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  • Amazing video showing how we are transformed by God!

  • GO WITH GOD!!

  • Wow. I got goosebumps watching this!!! Thanks:)

  • More of fairy tales. To burn in eternal burning, But God loves you. Very sad childish stories people believe.

  • i almos turned this off not a funny start

  • ConnorTMav2.......He definitely has it!

  • so true, i love this!

  • 227 people didn't watch the whole thing

  • You almost had it, but there is no hell in the primitive sense of thinking, only a downgrade from this dimension if you squander the opportunities presented in this one, but its not an eternity of suffering, its life with a little less freedom with easier opportunities to learn what we could not in our current lifetime. You've lived many lives already, and unless you transform yourself to become godlike, you will live many more until your inner discovery is made. Don't be afraid of afterlives.

  • @ConnorTMav2 I beg to differ. Do be very afraid of your afterlife if you do not have Christ in your heart. You really should do some soul searching. If you do not believe me and think I am incorrect, that is fine, but if that is the case, why don't you spend time studying the Bible and see what you come up with. Just have an open mind when you read it or you will be wasting your time. God won't give up on you. Look for Him with an open mind and see what you find.

  • @MsBreathany Live life without fear, it will only hold you down, you recommend to me the only the most mainstream source of knowledge. A source that has been translated multiple times before reaching the English language that you now communicate to me with. Inconvenient information has been removed from the bible because it did not fit with the Holy Roman Empire's agenda to keep people in control via fear of punishment for disobedience. Don't change your lifestyle, and I won't change mine.

  • That was amazing<3

    

  • It's a clever work of wordsmanship.

    But unlike a similar video, probably the one which inspired you, ir's wholly reliant upon straw men.

    This video would be so much more powerful if it were honest its portrayel of the initial proposition but could preserve the feeling of the second half.

  • Can u semd me this video?

  • @HanskoBanansko Hans I will send you a private message to find out more about the details.

  • The first part is so true the second part is bad now i must go back to THAT part of Youtube

  • Best video i have ever seen

  • @Jewett116 Thanks!

  • The first part of the video, i get.. the second part..? LAIM!!!! To think that we as a species are so important.. HA! I am thankfull for the fact, that i can live without the burden of religion. The world is what YOU make of IT! And the earth does not belong to God or us. But we belong to the earth. The earth an organism, which will be here, long time after god and humanity are gone...

  • I LOVE this video i show my whole entier class and they love it so much that they are showing the perants, grandperants, aunts, uncle's, and ect. i hope u can make more in the future i love it keep up the great work

  • -3

  • amazing

  • COOL! Praise GOD!! 

  • we will agree to disagree, your beliefs will guide you to a final outcome and mine will as well......I believe He is who He says He is. Good fortune to you my friend and I hope you find what this world is offering you.

  • if you don't get it you don't get it, let God be true and every man a liar........

  • In this video it says, " Until Christ OPENED MY EYES". For all the people who doubt, read the Bible, pray and you will see also.

  • this is a good video, it makes me wanna be a better person

  • Hmm. The video seems to be in the wrong order. I'm sure that will be fixed soon enough...

  • :20- 1:09 was sooo good....then it just lost me.

  • @ClintonC1991 it's just because you are lost.......

  • @ernie3nell no don't think it is that. It is that I find religion poising to the mind.

  • @ClintonC1991 I agree religion IS poisoning to the mind, people are not looking to the reason for Christianity(Jesus) they are looking for a system, and in that system religion exists.

  • @ernie3nell jesus is religion.... As much as I agree with some of his saying, he is fake.

  • @kightbry000 Retard.

  • I loved it till it went reverse >:( then it made absolutely no sense

  • Yeah sending someone to be Burned & Tortured in a Lake of Fire for TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLION & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLION & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS & TRILLIONS....of years on into INFINITY no matter how small or large the "sin" may be is ever so fair.

    What was I thinking?

  • @Urfullobull apparently you still don't know the gospel. It will come to sense.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    Apparently your Moral Compass ain't worth a shit if you follow an EVIL God who commits GENOCIDE and has commanded his people to do the same.

    Apparently you have NO concept of what fire feels like or what torture my entail nor have you any concept what-so-ever of ETERNITY.

    Apparently you don't Know Jack Shit about Ancient History, Mythology, The History of the writing of the Bible, The History of Your Religion much less ANY other Religion.

  • @Urfullobull and APPARENTLY you think you know me and you think that i dont know anything. And you think you know about this "evil" God. I'm sorry but your moral compass is telling you to be an ignorant moron.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    Sorry but you're a fucking MORON if you think any of the GENOCIDE in the Bible is justified in any way.

    Your an even Bigger MORON if you find Comfort & Justice in the concept of HELL

    You worship EVIL !!

    Carry on FUCKING IDIOT

  • @Urfullobull you know i used to think like that too. God sounds messed up huh? but really what do you know about God huh? I know the concept of hell. the fact of eternity, infinity and endless pain which is unimaginable and its freaking hard to grasp. I would think that's not fair. All you're doing is looking at the screwed up side but ignore the greater things.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    T screwed up side show how fallacious it it is.

    Look here Slick anyone that thinks HELL in ETERNITY is fair for any one no matter how small of large the "Sin" may be, has something SERIOUSLY Psychologicaly WRONG with them.

    You might also want consider Cracking open some ANCIENT HISTORY BOOKS.

    You might also want to explain why for THOUSANDS of years POLYTHEISM was predominate before MONOTHEISM was even thought of.

    You worship MYTHS.

    Grow the fuck up !!

  • @Urfullobull Grow the fuck up? Bro if anyone needs to grow up its you.

    Still going on about hell in eternity is fucked up. Yeah I got you I GOT IT.

    You would ask why would someone worship such a evil screwed up thing their stupid. EVER WONDERED WHY WE WOULD? instead of thinking theyre just stupid and ending with that. Ancient history? Yeah it might conflict with the bible alot but if you actually CRACKING open the BIBLE you'd see they would connect.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    You're also an IDIOT if you Believe a Magical Sky Daddy blew on some dirt to make a Man then waited til he went to sleep to extract one his ribs to make a Woman.

    You're also an IDIOT if you Believe in Talking Donkeys & Snakes, Witches, Chaledeans, Magi, Seers, Wizards, Magicians, Unicorns, Dragons, Sticks that turn into Snakes, 700 yr old Men and the list goes on of Supernatural Superstitious Garbage.

    Carry on Believing in Fairy Tales like some Child.

    MORON.

  • @Urfullobull I thought u were questioning God's judgement. Now its about reality and believing? Yeah it sounds superstitious and ridiculous. We sound uneducated and ignorant. The things you listed sound retarded already. Who are you to say that? Did you actually live back since humanity started? half of those were real back then anyway. 700 year old men? Sure that sounds outrageous but thats because today it never happens. It would sound totally bull if it wasn't about god.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "700 year old men?"

    There is NO evidence of there EVER being 700 yr old men...you do realize that by a close examination of skeletons one can determine the age that person died? OBVIOUSLY you don't.

    "It would sound totally bull if it wasn't about god.'

    Special Pleading with the "Godidit" Clause is Fallacious from the start with NO EVIDENCE of the even being a God or Gods.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "Did you actually live back since humanity started?"

    Niether did you but that gives you NO reason to say Godidit since ALL the EVIDENCE contradicts Fantasy & Magic.

    Get your IGNORANT ASS back into school Slick.

  • @Urfullobull i actually am at school. all im saying is you dont have a right to say that but niether do i. Yeah and you can rely on guessing how old a skeleton is. I aint the best Christian either man I dont know everything. You might say there is no evidence but that doesnt mean there is evidence that God doesnt exist. Complicated world here huh?

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "You would ask why would someone worship such a evil screwed up thing their stupid. EVER WONDERED WHY WE WOULD?"

    Yeah because YOU ARE IGNORANT & UNEDUCATED and motivated by the emotional appeal of Heaven & the Fear of HELL....and at some point your life sucked so much you were incappable of handling it and needed a Sky Daddy to make everything better, that and indocternation.

    Live in IGNORANCE, but for the sake of Humanity PLEASE quit spreading it.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    Here are a few prime examples of where the Bible doesn't jive with History.

    1.The Genesis account

    2. Noah's Ark

    3.Exodus

    4. Jesus

    NOT a single one of those sync up with History by ANY Evidence what-so-ever.

    They're all MYTHS and I garrantee you YOU or NO one else can provide collaberating VERAFIABLE **EVIDENCE** to back up those Bibical Claims

  • @Urfullobull The genesis account. History never said anything about the creation of man did it? Would history have ever mattered in the beginning? Youre right theres not much evidence of any of this rather than biblical claims. The thing is. You can look at the bible as some holy book or religious book. But it is also history. Not the history of the whole world and every nation but the history from man to Jesus.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "The genesis account. History never said anything about the creation of man did it?"

    let me say this AGAIN History does NOT line up with Genesis in NO WAY SHAPE MANNER OR FORM.

    "Not the history of the whole world and every nation but the history from man to Jesus."

    BULLSHIT it's MADE UP HISTORY.

    Like I said GET YOUR IGNORANT ASS BACK INTO SCHOOL!

  • @Urfullobull man id love to debate to you more and more about this. but obviously we're both gonna be ignorant about what we believe in if were arguing online. Without seeing or hearing the person talking to you our perspectives revolve mostly around ourselves. Nothing whether what i say or what you say will influence one another. And from where I am its late. I still am at school and youre being the ass here really -_-

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    You still haven't explained why POLYTHEISM was predominate for THOUSANDS of yrs before MONOTHEISM was INVENTED.

    You might want to also explain why the first Bibical writings started slightly under 1200 years before Jesus' supposed Birth.

    You don't know Jack Shit about History.

    Continue to Believe in Ancient Myths...just quit spreading the shit around.

    Because of you ilk Science has been set back by at least 1000 yrs.

    Enough is fucking enough !!

  • @Urfullobull The bible has the explanation for polytheism and Monotheism. its not that monotheism was INVENTED. Many passages in the bible show people who believed in many other gods and deitys. Its just that it was less popular. Biblical writings started before Jesus's birth yes. Because Jesus's birth is in the new testament. The bible did not just come all after Jesus. Its basically a history book. People were writing about God obviously. The history from man to Jesus

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "The bible has the explanation for polytheism and Monotheism"

    Ah the good ole "The Bible says" defense...problem is ONCE again HISTORY contradicts the BIBLE and like I just told you, the 1st Bible writings didn't occur until aprox 1200 yrs before Jesus' supposed birth therefore making what the "Bible Says" about POLYTHEISM INVALID.

    That's the problem with you guys...you all don't think these things through.

    "The bible did not just come all after Jesus"

    Duh!

  • @Urfullobull omg fucking ass I aint gonna repeat something you missed in my comment. the first bible writings occured way before that anyway. i dont know what crappy history site or book youre reading off of but you gotta look for better sources. Im tired and i dont want some wannabe smartass who misses the details and still revolves everything thats said around his head into his liking and his own perspective. maybe next time cuz im gonna sleep

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "i dont know what crappy history site or book youre reading off of but you gotta look for better sources."

    I have a degree in Ancient History...I'm NOT gleaning stuff off of web sites.

    Like I say.....STUDY HISTORY!!!!!!

  • @Urfullobull shut the fuck up faggot

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    Oh,profanity and now I've been reduced to faggot huh?

    How wonderfully Christian of you.Your Sky Daddy is Proud of you.

    ROTFLMFAO...

    Carry on with your childish beliefs of Dirt Men, Rib Women, TALKING DONKEYS & SNAKES.

    Enjoy being an IGNORANT **Super Dumb Fuck** MORON.

  • @Urfullobull i already told you im not the best christian. And im just being straight up real not some fake goody goody guy. Getting notifications from you its getting fucking annoying.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "Getting notifications from you its getting fucking annoying."

    Then DO NOT Respond back and I won't write back.

    It doesn't get much simpler than that.

    BTW...stay in School and also take Ancient History maybe some Psychology courses also.

    I say Psychology NOT to be ridiculing but for the purpose of you finding out why people believe things and also why they believe they feel the Holy Spirit etc...

  • @Urfullobull I aint some history major but i know well enough. Quit spreadin shit around? One of the reasons we spread this shit around was because of your very first questions. Science been set back by 1000 years? man I know science will not go that far whether there was religion or not because people believe more in morals than religion. most scientific possibilities are halted because they are considered unethical. Not unreligious.

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "most scientific possibilities are halted because they are considered unethical. Not unreligious."

    Yeah it's unethical to say the Earth rotates around the Sun.(Galileo)

    Yeah it's unethical to do autopsies to discover anatomy.

    Airplanes automobiles & trains are also unethical.

    Space travel is unethical.

    And the list of your IGNORANT ILLOGICAL crap goes on & on & knows NO bounds

  • @MrScrewallhaters

    "I aint some history major but i know well enough"

    I am...that was my Major....that's why I KNOW better and MORE than you.

    "I aint some history major but i know well enough'

    NO you DON'T if you did you wouldn't be here talking out of your ass.

  • I'm performing this as a monologue for my Drama AS Exams

  • @EmileHeskeyIsbeast That is great Emily! God Bless your performance!

  • @DeoVolenteMedia My name is not Emily, it's Emile Heskey, he is a football player lol

  • @EmileHeskeyIsbeast Well good luck to you nameless Football fan. :)

  • Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg

  • If it wasnt for my friend who showed me ths, i wouldve dropped out of HS. But now look at me, im a graduate and about to start college. What else could i ask for?

  • @gabinel2 So do i :')

  • I cry each time i watch this :')

  • i have no idea wat most of those words ment i just came here to see the top comment that mr pregnant made

  • giliolleces

  • -watches first part- THANK YOU...-starts talking about god- buzzkill....=.=

  • This is so true. We all need God :3

  • I've never seen a debate on the existence of thoughts.

  • @mrpregnant lols, why you so cool mr pregnant?

  • @MrEKIM96 He's Youtube famous..

  • Ive seen these before, and they're usually more creative, this one is saying basically the same thing only the first run through it was sarcastic and realistic and the second one is serious.

  • Cool! This is the best video ever! They're not even trying to hide the fact that they are twisting the process of thinking. It's in the freakin' title!! :D

    Bravo, bravo indeed!

  • The freedom is knowing that God gives you the freewill and loves you regardless of how you use it.

  • @oliverneet then you are like the older brother, anyone can come to the table of the lord the abused and the abusers if they truly repent, David wept for mercy at the feet of god for sleeping with bathsheeba, i've known drug dealers come to faith and I'm so happy that they have, he doesn't go to heaven for saying a quick prayer for forgiveness he goes to heaven if the lord has forgiven him

  • @oliverneet I was an idiot for the amount of time I spent before I was saved, I call him an idiot because I love him enough to care about where he goes without regard of his views, the bible calls many people fools and if you disregard the love for weakness then you are heading straight for wrath

  • i pray to unknown creator of universe bless my food. i can't narrow it down to jesus of nazareth seems too specific. i do good and love my neighbor as myself. why did jesus have to die for our sins and suffer couldn't he just say alright pray and your forgiven no more killing sheep. i was raised christian. what what. you guys all say its faith, i can't put my faith into something i don't understand and no one does. maybe im wrong or overthinking it but i have seen miracles everyday, love life

  • Can I get a what what from all the Athiests on this video?

  • Ok, most of the negative comments have been saying "well I don't believe in a god" or "I don't want to be watched by a god", but this isn't "a god" we're talking about, this is God. I hope some of you will realize one day the difference between the two.

  • It makes me simultaneously angry and sad, to know that I cannot save you from your ignorance. Religion is the disease that impedes humanity's success.

  • @FDXHOMEDEL haters gone hate.

  • @FDXHOMEDEL Right back at ya. It makes me simultaneously angry and sad that i cannot save you from your ignorance. Humanity is the disease and dont think of christianity as a religion

  • @MrScrewallhaters christians shouldn't hate haters but love them. haha but yeah what i like about life is an aetheist and a christian can sit on a bench feed the birds enjoy the same sights and sounds without anything else, above all enjoy life thats concrete

  • A good friend sent this through to me. I'm still an atheist and feel no guilt or shame adn I'm quite happy living my life without feeling I'm being watched by a god.

  • This is the best YouTube video ever, I hope everyone gets a chance see this!!!

  • awesome just awesome

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  • :) thank you

  • :) thank you

  • Wow! What a great message. Thank you for sharing that. I am going to pass it on.

  • Our church bought this. Thanks so much!

  • @CitizenGKar01 Thank you for supporting us!

  • Wow indeed; indeed Wow!!!!!

  • Wow to all those preferring the first half.

    Obviously you people just don't WANT to believe in God.

    You guys just want to live the way you like. Yeah i understand, i would too.

    But i assure you, you are making a big mistake.

  • @MrScrewallhaters you don't assure me you believe you are making the right choice. whatever floats your boat. but you can't say you assure me without proper assurance and faith and text don't count. the bible a great piece of literature perhaps the best,

  • I LOVE LOVE THIS MESSAGE!!!

  • With God the freedom to be who you are? And what for people who happend to be gay?

    First half for me.

    Oh, and life doesn't need to have a meaning. It's not that we are so important or something. I have accepted that I don't need to be here for a reason, and that I will be gone at the end. I would call that freedom.

  • @BANDINTEXAS idiot

  • @stepharnos love your neighbor as thyself. would you wanna be called an idiot for your opinion of christianity, live your life bro, they say don't judge christianity by christians but wow reevaluate yourselves.

  • So bad. What a hack. I say play it forwards then press stop and smile because life is good.

  • @BANDINTEXAS its still the same idiot

  • do it backwards THEN forwards and thats me

  • I liked the first half better

  • @MrRomanmaster7 umm why?

  • ...since a corrupt judge would never render perfect judgement, and he must be omnipotent, ensuring that his justice is enacted. Without an absolute ethical norm (given by the Perfect Judge), morality is reduced to mere preference and the world is a jungle where might makes right.

  • @Emmadilemma95

    The world *IS* a jungle where might makes right, from microbes to whales, the strong rule...

    The only creature in nature that fights against this obvious fact of nature... is Humanity. It is our advanced social system of ethics, that we've developed over many millenia, that's allowed us to prosper as well as we have.

  • No matter what everyone else says in response to this video....it is an amazing thing. God fills a hole in your heart and life that can not be filled by anything else. Everyone searches for a god, whether it is in money, relationships, etc. People need to worship something, because that is how they are created. Without God, there is no true justice. Since justice does not work itself out perfectly in this world, ther must be a perfect Judge who is morally blameless...

  • i dont like it.... I LOVE IT!!!!!!

  • watch my cool reverse video

  • I see that you have allowed yourself to have this belief in god, and I respect you as an equal human being despite the diffrance within us as mind. As within my mind I see that to believe in a god or not to believe in a god is irrelavant, and that empowerment comes from life as breathe not from the mind as belief. I'm not to say you're wrong or even that I'm right. Weither I bless you or you bless me, love or hate. Were both here and we'll both walk our own pathes that we've laid out for ourself

  • @Machew4Life damn straight to each is own

  • LIVE LOVE

    

  • HAIL SATAN!

  • Line unit palindrome poem! I love! Very beautiful, very true, thank you for spending the time to make it =)

  • I too have been saved, healed, spiritually cleansed. It happened 2 days ago. There will be some who find their way after this poem, some who find heir way and wait until they hit rock bottom, and some who dont ever find their way to God :(. This is real and beautiful! Appreciate the upload. Be blessed and #GodIsGr8ness

  • This is amazing! Way to be. God bless you and this beautiful message 

  • THIS VIDEO IS SO GOOD!

  • @majorboy12345 Thanks!

  • christians strike back huh? ; )

  • Indoctrination at its best

  • Are pastor usead this today in his sermon it is a very powerful message. Love it!

  • Life is meaningless... That's why it is so awesome. 

  • Very cool idea to spread an amazing belief.

  • @roofdoubleflip Thank you for watching the video and taking the time to comment. I'm happy to be dumb enough to believe this, however I don't think I deserve it. I wish you the best in your endeavors and hope that you find happiness and peace in all you do.

  • @DeoVolenteMedia u sir r amzing u did a great job have u ever heard of GUNGOR it is a cristian band look up dry bones gungor or cannot keep you

  • @DeoVolenteMedia

    That is so passive-aggressive from you. :)

    I know religions usually don't encourage having a personal attitude towards stuff, but, dude (or dudette), stand-up for what you believe in! I don't mean that you should be rude or aggressive, but show some self-respect.

  • Brings tears to my eyes everytime I watch it. What a baeutiful way to describe what God does in our lives. This is one of my favorite videos. May the Lord bless you and keep you and make His face to shine upon you!

  • I really like it. Watch lost generation.

  • listen, without God, u wouldnt be here. I watched the whole vid tho and its pretty cewl. JUST SAYIN lol

  • @flyff160 There's a couple billion humans who existed before the concept of god who would beg to differ.

  • We are the all singing all dancing crap of the world

  • Oh My God!

  • Mmm. Mmm. A gut wrenching emm. Awesome.

  • What a pity... he had it right the first time.

    Going backwards is the opposite of progress.

  • @bozzutoman well, if that is what you think, WHY IN THE WORLD ARE YOU WATCHING THIS VIDEO!

  • @BlueGirlHaley — Why would you ask such a silly question?

    I had to watch the video so that i would, 1) know what it's about, 2) evaluate the content, 3) make a comment.

    I'm seriously amazed that you don't understand such a simple example of see/think/say. This kind of stuff is elementary even for little children.

  • @bozzutoman well excuse me for asking! fyi, i have a strong belief in God. i am just asking why you would put such a terrible thing online for everyone to see. my point is, why are you watching a video about God if u dont believe and/or care about Him. i am sorry, i wasn't being tolerant, say what ever you want. okay? besides, everyone has an opinion, why shouldn't you? thank you for replying to me. God bless you. :-)

  • @BlueGirlHaley — The title is "Reverse Thinking" not "Only Watch This If You Believe In God". Like I said before, I had to watch it BEFORE I could know what the title was referring to. As it turns out, the narrator, reading forward, was saying rational things, and in reverse, being irrational. So I made a comment pointing out that observation. Then your aggressive ALL-CAPS interrogative response set the tone of my reply.

    Now, pray tell why *your* belief should affect *my* commentary?

  • @bozzutoman i just agreed with u i was wrong and stupid. u r right! how should u know? i told u my belief so u would know that comment might b offending to me. (obviously) sorry i even started this. besides, ur reply helped me c i was being intolerant. i am sorry, again. i just felt that ur comment was unnecessary. my comment wasn't needed either. sorry. u have a right to say what u want.

  • @BlueGirlHaley — I understand. No problems. Peace.

  • @bozzutoman i am glad we are over this confusing mishap, thank you.

  • @bozzutoman could you explain why, in your opinion, this video is rational going forward and irrational in reverse?

  • @vmfaquila — Certainly.

    Going forward, it conveys a reasonable thought process, despite the author making a silly strawman fallacy about materialism.

    In reverse, it conveys a irrational series of unsupported assumptions about existence. Worst of all it says that "with God I have the freedom to be who I want to be"... which is patently FALSE. The fundamental message of God is "obey me or suffer" which is the very antithesis of freedom.

  • @bozzutoman

    I agree with your first statement, it does convey a reasonable thought process. However, what if I did think all of these things, what would prevent me from commiting generic "immoral" or "wrong" acts?

    If you have read the bible, or any text in relation to God creating the universe,

    you would have found that one of the first things God gives to man is freewill.

  • @vmfaquila

    It seems to me that in this poem when stated, " with God I have the freedom to be who I want to be" the author was thinking of freedom in more of his/her personallity. In other words, he/she is free to act and say what he/she wants without having to worry about be ing accepted by people.

  • @vmfaquila — With God, one does not have the freedom to conflict with or speak against God's policies. If they do, they are in rebellion, and are grouped in with the wicked.

    So no there is no freedom if one is "with God".

  • @bozzutoman God has given man the freedom to do these things: to decide for ourselves what is true.

  • @vmfaquila — What is a "generic immoral or wrong act"?

    Free will is NOT the same thing as freedom. If a thug demands I either give him my wallet or be shot, the decision I make will be of my own free will... but I was denied my freedom by being forced to make the choice. This is exactly what God's "Live my way or go to hell" option is... a coerced dilemma where either choice is undesirable.

  • @bozzutoman Unethical behavior: no moral principles.

    For both choices to be undiesrable, "Live my way or go to hell", I think you have to know as much as possible aout each of the choices given.

  • @vmfaquila — Unethical compared to what? Let me guess... the "moral" standard promulgated in the Bible... an old book of stories written by barbarians.

    I already know far more than is necessary to assess what is undesirable.. and both ends are horrible.

  • Good work, well done.