Fibonacci Curves

[Levi8412]

God is a little lazy, thats why he use fibonacci for so many thing....

[berlin45ers]

god is a crazy genius and we are the laboratory

[euphoriawmu]

Thank you so much for sharing this! I wish you were my high school math teacher! I'm sure you've inspired many kids....

[XmarkedSpot]

the "golden ratio" (1 : 0.618..) was known before fibonacci's "discovery", the greeks used it in architecture everywhere.

One of the first ones to describe the procedure was Euclid, using simply two evens and two radii.

The correct definition thus would be

a/b = phi = (1 + root to 5) / 2.

But fibonacci's theme is very beautiful, too!

[quarrel02]

This has nothing to do with god. Fibonacci occures in galaxies because of the exponential way gravity works. If you have a bigger snail shell then the next segmant you add on will be even bigger again growing exponentially. Its a porperty of nature and mathematics and thats all thats been proven here

[SamoanWarrior02]

Reading the comments on this video, it is astounding to see how people don't logically reason. Basic logic dictates that where there is design, there has to be a designer, hence cause and effect. Yet they believe in 'random' evolution which created our cosmos, although contradictory because cosmos means order. You cannot have order from disorder (big bang) and all the laws of thermodynamics demonstrate that matter cannot create itself, therefore something non-physical caused it. His Name is God!

[munkyboy54]

I may have been more inclined to hear this out had just said "alright EVERYTHING I SHOW YOU IS A SPIRAL." then stayed silent the whole time. that would've helped. kinda like when a chick talks your ear off when your getting a hair cut... its like wom wom wom wom ... huh?

[RealPlaya9]

I love Fibonacci spirals. There so cool! Great vid thanks.

[goldencako]

technically its a sequence, not a series.

[fibonacci1135813]

Great. Though I think he goes a little overboard...

[LiamAJobey]

ummm... you've proved that fibonacci spirals are used and found throughout the world... but it doesnt prove anything of god's existence... everything in nature is amazing and functional in its own beautiful way. Thats what you've shown, nothing of proof that god was the creator of it though

[weelepricon]

why is it that we have to "design" 1.618 into everything, but nature found it by some freak chance? did fibinacci discover it "accidentally"? doesn't it make more sense to you (although not technically proving anything) that someone PUT that there? to me it's as sure as a mathematical inference

[legendarymoe]

The whole point is to beg the question of how it got there seperate from a design?

[ulamss5]

er dude... the .618034 thing is wrong. if you don't believe me you can try it out with a calculator. it might be close to the number but... its wrong. for each pair of number, you get a different number

[PowerVine]

It is only an approximation which gets closer as the numbers get larger.

[TheAnim8rArtist]

The golden ratio is actually closer to 1.6180339

[Zantaer]

If you were to graph it, .618034 is the asymptote

[atomi50]

amazing video

[skittleq6]

i bet this vid would have 5 instead of 4 stars if he hadnt said god

[moonrocker]

nice tie

[Kigory]

Weak Nuclear Force, Strong Nuclear Force, Gravity, and Time. These are the only 4 forces in existence. These forces exist on every single scale, from subatomic to Galactic. So it stands to reason (YES REASON) that the behavior of matter under the influence of the SAME forces would be similar, if not identical. Stop diminishing physics with religious nonsense.

[drfreebs]

Weak Nuclear Force, Strong Nuclear Force, Gravity, and electromagnetism

[Kojikabuto87]

Time is not considered a force. The 4th fundamental force is Electromagnetism.

[daveheet]

It kind of displays how EVERYTHING in the universe is related. It makes sense that everything would display this phenomena since this is a more fundamental property of the universe.

Maybe dimensions too curve as the Fibonacci spiral. That would be interesting.

Awesome none the less. This whole existence thing is amazing. The universe is amazing. God is amazing.

[amarnamriju]

it's not supposed to be the same number...it's supposed to converge to phi (or the golden ratio) as you go along the sequence...which is about 0.618...watever

[TheKoopaBros]

Although I find the Fibnocacci sequence fascinating and this video too, I don't see the inert mathematical nature of nature to be proof of god. Maybe if you saw ingrained in those curves "ps I'm god, I'm real". I'd agree with you, but all you're doing is finding similarities of nature and saying, "oh god did it" instead of trying to answer why they're so common.

[Deering777]

Life would be really boreing if every Fib. spiral was "exactly" the same. Everyone/thing is different, yet "fashoned" to a "Likeness" LOOK, if you took a carpenter and looked at his creation, the design or look would be unique to Him who made it. The Creator chose to fashion this world together with Spirals and measurements that are awsome to behold! I read alot of negetive, prove it or I won't believe comments. "nothing special" "So What" ACCEPT/ENJOY LIFE PEOPLE and BELIEVE as a child would.

[km1116]

144/233 = 0.618026

55/89 = 0.61798

not the same number, nor are either 0.618034

Did he even try to calculate?

sigh.

[JohnV474]

The numbers don't calculate exactly. The higher up the numbers go, the closer the answer comes to the one he discusses. Even down low they are close but definitely not perfect.

[goooober]

it approaches it and becomes more accurate at x=infinity in f(x)=f(x-1)+f(x-2)

[Chad9976]

.618 is just an average.

[nathanomgnathan]

wait, an average among what?...

[PowerVine]

Average ratio between Fibonacci numbers.

[neoqix]

"Do you see the pattern?". Yeah i see, but instead of just saying it's god or some other magic power, why don't you just find out why. The reason is probably just physics.

It's only a matter of time until every religion comes to an end.

[HoweGavin]

no, because science can not disprove god, religions will just come to a balance, where people will either believe or not in god, and we wont fight over it

[lipslacedwitpoison]

Not true. All religion relies on FAITH. Not science. They are two different things. Religious people make no sense of "fact", because to them, "fact" results from faith; not the other way around.

[PowerVine]

Science and faith in God are not enemies. It's both scientists and religious people who speak outside of their realms that cause conflict. Scientists should not try to disprove God (e.g. Dawkins) and religious people should not try to rewrite science to fit their dogma (e.g. Hovind).

[Malecaust666]

I've never met anyone who tried to disprove something that doesn't exist...

Just think about it. The only thing you can't disprove are things that are inconceivable by nature but widely expected as fact. We can disprove some scientific theories because they are physical, tangible, objects or calculations. Unicorns for instance are neither. But you can't prove or disprove they exist can you?

[intelegentdproduct]

dude everything is theory, disprove god and faith falls therefore........

[shrunkensimon]

Its funny.. as a left brained logical scientific type thinker i always discounted the idea of "God" from an early age, up until my late teens. I still don't buy the Christian idea of "God", but the evidence for intelligence behind reality is beyond overwhelming.. IMHO it is totally undeniable. It is everywhere, literally. We've just lost the eye to see it!

Sacred geometry is that evidence. Mathematical and harmonic relationships. Its not "just maths" when nature uses it EVERYWHERE!

[Firearmor]

Nature uses math because it follows a logic pattern not because a intelligent being designed it. Your brain follows a Fibonacci curve so that it fits you head and so on. Why don't aren't we curved in a Fibonacci curve? Because you wouldn't be able to walk that way.

[lipslacedwitpoison]

Get this: The ability to see patterns and draw connections is based on the Fibonacci sequence. The right brain is where synthesis and geometry take place. Emotions spiral inward and outward on a CAT scan. Right hemisphere dependence. A combination of both make for logic and meaning. Picture it like this: the left hemisphere consists of the lines (the graph of the spiral on the video) that touch the curves (boxes), and the right hemisphere is the resulting spiral. They conflate to make "sense".

[bezvezeceda]

Simple math ... nothing big to it.

[Arnevet]

how come a fingerprint always has fibonacci spirals? every fingerprint is unique?

[raptorjesus42]

I would say this is more of a theory. Also, the ratio of gravity force to mass? F=GMm/r². G is a constant and so is M, the mass of the earth. Also, r is the radius so from the middle of the Earth to the center of mass of the object which is pretty negligible in this case.

Next, Masterlock you are telling us you believe in God because you fear death and what happens afterwards. Furthermore, just as this guy cannot prove this is God's doing you cannot prove its evolution.

[masterlock015]

People have always had a need to find ssome explanation for events and objects that appear in nature. It's a function of the brain, to find reasons and explanations for things (in my opinion, it's part of a self deffense mechanism). Nature does show paterns, but the fact that this is so global, neither prooves nor disproves God or religion.

[masterlock015]

*Continuing my last post*

Do not take this man as a representation of religious peoples, and do not take his ideas to heart. The fact that these things appear is a matter of evolution (whether guided by a Greater Intelligence or otherwise).

[masterlock015]

*Continuing THAT post*

Religion is used to satisfy the ideas of death and post death, a lot of people take objective views on the matter, but the simple way to look at it is a method of comforting those who fear that which they do not understand. Explaining the unexplainable and the unknown.

Personally, I believe in God, but I do NOT take my ideas to be the only ones, I am one of the few who accept the idea that there may be no God, or there may be many gods.

[masterlock015]

Final post on the matter.

I've wandered off topic, but don't think that this proves or disproves God. It's an observation and is open to interpretation.

Also, sorry Travis, I didn't log onto my account, yours was already signed in.

[blackandgreen44]

this in no way proves god exists in fact i think it helps disprove god.

[shmulikav]

very interesting, thanks for sharing

[MarshalltheArtist]

I don't find this spiral to be aesthetically appealing. I'm not a big fan of the rectangle, either. Am I a freak?

[Huitzel]

Good until he brought the "G" word.

[NocturnalAngst]

For one thing I fail to see how recognizing the existence of fossil matter discounts the idea of a creative force. The idea of a mathematical equation that all organic and inorganic matter follows does however lend prudence to the concept of an intelligent design. No matter who or what you may believe to be behind the design. I hardly think we will get any closer to finding the truth if we categorically reject any laws we might find that govern the universe around us that we find inconvenient.

[darkme2001]

u cant prove god exists u cant prove god doesnt exist so just leave it alone

[savagecatdjk]

Funny that he feels comfortable saying "God likes the Fibonacci" but also feels comfortable referencing the fossil record as "proof." Yes, this is an amazing trend, no it is probably not coincidence. Saying that there are lots of Fibonacci spirals in nature has ZERO relevance to the presence of any "supernatural creator" except to make its existence more unlikely. This argument is an argument from "irreducible complexity" but how complex is a creator? Complex? Must've been created then right?

[mikecampochiaro]

Nah, it's greater to be independant and eternal than to be created. Humans are dependant because we are created. The teleological proof for God's existence is a legitimate one.

[masterphene23]

I think, from my understanding so far, maybe its not enough. The fibonacci sequence is nothing more than a bigger piece of the blue print, that nature use to create.

[MPS186282]

a man in the 13th century discovers a simple sequence of numbers and we turn it into a dispute about god? doesn't make much sense.

[shnaaarf]

man I was diggin you until you brought god into it.

no disrespect...sorry if i did.

[xeropressure]

Does not prove the existence of god, but shows there is a pattern in the universe.

[AnEscapedMind]

Exactly! and it doesn't mean god likes this pattern...it's just an ideal curve or sequence that works the best in nature

[erutemal]

extremely awsome but it doesn't cease to amaze me that an intelligent guy believes in god. for me GOD BELIEVER = IDIOT

[masternater0710]

I wonder if all this stuff is "exactly" a fibonacci spiral like he implies... still cool to think about... i'd like to see one of these with the golden ration as a substitute

[behi667]

But the spiral IS the golden ratio, don't you get it? Each time the spiral "curves" it's 1.618304... times bigger then before.

[seaneire]

who is nature?

[mgalo187]

Please, enjoy the safety of knowing that you'll be saved, without guilt or pride to know that I will be content in the knowledge that I do not know what will happen to me when I pass - and that excites me as a human.

[broj8s8n79]

Theres a saying that if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the one who yelps the loudest is the one who got hit. Sounds like this may have hit a couple of you atheists...?

[anarchonism]

there is no god. these patterns are just immanent to the properties of matter.

[Explitiv3]

1=1/x does not lead to design... a continued fraction, has no impprints of design only the determined outcome of a sequence.

[dingorex]

Is there a book which has these examples illustrated? This is a great topic,thank you.

[dusteroo]

The Fibonacci spiral is merely an example of itself that equates to infinity.

The fibonacci scale fundamentally ties in with 'fractals', which is basically the never-ending "scale-up to-scale-down" measurement in all the universe in space/time.  All things are in this Fibonacci Fractal universe. Call it God, or whatever.

[dusteroo]

I love the sunflower seed picture... that's really cool.

[ruiner000]

Hmm, I don't buy the alien creator theory, but just to refute your thoughts about if that were true the possibility of them being 'smart enough' to communicate with us. what are the chances of us being a civilization/species 3 billion years from now? 0. We've been able to use fundamental atoms with a energy charge to make amino acids, what is believed to be the basic building blocks of future organisms. That doesn't mean we'll be around in 3 billion years to communicate with anyone.

[lateralus270]

pretty cool, althoough i disagree that this alone proves god exists, it is something interesting to look into though.

[PowerVine]

In this video John didn't say anything about Fibonacci spirals proving God's existence. However, they do show design in nature which just might indicate that there is a Designer.

[mavaddat]

How do they show design? Just because you are personally fascinated by Fibonacci curves, that doesn't mean it is designed. For example, it could be that the these series arise due to mathematical determinism and, since they appeared everywhere, humans who enjoyed them had a better chance of survival. Voilá! No God needed.

[PowerVine]

You are really stretching to credit apparent design in all of these things to some "mathematical determinism" and to suggest that "humans who enjoyed them had a better chance of survival." Really stretching.

[mavaddat]

"Really stretching"? You are arguing from ignorance again. Just because YOU can't imagine or don't understand the mathematics, that DOESN'T give you the right to invoke God. It only gives you the right to say, "I don't know what caused this." You DON'T KNOW.

[PowerVine]

The apparent design of these things gives me reason to say, "It looks like a design to me." Design demands a Designer. I'm sure you would agree with your comrade Richard Dawkins who wrote that "biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." Perhaps it appears to be designed because it is designed.

[mavaddat]

Sure. I can agree to that. However there are three points to consider: First, a designer could be aliens, or some other creature. It doesn't need to be God. Second, you don't really explain anything by invoking a designer, since you haven't explained how the designer came about. Third, evolution does a good job explaining apparent design, thus rendering the designer hypothesis superfluous.

[PowerVine]

Your first point is correct, but if so that alien or creature has made no effort to communicate with us. The second point is true also. Design in the universe does not tell us where the designer came from. However, if the Designer is God, as I believe, he has communicated with us through the Bible which tells us that he is eternal and outside of time. Point three is completely false. I recommend a good book by Jonathan Wells "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design."

[mavaddat]

Ohhhhh, now it makes sense why you're not convinced by the theory of evolution. You've been reading misinformation. I've actually read Wells' book, and I was more than a little amused with how ignorant he was of biology. If you are sincerely interested in whether the theory of evolution is correct or not, I can recommmend some good books to start off with for you. Also, how do you know that our alien designer HASN'T made an effort to communicate with us?

[PowerVine]

If an alien from outer space were smart enough to create all of us, it would surely be smart enough to know how to communicate with us. I haven't heard from such a creature yet. Have you? I have heard from God in his word, the Bible. If you have really read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design" then tell me what were the words spelled out in flowers on the sign in a Canadian harbor?

[mavaddat]

We know sign "Welcome to Victoria" is intelligently designed. You can find this and many other lame arguments in the book you mentioned. Are you really trying to test me?

Look, just because YOU'VE never heard from our alien creators, that doesn't mean that they didn't make us. You are using an argument from ignorance again. Anyway, why do you presume that our designers would WANT to communicate with us?

[PowerVine]

You asked how I know that "our alien creators" have not tried to contact us. I replied that IF aliens created us they would be smart enough to know how to communicate with us. Then you ask why I presume they want to communicate with us. I don't presume that we were created by space aliens. That would only lead to the question of who created them. We were created by God who exists outside of time, which he created, and he has communicated with us in his written word, and the living Word, Jesus.

[pytel1234]

Yes, You're right, that would only lead to the question of who created them. And if You presume that we were created by God, it would only lead to the question of who created him...

[PowerVine]

By the way, you surprised me that you could answer the question about Jonathan Wells' excellent book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design." I didn't think that you actually read it. At least I know now that you read page 83. What Wells has to say is anything but "lame."

[Explitiv3]

I don't see design, i see the shortest and easist form of change found in nature. An designer is not needed in order for angular momentum to occur. The roration of gasses compressed to from a soild disk is the outcome of temp and pressure not design.

[REsplin82]

Good presentation until 2:24

[GEERUP]

All Truth is God's Truth Be it 2+2=4 or Fractals His Handy work is all around us. I Thank HIM for eyes to see.

[Elvisdogg]

Maybe nature uses various mathematical ratios... because they are, NATURAL? like a natural logarithm?

This is not good evidence for support of the idea of god. Quite the contrary.

[windshield48]

What does the word "natural" mean? Is this the compensation if we exclude that there is a Creator?

A simple thing as a picture: A room we left in chaos...will it come in order if nobody is doing anything? Will it be made from nothing ?

If we all exist by coincidence there would be nobody

responsible for anything? Did really everything come out of nothing? So we all are going to nowhere?

I must ask you: who is nature for you? A person?

Is nature intelligent?

[Muzaloth]

this is a good question, it was in the back of my mind and now you have put the words to it.. from what I'm reading your reasoning seems correct to me.

[drsnk]

The same questions I ask. How does "nature" keep equilibrium in evrything. Quantum Mechanics will help answer some of these questions and probably open up may more.

[kukulcan12]

Why do some people assume that if there is an obvious pattern in nature, that this proves a supreme being exists called God? How presumptuous that is to make that leap, who is to say matter didn't just manifest that way in our particular universe, as it could have manifested in countless other ways! Who is to say that matter hasn't manifested in countless other ways in other universes? So narrow minded some people are. Please show me the proof, or even strong evidence.

[windshield48]

I think that it`s like a fingerprint, but much more...

If you build a car or a rocket there people say nothing in this perfect thing is coincidence.Everything has beeen planned and constructed thoroughly. And even more complicated is life in time and space!!!

[Muzaloth]

kukulcan12, why do you assume that it doesn't? the proof you ask for doesn't come on a silver platter, presented to your ego by a magic servant called G-d..

stop presuming what's presumptuous.. it's obvious, your mind isn't prepared to handle this mystery.

[DayfallKat]

1. Assume God exists.

2. Cool things exist.

3. God likes cool things.

4. Cool things prove God exists. Q.E.D.

Just say 1+1=2 proves Jesus.

[drsnk]

The atheist will tell you it's a coincidence. Everything is a coincedence or a chemical reaction in the brain, to them. Good video, five stars!

[Muzaloth]

drsnk, you surprised me here, I didn't realize you leaned toward faith.

[drsnk]

Very much so. There is no hope in atheism.

[Muzaloth]

Kudos friend

[mavaddat]

This video has nothing to do with God or atheism. There are good mathematical reasons for all of those spirals! No need to invoke design.

[drsnk]

blah blah blah

[PowerVine]

And who created the mathematical principles?

[mavaddat]

Fibonacci and Gauss created the mathematical principles. Many scientists observed that nature mimicked the Fibonacci ratio. Nature mimics the Fibonacci ratio because of a dependence of atoms to one another. The atoms depend on one another because of quantum mechanical laws. And we don't yet know for sure what causes the laws themselves. Ignorance, however, is not an excuse to invoke a God, since we might be able to explain these things one day without invoking Gods.

[PowerVine]

Fibonacci and Gauss did not CREATE the mathematical principles, they only DISCOVERED them. The one who created the mathematical principles also created the atoms.

[mavaddat]

You are confused about math. Fibonacci and Gauss were MATHEMATICIANS. Mathematicians don't MAKE OBSERVATIONS. Neither do they DISCOVER anything. They invent math from their minds, which is ONLY LATER seen to correspond to nature by scientists. Besides, you are arguing from ignorance. You don't actually know why nature is the way it is, so you ascribe its characteristics to God. As I said, ignorance is not an excuse to believe in God. It is only an excuse to say "I don't know."

[TruthCeeker333]

mavaddat, you strive after secret knowledge that will always elude you. Your pursuit is no different than the gnostics of the Second Century C.E. The gnostics believed that to know God one needed secret knowledge. As you state, "Ignorance is not an excuse to invoke a god," but the flaw of gnosticism is that one can never know God outside of faith. You are however, free to not believe in God, so Peace to you.

[mavaddat]

I strive after secret knowledge? I'm not sure what you mean. On the contrary, I strive after public knowledge. I strive after a knowledge that can be demonstrated persuasively to not just myself, but everyone. I do not believe in Gods because, despite searching earnestly, I found no evidence for any Gods.

[TruthCeeker333]

Mavaddat, As I said, "Secret Knowledge," you strive for evidence for gods, but you will find none. I suppose if you "found" some evidence you would believe in gods? This is gnosticism. You will never see any gods without faith. Peace to you.

[mavaddat]

I understand what you mean now: There is no evidence for God, so in order to believe in God, we must turn off our rational faculties and believe just for the sake of believing. We must make an exception to our normal standards of what counts as knowledge (justified true belief) and believe even without justification. Thus, although belief in Gods may be useless, one may achieve it by faith. In fact, one may use "faith" to believe in anything. Thank you for clarifying that.

[TruthCeeker333]

Mavaddat, Even if there was abundant evidence for gods (as many people affirm there is), you still would not have faith because you think that the gods or god can be proven. Even in a so called after life, god or gods cannot be fully understood, and yet you place this restriction upon faith. In doing so you turn the definition of god or gods into "not god," because you believe that you can prove god or gods, but you cannot. God is by definition uncomprehendable.

[mavaddat]

When did I say that Gods can be proven? I do not necessarily believe such a thing. It is important that we first understand what we mean by "God." If God is "by definition" incomprehensible, then it is belief in God is incomprehensible. God, for you, is meaningless. For others, God is not meaningless. I do not believe in your God as you define it just as I do not believe in )*&%*. ")*&%*" is incomprehensible too.

[TruthCeeker333]

Mavaddat, When did you say that gods can be proven? When you stated above, "I found no evidence for any gods," and now you deny that you are trying to prove any gods' existence! I will ignore this obvious logical flaw and move on to the rest of your comment. God by definition cannot be fully understood and therefore God's existence cannot be proven because God cannot be fully comprehended. It takes faith to believe in gods or a god. Faith is not a mental understanding.

[mavaddat]

There is more than one definition of God. I was asking evidence for the God whose handiwork is seen in nature. Just because YOUR definition of "God" is one that requires faith without evidence, that doesn't make it everyone's view. Now, you believe God can be (partially) understood. Pray tell: how may we understand God?

[TruthCeeker333]

As I stated, your definition of "God" is "not god," so enjoy your quest for "Secret Knowledge." We cannot understand God. Peace to you.

[mavaddat]

You know nothing about God because you don't understand God. So why are you here claiming to speak about God? If God cannot be comprehended, then how is it that you comprehend that it cannot be comprehended? Where did that knowledge of God come from? If you just define "God" that way, then why do you think it is correct? Is every definition of "God" equally valid?

[PowerVine]

We can know there is a God without fully understanding him. More than that we can know God in a personal way through Jesus, who was God in the flesh. How can you ask for 'evidence for the God whose handiwork is seen in nature'? Can't you see his handiwork?

[mavaddat]

You're right that we can have a partial understanding without having a full understanding. However, it seemed as if your cohort (TruthCeeker333) was claiming that we cannot understand God (at all!). So which of you is correct? He says that there is no evidence for God except faith, and you say that we can see God's handiwork. Who is right? How shall we know?

[PowerVine]

I think it requires a combination of evidence and faith. We can see evidence of God, but we can't see God. Do we reject the evidence of creation because we can't see the Creator? Or do we allow faith to fill the gap between what we see and what we can't see with our eyes. The Bible says faith is "the evidence of things not seen."

[mavaddat]

I think you have a very scientific mind. I prefer your approach to TruthCeeker333's esoteric nonsense. So what is this evidence of a creator? What creation do you see that requires a creator? Nature is obviously natural, and so requires no creator. Nature is without any purpose or end in mind. So what do you have in mind?

[TruthCeeker333]

Mavaddat, I think your ideas are the esoteric ones. You seem to think that "god's" existence can be proven. Who are you to be so special as to be able to understand the existence of God?

[PowerVine]

You indicate that you can look at nature and not see any design or purpose. Many scientists who don't believe in God can see what appears to be design or purpose and they try to explain it away. Evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr wrote that natural selection is important because it enables the Darwinist to explain design 'by natural means.' Richard Dawkins, scientist and atheist, wrote, 'biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.'

[mavaddat]

I'm not sure I understand your point. I am familiar with how Dawkins and Mayr "explain away" design. What does this have to do with evidence for God's handiwork in nature?

[PowerVine]

Dawkins and Mayr can see evidence of design in nature and they explain it away. Your eyes are so closed that you can't even see the evidence. There is none so blind as the person who refuses to see.

[mavaddat]

You haven't presented a single piece of evidence and you accuse me of being close minded. I understand you are afraid, but please... what is the evidence for your God?

[PowerVine]

Read the last sentence of my previous comment. Thanks, you made my point.

[mavaddat]

You haven't presented anything TO BE SEEN. Your argument just begs the question of whether there is in fact any evidence. Don't be so smug and arrogant. Present your facts and if they support your claim, I will surely accept them.

[TruthCeeker333]

I am not required to prove anything regarding God, but you are required to prove that "gods" or "god" exist, so go ahead and try to prove that "god" exists. You can't prove that "god" exists, so isn't that evidence enough that "god" cannot be comprehended by our mind? Peace to you.

[gpstudio]

Good video.

[PsalmEins]

this is how GREAT our GOD is !!!

thanks for posting. GOD bless you.

[Muzaloth]

wonderful, excellent vid.. I've been interested in examples of the golden spiral in nature for years in the mathematics of creation.

[TheCalculusMan]

Great Video!

[PowerVine]

Thanks.