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  • J Krishnamurti repudiated religion, messiahs and saviours because they distract us knowing and taking responsibility for ourselves. It is our understanding of reality that false. The great Masters said, 'look within' .... recognise yourself in each other. Instead, we use religion as a crutch, or as a weapon with which to judge and oppress each other. What blinds us is our failure to recognise the divine in each other.

  • First 1:20 minutes are pure class

  • He had a pure uncluttered mind.

  • Is this guy UG's little brother?

  • @123proffitt They are unrelated surprisingly. J. Krishnamurti lived 1895-1986. U.G.Krishnamurti lived 1918-2007.

  • @123proffitt NO RELATION. BOTH ARE FLAME THO.

  • Very valuable video.

    Thumbs up!

    Bo Bo & Martin

  • uhm this video says that krishnamurti was a savior??? but he promotes self-hood, i think this video really plays him down!

  • Krishnamurti isn't a great human being. He is a human being with greatness.

  • I just wanted to ask everyone who watch, believe this and hopefuly shearing this with those who dont understand this.

    How are they taking it??? and

    What are you doing about the way they taking it??? and

    How does this effect you or your life???

    Please try not to missunderstand me.

  • @timour24 I believe I understand what you are saying. Most peple I share K's teachings with, reject it, a few embrace it but they are too busy wth their lives to put it into pract. Some tell me not to tell them about it anymore because it made sense and they did not wish to 'shake" what they already beleived in.

  • they were looking for a teacher, way before they found k??? kinda weird huh!!!!

    anna was a socialist ... thats why he walked away ... nwo???

  • ....we are ALL born with pure love, just as we get older, distractions and broken hearted creep in, and before you know it, you have lost the first sense of pure love, later, you use the hardened love to comfort yourself and the new person etc. Well, this is the case for most of us these days; by the way the world is today.

  • This is a life changing film. I understand that Krishnamurti rejected the claim of being the next messiah but it seems to me that this is what has happened nonetheless. Was Jesus Christ immediately recognized ? It took years after his death before the new testament came to be. Who knows exactly what Jesus claimed to be. What is clear though is that Krishnamurti's impact is slowly but surely taking shape into the consciousness of mankind. It is the consciousness of mankind.

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  • @punk2116 I object. when Krishnamurti rejected the claim that he was a messiah, he really meant it. messiah or savior is invention of thought. you read that didnt you? there cannot be a messiah or guru or teacher. you yourself must understand yourself and experience the last reality yourself. how can someone hand over that experience to you?

  • there is a conceptual leap to understanding the teaching. you must experiment with it. like learning to ride a bicycle it can't be really explained but is exactly the same thing only mental. simply watch yourself react to things nonverbally. when you are in pain question it but then let the question go. face a fear (without putting yourself in danger) and watch how you react to it. question it. there is no intellectual answer. put your question out to the universe and see what happens.

  • @jafomab 

  • i believe this video was originally released as The Challenge of Change with Richard Basehart (Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea) and Richrd Chamberlain (Shogun, Dr Kildare) doing excellent narration. it was also fitting as K was good friends with many Hollywood personalities from the early days of the film industry.

  • beautiful

  • This is also what he would as to be a light to oneself. To be aware, to watch, to observe, as the thinker, knowing the thinker is not seperate from thought, that the thought is the thinker. To see is to be a light, to, just observe, to just be, be that thing, there is no "you" seperate from the thing, as the thing is you. If we ask then what is god, from our background we can say, cuz we have been either taught what to think, and raise with that in our environment. You become that wich..

  • Please look at it, without speculative thinking and without jumping to conclusion and start thinking from that conclusion.

    Stillness of supremely attentive mind is the most alive thing. Ofcourse, the 'me' has no place in such attention. So the 'me' dies.That death and complete liveliness are the same thing.

  • We are being pushed to think by the bombardement of many sources today. What if we are disconnected from awareness and understanding and suppressed to thinking by a technology we have become depended upon what do we then do? The majority is today caught in a state called "switching of the brain" - please visit my channel, since it is very important - people cannot really be aware and be present if they are switching. Thank you Krishnamurti - a Light beyond.

  • the mind runs rampant on fantasy and situations of the dreaded past and hopeful future, both which r irrelevent 2 the present moment ur in. Focus, and be aware, watching ur thoughts as they come, and u'll realize, not THINK, how ridiculous the thoughts might be. Buzzing around just like the fly, and like the fly, the more aware you are of them and the more you catch them, the less they'll buzz around aimlessly. BTW, I developed GAD and no psycologist ever helped me. Quieting the mind did.

  • I was also diagnosed with depression and GAD a few years back. Started with Buddhism, then Hinduism, then Sri Ramana Maharishi, all eventually lead me to Krishamurti. Through sincere observation I no longer suffer from depression or GAD.

    In fact, my family, friends, and fiance all noticed significant changes without my telling them. An observed mind is a tame mind. Meditation and introspection did more than any perscription drugs could.

  • Great to hear music. Seems that the deepest secret humans have is within there own selves. And no wonder when told to outsiders who have no knowledge on jiddu or marashi ect. find the practice to be odd, radical, unconventional, or mystical thus not above or even parellel to medical science and therapy. Seems that society has labled inner divinity to be out of reach for one reason- if every1 has the secret to help themselves, its free. What would the pharm companies do with that knowledge?

  • It's 'dangerous' to many institutions that have power/control over people. Some organized religions, government, marketing (worst nightmare for them), etc. Many of the areas where we typically spend our time and money are rooted in false assumptions.

    It's my belief that is why so many paths are hidden with symbology. However,we now live in an age where information is 'more free' than it has been in the past. It comes with truth and lies. All the more reason to find out for ourselves.

  • Thats such a nice satement, never thought of it that way. I realize we are going through a stage of free and uncontrolled flow of information and I thought that was good, "knowledge without a patent." But i disliked the idea of free flow of disinformation which could cause a doubt to arise on any free flow or non-filtered knowledge. But your completely right, the constant bombardment of both sides of the card would cause nothing but inward thinking, independant of form. "Be a light to yourself."

  • I can realte! I am glad I seen your comment. When i was 18 i had a deep depression, but at the same time i was studying Krishnamurti, iall i kep reading was that he said to obervere, the depression, be the depression, do not do anything about it, just watch, feel, and be. No matter what u feel, no matter what you think. Stay with it, watch, observe, learn, and eventually it will come to pass, like a storm. Once the energy of depression has ended, a transformation will take place..

  • to julianraw

    A minor "correction" to your first comment..

    ""Once the energy of depression has ended, a transformation will take place..""

    Just because there were no escape from the depression, there is no energy waste, thus there is the energy required to overcome anything or, for this transformation to take place..It is as you said the same energy of depression that becomes wisdom afterwards..while also learning from the observation of/for yourself

    Thanks for the share! I can relate too...

  • continued.. In the immediate ending of the depression their was a immeditate realization, a new found wisdom, it was if i had discovered the meaning and root of my depression, and so because of this i have not had depression since and im 34 now! Just be observe, follow, be it, dont do anything about it, as soon as you do something about it, then you cease to observe, you cease to look at it, you cease to discover what it is that disturbs your mind. And as he would say doing something about it.

  • Escaping from the pain of depression or whatever it may be does not solve or dissolve twhat it is. it continues it. the more you avoind a problem the stronger it gets, thats like a universal principle of nature. My parents had always told me "take care of things as they arise" And Krishnamurti says it in a more philisophical way , not to confuse, for you to look, and see, to question that very thing, that you yourself have created. Depression is not seperate from you, you have created it!

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  • to daxispiano

    Maybe you should watch closer and clearer..You cannot live only by yourself, life is the vast sea of relationship, of any kind.

    When someone insults you for no good reason, you remain in the worst mood for the rest of the day, just because you were careless and unready ...YOU, created the problem for the rest of the day - by thinking the insult and how you could respond best, make the bastard pay etc. etc. - and not the one that insulted you..

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  • Thanks for replying!

    Firstly I do not know of what problems you are reffering so I cannot continue on that matter, I just gave an example..Please don't jump to the human nature conclusion, cause you are ending the discussion, and yes, there are many wrongs with it...look around you..

    ""try to apply his principles....what happens to you""

    I did quite many times, have you..? and so, what happened to you?

  • "can u pretend you...harm is done to you?"

    I will not lie to you my friend.. If I am unready and careless and tired and frustrated I can perfectly respond with an act of extreme violence..but on the contrary if I am more conscious and CARE - FULL about myself and everything else around and inside me then I can laugh on this so called harm..

    and this has happened...

    ""if you're not thinking....as well be asleep!""

    Well, you 'll just have to try it and see for yourself then..I don't know..

  • Imagine a fly in ur house. A fly buzzing around u can be aggitating if ur trying 2 concentrate on something else. However if ur sitting at ur table do nothing, you might decide to become more aware of the fly and try to catch it in your hand. You see it buzzing around and then reach out to grasp it-at this point its not flying around anymore; bothering you. But when u open ur hand, its not there either. Because of this it probobly wont come back for a while. Same with thoughts...

  • I like his musing even though they are vague and incomplete at times; requiring more thought and insight to fully comprehend the meaning. A person cannot take a literal meaning without comming to my conclusion below. I like him mostly because of his Christ like upbringing and denial of such practices and foolish adherances. His philosophy is similar to the Nostic teachings of Christ. Be here, in the moment not wanting or looking for something outside of the beauty of reality. God is in a flower.

  • RyRy, if you haven't been able to attain a still mind, its probobly because you are trying to hard. Jiddu never really emphasized meditation, infact, he spoke against it being that telling someone to meditate is simply giving them another obstacle to overcome. But, calming the mind is very relaxing and healthy. But to do it, you have to observe your thouughts as they come. Don't TRY to supress them all together.

  • I agree with you and Jiddu's view of things, because that's what I do.

  • Wow.. they videos are so old! but jk teachings are timeless i suppose.

  • Whatever has been put together by thought is not sacred, is not free from human corruption.

    When the mind is utterly still, i.e. when it is free from thought, then that mind itself is sacred.

  • But a mind that is completely still and free from thought is, perhaps, dead. And that would mean that only death is sacred.

  • It's understandable that you would come to the conclusion that "only death is sacred," RyRyVids, since your mind completely dead.

  • No. He's talking about freedom from thought. A state of mind that quiets the innner dialogue so one is not locked into "the monkey mind.", the ego, whatever you want to call it. At this point, we can percieve outside of the way we normally percieve the world. It's death in a way, but only for a moment and only to an old description of the world. We keep breathing, being but that constant inner dialogue retreats. You have to do it to see what he is talking about (using meditation or other means)

  • Yes... I can see what your saying. A peace of mind free from thought, however, I've been unable to attain this state of mind and it's not for lack of trying. And perception is another way to explain the cognitive thought process. I'm an undergraduate in psychology, so I know this is true. Now if you mean perceiving only the present and suspending all other thoughts, then perhaps he's onto somthing, but it wouldn't be a good description of meditation. At least not in my oppinion.

  • Interesting. I don't define perception necessarily as cognitive thought although cognitive thought is one way to percieve albeit based on thought rather than perception which takes place on another level. Well, anyway, I have experienced it and it's worth it. I would imagine if you are an undergraduate, you would be in your early 20's, which, while you may not think it, is relatively young. Keep doing it. Being in the present can be a meditation, all depends on syntax and how you define it.

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  • you are on the right track.  keep looking

  • Perhaps there is life outside of the mind.

  • Thank You seastarwatch for these videos:-)

  • recently i've been pondering this feeling of "nothing sacred"... this helps a lot

  • then throw it out!

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