Canon HV30 Motion Test at 1080/24P

[HoudiniTheKing]

I don't see how this is the same camera. The footage with the dog looks terrible---and then the footage of the clock is clear as a bell.

[subseeker]

Todella surkea laitos, pimeässä ei mitään virkaa, ellei halua nykivää / ylivalotettua materiaalia.

[TZ5A]

moproducer, sorry for the long delay in reply. I would love to see the films transferred to digital media, but I have no means to do so. LOC supposedly had most of the Edison Home Kinetoscope films, either in that form, or in 35mm dubs. But I bet they are not all preserved today, or available for archivists. I see none on YT. Help, anyone?

[moproducer]

@TZ5A How many frames per program? If they're not more than a few minutes in length (@16fps), it could be worth investing in a home-brew frame-for-frame transfer - you could simply copy into a camera that could save the files sequentially (just about any good digital SLR) and load the files as a sequence into a program such as Adobe After Effects or Avid Media Composer. These programs will take serially-numbered stills and rebuild them into a single video clip.

[Cakez509]

What video editing software do you use

[iseecheese]

11 sec is great ,

[dimitrisk8]

TEST FAILED

[moproducer]

If you choose to install a PCI or PCMCIA-II Firewire port, remember a couple of things: There are many sub-flavors of Firewire, and just because one camera works doesn't mean another will.

That said, get a card with a TI chipset. Be sure that you're installing a 1394 and not a 1394a card.

Finally, there are indeed video cameras out there that will interface via USBII.

[spritefish]

love your dog.

[mrcooban]

canon hv30 does not shoot 24p unless you edited it later

[Reijerkolle]

yes it does. cinemode.

[lartrak]

It does shoot at 24P, but it's in a 60i stream, so you have to do pulldown to get the 24p footage out of it.

[moproducer]

Not really a useful test...the camera is static with foreground motion. You really appreciate 24 fps when you apply basic cinematic technoques to the amount and kind of camera mobilation you do.

Also, in the first clip, the camera has been left on auto iris...a real no-no for film production.

Finally, this has been uploaded to YouTube, which is not a 24 fps medium.

[acekingie]

re: 24p, give him a break!

[webweweave11]

After looking at some videos and reading a few comments Im not sure most people really know what 24p really is or why you would even want it...its sounds like they were told 24p is awesome but they don't really know what that is.

Anyways I personally don't care that much for it people notice 35mm adapter dof more that 24p and I mean people in general not experts- if your looking for a "Film Look"

[moproducer]

webweave, I'm certain of that. I've been in film & video production for 34 years and remember when it was all film and all 24fps. You really had to be careful with lateral movement, be it camera or background.

A higher frame rate is always better, and 30 beats 24 by an order of 1/5. Progressive lines, however, should have replaced interlacing years ago.

Interlacing is a leftover buggywhip from an era of relatively low technology; an attempt to put a band-aid on a 1920's problem.

[TZ5A]

Good points. I have a 1912 Edison Home Kinetoscope, not used now for years. The films are still projectable, most of them: first gen "safety film".

Owing to the way the shutter "blurs" each pull-past of a frame, it gives really smooth, not flickery motion, even at such low frame rates of about 10fps. But, 16fps is more usual for that era, and as said: all looks smooth to my eyes. I am sensitive to stutter. So we either "interlace", or we go at very high, frame-by-frame rates, of say 60 or so..

[TZ5A]

In the silent era, the general frame rate was 16fps, for good reason: the enormous cost of film stock, laden with silver, and the necessary thickness of the film base: sure, they could have run the film faster...always better...but the cost would have been proportionately higher for the very costly, old film techniques. Am in awe of what they could do with 16fps. See for example, here at YT, Pandora's Box Part 1, and see how well the experts did then. I think that the early films do not flicker

[TZ5A]

Looking now at Pandora's Box Part 1, yes, there are motion-stutter artifacts. We should bear in mind that it has been super-compressed for YT and "smoothed" as much as practical. Once I saw in the original theater of 1925, here in Miami, about thirty years ago a LIKE NEW print of the film, WINGS, with theater organ played by a man who played the score for that movie, back in 1925. Carbon arc projection. Clear, vibrant, B&W. Astounding visual quality. No "stutter". But yeah, we need FAST....

[TZ5A]

...today we need, for our digital "films", FAST, progressive (quickly replaced images, like sixty or faster per second, to avoid "flicker", owing to the "rata-tata-tat" of digital images in succession. Sixty FPS might be a bare minimum...but! The "cost" of bandwidth and the huge files thus needed....it is a problem that will be solved in coming years.

All this above was just my opinion. Am hardly an expert, but have some small experience, is all...

[moproducer]

@TZ5A, I'm not sure how your Kinetoscope relates to interlacing, since it is pure film media, and the shutter angle of the projector really doesn't tell you anything about the shutter angle(s) used in production. But you can mask a lot of the flicker attributed to low film speed - e.g. silent B&W film - with the shutter angle of the projector.

Unfortunately (or fortunately?), no current video technology affords the end user a choice of electronic shutter angles for viewing.

[TZ5A]

Thank you, sir. Call me Reid, is good. I have not operated the Kinetoscope for decades now.

For historical reasons I should get it out of storage and show, with an HD camera, it's mechanism, which really interesting. Some of the original (pre- '14) prints are still playable, for they've been in the freezer for thirty years now: not deteriorating. It's interesting how this first "home and classroom" projector operates so smoothly...even at low frame rates....

[TZ5A]

...If I recall, the shutter's rotary design (memory is weak here) "blurs" between frame pulls, and if that's the case: that's why a Home Kinetoscope does not seem to flicker much or at all, certainly not at 16fps.

To see "Building the Panama Canal, 1911", on the Home Kinetoscope, was quite a trip to the past.. Thanks so much, perhaps a demo-look-see some time in the future. Much else to do meanwhile. Again, thanks!

Reid

[moproducer]

I know this sounds expensive, but would it be worthwhile to make 35mm optical prints of your original Kinetoscopes for preservation & display?

[worldidolpoland]

I'd even add something more: the key issue is shutter speed. I see the author set it on too low value and that's why dog's movement is so ghosty. That has nothing in common with 24p.

[moproducer]

Very good point, worldidopoland, and often overlooked in video, since shutter speed adjustment is either crude or non-existent (the term "shutter angle" is not used in prosumer video cameras). It's tough to compare film to video, since film has lower frame rates, higher shutter detail, color saturation, no scan lines and no fields...also part of the reason why a film-to-video xfer is such an expensive and time-consuming chore.

[multimaxstudios]

haha at 0:10 is the most cutest best thing i seen a dog do, came in swiftly didnt it xD

[RobinMoviesOffical]

lol @ ur dog xD

[nando292007]

Motion test??? But the camera is not moving!!!

[CAvideoFAN]

"But the camera is not moving!!!" but the subjects are.

[nando292007]

Ok yeah, now I know this camera is pretty good, but still this is not a motion test, even cellphone cameras rec smooth motion when the camera is not moving...

[arthurcaraccio]

how much is this camera?

[liloSakura890]

it's about $600

[sonicballer8888]

your dog is awesome. :D

[PARRAVISION]

the camera is HD and its fuzzy because the settings is on auto, you can see how the light changes when the camera moves, also I dont think they color balanced before shooting

[FreeMan3OO]

How do you color balance before shooting?

[tvnewsbadge]

I'm looking to buy this camera for internet purposes, but it looks AWFULLY  fuzzy. Is that the 24 p?

[Alexville]

Its not HD

[xtremeholymuffin]

Its cause the video is not hd

[AlexJHorton]

look at mine, its skateboarding, but they are HD

[kuunami]

True, if you don't upload in HD format, youtube destroys the quality of your picture.

[brodypros]

You should have posted it in youtube HD

[Music720p]

Take a look at the upload date.

There havn't been HD-Video option already.

Think befor writing.

[akisburning]

"think befor writing."

is this guy serious?

[ShortyCTE]

Dude...

He upped this video befor HD was here on youtube.

.....

Huw fucking foolish can ppl are?

[VinenLeenTV]

he could have at least uploaded it in HQ

[conditionhuman]

look solid!

We're making a web series using the HV30 and it's a really impressive little camera!

[LittleEmoBoy001]

Looks good but it still lacks something theatrical films have. Are you sure it's the right frame rate?

[MrMintanet]

Are you retarded?

[ninjaman58]

Do you get standard def. as well as High Def. from the component out video connector on this camera?

[GetHypedMusic]

CCS :)

[Spaceraypro]

I see lots of motion blur on 24p. Is it normal? I think not.

[GetHypedMusic]

Ya thats way to much blur for that camera and setting. Im thinking its not even a HV 30 watching it.

[iDansWorld]

I have an HV20 which is almost identical to the HV30, and the PF24 setting looks really good and doesn't have that much motion blur at all (depending on the shutter speed, of course).

[shumkachai]

hi there i am looking to buy this camera... just want to know if you can transfer video to pc with USB because my comp doesn;t have a fire wire port? thanks

[Kronk82]

No, you need a firewire connection.

[lightmydank]

what if u don't have a firewire connection how can u put ur videos into the comp? what exactly is a firewire connection lol. Thx.

[KevinManh]

Well one solution might to shoot your videos straight to a memory card. The camera has a slot for one. I think you can connect it through USB, but don't take my word. I personally do not have this camcorder.

And firewire is basically what many people use to capture video for their DV or tape cameras into their computers. USB cannot support capturing video.

You can buy a firewire card for about 20 bucks. the wire itsself is about the same price, usually lower.

[lightmydank]

oh ok thats not so bad...i thought the firewire was a lot more.....so the firewire port connects to the comp how? Thx again.

[FreakingAwesomeFilms]

i have an hv30 and you cant shoot to sd cards, besides if you could the quality would be horrible, but ya you need a firewire port, im pretty sure you can buy firewire ports that plug into your usb ports, firewire ports are also called 1394

[tabamoura]

not really , there are converters out there but they are not so good and expensive, better install a firewire card , you can get one for $20.00 or if its a laptop, a pcmcia card to firewire/ilink

[aplinewalker]

Hi There Thanks for the test video---- Iv just got my HV 30 today. But the tape or cassette door rattles, its not quite tight shut just half a mil but every time u move ur hand potion it clicks and im sure the sound will come through onto the recordings, although I havnt got that far yet. Is urs like that ur should I send it back?? any feed back from anyone would be great. Thanks Alan in peterborough.

[Jashan17]

get a condenser microphone, you can get a good one for like 65ish bucks.

[NewPSCity]

i might get this camcoder.

[PingaloBill]

Hello. Great Video, great Cam! Does anybody know if the HV30 is a FULL HD cam?

[shayne233]

Im pretty sure it is.

[will4ward]

no HV30 in 1440x1080 NOT 1920

Squeezed and unsqueezed. Kind of a cheat,

[MandeepGadgetBoy]

It records on DV tape which is not good. Why can't it have a hard drive? It doesn't look nice either.

[YTOneHump]

HDV is superior to AVCDH, which you will find on Canon's hard drive HD camcorders. As for looks. perhaps you should focus more on the output than on the camera.

[MandeepGadgetBoy]

Why is HDV better than AVCHD? I just find it not convinient to put the video from the DV tape onto my computer.

[YTOneHump]

HDV is better because it is easier to edit and more compatible with ALL editing tools. AVCHD is a huge pain, even for tools that support it. The process to transfer video is same. You plug USB or FireWire in and transfer. If you do the research, you'll find that the HV30 is the #1 rated consumer HD camera on the market. This is true of both reviews and enthusiasts.

[MandeepGadgetBoy]

Yeah, I know the camaera is number 1 in HDV everywhere but can you explain to me why it is easier to edit please.

[YTOneHump]

AVCHD is an immature format that has yet to surpass the more mature DV format for both editing and quality. In terms of editing, there is still relatively few applications that support AVCHD, and it's not smooth going for those that do. AVCHD has to be converted by non linear editors, taking longer to import footage. Also, because the bitrate is capped at 24 mbit/s, the quality of DV has eluded engineers. They're getting lose, but it will be a year or two before the format catches up.

[MandeepGadgetBoy]

Thanks for that.

[moproducer]

Yes, but how about AVC-I? Quite another matter, and if you wanted to see any of it in the last couple of weeks, all you had to do was turn on the Vancouver Olympics.

[YTOneHump]

It has been a year since my last comments and AVC Intra indeed looks good. The only problem there is that it's not a consumer solution. That should change soon, but there's no P2 enabled solution currently available at the consumer level.

As for AVCHD vs DV, I'm afraid my claim of "another year or two" has turned into "two". Maybe next year?

[moproducer]

Agreed. I don't think AVCHD was ever really intended to be more than a consumer viewing format. I'm not so sure that AVC-I in its current state will make it to the consumer level, but maybe there'll be a dumbed-down version in the future.

50mb/s video for consumers might be hard to take...

[NoahASampsel]

Canons feed off of light. It doesnt matter anyway, you cant shoot in plain dark, thats why they have lighting for movies. AMAZING CAMERA, YOU GET A 3k dollar image for around 900 dollars! AMAZING!

[Pagilas]

Hi NoahASampsel, I'd like to ask you if CANON HV30 can do the focus/defocus effect of the subject and the background without the use of 35mm LETUS lens.

Can we also use the 35mm letus lens like that of CANON HV20?

I would appreciate your help.

[NoahASampsel]

Hey Pagilas, I'd love to help you out.

focusing and defocussing is all done with the focus wheel found on the left side of the camera. And to be honest with you you get a very shallow depth of field behind the subject you are focused on without an adapter. Save your money, you can always add the adapter look in editing, and yes you can mount the lens on the hv30 just like on the hv20. They arent much of a difference any way, the hv30 has 30p recording mode and the hv20 doesnt.

God Bless!

-Noah

[Pagilas]

Hi Noah. Thank you so much for the help.

So how do I add the adapter look in editing? What editing software should I use? I use SONY VEGAS. Would you recommend another one so I can achieve the adapter look?

(^v^)

[NoahASampsel]

Hey Pagilas. No problem. I use final cut studio 2 and final cut express for the mac, so I am not that familiar with pc based programs. I know that adobe premiere pro does have that effect where you can get an adapter look. What i would do is search "Vignetting in sony vegas" This adds the blurred darkened adapter look around the edges. If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to help.

-Noah

[dzpisx]

I use a normal camera and then add 24p later in Sony Vegas Pro 8. Then boost the contrast to make it look more like film.

When I record, I use the bluest white balance preset available. Like "tungsten"

[boredtodelusionFan]

Cutest Friggin Dog Imaginable.

[snawbel]

PAL version has 25p, NTSC version has 24p and 30p.

[SeanSennett94]

Hey umm i just got the hg10 that is AVCHD and its really hard to get it to stay at amazing quality putting it on youtube someone please help me what is easier also to get onto youtube, the HV30 or the HG10 videos?

[SeanSennett94]

How do you get the Vixia HV30 tapes converted to youtube? like on my HG10 The quality is low i dont get t why is it like this?

[slee1488]

I need help puting my HD videos on youtube. if the video is over 1gb then it can't be uploaded right?? what are settings for the rendering process

[subseeker]

Does NOT have 24P, it's 25P !!!!!!!! I should know, I have this camera. VERY poor usage in low light situations - do not buy this one.

[Fallanspel]

for real ? cuz im almost bying this camera ?

[CRAZYconTHEsk8er]

that was bull shit what he said. look it up, it DOES have 24p and does great in low light

[CRAZYconTHEsk8er]

aha, just keep telling yourself that buddy

[DudesonsSuomi22]

is this the best HD Camera in its price Range right now????

[jussi123456789]

Yes it is.

[lilbooza666]

it looks awsome, but it uses a mini tape! how do u upload the videos to computers n youtube n stuff....from your home?

[bealz]

Tape systems are still superior for image quality because everything else uses higher compression for storage. YOu get tapes online the same way you do any other media.

[braaandiT]

firewire and ilink

[AvoidTheParanoid]

I think you are confusing tape with analog. If you record something to tape it's just digital footage stored on a magnetic strip. So to get it on your pc you just plug it in preferably by firewire, and in some cases usb).

I also like tape way better than harddisks, with the compression that harddisk cameras use, you have to convert the footage before you can edit it in programs like adobe premiere, after effects etc. And conversion can decrease the quality.

[ShadowthChaos]

1394 firewire port

[Electroboxcar]

does this camera have a headphone/mic jack?

[boomerangfish27]

Yes, both.

[SamProof]

I'm assuming you can turn off that auto exposure that keep adjusting in the first clip with the dog?

[ndahlen44]

Could someone explain what the difference is between 24p, 30p and 60i? which one is preferable on a hi def camera?

[pgr2592]

24p is 23.976 frames per second, which is used in film and has progressive scanning(one frame for every frame shot) making it a nice picture. 60i is 60 frames per second(smoother) but uses interlaced interpolation which means for every frame it takes 2 pictures in half and puts them together to achieve motion. This can cause artifacts which are not preferable.

[aheartofblack]

you can see the difference at Canon's website..

[Gissur33]

Where in the hell did you get that black bird puppet? I want one!

[AMattDavidFilm]

Man, where am I going wrong. I got an HV30, and when I upload it to youtube, it looks like junk. What's your secret?!?

[Jashan17]

you're probably going wrong with the output file format. Try DivX, or just watch smpfilm's video "Sharper Videos on YouTube" or something like that.

[Ryguy1450]

Divx will give u ok quality, if you can convert your file to FLV format. U can use FFMPEGX converter if you have a mac (freeware) or just google freeware for your pc to convert video files.

[kithriel18]

MPEG4s are also good. (it's basically the same as DIVX. Some Windows media formats give good resolution as well, depending on what your options are in your editing program. It also depends on how big a file size you want it too, which affect loading time, etc. Basically, it all boils down to juggling resolution with compression, format, and file size. Finding the balance is up to you.

[Pallot]

Well, what type of camera you have doesnt have anything at all to do with youtube's quality

[gonnavi]

Well, when I resize and compress the video in divx using premiere, the output file is horrible. Now I just export on premiere with the resolution that I want and uncompressed, then i use virtualdub to compress into divx.

[Ryguy1450]

true, but garbage in garbage out. Quality material in, after compression looks ok. I think FLV shows up best for YT.

[AspirinXX]

is the tearing, which is in all three movies, because of the camera or beacause of youtube? you see it especially when this little puppet is shakeing.

[atakproductions]

I believe the tearing is caused by the fact that he used 24p and edited on a 60i timeline. I thought it would be worse than what I heard but it's not that bad. If he edited it on a program like Vegas 8 or Final Cut Pro, that would have eliminated that tearing.

[AspirinXX]

ok. thanks for the reply.

[jcassar313]

what is tearing??? im a lil new 2 dis but I know most things

[atakproductions]

The person by the name of AspirinXX down below explains it. But the tearing in this video is so minor, that, because you're still new to this, you'd barely notice it. People that's really into the technical aspects of video can really notice this.

[Jaysmellsbad]

what's tearing?

[AspirinXX]

tearing is when the picture is horizontaly splittet. you can see it in many games when the graphic unit is too weak.

[Jaysmellsbad]

Thank you very much! :D

[Jaysmellsbad]

Though, I can't see it myself!

[dannysuru]

hey dude sweet but..

why didnt you shoot in 30p if you wanted a motion test?

doesnt 30p shoot better than 24 for panning and moving while retaining the cinematic look??

[toasterdance]

You should probably look at the ones they did in 24P and 60i. Might help.

[toasterdance]

And 30P as well.

[Integr8d]

Depending on shutter speed, more or less strobing. But the video has no fast panning or tilting... Cinematic look is 10% frame rate and 90% lens selection and lighting. You can shoot IMAX in normal home lighting and it'll still look like home video -i.e. horrible;)

[dannysuru]

thats why I use a 35mm adapter a nikon lens and always in good lighting!or I post edit with color correction

[gambitrocks]

What are the differences between this and the HV20?

[atakproductions]

Nothing spectacular, just 30p, which they said was good for the web, a better lcd, and the fact that it's black.