The 5.45x39 is the best assault rifle round for an average soldier, but in special operations (mostly CQB situations) it turned out that this round ricochets extremely. That is why a low ricochet round family (9x39 mm SP-5, SP-9 and SP-9) was created for the Vintorez and the Groza rifles. Only for special operation teams!
@Tobriep81 заткнись урод ты лучше не забывай што наш ак47 ак 74 и другие виды выбрал весь мир а это тоже самое ак как и остольные только для городского боя и оно надёжнае точное аа говно ты и воша М-16 котора ломается посли пары капель воды и грязи которая не годится для боёв действий
@cloudycolacorp Sorry friend, you got that one backwards. I think you mean accuracy of the M-16, Power of a Kalashnikov. The AK-47 fires a 7.62x39mm round, while the M-16 fires a weaker 5.56x45mm round, but is more accurate.
OZ-14''Groza''=AKS74U bullpup system+sillencer,optic and 40mm grenade launcher but it's made only in Russia like other special weapons for special units.
Nice video, but I'd really hate to use a gun with ejection port RIGHT under my eye without any kind of protection system on the gun (like FN2000 has).
@rllang01 The ideal would be to put a quilted cheek rest pad, like the one used in the Dragunov SVU so it would buffer some of the shock created by the bolt group going back and forth and slamming the breech. Also, being the ejection port so close to your face, the smoke that comes out of it irritates the eyes and the mucous of your nose. Currently, the Groza is not being manufactured anymore, the AS VAL
@Sursion7 This gun is a love it or hate it type of gun. Some people like it, some people don't. The reason for this was that with bulpup design in mind for this weapon, it can have the same barrel length of a standard AK, but still be compact while shouldering it. This allows it to have better accuracy, but not sacrifice the barrel length to keep that accuracy.
"Beta" weapon. Even if it is reliable, powerful and efficient, it's and uncomfortable, crude and quie inaccurate weapon. Russians forces (special units) prefers much more classic disigns such as 9a91, SR-3, AS-val, even AKs74U.
Take a swim and come over here...! I believe we issue a rifle to you after you complete immigration stuff.... we welcome all. Come here! work here. Buy a gun. Be an american! Like many haters say.. "we are the mutts of the world" True! but we are mutts with guns!
Century Arms has some cheap bullpup AK rifle if you're interested. It's not worth risking prison time trying to bring a firearm illeagly into the country.
Tis rifle does not look wery comfortable to fire. i mean the dust cover, not much fun in spring, terrible in winter. And sorry, no left-handers. Anyoune know if this one is actually used, or what operational reports are?
Thats because other countries produce illegal version of AK like Bolgaria and even USA illegaly assembles it in Nevada from bolgarian parts (Arsenal Arms). Bolgaria got a tender to arm Iraqi army with AKs. USA approuved it yet noone cares that the production is a blatant rip-off from real Russian AK-74. IZHMASH loses 2 billion dollars annually because of such open robbery.
Yup, dude. Nothing to do about it. Its also easy and cheap to made on crudest technology now available everywhere. and theres other thing too, lot of them that were sold or donated 40-50 years ago are still kicking, so there is no need for new ones... 47's unbeliveably sturdy. Im not sure if bolgarian ones are illegal - i think theyre licensed.
Hm... i googled it, and it seems you're right. First i think they can be pieces assembled from surplus parts (like cz 58s, wich can be bought brand new, althru its decades out of production), but it seems these are still in production. Im also surprised that Iraq got new AK's, I knew they were supposed to rearm to m16 some time ago.
Well, the US can import Russian small arms, but thanks to the surviving clauses from the old ASS-ault Weapons Ban of 1994, we're still stuck with the cheap Romanian copies (BATFE won't let the REAAAAAL Izhmash and Norinco production weapons in).
Don't blame us, blame the fucking liberals and their gay-ass gun control policies. :-P
All I wish could happen is that AK as a name brand gets same protections as any other name brand. I spoke with a man from IZHMASH and he told me that no company that actually has license to make AKs has clause that allows it to arm another country. Only for production for its own armed forces.
I want to own a firearm but i cant. too many pollies wanna look all law-and-order. If i have a gun I can stop almost any assault on me. I dont wanna wait 15 min for cops. by then - too late.
Don't drag Chechnya into this. Lives of others worth nothing to USA too. My mate was deployed to Iraq and he was with a US convoy. when they heard a shot from somewhere off to side and no bullets came their way they just hosed the whole street with .50 cal. So they aren't the saints you show them to be. And in chechnya Russians were fighting armed separatists in first war (which miserably failed) and then later terrorists in second campaign.
Do you honestly believe that every Russian who questions the government disappear? Come on man, thats far from the truth. Í might as well bring the IRA into this.
BTW why are we discussing politics of governments in a channel of a counter-terrorist firearm. A bit out of place to me lol
Why not, you brought up how the world has done you wrong when the rest of the world knows crimes your government has committed with full support of the people (except for those that end up dead).
It not 7.62x39 it 9x39. On a distance of 100 metres a bullet-proof vest 4 classes are not protection from OC-14 Groza. And from AK-47 will protect. Sorry me for my English.
Steyr of course works similar way, what i have in mind is that in AK's (and TAR also if im correct) uses is long stroke system (piston unseparable from bolt carrier), while Aug's system is short stroke (where piston only gives impulse to bolt carrier, but it is not welded to it, and does not travel all the way back with BC).
russian shit,your bastard? wtf hav the uk maked (i mean GOOD weps?)ak was maked in 1950-yrs. and the whole world still useng thath. wath the uk hav maked? just shit guns.
Wow. You know, I had thought up a bullpup design for the AK-47 that wasn't terribly gross looking... Unfortunately, it looks like it's been done already.. DAMN IT! What's sad is that it looks exactly like the concept I drew up, save that the buttstock was lower and the original AK ironsights stayed intact. Personally, I don't like that Handle/Ironsight combination
Wow, you should do some research. the AUG is by no means the first bullpup. The concept was first used in bolt action rifles such as the Thorneycroft carbine of 1901.
L85 is only now a good weapon after H&K revamped them, they initially had terrible problems like the mags dropping out unexpectantly. They still suffer from a slight balance issue that can actually be worked around through a grenade launcher attachment.
i know what u mean about the mags dropping out, ive used the L98A1 Cadet GP version and even with just 20 rounds in the mag it drops out heckler and kock have just recieved an order for a number of new ones to be produced for forces and cadets, the cadet 1 will have semi-auto function aswell but not until 2010
Also, I would doubt anything polaks make. Probably the only thing they good at is complaining. Izraeli weapons deserve some recognition, but no cigar ( except for tavor ). desert eagle sucks, it's barrel is threaded inside by being pressed in and not forging. Therefore it's not accurate.
Also, I would doubt anything polaks make. Probably the only thing they good at is complaining. Izraeli weapons deserve some recognition, but no cigar ( except for tavor ). desert eagle sucks, it's barrel is threaded inside by being pressed in and not forging. Therefore it's not accurate.
This complex Groza was made in 1979 when imi didn't even have in mind tavor. Understand one simlpe rule: any technology coming out public of Russia will be at least 10 to 20 yeras old. Because the current technology is what it's supposed to be: secret. Miltary and Natural resources technologies are espessially closely guarded in Russia. The companies in these sectors are government entities, therefore closely watched and control.
this is the old vertion this one is old graza used in afgan and chechnia by spetz. the new one looks good better ergenomic grip,plastic shell thoe. new russian weapons people see only 5-10yrs after thay alredy used by spetsnaz
old one you cant use suppressor and granade same time too you will die
i agriy for bullpop is better to have usa tipe drop mag design for cumfrot and speed
. new Groza still dont have it. but not beter for abakan or ak i like it on non bulpop more becouse you can use 60 rnd mags or 30 in the same time u.s.a is stuck with dubble stack mags russian design u can use quadruplle stack 60 rnd mags because resever not in way .
if usa copys quadruplle stack mags for ARs thay luse like 15 rnd in same size mag as AK
and an update there is a US company that has coped the RU. 60rnd mag but its a 50rnd quad mag for the ar (hint: this company sells the moast expencive AR 120rnd drum mag on the market)
the bad thing about russina guns is that the magazine ejection system is crap, you flip the switch, like any other magazine release, but you have to tug and yank the magazine. THE M16 and the AR15 just drop the magazine free fall when you hit the switch. They need to fix that design flaw, reloading an AK is a pain in the neck when you're timed. and putting them ack in is a pain too. jiggling it aorund just to get it to lock
It's a trade off really. The AR-15 magazines have problems being suppourted in the mag well on just one side by the mag catch, and their light construction has them bend, deform, and overseat easily leading to the highly common feed problems.
The Kalashnikov magazines are clunky and slow to swap, but they're over built and suppourted front to back in the gun when seated, and rarely suffer from feed issues.
It IS an ugly gun but I bet it works great. I can see it being ideal for spetsnaz and motorized infantry. It would suck to have to fire it left handed though...with the cocking handle moving right by your face 8/
ah- is htis the 762x39 ?? cant believe that it sounds so light... this must be the silencable 9mm variant wiht 20 rounds magazine. right? i dont understand anyrussian you know. i jsut know htey say "[grasa] instead [grousa]"
what a goofy gun. goffy in a good way. i think the russians shudda done somethin tith the PPSH-41 or PPD-40, although the PPD became the PPSh... I still think they shudda branched from the PPSh
"actually it's not, the Vepr is the just the bullpup version of the ak, and somewhat shitty one the Groza was originally a 9mm cqc weapon, later they also issued a 7.62mm variant for better stopping power."
Groza is the same bullpup version of AK74, maybe a bit more converted. I repeat, bullpup is the stubidest thing I've ever saw.
At least this stupid thing can be aimed without an aimpoint. If you take the dot off the Vepr you have an AK rear sight and a really tall front sight which makes for the dumbest idea of all time.
The same idiotism as the Ukrainian Vepr assault rifle - absolutely unusable scheme, the whole head is over the rifle, absolutely no chance in close combat and so on. A project of winning money from the government.
actually it's not, the Vepr is the just the bullpup version of the ak, and somewhat shitty one the Groza was originally a 9mm cqc weapon, later they also issued a 7.62mm variant for better stopping power.
YEah, and the Vepr is a piece of crap. It's a mash of different weapons. Noticed the M-16 sight? Lukasheno said it was added specially to show unity of NATO and Ukraine. What an ass-kisser.
As well as smartasses such as the one who said bullpups are the "stupidest things he ever saw". Man, I swear, people here in YouTube are fucking retards.
bullpups are stupid,.. you can not fire weak handed, the trigger mechanism is more brittle because you are forced to use a long linking system, and how are you supposed to change mags while keeping the weapon on target?
Groza is AK-based too, can be clearly seen on the vid. It comes in 3 calibers now, 5,45, 7,62 and 9 mm. 9 mm SP5/6 is just a necked up 7,62 housing heavy subsonic bullet. Also fired by Val,Vintorez.
Whole head over rifle might be a fault, if you're lying prone in some trench. But in CQB you will not want to lean low to reach your sights. You will walk or run fast, not crawl, so it's nice to have your sights up there, and good open field of view around it, not blocked by receiver.
The 5.45x39 is the best assault rifle round for an average soldier, but in special operations (mostly CQB situations) it turned out that this round ricochets extremely. That is why a low ricochet round family (9x39 mm SP-5, SP-9 and SP-9) was created for the Vintorez and the Groza rifles. Only for special operation teams!
akibmatf 6 months ago
Looks like shit. Another Kalashnikov derived weapon... Obviously the Russians are not creative thinkers anymore.
Tobriep81 9 months ago
@Tobriep81
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Overtherate 9 months ago
@Tobriep81
not only that, they make a weapon ideal for room clearing yet defeat the purpose of cqb by attaching a grenade launcher to it .__.
milkjugman666 9 months ago
@milkjugman666 I don't think you use grenade launchers in CQB my friend.
esh325 8 months ago
@Tobriep81 Why design something new when it works already? The Russians have come up with new designs like the AN-94.
esh325 8 months ago
@Tobriep81 Kalashnikov is a proved a rugged design few weapon system mechanisms are as reliable as this one.
SagothBaal 8 months ago
@Tobriep81 заткнись урод ты лучше не забывай што наш ак47 ак 74 и другие виды выбрал весь мир а это тоже самое ак как и остольные только для городского боя и оно надёжнае точное аа говно ты и воша М-16 котора ломается посли пары капель воды и грязи которая не годится для боёв действий
MrUstazz 6 months ago
What round does this use? 5.45?
TaZ101SAGA 10 months ago
@TaZ101SAGA
9x39 mm
1337soldiahs 9 months ago
@TaZ101SAGA
9x39 or 7.62x39
dream459 7 months ago
SMG with Grenade Launcher = Badass. )) The range is crap for sniping. But if you're stealthy, oh man the carnage.
DigitalDNA 10 months ago
AK 47 IS MORE EASY TO HANDLE AND POWERFUL THAN GROZA!
WPUSMA1 10 months ago
WTF is he saying!??
Humberto4790 11 months ago
For some reason, I think this gun looks cool.
Blackflunk2 11 months ago
ACCURACY OF A KALASHNIKOV, FIREPOWER OF AN M16, ONE HIT FROM THIS AND IT'S ALL OVER
cloudycolacorp 11 months ago
@cloudycolacorp Sorry friend, you got that one backwards. I think you mean accuracy of the M-16, Power of a Kalashnikov. The AK-47 fires a 7.62x39mm round, while the M-16 fires a weaker 5.56x45mm round, but is more accurate.
AthrunZalaZaft 11 months ago
@AthrunZalaZaft that was the joke:(
cloudycolacorp 11 months ago
Thumbs up if S.T.A.L.K.E.R. brought you here.
windson7 11 months ago
I need to learn fucking Russian...
imiritu 1 year ago
OZ-14''Groza''=AKS74U bullpup system+sillencer,optic and 40mm grenade launcher but it's made only in Russia like other special weapons for special units.
MetalHeavens14 1 year ago
''GET OUT OF HERE STALKER!''
egdqv13234 1 year ago 25
@egdqv13234 looool
luiss012 7 months ago
@egdqv13234 My fav game! Wow man, just a few words and a completely ultimate STALKER game experience! ;)
akibmatf 6 months ago
Nice video, but I'd really hate to use a gun with ejection port RIGHT under my eye without any kind of protection system on the gun (like FN2000 has).
Milanwhatever 1 year ago
Where I buy the Groza?
SEMJASE7777 1 year ago
I like the AK design, but i would not care to shoot this weapon {with my cheek on the dust cover}
It seems that it would knock my teeth loose.
but im just guessing...
rllang01 1 year ago
@rllang01 The ideal would be to put a quilted cheek rest pad, like the one used in the Dragunov SVU so it would buffer some of the shock created by the bolt group going back and forth and slamming the breech. Also, being the ejection port so close to your face, the smoke that comes out of it irritates the eyes and the mucous of your nose. Currently, the Groza is not being manufactured anymore, the AS VAL
Xerxes1688 11 months ago
It's terribly ugly, but I guess it's an alright weapon. But I'm not sure why they need another rifle on top of the AK-74 and AS VAL.
Sursion7 1 year ago
@Sursion7 This gun is a love it or hate it type of gun. Some people like it, some people don't. The reason for this was that with bulpup design in mind for this weapon, it can have the same barrel length of a standard AK, but still be compact while shouldering it. This allows it to have better accuracy, but not sacrifice the barrel length to keep that accuracy.
tuck234 1 year ago
wish this had the caption/translation bullshit youtube forced on the videos but no! not for useful ones still a good video
omid11 1 year ago
I LIKE HOW RUSSIANS MADE THEIR GUNS WITH BROWN WOODEN PIECE.
симпатичьный :P
MrDaldagnuur 1 year ago
interesting
a Krinkov bullpup basically
pyroman645 1 year ago
is this gun good i am newb xD
omid11 1 year ago
@omid11 this gun best gun in the world.
MrPSYCHOTIC666 1 year ago
ok why is it best? is it accurate? reliable? ergonomic? :D
omid11 1 year ago
@MrPSYCHOTIC666 LOL
colorblindvids 1 year ago
"Beta" weapon. Even if it is reliable, powerful and efficient, it's and uncomfortable, crude and quie inaccurate weapon. Russians forces (special units) prefers much more classic disigns such as 9a91, SR-3, AS-val, even AKs74U.
Its real advantage is the grenade laucher.
PATRONSKiii 1 year ago
i wonder if the dust cover has any form of cheek rest, i mean wouldn't the thing get super hot after a few mags?
RichardLameo 1 year ago
in which the film becomes flat and uninvolving. I've watcher this film @ MovieWatcher[.]US
adriannadornmd 2 years ago
what is the pint of this? it looks so uncomfortable and it only has an 8 inch barrel which is the same as the AKS-74U.
riseld4 2 years ago
@riseld4, I think it has a 16 inch barrel, but appear to be a 7 inch barrel because its a bullpup.
esh325 2 years ago
The wood on this weapon gives it some class. Russia sure knows how to make weapons.
manifestman132 2 years ago 4
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theresaaudrina 2 years ago
I wonder this can beat HK417 in immediate firing test just after underwater immersion.
Slameagle 2 years ago
That is a good weapon.
TheWorkingPart 2 years ago
Take a swim and come over here...! I believe we issue a rifle to you after you complete immigration stuff.... we welcome all. Come here! work here. Buy a gun. Be an american! Like many haters say.. "we are the mutts of the world" True! but we are mutts with guns!
ResistanceOfAmerica 2 years ago
I would love to own this rifle in America, but is almost impossible to get one unless I travel to Russia and ship it back here illegally
Shadowblindx 2 years ago 2
Century Arms has some cheap bullpup AK rifle if you're interested. It's not worth risking prison time trying to bring a firearm illeagly into the country.
esh325 2 years ago
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Ewasa34 2 years ago
just like the ak's this weapon is beautiful
dirtyathrun 2 years ago 8
Yeah. Basically OC14 construction is based on AK. In fact, this is AK with different ammo and Bullpup.
As for me - this gun reminds me FN P90 a little.
larwa556 2 years ago 4
Tis rifle does not look wery comfortable to fire. i mean the dust cover, not much fun in spring, terrible in winter. And sorry, no left-handers. Anyoune know if this one is actually used, or what operational reports are?
DudeNumberOnePlus 2 years ago
i know its not used anymore, it was used by spetsnaz in 1999 in Chechnya then fell out of production, thats all i know
gsm1091 2 years ago
just today, i read in papers that izhevsk factory, thats making AK's is facing bankrupcy.
DudeNumberOnePlus 2 years ago
wow, really? thats surprising, is it because they have not found many buyers?
gsm1091 2 years ago
Thats because other countries produce illegal version of AK like Bolgaria and even USA illegaly assembles it in Nevada from bolgarian parts (Arsenal Arms). Bolgaria got a tender to arm Iraqi army with AKs. USA approuved it yet noone cares that the production is a blatant rip-off from real Russian AK-74. IZHMASH loses 2 billion dollars annually because of such open robbery.
Spetsnazovets 2 years ago 4
Yup, dude. Nothing to do about it. Its also easy and cheap to made on crudest technology now available everywhere. and theres other thing too, lot of them that were sold or donated 40-50 years ago are still kicking, so there is no need for new ones... 47's unbeliveably sturdy. Im not sure if bolgarian ones are illegal - i think theyre licensed.
DudeNumberOnePlus 2 years ago
I see where you coming from. Current bolgarian versions are not licensed. License expired a fair few years ago.
Spetsnazovets 2 years ago
Hm... i googled it, and it seems you're right. First i think they can be pieces assembled from surplus parts (like cz 58s, wich can be bought brand new, althru its decades out of production), but it seems these are still in production. Im also surprised that Iraq got new AK's, I knew they were supposed to rearm to m16 some time ago.
DudeNumberOnePlus 2 years ago
Well, the US can import Russian small arms, but thanks to the surviving clauses from the old ASS-ault Weapons Ban of 1994, we're still stuck with the cheap Romanian copies (BATFE won't let the REAAAAAL Izhmash and Norinco production weapons in).
Don't blame us, blame the fucking liberals and their gay-ass gun control policies. :-P
purpleravenstar 2 years ago
All I wish could happen is that AK as a name brand gets same protections as any other name brand. I spoke with a man from IZHMASH and he told me that no company that actually has license to make AKs has clause that allows it to arm another country. Only for production for its own armed forces.
I want to own a firearm but i cant. too many pollies wanna look all law-and-order. If i have a gun I can stop almost any assault on me. I dont wanna wait 15 min for cops. by then - too late.
Spetsnazovets 2 years ago
Well, the US didn't stop Russia from raping Chechnya, maybe thats worth 2 billion, since lives of others is worthless to Russians.
OneShotPaddy 2 years ago
Don't drag Chechnya into this. Lives of others worth nothing to USA too. My mate was deployed to Iraq and he was with a US convoy. when they heard a shot from somewhere off to side and no bullets came their way they just hosed the whole street with .50 cal. So they aren't the saints you show them to be. And in chechnya Russians were fighting armed separatists in first war (which miserably failed) and then later terrorists in second campaign.
Spetsnazovets 2 years ago
Nice to have an excuse like those apartment bombings to bolster support isn't it?
Too few russians now question only the failures of tier government, those who do disappear.
OneShotPaddy 2 years ago
Do you honestly believe that every Russian who questions the government disappear? Come on man, thats far from the truth. Í might as well bring the IRA into this.
BTW why are we discussing politics of governments in a channel of a counter-terrorist firearm. A bit out of place to me lol
Spetsnazovets 2 years ago
Why not, you brought up how the world has done you wrong when the rest of the world knows crimes your government has committed with full support of the people (except for those that end up dead).
OneShotPaddy 2 years ago 2
Ha, and the US is any better? what about Israel? they both have done many bad things.
MudHut67 2 years ago
I do not recognise the state of isreal.
OneShotPaddy 2 years ago 4
@OneShotPaddy
me neither
soljerameelguy 2 years ago
@OneShotPaddy I do not recognise backward religious medieval ideologies.
lesleyhenriquez 1 year ago
грозв эффективна только вусловиях города, вобщем снеочень вещ
lavr128 2 years ago
does anybody knows a page were i can buy this weapon??? and by the way this weapon is beautiful
forgemaster12 2 years ago 3
hitman's case
EcilopRus 2 years ago 3
i want S.T.A.L.K.E.R
=((
dusche90 2 years ago
'tis called the Tnder S14 in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
Wondergaurd 2 years ago
Fucking awesome weapon
Robbaz 2 years ago 4
This is one of my favorite weapons in S.T.A.L.K.E.R (a russian game that takes place in Chernobyl)
RADIOACTIVEBUNY 2 years ago 2
that game is fuckin scary.
jerec576 2 years ago
The game is from Ukraine. ;)
smygdamp 2 years ago
russian language=D
1992CCCP1992 2 years ago
It not 7.62x39 it 9x39. On a distance of 100 metres a bullet-proof vest 4 classes are not protection from OC-14 Groza. And from AK-47 will protect. Sorry me for my English.
DEIdw 3 years ago
I think the Israeli Tavor is pretty cool too.
If this gun is as reliable as the AK, it could be quite a potent weapon in close quarters.
soccom8341576 3 years ago
Israeli Tavor looks like copy of Steyr Aug with some changes to the outward appearance.
Suyamu 3 years ago
well, its not. Its gas system is actually AK-like.
DudeNumberOnePlus 2 years ago
as is the gas system with rotating bolt of the Steyr Aug...
Suyamu 2 years ago
Steyr of course works similar way, what i have in mind is that in AK's (and TAR also if im correct) uses is long stroke system (piston unseparable from bolt carrier), while Aug's system is short stroke (where piston only gives impulse to bolt carrier, but it is not welded to it, and does not travel all the way back with BC).
DudeNumberOnePlus 2 years ago 2
AK47 ftw!
IRULE003 3 years ago
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this rifle is made for more CQB than on the field ,still russian shit haha
kankraza 3 years ago
russian shit,your bastard? wtf hav the uk maked (i mean GOOD weps?)ak was maked in 1950-yrs. and the whole world still useng thath. wath the uk hav maked? just shit guns.
bylligamekid 3 years ago
Wow. You know, I had thought up a bullpup design for the AK-47 that wasn't terribly gross looking... Unfortunately, it looks like it's been done already.. DAMN IT! What's sad is that it looks exactly like the concept I drew up, save that the buttstock was lower and the original AK ironsights stayed intact. Personally, I don't like that Handle/Ironsight combination
thisguy41487 3 years ago
bullpup ak's have been around for a long time.
davesempai 3 years ago
it's called ballpup system not a copy the steyr aug was the first weapon who used this system later copied by french famas and british sa80
dragonlord179 3 years ago
@ dragonlord179: The Russians had a bullpup design back in 1946. Google for the Korobov TKB-408.
functio1 3 years ago 22
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lWmPl 6 months ago
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@functio1
The first bullpup gun made Korovin S.A. in 1945 - bochkavpechatleniycom/data/photo/3408/4_3.jpg
lWmPl 6 months ago
Wow, you should do some research. the AUG is by no means the first bullpup. The concept was first used in bolt action rifles such as the Thorneycroft carbine of 1901.
davesempai 3 years ago
I'd like to also add that the British L85A2's development stems from the EM2 which predates the Austrian Steyr AUG.
CrimsonCrux 3 years ago
i wish these vids had subs
1200chan 3 years ago
lol since when did a weapon become a fashion accessory to some!
CubanPunks 3 years ago
No matter if it´s Ugly oder coppied you guys are just jealous ;). It look a bit strange but it´s a good Gun I think.
Fischbroetchen2k 3 years ago
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coppied from sa80
kankraza 3 years ago
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n ome can beat the sa80!
SA80 4 life!
airsoftgunrunner 3 years ago
L85 is only now a good weapon after H&K revamped them, they initially had terrible problems like the mags dropping out unexpectantly. They still suffer from a slight balance issue that can actually be worked around through a grenade launcher attachment.
CrimsonCrux 3 years ago
i know what u mean about the mags dropping out, ive used the L98A1 Cadet GP version and even with just 20 rounds in the mag it drops out heckler and kock have just recieved an order for a number of new ones to be produced for forces and cadets, the cadet 1 will have semi-auto function aswell but not until 2010
airsoftgunrunner 3 years ago
nahh the whole world still usen ak.
(and other sssr countryes.)
bylligamekid 3 years ago 2
wat? erm yea i know AK's are like the most popular in the world, I never said they werent ... lol
airsoftgunrunner 3 years ago
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan that gun look UGLY!!!!!
FriedNugget 3 years ago
your Mc`donnalds mama is ugly !
MultipleEFP 3 years ago 13
Alot of countries are adopting the Bullpup design...Russia, France, UK, etc...
Socrates287 3 years ago
Is this the new Russian combat rifle? It looks a little like UK SA80. I have noticed that the PLA have also adopted this design.
zama202bc 3 years ago
You want this gun? Nice.. our army open for you xD (our army- russian army)
berttucer912 3 years ago
Wow O.o nice gun. I want one xD
winnryautomail 4 years ago 4
Also, I would doubt anything polaks make. Probably the only thing they good at is complaining. Izraeli weapons deserve some recognition, but no cigar ( except for tavor ). desert eagle sucks, it's barrel is threaded inside by being pressed in and not forging. Therefore it's not accurate.
csmintel2008 4 years ago
Also, I would doubt anything polaks make. Probably the only thing they good at is complaining. Izraeli weapons deserve some recognition, but no cigar ( except for tavor ). desert eagle sucks, it's barrel is threaded inside by being pressed in and not forging. Therefore it's not accurate.
csmintel2008 4 years ago
This complex Groza was made in 1979 when imi didn't even have in mind tavor. Understand one simlpe rule: any technology coming out public of Russia will be at least 10 to 20 yeras old. Because the current technology is what it's supposed to be: secret. Miltary and Natural resources technologies are espessially closely guarded in Russia. The companies in these sectors are government entities, therefore closely watched and control.
csmintel2008 4 years ago 2
Intresting concept although not as impresive as the polish Kbk wz. Jantar (check wikipedia) and not as practical as the IMI Tavor Tar-21
gefallenengal 4 years ago
Unbelievable
radia333 4 years ago 3
Man I want a semi auto Groza in the US. 9x39 would be awesome but hard to come by. 7.62x39 would be fine.
pbednar71 4 years ago
this groza is more then 20 years old
and was usesd a fair good amount
now what is used now 2 new tipe grozas
one new type groza uses internally suppressed barrel new type of groza not even ak action more like cz, vz, dragon, action mix .
Old one you can't use suppressor and grenade same time you will die
New one suppressor is allways attached
I know for fact theirs new ammo for Abakan in use now u ll, know what in 5yrs 10yrs, sorry :) Ok hint Russian Olympic Games in 60s
simbaswat1545 4 years ago
You dumb, Russian olympic Games was in 1980
rannyar 4 years ago 2
OK in the 60s a cal was developed and shot by the Russian olimpic team
i am talking about the caliber do i have to clerify everything?
simbaswat1545 3 years ago
this is the old vertion this one is old graza used in afgan and chechnia by spetz. the new one looks good better ergenomic grip,plastic shell thoe. new russian weapons people see only 5-10yrs after thay alredy used by spetsnaz
old one you cant use suppressor and granade same time too you will die
simbaswat1545 4 years ago
their great weapons, dont get me wrong, but that's the only design flaw i've realy noticed
XwafflezX 4 years ago
i agriy for bullpop is better to have usa tipe drop mag design for cumfrot and speed
. new Groza still dont have it. but not beter for abakan or ak i like it on non bulpop more becouse you can use 60 rnd mags or 30 in the same time u.s.a is stuck with dubble stack mags russian design u can use quadruplle stack 60 rnd mags because resever not in way .
if usa copys quadruplle stack mags for ARs thay luse like 15 rnd in same size mag as AK
simbaswat1545 4 years ago
and an update there is a US company that has coped the RU. 60rnd mag but its a 50rnd quad mag for the ar (hint: this company sells the moast expencive AR 120rnd drum mag on the market)
if you need it youll find it
simbaswat1545 3 years ago
the bad thing about russina guns is that the magazine ejection system is crap, you flip the switch, like any other magazine release, but you have to tug and yank the magazine. THE M16 and the AR15 just drop the magazine free fall when you hit the switch. They need to fix that design flaw, reloading an AK is a pain in the neck when you're timed. and putting them ack in is a pain too. jiggling it aorund just to get it to lock
XwafflezX 4 years ago
its also easier to loose your mag or have it drop on you while moving. There is an upside and a downside. I have an AK have no problems.
RedPower012 4 years ago
It's a trade off really. The AR-15 magazines have problems being suppourted in the mag well on just one side by the mag catch, and their light construction has them bend, deform, and overseat easily leading to the highly common feed problems.
The Kalashnikov magazines are clunky and slow to swap, but they're over built and suppourted front to back in the gun when seated, and rarely suffer from feed issues.
Different design philosophies is all.
pbednar71 4 years ago
It IS an ugly gun but I bet it works great. I can see it being ideal for spetsnaz and motorized infantry. It would suck to have to fire it left handed though...with the cocking handle moving right by your face 8/
comradesloanikov 4 years ago
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USA r0x 4ever
djr4iden 4 years ago
youre funny dude !!! HAHA
HarisPiltonTWO 3 years ago
00:55 hehe
Mleczyk6 4 years ago
when will this gun be avaliable to public?
TeamSTALKERS 4 years ago
its only in military use like obokan or beryl.
but try in china, they copy evrything without license :) but quality will be very poor hehe
sry for my english
NiahNiahBumBum 4 years ago
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fuck usa russia jews
LietuvaLietuviamss 4 years ago
that's like 1/2 the world
spraynpray 4 years ago
ugly lookin weapon.. but russian small arms are famous for their excellent reliability...
redspadd 4 years ago 2
what u smokin? its the coolest weapon in the world!!!
i wish they made an airsoft of this
TeamSTALKERS 4 years ago
It's available in all the 39mm Russian cases. 7.62x39, 5.45x39, and the subsonic capable 9x39, which is pretty impressive going through the silencer.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
from what I remember they are very accurate
roryos 4 years ago
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you've never even seen one lol
p00pl0rd 4 years ago
There is 7.62x39,9x39(made from necked up 7.62x39 case) and possibly 5.45x39 but I have never seen it.
I have wanted Groza parts to retrofit my Kalashnikov for a long time but none have shown up
sopmodm4 4 years ago
lol it's actually 5.45x39mm, the same cartridge as the AK-74u
gunfuego 4 years ago
"Its 9x39mm. Its a powerful armor-piercing short range round, used also in VSS Vintorez."
"lol it's actually 5.45x39mm, the same cartridge as the AK-74u".
It comes in both guys.
ausglocker 4 years ago 5
Its 9x39mm. Its a powerful armor-piercing short range round, used also in VSS Vintorez.
SpecialistBR 4 years ago
its like an AK-bullpup that holds like a P90... its still 7.62, though, I'm guessing...
RamzGT 4 years ago
Looks like the bastard child of the SA80,AK and steyr aug
1L0V3C1IT 4 years ago
not the best recoil
zigsauer 4 years ago
fineeee.....?????
mechanicuss 4 years ago
This is a neat little carbine. I'd like to see this become available in the USA in a semi-auto version.
68cyclonegt 4 years ago
Looks like good gun.
MokomaSusi 4 years ago
ah- is htis the 762x39 ?? cant believe that it sounds so light... this must be the silencable 9mm variant wiht 20 rounds magazine. right? i dont understand anyrussian you know. i jsut know htey say "[grasa] instead [grousa]"
Santoslhelpa 4 years ago
what a goofy gun. goffy in a good way. i think the russians shudda done somethin tith the PPSH-41 or PPD-40, although the PPD became the PPSh... I still think they shudda branched from the PPSh
wateverok 4 years ago
"actually it's not, the Vepr is the just the bullpup version of the ak, and somewhat shitty one the Groza was originally a 9mm cqc weapon, later they also issued a 7.62mm variant for better stopping power."
Groza is the same bullpup version of AK74, maybe a bit more converted. I repeat, bullpup is the stubidest thing I've ever saw.
berlinSS 4 years ago
At least this stupid thing can be aimed without an aimpoint. If you take the dot off the Vepr you have an AK rear sight and a really tall front sight which makes for the dumbest idea of all time.
Markworth 4 years ago
cool :D looks abit like a famas combined with an L85A2
CaptainSpyro666 5 years ago
this comment is irrelevant, shows the stupidity
this is a Russian weapon based on AK design
FamasG2 and L85A2 are both sucks
PvMikhail 4 years ago
The same idiotism as the Ukrainian Vepr assault rifle - absolutely unusable scheme, the whole head is over the rifle, absolutely no chance in close combat and so on. A project of winning money from the government.
berlinSS 5 years ago
actually it's not, the Vepr is the just the bullpup version of the ak, and somewhat shitty one the Groza was originally a 9mm cqc weapon, later they also issued a 7.62mm variant for better stopping power.
renegadephalanx 5 years ago
YEah, and the Vepr is a piece of crap. It's a mash of different weapons. Noticed the M-16 sight? Lukasheno said it was added specially to show unity of NATO and Ukraine. What an ass-kisser.
SiroDra 5 years ago
"Lukasheno said it was added specially to show unity of NATO and Ukraine"
Lukashenko is the Belorussian president.
Fucking idiots make shit up in order to say something.
comradrami88 4 years ago
My bad, I meant Yuschenko.
SiroDra 4 years ago
As well as smartasses such as the one who said bullpups are the "stupidest things he ever saw". Man, I swear, people here in YouTube are fucking retards.
Granite900 4 years ago
bullpups are stupid,.. you can not fire weak handed, the trigger mechanism is more brittle because you are forced to use a long linking system, and how are you supposed to change mags while keeping the weapon on target?
waterborne 4 years ago
Groza is AK-based too, can be clearly seen on the vid. It comes in 3 calibers now, 5,45, 7,62 and 9 mm. 9 mm SP5/6 is just a necked up 7,62 housing heavy subsonic bullet. Also fired by Val,Vintorez.
Whole head over rifle might be a fault, if you're lying prone in some trench. But in CQB you will not want to lean low to reach your sights. You will walk or run fast, not crawl, so it's nice to have your sights up there, and good open field of view around it, not blocked by receiver.
MorangRus 4 years ago
Can I have this guy's job?
superfly8838 5 years ago
Russians do make some crazy awesome weapon!
Srecko1 5 years ago
woooww its rare. cool
chikopsikotiko 5 years ago
wa cool
cards2133922 5 years ago
Thank you so much for putting this video up. I love this gun.
jimmitsu 5 years ago