving.
No one would put up with the same argument against a race, even though I am sure we can find stats that say some races are more prone to some things than others.
They're either full citizens, full rights, held fully accountable for their own actions, or their not.
I've just added another video response. I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. I guess everyone knows that this was on the same coffee. Amazing how much material we can cover in one coffee shop. I hope Copa Cubana doesn't ban us haha. The coffee was great, the company was better. Blessings FLETCHER
Monitoring licences, etc can only give a part of solution.
Education on alcohol from school level, from appreciation of tastes, palettes and the dangers of over consumption. Improving knowledge affects the way we treat and think about alcohol, can only be the long term solution. So I believe it should stay at 18 yrs legal age and education on a comprehensive level should begin in the schools.
Hi there ben. I agree. Excellent point. Educations is very much the key. Demonising drink will solve nothing and just make it more tempting as a forbidden fruit. You see a lot less binge drinking in mainland Europe because kids have a glass of wine etc with their parents from a young age and learn to drink responsibly.
I think there is less binge drinking in Europe because of education, and appreciation of alcohol, there in understanding the effects it has over our bodies and mind. I dont know about giving their kids a glass of wine-that theory I'm not sold on. Yes demonising alcohol can only backfire. Thanks for posting, great subject.
Thanks Ben. Giving a glass of wine is common in places such as France with a meal. It helps kids learn that alcohol is not some demon and teaches them to drink responsibly. In many English speaking countries we demonise alcohol so kids see it as a forbidden fruit and abuse it without drinking responsibly. It works in many European countries and we do not the binge drinking culture there. Alcohol is in itself fine but like anything when abused it can be dangerous. Education is very much the key.
I agree with Pete about the forbidden fruit thing and mystifying it, making it more appealing to teenagers. It is in the nature of teenagers to do the opposite to what adults tell them to do. It's their job to test their boundaries and see how infallible they really are. They are yet to learn that teenagers are not infallible, and when they do fall, they fall hard, probably scaring themselves to the rest of their lives.
Raising the drinking age to 21 will shorten the number of years people will have left to drink. So when they start drinking at 21, they will have to drink twice as much as they normally would in order to catch up! Now, there are only 24 hours in a day - you have to pass out for at least 8 hours - so that only leave 16 hours per day for drinking. I say NO - if anything the drinking age should be lowered to 12 - then people could start young and learn how to do it right. -Rob
I think if you raise the drinking age, you create a situation where people from the ages of 18-20 find alchohol to be more 'exciting' and enticing because of the fact that its illegal. If you make it legal for a younger age, it seems that it takes the mystique away from alchohol, and the mystique that comes with it seems to be the source behind alot of misuse.
Totally agree and excellent points. Raising the age will turn alcohol into a forbidden fruit and encourage people to drink irresponsibly outside controlled environments.
If anything i think that it would be counter intuitive, forbidden fruit syndrome, make it illegal, make it more tempting. One thing for sure people between 18 and 20 would still have no issue getting access to alcohol if they so desired.
It has to be said that Kevin Rudd is purely for anything that he thinks will help win him votes. A more pathetic example of populist politics would be hard to find.
yeah, why not raise the drinking age. get rid of the 18 years old from the pubs, so we can fall off bar stools drunk, chuck up all over the place and make utter prats of ourselves without setting a bad example.
thanks @kensington25 love the video im gonna use it in a presentation :D the music in the background is pretty weird tho :P
MrMicka101 3 months ago
@MrMicka101 Thanks so much and I really appreciate it. Best of luck with your presentation :)
kensington25 3 months ago
going to use this video in an english presentation on whether the legal drinking age should be raised to 21. Thanks heaps :)
MaduiCorp 5 months ago
@MaduiCorp Thank you so much and I really enjoy it. I hope the people you show it to enjoy it. Best of luck with your presentation :)
kensington25 5 months ago
where i live its 16 XD
ShooterCinema 7 months ago
So... 18 year old Australians will be old enough to vote for who runs the country, old enough to live alone, old enough to get themselves into debt, old enough to give their lives up for their country, but NOT old enough to have a beer?
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII Most of what you said is beneficial to them except for the drinking part and the debt part. Drinking has no benefit compared to being able to vote, living alone, and serving their country.
vespaman101 1 year ago
@vespaman101 Are you trying to tell me that social benefits don't count?
But you seemed to have missed my point completely; how can society deem you old enough and thereby responsible enough to do all of those things, yet think you're too young to drink alcohol? There are double standards at work, the US is the only Western country to have such laws, and that's only really because the prohibition era decided to rear its ugly head and leave behind a few remnants on its way out.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@vespaman101 And let's not sugar coat what joining the military actually means; yes, I respect what they do etcetera but the fact is being a soldier involves temporarily suspending a lot of your rights, picking up firearms and running a very high risk of dying at any given moment. Soldiers often come back with some kind of PTSD, or physical deformity. How can we say that someone's old enough to make that kind of decision, yet not drink?
And how's that beneficial to the individual? Yay pride? :|
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII i realize exactly what that means. Because when you join the military there's career opportunities. You don't have to do something really dangerous there are a lot of options out there. You also become more disciplined and mature. The military makes a lot of people into better people. There are more benefits with the military. You also strengthen your countries defenses. Now alcohol can also kill you with none of the benefits and for the most part the exact opposite.
vespaman101 1 year ago
@vespaman101 None of those benefits outweight the risk of DEATH, which can happen to soldiers no matter how experienced, talented or careful they are.
Drinkers can drink just a pint and have a nice sociable time without dying from alcohol poisoning, it's all down to free will. If they drink five bottles of Jack's and die from alcohol poisoning, well... that's Darwinism in action, but nevertheless the benefits are having a fun time out versus the risk of dying... if you're stupid and over-drink.
SkullXII 1 year ago
@SkullXII see the problem with this arguement. is that your talking about people being stupid and limiting themselves... we are talking about a demographic of kids 18-20.... shuld we trust them not to be stupid. I know the kids my age...stupidity is rampant. I tell you now with the people i have seen. THEY WILL ABUSE THE RIGHT TO DRINK. And talk about easy access to even younger kids. If 18 year olds buy it. they share it with their underclassment in highschool. prom deaths will be higher
vespaman101 1 year ago
IT DOESNT MATtER BECAUSE THE ABORIGINAL NIGGERS DRINK WHEN THEY ARE 5
shit wont change shit
if i wanna drink let me drink bro
powerdbycomedy 1 year ago
Make the drinking age 25
grogtgs 1 year ago
@grogtgs Or even 50 :)
kensington25 1 year ago
@kensington25 are you both mental?
fknshwow 10 months ago
Raising the legal minimum drinking age to 21, is not something a great Country like Australia should do.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
Raising the Drinking Age to 21 would be the worst thing Australia could do, As in Britain there may very well be problems with binge drinking but these problems can be addressed in other ways, How can any Government justify raising the legal Drinking Age to 21, while the age of Majority is 18?.
As for the people who are promoting this I can almost garuntee that 99% drank Alcohol when they were 18, so why do they want to deny this right to todays 18 to 20 year olds?.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal Absolutely agree with you 100 per cent. I have never touched a drop but think the idea of raising the drinking age is ridiculous. Unworkable :)
kensington25 1 year ago
@kensington25 There are only a few countries that have a Minimum Drinking Age of 21, most of them are Islamic the only Western country that sets there minimum Drinking Age at 21 is the United States of America.
What must be rememberd is that The United States is a uniqe case, America has always had a very strong Anti-Alcohol lobby going right back to the early 1800s, The US had a nationwide Prohibition on Alcohol from 1919 to 1933 when it was finally lifted by FDR.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal and of course prohibition absolutely failed and has been shown not to work.
kensington25 1 year ago
@kensington25 The last state in the US to lift a complete Ban on Alcohol was Mississippi in 1966, during the Vietnam war becuese 18-20 years olds could be drafted more than 20 States lowerd there Drinking Age, but This was reverersed when a group of Neo-Prohibitionist mothers lobbied congress to raise the drinking age to 21 nationaly enforced by financial threats to the States, if you look at the history of that time, this law was deeply unpopuler with many Americans.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
The drinking age should be raised to 21. Your brain isnt fully developed until then. Adding alcohol is horrible for the developing brain!
tatomuck18 1 year ago
Only if it is misused. Raising the age to 21 will encourage under age drinking in non-controlled environments. Prohibition does not help. Education does.
kensington25 1 year ago
@tatomuck18 In fact your brain is not fully developed untill your 25, so why not have a minimum Drinking Age of 25, maybe 27 just to be on the safe side.
ProsperityGlobal 1 year ago
@ProsperityGlobal Lol I'd be safe and raise it to 45 :)
kensington25 1 year ago
sick bro
maxrockes 1 year ago
Cheers :)
kensington25 1 year ago
I cant stand hearing old people crapping on about the young people being out of control. Fucking hypocrites. Theyre just jealous cause theyre boring old farts.
Megamanmeat 2 years ago
I agree :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I totally agree. Good points :)
kensington25 2 years ago
Come to the USA and see what our unrealistic drinking age does for us. We have had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol since the nineteenth century. We have always practiced total prohibition or gross indulgence. The scions of the WCTU are still doing battle with the powerful alcohol industry and always will.
FergusonTO35 2 years ago
I totally agree. Excellent points. Prohibition and demonising alcohol achieves nothing :)
kensington25 2 years ago
it will make 21 yr olds act like 18 yr olds
Icewolf16 2 years ago
Exactly :)
kensington25 2 years ago
St Fletcher's right. It's a backward idea, and will busy the police. That's all it's done here in the US.
annikee59 2 years ago
I totally agree :)
kensington25 2 years ago
yep. raising the age to 21 will solve nothing... if anything it might have the opposite effect and make underagers want to drink MORE...
kaddy01980 2 years ago
Good points. I totally agree :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I actually think raising the age limiy would counter-productive, I see people well into their 30's and 40's getting hammered just like they were 18 year olds. We've just got to know when to put the brakes on.
eurodestination 2 years ago
I totally agree. It would solve nothing :)
kensington25 2 years ago
already happend israel lol .. :-)
a year ago it was NO ALCHOL ALLOWED UNDER AGE 18 ! haha :p
we have aslo police parents ! LOL
our gov knows that it wont help so they lowered the prices of the expensive alcohol.. :o so teenger wont buy the bad ones
XactFilms 2 years ago
Good move and quite right :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I live in the USA where we have a drinking age of 21. It's ridiculous! You can fight in a war, drive a car, vote, all at 18 but you can't have a beer!!!? There are more important issues for Australia to discuss than this one.
simongbb7 2 years ago
I agree and it is double standards. Pure sound bite politics with little substance.
kensington25 2 years ago
Truly raising it to 21 won't do a damn thing haha
InTheEndIWasRight 2 years ago
I totally agree. Good point :)
kensington25 2 years ago
Education and find some way to deglorify it. Most kids do things because they want an image.
TempleOfGaia 2 years ago
Very very true and very good point :)
kensington25 2 years ago
Raising the drinking age won't do any good... In fact, I believe that lowering it might even help in educating the public on how to drink responsibly. Remove the mystique and the desire diminishes, at least in theory...
fehquig 2 years ago
Excellent point and I totally agree :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I totally agree. Good points :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I can't see raising the age being much of a difference to be honest. The rate of underage drinking seems to be rising all the time and people are being exposed to alchohol at a younger age. I agree that education is the key all you can really do is equip people with the right knowledge and hope they use it to make good responsible decisions. Good video mate.
PuffNicky 2 years ago
Thanks so much Nicky and good points :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I think you should ask your senators why they've decided to pass laws discriminating against women in pornography, based on their body shape.... and why it is these two men think, for whatever personal reasons, and despite there being no research supporting the theory that men turn into pedos simply by looking at small breasts.
If you can tax someone, allow them to vote, send them off to die in war, and hold them prosecutable to the law, then they deserve full rights of citizenship.
onlywhenprovoked 2 years ago
I agree. The idea that men become pedos by looking at breasts would be a ridiculous one.
kensington25 2 years ago
Truly, it makes you wonder about those two senators and the men who backed that ridiculous law. Sounds to me like they're trying to blame their own perverted urges on someone else.
onlywhenprovoked 2 years ago
I think you could be right. They could well be in denial. Sometimes we hate in others what we see in ourselves.
kensington25 2 years ago
Sorry I side tracked from the video subject.
Personally, I think it's wrong to discriminate based on statistical arguments like they do with 18 year olds and drunk driving.
No one would put up with the same argument against a race, even though I am sure we can find stats that say some races are more prone to some things than others.
They're either full citizens, full rights, held fully accountable for their own actions, or their not.
onlywhenprovoked 2 years ago
No probs at all and I agree. Raising the age would not solve the problem of binge and irresponsible drinking.
kensington25 2 years ago
I've just added another video response. I couldn't think of anywhere else to put it. I guess everyone knows that this was on the same coffee. Amazing how much material we can cover in one coffee shop. I hope Copa Cubana doesn't ban us haha. The coffee was great, the company was better. Blessings FLETCHER
saintfletcher 2 years ago
Hehe very true. Great coffee and even better company. It was great fun and very thought provoking :)
kensington25 2 years ago
Monitoring licences, etc can only give a part of solution.
Education on alcohol from school level, from appreciation of tastes, palettes and the dangers of over consumption. Improving knowledge affects the way we treat and think about alcohol, can only be the long term solution. So I believe it should stay at 18 yrs legal age and education on a comprehensive level should begin in the schools.
benzone50 2 years ago
Hi there ben. I agree. Excellent point. Educations is very much the key. Demonising drink will solve nothing and just make it more tempting as a forbidden fruit. You see a lot less binge drinking in mainland Europe because kids have a glass of wine etc with their parents from a young age and learn to drink responsibly.
kensington25 2 years ago
I think there is less binge drinking in Europe because of education, and appreciation of alcohol, there in understanding the effects it has over our bodies and mind. I dont know about giving their kids a glass of wine-that theory I'm not sold on. Yes demonising alcohol can only backfire. Thanks for posting, great subject.
benzone50 2 years ago
Thanks Ben. Giving a glass of wine is common in places such as France with a meal. It helps kids learn that alcohol is not some demon and teaches them to drink responsibly. In many English speaking countries we demonise alcohol so kids see it as a forbidden fruit and abuse it without drinking responsibly. It works in many European countries and we do not the binge drinking culture there. Alcohol is in itself fine but like anything when abused it can be dangerous. Education is very much the key.
kensington25 2 years ago
I agree. Good points. Drinking laws will really change nothing.
kensington25 2 years ago
no fucking way
rory1809 2 years ago
I agree :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I agree with Pete about the forbidden fruit thing and mystifying it, making it more appealing to teenagers. It is in the nature of teenagers to do the opposite to what adults tell them to do. It's their job to test their boundaries and see how infallible they really are. They are yet to learn that teenagers are not infallible, and when they do fall, they fall hard, probably scaring themselves to the rest of their lives.
saintfletcher 2 years ago
I agree. Rather than forbid let them live and learn :)
kensington25 2 years ago
Raising the drinking age to 21 will shorten the number of years people will have left to drink. So when they start drinking at 21, they will have to drink twice as much as they normally would in order to catch up! Now, there are only 24 hours in a day - you have to pass out for at least 8 hours - so that only leave 16 hours per day for drinking. I say NO - if anything the drinking age should be lowered to 12 - then people could start young and learn how to do it right. -Rob
DogsAreMyLife 2 years ago
Now there's an idea and good point :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I think if you raise the drinking age, you create a situation where people from the ages of 18-20 find alchohol to be more 'exciting' and enticing because of the fact that its illegal. If you make it legal for a younger age, it seems that it takes the mystique away from alchohol, and the mystique that comes with it seems to be the source behind alot of misuse.
peteheatb3 2 years ago
Totally agree and excellent points. Raising the age will turn alcohol into a forbidden fruit and encourage people to drink irresponsibly outside controlled environments.
kensington25 2 years ago
If anything i think that it would be counter intuitive, forbidden fruit syndrome, make it illegal, make it more tempting. One thing for sure people between 18 and 20 would still have no issue getting access to alcohol if they so desired.
It has to be said that Kevin Rudd is purely for anything that he thinks will help win him votes. A more pathetic example of populist politics would be hard to find.
Oct195 2 years ago
It seems to me that for Rudd this is little more than a vote winner. A sound bite and no more.
kensington25 2 years ago
Colins glasses always look crooked, l would agree to the age being raised to 19yo.
1GOD1JESUS 2 years ago
Gotta love Colin. Yes raising the age to 19 will make a hell of a lot of difference lol :)
kensington25 2 years ago
I made such a fool of myself with drink when I was 18 I gave it away by the time I was 19.
Take the booze away and kids will find another substance to wipe out on.
leokimvideo 2 years ago
Exactly. Raising the age will solve very little.
kensington25 2 years ago
No, we should not raise it complete bad idea!
TomCroydon94 2 years ago
I agree with you :)
kensington25 2 years ago
yeah, why not raise the drinking age. get rid of the 18 years old from the pubs, so we can fall off bar stools drunk, chuck up all over the place and make utter prats of ourselves without setting a bad example.
littlegalah 2 years ago
Yes much of the solution to the issue lies with the older generation who should be setting an exaample :)
kensington25 2 years ago