Christmas 2009

[pootler]

I'd absolutely love some more of your bible studies. At least finish Genesis. :-)

[KingHeathen]

Yeah, I"m going to get back to the Genesis series and I have a new series that will start soon as well that you will like.

[Holyboy1978]

Actually... As a Christian, Christmas is one my favorite times of the year because it reminds me of the birth of my Savior. Not because it's His birthday. Every Biblical Christian in the world understands this. The deal with the tree is pagan if you worship the tree. We do not worship the tree...lol. This is really a spiritual joy that atheists (or Christian impostors for that matter) could never understand (yes there is alot) throughout this season . And It's sad that you probably never will.

[KingHeathen]

"Every Biblical Christian in the world"

Really? I'd bet that you couldn't find a descent sized MINORITY of Christians that knew this. It would be interesting to see someone do a poll on this though.

Funny story...My wife has an uncle who is a minister. His wife, last year at Christmas, baked a FREAKIN BIRTHDAY CAKE for Jesus!!!

I could only laugh and think "who the hell is going to blow out those candles!?"

[ahmalala]

my mom once made me a birthday cake week after my birthday. But see it was the thought that counted. lol

[chavon30]

Have you ever done a video on First Council of Nicaea and Constantine? Just curious b/c I was watching special on History channel. At any rate, keep the blogs coming. Very interesting. I dont do the debate thing with people but I enjoy reading different perspectives..

[KingHeathen]

I haven't done a video specifically about it, but it certainly comes up in the discussion from time to time.

[chavon30]

Yeah-I'm sure it does. The show was interesting because there are so many holes in the bible and books being left out of it. This is why I could never take it literally. It is no different than the Epic of Gilgamesh, Puranas, and any other text written during those times. I was just talking to a friend about this same thing. If you say you believe in the Bible literally this means you believe in a talking snake, virgin birth and Genesis...wow

[ahmalala]

@Holyboy1978, Very very true

[ahmalala]

only the tree and date have pagan relevance and this was never a "secret."

Any date could have been chosen for the christ mass and rememberance of christs birth., but Dec 25 was a good choice because it was a great way to combat paganism and lead many to the worship of the true God.

[KingHeathen]

ONLY? Are you sure about that? Would you like to place your faith where your mouth is? And since when is LYING an acceptable way to win converts?

[ahmalala]

Yup pretty sure pagans didnt have nativity scenes or christmas lights, or angel decorations or bells etc

[KingHeathen]

Nativity scenes=not Biblical. Any historian will tell you that the common nativity scene is entirely inaccurate.

Lights=Pagan...candles were used in most of their ceremonies.

Angels=Pagan (though you may remember them as "Cherubs")

Bells=generic...everyone used bells back then. It's not like you could mount a car horn on your horse.

Besides, you haven't even gotten to the better things that were also ripped off from the Pagans. So again, would you like to put your faith where your mouth is?

[ahmalala]

@KingHeathen Nativity scene non biblcial? what! The text says manger.

And whether it is accurate or not is not at issue.

Christmas lights are not candles. boy u r desperate. lol

I doubt there such things as angels predating the Old testament.

regarding bells, my point was they where not place on trees, nor were angels, etc

Without or not these things are true have no bearing on faith.

[KingHeathen]

Christmas lights DIDN'T EXIST until 1882!!!! You are clearly not sane if you think strings of lights are a strictly Christian idea.

Again, not "angel"...think CHERUB! Picture one then the other, notice anything?

And you are STILL missing the point. You said that the date and tree were the ONLY things that were Pagan.

Have you ever wondered what a YULE log was? Or why there are supposed to be 12 DAYS of Christmas?

And there are plenty more to learn if you wish to stop being ignorant.

[ahmalala]

I know christmas lights are modern idea and thats my point. There are enough differences for a distinction. Seeing as we dont worship the tree or anything like that.

Now there may have been other ideas originating from pagans like a yule or 12 days of christmas. But these are more of the strictly commercial aspects of it. They have no relevance to me

[KingHeathen]

Keep those blinders on, hate for you to see anything that goes against your worldview.

[ahmalala]

These the facts not simply a worldview. You have the true blinders on.

[kylekage13]

If you decide to make another video about movies you've seen...you should bring up the religious undertones in Happy Feet, haha

[KingHeathen]

I HAVE considered doing that one...as well as others. Great suggestion.

[cavejourney]

This actually sort of parallels what's happening regarding gay pride day. Many older gays are not comfortable with it becoming so main stream and commercialized. Tons of straight people are coming with their kids. It used to be a place to promote gay sports clubs etc but it's now sponsored by beer companies and local clubs can't afford to set up booths. Gay youth have no interest in pride day's history and just see it as an excuse to do drugs. Perhaps this is just the price of inclusiveness?

[emptywithoutjesus]

More beers! Un-believable!

Dude, you're right! Easter (or resurrection Day) should be the bigger celebration! After all, Jesus rose from the dead and was seen by over 500 people including some of the NT writers.

God Bless You.

[Nordicdeist]

I'll address Nordic myths in my video I'll make on the Solstice. For now, yes, St. Nick is the right Saint, and he was also at the Nicene Council. I too have a Solstice Tree, and celebrate Yule personally. With my family I celebrate Xmas, mostly for the kids, for me it's about the kids.

[LordMalice6d9]

Judaism + Paganism = Christianity.

[doobs102]

I find that as an insult to paganism haha

[GalacticGuardian]

Jeremiah 10:2-5

[KingHeathen]

YEP!

Also, I like Jeremiah 25:27 minus the last part of the phrase (taken out of context, YES! But it's still full of WIN!)

[GalacticGuardian]

"...LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Drink, get drunk and vomit..."

Over 9000 wins!

[maman666]

this marks a full year watching this channel for me

[Dwicker64]

You are so right a pagan holiday deserves to be commercialized. Thanks for the insight.

[Kogoshii]

KingHeathen, you forgot to mention the one aspect of Christmas that is actually Christian, Saint Christopher or in modern terms Santa Claus. You could do a video on that. If you haven't done so in your previous two. Which to be honest I have not gotten to view yet so if you mentioned him in them I do apologize.

[KingHeathen]

Actually, it's a bit of a stretch to say that Santa is "Christian" in origin as it is more of a conglomeration of many different stories which where rolled into one. For example, you claimed that he was "Saint Christopher"...but if that is the case, then why is he also referred to as "Jolly Ol' St. NICK? Or Kris Kringle? Or Father Christmas? And don't even get me started on the reindeer and the elves!

[pi3p142]

I've seen a televised claim that Santa can be traced back to the Norse god Odin. In mythology Odin toured the world at the Winter solstace punishing naughty children.

[Kogoshii]

Actually I do apologize I referenced the wrong Saint here. It wasn't Saint Christopher rather actually Saint Nicholas, who was a Catholic priest in the fourth Century in what is now Turkey. He was the patron saint of the poor later became known as the patron saint of children. His actions in life was central around the later "Santa Claus" Myth, the rest is pretty much of Pagan Origin.

[GalacticGuardian]

The mythology of Santa Clause is an amalgamation of various Indo-European mythos crossed with Semitic Christian legends.

Most of Santa's tale originates with Odin, actually. Well, the archetype of Santa is based on Odin.

[SonOfCallaugh]

I have come to the conclusion that the original Christian religion, which I believe in, has been so skewed over the centuries that the institution of the religion now is ENTIRELY different from the original belief.

[grumpychuck]

Maybe I'm abit confused but why would you disagree with christoferl's decision to leave his church for whatever reason? Who else's personal decisions do you disagree with and want to make public, that don't hurt or include anyone else?

What you did in this video makes me uncomfortable.

[KingHeathen]

I never said I disagreed with anything he said. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of being upset about Halloween and not Easter or Christmas.

Also, I didn't make his decision public....HE DID! He made a video about it...I'm commenting. Where's the problem?

[grumpychuck]

Come on...you disagreed with his personal decision at 4:30.

I guess that I just don't like you picking on Chris to make a pointless point...Christmas is pagan....maybe it's christian...maybe it's musim...maybe it's nothing...WHO CARES? Maybe it's nice just to be nice.

[KingHeathen]

I disagreed with his idea that changing the holiday so that Christians can participate was a bad thing. Where he goes from there is up to him. It's more inclusive to adapt to other traditions so that more people can get involved. So yes, I did disagree with that. But again, HE made the video...I replied. What's wrong with conversation?

And "who cares" is the main point of MY video. Why care where Christmas, Halloween, or any of the rest of it gets its origin if it's a good thing.

[grumpychuck]

Sorry...I was in a foul mood yesterday...not an excuse but it's the only one I have.

Of all the fundies out there I just like Chris.

Happy Holidays to you and yours...

[KingHeathen]

yeah, he's one of the good guys for sure.

And if it weren't for foul moods, you would have to change your name to "Happy Chuck"...so it's all good.

[rarrmonkey]

This years topic could be christmas lesbians!

[rwstoney]

I'm a person who is bothered more than most by the shortness of daylight this time of year. My favorite part of this season is all the lights we decorate with.

[Domzdream]

Ha ha, Hi, KingHeathen.

Me detects a bit of shlurring in this clip.

It's cool though.

Persoanlly I got a bit toasty on Port last night and I start to speak really REALLY loudly. It's what happens when you get a hyperactive lad like me tipsy on port.

Take care.

[voices1]

Im not putting up a tree this year,Im bringing back the pole!

[Yulenissen]

The Yule Log?

[voices1]

No The Pole! happy festivus!

[Yulenissen]

like in germany wasnt it where it come from that thing?

[voices1]

close but no,Seinfeld.

[Yulenissen]

I have no fucking idea of what your speaking off now :D

[MikeOfKorea]

Christianism is derived from paganism! LOL

[jaws900]

you could talk about "An Athisist Christmas" as i'm often asked that "If your an Athisist then why do you celebrate Christmas?" and not what i tell them they still don't seem to get it.

[GiftofGod18]

hey king heathen can you make a video on the origions of incorporating the devil into rock n' rool? and how people used to think that was the devils music?

[KingHeathen]

Used to????

I still hear that BS now!

I might do one on that...got an interesting story about it from when I was young that you guys might get a kick from.

[GiftofGod18]

lol didnt mean to write "used to" yeah they still do lol... it would be awesome

[ScaperSteph]

I see Christmas as an all inclusive celebration of family, good will towards men, kids, end of the year, etc.. It was like this with my parents growing up and they were/are Christian. lol I don't understand why some get so mad about this. I find that kind of sad and ironically, against the Christmas spirit. ha!

[Allyspill]

My mom gives me a hard time because I'm an atheist who celebrates xmas. But I just love the idea of xmas and the fact some Christians want to make it more inclusive is just rediculus. Christmas is for everyone who wants to celebrate it whether ur christian, jewish, atheist, buddist, etc.

[KingHeathen]

Ask your mom if she is Irish....assuming she isn't...then ask if she ever celebrated St. Patrick's Day? Then ask her if she is Mexican?  Has she ever partied on Cinco de Mayo?

Then, once you have her on the ropes there, go in for the kill....Is she a pagan? Then why does she have a solstice tree?

Or you can just ask her to pass the ham (an abomination to God)...either way is good.

[TheUnmaskedMagician]

I know allot of Christians who don't believe that Jesus was born on Dec 25 yet they take part in Christmas. So as an Atheist I take part in a winter holiday and feel no shame about it .

after all the Christians stole the holiday from the pagans so I will steal it from them

[jay666KJ]

my way of celebrating Xmas/winter solstice is wine drinking, and retro Xmas specials.

[IAmTHEFreak1936]

lol, mine is dressing up themed in other religions of ancient cultures and their sun gods. This year will be horus, who was born on dec 25, just to piss people off and make them think. I'll make a video, you should join me!

[jay666KJ]

According to my study of Egyptology, horus was born in October after his mother committed necrophilia to her dead husband???

[IAmTHEFreak1936]

There is no real determination on the myths of horus and his birth date, but I am doing this just to make people think and piss off a few hard core people and see what reactions I can get out of people. Either way, it provides a good laugh.

[HonestDiscussioner]

An excellent way to renew the Christmas discussion. You're right, we've pointed out a bunch of time how Christmas isn't a christian holiday, and given that it is obviously pagan, I wonder how my family would feel celebrating a pagan holiday!

[noelplum99]

With you all the way, i hate it when people bring religion into the commercial festival of excess that is Christmas :)

[fakeham]

Paganism is related to christianity in so many ways. I myself believe the astrotheology theory such as in zeitgeist. The roman church also has pagan influence in their use of pinecones. Pine = christmas tree and the pagans also believe pinecones and evergreens symbolize eternal life. There's also some connections with monoliths. Look up "Jordan Maxwell christianity" and look at his site. Maxwell believes in some weird shit like reptile aliens but his findings on christianity are very interesting

[ChedWick05]

Santa is my God.

[nekedemus]

Santa Claus was originally Jólnir or "Lord Christmas" and was Odin. We know Odin, in the winter solstice, rode around the in the sky on his eight legged horse, Slejpner. Santa's reindeer? and distributed fruit and nuts to his warriors.

The Christmas tree.

In pre-Christian times, people and tribes often sacred groves and trees where they sacrificed to the gods. These trees were mostly oak and ash, such as Yggdrasil,(tree of life) from Norse mythology. The link between heaven and the eart.

[UberN3rdDillon]

You should mention Sir Isaac Newton.

Sir Isaac Newton: Born December 25th

Jesus: Believed to have been born in the summer.

Who are we really celebrating here?

[AtheosEthos]

Joe Pesci blesses you...

now stop hogging the damn candy canes, you bastard...

Just kidding, but I wouldn't piss Joe off...

[RadarKat73080]

Merry Giftmas!

Happy Festivus!

[skitchdrews]

Are you talking about Ben Stein?

[Maxdwolf]

I celebrate Xmas for the pretty lights.

[DanielCriticalMX]

I celebrate it cause my birthday is the 26th :P

[NeedsEvidence]

That drunken speech was after how much beer?

Peace&Love:-)

[glasshammer52]

"Goddammit".... priceless.

[peteq1972]

Solstice tree, brilliant, thats what i`m getting lol.

[mrpitchf0rk]

Yay! Someone else who says 'solstice'!