Weapon Demonstration: Conniver's Kunai

[SomeUntakenUsername]

Here are reasons on why i just hate this weapon.

1. Overheal gets redundant VERY quickly. You literally have 25 seconds to make the best out of this before it becomes pointless. Also, if you backstab someone to get overheal, your best bet of living to stab someone is to find someone alone. So, its even more redundant!

2. The odds of healing your burn or bleeding with this weapon and still being alive after that. just..

3. Its already hard enough to try and find a target before you die.

so, yea

[MartianSantas]

It's like a Quick-Fix ubercharge in the palm of your hand...

[Str0ngSide]

I love this weapon. Kunai+Dead Ringer=Invincible Spy. Gives them such a headache.

[EagleSoulz]

what would happen if you backstab a overhealed opponent?

[TARINunit9]

@EagleSoulz

The same thing

[TheMagicalFace]

0:28 interesting place to stab

[bigdogblues2008]

Enforcer+Kunai=Assault Spy.

[sc2devourer]

Guys anyone know how to make bot's attack?

[MrThearmymen]

@sc2devourer change their settings

[BestWT1]

i love my S.kunai:P

[beastness2574]

i always hated this but loved the spicicle

[Shinray1kuo]

@beastness2574 speaks volumes about what kind of player you are

[Codyray1992]

This weapon... Either makes a spy 100% piss easy to kill, or unfuckingstoppable.

[Slicezorr]

How fuck does a Kunai decrease health and steal people's health if you backstab them?

[Solidus1andahalf]

@Slicezorr Ninja Magic

[luizmw2]

@Solidus1andahalf *snort snort*

[REDiWacky]

my number 1 spy knife with stock revolver + invis watch

[SgtByrne101]

My favorite knife.

[tacticalf41L]

Why is it that in these demos, the backstab on the medic always ends up being a dickstab?

(yes, I know, for demonstration purposes)

[someguyhere999]

medic? pfft

[ColaKnight]

I want to do this:

Be any class, or my favs, Engie, Scout or Medic

Concentrate in the killfeed and luckily enough find a Kunai kill

Look for the spy

Kill him with any melee wep (except for Spy's Knife and Scout's Bat)

Lol at the irony

XD

[danisuperedition]

this weapon is for people who are PRO spy's

[wopor333]

need to work fast to make this worth ur time

[Wenz0s]

You should be able to throw this weapon for an insta-kill

[PanzerRatten]

Great weapon for a defensive spy loadout. Rubbish for offense though, you die too easily trying to infiltrate the front. Then again, I never use the Dead Ringer, thing's too damn finnicky.

[MrRandomcrappystuff]

i once killed a heavy with that, people saw that and started shooting, i survived they called me cheater and got kicked...

(1st day after release)

[dejEtack]

backstab no jutsu!

[Pikaandpi]

True, you don't want to use this without the Dead Ringer. But it actually can be very lethal in the right hands. The extra 65 health can be quite helpful in a heated situation-- if you land a backstab and blow your cover doing so, you have a fighting chance to get out of there, especially on defense on Payload maps or stab-n'-saps, where your victims should have most of their health to begin with.

But yeah, always have the Dead Ringer on hand, and either the L'stranger or the Enforcer.

[Flyingtrollolo]

What this weapon SHOULD do is absorb the health of your opponent. What I mean by this is: Backstab an overhealed heavy, health changes to 450. Backstab a scout, health changes to 125. Backstab a sniper with 10 health, health changes to 10.

Of course, balance is in order, so, something like "100% less healing rate on the user" (so medics and dispenser can't heal a spy with this weapon at all) and maybe +0.5 second to decloak time.

[MrShnoxdog]

@Flyingtrollolo That, sir, is the sort of thing that nobody would use.

[MrDeePay]

@Flyingtrollolo

Even with a downside like that, the Kunai with THOSE stats would just be ridiculous with the Dead Ringer.

[Xemphnoid]

I use the L'Etranger The Conniver's Kunai and The Dead Ringer together. It's pimpin.

[AllOtherToasters]

I definitely wouldn't consider the Kunai to be a bad weapon, but it is, to say the least, difficult to use without the Dead Ringer.

[Grievousish]

I would not use up an your eternal reward for this one.

[anonimusdx]

it needs the silent killer

[magmablock]

Pretty much impossible to use without the Dead Ringer. 60 health is just too little.

[tacticalf41L]

Should at least reduce fall damage. I mean cmon, you're a ninja.

[joriswol]

@tacticalf41L I kind of reduces fall damage because fall damage is calculated with your base HP.

[kaibutsuraijnken]

i love this thing, but if you haven't backstabbed anyone and you aren't holding out the dead-ringer, and some engie wrenches you, then you're fucked, and i agree it should be throwable

[evilkiller108]

this is a kunai, it should be throwable

[TARINunit9]

@evilkiller108

Fun fact: no real life Japanese person with any level of self respect would ever throw a kunai. It's the medieval eastern equivalent of a sharpened screwdriver. A prison shank, not a throwing knife

[evilkiller108]

@TARINunit9 what exactly are you trying to prove by replying to my old comment that i completely forgot about?

[991Ivo]

HOW 2 LET BOTS DO NOTHING ON THE TRAINING MAP?

[airwolfman]

I wish spy would walk faster with this dagger, judging it's health debuff ^^. Yeah, as fast as a medic/pyro. -_-

[ZakobYoa]

@airwolfman medic is slightly faster than pyro/spy/sniper/engie

[Fallenshadowv3]

@ZakobYoa TF2 wiki confirmed.

[TheEmeraldTroll]

I love this knife, not because I use it but because I can one shot these guys

[Randomest672]

I had been doing great as a spy, actively switching between the knife, your eternal reward, and the big earner (occasionally). Then it came down to the last leg, sapping those 1000 buildings. i switch to this knife.

Those engineers are helpless now.

[HydroMonsoon]

Am I the only one who likes this thing?

[Stealthsuit07]

Kunai with the Dead Ringer? Yes.

Kunai with the other watches? Nope.

[exoddusman3]

@Stealthsuit07 my thoughts exactly

[GreenEarth28]

Kunai isn't that bad. the issues is that spies that aren't sneaky are easily killed by a stray rocket. I admit it is hard to use, (I don't use it much myself) but with a dead ringer and good ability, this makes an amazing stab n' flee weapon.

[edman302]

It's hard to believe someone only has 60 hp.

[juanlugtrs200]

KUNAI SUCKS

[TheZeyon]

I never use this weapon with spying. Makes you die in 1 hit of pretty much anything

[jokutyyppi100]

0:27 lol :P

[CaptainLoony95]

nope

[DerEwigeZweifler]

pro: every backstab (over)heal you

contra: a normal bodyshot is like a Onehit to you

[YTPmaster101]

@DerEwigeZweifler Unless dead ringer is out. That's the ONLY watch you can use without huge risk with this weapon.

[ROBLOXingHabbo]

If you're a good spy, this should be your favourite weapon.

[SeitProductions]

@ROBLOXingHabbo It is my favorite weapon. For the spy obviously.

I think people shouldn't subestimate this weapon. it gives you a pretty nice reward if you can live with 60hp.

Some weapons are made for not experimented players and makes you the game easier but giving you some downsides. Other, like the kunai or the sidney sleaper por example, make the game harder but giving you a reward for doing well

[SensibleDoucher]

@ROBLOXingHabbo I'm a pretty good spy, and I am smart enough to stay away from using this worthless knife due to the fact i die in one hit from virtually anything. Even good spies sometimes get caught by a spy checker and the -65 health makes a huge difference in terms of survival.

[vichogonzalez15]

@SensibleDoucher well, when i use this weapon, i dont see the enemys as enemys, instead, I SEE EVERY ENEMY AS A MEDIC KIT.

[SensibleDoucher]

@vichogonzalez15 medkits don't burst you into flame or blast you into bits do they?

[Black874Diamond]

@ROBLOXingHabbo I use the Big Earner and the Kunai I just wish that there was a Strange Big Earner.

Oh well I will still use my Strange Kunai I guess. :P

[Thatguywhoexists]

@ROBLOXingHabbo ...Your eternal reward is just amazing...

[whiteboii1017]

@ROBLOXingHabbo I love this weapon!

[cameronrogers31]

@ROBLOXingHabbo it is :P

[6000NoobTube]

@ROBLOXingHabbo I like Dr. Enforcicle.

[Lordofcookiejars]

@ROBLOXingHabbo Except if the opponents' pyros have any semblence of clue as to what they're doing, it just makes you an easy target. I see you wrote it before Dr. Enforcicle became possible though, so I'll let it off easy :)

[Dawngaward0110]

@ROBLOXingHabbo Hell yes, this made my 'most points in one round' record go from 10 to 28

[slosprint5]

@ROBLOXingHabbo Nah, that would be the Revolver/Big Kill/Ambasador so many people underestimate what they can do.

[KitkatRai]

@ROBLOXingHabbo indeed it is :P but i still think they should give it a little of a buff, maybe a faster movement speed or soemthin, idk

[ManofWario]

When using the Conniver's Kunai, make sure to have the Dead Ringer out.

[pasapeb]

Im tired of people saying that this is the worst weapon for the spy, you know the weapon won't make the spy the skill is the one that makes the spy, and depending of your play this weapon will be usefull/useless, im using and i love it, you can make chainstabs but not so easily as Your eternal reward, so please watch some videos from this weapon in the right hands, like OMFGNinja, Stabby or another ninja spy

[ekkkkkknoes]

This wep has only 1 purpose: achivement_idle

[magmablock]

It's a good concept, but it seriously needs a boost. Giving up more than half your health for this thing is simply too big a sacrifice. Either reduce the health loss (-35 sounds good), raise the overheal cap (200 or so), and/or slow the rate of decay.

[SuperAwesomeTiago]

I love spies that use this,since I can one shot them as Scout without having to be super close.

[Mrhoho3]

0:27 wtf he didnt hit him he died

[TF2Medic]

I used this the other day. It made me change my game. I got 52 backstabs in one game. I was pleased.

[Wietheuperlima]

@TF2Medic

YOU'RE SUCH A NINJA

[TF2Medic]

@Wietheuperlima I try my best good sir.

[MasterLeafVideos]

Ninja Spy are Ninja

[TheSman515]

Really this weapon is for the uber-skilled spies that can super no 360 stairstabs and put fires out

[jadhsyjhduyhjy]

bad weapon i say

[Stolemyusename]

This weapon is not worth it, I say craft metal with it

[Wietheuperlima]

This weapon is too underpowered.

"unless you stab a heavy"

[AllOtherToasters]

Personally, I enjoy using the Kunai with the Dead Ringer. I find that the Dead Ringer's feign death ability helps compensate for the spy's extreme lack of health with this weapon. But hey, that's just me.

[tylermcbridecartoons]

@AllOtherToasters That's probably the only way to go with the Kunai, honestly.

[gerokis]

NOW SPAH IS LIKE CIVILIAN

USELESS ONLY LACK OF POSE

[clayton99master]

Meant clearly

[clayton99master]

If u guys get killed with this because u have low Health them it bleary states ur not a good spy

[izvarzone]

60 hp? Looks like useless weapon.

[ShuckleShellAnemia]

This video doesn't show how medic overheal affects (or doesn't affect) the kunai's rate of degeneration...

[killhaloring]

to pros:

OH YAAAAAAYYYY there's a weapon that's USELESS and only takes pros not n00bs to use

....

well IT SUCKS . (period) i recommend the eternal reward now THAT'S a pro weapon

not a...um Kunai that saps everybody health. so to all the dis agree HAVE FUN WITH HEAVY'S AND SNIPERS YA "PROS"

[OmfgDef]

"Pros" should just stick with Your Eternal Reward. It's just as risky as the Kunai, but it gives better payoff.

[Buucksh0t]

@OmfgDef lol sorry i dont consider Your Eternal Reward a "Pro" weapon xD if you are gonna play as a spy use stock :D Your Eternal Reward is just too easy especially if you have the full set and dead ringer.

[OMGWTFchannel]

I use this knife, despite being a mediocre spy. I find it fun and challenging, making me a better spy.

Wielding this knife is based entirely on it's history and heritage; a ninja. One must be able to get behind the enemy completely un-noticed, act as one of the enemy, and kill off as many and sabotage as much as possible while under disguise.

Complaining about the low heatlh, means you die too easily as a spy.

[moonman57]

Your Eternal Reward ftw. <3

[shadowsoldier591]

Now all we need is a spy shuriken...

[lkhrizl]

A real knife for pros you stupid kids saying this sucks i feel sorry for you being amateurs

[Hellspawn532]

@lkhrizl +1

Is my favorite knife, only for pro users ;D

[SuperAwesomeTiago]

@lkhrizl Lol @ you being "so pro lolz" using this crap is not expert.It's complete suicide and not worth it.

[lkhrizl]

@SuperAwesomeTiago amateur

[Xetrez]

This knife sucks. If you pick up a healthpack your health goes back to 60. I feel that after first backstab, your default max health should be 125 no matter what, not 60. Right now it's totally useless.

[LemonatoR32]

This knife is for pros-only. 

[LamentOfInnocence1]

Pretty much a piece of shit.

[OmfgDef]

I guess it's *kind* of manageable with the Dead Ringer, but it still is far underpowered. If the overheal was more or less like the Eyelander, I might use it.

[ubitcumajkemi]

60hp... you just a one shot kill...

not worth it

[TheTatsuya321]

You can give reactions now?

[DarkBlueConverse]

I don't see why people dislike this weapon. Sure, it' more difficult to use then other knifes, but everyone is a walking medkit. How can you not love that?

[CombineHgrunt]

@DarkBlueConverse Not medkit, but temporary lifeincrease.

Also, you can't always stab someone without the risk of taking damage, and since, with this weapon, a faintest pistolshot, or something similar can mean critical damage, it just is a downgrade from the normal knife.

[DarkBlueConverse]

@CombineHgrunt IMO, it really isn't. This knife has saved me a couple of times actually. But yeah, it just depends on playstyle

[CombineHgrunt]

@DarkBlueConverse Hah.. well

I gave the knife many chances in usage, and, yes, it proved handy quite some times, but, really, with the ability of stabbing enemies in the middle of their team, I just find the Eternal Reward to be a better choice.

[Masterpivot292]

0:27 holy fuck lol

[skinninator]

sooooo what happens when you backstab a spy using the kunai?

[Masterpivot292]

@skinninator

The same effect, it wouldn't change. Unless you mean you have a normal knife and he has the kunai, then he dies and respawns with the regular 60 health.

[YoinkinatorX]

This knife is amazing. If you can't play well with this knife, then you shouldn't be playing Spy in the first place.

[Masterpivot292]

@YoinkinatorX

Not quite, I'm sure some people are not good with this knife but are excellent with Eternal Reward or the regular Knife.

[blackplatypus]

@Masterpivot292

For DR spies, the kunai is extremely effective. The Kunai only causes serious problems on the approach or if you haven't moved from your corner in 30 seconds. (in which case you deserve to die anyway)

Once you're actually stabbing, I've had no problems clearing 4 or 5 oblivious people off a cart with a pyro on my back.

The kunai forces you to be aggressive. This is a good thing.

[Masterpivot292]

@blackplatypus

It's a good thing for aggressive spies, but some players, me included like to take a stealthier approach, which is why I use the Eternal Reward, but if I had the Kunai, I would use it over the regular knife.

[blackplatypus]

@Masterpivot292

Yeah, when I hear spies saying "stealthier approach" I envision your typical, sit-in-a-corner C&D fail spies.

I'm not accusing you of this but I can't count the number of time's I've been spectating while yelling "We get it, you're invisible! STAB SOMEONE ALREADY!" I'd rather noisily clear off the cart to be honest.

[Masterpivot292]

@blackplatypus

Yeah, I've seen spies sit in corners and wait for a lonely engineer to pass by. These are the spies that should not be spies.

[RedMageWolfe]

@Masterpivot292 Nothing wrong with one or two cheap kills, but anything more than that is just lame. I prefer the more agressive approach of Dead Ringer + Kunai. It let's me get in, stab, and make a clean getaway. YER takes a certain finesse that I just lack ^^;

[Blox5320]

this turns your health down to 60?

Fuck this knife i do not want it

i already have enough hard of a time going around being a spy, i dont want this health restriction weighing down on me raping me continuously.

[JJesseQ]

I like this. No matter what everyone else says.

[Heatblast227OfRoblox]

how do you get the damage to appear after you've hit someone?

[luigi6456]

@Heatblast227OfRoblox In the advanced options, check the option that says "enable damage indicators"

[NobodyRoxasXIIII]

this isnt a smart idea. your enternal reward is better consitering its good for killing people silently so it doesnt get other people's attention and kill you.

[xlHawkeyelx]

Don't be hating on this weapon..

You can heal yourself completly and get the over heal from one backstab, the over heal also fades as SLOWER than a Medic's Overheal...

[Blox5320]

@xlHawkeyelx What if you suck at bring spy? then this would make the game a lot harder and make a lot of people quit the game before something better happens for them.

[Kaseydog2]

Conniver's Kunai, Greatest Idling weapon ever

[TacosIncorperated]

BLOOD STAINED PYRO MASK!

[MrChastoy]

How do you change classes and weapons in the tutorial level?

[seanthamaster]

The backstab hit boxes are rediculous. I wihs valve would make it an ACTUAL backstab.

[Arudap]

@seanthamaster You know, an actual backstab could be done standing in front of a person, by just reaching for his back.

lol

[ProjectAngelLuna]

Made for the super-aggresive backstabber.

[Itrainharder]

All of you are whining about the health cap and the health debuff; man this weapon is pure win. It took me awhile to get the hang of it but now it's like im freaking invincible. In one spy life i usually kill an average of 6 people; i wreak havoc on their asses.

[FPSBxUrBAN101]

The health cap should have been like 600 or so, This weapon really sucks.

[resettimanalt]

The one thing I hate about the idea of this weapon is that if you're set on fire while overhealed, you have to either wait till it goes out, loosing ALL your overheal points, or jump into water. Maybe they should make it so that it increases your maximum overheal for 30 seconds or something, like heavy's chocolate bar.

[ZiozoneEmperor]

lol dick stab

[MOCmaker29]

I've noticed that all the Shogun Weapons have to do with healing...

[a0001521]

ninja fortress 2

[SupaKillah666]

People say this weapon is useless I don't get it it's mad for ba-*Backstabbed by OMFGNinja*

Sniper: Stab stab stab!!

Spy: Naturally...

[specky532]

how do you get it to display how much damage is done????

[MetalMario1337]

@specky532

look around for it in advanced multiplayer settings

[AnReFan]

@specky532 download the HudDamageAccount.res in the second link

[specky532]

@AnReFan dont worry i found it. its in the advanced settings XD

[pizza87760]

The risk and reward of this knife is not worth it. You seriously should be able to keep that overheal until you're hurt, it shouldn't degenerate at all. They could also make the overheal cap much higher. Everything can kill you in one hit and all you get out of it is a slight temporary health buff and heal.

[SandeProHiQu]

@pizza87760 Kunai is for pussies. Manly choise is to switch to Knife and return to resupply after your first victim.

[Gronzlo]

@pizza87760 I agree. It's so inefficient that, even I get chain stabs, my actual benefit from using it is minimal because A.) I don't actually gain that much health and B.) it goes away when I get another stab. It's useful if you don't want to rely on health packs/dispensers, but that's if you don't get INSTA KILLED

[blackplatypus]

@pizza87760

Stab faster then. This knife works fine for me. If you're not stabbing fast enough to have your health over 125 most of the time, then the Kunai clearly isn't for you.

For me it comes down to; am I more likely to be under fire before attacking or during/after attacking. It's a knife for aggressive spies. Dead Ringer gives you 10x the health anyway. It's not a good choice for C&D or IW spies.

[Gerstein1]

@pizza87760 The fact is you can heal off damage mid fight, meaning any fire, bleeding, mini/sticky/grenade/rocket spam you take is GONE! If you get hit at all as a spy on the way to the stab you're doing it wrong anyway, no matter which watch or knife you're using besides the dead ringer. Rule of thumb: don't play on 16 v 16 servers.

[AnzStryder]

@pizza87760

Best used with chain backstabs. Red will try shooting you, but each stab regenerates all of it back.

[Vader3123]

@pizza87760 Having to deal with cloaking at very low health without health packs around is extremely annoying. With the kunai, you can become a "tank". This can go well with the Dead Ringer. Since being seen and killed is not what spy is supposed to do, it shows skill by using it.

[1ChinchillaBoy1]

@pizza87760 The reward is definitely worth it when used with the Dead Ringer. I've tested it out and it cancels out the Kunai's flaws.

[Neondarkness72]

It's a little sad really, Valve could fix this knife with one quick tweak. A small change that would take about 40 seconds. Yet they don't bother reading what People think of it. Saddens the heart really.

[darksupersonic09]

@Neondarkness72 maybe they got better stuf to do

like making ep3 (hopefully)

[Rookie8254]

@Neondarkness72

Valve people (and all that apply) are just stupid. If they had just taken the time to listen to what people want instead of what they want, then TF2 would be much more enjoyable. But just look at this mess here...

[Flacksh0t]

@Rookie8254

every weapon has its positives and negatives

[777pixlemap]

0:28 hit boxes in a nutshell

[greenfiretornado]

Make sure you don't die

This knife is for Pros Only

Don't do stupid things.

[Gunman511]

0:28 sidestab!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX!!!!!­!!!!!!

[YoshiFriends333]

Maybe you should've showed that you can't extinguish fires if you have overheal unless you stab someone.

[WSBM14]

0:38 lol

[Casanova646]

Excellent demonstration video. Nice work!