The moral market, is what america should and can naturally move towards. More and more, customers have the power to vote for the companies that they believe to be ethical and who think about the little guys, like chipotle as an example, and vote against the fat cats. If this trend is brought out by social media, we can see real progress in the ethics of business
OMFG, the point of it all was that minor tax increase (not actually increase, just returning the tax rate to level as it was under Clinton) is NOT socialism.
Maher's idiotic comments illustrate the classic liberal fallacy. That is that economics is a zero sum game. The reality is that if someone wants to accumulate more pizza (money), they need to employ others and pay them in order to accumulate it. If the man at the top accumulating the most pizza desires more pizza (and we all know demand is unlimited), then he will have to hire more people and pay them more pizza to prevent them from working for another man also accumulating a lot of pizza.
@bigmattdb exactly, the pie (or in this case the pizza) is always expanding under capitalism, and at quite a large rate at that. The critique of capitalism should not fall on to those who create wealth, as that wealth creation should be awarded accordingly. the real culprits are those wall street day traders who make money on mathematical fluctuations and profit without actually adding any real value to society.
@KrunchyJD imagine two people one is a waitress and one is a welder they may both work equally as hard, but the welder gets paid more because of the value of his services. maybe the waitress should go into the trades.
@jhillst so what? are you implying that his partners got cheated because they contributed a majority of work and got a minority of the wealth? they had choice, they decided that more money would be made from 20% of the profits, divided between the workers then if they made a deal with someone else for making pizza at a set price for their services. they are happy with the deal and ok with the organizer getting 80% of the profits.options and choice make things fair.
If you actually look at the tax data table 3.5 at IRS DOT GOV and apply it to the pizza analogy, you'll see that if 100 people pooled their money for 100 slices of pizza at $1 per slice, the poorest 45 get their slice for 6 cents per slice. The richest 5 people have to pay $10 per slice. Of the $100 paid for the 100 slices of pizza $94 of it is paid by 55 people. The facts don't lie Mr. Maher.
Yours and my earnings do not belong to everyone like some pizza pie to be shared.
@dhosebag lol wow another amurican who thinks they know how economics works...
your use of the analogy is flawed...100 people pool 100$ for 1 hundred slice pizza...1 man taking 80 slices means for his 1 dollar he gets 80% of the product while each other person gets 0.2 % of the product (if you split the remaining 20 slices amongst the remaining 99 ppl approx) so no poor people are not paying less, they are putting more money collectively and getting screwed, go back to math class son.
@Dangler21 Your problem, beside the fact that you need to go back to 3rd grade and learn to spell the word American, is that you think that all earnings in America are to be split evenly among everyone. That is NOT American. That is some non-existent utopian socialist state. The FACT is that in the American tax system you have 47 of the 100 that are paying nothing and they still get a slice of pizza. Your emotional argument doesn't hold up with the FACTS. Look at the ACTUAL data fool.
@strapuff Gini is irrelevant. This theory doesn't take into account non monetary forms of income. It is also irrelevant to compare, using Gini, a country with the population and size of a single United State with the whole country.
This is really a dumb analogy. You can't compare a pizza to all the money in America. A pizza is limited. All the money in America is unlimited- constantly growing.
@skaggmo okay, so they order the same pizza every day and every day that fat-ass greedy son of a bitch takes 80 slices. And that way of thinking of it adds the question: why the fuck do the other 99 people always put up with that shit?
@Stevie2Sxc thats a good question and can be explained by looking at human psychology. The normal person has a comfort zone created by the society that they live in, and it takes an outstanding person to break those rules. Many entrepreneurs live by that motto that a new world is possible, and start to combat the greedy 80 slice taker. However, unfourtunately, what you see too much of is these people slowly becoming that greedy fat ass, and it becomes a cycle. If all 99 people fought : equality
@wangsta25 if it seams unfair to you then become a CEO. imagine a basketball player, being upset at a professional for getting millions of $ when he makes only a living for the same job. they train the same but the professional is better than him. 4x better then everyone on the team combined. but if he works hard he can become a professional just like the middle class man becoming a CEO. CEOs are better the office workers when working in the big leagues.
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they are not stealing your pizza they worked for it, the only difference is that they work 4x harder then everyone else put together. i dont take your pizza because its yours, not mine. and whats mine is not yours not even a slice.
@strapuff The big issue with capitalism is that it makes a shit ton of money for a couple of people, that being said, if those people who are striking it rich are more nouveau rich (im thinking entrepreneurs), then capitalism would work so much better
You all think that the upper X% (pick a number) is some static group of people who are a part of the lucky sperm club. This is what makes America great. People are moving in or out of that X% all of the time. Examples: Donald Trump. He has been in and out of that X% numerous times. The graffiti artist who painted Facebook's office for stock payment. He will soon have $200M in wealth. The thing with capitalism is that we all have the opportunity to share in its fruits.
@rtfuld0dger Don't get me wrong, I love caplitalism, and its exactly for this reason. The problem with it is that when you open up money be up for grabs from the "talented" you have to define "talented" Equal opportunity can only be achieved with actual educational reform. I myself love the rags to riches that can only stem from such a free system. The real question is: can we make it freeer.
@Anonymous77513 the CEO of a big corporation works just as hard as a middle class family who's busting their ass at work everyday. And another thing, if u work 4x harder then why do u get 80x the amount? The wealthy are getting anywhere from 20 to 1,200 times what the average middle class family makes, so does that mean the wealthy worked 20-1,200 times harder?!
@Anonymous77513 the hardest working people you'll ever see in your life are also some of the poorest. You can't make me believe for one minute that Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or the fucking Koch brothers work harder than some migrant farm worker or day laborer. fuck that noise.
@Anonymous77513 Your comment is predicated on the idea that monetary wealth in the US is garnered strictly through honest hard work. It's very nostalgic of you, as this is the ideal upheld by the theoretical yet failed American Dream. Even if the 1% richest people had honestly earned 80% of America's wealth, that's still 80% of America's wealth, and is not only a gross imbalance of power but also a disparagement of the lower classes.
@Anonymous77513 Ethical business practices, even if they were what you hope for, are no excuse for the rise of a Plutocracy. As it is, American businesses aren't so altruistic; corporate insider trading, espionage, fraud, murder, trespassing, assault, larceny, etc are all realities; and are so because of how well they pay off.
@Anonymous77513 No one can earn 80% of a pizza (i.e., get rich) on his own. Others have to help.
Corporations work like this: Someone wants to make a pizza. So, he gets one person to make the dough, another to add the tomato sauce, another to cook the meat, another to cut the veggies, another to make the cheese, another to slice the mushrooms, and another to bake it. Then when it's done, the first guy eats 80% of the pizza while the others who did most of the work split the remaining 20%.
@Anonymous77513 So you think the biggest difference between the poor and the rich is how hard they work? What a load of rubbish. Plenty of low income earners work dam hard, and there are people who are filthy rich who hardly work at all.
I'm for the GOP. Give millionaires back exactly what they paid - with reasonable interest and not one cent more when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, VA, any government assistance. I watched a lady that inherited $2 million during her last 6 months of cancer. Medicare paid all her medical bills and she drew a SS check off her husband. She never worked or paid into the system. She died with $2 million dollars in the bank and with America in more debt than any time in history.
@lvll138inrs Why shouldnt the rich be taxed? They dont create jobs. When you give tax breaks to the richest, they spend the money on themselves. The richest 1% have more money than the bottom 150 million ppl combined. I depend on the government to guarantee me this: medicare. Social security. Education. Housing. And Employment with A living wage. if you belive in a deregulated free market, then i suggest you look at what happened in 1929.
tamu77095: probabaly some self hating white organization. because this black conservative doesn't want it(shocked,yeah we're out here )!!! Liberals are who keep our people down, by always telling us how abused we are and that the Government "owes" us everything and in doing so keepfrom wanting to advance. Bill Cosby tells it like it is and our people call him an "uncle tom" and "Oreo". YOU and your guilt ridden fellow whites are the REAL problem.
Bill you FUCKIN' hypocrite, if your self hating white liberal ass hates it so much why don't YOU donate ALL your money to the less fortunate??? another rich liberal talking out his ASS !!!
@use2slam2 he's said on many occasions that he would gladely pay more taxes. Furthermore you should look where he plans to donate his wealth after he dies.
You see, and this is where people who don't know what their talking about show their ignorance.
Trade is not a zero sum game! If I have more pizza slices, it doesn't mean that you get less. If a rich person has an extra dollar, it doesn't mean that a poor person has a dollar less.
Christ people... it's not that difficult. All it takes to follow the free market is respect for individual liberty and basic economic understanding.
@oranged12345 You bet I'm angry. Idiots are running wild acting like America is still facing "The Red Menace" and believe the Rich are to be worshiped.
@oranged12345 If you don't believe in a small, regulated social redistribution system as a safety network, read about the BOLSA FAMÍLIA in Brazil, or FLEXICURITY in northern countries.
Thank you for telling it like it is, Bill Maher! Make the rich pay their fair share! They'll still be able to afford a new Lexus LS460 every year. Meanwhile, some poor person with, say, severe asthma will get to live.
@oranged12345 For instance, better regulation and more taxation on the financial market. Taxation on the huge bonuses that CEO's are allowed to benefit and that contributed to the actual crisis. But not everything has to be about taxation, better regulation of the markets. Better regulation of companies that are big enough to actually affect the future of the entire planet, not only America. BTW, I'm not an American, therefore my strong opinions about your policies that screw my life...
@oranged12345 That would never be the case. I'm talking about the relationship between effort and reward. I agree that someone that works and invests and creates jobs and provides progress SHOULD be rewarded in a much better way than the rest. The problem is that history shows that huge gaps between classes were never good. The system becomes unfair when the poor classes are so poor they cannot leave poverty. Look at Brazil, for instance. Huge gaps, no middle class. Fair system?
@oranged12345 You should know the facts beforehand. Greece's problems had nothing to do with taxes, they demolished their real economy and invested only on tourism when they entered the EU. Besides, they retired at 58 with full benifits and they've masked their uhge debt wiht the help of Goldman Sachs, an American corporation. It's easy to compare with the worse case. What about Sweeden, Denmark or Norway? Almost 50% of all income is tax over there.
@oranged12345 You idiot. The wealthy in question don't hire people. They don't create jobs, they don't even produce products. They spend time on golf courses and hire lawyers to deal with their portfolios so they won't get a phone call from some stock broker in the middle of their backswing.
Actually, what's happening is the rich take the 80 slices and then tells the teabagers that the Unions and the government are taking the remaining ten slices.
@oranged12345 First, you clearly are not familiarized with the governments in Europe. Secondly, Americans think that anything below savage capitalism is SOCIALISM. Your real world isn't black or white. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer - FACT - means something IS wrong. OF COURSE there should be rich people that invest and create new jobs that will hopefully make them MORE rich. But do you know what led to the mortgage crisis? Are you informed?
I know very well what lead to the subprime mortgage crisis, and it has about as much to do with free markets as does the FED.
"Savage" Capitalism as you call it doesn't exist. Corporatism on the other hand though does. However, that can't exist without interference from the government.
Oh not that fucking pizza analogy again its the oldest left wing trick in the book. Only problem is its complete bullshit and people who repeat it show how stupid they are.
@scotts689 You have not presented a single argument to back your claims. For me, one of the definitions of stupidity is having opinions based on clichés.
@strapuff You mention cliches what would you call the pizza analogy. I cannot think of a clearer example of a cliche than that. The pizza analogy has been run through the mill by economists over and over again. The only people who repeat it now are politicians who do it for political gain and people like bill maher. It is very difficult to say everything you would want to say on youtube but you should go read some hayek or even milton friedman on this subject. Oh and they use a pie instead.
@scotts689 Of course the real world doesn't work that way. The real analogy would be the guy with the idea of buying the pizza slices tell the other ones to work for it because he had the idea and then gets the 80 slices as reward. He would of course invest 50 slices so he could get more guys to work for more slices. But for sure 30 slices would be to tilt the table even more to his side, lobbying, having access to better health, lawyers, education for their kids, etc.
@strapuff The issue here is no one should be taking away 80 slices as a reward. Yes, a reward should be taken, but in order for society to advance, a reasonable reward should be given to those working for them, a wage above poverty level maybe?
And don't say it is because I am a middle class liberal whiner. My grandfather was the CEO of a very successful gold jewelry factory. He made a lot of money off of it, and at the end of the year when all the investments were made and the actual profit was
@wherethefanimafan there he took a bonus for himself, yes, but he also gave a bonus to every worker in the factory so they could have extra money for christmas presents.
However, that's in another country, and as Bill Maher says, that's socialism. But his workers were happy, they didn't have to form unions or fight for their rights. That is how corporations should work. If they work like this, none of these problems would happen.
@scotts689 Republicans make the claim Reagan was our greatest President. They want to name everything after him. When he died they wanted to put him on the dime.
Which is about what the dollar was worth by the time he left office.
@scotts689 explain your thinking then. What is flawed in using this analogy? I don't like it when people insult and use inappropriate words without explaining their thinking.
To the previous comment, that income does not generate new businesses, not here anyways. Italy will probably be ecstatic because they're buying ferraris. And illegal immigrants could work in their mansions.
In the words of Michael Moore, Americans uphold the rich because they're the American Dream. The middle class fights for the high class because maybe, just maybe one day, they will too be high class as well. Soon, they'll realize high class is too heavy to carry any more.
@wherethefanimafan A majority of White Males in this country are convinced they're going to be rich some day and also believe they're irresistible to women. It isn't until ten years from retirement at 55 when they realize the truth. It's no coincidence that there's a spike in suicides at that age.
80% of all "new" income goes to those who create new businesses that generate that new income. How unfair that those who risk their wealth should reap the rewards when successful. The first person who says he works for a poor man will be the first.
@spikey12895 Ok, so only 1% of America creates new wealth and therefore they receive 80% of all the income. The other 99% must have the intelligence of a cockroach then... Since I'm not an American, that conclusion pretty much confirms the rest of the wolrd's opinion about America.
The moral market, is what america should and can naturally move towards. More and more, customers have the power to vote for the companies that they believe to be ethical and who think about the little guys, like chipotle as an example, and vote against the fat cats. If this trend is brought out by social media, we can see real progress in the ethics of business
asdf666ish 3 days ago
OMFG, the point of it all was that minor tax increase (not actually increase, just returning the tax rate to level as it was under Clinton) is NOT socialism.
hejcoze 1 month ago
Maher's idiotic comments illustrate the classic liberal fallacy. That is that economics is a zero sum game. The reality is that if someone wants to accumulate more pizza (money), they need to employ others and pay them in order to accumulate it. If the man at the top accumulating the most pizza desires more pizza (and we all know demand is unlimited), then he will have to hire more people and pay them more pizza to prevent them from working for another man also accumulating a lot of pizza.
bigmattdb 1 month ago
@bigmattdb exactly, the pie (or in this case the pizza) is always expanding under capitalism, and at quite a large rate at that. The critique of capitalism should not fall on to those who create wealth, as that wealth creation should be awarded accordingly. the real culprits are those wall street day traders who make money on mathematical fluctuations and profit without actually adding any real value to society.
asdf666ish 3 days ago
@KrunchyJD imagine two people one is a waitress and one is a welder they may both work equally as hard, but the welder gets paid more because of the value of his services. maybe the waitress should go into the trades.
Anonymous77513 2 months ago
Funny that guy paid 80% of the bill, and about half didn't pay anything at all.
thirdbase314159 2 months ago
@jhillst so what? are you implying that his partners got cheated because they contributed a majority of work and got a minority of the wealth? they had choice, they decided that more money would be made from 20% of the profits, divided between the workers then if they made a deal with someone else for making pizza at a set price for their services. they are happy with the deal and ok with the organizer getting 80% of the profits.options and choice make things fair.
Anonymous77513 3 months ago
Yea Bill :-)
KaristaSwiss 4 months ago
If you actually look at the tax data table 3.5 at IRS DOT GOV and apply it to the pizza analogy, you'll see that if 100 people pooled their money for 100 slices of pizza at $1 per slice, the poorest 45 get their slice for 6 cents per slice. The richest 5 people have to pay $10 per slice. Of the $100 paid for the 100 slices of pizza $94 of it is paid by 55 people. The facts don't lie Mr. Maher.
Yours and my earnings do not belong to everyone like some pizza pie to be shared.
dhosebag 4 months ago
@dhosebag lol wow another amurican who thinks they know how economics works...
your use of the analogy is flawed...100 people pool 100$ for 1 hundred slice pizza...1 man taking 80 slices means for his 1 dollar he gets 80% of the product while each other person gets 0.2 % of the product (if you split the remaining 20 slices amongst the remaining 99 ppl approx) so no poor people are not paying less, they are putting more money collectively and getting screwed, go back to math class son.
Dangler21 4 months ago
@Dangler21 Your problem, beside the fact that you need to go back to 3rd grade and learn to spell the word American, is that you think that all earnings in America are to be split evenly among everyone. That is NOT American. That is some non-existent utopian socialist state. The FACT is that in the American tax system you have 47 of the 100 that are paying nothing and they still get a slice of pizza. Your emotional argument doesn't hold up with the FACTS. Look at the ACTUAL data fool.
dhosebag 4 months ago
@dhosebag That's why America is so low on the Gini coefficient
strapuff 3 months ago
@strapuff Gini is irrelevant. This theory doesn't take into account non monetary forms of income. It is also irrelevant to compare, using Gini, a country with the population and size of a single United State with the whole country.
rtfuld0dger 3 days ago
This is really a dumb analogy. You can't compare a pizza to all the money in America. A pizza is limited. All the money in America is unlimited- constantly growing.
skaggmo 5 months ago
@skaggmo okay, so they order the same pizza every day and every day that fat-ass greedy son of a bitch takes 80 slices. And that way of thinking of it adds the question: why the fuck do the other 99 people always put up with that shit?
Stevie2Sxc 4 months ago
@Stevie2Sxc thats a good question and can be explained by looking at human psychology. The normal person has a comfort zone created by the society that they live in, and it takes an outstanding person to break those rules. Many entrepreneurs live by that motto that a new world is possible, and start to combat the greedy 80 slice taker. However, unfourtunately, what you see too much of is these people slowly becoming that greedy fat ass, and it becomes a cycle. If all 99 people fought : equality
asdf666ish 3 days ago
@wangsta25 if it seams unfair to you then become a CEO. imagine a basketball player, being upset at a professional for getting millions of $ when he makes only a living for the same job. they train the same but the professional is better than him. 4x better then everyone on the team combined. but if he works hard he can become a professional just like the middle class man becoming a CEO. CEOs are better the office workers when working in the big leagues.
Anonymous77513 5 months ago
you mean like that retard Thomas Paine ?
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stevespell2 6 months ago
they are not stealing your pizza they worked for it, the only difference is that they work 4x harder then everyone else put together. i dont take your pizza because its yours, not mine. and whats mine is not yours not even a slice.
Anonymous77513 6 months ago
@Anonymous77513 4x more work = 4x more money?
strapuff 5 months ago
@strapuff The big issue with capitalism is that it makes a shit ton of money for a couple of people, that being said, if those people who are striking it rich are more nouveau rich (im thinking entrepreneurs), then capitalism would work so much better
asdf666ish 1 month ago
You all think that the upper X% (pick a number) is some static group of people who are a part of the lucky sperm club. This is what makes America great. People are moving in or out of that X% all of the time. Examples: Donald Trump. He has been in and out of that X% numerous times. The graffiti artist who painted Facebook's office for stock payment. He will soon have $200M in wealth. The thing with capitalism is that we all have the opportunity to share in its fruits.
rtfuld0dger 3 days ago
@rtfuld0dger Don't get me wrong, I love caplitalism, and its exactly for this reason. The problem with it is that when you open up money be up for grabs from the "talented" you have to define "talented" Equal opportunity can only be achieved with actual educational reform. I myself love the rags to riches that can only stem from such a free system. The real question is: can we make it freeer.
asdf666ish 3 days ago
@Anonymous77513 the CEO of a big corporation works just as hard as a middle class family who's busting their ass at work everyday. And another thing, if u work 4x harder then why do u get 80x the amount? The wealthy are getting anywhere from 20 to 1,200 times what the average middle class family makes, so does that mean the wealthy worked 20-1,200 times harder?!
wangsta25 5 months ago
@Anonymous77513 the hardest working people you'll ever see in your life are also some of the poorest. You can't make me believe for one minute that Bill Gates or Warren Buffet or the fucking Koch brothers work harder than some migrant farm worker or day laborer. fuck that noise.
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@Anonymous77513 You're brainwashed if you truly believe that.
PremiumPIus 4 months ago
@Anonymous77513 Your comment is predicated on the idea that monetary wealth in the US is garnered strictly through honest hard work. It's very nostalgic of you, as this is the ideal upheld by the theoretical yet failed American Dream. Even if the 1% richest people had honestly earned 80% of America's wealth, that's still 80% of America's wealth, and is not only a gross imbalance of power but also a disparagement of the lower classes.
GimmieUtoob 4 months ago
@Anonymous77513 Ethical business practices, even if they were what you hope for, are no excuse for the rise of a Plutocracy. As it is, American businesses aren't so altruistic; corporate insider trading, espionage, fraud, murder, trespassing, assault, larceny, etc are all realities; and are so because of how well they pay off.
GimmieUtoob 4 months ago
@Anonymous77513 No one can earn 80% of a pizza (i.e., get rich) on his own. Others have to help.
Corporations work like this: Someone wants to make a pizza. So, he gets one person to make the dough, another to add the tomato sauce, another to cook the meat, another to cut the veggies, another to make the cheese, another to slice the mushrooms, and another to bake it. Then when it's done, the first guy eats 80% of the pizza while the others who did most of the work split the remaining 20%.
jhillst 3 months ago
@Anonymous77513 So you think the biggest difference between the poor and the rich is how hard they work? What a load of rubbish. Plenty of low income earners work dam hard, and there are people who are filthy rich who hardly work at all.
KrunchyJD 2 months ago
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I'm for the GOP. Give millionaires back exactly what they paid - with reasonable interest and not one cent more when it comes to Social Security, Medicare, VA, any government assistance. I watched a lady that inherited $2 million during her last 6 months of cancer. Medicare paid all her medical bills and she drew a SS check off her husband. She never worked or paid into the system. She died with $2 million dollars in the bank and with America in more debt than any time in history.
vechorik 6 months ago
liberals are fucking retarded.
TheL2hang 7 months ago
@TheL2hang please explain, liberals are no more retarded than poor conservatives who vote against their own interests
wangsta25 6 months ago
taxing the rich is basically stealing. you shouldn't depend on the government.
lvll138inrs 8 months ago
@lvll138inrs Why shouldnt the rich be taxed? They dont create jobs. When you give tax breaks to the richest, they spend the money on themselves. The richest 1% have more money than the bottom 150 million ppl combined. I depend on the government to guarantee me this: medicare. Social security. Education. Housing. And Employment with A living wage. if you belive in a deregulated free market, then i suggest you look at what happened in 1929.
Kimmis1990 7 months ago
tamu77095: probabaly some self hating white organization. because this black conservative doesn't want it(shocked,yeah we're out here )!!! Liberals are who keep our people down, by always telling us how abused we are and that the Government "owes" us everything and in doing so keepfrom wanting to advance. Bill Cosby tells it like it is and our people call him an "uncle tom" and "Oreo". YOU and your guilt ridden fellow whites are the REAL problem.
use2slam2 8 months ago
SO. MUCH. WIN!
IcyNami 9 months ago
Bill you FUCKIN' hypocrite, if your self hating white liberal ass hates it so much why don't YOU donate ALL your money to the less fortunate??? another rich liberal talking out his ASS !!!
use2slam2 9 months ago
@use2slam2 he's said on many occasions that he would gladely pay more taxes. Furthermore you should look where he plans to donate his wealth after he dies.
tamu77095 8 months ago
You see, and this is where people who don't know what their talking about show their ignorance.
Trade is not a zero sum game! If I have more pizza slices, it doesn't mean that you get less. If a rich person has an extra dollar, it doesn't mean that a poor person has a dollar less.
Christ people... it's not that difficult. All it takes to follow the free market is respect for individual liberty and basic economic understanding.
Start with Milton Friedman
Romeowasbleeding1 9 months ago 2
I'm with you Bill, but I still don't think they'll get it. They think shutting down the Govt is good policy.
sneedgo 10 months ago
Aaaaah. Brilliant!
drieey 11 months ago
@oranged12345 You bet I'm angry. Idiots are running wild acting like America is still facing "The Red Menace" and believe the Rich are to be worshiped.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago 2
@oranged12345 If you don't believe in a small, regulated social redistribution system as a safety network, read about the BOLSA FAMÍLIA in Brazil, or FLEXICURITY in northern countries.
strapuff 11 months ago
@oranged12345 I do not believe you are informed about the mortgage crisis. Please read a book before reposting this slander.
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
Thank you for telling it like it is, Bill Maher! Make the rich pay their fair share! They'll still be able to afford a new Lexus LS460 every year. Meanwhile, some poor person with, say, severe asthma will get to live.
Seasurf88 11 months ago
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@oranged12345 "the also pay about 80% of taxes already! what a moron"
Before payroll taxes came along they paid 100%.
I'd like to see that again.
Think of it, no more taxes on your work.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
@oranged12345 For instance, better regulation and more taxation on the financial market. Taxation on the huge bonuses that CEO's are allowed to benefit and that contributed to the actual crisis. But not everything has to be about taxation, better regulation of the markets. Better regulation of companies that are big enough to actually affect the future of the entire planet, not only America. BTW, I'm not an American, therefore my strong opinions about your policies that screw my life...
strapuff 11 months ago
@oranged12345 That would never be the case. I'm talking about the relationship between effort and reward. I agree that someone that works and invests and creates jobs and provides progress SHOULD be rewarded in a much better way than the rest. The problem is that history shows that huge gaps between classes were never good. The system becomes unfair when the poor classes are so poor they cannot leave poverty. Look at Brazil, for instance. Huge gaps, no middle class. Fair system?
strapuff 11 months ago
@oranged12345 You should know the facts beforehand. Greece's problems had nothing to do with taxes, they demolished their real economy and invested only on tourism when they entered the EU. Besides, they retired at 58 with full benifits and they've masked their uhge debt wiht the help of Goldman Sachs, an American corporation. It's easy to compare with the worse case. What about Sweeden, Denmark or Norway? Almost 50% of all income is tax over there.
strapuff 11 months ago
@oranged12345 You idiot. The wealthy in question don't hire people. They don't create jobs, they don't even produce products. They spend time on golf courses and hire lawyers to deal with their portfolios so they won't get a phone call from some stock broker in the middle of their backswing.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
Actually, what's happening is the rich take the 80 slices and then tells the teabagers that the Unions and the government are taking the remaining ten slices.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
@SpitfireOFatj I'm guessing you have a good explanation for where the other 10 went?
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
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@wherethefanimafan "I'm guessing you have a good explanation for where the other 10 went?"
Those were outsauced.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
@oranged12345 First, you clearly are not familiarized with the governments in Europe. Secondly, Americans think that anything below savage capitalism is SOCIALISM. Your real world isn't black or white. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer - FACT - means something IS wrong. OF COURSE there should be rich people that invest and create new jobs that will hopefully make them MORE rich. But do you know what led to the mortgage crisis? Are you informed?
strapuff 11 months ago 11
@strapuff
I know very well what lead to the subprime mortgage crisis, and it has about as much to do with free markets as does the FED.
"Savage" Capitalism as you call it doesn't exist. Corporatism on the other hand though does. However, that can't exist without interference from the government.
Romeowasbleeding1 9 months ago 2
@oranged12345 Lulz "Every single economy that has used a system of redistribution of wealth had failed"
DexxterMorgan 11 months ago
@oranged12345 Indeed. but 10% of 500 is 50, which can mean one less meal. 10% of 10,000,000 is 100,000, which can mean one less Ferrari.
strapuff 11 months ago 2
Oh not that fucking pizza analogy again its the oldest left wing trick in the book. Only problem is its complete bullshit and people who repeat it show how stupid they are.
scotts689 11 months ago
@scotts689 You have not presented a single argument to back your claims. For me, one of the definitions of stupidity is having opinions based on clichés.
strapuff 11 months ago
@strapuff You mention cliches what would you call the pizza analogy. I cannot think of a clearer example of a cliche than that. The pizza analogy has been run through the mill by economists over and over again. The only people who repeat it now are politicians who do it for political gain and people like bill maher. It is very difficult to say everything you would want to say on youtube but you should go read some hayek or even milton friedman on this subject. Oh and they use a pie instead.
scotts689 11 months ago
@scotts689 Of course the real world doesn't work that way. The real analogy would be the guy with the idea of buying the pizza slices tell the other ones to work for it because he had the idea and then gets the 80 slices as reward. He would of course invest 50 slices so he could get more guys to work for more slices. But for sure 30 slices would be to tilt the table even more to his side, lobbying, having access to better health, lawyers, education for their kids, etc.
strapuff 11 months ago
@strapuff The issue here is no one should be taking away 80 slices as a reward. Yes, a reward should be taken, but in order for society to advance, a reasonable reward should be given to those working for them, a wage above poverty level maybe?
And don't say it is because I am a middle class liberal whiner. My grandfather was the CEO of a very successful gold jewelry factory. He made a lot of money off of it, and at the end of the year when all the investments were made and the actual profit was
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
@wherethefanimafan there he took a bonus for himself, yes, but he also gave a bonus to every worker in the factory so they could have extra money for christmas presents.
However, that's in another country, and as Bill Maher says, that's socialism. But his workers were happy, they didn't have to form unions or fight for their rights. That is how corporations should work. If they work like this, none of these problems would happen.
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
@scotts689 "You mention cliches what would you call the pizza analogy. I cannot think of a clearer example of a cliche than that."
I can.
The often repeated notion that Ronald Reagan what our greatest president when in reality he sucked.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
@SpitfireOFatj I not sure who says he was your greatest president. But if they do yes that would be a very stupid thing to say.
scotts689 11 months ago
@scotts689 Republicans make the claim Reagan was our greatest President. They want to name everything after him. When he died they wanted to put him on the dime.
Which is about what the dollar was worth by the time he left office.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
@scotts689 explain your thinking then. What is flawed in using this analogy? I don't like it when people insult and use inappropriate words without explaining their thinking.
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
Good analogy.
To the previous comment, that income does not generate new businesses, not here anyways. Italy will probably be ecstatic because they're buying ferraris. And illegal immigrants could work in their mansions.
In the words of Michael Moore, Americans uphold the rich because they're the American Dream. The middle class fights for the high class because maybe, just maybe one day, they will too be high class as well. Soon, they'll realize high class is too heavy to carry any more.
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
@wherethefanimafan "Soon, they'll realize high class is too heavy to carry any more."
Hell, most guys in their 50's haven't even realized they're invisible to teenage girls.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
@SpitfireOFatj I'm sorry, maybe my english isn't very good, but what does this 50-year old analogy mean?
wherethefanimafan 11 months ago
@wherethefanimafan A majority of White Males in this country are convinced they're going to be rich some day and also believe they're irresistible to women. It isn't until ten years from retirement at 55 when they realize the truth. It's no coincidence that there's a spike in suicides at that age.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago 13
80% of all "new" income goes to those who create new businesses that generate that new income. How unfair that those who risk their wealth should reap the rewards when successful. The first person who says he works for a poor man will be the first.
spikey12895 11 months ago
@spikey12895 Ok, so only 1% of America creates new wealth and therefore they receive 80% of all the income. The other 99% must have the intelligence of a cockroach then... Since I'm not an American, that conclusion pretty much confirms the rest of the wolrd's opinion about America.
strapuff 11 months ago
@spikey12895 "The first person who says he works for a poor man will be the first."
Oh look everyone, another cliché.
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
Bill Maher must get bored being right
Epistemofo 11 months ago
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@Epistemofo "Bill Maher must get bored being right"
I'm sure time at the Playboy Mansion helps. BFEG
SpitfireOFatj 11 months ago
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Bill Maher isgetting annoying.,..
wodiya 11 months ago